Don't forget, Adric's supposed to be a teenager when we were all annoying at some point or another. You may argue that it was a relief he was written but it's how that's the tragic part
I actually really liked the Adric character. He was more competent than most companions. The acting was fine too. Even if the actor was one dimensional (not sure if he really was or not) and did not really adapt from his own personality it doesn't matter. As long as we only see one famous role and he fits the role it still works as well or better than even a very talented character actor might do. Still one of my favorite companions.
The hating the "boy genius" comment is just plain rude. I've been watching a lot of Classic Who recently, and I actually thought Adric was a very good companion. Also, Luke Smith from The Sarah Jane Adventures is a beloved character and he's a boy genius too.
@@halfmoonrisin I get what you mean, but Jo Grant is so lovable, and to a degree Jamie McCrimmon fits that mold, he's a man of action but not the smartest of companions. It's definitely a breath of fresh air to get a companion like Zoe, Romana, or Adric who don't need explanations from the Doctor, but I just can't dislike the "dopey" characters
It's Moffat and especially a Moffat pre-showrunner. He is rude, frequently, and has a tone of arrogance. Same guy who went on record talking about how much of a "hack" Robert Holmes was and how he thought Doctor Who was a bit crap. Welcome to his opinions but given his career and again that tone, he doesn't come across well.
The 'he wasn't an actor' comment we could mirror with Moffatt 'being a writer' but it never stopped Moffatt! Tom Baker said many times in interviews that he never played The Doctor but instead played himself. Dr Who wasn't an actors series as such (I don't watch the new versions, as like most, I stopped watching British terrestrial drama tv years ago, and instead enjoy my firestick). Most of the time we had to use our imaginations to paper over what wasn't present but could have been present if the BBC didn't just see it as a kids programme and worse a programme outside primetime. We all have strong opinions but Moffatt doesn't seem to care how his comments would be taken by Matt. I notice that many writers and producers are overly opinionated and narcissistic and think their way is the only way but there's often a fundamental missing element in many arguments that often reside beneath surfaces; it's my opinion that 'something separate' feeds this attack on Adric and on Matt and see it in action now and again and often happens to young male performers; another example comes to mind is Sam Smith, who was also attacked; I don't mean in regards to sexuality (although for some that may be linked) but there's a core unconscious fear within those who attack who mask it with excuses as to why the character or actor didn't work. Adric was a great idea if it had been handled better by the production team; his age was similar to the age of many in the audience; if the series had been American they would have seen a massive plus factor which would and should have elevated the series and audience; again if handled well. In the early part of the above video Moffat's attack on 'boy geniuses' is an example of narrowed minded thinking, as well as other factors; such as I don't like 'boy geniuses' so I'm going to convince the audience and powers that be that they too don't like them but we only have to look at Harry Potter to see that audiences do like 'boy geniuses' in their billions. Be careful listening to the opinions of writers, or from anyone, as they will, more often than not, be fuelled by quite natural problems in their own psychologies.
People forget that kids are part of the Doctor Who audience. I was 6 when I saw Earthshock and really liked and wanted to emulate Adric. The "bad acting" comment struck me as odd. Going back and watching these shows again, it's not like the other actors are consistently head and shoulders above Adric in that regard lol.
You know, I thought Adric was alright in season 18. Then in _Four to Doomsday_ somebody thought "he was an urchin once, so that's all that should define him" and he became a terrible companion. It was a terrible character expansion strategy because it countered any of the prior character development. While Adric did kind of recover after _Four to Doomsday_ he didn't recover quickly enough, and only became as likeable as he used to be by _Earthshock_
Four to doomsday is what I like to call the start of "Lets make Adric stupid" trilogy. Peter was pushing the Sarah Sutton character and to build up the naive but intelligent young girl they had to tear down the smarter streetwise boy.
I liked Adric, and I liked Wesley Crusher, I never understood as I aged why people held contempt for them and then two older lesbians I overheard at a convention just plainly said, the only reason men don't like Wesley is jealousy, the character makes them feel inadequate and I think they were right. As young kids we are more easily inspired and are full of hope but for some as they age , not becoming a genius is a big source of insecurity. I am glad I never learned to think like that and that I have grown up quite comfortable with myself, perhaps it was because I had Adric and Wesley as role models where they had nobody.
At least he will go down as the one most tragic (to the Doctor, at least, not necessarily all the fandom, lol) losses and failures the Doctor has ever experienced. Always found it funny how almost every show runner/writer hates him, yet even in the 60th his death is brought up as an important part of the Doctor's history.
He shouldn't have been a hated character. he was prideful with reason, everything he boasted he could back up. he was extremely smart, loyal and capable. He complained only when he had reason to; the doctor DID treat him with less respect than the others from the beginning to the end after all; and his death was absolutely tragic. I'm a 27 year old woman and I ugly cried when I saw Adric's death, and still tear up thinking of how his adventure is over and he never saw his potential. He was one of the best characters in the series, old or new.
What are they talking about? Adric was a brilliant actor and is even 10 times better today in 2023. I heard a lot about him being annoying as a companion being a young know it all, but I never once heard he was a bad actor. Strange video.
Wish they'd blasted tegan instead... actually in all seriousness adric probably worked better with tom and I'm glad peter saved nyssa from getting the chop. Plus it made it a brilliant story.
I always thought they got it the wrong way round - Adric's brother... forget his name... in.. forget the name of the story too.. was a more interesting character, somewhat roguish, could have been a sort of Artful Dodger figure as a companion.
SPOILERS Adric was the third companion to actually died (I think). The first 2 being Katarina and Sara Kingdom, both being companions of the first doctor.
adric was meant to be a rogue but lack of acting skill made him come across as a meek and whiny kid. if he was a better actor, i could see the writers having the black guardian corrupt him totally and have adric try to kill the Doctor. Instead turlough was written in to do that.
"We HATE boy geniuses"! Really, Moffat? What about Tao in Mysterious Cities of Gold? He's animated, but a Boy Genius sure enough, and he never irritated anybody as far as I know.
I don't understand why everyone hated Wesley Crusher. In Star Trek: The Next Generation, he got poorly treated by Captain Picard whom kept telling him to "shut up" and Picard didn't always get along with him. I believe Picard resented Wesley because he was in love with his mother Dr. Crusher. But, Dr. Crusher married Wesley's father and Wesley was born.
Oddly that the showrunners admitted that they were the one's who didn't know hw to develop Matthew Waterhouse's Adric character. The showrunners for the end of Tom Baker's and the beginning of Peter Davidson's turn as Doctor Who are the one's fans of the series should direct their hatred towards. The Doctor's 25th companion could have been so much more and they let Matthew and his fans down by writing him as whiny and the god Awful outfit too! It wasn't Matthews age or acting skills it was POOR WRITING!
@@dazzle1545 I understand your objections to Adric not being a fit with Davidson's Doctor but I strongly disagree with you the writers failed Adric character but changing him from a young rebel warrior whose thirst for knowledge made him stowaway on the Tardis, to a whinny younger like sibling for Davidson's Doctor.
@@halfmoonrisin From what I watch if you compare the Adric of the Baker era to Davidson, the Baker Adric saw knowledgible in many of the sciences, was streetwise and that was changed to someone who just knew math and was whiny and less intlligent than Nyssa. But if yousee them in Keeper of Traken and Logopolis he a couple of level s above her. He is also not so much a male chauvinist as an elitist. Like Romana 1 he looked at almost everyone as an intellectual inferior other than the doctor, Romana and Nyssa
@@dazzle1545 Thanks for reply. I agree Adric should consider many of the companions were intellectually inferior to Adric. If you remember Adric was one of the few companions who could pilot the Tardis. Nyssa was from a advanced society true but her character was easily spooked. I just think the Adric companion that was brazen enough to stowaway aboard the Tardis with Baker's Doctor after Baker's regeneration into Davidson's Doctor Adric's character was drastically changed into a whiny know it all companion and that was the writers fault.
Please. It wasn't Adric it was Matthew Waterhouse. 18 year old smartypants, tried to tell Tom Baker how to act. Everyone despised him. Lalla Ward, Janet Fielding. And even Sarah Sutton slapped him once LOL. It was most likely John Nathan-Turner that kept him in for so long.
I believe Peter, who I love, is lying; I also believe Eric is lying; I think both wanted Adric to go in what is one of the worst choices the original series ever made; having two girls who don't really work well with the Doctor or the idea of new ideas and different kind of characters for the show stay while the one freshest to the premise of over 19 years go, the one who was the most realistic and most impressive. Sad. Davison just wanted a companion who wasn't as interesting as his Doctor and Adric was similar to his own Doctor so....and Saward never had Adric right as his time as script editor, turning him from season 18's bright, interested and questioning about the universes into someone who was always in trouble and less intelligent than Nyssa. Clearly they ruined the show with that move. And others they would soon make.
It's fantastic to hear someone who was a lifelong fan and once a showrunner criticise Matthew Waterhouse's acting - it WAS dreadful and big a part of why I tired of him instantly and never liked the character. Seeing through to the harsh truth helps with the pursuit of quality, years of watching phoned-in appearances must've driven his pursuit of quality when it was his chance to make Doctor Who.
Yep glad the awful Moffat era will die, far into the future when they make another Doctor Who DVD documentary, we will look back on how Moffat ruined the show and lessened it's modern popularity and relevance. I wonder if they will show him, the same contempt they gave to poor old Adric...
Of all the companions, Adric was the absolute worst, the most unlikeable, the least good at acting, and he ruined by dreams of being with Nyssa. Bloody brilliant way for him to go.
I never liked him because his dialog was kinda lame.. like if the doctor said said something to him he’d just repeat what the doctor said.. didn’t really contribute much the to the conversation
Yeah, big boy Moffat was so self confident in what people wanted and didn't want to see that he just plainly shat on the series with fucking Clara Oswald, piece of junk of a character (with terrible unlikeable actress - gimme drunk Waterhouse any day) that totally killed any momentum Capaldi could've had and lead his era to the rotten mess it turned into. Done great things, but thought too much of himself to just leave when it was proper. RTD saved the show, Moffat put it back on track to fail again...
A shame Adric was such a disliked character. His death in "Earthshock" was tragic.
Daniel Williamson I CRIED FOR 2 HOURS BECAUSE OF THAT!!!!!!
@@WhovianSentaiRiderFan I don't blame you.
Don't forget, Adric's supposed to be a teenager when we were all annoying at some point or another. You may argue that it was a relief he was written but it's how that's the tragic part
I actually really liked the Adric character. He was more competent than most companions. The acting was fine too. Even if the actor was one dimensional (not sure if he really was or not) and did not really adapt from his own personality it doesn't matter. As long as we only see one famous role and he fits the role it still works as well or better than even a very talented character actor might do. Still one of my favorite companions.
It’s new to me that Adric was hated. Mind you, I was like, 7 years old at the time I watched these episodes. I rather quite liked him.
There was a segment of fandom that pushed the Hate adric movement. and it become almost required of fans to hate him.
But... I... I thought Adric was great
Kirsty Taylor So did I
Adric was good. I think he was a misunderstood character due to fan's hatred. I never hated Adric.
Jealous adults at the time.
I CRIED FOR 2 HOURS BECAUSE OF ADRIC'S DEATH!!!!!
The hating the "boy genius" comment is just plain rude. I've been watching a lot of Classic Who recently, and I actually thought Adric was a very good companion. Also, Luke Smith from The Sarah Jane Adventures is a beloved character and he's a boy genius too.
I love seeing a assertive and intelligent companion. I do not like the dopey companions that need a explanation by the Doctor for almost everything.
That is a fair point
@@halfmoonrisin I get what you mean, but Jo Grant is so lovable, and to a degree Jamie McCrimmon fits that mold, he's a man of action but not the smartest of companions. It's definitely a breath of fresh air to get a companion like Zoe, Romana, or Adric who don't need explanations from the Doctor, but I just can't dislike the "dopey" characters
It's Moffat and especially a Moffat pre-showrunner. He is rude, frequently, and has a tone of arrogance. Same guy who went on record talking about how much of a "hack" Robert Holmes was and how he thought Doctor Who was a bit crap. Welcome to his opinions but given his career and again that tone, he doesn't come across well.
The 'he wasn't an actor' comment we could mirror with Moffatt 'being a writer' but it never stopped Moffatt! Tom Baker said many times in interviews that he never played The Doctor but instead played himself. Dr Who wasn't an actors series as such (I don't watch the new versions, as like most, I stopped watching British terrestrial drama tv years ago, and instead enjoy my firestick). Most of the time we had to use our imaginations to paper over what wasn't present but could have been present if the BBC didn't just see it as a kids programme and worse a programme outside primetime. We all have strong opinions but Moffatt doesn't seem to care how his comments would be taken by Matt. I notice that many writers and producers are overly opinionated and narcissistic and think their way is the only way but there's often a fundamental missing element in many arguments that often reside beneath surfaces; it's my opinion that 'something separate' feeds this attack on Adric and on Matt and see it in action now and again and often happens to young male performers; another example comes to mind is Sam Smith, who was also attacked; I don't mean in regards to sexuality (although for some that may be linked) but there's a core unconscious fear within those who attack who mask it with excuses as to why the character or actor didn't work. Adric was a great idea if it had been handled better by the production team; his age was similar to the age of many in the audience; if the series had been American they would have seen a massive plus factor which would and should have elevated the series and audience; again if handled well. In the early part of the above video Moffat's attack on 'boy geniuses' is an example of narrowed minded thinking, as well as other factors; such as I don't like 'boy geniuses' so I'm going to convince the audience and powers that be that they too don't like them but we only have to look at Harry Potter to see that audiences do like 'boy geniuses' in their billions. Be careful listening to the opinions of writers, or from anyone, as they will, more often than not, be fuelled by quite natural problems in their own psychologies.
Seeing Moffat young is weird
That was a little harsh.
He was adored by many then and is still fondly remembered
The theory is that the 10th doctor returned to save Adric during his Timelord Victorious phase.
You know it's bad when Steven "Everybody Lives" Moffat is praising the death of a character
Moffatt you created Rory and Adric would kick his butt
The first time, but Rory would come back to life and learn.
People forget that kids are part of the Doctor Who audience. I was 6 when I saw Earthshock and really liked and wanted to emulate Adric. The "bad acting" comment struck me as odd. Going back and watching these shows again, it's not like the other actors are consistently head and shoulders above Adric in that regard lol.
You know, I thought Adric was alright in season 18.
Then in _Four to Doomsday_ somebody thought "he was an urchin once, so that's all that should define him" and he became a terrible companion. It was a terrible character expansion strategy because it countered any of the prior character development. While Adric did kind of recover after _Four to Doomsday_ he didn't recover quickly enough, and only became as likeable as he used to be by _Earthshock_
Four to doomsday is what I like to call the start of "Lets make Adric stupid" trilogy. Peter was pushing the Sarah Sutton character and to build up the naive but intelligent young girl they had to tear down the smarter streetwise boy.
Wonder if Moffat's changed his mind? Adric's death is such an important moment for the Doctor.
Resurrect Adric. The campaign starts here!
RESURRECT ADRIC! Idk how they would do it but get it done!
@@Vividiot He did come back for a Big Finish. Something to do with a parallel universe universe version I think.
where was this?? Where can i find this?? @@martinwood744
“We were finding it difficult to develop and expand the character” bullshit I can think of three ways right off the bat
I liked Adric, and I liked Wesley Crusher, I never understood as I aged why people held contempt for them and then two older lesbians I overheard at a convention just plainly said, the only reason men don't like Wesley is jealousy, the character makes them feel inadequate and I think they were right. As young kids we are more easily inspired and are full of hope but for some as they age , not becoming a genius is a big source of insecurity. I am glad I never learned to think like that and that I have grown up quite comfortable with myself, perhaps it was because I had Adric and Wesley as role models where they had nobody.
I liked Adric but Wesley Crusher was annoying. I don't dislike him like the rest of fandom. I dislike him because they did nothing with him.
At least he will go down as the one most tragic (to the Doctor, at least, not necessarily all the fandom, lol) losses and failures the Doctor has ever experienced. Always found it funny how almost every show runner/writer hates him, yet even in the 60th his death is brought up as an important part of the Doctor's history.
Great respect for this man.
At least Adric make a good last impression
He shouldn't have been a hated character. he was prideful with reason, everything he boasted he could back up. he was extremely smart, loyal and capable. He complained only when he had reason to; the doctor DID treat him with less respect than the others from the beginning to the end after all; and his death was absolutely tragic. I'm a 27 year old woman and I ugly cried when I saw Adric's death, and still tear up thinking of how his adventure is over and he never saw his potential. He was one of the best characters in the series, old or new.
No Adrick was the best
What are they talking about? Adric was a brilliant actor and is even 10 times better today in 2023. I heard a lot about him being annoying as a companion being a young know it all, but I never once heard he was a bad actor. Strange video.
They are so bloody rude, wow 😧😒
Wish they'd blasted tegan instead... actually in all seriousness adric probably worked better with tom and I'm glad peter saved nyssa from getting the chop. Plus it made it a brilliant story.
i knew you were going to say that.
Who says you had to "develop his character"? Did Nyssa "develop"? Romana? Besides, isn't that what writers do?
Can you upload the rest of this?
Legodaleks Nu-hu is doctor who
get used to it.
I always thought they got it the wrong way round - Adric's brother... forget his name... in.. forget the name of the story too.. was a more interesting character, somewhat roguish, could have been a sort of Artful Dodger figure as a companion.
SPOILERS
Adric was the third companion to actually died (I think). The first 2 being Katarina and Sara Kingdom, both being companions of the first doctor.
So, no one likes an irritating boy genius? Nonsense. Two words: Sheldon Cooper. Now there would be a companion!
Wow, Moffat is so young here! What year was this?
I think it was 2003 because the DVD that features this documentary also features a 40th Anniversary tribute video.
@@LunarPictures what DVD?
@@agmor1 Earthshock.
@@LunarPictures Thanks.
Throttled by Tom Baker irl was my bet
How...he left during Peter Davidsons time
@@saquist well not on set
adric was meant to be a rogue but lack of acting skill made him come across as a meek and whiny kid. if he was a better actor, i could see the writers having the black guardian corrupt him totally and have adric try to kill the Doctor. Instead turlough was written in to do that.
Kids generally dislike watching other kids and think the adults/older kids are more interesting.
In this case, I think Moffat is spot on about Adric.
I absolutely agree, 110%.
What's the documentary?
I believe it's called 'The Boy with the Golden Star' and is on the Warrior's Gate DVD (I think)
"We HATE boy geniuses"! Really, Moffat? What about Tao in Mysterious Cities of Gold? He's animated, but a Boy Genius sure enough, and he never irritated anybody as far as I know.
He may had also referred to Wesley Crusher.
I don't understand why everyone hated Wesley Crusher. In Star Trek: The Next Generation, he got poorly treated by Captain Picard whom kept telling him to "shut up" and Picard didn't always get along with him. I believe Picard resented Wesley because he was in love with his mother Dr. Crusher. But, Dr. Crusher married Wesley's father and Wesley was born.
@@danielwilliamson6180 I do understand Wesley or for that matter Will Robinson
the difference is adric had flaws
Wow, great reference. I don't know many people who know that show.
Or Harry Potter!
Yeah moffat and we hate the impossible girl (clara)
He was OK but agree with Moffat. He wasn’t an actor. Not a good one anyway.
Oddly that the showrunners admitted that they were the one's who didn't know hw to develop Matthew Waterhouse's Adric character. The showrunners for the end of Tom Baker's and the beginning of Peter Davidson's turn as Doctor Who are the one's fans of the series should direct their hatred towards. The Doctor's 25th companion could have been so much more and they let Matthew and his fans down by writing him as whiny and the god Awful outfit too! It wasn't Matthews age or acting skills it was POOR WRITING!
The Adric character with Baker went well. He was not a good fit with Davison and as I stated Adric and Nysa were to similar to work at the same time
@@dazzle1545 I understand your objections to Adric not being a fit with Davidson's Doctor but I strongly disagree with you the writers failed Adric character but changing him from a young rebel warrior whose thirst for knowledge made him stowaway on the Tardis, to a whinny younger like sibling for Davidson's Doctor.
@@halfmoonrisin From what I watch if you compare the Adric of the Baker era to Davidson, the Baker Adric saw knowledgible in many of the sciences, was streetwise and that was changed to someone who just knew math and was whiny and less intlligent than Nyssa. But if yousee them in Keeper of Traken and Logopolis he a couple of level s above her.
He is also not so much a male chauvinist as an elitist. Like Romana 1 he looked at almost everyone as an intellectual inferior other than the doctor, Romana and Nyssa
@@dazzle1545 Thanks for reply. I agree Adric should consider many of the companions were intellectually inferior to Adric. If you remember Adric was one of the few companions who could pilot the Tardis. Nyssa was from a advanced society true but her character was easily spooked. I just think the Adric companion that was brazen enough to stowaway aboard the Tardis with Baker's Doctor after Baker's regeneration into Davidson's Doctor Adric's character was drastically changed into a whiny know it all companion and that was the writers fault.
Please. It wasn't Adric it was Matthew Waterhouse. 18 year old smartypants, tried to tell Tom Baker how to act. Everyone despised him. Lalla Ward, Janet Fielding. And even Sarah Sutton slapped him once LOL. It was most likely John Nathan-Turner that kept him in for so long.
I believe Peter, who I love, is lying; I also believe Eric is lying; I think both wanted Adric to go in what is one of the worst choices the original series ever made; having two girls who don't really work well with the Doctor or the idea of new ideas and different kind of characters for the show stay while the one freshest to the premise of over 19 years go, the one who was the most realistic and most impressive. Sad. Davison just wanted a companion who wasn't as interesting as his Doctor and Adric was similar to his own Doctor so....and Saward never had Adric right as his time as script editor, turning him from season 18's bright, interested and questioning about the universes into someone who was always in trouble and less intelligent than Nyssa. Clearly they ruined the show with that move. And others they would soon make.
Moffat is one to talk. I'd take 12 seasons of Adric as a companion over another Moffat season any day
Moffat gets way more hate then he deserves, he has his flaws definitely. But he’s also written some of the best episodes of Doctor Who ever.
Moffat did Mathew refuse your advances............ You sound like an old queen rejected........ Mathew was fine the writing FAILED.
Now were these people homophobic or against leftys?
It's fantastic to hear someone who was a lifelong fan and once a showrunner criticise Matthew Waterhouse's acting - it WAS dreadful and big a part of why I tired of him instantly and never liked the character. Seeing through to the harsh truth helps with the pursuit of quality, years of watching phoned-in appearances must've driven his pursuit of quality when it was his chance to make Doctor Who.
Adric>Hell Bent
You're not even a bad writer, Moffat. You're just not writing. Go away.
Yep glad the awful Moffat era will die, far into the future when they make another Doctor Who DVD documentary, we will look back on how Moffat ruined the show and lessened it's modern popularity and relevance. I wonder if they will show him, the same contempt they gave to poor old Adric...
David Blyth maybe people 'bitch about him because he's not had a particularly good tenure
tactician get to fuck you've clearly not looked at any of Moffat's other work. Coupling? Was he "not writing" then?
People who act like Moffat isn't the best writer the revived show has had (and it's not even close) are deluded. Who are you trying to fool, really?
Of all the companions, Adric was the absolute worst, the most unlikeable, the least good at acting, and he ruined by dreams of being with Nyssa. Bloody brilliant way for him to go.
But if you think about it, Doctor Who as a company needs Adrics to move onward, but we as Whovians did not need Adric in the company Doctor Who.
NOoooOOOo, that is not true! I refuse to see your point, don't get me mad! lol
Moffat nailed Adric right on the head.
+britwigger
And possibly for that he was inspired to create Danny Pink.
I concur.
we don't hate boy genuises; we hate Moffat's talking at all; Moffat doesn't know what he's talking about
Rule #1: Moffat lies.
I never liked him because his dialog was kinda lame.. like if the doctor said said something to him he’d just repeat what the doctor said.. didn’t really contribute much the to the conversation
Yeah, big boy Moffat was so self confident in what people wanted and didn't want to see that he just plainly shat on the series with fucking Clara Oswald, piece of junk of a character (with terrible unlikeable actress - gimme drunk Waterhouse any day) that totally killed any momentum Capaldi could've had and lead his era to the rotten mess it turned into. Done great things, but thought too much of himself to just leave when it was proper. RTD saved the show, Moffat put it back on track to fail again...
Adric did seem better than Clara
Moffat is kind of hypocritical given that the companions he wrote were rubbish
Mathew spunkterhouse