Are Fans Wrong For Celebrating Deshaun Watson's Injury? (Grossi Perna Show)

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  • @thegamemole3941
    @thegamemole3941 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +721

    The press is more angry at the fans for cheering a sexual predator getting hurt than they were about the crimes committed by said sexual predator

    • @tqlla
      @tqlla 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

      The Browns knew who they signed when they showed Baker the door. They knew who they were cheering for when he threw his first few touchdowns.

    • @robe2504
      @robe2504 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      About 80m folks will be trying to elect a sexual predator President in a couple of weeks. For a country stolen from the indigenous people and founded by puritanical immigrants, the US is sure effed up at the moment. Hopefully sanity prevails again and it can keep turning the corner.

    • @dubvuchyea502
      @dubvuchyea502 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Of course they are

    • @FigsOfFury
      @FigsOfFury 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      sexual predators defending other sexual predators.
      "It's a big club, and you ain't in it."

    • @alexandru5369
      @alexandru5369 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      This^

  • @iandhr1
    @iandhr1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +329

    In 999 times out of 1000, it's wrong to laugh at a player's injury. This is the one exception.

    • @Akkbar21
      @Akkbar21 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Wrong. Just say nothing. Remember what your mom should have told you? If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all.

    • @FoxtrotYouniform
      @FoxtrotYouniform 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      @@Akkbar21 'just say nothing'
      ironic advice

    • @Akkbar21
      @Akkbar21 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@FoxtrotYouniform clearly you have nothing to actually say… you just wanna sound clever. Truth is… you are only as good as you behave and cheering or laughing at an injury is bad behavior. The man is very likely guilty of everything he was accused of, but why cheer his injury? Just makes you a gross person. Doesn’t help anyone. My advice is that your grow up. Focus on gaining maturity and then you’ll understand.

    • @drhexagonapus
      @drhexagonapus 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      ​@@Akkbar21well if you believe he's guilty, then wheres the justice? He should be in prison yet he's a multimillionaire living a lifestyle more lavish than 99.99% of americans. So we cheer because this is the only justice he's ever likely to receive.

    • @Frosty_tha_Snowman
      @Frosty_tha_Snowman 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Burfict.

  • @Phoenix-pm2qr
    @Phoenix-pm2qr 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +142

    On top of the fact they ran Baker out of town, and then REFUSED to sign Flacco as a backup because he was a threat to Watson. The Browns deserve all of this

    • @Mattalica-ss9pj
      @Mattalica-ss9pj 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      AND -- Baker Mayfield has been MUCH better than Watson (especially in the last season and a half with Tampa Bay), so Cleveland *had* a potential pro-bowler on the roster already.

    • @adgtheone
      @adgtheone 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly, 100%!

    • @ryank3210
      @ryank3210 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      And doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down that he wouldn't get benched even after a historically bad 6 games. They made Winston the emergency 3rd so the fans couldn't demand he be put in. The fans knew the only way to get a decent QB was Watson getting hurt.

    • @brubie7584
      @brubie7584 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Pretty sure the fans wanted flacco to stay. The org tho sucks

    • @TruBrowns99
      @TruBrowns99 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      A ton of Browns fans wanted both Baker and Flacco to stay

  • @Recovery305
    @Recovery305 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +578

    Idk about celebrating it, but I sure as hell don’t feel bad for him in the slightest.

    • @genkiwan8949
      @genkiwan8949 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      this is what i agree with, your not going to feel bad but cheering for it is a bit fucked up

    • @r.williamcomm7693
      @r.williamcomm7693 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Agree. Instead Browns get media to use psychological tactics to blame the fans as if they don't deserve to have a winning team. If I were a Browns fan I'd throw away the hats, jerseys, etc & never attend nor watch a Browns game again.

    • @TheDJBunch
      @TheDJBunch 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What more fucked up. Sexual assault or cheering for an injury? I get having empathy but maybe put that energy towards something else​@@genkiwan8949

    • @Grable424
      @Grable424 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      @@genkiwan8949 Maybe think about it from the perspective of people who have suffered abuse of this kind at some point, or the women he abused. Seeing a predator have karma come back to bite them in the ass when no one else seems to want to punish them for it? Zero issue with that being celebrated. He's getting back what he put into the universe.

    • @SomeOfTheJuice
      @SomeOfTheJuice 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Never cheer an injury, but can feel ambivalent to his injury and cheer there being a justification for him to be benched.

  • @ColinKSU
    @ColinKSU 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +56

    Buddy there ain’t a single person on the face of this Earth that’s gonna make me feel bad for celebrating Deshaun Watson’s injury. He deserves to be in prison, so $230 million and a torn Achilles is way better than he deserves.

  • @thestormofwar
    @thestormofwar 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +184

    I have no sympathy for Groper Cleveland. I don't feel joy at his injury and the probable end of his career, but dude settled over two dozen sexual assault allegations and got paid millions still. I get tired of folks telling me I should pity people who do not have basic human morals.

    • @dynomar11
      @dynomar11 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Groper Cleveland is pretty good, I have to give you that.

    • @gamingwithmndandlnd4952
      @gamingwithmndandlnd4952 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He stole it from five points vids 😂. But real talk I don’t cheer for injuries though that’s not me.

    • @LateNightTableCo
      @LateNightTableCo 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      D-Shitty Wat-stien got what he deserved. More settled lawsuits than TD passes is only the tip of the iceberg for stats that prove he was terrible, and not much of the QB he used to be. Good riddance and prayers for his victims and Cleveland fans who have to sit with another who knows how many years of QB hell

  • @brocksells197
    @brocksells197 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +74

    I don't understand the people saying things like, "Imagine how he feels," as if Watson is known to care about how others feel

    • @dubvuchyea502
      @dubvuchyea502 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@brocksells197 right? Like yeah I AM imagining how he feels, why you think I'm cheering

    • @weregretohio7728
      @weregretohio7728 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Imagine how he feels rolling around in his vault of money while the rest of us work for peanuts without assaulting women...

  • @mainmanjoseph8029
    @mainmanjoseph8029 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +353

    "You are sick for cheering Deshaun Watson getting a season-ending injury"
    Me and the boys, on our dying beds:

    • @deangelocarter9180
      @deangelocarter9180 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      *cough cough*

    • @nerdstop5025
      @nerdstop5025 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Lets goooo

    • @griffhawkins8909
      @griffhawkins8909 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I cheered the Watson Injury like it was the goddamn moon landing. I guess I'm real sick. Should probably get over to a doctor real soon.

  • @RedShirtKing
    @RedShirtKing 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +294

    In a world that rarely provides opportunities for justice, it is good when bad things happen to bad people. I’m 100% with the fans on this one.

    • @WoodyWard
      @WoodyWard 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      But bad things do happen to bad people, though - eventually 😂

    • @coltonwilkie241
      @coltonwilkie241 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @WoodyWard and this was the eventually moment for Deshaun.

    • @Akkbar21
      @Akkbar21 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      People like you are why Trump could become president. You’ve completely lost the thread of what’s right. Grow up! Watson seems to be a scumbag. Still wrong to cheer for an injury. If you don’t understand, you simply aren’t mature enough to understand.

    • @miketheviking_
      @miketheviking_ 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Was he charged and convicted of anything?

    • @drew.168
      @drew.168 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@miketheviking_how many cases did he settle? Maybe not guilty of anything in the court of law but guilty of plenty in the court of public opinion.

  • @Grable424
    @Grable424 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +218

    As a woman, no one can make me feel bad for celebrating the Watson injury. The only thing that made it sweeter was watching him suck and embarrass himself for 2 years before having a season ending injury. It's nice seeing karma actually work sometimes.

    • @Bonesawisready926
      @Bonesawisready926 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      To be fair if you go through the lawsuits one by one, I'd say 4 of them are credible allegations of SA and the rest are escorts who knew what they were doing trying to get a check. And those 4 credible allegations should probably be tried in a criminal court.

    • @Gwanzan3325
      @Gwanzan3325 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Seriously, fuck that guy. Going 1-5 is hardly the worst thing this guy has done.

    • @FoxtrotYouniform
      @FoxtrotYouniform 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      I'm a male sexual assault survivor. I'm with you, sister.

    • @DeepRest420
      @DeepRest420 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      As a male with basic level human empathy I also celebrated. He was unrepentant, and he is rich whether or not he plays another down. We really gonna pity this man?

    • @andrewkline5611
      @andrewkline5611 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Bummed he’s going to need a Heisenberg amount of barrels to store his guaranteed money though.

  • @PowerPackers90
    @PowerPackers90 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    I just feel icky about the players in Cleveland saying people should have empathy/sympathy for Watson. I'm not cheering an injury, but im not feeling sorry for the guy. Where's the empathy for the 20+ women?

  • @carbon7825
    @carbon7825 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    99% of the time its absolutely disgusting to cheer someone getting a season-ending(and career altering) injury. This is the 1% scenario. He preyed on 20+ women and trapped Browns fans with being a terrible QB that had no chance of being benched because of his FULLY GUARANTEED 200m. So I don't blame Browns fans one bit.

    • @dubvuchyea502
      @dubvuchyea502 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@carbon7825 someone gets it

  • @shysgarage2405
    @shysgarage2405 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    They boo'd him during pregame introductions and cheered when he was taken off on the cart... Savage

    • @Accurize2
      @Accurize2 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yep! We were sick of the stain he brought on our team/city. The organization was completely tone deaf towards its fans. When tapping on the shoulder no longer works, you have to hit them over the head with a sledgehammer.
      I think they finally received the message. Deshaun will not play for us anymore regardless of his recovery.

  • @elliotb1795
    @elliotb1795 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    I just find it funny that football analysts, the NFL entity, and former and current players protect and praise a person who molested and took advantage of women.... But draw the line about fans just vocally booing the guy.
    So physically abusing women is cool, verbally booing a guy briefly as he exits the stadium is the bad thing.
    The booing or cheering or whatever is so temporary. His bag is guaranteed. All he has to do is go heal in his big mansion for the next year and chill.
    People act like he got shot or beat with some kind of weapon.
    Football and it's people (players, coaches, and analysts) live in such a bubble world.

  • @StayPuftMarshmellow
    @StayPuftMarshmellow 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +54

    I’m a browns fan and have been disgusted by the franchise since the move for watson. I hate to see anyone get hurt. However, this franchise, it’s media and a lot of fans continue to gaslight people for rooting against watson in anyway. I’m disgusted by a lot of football fans like the blind watson lover boys, the nfl, and by wataon himself. Booing someone accused of 25 sexual assault charges should be the least of people’s worries in all this but they have to divert the attention away from how god awful the move from watson has been.

    • @notme1559
      @notme1559 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I feel the same way, we should have kept baker.

    • @wubzy7696
      @wubzy7696 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Its been rouhg as a fan of this team. I've been a fan since I was 5 years old and im 19 now. I wasn't there after the move to baltimore but I've been here for the most part and we finally had a roster that I felt was enough to get us over the hump. Baker got injured and played through it and we traded him after the season. I always thought that was the wrong choice and as an organization who is known for making bad decisions I knew we were getting Deshaun after the Baker trade. Its been downhill since and any goodwill I had for the organization is gone. I feel no sympathy for Deshaun and even was a little happy he got hurt.

    • @Bonesawisready926
      @Bonesawisready926 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@notme1559 Bro, don't act like there weren't a bunch of Browns fans calling him trash for playing with one arm.

    • @notme1559
      @notme1559 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Bonesawisready926 oh I know there were. And they're all eating crow now.

    • @weregretohio7728
      @weregretohio7728 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's amazing how many people are still tied to that sinking ship.
      I mean, it wasn't surprising to see how many people were dirty enough to climb aboard that ship to begin with, and it wouldn't be the Browns if people didn't sell their souls for a shitty football team, but still.
      Let's not forget that Jameis Winston is also a predator.

  • @Scrooge.1
    @Scrooge.1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +114

    I know y'all mostly focus on the on-field aspects of things, but in this case I think it misses the point. If Watson was just a bad QB who got injured then any fans who cheered the injury would be condemned, as we've seen in the past. The reason this is one of the only times there's been mainstream acceptance of cheering the injury is because this feels karmic in some way due to him having assaulted 20+ women.

    • @coldgrumpytree5441
      @coldgrumpytree5441 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      His 270 million karma 😂😂

    • @Bonesawisready926
      @Bonesawisready926 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      This is where I deviate from the fans. First, all those were alleged, not convicted. Secondly, most of them sound like escorts trying to get a check. I think there are 4 or so that sound like actual assault, and they should probably be adjudicated in criminal court. I think there is enough smoke that there is probably fire, but to say he committed assault 20+ times when he's not been convicted of one is a bit of a spit in the face to the presumption of innocence.
      Let's not promote a culture that killed Brian Banks and Shawn Oakman's careers (among many other men's futures) before they even started.

    • @FoxtrotYouniform
      @FoxtrotYouniform 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Bonesawisready926 If it has to be a choice, I'll take "someone missed out at a chance for several million" over "mover humans victimized due to a culture of victim blaming"

    • @DeepRest420
      @DeepRest420 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@Bonesawisready926 Yeah! Clean logic! He only assaulted a FEW women, totally different. The fans are idiots and Watson is a good boy making a mistake over and over and over, after all.

    • @Bonesawisready926
      @Bonesawisready926 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@DeepRest420 Not what I said at all, but you're emotionally attached to the subject.

  • @proteuswest1084
    @proteuswest1084 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    I will never cheer for an injury, ever. That being said, it says a lot about Deshaun Watson that I'm not really willing to condemn the people who have and did.

    • @dubvuchyea502
      @dubvuchyea502 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@proteuswest1084 fair

  • @mondegofilms-2352
    @mondegofilms-2352 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +125

    Watson broke the cardinal rule of sports criminals, not the crime, but not playing well, if he had taken the browns to the Super Bowl, a bronze statue of him getting a message would be built downtown

    • @cmorris9494
      @cmorris9494 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Eagles fans want a statue of nick foles. With the exception of 2 years he wasn't that good of a quarterback.

    • @kevinerbs2778
      @kevinerbs2778 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@cmorris9494Ragles did right with Jaylen Hurts, thats what the Browns should've done with Bajer reguardless of the injury year. Expect look how dumb this franchise has been always doing dumb time after time.

    • @robe2504
      @robe2504 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      That rule seems to work for presidential candidates as well.

    • @hellowhirled
      @hellowhirled 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@cmorris9494 yeah but he got us our first super bowl and thats enough. big dick niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick

    • @themistero
      @themistero 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yup like Ray Lewis who killed 2 people and Ben Rothlesberger who raped multiple women. Doesn't matter if you are actually good. Everything is forgiven.

  • @nicktime5841
    @nicktime5841 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +93

    I mean I would have preferred a benching but I sure as hell don’t feel horrible he got hurt. Browns fans didn’t trade for him so I feel pretty bad for them

    • @BigBrueser
      @BigBrueser 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      They’re getting Shedeur or Cam Ward out of it. So don’t feel that bad

    • @brianm6117
      @brianm6117 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@BigBrueser Sheduer will be a bust.

    • @theghosty99
      @theghosty99 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Browns fans could have stopped cheering for their team. That's what I would have done, and what I saw some Browns fans do after the trade.

    • @TheMitmiter
      @TheMitmiter 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@BigBrueser think back to all the "great" quarterbacks that the Browns drafted and destroyed their careers. They will more than likely mismanage another top qb.

    • @brianm6117
      @brianm6117 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheMitmiter name one great QB the Browns have drafted? Just one?
      You can't do it. Now I am not defending the Browns as they are a trash organization, but they haven't drafted any great QB's ever because they don't know how to.
      The only good QB they have drafted in recent history is Baker. They've only drafted 5 QB's in the 1st round since 99. They only drafted 3 other QB's in the first round in their entire history.
      If you're going to try to come up with an argument, at least make it an educated one.

  • @tburgess3426
    @tburgess3426 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    We don't talk enough about the opportunity cost of this trade. The Browns had a franchise qb and they gave it up to pay a bunch of money to an anchor.

  • @WoodyWard
    @WoodyWard 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    I celebrated the injury and I'm not wrong. 🤗

    • @markees97
      @markees97 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      People acting like he died lmao

    • @Grable424
      @Grable424 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@markees97 bro, it's insane. I'm like he snapped his wittle achilles and he deserved it and he'll recover just fine. It's not like he's dead.

  • @MrDhen88
    @MrDhen88 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +67

    People act like his life was threatened? He pulled his Achilles, and he’s been terrible at his job for 3 years, it wasn’t a shot at Deshaun it was a shot at hasslem for guaranteeing his money and saddling the fans with this piss poor product for the last 3 seasons. Ray lewis killed a guy, won a Super Bowl nobody cares, but if you think you can get that kind of money and underproduce? You’re absolutely naive. “It’s someone’s livelihood “
    Stfu he ain’t working again ever

    • @theghosty99
      @theghosty99 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Fun fact! Ray Lewis did not actually kill anybody, and no one at any point even testified that he did!

    • @themistero
      @themistero 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@theghosty99 You are right. It was 2 people.

    • @stevenclark5173
      @stevenclark5173 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@theghosty99 He did dispose of evidence in that white suit. But given how law enforcement treat black people, I can't say I blame him if he was innocent of being an accessory to murder.

    • @TheMitmiter
      @TheMitmiter 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@stevenclark5173 just think. They could have treated him like OJ.

    • @phantomblade89
      @phantomblade89 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@stevenclark5173 Oh yes blacks are so innocent.

  • @fredcasdensworld
    @fredcasdensworld 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    This is Michael Irvin's quote from 2013 regarding how the Eagles Fans cheered his injury: “I remember my Dad, and a lot of those fans are just like my Dad, It’s the only place and the only time their opinion counts, the only way they can voice their disappointment, and I can’t have a problem with that.’’
    So the fans are not wrong for cheering Watson's injury.

  • @Litnigmkween
    @Litnigmkween 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +67

    As a Steelers fan, I’m just nervous that the browns will have to start a decent QB now

    • @Recovery305
      @Recovery305 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Jameis vs Russ will be a meme fest

    • @mondegofilms-2352
      @mondegofilms-2352 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Well, that will pass soon, as soon as you remember the most important thing… at the end of the day, we are still Cleveland…

    • @RPknight101
      @RPknight101 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      That Qb is at Indianapolis currently

    • @kevinerbs2778
      @kevinerbs2778 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Recovery305How they went from a guy that threw 22 interceptions to a guy that throw 30 on different team.

    • @ryanflemming464
      @ryanflemming464 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@kevinerbs2778 With this defense, the team might be good with 40 and 40.
      Watson was statistically worse than Brandon Weeden. He was statistically worse than Charlie Frye. Statistically worse than DeShone Kizer, the elderly corpse of Trent Dilfer and the yay-fueled mania of Johnny Manziel. It's borderline impossible for any replacement not to be better than Watson has been this year.

  • @Nemo-kk7qg
    @Nemo-kk7qg 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Booing Watson for getting injured was really unfair considering that a season-ending injury is his strongest move. To be fair to the Browns, they were right not to bench Watson, since it's dangerous for him to to occupy flat wooden surfaces such as benches. A bench is too similar to a massage table. Better to let him run around, play tag with opposing defenders and tire himself out.
    Last year, Watson's season-ending injury allowed Browns to start Flacco and reach the playoffs. This year it's an even stronger move since Watson had been so historically bad that any able-bodied human with NFL experience is more likely then not to play better then he did in his first 6 starts. Personally, I hope that they give Tim Tebow another chance, so if anyone reading this a vagrant hanging around Browns facilities, please yell out this idea whenever you see Jim Haslam.

  • @davidnelson6874
    @davidnelson6874 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I think this is the Browns fans finally getting a chance to tell the organization what they think of the trade for Watson.

  • @Axecon1
    @Axecon1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    $200 million guaranteed that man doesn't have to work another day in his life. I don't feel bad for anybody making that kind of money. Also injuries like this are part of football, it comes with the territory. I'm not cheering for Watson's injury but I have absolute no sympathy for him.

  • @ironpanther2420
    @ironpanther2420 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    I'll bet all of Watson's victims were cheering.

  • @jeko32
    @jeko32 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    Forget NFL, this may be the worst trade in any sport, period

    • @MrDhen88
      @MrDhen88 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      The Louisiana purchase was a better deal than this

    • @m_chupon5131
      @m_chupon5131 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      We're gonna have to deep dive into old-timey handlebar mustache baseball players looking for a worse one

    • @pmtoner9852
      @pmtoner9852 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@MrDhen88too soon

    • @brainspin7518
      @brainspin7518 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Definitely on that Mt. Rushmore of bad deals/contracts right along with the Cowboys & Vikings Herschel Walker deal!

  • @shadowsniper9542
    @shadowsniper9542 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Honestly, this should go down as worse than the Herschel Walker trade. The draft capital alone isn't quite enough. The contract makes it arguable. The horrible PR and fanbase alienation makes it a real debate. The fact that they threw away a capable (and potentially great) QB when they kicked Baker out to replace him with Watson should give the Watson trade the edge. If they had Baker right now, the Browns may well be a true contender, and that makes it the worst trade ever in my eyes.

    • @ObscuraDeCapra
      @ObscuraDeCapra 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      It's WAY worse than that trade. If Walker had produced he absolutely would have been the missing piece for Minnesota getting a Super Bowl. No question the upside was there. But he didn't. They mortgaged the future on a bet. They got burned. It happens.
      The Watson trade though... you bring in a known turd of a human, give him the bag, then expect him to give a flip about anything but his guaranteed money every week. You do so while sending your future elsewhere. If this doesn't work out, you have no fallback. The Vikings had a solid core and could still build off of it. The Browns don't, and they won't have one anytime soon.
      It's insane.

    • @shadowsniper9542
      @shadowsniper9542 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@ObscuraDeCapra The Walker trade is usually held up as the worst trade ever because of the sheer capital MIN forked over, 3 1sts, 3 2nds, a 3rd and a 6th for a 28yr old RB with just one 1k yard rushing season. Every trade is a gamble, this one just had horrible odds of being worth it for MIN and ultimately ending up wasting their core, allowing the Cowboys to rise as the next dynasty after SF was finished instead of MIN.
      Cleveland gave up less picks for a younger player with a better track record of success at a more important position. The contract, PR nightmare, and Baker's success elsewhere are where this trade goes off the rails.

    • @alonewolfsoulgdl1733
      @alonewolfsoulgdl1733 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Couldnt the browns also have kept flacco, or hell when he was available draft CJ stroud?

    • @vinsanity40k
      @vinsanity40k 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      seems the browns' bad decision turned out to be a great decision for the texans and the bucs. 😄

  • @TPaulus
    @TPaulus 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    As a Browns fan, my reaction was very similar to Urinatingtree’s reaction. “Oh no! Anyways.”

  • @nathanstelts5357
    @nathanstelts5357 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    As a former Browns fan, I’m not happy he got hurt, but I can empathize with every fan in that stadium for how they reacted. This has been a humiliating failure on all accounts, and the team should completely clean house. But even when they inevitably do, I will never root for the Browns again. Not even winning a Super Bowl will fix this, because I will never forget that I spent my time and money supporting this team - only for that to be flipped into life-changing money for Deshaun Watson and the absolute clowns who brought him to Cleveland.

  • @matthewleininger9849
    @matthewleininger9849 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Two things; 1. Deshaun Watson trade was so much worse than the Russell Wilson trade ever was (Which the Russell Wilson trade was also bad). Russ brought his ego to Denver where Watson brought the allegations and PR backlash. The Broncos took on a record dead cap hit but were able to get out of his contract where the Browns dead cap hit for Watson would be much worse than Russ if Cleveland released him (Which I don’t think is possible). The Browns gave up 3 firsts where Denver gave up 2. Yes, Denver fell apart same with the Browns but the Seahawks are still in that mid where Houston is now a Super Bowl contender with CJ Stroud. Baker Mayfield who Cleveland traded away is now loved and playing well in Tampa. The DeShaun Watson trade is already a top 3 worst trade in sports history but if Houston and/or Tampa wins a Super Bowl soon, it’ll cement as the worst trade of all time.
    2nd thing: You should never root for injuries cause if you do, the next Damar Hamlin will happen and this time they’ll die and you won’t want that on your conscience the rest of your life.

  • @danielhavoc889
    @danielhavoc889 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    If you're sick for celebrating bad things happening to a predator, then put me in the intensive care unit cause I'm sick AF.

  • @brent4209
    @brent4209 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    His contract is going to kill that team. Horrible! How’s Baker Mayfield looking now? Too many owners thinking they know talent evaluation.

  • @ace99asCaptainSlow
    @ace99asCaptainSlow 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Throwing 9 digits of guaranteed money at a QB that was coming off of a year-long suspension was always going to be a massive risk, and I understand that a franchise that has been desparate to return to some kind of relevancy and success will be willing to take on that risk.
    If Deshawn had actually performed at the level his contract suggested he should, reactions would be very different. There was always going to be a subsection of people cheering his injury due to the assault allegations/payoffs, but it was amplified due to very poor performance.
    Despite being a Steelers fan, I couldn't be happier to see Chubb back on the field, that injury was horrible looking.

  • @bernardmoore8877
    @bernardmoore8877 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Browns fans were criticized for supporting Watson when he arrived. Now we’re demonized for cheering the fact that we’re no longer forced to watch him play. The national media shitting on Cleveland…what else is new.

    • @piedpiper1172
      @piedpiper1172 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Sadness Factory is pulling extra production runs.

  • @DarkcIoud1111.
    @DarkcIoud1111. 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    I live in the Philly area (not an Eagles fan however) and I remember when they hired Michael Vick. The fans hated this pick and thought the Eagles should drop him or try and trade him away...until he started winning them games. Then it went from "That guy is a dog fighter, I don't want to see him wearing my team's jersey" to "He served his time and everyone deserves a second chance" freakishly quickly. I never did and cheered every time he took a hit.

    • @piedpiper1172
      @piedpiper1172 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      At least he actually faced criminal Justice for his wrong doings instead of successfully using his wealth to squash it all out of court.
      I loathed what Vick did-I work with animals-but I can much sooner get my head around “he’s been punished and served his time” than “well, he wasn’t convicted cus he threw money at desperate, hurt people until they agreed to settle.”
      Watson is just such a terrible person he makes even your comparison to Vick-a great one-come off as showing how trrrible Watson is

    • @jamesbell7696
      @jamesbell7696 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The thing that still gets me about Vick to this day is he was never punished for the more eggregious crime of running an illegal, underground, multi-state gambling enterprise. My guess is some pretty important people in the mid-Atlantic states were active in dogfight betting and they didn't want that to get out during the discovery and disclosure processes of a racketeering trial. All his charges and the vast majority of the media coverage were about how he treated dogs; near silence about the dogfighting league he was running, other participants, how much money was being invested, and most importantly by whom.

    • @CaptainTrips560
      @CaptainTrips560 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@piedpiper1172Vick, for what it’s worth, has also said “that was fucked up, I shouldn’t have done that.” Even if his reasons for saying this were entirely self-serving, that admission alone counts for more than Watson’s entire life

    • @piedpiper1172
      @piedpiper1172 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@CaptainTrips560 Yep! To be clear, I do not like Vick, but it is notable that Watson has managed to lose the moral high ground to a man who systematically abused dozens (more?) of dogs.

  • @alrapke1030
    @alrapke1030 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Ask the 20 plus women he assaulted what their reaction was to Watson's injury

  • @kellenlean2076
    @kellenlean2076 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    My empathy for the 26 women that were assaulted takes precedence over my empathy for a multi-millionaire who sucks at his job.

  • @DevTheo1
    @DevTheo1 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you Tom & Perna.. I actually unsubscribed from someone because they celebrated the browns disaster. The fans don't deserve that. (The org might, but don't forget that there are fans in play here)

  • @chrisdavey5530
    @chrisdavey5530 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    no more wrong than Groper Cleveland forcing himself on 20+ people, serving exactly zero punishment for it and then getting paid....if thats right, im more than happy being wrong.

  • @natsuelric2153
    @natsuelric2153 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    Why feel bad when a bad thing happens to a bad person?

  • @Gungho73
    @Gungho73 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Myles Garrett is a great defensive player that deserves better. He's also an idiot for calling Watson a "Model Citizen" while calling out fans for celebrating his injury. I'm not a Cleveland fan, but it has been extremely clear since the rumors a trade to the Browns organization that fans were extremely against Watson coming to their city. There are a lot of fans that gave up with the trade for him, after decades of being the other, OTHER Ohio football team (after Cincinnati and the Buckeyes) that was the limit. And I agree with them. I don't want to celebrate peoples injuries, but I sure as hell don't feel bad for him. And the medias efforts to try and circumvent that image that Watson cultivated for himself is honestly more disgusting then fans behavior. Even if he was playing well and winning, its embarrassing to see how the media has bent backwards at times big and small to be like "man, you people are the gross ones. Not the guy who settled that many times and has never really been apologetic for his behavior and was in fact financially rewarded for it. No, it is the fans who are in the wrong."

    • @NoTimeAllTime
      @NoTimeAllTime 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Myles also hits people with his helmet when angry, perhaps not the best judge of character.

    • @Gungho73
      @Gungho73 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@NoTimeAllTime At least he had the excuse of being angry in the heat of the moment. And also was very apologetic following it and accepted responsibility for his actions. There wasn't the thing of "sorry to those who were triggered."
      But yeah, I get what you mean. I'm sure some people didn't want to hear it from Myles. Or in my case, at all.

    • @HaxStudio
      @HaxStudio 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I didn’t wanna hear it from Famous Jameis either. He had a SA case at FSU

  • @George_M_
    @George_M_ 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    Literally any other player, even the Packers new kicker, I'd feel bad for them.. but Watson is a criminal who's escaped justice and been rewarded.

    • @nickbrown1843
      @nickbrown1843 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Packers new kicker was proven innocent

    • @MLBlast40
      @MLBlast40 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@nickbrown1843 McManus was not "proven innocent" his lawsuit was "resolved" and was not specified if it was a settlement or dismissed. Learn what words mean lmao

  • @robe2504
    @robe2504 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Celebrating someone else's misfortune is rarely dignified, but no sympathy is deserved, that's for sure.

  • @dominicjannazo7144
    @dominicjannazo7144 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The browns are bad but used to be fun to root for.
    They are no longer fun to root for. It was amazing to pull for Flacco and a Watsonless team last season, they were fun. But they don't want good players the fans like, Watson was an awful pickup even without personal controversy, yet they did it anyway.

  • @bluwlvrine
    @bluwlvrine 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    If it's wrong then I don't want to be right

  • @henrywilliams4781
    @henrywilliams4781 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "Don't cheer for injuries" -- anything to avoid placing responsibility where it should lie.

  • @TerrenceLP
    @TerrenceLP 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Truth is what it is, people have spoken

  • @LordPichuPal
    @LordPichuPal 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I very much understand the fans reacting to it, and it is a rare instance where I feel they are right to be happy for an injury, due to the fact Watson is a horrible person off the field. Having nearly 30 SA lawsuits to settle but still getting paid like the greatest QB in the league is just outrageous and messed up, he should've never been allowed back on the field without facing some real justice. In the mind of a lot of people, the fact he's sucked since joining Cleveland and now has a major injury that ends his season (and hopefully career with them) is that retribution and justice we've been waiting for. I get why his teammates would be bothered but they're forced to play alongside the guy and see him every day during practices and travel and game days, which is far more personal than what we know about him. To pretend like he's done nothing wrong is even more unheard of to me. I got no sympathy for him either, and I'm not even a fan of the Browns.

  • @sarahchristine2345
    @sarahchristine2345 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    I feel like they were really booing the front office tbh… and after what they did to their fans, I’m not sure I can really blame them 🤷‍♀️

  • @charonib
    @charonib 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The Buffalo Wild Wings I was at for that game erupted in cheers when Watson got injured. Nobody liked that trade and celebrates any chance that we can move away from this man.

  • @queen_nat4586
    @queen_nat4586 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I feel bad for the Browns fans, but as a Steelers fan I cheered when Watson was carted off the field and I'm currently laughing at the team in general.

  • @LdyVder
    @LdyVder 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The person who needs to lose their job is the owner and he's not going to lose his job.

  • @SecondWindStories
    @SecondWindStories 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    The Browns did this to themselves. They won a few games after being the skidmarks for 20 years, and thought that they can just fire football guys like John Dorsey and Alex Van Pelt and trading away a QB in Baker that stopped the revolving door of over 30 starting QB's since 2000 because he played hurt. I'm here for all of this. They deserve for this sure. I used to also defend the fans, but after watching the Stadium cheer Watson's achilles injury, it appears to me that they're deserving of that factory of sadness

  • @dodecahippo6378
    @dodecahippo6378 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Listen, I'm not saying I'm cheering, but there's a whole lot of catharsis

  • @tomatkinson4880
    @tomatkinson4880 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Considering Waston is not going to see any jail time for the horrible things he did i think its a bit of Frontier Justice being booed by an entire arena full of people. In my eyes he got off easy. Enjoy that qtr of a billion dollars Waston.

  • @sickman4273
    @sickman4273 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I could care less about that man terrible person making more money than any of us will ever see. Not like it’s a life threatening injury either

  • @jhoe164
    @jhoe164 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    3:00 welp I dont cheer for a man who sexually assaulted 24+ women. I hope watson never sees the field again. he doesn't deserve it hes a despicable person. we all know he shouldn't be in the NFL... karma

  • @ZacheryAnderson-e4j
    @ZacheryAnderson-e4j 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    Trade for Joe Flacco

    • @ironpanther2420
      @ironpanther2420 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Cleveland doesn't deserve Flacco

    • @TheMitmiter
      @TheMitmiter 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ironpanther2420 Cleveland does, the Browns don't.

  • @matthew1182
    @matthew1182 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

  • @michaeltriola3978
    @michaeltriola3978 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    26 sexual assault allegations. No sympathy from me.

    • @coldgrumpytree5441
      @coldgrumpytree5441 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      All fake

    • @davidgreen3001
      @davidgreen3001 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Allegations? So basically nothing or is there actual proof?

    • @michaeltriola3978
      @michaeltriola3978 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@davidgreen3001 he settled them all in court, so he paid them to go away

    • @michaeltriola3978
      @michaeltriola3978 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@coldgrumpytree5441 ew, maybe don’t defend a sexual predator

    • @michaeltriola3978
      @michaeltriola3978 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@coldgrumpytree5441 lol, defending a predator, nice

  • @MrZachary111
    @MrZachary111 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Celebrating when bad things happen to bad people isn’t bad.

  • @duffyy1
    @duffyy1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Cheering after he got hurt was a bit disappointing however you have to understand what the browns fans have been going thru. Watson more than likely played his last snap in Cleveland. Ownership also is a huge factor. They are destroying the team.

  • @piedpiper1172
    @piedpiper1172 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I, for one, am *very upset* about the Watson injury.
    I wanted the Browns to be hopelessly terrible and stuck with him even longer. So I’m mostly upset that it happened now instead of closer to the end of his guaranteed time.
    Anyway, Steelers goin to tha SUPER BOWL

  • @jasonbeasley9774
    @jasonbeasley9774 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Him getting hurt destroyed the franchise…. It’s a tough business and they don’t have to play

  • @KennyHavoc
    @KennyHavoc 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m not gonna celebrate my qb getting hurt again
    But I’m not gonna tell anyone that they can’t

  • @seansimmons6932
    @seansimmons6932 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Life as a Browns fan is like having a slow lobotomy

    • @brainspin7518
      @brainspin7518 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      While having a bone marrow biopsy, & colonoscopy performed by Shaq, all at the same time being fully conscious with no anesthesia!

  • @dannydaller3684
    @dannydaller3684 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Jags fans got it right with their special chant for him last year

  • @pseudohippie55
    @pseudohippie55 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You should never celebrate someone being injured.
    BUT you don't have to feel bad that someone gets injured.

  • @chriswhite9972
    @chriswhite9972 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I won’t hate on someone for celebrating, I also won’t hate on someone for saying it’s sad to see a player go down like that.
    Then again, the Jets had a guy leave on a stretcher, that matters more than DW and his personality issues

  • @lucasvotruba159
    @lucasvotruba159 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I mean, this contract has multiple years left on it. Athletes with ruptured Achilles have less than a year timeline until returning to play. Who's to say he isn't starting QB week 1 next season?

    • @brainspin7518
      @brainspin7518 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😮‍💨 thanks for that info.

  • @davidquintana2918
    @davidquintana2918 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Perna says draft a qb so easily. I feel sorry for the guy who has to play for some of these teams. It can be brutal.

  • @dom19945
    @dom19945 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I celebrated it and won’t be guilted into caring about Watson’s wellbeing.

  • @kyledabearsfan
    @kyledabearsfan 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In this specific case, it almost seems like poetic justice, but normally harsh

  • @name-vi6fs
    @name-vi6fs 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Its really hard for me to cheer for harm on someone. When it comes to awful people like Watson, Hill, Rapelisberger, etc. I instead choose to not feel sorry for their injuries.

  • @manitobamodeler24
    @manitobamodeler24 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Are people forgetting that the latest allegation was just like straight up rape? No one should feel bad for cheering for a Watson injury. It’s his Achilles, not like he died. Not like I’d feel bad if he did though.

  • @deemariedubois4916
    @deemariedubois4916 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Browns fans, the dawg pound, deserved so much better than what they got with DeShawn Watson. I hate injuries, seeing these athletes get hurt. In this case the football gods have spoken.

  • @cellamuert
    @cellamuert 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    remember when john gruden tried to make you feel bad when juju laid out vontez berfict? same situation here.

  • @marcushead9985
    @marcushead9985 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Betteridge's Law of Headlines states that any headline posed as a question can be answered with "No."

  • @system331
    @system331 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Celebrating it was wrong. But feeling sorry for him is not required. Dude received a gift from karma

  • @jkfecke
    @jkfecke 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This trade makes the Herschel Walker trade look like a win-win.

  • @halloweentimemachine
    @halloweentimemachine 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    7:00 damn Perna spitting facts

  • @bealzabubba
    @bealzabubba 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They will have to make the physical therapists were body-cams for safety.

    • @mjjoe76
      @mjjoe76 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      His medical team should be staffed entirely by guys built like linebackers or defensive tackles.

  • @tvanddy
    @tvanddy 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    $230m guaranteed is so braindead to get someone who’s won exactly one playoff game, even if they were a good person.

  • @mentalcow
    @mentalcow 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Watson trade is so much worse than the Wilson trade but since they happened both in 2022 I think they will be tied together as the worst offseason of qb trades ever

  • @Bobbleheads56
    @Bobbleheads56 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The same people tsk-tsking about the fans booing a groper are people that call for anyone’s head if they have a minor disagreement about political or social issues.

  • @lionsfan3581
    @lionsfan3581 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Glad Deshaun is out now I can root for Chubb and the few browns players I actually like

  • @EpicCollecting
    @EpicCollecting วันที่ผ่านมา

    I hate being a Browns fan lol, I'll be surprised if we win 2-3 more games this year. And that's being very optimistic.

  • @christmashake8968
    @christmashake8968 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Whatever one feels about Watson as a person, his injury, and people's reaction to it, one thing should be crystal clear for everyone: the deal to get him is 1000% on Jimmy Haslam. He wanted DeShaun from the beginning even despite (and maybe because of, depending on what people believe about Haslam as a person in his own right) the many allegations and lawsuits against him, and his hubris and arrogance is the reason Cleveland is paying the price on the field right now. Nothing changes for the Browns until he sells the team.

  • @PYROLORD7
    @PYROLORD7 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ll never teach my child to boo or laugh at an injured person. Besides 10 years from now we all might see a Netflix documentary about the whole situation that might change our opinions. The NFL has done some dirty things to protect the shield.

  • @Bahns007
    @Bahns007 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Ah yes, Myles Garrett and Jameison Winston scolding fans for cheering for Watson's injury. It's good to have such two individuals with high moral standards have the back of another fellow man with high moral standards. Bravo to those two

  • @nemesis081297
    @nemesis081297 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Celebrate an injury? No. However, do I believe in karma, absolutely.

  • @bully.of.broad.st.3626
    @bully.of.broad.st.3626 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I would never wish for or be happy about an injury to a player, regardless of how deplorable they are...
    That being said, I certainly won't shead a tear for Watson and can only contemplate the rich irony

  • @greghmn
    @greghmn วันที่ผ่านมา

    As a Browns fan no longer in self-imposed exile due to this, some might pity me, but the joke's on them, because I *never* get tired of Roundball Rock.

  • @martinrenzhofer8241
    @martinrenzhofer8241 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The fans were booing, Watson, the front office as well as ownership. The backups are not the answer, either. The Watson deal destroyed this team.

  • @Catablepon01
    @Catablepon01 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    No they are not wrong

  • @Ristofec
    @Ristofec 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The answer is no. It doesn’t make you a bad person.

  • @Captain_Neckbeard
    @Captain_Neckbeard 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I always rooted for Greg Hardy to get hurt, but he never did.