@@musculusiv4172 Indeed, people need to know the history between cities, because it is a spiderweb of historical moments that created tribalism between different cities. As an example in my country. The cities of Ghent and Antwerp were Republics for a time which created enormous tensions between them more than 800 years ago. To this day a lot of people between these cities have a certain "hate" for that city saying they are arrogant, not to be trusted and so on. Antwerp has a saying for example that they are a real city, while the rest is just a parking, which is something that has a heavy connection with historical events of the past. Most people are not aware of this and just take over what their parents say to them.
I'm a 50 year old Italian and I'm been an Ultras in the past. You cannot describe the feeling. You feel part of the game because you ARE part of the game. To us, it is not sport, it is Honor, religion, a way of life. Our team, colors, logos, it's part of ourselves.
The moments you watched are not big historic ones, at least not that i know. However, some of the clips are probably from derby games, wich are matches played between historic rivals. There are always different reasons for these rivalries, but most often they have developed because of historical, geographical, religious, cultural or sosioeconomical differences between the opposing fan groups. You should look more into this to get an understanding of the cultural significance of football.
Btw here in Germany we have the 50+1 rule which means at least 51% of the Club belong to the Fans. Its a rule in all of Germany so no random billionaire can just buy the whole Club and can do whatever he want. As a club member (everyone can become a Club member) you can literally Gore who will become the president, you can become the Club president yourself etc.. Just some months ago my Club Hertha bsc became the first Bundesliga Club (Bundesliga = 1st League in Germany and top 4 League in the World) to have an ex ultra as the Club president. The guy was literally the “capo” (the guy who stands in front of the crowd with the megaphone and starts the chants) some years ago and now is our president. The president before was some shady billionaire and let pur Club to probably the worst 3 years in the Club history so the fans took their Club back. Sadly for example in the English Premier League Clubs are getting commercialized more and more (in other countries aswell) but im really really Glad Here in Germany the Fans are still a real part of football and not just random faceless observers
"Historical moments" look no further than Dinamo - Crvena Zvezda 1990. game. Huge violent riots between fans which will be soon after on opposite sides of Balkan war. If you read up on it, you'll see future war criminals involved etc. Most famous scene is Boban hiting the police officer in the head with a flying knee (Boban was a huge star, and he is currently FIFA vice president)
where the Yugoslav communist party could not control the situation where Croatian nationalists vs serb nationalists. crosia considers serbia imperialist . and Serbia considers Croatia fascist and likes genocide
I’m from Italy and you have to remember that the country has been unified for about 150 years. Before then, the country was a bunch of independent city states and regions that were at war, or allied with foreign invaders to rival regions for over 1000 years. So when Roma plays Milan or Napoli plays Juventus, there is so much more at stake the a sport match. It’s like that all around Europe as they have been at war with each other since 1000 BC and those “cultural moments” as you correctly call them have permeated deep into the psyche of these local people.
I was at the scene under the bridge at 4:08 it was an amazing thing to participate in! We Ajax fans call it an entrada where we gather in mass before an important match (I think this one was for the Europa League match vs Schalke back in 2017) and sing and chat and set off fireworks. Ultra's are a mixed bag though, nowdays they create 90% of the atmosphere in the stadiums with singing/chanting and tifo's(big banners and flares). On the other side they have an element that is just there for the violence. We can't live with them and we can't live without them let's say. 90% of the hooliganism shown is not down to historic events but just down to emotions, rivalries and timing.... But don't let this narrative carry you away and think this is a weekly happening, it's not. Nowdays it's rare for big incidents to happen, and with most clubs you would be 'lucky' if these big incidents of violence in and around the stadium happen at all.
Same here in the UK, violence at games declined in the early 90's it does still happen but on a small scale. Now it's mainly fans at games similar to yourselves.
Not really, it kind of depends on a country. Ultras is more of a way of supporting your team, with the flares, choreographies, flags, non stop singing and chanting. So you can be an ultras without fighting, even part of ultra group but in some, probably most countries the way to gain respect and rise through the ranks in the ultras group is to "prove" yourself, and that involves being ready to fight along with being at the games all the time, especially away games, being brave is very important and being good at fighting is a plus, but then again that also varies from country to country...
In Europe not every supporters are like that but the fact is that football is more than just a game. Football is a cultural thing and in some cases it can feel like war, with deep historic rivalry. It's a bit complicated to explain so I'll take a general example : - let's take a random city, 500 years ago this city fights again a neighbor city. - those 2 cities were rivals and along the centuries this rivarly never really ended - in the 20th century football became popular and those 2 cities got their teams - the teams became a strong community with most of people of those cities involved in everything related to their teams - for the hardest fans, the team became their life, they met their friends, their wifes or husbands, and everything else through the love for their team - the hardest fans become like warriors defending their culture, their team, their family and friends - when their is a match between those 2 rival teams, with all the historic background, the people hardly involved etc... every game can become a battle, on the field and outside the field - in worst cases you need to have the police to avoid big battles, and in other cases some fans got killed (during the battle, or later from gunshots or stabbed) Again Europeans are not all hard fans like that, but most of European countries have those ultras (England, Italy, Germany, Serbia, Turkey, etc...). And for most of the Europeans, football represents a lot more than sport.
Oh it transcends the game itself alright. You probably heard that Croatia is relatively young country, but have You heard that football game started the Croatian War of Independence? Please check out video called "1990 Dinamo Zagreb - Red Star Belgrade Riot | The Football War".
Many of those are from derbies and big rivalities, not necesarily historical matches. And most football matches go without any violence and are family friendly, it is important to say that. Violence is not always, and not everywhere. But passion is quite présent in général, yeah^^
Hey Luke stumbled upon your chanel a few weeks ago. i really love your genuine interest in football and trying to understand all the culture, subculture and love that is connected to this great sport. i personally have been to the stadium the first time at 4 years old sitting on my dads lap. ever since then i just love it. american football is what brought me here though 😉 it is getting a really huge fanbase here in europe, as you may have seen with the munich game. the yoda in the compilation(every american who reacts to this video notices yoda😉) was actually a choreography of the football club of my beautiful hometown of St.Gallen in Switzerland. green-white for life💚🤍#take flight ✈️ keep up the great work and you will be a pro in no time! stay safe from the tornados! lots of love from switzerland⚽️🏈
Bro like him I live in Texas Dallas area and I could tell you we do not get tornadoes. But if you go a couple hundred miles north into Oklahoma which is in tornado alley then that’s a whole other deal
Ultras are super fans, and at a club level where some clubs represent your town or your people/area rival games will have some crazy Ultras and you will see some crazy shit at those games.
Derby games are usually the best atmosphere , my teams nearest rivals are 300 meters on the other side of the street , or an atmosphere at a cup final but that's a rarity if you support a smaller club
Politics are always present in ultra group. When you have to clubs in a town, usually the supporters of one are left wing and supporters of the orther are right wing. In Greece especially riots and clashes beetween fans can go very far. For example, some months ago, an ultra of Aris Thessaloniki (clearly antifa crowd) was killed by supporters of PAOK (who harbors many tendency, the killlers were openly fascist) You can also find that type of rivalery in others countries for example SS Lazio vs. AS Roma
but sometimes, the entire city has such a strong base on one wing, that both major clubs are on the same side... like in Liverpool, where both clubs are left wing. but yes, the split is more the norm. so LFC - Everton may be known as the merseyside derby, but it's also often called the friendly derby, which i kind of like, if you want to go make trouble, wait for the Chelsea game instead... 😜
@@raistormrs Which is a bit of a misnomer these days as the Merseyside derbies have gotten really contentious the past few seasons, especially at Goodison.
I know it can look scary, but I was never scared when I was there, even as a teen. People take care of one another, and all are watching out for the young ppl, in my experience.
Good Reaction Luke. Good Luck with getting to 10K, which will come. Their "10,000" was many years ago when this was made and there are endless other videos showing the songs and chants with no violence.. I am in my SEVENTH decade of attending matches in London.
Historically speaking, most of these clubs were raised around unions(wether industrial, agriculture, police, army, students, etc...) and with time they spread from Father to Son and it became what you have today, also, through time 90% of them based on unions political, religios and competition (army vs police, academy vs academy, industry in one city vs industry in proximity city, etc.) Ultras factions adopted these tendencies, so, yeah :D most rivalries are based on that + local teams from the city(some cities have more than 2-3 clubs and they all hate eachother) + historical events between cities, countries, regions, religion... So what you see here, even police fightings and so on, are mainly during derby games... Hope it helps, cheers!
Just to clarify as well. Here in England, we obviously love our football. Our fanbases would get absolutely blown away by these Balkan/Eastern European fanbases/ultras. They are that passionate in what they do. Even Marseille fans or Koln fans would be blown away by these fans. Even in the 80s when England had a huge scale of football hooligan violence between firms of different clubs, these ultras would still destroy those firms. English fanbases or Central European fanbases shouldn't even bother trying to call themselves ultras, bar a select few in central europe
The English hooligans of the 70s and 80s were THE hooligans at that time. The Eastern European Ultras were inspired by those English hooligans, even sown to the way they dress with all the designer gear. The violence got stamped out of English football after Heysel with hooligans getting lifetime bans from stadiums and travel abroad on match days, the creation of the PL and the law to have fully seated stadiums.
@@liammc433 Exactly Liam... the hype around so called 'Ultras' is and was mostly juvenile! Worse still the parasitic infiltration of facist/racist extremism was/is endemic regarding the weak minded and absolutely nothing to do with football... the game itself becomes incidental to base tribal instincts! It quickly spread across Europe beginning in the UK in the 70's and still plagues football across the world today! Conversely, it's also a 'Double Edged Sword' though... the experience of running street battles and 'rioting' through the 'Elephant & Castle' (South London) with thousands of other teenage lunatics in the late 70's still hasn't faded from my own memories! Oops! "Funny old game innit"!
@@liammc433 Tbf, yeah, the firms like millwall and chelsea were pretty fucked up at that time. But i still feel like these ultras are the kind that literally bring machetes to games and stuff; in other words, they don't give a fuck, they will literally kill anyone. I also feel like the difference lies in the fact that these ultras LOVE football, because on the whole its pretty much all they've got going on for them in these countries; however, most former hooligans that I looked up on in the past said they obviously love football etc, but the main reason they went was just to fight other firms. That to me is why these kind of ultras are the most passionate.
Nah, you must be very young if you think that. What is it exactly you think these eastern European ultras have that the English hooligans never had in the 70's and 80's? Pretty fireworks? Don't forget, only England has ever had clubs banned from European football. Liverpool fans actually killed 39 Juventus fans in the 80s.... I agree that today these Eastern European fans are very impressive with their carnival atmosphere with all their fireworks and stuff, but they got nothing on the proper hooligans of the 70's and 80's of which these Eastern Europeana look up to.
@@liammc433 In fairness though, the reason why these clubs have never been banned from European football is because they can't get in to the competitions themselves; they aren't good enough. For example, in Poland one of the many rivalries is between Wisla Krakow and Cracovia, there are multiple cases of machetes and cleavers actually being used by either sets of ultras on children. They are fucked up. Trust me I'm not at all discrediting the English firms of the 60s-90s, but I feel like even they still had a line as to what they did. Also, going to your point about the modern day ultras in the Eastern European and Balkans regions 'looking up' to English hooligans from the 70s and 80s, nah I don't think that's fully true, that wouldn't explain the passion that these modern ultras have for their club. Back in the day, they just wanted a scrap for reputation and to be the 'biggest' firm in wherever.
first thing to understand is that Europe, or a big part of it has lots of roman empire influence . If huligans and their actions exist now with all the laws and police around, imagine back in the roman empire times, imagine the coliseums . hundreds of schools of gladiators, hundreds of private entreprenours responsable with cattering, cleaning, preparing the shows. it was much wilder. all that carried on .The reason i make the analogy is also cause this arena sports have the same purpose. to give the working class a way to release the pressure of everyday stress. You work for a company were each day your work produces things that worths your salary for the whole year. Each day you sweat and bash your brains for that.. the pressure is insane. I work for a subsidiary for Mercedes benz. the factory i work in produces gearboxes. one gear box worths my salary for 9 months. and i maneuver 300-400 per day. so basically my work on one day worths my salary for the next 280-300 years . all done in one day. and when you go home and pay taxes, electricity, water and gas and food, and all that's left is maybe 10-15% , you are going mad. and all that pressure builds up and has to explode somewere cause if you keep it inside, bad things gonna happen. And here comes a soccer match. its weekend , you had some beers, you're pumped up for one thing that no one can take from you : passion for the game. So yea, be sure things gonna happen on that stadium :) . Competitive sports , since antiquity, are very important in the working class mindset.
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There is a movie called Green Street Hooligans starting Elijah Wood from The Lord Of The Rings and Charles Hunman from Sons of Anarchy that’s worth a watch.
No. "I.D." Where a team of undercover police officers attempts to infiltrate the hooligans of "Shadwell Town" (so clearly based on Millwall). Their leader gets seduced by their violent culture, and becomes a Shadwell-supporting Nazi Here's the trailer - th-cam.com/video/vLgmGdIDkMs/w-d-xo.html
If you want to know a little more of the history of these rivalries, watch COPA90 derby days series, its the best out there to learn about the passion and importance of some matches, and their history
One of the best ultras groups is Żyleta for Legia Warsaw. There’s one famous display where they had hung up a tifo calling UEFA money grabbing pigs essentially after they were fined. One of the best videos on them is by fevernova callled “legia warsaw Ultras”
If you like that kind of passion, I recommend you to watch some Libertadores matches next year. Libertadores is the Champions League of South America. I recommend specially the Argentinian teams.
In 99 percent of cases this happens in derbies or international matches. so almost every one is historical. because we remember each of them well, whether we won or lost. It doesn't matter where you are in the league table, but whether you won the derby or not. it is well remembered. PARTIZAN-CSK-PAOK Brothers forever
I don't know if you've seen, but in Marseille there was a kid killed last night as fighting broke out between Moroccan and French supporters after the game finished. That whole football hooliganism used to be called "The English Disease" but it's a lot less violent in the UK now than it is across swathes of Europe.
Most of these aren't "historic moments". They'll be your average derby match between two rivals. It's far more common for violence to occur in Eastern (and some Central) European matches than it is in Western Europe due to years of authorities targeting and restricting hooligan/ultra movements, but events still occasionally happen. South America (I believe) is still up there with ultras and football-related violence. There's an important distinction to be made though: Ultras are just hard-core fans of the club. They will bring flares and chants to every game and champion the supporter atmosphere for their side during games. Hooligans are often ultras, but put their energies towards aggression against the opposition instead of just intense support for their team.
Let me tell you something. If you don't buy a plane ticket tomorrow to be in Buenos Aires before Sunday at noon, you're going to regret it for the rest of your life. It is a once in a lifetime opportunity to experience the true popular festival. greetings dear
There is a movie very well done with Elijah Wood as main character about this. It's called Hooligans. Make sure to go for the 1 as the second part is crap
One of my favourite football rivalry documentaries is on youtube COPA90 "our city could beat up your city" lots about the history of the rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth and the culture differences between the two cities just 13 miles from each other on the South coast of England. It's the South coast Derby! There is no other.
Some have suggested you check out: Red Star Belgrade - Dinamo Zagreb. It's a good suggestion. Some have also mentioned the social/political implications of football. So, I would also have some suggestions: 1. Look for the power of football to bring peace, not just war. The story of Didier Drogba and how the Ivory Coast qualifying for the World Cup brought peace to the country. 2. I remember seeing a report, I think on the FIFA YT channel a few years ago, about a team of Nepalese teen girls, how football was a means for liberation for them and how they'd travel for days, on foot, in the Himalayas, just to play a football match, few people probably ever saw. It really puts things into perspective, how football is much more than the glamour of the World Cup and it is... in a way... the only true global language. You may not know much about them and their culture, but get a ball and you're friends now. Across cultures, langauges, wealth, etc. we understand each other. 3. An individual drama, look for the story of a football player: Abdon Porte. He loved football so much, he couldn't bear living without it. Por el sangrie de Abdon ("For the Blood of Abdon") is for me the simplest, yet greatest football chant, because of the story behind it.
no "historic" moments here. its the difference between "its just a sport" & dedication and loyalty. in america its just a game, in the rest of the world its a religion.
No historic moments brother. This is just a normal weekend of football...at least it was. The mentality is coming back though. It is not about violence, it is about brotherhood and camaraderie, us vs them. Most of these are young men from poor backgrounds, the only place they have to let off steam is the stadium... In un mondo che non ci vuole più, canterò di più, canterò di più(In a world that doesn't want us anymore, I will sing even more, I will sing even more) Napoli Ultras chant
5:00 imagine if demonstrations were banned. and gathering and organizing demonstrators in the streets is a crime. So the only place where people come together and come without being organized is the football stadium. where they also chants the lyrics of a demonstration slandering the government
I am a huge Galatasaray fan. In 2012, we won the league against our biggest rival in Turkey, Fenerbahce, in their stadium. It was so bad they burned down the stadium. It was crazy. Also in 2006, when we were in bad form and Fenerbahce beat us at our stadium, there was a game called "Sulu Derbi" which basically means Wet Derby where there were apparently more than a 100 liters worth of water bottles thrown onto the pitch because of fans' angers. It was tough. Those were probably the craziest I've been to. I am a huge fan of your channel by the way, love the work. Keep it up. Also if you want to learn about football in general, outside of your TH-cam channel's context, you should start watching some videos about formations and positions/roles; that can really help understand how the game works. Also, just the Premier League and the Champions League once they start again are awesome.
This th-cam.com/video/m1xIf1B02d8/w-d-xo.html , started the war in Croatia. Serbs used Red Star hooligans to devastate the Dinamo Zagreb stadium and attack Croatians in their capital city with the support of Yugoslavian police as they were against Croatians having their own country. My grandfather and his brother were on this match, I was 4 and a half years old. Zvonimir Boban is my favorite player cos of this. Me and my family lost everything in this war so for me this is prime example of really significant event involving sports, politics and everything around it impacting our lives.
Always keep in mind, ultras are not hooligans. Hooligans just want to destroy things etc. And btw im sometimes in the Ultra Block of Schalke04. Its called the Nordkurve.
Love and passion for Club in any sport is so big that some ultras will die for club. It is like a religion family and way of life. Most of fans use game to get free of negative energy they accumulate during a week and it is very healthy way but unfortunately passion go to far in important games so everything can happened for some people club is whole life. Most radical thing beside fights was when Red Star Belgrade vs Dinamo Zagreb started a war because game happened isn very risk times.
In the Balkans specifically, the rivelaries do have solid backgrounds, be it in the national leagues or in cups where teams from different countries would meat. To just give you an example... My club, Vardar Negotino, is compiting in the second and third division in Macedonia, goes up and down constantly, and when we have games with Tikvesh from the neighbouring Kavadarci it is fired up as fuck. The hatred between us is, from Negptino's side, cause the people of Kavadarci burned the town to the ground 150 years ago because it was more prosperous than theirs, while from Kavadraci's point is because Negotino has always been much better in everything historically despite always being smaller (unfortunately for us that changed in the last 15 years). Anyhow, despite both clubs being part of a crapy league, often being in the lower divisions, the stands are always full, passionate to the max, tons of incidents have happened (me being involved in numerous of those), special police force and regular police is always present in abundance, but heck you cannot stop a big mass of fired up people on the move. While my club doesn't seem like it will have opportunities to play in qualifying matches for European cups anytime soon, if somehow it happens, and let's say it is drawn against a team from Bulgaria, there will sure be lot of blood spilled because the Bulgarians massacred lot of young people during WW II, and the memories are fresh!
The channel Peleja has a doc on Union Berlin, a soccer club from East Germany that was in first place this season on Bundesliga. It has english subtitles. ("COMO ESSE CLUBE DA ALEMANHA SOCIALISTA TÁ LIDERANDO A BUNDESLIGA"). It's a team owned, socialist, soccer club. It shows just how much a club and the sport means to everyday people. Since you liked Welcome to Wrexham...
Even sunday League Can go crazy and dangerous in suburbs, for m'y exemple when i was young in Paris suburbs. I know personnaly fans being injured with knifes juste for a winning game. Thats why know i dont let my son play football in club and suscribed him in a combat sport.
You wish you knew what the conflict was? Mostly the conflict is that one hooligan firm tries to reach the rivals hooligan firm and then the police gets in between to keep them apart.
yeah football/soccer passion can get dangerous, there have been moments where people/fans die cause of an upset, stampede, rivals fighting against each other and KILLING each other, etc. BUT that doesn't happen everytime and not with every club/league. There's even clubs fans that go with an agenda of being racist, or anything negative, that happens too.
Fans getting killed just in the 80s. Liverpool v Juventus Champions League Final 1985. 33 Juventus fans died after a walk collapsed. They were being attacked by Liverpool fabs at the time although a lot think it was actually the National Front stirring it up. Liverpool v Nottingham Forest FA Cup Semi Final 1989. 97 Liverpool fans killed after too many people wete let in the standing pens. If you want to look at actual at fighting watch the Battle of Marseille - England v Russia in Euro 2016.
Proper hooligans were the ones in England in the 1970s, mainly teenagers or adults in their early 20s who engaged in spontaneous unorganized ultra violence without the regimented mock military rally precision of the modern European 'ultras'. For an example look up Tottenham v Chelsea 1975 where a relegation tussle between the teams turned into a pitch battle between the fans in which Chelsea fans were chased from pillar to post and set upon mercilessly. Most other European fans in those days were well behaved in the free west and when English fans went to Europe they often raised hell and gradually became the pariahs of Europe culminating in a 5 year ban from European club competition after a tragedy in Belgium when 39 Juventus fans died. Some Italians were goading Liverpool fans at the 1985 European Cup (Champions League) Final who responded by breaking through the barriers causing the Italians in the other section to flee and a wall at the dilapidated old Heysel stadium in Brussels collapsed crushing many to death. Proper hooliganism in England died out in the late 80s, probably as a result of Heysel, also the Hillsborough tragedy and government measures. Some say the rave culture where working class youth turned to acid and ecstasy and all night raves in the late 80/early 90s had impact on the hooligan mentality. Since then hooliganism has virtually died out in England apart from sporadic incidents involving overweight middle aged men arranging 'tear ups' or whatever over mobile phones. In communist states in the 1970s/80s many of the fans were army conscripts and I imagine many of the ultras in this vid are the progeny of those conscripts, having long been released from communist shackles, they retain the regimental military mentality and organization aspects and are quite fearsome.
For most of the 'Ultra' fans around Europe, the 'historical moment' was that it was a Saturday.
where are your from?
Hahahha.... I just came to see if someone said that 🤣
in a way yes, in so many other ways it's rooted very deep
exacly :) greatings from Poland:)
These are no big historic moments, these shows a normal football weekend.
Probably not a historic moment but the big escalations usually involve some kind of rivalry
@@musculusiv4172 Indeed, people need to know the history between cities, because it is a spiderweb of historical moments that created tribalism between different cities. As an example in my country.
The cities of Ghent and Antwerp were Republics for a time which created enormous tensions between them more than 800 years ago. To this day a lot of people between these cities have a certain "hate" for that city saying they are arrogant, not to be trusted and so on. Antwerp has a saying for example that they are a real city, while the rest is just a parking, which is something that has a heavy connection with historical events of the past. Most people are not aware of this and just take over what their parents say to them.
No dont lie thats not normal
@@victordurand3000 it´s normal. where are you living?
@@victordurand3000 no es normal is comun
I'm a 50 year old Italian and I'm been an Ultras in the past. You cannot describe the feeling. You feel part of the game because you ARE part of the game. To us, it is not sport, it is Honor, religion, a way of life. Our team, colors, logos, it's part of ourselves.
The moments you watched are not big historic ones, at least not that i know. However, some of the clips are probably from derby games, wich are matches played between historic rivals. There are always different reasons for these rivalries, but most often they have developed because of historical, geographical, religious, cultural or sosioeconomical differences between the opposing fan groups. You should look more into this to get an understanding of the cultural significance of football.
Btw here in Germany we have the 50+1 rule which means at least 51% of the Club belong to the Fans. Its a rule in all of Germany so no random billionaire can just buy the whole Club and can do whatever he want. As a club member (everyone can become a Club member) you can literally Gore who will become the president, you can become the Club president yourself etc.. Just some months ago my Club Hertha bsc became the first Bundesliga Club (Bundesliga = 1st League in Germany and top 4 League in the World) to have an ex ultra as the Club president. The guy was literally the “capo” (the guy who stands in front of the crowd with the megaphone and starts the chants) some years ago and now is our president. The president before was some shady billionaire and let pur Club to probably the worst 3 years in the Club history so the fans took their Club back. Sadly for example in the English Premier League Clubs are getting commercialized more and more (in other countries aswell) but im really really Glad Here in Germany the Fans are still a real part of football and not just random faceless observers
"Big historical moments" nah mate, thats Sunday
"Historical moments" look no further than Dinamo - Crvena Zvezda 1990. game. Huge violent riots between fans which will be soon after on opposite sides of Balkan war. If you read up on it, you'll see future war criminals involved etc. Most famous scene is Boban hiting the police officer in the head with a flying knee (Boban was a huge star, and he is currently FIFA vice president)
dude also got an PhD in History inbetween :D
Balkan war.
where the Yugoslav communist party could not control the situation where Croatian nationalists vs serb nationalists. crosia considers serbia imperialist . and Serbia considers Croatia fascist and likes genocide
I’m from Italy and you have to remember that the country has been unified for about 150 years. Before then, the country was a bunch of independent city states and regions that were at war, or allied with foreign invaders to rival regions for over 1000 years. So when Roma plays Milan or Napoli plays Juventus, there is so much more at stake the a sport match. It’s like that all around Europe as they have been at war with each other since 1000 BC and those “cultural moments” as you correctly call them have permeated deep into the psyche of these local people.
I was at the scene under the bridge at 4:08 it was an amazing thing to participate in! We Ajax fans call it an entrada where we gather in mass before an important match (I think this one was for the Europa League match vs Schalke back in 2017) and sing and chat and set off fireworks.
Ultra's are a mixed bag though, nowdays they create 90% of the atmosphere in the stadiums with singing/chanting and tifo's(big banners and flares). On the other side they have an element that is just there for the violence. We can't live with them and we can't live without them let's say. 90% of the hooliganism shown is not down to historic events but just down to emotions, rivalries and timing.... But don't let this narrative carry you away and think this is a weekly happening, it's not. Nowdays it's rare for big incidents to happen, and with most clubs you would be 'lucky' if these big incidents of violence in and around the stadium happen at all.
Same here in the UK, violence at games declined in the early 90's it does still happen but on a small scale. Now it's mainly fans at games similar to yourselves.
very good scene, greets from east germany
90 minuten lang voor onze club uit Amsterdam,gekkenhuis op de tribune,niemand die ons stoppen kan
In case you didn't notice, ultras are basically hooligans but evolved
Some ultras are hooligans, not all of them…many are only about the party, support, the ambience…
Not really, it kind of depends on a country. Ultras is more of a way of supporting your team, with the flares, choreographies, flags, non stop singing and chanting. So you can be an ultras without fighting, even part of ultra group but in some, probably most countries the way to gain respect and rise through the ranks in the ultras group is to "prove" yourself, and that involves being ready to fight along with being at the games all the time, especially away games, being brave is very important and being good at fighting is a plus, but then again that also varies from country to country...
No, ultras and holigans are not the same. Holigans are cringe and a disgrace to football when they resort to violence.
In Europe not every supporters are like that but the fact is that football is more than just a game. Football is a cultural thing and in some cases it can feel like war, with deep historic rivalry. It's a bit complicated to explain so I'll take a general example :
- let's take a random city, 500 years ago this city fights again a neighbor city.
- those 2 cities were rivals and along the centuries this rivarly never really ended
- in the 20th century football became popular and those 2 cities got their teams
- the teams became a strong community with most of people of those cities involved in everything related to their teams
- for the hardest fans, the team became their life, they met their friends, their wifes or husbands, and everything else through the love for their team
- the hardest fans become like warriors defending their culture, their team, their family and friends
- when their is a match between those 2 rival teams, with all the historic background, the people hardly involved etc... every game can become a battle, on the field and outside the field
- in worst cases you need to have the police to avoid big battles, and in other cases some fans got killed (during the battle, or later from gunshots or stabbed)
Again Europeans are not all hard fans like that, but most of European countries have those ultras (England, Italy, Germany, Serbia, Turkey, etc...). And for most of the Europeans, football represents a lot more than sport.
Ultra's in most European countries do not have corrupt governments. It is just about people loving their club and not so much liking the opponent.
Oh it transcends the game itself alright. You probably heard that Croatia is relatively young country, but have You heard that football game started the Croatian War of Independence? Please check out video called "1990 Dinamo Zagreb - Red Star Belgrade Riot | The Football War".
Many of those are from derbies and big rivalities, not necesarily historical matches.
And most football matches go without any violence and are family friendly, it is important to say that. Violence is not always, and not everywhere. But passion is quite présent in général, yeah^^
Hey Luke stumbled upon your chanel a few weeks ago. i really love your genuine interest in football and trying to understand all the culture, subculture and love that is connected to this great sport. i personally have been to the stadium the first time at 4 years old sitting on my dads lap.
ever since then i just love it.
american football is what brought me here though 😉 it is getting a really huge fanbase here in europe, as you may have seen with the munich game.
the yoda in the compilation(every american who reacts to this video notices yoda😉) was actually a choreography of the football club of my beautiful hometown of St.Gallen in Switzerland. green-white for life💚🤍#take flight ✈️
keep up the great work and you will be a pro in no time! stay safe from the tornados! lots of love from switzerland⚽️🏈
Bro like him I live in Texas Dallas area and I could tell you we do not get tornadoes. But if you go a couple hundred miles north into Oklahoma which is in tornado alley then that’s a whole other deal
The is one slogan that is frequently used by football fans around the world. “Football is our religion”. This is true.
You should react to "Why ultras are so important to football".
Ultras are super fans, and at a club level where some clubs represent your town or your people/area rival games will have some crazy Ultras and you will see some crazy shit at those games.
Hooligans and ultras aren't the same really. They do sometimes have an overlap tho.
yes, football is more than a sport for us
every city in Europe loves its club...it is more than 100 years of history
Derby games are usually the best atmosphere , my teams nearest rivals are 300 meters on the other side of the street , or an atmosphere at a cup final but that's a rarity if you support a smaller club
NoName boys here from Benfica Portugal. NONAME BROTHERS OF TORCIDA FROM SPLIT!!!!
Politics are always present in ultra group. When you have to clubs in a town, usually the supporters of one are left wing and supporters of the orther are right wing. In Greece especially riots and clashes beetween fans can go very far. For example, some months ago, an ultra of Aris Thessaloniki (clearly antifa crowd) was killed by supporters of PAOK (who harbors many tendency, the killlers were openly fascist)
You can also find that type of rivalery in others countries for example SS Lazio vs. AS Roma
but sometimes, the entire city has such a strong base on one wing, that both major clubs are on the same side... like in Liverpool, where both clubs are left wing. but yes, the split is more the norm. so LFC - Everton may be known as the merseyside derby, but it's also often called the friendly derby, which i kind of like, if you want to go make trouble, wait for the Chelsea game instead... 😜
@@raistormrs Which is a bit of a misnomer these days as the Merseyside derbies have gotten really contentious the past few seasons, especially at Goodison.
I know it can look scary, but I was never scared when I was there, even as a teen. People take care of one another, and all are watching out for the young ppl, in my experience.
It’s the greatest feeling in the world to stand in such a crowd
Hyped for this. Love this video
Good Reaction Luke. Good Luck with getting to 10K, which will come.
Their "10,000" was many years ago when this was made and there are endless other videos showing the songs and chants with no violence..
I am in my SEVENTH decade of attending matches in London.
Historically speaking, most of these clubs were raised around unions(wether industrial, agriculture, police, army, students, etc...) and with time they spread from Father to Son and it became what you have today, also, through time 90% of them based on unions political, religios and competition (army vs police, academy vs academy, industry in one city vs industry in proximity city, etc.) Ultras factions adopted these tendencies, so, yeah :D most rivalries are based on that + local teams from the city(some cities have more than 2-3 clubs and they all hate eachother) + historical events between cities, countries, regions, religion...
So what you see here, even police fightings and so on, are mainly during derby games...
Hope it helps, cheers!
These are not historical moments it’s just regular games, that’s what makes it so crazy
We have 4 years to get to that level, Americans. Can we?
Just to clarify as well. Here in England, we obviously love our football. Our fanbases would get absolutely blown away by these Balkan/Eastern European fanbases/ultras. They are that passionate in what they do. Even Marseille fans or Koln fans would be blown away by these fans. Even in the 80s when England had a huge scale of football hooligan violence between firms of different clubs, these ultras would still destroy those firms. English fanbases or Central European fanbases shouldn't even bother trying to call themselves ultras, bar a select few in central europe
The English hooligans of the 70s and 80s were THE hooligans at that time. The Eastern European Ultras were inspired by those English hooligans, even sown to the way they dress with all the designer gear.
The violence got stamped out of English football after Heysel with hooligans getting lifetime bans from stadiums and travel abroad on match days, the creation of the PL and the law to have fully seated stadiums.
@@liammc433 Exactly Liam... the hype around so called 'Ultras' is and was mostly juvenile! Worse still the parasitic infiltration of facist/racist extremism was/is endemic regarding the weak minded and absolutely nothing to do with football... the game itself becomes incidental to base tribal instincts! It quickly spread across Europe beginning in the UK in the 70's and still plagues football across the world today! Conversely, it's also a 'Double Edged Sword' though... the experience of running street battles and 'rioting' through the 'Elephant & Castle' (South London) with thousands of other teenage lunatics in the late 70's still hasn't faded from my own memories! Oops! "Funny old game innit"!
@@liammc433 Tbf, yeah, the firms like millwall and chelsea were pretty fucked up at that time. But i still feel like these ultras are the kind that literally bring machetes to games and stuff; in other words, they don't give a fuck, they will literally kill anyone. I also feel like the difference lies in the fact that these ultras LOVE football, because on the whole its pretty much all they've got going on for them in these countries; however, most former hooligans that I looked up on in the past said they obviously love football etc, but the main reason they went was just to fight other firms. That to me is why these kind of ultras are the most passionate.
Nah, you must be very young if you think that.
What is it exactly you think these eastern European ultras have that the English hooligans never had in the 70's and 80's? Pretty fireworks?
Don't forget, only England has ever had clubs banned from European football. Liverpool fans actually killed 39 Juventus fans in the 80s.... I agree that today these Eastern European fans are very impressive with their carnival atmosphere with all their fireworks and stuff, but they got nothing on the proper hooligans of the 70's and 80's of which these Eastern Europeana look up to.
@@liammc433 In fairness though, the reason why these clubs have never been banned from European football is because they can't get in to the competitions themselves; they aren't good enough. For example, in Poland one of the many rivalries is between Wisla Krakow and Cracovia, there are multiple cases of machetes and cleavers actually being used by either sets of ultras on children. They are fucked up. Trust me I'm not at all discrediting the English firms of the 60s-90s, but I feel like even they still had a line as to what they did. Also, going to your point about the modern day ultras in the Eastern European and Balkans regions 'looking up' to English hooligans from the 70s and 80s, nah I don't think that's fully true, that wouldn't explain the passion that these modern ultras have for their club. Back in the day, they just wanted a scrap for reputation and to be the 'biggest' firm in wherever.
Ultras priority list: 1. support the club, 2. make some trouble.
Hooligans priority list: 1. make trouble
Nice reaction!
I was an active ultra for many years before I moved. Theres nothing like it. This is normal tifos or tifos for derby matches.
I never understand this ultra copilation,
The best video you can watch just a normal Day here ....
These are not Hooligans, they are Ultra’s and as they say; They’re way of life. It goes way back.
Historical moments? Dude, it's like normal weekend.
The historical moment is called Saturday afternoon lol 🏴
All of that stuff happens regularly. Especially derbys
No historic moments, just your regular sunday
first thing to understand is that Europe, or a big part of it has lots of roman empire influence . If huligans and their actions exist now with all the laws and police around, imagine back in the roman empire times, imagine the coliseums . hundreds of schools of gladiators, hundreds of private entreprenours responsable with cattering, cleaning, preparing the shows. it was much wilder. all that carried on .The reason i make the analogy is also cause this arena sports have the same purpose. to give the working class a way to release the pressure of everyday stress. You work for a company were each day your work produces things that worths your salary for the whole year. Each day you sweat and bash your brains for that.. the pressure is insane. I work for a subsidiary for Mercedes benz. the factory i work in produces gearboxes. one gear box worths my salary for 9 months. and i maneuver 300-400 per day. so basically my work on one day worths my salary for the next 280-300 years . all done in one day. and when you go home and pay taxes, electricity, water and gas and food, and all that's left is maybe 10-15% , you are going mad. and all that pressure builds up and has to explode somewere cause if you keep it inside, bad things gonna happen. And here comes a soccer match. its weekend , you had some beers, you're pumped up for one thing that no one can take from you : passion for the game. So yea, be sure things gonna happen on that stadium :) . Competitive sports , since antiquity, are very important in the working class mindset.
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There is a movie called Green Street Hooligans starting Elijah Wood from The Lord Of The Rings and Charles Hunman from Sons of Anarchy that’s worth a watch.
No. "I.D."
Where a team of undercover police officers attempts to infiltrate the hooligans of "Shadwell Town" (so clearly based on Millwall).
Their leader gets seduced by their violent culture, and becomes a Shadwell-supporting Nazi
Here's the trailer - th-cam.com/video/vLgmGdIDkMs/w-d-xo.html
If you want to know a little more of the history of these rivalries, watch COPA90 derby days series, its the best out there to learn about the passion and importance of some matches, and their history
That 900 years of hate was something else!
Fans of Team A + Fans of Team B = The Conflict
In Europe we have heart and soul..
One of the best ultras groups is Żyleta for Legia Warsaw. There’s one famous display where they had hung up a tifo calling UEFA money grabbing pigs essentially after they were fined. One of the best videos on them is by fevernova callled “legia warsaw Ultras”
No historical moments, just match day across Europe.
If you like that kind of passion, I recommend you to watch some Libertadores matches next year. Libertadores is the Champions League of South America. I recommend specially the Argentinian teams.
Dude I love your videos. You’re great and very cool. Much love and respect
it's not historical events and fights, it's the day to day ñife of a hooligan
In 99 percent of cases this happens in derbies or international matches. so almost every one is historical. because we remember each of them well, whether we won or lost. It doesn't matter where you are in the league table, but whether you won the derby or not. it is well remembered. PARTIZAN-CSK-PAOK Brothers forever
Not the craziest moments! Its like this almost every weekend!
I don't know if you've seen, but in Marseille there was a kid killed last night as fighting broke out between Moroccan and French supporters after the game finished. That whole football hooliganism used to be called "The English Disease" but it's a lot less violent in the UK now than it is across swathes of Europe.
You have our blood in you.
When the Saxon awakes
Big historic moments? Half of them doesn't even know their own birthday.
Most of these aren't "historic moments". They'll be your average derby match between two rivals. It's far more common for violence to occur in Eastern (and some Central) European matches than it is in Western Europe due to years of authorities targeting and restricting hooligan/ultra movements, but events still occasionally happen. South America (I believe) is still up there with ultras and football-related violence.
There's an important distinction to be made though:
Ultras are just hard-core fans of the club. They will bring flares and chants to every game and champion the supporter atmosphere for their side during games.
Hooligans are often ultras, but put their energies towards aggression against the opposition instead of just intense support for their team.
You have to react to argentina fans in the world cup, we are chanting all the game. Look for "En Argentina naci, tierra de Diego y Leonel"
There's this song "Freed from desire" which is very popular among clubs for celebrations. All people chanting, the vibes are unmatched.
Let me tell you something. If you don't buy a plane ticket tomorrow to be in Buenos Aires before Sunday at noon, you're going to regret it for the rest of your life. It is a once in a lifetime opportunity to experience the true popular festival. greetings dear
I am a tottenham hot spur fan and our rivals is Arsenal, we hate each other, when they are derby matches that is when the atmosphere is intense.
There is a movie very well done with Elijah Wood as main character about this. It's called Hooligans. Make sure to go for the 1 as the second part is crap
Your thumbnail game is niiice
copa90stories af high quality docus about rivals all over the world with many background information on both sides
The good the bad and the ugly of football.
The only moment that matters is next saturday
This is a normal weekend in europe.
One of my favourite football rivalry documentaries is on youtube COPA90 "our city could beat up your city" lots about the history of the rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth and the culture differences between the two cities just 13 miles from each other on the South coast of England. It's the South coast Derby! There is no other.
Please react to Francesco Totti, very underrated. He was a one club man, stayed at AS Roma for 25 years
Forzzza magggicaaaaa
@@shinybernard0455 sempreeeeeee
"I wish I knew what the conflict was."
Answer: It was a Tuesday.
That’s just a regular weekend game 🤣😂
Some have suggested you check out: Red Star Belgrade - Dinamo Zagreb. It's a good suggestion. Some have also mentioned the social/political implications of football. So, I would also have some suggestions:
1. Look for the power of football to bring peace, not just war. The story of Didier Drogba and how the Ivory Coast qualifying for the World Cup brought peace to the country.
2. I remember seeing a report, I think on the FIFA YT channel a few years ago, about a team of Nepalese teen girls, how football was a means for liberation for them and how they'd travel for days, on foot, in the Himalayas, just to play a football match, few people probably ever saw. It really puts things into perspective, how football is much more than the glamour of the World Cup and it is... in a way... the only true global language. You may not know much about them and their culture, but get a ball and you're friends now. Across cultures, langauges, wealth, etc. we understand each other.
3. An individual drama, look for the story of a football player: Abdon Porte. He loved football so much, he couldn't bear living without it. Por el sangrie de Abdon ("For the Blood of Abdon") is for me the simplest, yet greatest football chant, because of the story behind it.
These are not necessarily historical matches or Moments. It happens quite regularly , especially Between City Rival clubs or Big Rivals in general.
Don't worry about getting trampled, if you trip, your mates will pick you up, we're all there for the club😎
no "historic" moments here.
its the difference between "its just a sport" & dedication and loyalty.
in america its just a game, in the rest of the world its a religion.
These aren't historic moments, this is basically just every derby here in Europe.
best reaction
It’s from the Middle Ages cities against each other
Try club rivalries, its some of the most intense ultras clash
No historic moments brother. This is just a normal weekend of football...at least it was. The mentality is coming back though. It is not about violence, it is about brotherhood and camaraderie, us vs them. Most of these are young men from poor backgrounds, the only place they have to let off steam is the stadium...
In un mondo che non ci vuole più, canterò di più, canterò di più(In a world that doesn't want us anymore, I will sing even more, I will sing even more) Napoli Ultras chant
Listen to Worlds best ultras chants. Very underrated vid.
In South America things can get mpre crazy than this
If u want to know more about the topic watch this short documentary ''Why Ultras Are So Important For Football'' - COPA90 Stories
Football - religion in Europe
5:00 imagine if demonstrations were banned. and gathering and organizing demonstrators in the streets is a crime. So the only place where people come together and come without being organized is the football stadium. where they also chants the lyrics of a demonstration slandering the government
I am a huge Galatasaray fan. In 2012, we won the league against our biggest rival in Turkey, Fenerbahce, in their stadium. It was so bad they burned down the stadium. It was crazy. Also in 2006, when we were in bad form and Fenerbahce beat us at our stadium, there was a game called "Sulu Derbi" which basically means Wet Derby where there were apparently more than a 100 liters worth of water bottles thrown onto the pitch because of fans' angers. It was tough. Those were probably the craziest I've been to. I am a huge fan of your channel by the way, love the work. Keep it up. Also if you want to learn about football in general, outside of your TH-cam channel's context, you should start watching some videos about formations and positions/roles; that can really help understand how the game works. Also, just the Premier League and the Champions League once they start again are awesome.
for historical moments fc st pauli has interesting one
This th-cam.com/video/m1xIf1B02d8/w-d-xo.html , started the war in Croatia. Serbs used Red Star hooligans to devastate the Dinamo Zagreb stadium and attack Croatians in their capital city with the support of Yugoslavian police as they were against Croatians having their own country. My grandfather and his brother were on this match, I was 4 and a half years old. Zvonimir Boban is my favorite player cos of this. Me and my family lost everything in this war so for me this is prime example of really significant event involving sports, politics and everything around it impacting our lives.
Look for videos of the hinchada argentina, speciallin at the world cup
might be a couple of spoilers for great goals compilations, but what about greatest football commentary moments for 10k?
Always keep in mind, ultras are not hooligans. Hooligans just want to destroy things etc.
And btw im sometimes in the Ultra Block of Schalke04. Its called the Nordkurve.
You are watching Ultra. Utra are extrem football fans supporters. As you call them "hooligans" haha
Love and passion for Club in any sport is so big that some ultras will die for club. It is like a religion family and way of life. Most of fans use game to get free of negative energy they accumulate during a week and it is very healthy way but unfortunately passion go to far in important games so everything can happened for some people club is whole life. Most radical thing beside fights was when Red Star Belgrade vs Dinamo Zagreb started a war because game happened isn very risk times.
In the Balkans specifically, the rivelaries do have solid backgrounds, be it in the national leagues or in cups where teams from different countries would meat. To just give you an example... My club, Vardar Negotino, is compiting in the second and third division in Macedonia, goes up and down constantly, and when we have games with Tikvesh from the neighbouring Kavadarci it is fired up as fuck. The hatred between us is, from Negptino's side, cause the people of Kavadarci burned the town to the ground 150 years ago because it was more prosperous than theirs, while from Kavadraci's point is because Negotino has always been much better in everything historically despite always being smaller (unfortunately for us that changed in the last 15 years). Anyhow, despite both clubs being part of a crapy league, often being in the lower divisions, the stands are always full, passionate to the max, tons of incidents have happened (me being involved in numerous of those), special police force and regular police is always present in abundance, but heck you cannot stop a big mass of fired up people on the move. While my club doesn't seem like it will have opportunities to play in qualifying matches for European cups anytime soon, if somehow it happens, and let's say it is drawn against a team from Bulgaria, there will sure be lot of blood spilled because the Bulgarians massacred lot of young people during WW II, and the memories are fresh!
The channel Peleja has a doc on Union Berlin, a soccer club from East Germany that was in first place this season on Bundesliga. It has english subtitles. ("COMO ESSE CLUBE DA ALEMANHA SOCIALISTA TÁ LIDERANDO A BUNDESLIGA"). It's a team owned, socialist, soccer club.
It shows just how much a club and the sport means to everyday people. Since you liked Welcome to Wrexham...
Its called Football not soccer
Even sunday League Can go crazy and dangerous in suburbs, for m'y exemple when i was young in Paris suburbs.
I know personnaly fans being injured with knifes juste for a winning game.
Thats why know i dont let my son play football in club and suscribed him in a combat sport.
You wish you knew what the conflict was?
Mostly the conflict is that one hooligan firm tries to reach the rivals hooligan firm and then the police gets in between to keep them apart.
yeah football/soccer passion can get dangerous, there have been moments where people/fans die cause of an upset, stampede, rivals fighting against each other and KILLING each other, etc. BUT that doesn't happen everytime and not with every club/league. There's even clubs fans that go with an agenda of being racist, or anything negative, that happens too.
Fans getting killed just in the 80s. Liverpool v Juventus Champions League Final 1985. 33 Juventus fans died after a walk collapsed. They were being attacked by Liverpool fabs at the time although a lot think it was actually the National Front stirring it up. Liverpool v Nottingham Forest FA Cup Semi Final 1989. 97 Liverpool fans killed after too many people wete let in the standing pens.
If you want to look at actual at fighting watch the Battle of Marseille - England v Russia in Euro 2016.
Proper hooligans were the ones in England in the 1970s, mainly teenagers or adults in their early 20s who engaged in spontaneous unorganized ultra violence without the regimented mock military rally precision of the modern European 'ultras'. For an example look up Tottenham v Chelsea 1975 where a relegation tussle between the teams turned into a pitch battle between the fans in which Chelsea fans were chased from pillar to post and set upon mercilessly. Most other European fans in those days were well behaved in the free west and when English fans went to Europe they often raised hell and gradually became the pariahs of Europe culminating in a 5 year ban from European club competition after a tragedy in Belgium when 39 Juventus fans died. Some Italians were goading Liverpool fans at the 1985 European Cup (Champions League) Final who responded by breaking through the barriers causing the Italians in the other section to flee and a wall at the dilapidated old Heysel stadium in Brussels collapsed crushing many to death.
Proper hooliganism in England died out in the late 80s, probably as a result of Heysel, also the Hillsborough tragedy and government measures. Some say the rave culture where working class youth turned to acid and ecstasy and all night raves in the late 80/early 90s had impact on the hooligan mentality. Since then hooliganism has virtually died out in England apart from sporadic incidents involving overweight middle aged men arranging 'tear ups' or whatever over mobile phones. In communist states in the 1970s/80s many of the fans were army conscripts and I imagine many of the ultras in this vid are the progeny of those conscripts, having long been released from communist shackles, they retain the regimental military mentality and organization aspects and are quite fearsome.
These are not moments in history, these are normal games.