I find Dr Wise to be such a blessing and gift to the church in the area of apologetics and a highly scientific analysis of the geologic record. Of course there is a great amount of disagreement even among Christians about these matters, however I have found his diligent use of both Scripture and the scientific method is very enlightening and a strong defense of the integrity of the Bible.
🤔The one I'd notice of a possibility from what was presented,🧐is every time the water builds/pounds up their would be a build up of possible water pressure as it bottle necks per volume of what is trying to make it down stream. Adding a bursting a little faster of breaking down the material as it gives way maybe a repeating effect with the seasons or excessive rain fall as well.👍 That type of added to what was said by this gentleman. 👍Thank you for the video.👍
@@technicianbis5250-ig1zd Still being taught in schools and studied in universities all around the world. I wonder why that is? Oh yeah, because it's a fact!
The falls at Niagara eroded for the past few thousand years over the Horseshoe Falls (wrongly called "Canadian" Falls in this video) with fairly pure water due to Lake Erie above the falls feeding it. Today visitors to Niagara see beautiful blue aqua water in the rapids right to the brink of both falls. But clean water does not erode rock very quickly. The drainage of the flood was an epic catastrophic debris flow filled with eroded rock. Like water with sandpaper. The erosion occurred in months. There are extinct waterfalls in other parts of New York from the same time period. Two State Parks exist in Central New York State in Onondaga County near Syracuse, one east of Syracuse in Fayetteville called Green Lakes State Park, and the other south of Syracuse in Jamesville called James Clark Reservation State Park. The green lakes just spoken of are two ancient waterfall plunge pools in a gorge. James Clark Reservation is a horseshoe falls which was bigger than the Horseshoe Falls at Niagara, with multiple lesser plunge pools nearby. These both formed rapidly and catastrophically and a visit to walk in those state parks is instructive, (Requires two days, one for each park unless you're a maniac). State geologists think they were from glacial floods because they don't believe in THE Flood. But they admit they were catastrophic and rapid. Niagara was formed in the SAME WAY at the SAME TIME by the SAME EVENT. Rapidly, and catastrophically until the Flood subsided, whereupon gentle clear water of far less volume continued until today.
There is no way to calculate time using erosion as a foundation tool. The earth went through cataclysmic events when the crust was divided, it was only about 2/3 of its size and solid rock it the beginning and when it broke the continents drifted apart. The shifting of rock formations at he time it broke are impossible to calculate.
There is no evidence for what you are claiming! All the evidence/geology points to very fast (Less than a year) deposition of the sediments that became this rock!
16:24: thickness of the limestone. Limestone is a sedimentary rock, formed by way of sediment falling to the floor of a previous body of water, accumulating over time, and over time becoming solid rock. What about factoring in THAT part of the process? Adds a lot more time.
Lime does not belong on the continents. It belongs in the oceans. The process that put it on the continents was not a slow settling over millions of years from a calm ocean on top of the land.
@@vladtheemailer3223 I just pulled up an article from the USGS website where they identify rapid deposition of lime from a storm around 1993. It can be deposited as quickly as the conditions allow for it.
is it possible that the erosion did not begin till much more recently...as glacial waters began to thaw filling the great lakes then creating the spillover channel that created Niagara falls. Can we really tell when that spill over began.? Also, that filled in second channel is very interesting. Something very cataclysmic had to happen to fill in a channel that size. Do we even know if the present channel. was running concurrent with the old channel before it was filled in. There could be an extended period where no water was cascading over the falls if the old channel became filled in and the new channel was not yet providing spill waters. It would be interesting to compare the depth of the old buried channel to the existing channel. Was it deeper than the existing channel. If so, it may have been that at the time of its closing that waters in the great lakes spread out until they reached a height where spillover began again at is current spill over point. Thanks Dr. Wise....it always a pleasure to listen to you.
Any time something on earth looks older than 6,000 years, claim God made it already in progress. The mature creation hypothesis works for the creation astronomers, why not the creation geologists? Much simpler than trying to fit billions of years of rock formation into 6,000 years.
Why not just admit that they eroded at a much faster rate than the evolutionists insist that they did? They can't honestly say that the strata of the starting location of the falls to where they are today. For all anyone knows, maybe the rocks at the no longer present falls area were soft enough to eroded as much as several thousand feet per year.
First of all, no one even hypothesized billions of years for this particular erosion, so your agenda is showing. Secondly, these are all reasonable variables to consider.
C'est une question d'échelle! 1Mètre = 1000 Millimètres! 6000 Ans = X Millions d'années..... 1 jour pour le seigneur = Mille ans pour l'homme.... A étudier! Stéph.
Creation science, all around makes more sense than the myth of evolution, it explains everything more realistically in every aspect, my favorite is the lack of bioturbation in the layers. Charles lyell was an athiest trying to disprove the bible so I wouldnt trust his science as did Catherine in Jerico.
No. What geologists claim caused isostatic rebound is the melting of the glaciers, thus the rise of the bedrock. But this is not the cause. Recently a number of Canadian geologists have published papers in science journals showing (in fact PROVING in my opinion) that debris flows were the cause of all the scouring of most of Canada. Catastrophic debris flows at that. Few are aware of this rising debate in geology which will only increase in years to come. Some quite acrimonious These papers speculate that glacial floods were the origin of all that water and torn out debris, and others put no opinion of the water source, Some suggest it was epic flooding beneath glaciers and others say no, it was too much and thus was beyond glacier edges. But multiple proofs of watery debris flows have been put forward recently, not the least of which is virtually identical formations of boulders, gravel, and convoluted bedrock striations as has been observed in modern large debris flows which have been witnessed by thousands, filmed, and studied in detail by geologists, in Indonesia, the Philippines, Venezuela, California, and Colorado. Also the same in many prehistoric debris flows which were studied and which could have no glacial origin. When one asks a basic question namely, 'Which is heavier- water 2 miles deep, or ice 2 mile thick? The answer is water is 10% heavier. But which is heavier still- water or water filled with stony debris? Obviously, water is only 63 lbs a cubic ft. But add sand and gravel and boulders and you have around twice that depending on the concentration of debris. Some debris flows of mostly stoney material at least 140 lbs a cubic foot have been filmed traveling 30 mph or more. Even this does not entirely answer it. Take any bedrock and quickly scour away a hundred feet off its top surface (places in Canada and the US are missing much more than this!) and what happens is that the heavier-than-ice debris flow is gone, and the now thinner bedrock suddenly floats higher on the earth's mantle and thus the final stages of this rebound is measured. The falls at Niagara were part of the drainage of that flood, and they also eroded much faster because it was an abrasive stony debris flow which catastrophically scoured out that gorge below the falls in a matter of months or even less. 5000 years of clean water over the falls has slightly advanced this.
@@paulbriggs3072 , i'm not sure what you're saying… Just to be clear, I agree with the video, and the video doesn't address how the land level changed so that there would be a waterfall, it talks about the speed at which the fall moved upstream. My thought was if the land rose as the ice melted, it might've broken during that process causing the downstream land level to sink relative to the upstream area. Locally. Of course it's possible the downstream section eroded more quickly, therefore creating a lower land area. Maybe that's what you were getting at... but I wouldn't think that would cause such a high fall.
@@seanvogel8067 I believe the Falls were formed by the flood drainage and not by ice drainage, As to the elevation, the bedrock is sedimentary limestone and massive shale layers from the falls all the way down to Lake Ontario to the north (Kurt at one point, perhaps accidentally says the river drains to Lake Erie but it flows into Ontario) Starting at the shore of Ontario with an elevation of 243 feet above sea level, the land rises southward into New York up a limestone escarpment (the Niagara Escarpment) and more and more elevation gain out of Niagara County into Erie County until at Buffalo its around 600 feet above sea level and neighboring Lake Erie at the entrance to the Niagara River is 569 feet above sea level. All of Central and Western New York State rises in elevation southward right into Pennsylvania. This is a kind of runner up if you will, to the Appalachians south of that. All waterfalls eat backwards into the land they are flowing down from which leaves a downstream gorge and often a curved horseshoe shaped leading edge. If the land constantly rises and the flow is great, they produce higher, longer gorge and plunge pool every year. My opinion is that the whole Great Lakes trough and seaway out the St. Lawrence valley into the Atlantic was formed by epic torrential Flood drainage. Niagara is a tiny leftover trickle from that. New York has well known waterfall rims and plunge pools larger than Niagara that are now extinct, and geologists admit they were formed catastrophically . Two of these are now state parks in the Syracuse area.
@ he said they stoped taking measurements when the power station was built because it used half the water. Below the power station all the water comes together again i assume. So the erosion would be the same as before the station. Not sure how they measure erosion,,but he said in feet.
@ ah yes. My understanding is the measurement he was talking about was the exact place where the water falls down the waterfall. So the actual location of the waterfall is what was moving upstream due to erosion.
@@seanvogel8067 Erosion measurements should be able to be taken anywhere i would think. Upstream or downstream. Again i believe the bible, so it does not need to be proven to me.
Dr. Kurt Wise wrong as usual. Thanks for delivering exactly what we expect from an amateur who does no research. Hello....... Wakey, wakey...... You're about to talk absolute rubbish and make a fool of yourself................ Niagara falls is governmentally controlled and distributes the water between farmers and the falls themselves. The project seeks to find a balance between the maximum amount of water they give to farmers and the need to supply enough water to keep the tourists coming. So naturally Niagara Falls is NOT Eroding Faster Than You Think, it's eroding at the rate man allows it to erode.
Except… In 1910 Ivan Panin, a Russian/ American Harvard math genius and linguistic expert, proved the Bible mathematically. Watch - Math proves the Bible. Most recently a 30 year veteran cold case criminologist J. Warner Wallace proved the Bible forensically in his book, Person of Interest. His testimony would convince any jury of the veracity of the Bible. Some of the amazing things in the Bible include the prophecy of the fall of Tyre and the prophecy of Alexander the great. Bible firsts include knowing life being in the blood long before modern science, or the Bible knowing about mountains and currents in the oceans or how the earth hangs on nothing. You should know about the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus and the impossible odds of that happening. The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that the writings are divine rather than human in origin. The Bible has also been proven archaeologically, historically and linguistically. 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
This one was a good one. Just commenting to help visibility.
I find Dr Wise to be such a blessing and gift to the church in the area of apologetics and a highly scientific analysis of the geologic record. Of course there is a great amount of disagreement even among Christians about these matters, however I have found his diligent use of both Scripture and the scientific method is very enlightening and a strong defense of the integrity of the Bible.
Thank you for sharing. :)
Very informative. I appreciate sharing the scientific information.
🤔The one I'd notice of a possibility from what was presented,🧐is every time the water builds/pounds up their would be a build up of possible water pressure as it bottle necks per volume of what is trying to make it down stream. Adding a bursting a little faster of breaking down the material as it gives way maybe a repeating effect with the seasons or excessive rain fall as well.👍 That type of added to what was said by this gentleman.
👍Thank you for the video.👍
Thank you, Dr. Wise.
God bless you and thank you for all you do ❤️✝️
God's word always proves true 💯💪
I'm here before the atheists lose their minds and swarm the comment section.
Lol ikr
Always fun to watch the disintegration of their evolution belief. 😅
@@technicianbis5250-ig1zd Still being taught in schools and studied in universities all around the world. I wonder why that is?
Oh yeah, because it's a fact!
@@mirandahotspring4019You're Deceived!!!👎
@@mirandahotspring4019All your "schools" are part of this corrupt and wicked world system!!!☹️😵
Thanks. Big fan of creation science
Thank you IGH 🙏🙏🙏✝️ God bless you and give you peace as you proclaim the truth of God's word
Always enjoy Dr. Wise’s biblically based presentations. Keep up the good work.
Reupload? Did TH-cam delete or demonetize it for bogus "copyright" to suppress information that contradicts Big Evo ?
No, they edited out a confusing part where he mispoke the river flow direction.
The falls at Niagara eroded for the past few thousand years over the Horseshoe Falls (wrongly called "Canadian" Falls in this video) with fairly pure water due to Lake Erie above the falls feeding it. Today visitors to Niagara see beautiful blue aqua water in the rapids right to the brink of both falls. But clean water does not erode rock very quickly. The drainage of the flood was an epic catastrophic debris flow filled with eroded rock. Like water with sandpaper. The erosion occurred in months. There are extinct waterfalls in other parts of New York from the same time period. Two State Parks exist in Central New York State in Onondaga County near Syracuse, one east of Syracuse in Fayetteville called Green Lakes State Park, and the other south of Syracuse in Jamesville called James Clark Reservation State Park. The green lakes just spoken of are two ancient waterfall plunge pools in a gorge. James Clark Reservation is a horseshoe falls which was bigger than the Horseshoe Falls at Niagara, with multiple lesser plunge pools nearby. These both formed rapidly and catastrophically and a visit to walk in those state parks is instructive, (Requires two days, one for each park unless you're a maniac). State geologists think they were from glacial floods because they don't believe in THE Flood. But they admit they were catastrophic and rapid. Niagara was formed in the SAME WAY at the SAME TIME by the SAME EVENT. Rapidly, and catastrophically until the Flood subsided, whereupon gentle clear water of far less volume continued until today.
It’s not wrong to call the Horseshoe Falls the Canadian Falls.
@@jjwwqq They are partly in New York State.
Thanks for this, doctor.
As always, well done 😊.
There is no way to calculate time using erosion as a foundation tool. The earth went through cataclysmic events when the crust was divided, it was only about 2/3 of its size and solid rock it the beginning and when it broke the continents drifted apart. The shifting of rock formations at he time it broke are impossible to calculate.
You forgot to explain the millions of years needed for the rock being eroded to form.
There is no evidence for what you are claiming! All the evidence/geology points to very fast (Less than a year) deposition of the sediments that became this rock!
Science shows that fossils form with days or weeks. Fossils don't form over millions of years because of degradation processes.
16:24: thickness of the limestone. Limestone is a sedimentary rock, formed by way of sediment falling to the floor of a previous body of water, accumulating over time, and over time becoming solid rock. What about factoring in THAT part of the process? Adds a lot more time.
Lime does not belong on the continents. It belongs in the oceans. The process that put it on the continents was not a slow settling over millions of years from a calm ocean on top of the land.
@@mmaimmortals It doesn't form quickly.
@@vladtheemailer3223
I just pulled up an article from the USGS website where they identify rapid deposition of lime from a storm around 1993. It can be deposited as quickly as the conditions allow for it.
@@vladtheemailer3223 It can form quickly. It takes sudden enormous physical pressure and sediments to create fossils.
@@vladtheemailer3223 It can form quickly. The empirical science around the fossilization process demonstrates that.
is it possible that the erosion did not begin till much more recently...as glacial waters began to thaw filling the great lakes then creating the spillover channel that created Niagara falls. Can we really tell when that spill over began.? Also, that filled in second channel is very interesting. Something very cataclysmic had to happen to fill in a channel that size. Do we even know if the present channel. was running concurrent with the old channel before it was filled in. There could be an extended period where no water was cascading over the falls if the old channel became filled in and the new channel was not yet providing spill waters. It would be interesting to compare the depth of the old buried channel to the existing channel. Was it deeper than the existing channel. If so, it may have been that at the time of its closing that waters in the great lakes spread out until they reached a height where spillover began again at is current spill over point. Thanks Dr. Wise....it always a pleasure to listen to you.
Just watched this a month ago. New stuff, please
Very interesting!
Was there with my girlfriend months ago and it looks drastically smaller and reduced.
Any time something on earth looks older than 6,000 years, claim God made it already in progress. The mature creation hypothesis works for the creation astronomers, why not the creation geologists? Much simpler than trying to fit billions of years of rock formation into 6,000 years.
Why not just admit that they eroded at a much faster rate than the evolutionists insist that they did?
They can't honestly say that the strata of the starting location of the falls to where they are today. For all anyone knows, maybe the rocks at the no longer present falls area were soft enough to eroded as much as several thousand feet per year.
First of all, no one even hypothesized billions of years for this particular erosion, so your agenda is showing. Secondly, these are all reasonable variables to consider.
C'est une question d'échelle! 1Mètre = 1000 Millimètres! 6000 Ans = X Millions d'années..... 1 jour pour le seigneur = Mille ans pour l'homme.... A étudier! Stéph.
@@SB5SimulationsFerroviairesEEP study the whole bible. You will see that in genesis it clearer says a day is 24hrs
I like this one. It explains why God created already dead plants and animals in progress and all of the geologic processes like volcanoes.
Creation science, all around makes more sense than the myth of evolution, it explains everything more realistically in every aspect, my favorite is the lack of bioturbation in the layers. Charles lyell was an athiest trying to disprove the bible so I wouldnt trust his science as did Catherine in Jerico.
I wanted to like this but... it was already at 316
I wonder if there is evidence that the isostatic rebound actually caused the falls itself to form.
No. What geologists claim caused isostatic rebound is the melting of the glaciers, thus the rise of the bedrock. But this is not the cause. Recently a number of Canadian geologists have published papers in science journals showing (in fact PROVING in my opinion) that debris flows were the cause of all the scouring of most of Canada. Catastrophic debris flows at that. Few are aware of this rising debate in geology which will only increase in years to come. Some quite acrimonious These papers speculate that glacial floods were the origin of all that water and torn out debris, and others put no opinion of the water source, Some suggest it was epic flooding beneath glaciers and others say no, it was too much and thus was beyond glacier edges. But multiple proofs of watery debris flows have been put forward recently, not the least of which is virtually identical formations of boulders, gravel, and convoluted bedrock striations as has been observed in modern large debris flows which have been witnessed by thousands, filmed, and studied in detail by geologists, in Indonesia, the Philippines, Venezuela, California, and Colorado. Also the same in many prehistoric debris flows which were studied and which could have no glacial origin. When one asks a basic question namely, 'Which is heavier- water 2 miles deep, or ice 2 mile thick? The answer is water is 10% heavier. But which is heavier still- water or water filled with stony debris? Obviously, water is only 63 lbs a cubic ft. But add sand and gravel and boulders and you have around twice that depending on the concentration of debris. Some debris flows of mostly stoney material at least 140 lbs a cubic foot have been filmed traveling 30 mph or more. Even this does not entirely answer it. Take any bedrock and quickly scour away a hundred feet off its top surface (places in Canada and the US are missing much more than this!) and what happens is that the heavier-than-ice debris flow is gone, and the now thinner bedrock suddenly floats higher on the earth's mantle and thus the final stages of this rebound is measured. The falls at Niagara were part of the drainage of that flood, and they also eroded much faster because it was an abrasive stony debris flow which catastrophically scoured out that gorge below the falls in a matter of months or even less. 5000 years of clean water over the falls has slightly advanced this.
Add to that movement of large volumes of water can trigger earthquakes and accelerate the apparent erosion.
@@paulbriggs3072 , i'm not sure what you're saying… Just to be clear, I agree with the video, and the video doesn't address how the land level changed so that there would be a waterfall, it talks about the speed at which the fall moved upstream. My thought was if the land rose as the ice melted, it might've broken during that process causing the downstream land level to sink relative to the upstream area. Locally. Of course it's possible the downstream section eroded more quickly, therefore creating a lower land area. Maybe that's what you were getting at... but I wouldn't think that would cause such a high fall.
@@seanvogel8067 I believe the Falls were formed by the flood drainage and not by ice drainage, As to the elevation, the bedrock is sedimentary limestone and massive shale layers from the falls all the way down to Lake Ontario to the north (Kurt at one point, perhaps accidentally says the river drains to Lake Erie but it flows into Ontario) Starting at the shore of Ontario with an elevation of 243 feet above sea level, the land rises southward into New York up a limestone escarpment (the Niagara Escarpment) and more and more elevation gain out of Niagara County into Erie County until at Buffalo its around 600 feet above sea level and neighboring Lake Erie at the entrance to the Niagara River is 569 feet above sea level. All of Central and Western New York State rises in elevation southward right into Pennsylvania. This is a kind of runner up if you will, to the Appalachians south of that. All waterfalls eat backwards into the land they are flowing down from which leaves a downstream gorge and often a curved horseshoe shaped leading edge. If the land constantly rises and the flow is great, they produce higher, longer gorge and plunge pool every year. My opinion is that the whole Great Lakes trough and seaway out the St. Lawrence valley into the Atlantic was formed by epic torrential Flood drainage. Niagara is a tiny leftover trickle from that.
New York has well known waterfall rims and plunge pools larger than Niagara that are now extinct, and geologists admit they were formed catastrophically . Two of these are now state parks in the Syracuse area.
I believe the Bible. However if the measurements were taken below the power stations there would be no time gap, and could still be measured today.
I don't get it. Exactly what measurements would you take?
@ he said they stoped taking measurements when the power station was built because it used half the water. Below the power station all the water comes together again i assume. So the erosion would be the same as before the station. Not sure how they measure erosion,,but he said in feet.
@ ah yes. My understanding is the measurement he was talking about was the exact place where the water falls down the waterfall. So the actual location of the waterfall is what was moving upstream due to erosion.
@ true, but not sure why erosion has to be in measured in one location. But he is just making a point.
@@seanvogel8067 Erosion measurements should be able to be taken anywhere i would think. Upstream or downstream. Again i believe the bible, so it does not need to be proven to me.
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Can someone help me find my brain cells, I lost them in this creationists rabbit hole somewhere.
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Dr. Kurt Wise wrong as usual. Thanks for delivering exactly what we expect from an amateur who does no research.
Hello....... Wakey, wakey...... You're about to talk absolute rubbish and make a fool of yourself................
Niagara falls is governmentally controlled and distributes the water between farmers and the falls themselves. The project seeks to find a balance between the maximum amount of water they give to farmers and the need to supply enough water to keep the tourists coming.
So naturally Niagara Falls is NOT Eroding Faster Than You Think, it's eroding at the rate man allows it to erode.
Hebrew mythology is just mythology and faith through ignorance is just ignorance.
@@jimster7277 what is ignorance to you?
What is faith to you?
Claims by an armchair skeptic are just claims by an armchair skeptic.
Making up pithy aphorisms that make no sense is fun!
Except…
In 1910 Ivan Panin, a Russian/ American Harvard math genius and linguistic expert, proved the Bible mathematically. Watch - Math proves the Bible. Most recently a 30 year veteran cold case criminologist J. Warner Wallace proved the Bible forensically in his book, Person of Interest. His testimony would convince any jury of the veracity of the Bible. Some of the amazing things in the Bible include the prophecy of the fall of Tyre and the prophecy of Alexander the great. Bible firsts include knowing life being in the blood long before modern science, or the Bible knowing about mountains and currents in the oceans or how the earth hangs on nothing. You should know about the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus and the impossible odds of that happening. The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that the writings are divine rather than human in origin. The Bible has also been proven archaeologically, historically and linguistically.
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
That is why we want you to stop putting blind FAITH into the imaginary belief of evolution. Belief in evolution is a definite sign of ignorance.
@sliglusamelius8578 I'm just a born again atheist.
What a lot of nonsense! Warning, wilful ignorance at work here!