7:17 Anduin saying a shit ton of expository dialogue and Garrosh ignoring all of it and basically just saying "Fuck you." *Breaks bell over small child*
the best part about Garrosh as a villain was that you knew exactly what his goals were and you didnt have to read 15 different books to understand his story. Instead of twirling his moustache and plotting 24 different schemes, he would rip your moustache off and spit in your face.
Main problem is that Garrosh as a villain had zero actual buildup compared to Garrosh as a responsible figurehead, so he just comes off as a separate flat villain that has nothing to do with what you see a single expansion earlier.
How did he appear as a simultaneous Blundering Barbarian and as a technical architect Mastermind who was able to reconstruct Goblin and Titan technology to a bunch of Orcish Nomads who were previously stuck in the Iron Age
@@borgri5871 Don't put Cata and WoD in the same shit catorgory as BFA and Shadowlands.. at least the class design wasn't designed for retards in Cata and WoD like it is with those last two Disney expansions, Cata and WoD absolutely shat on BFA and SL
Honestly, The expansions all had their ups, even with the uhh... less than satisfactory ones *cough* BFA and Shadowlands *cough*. WoD was a fun start, but filled with so many broken promises, rushed lore, and mindless grinding. The actual levelup story was fun. But the post game was... lack luster. But it did actually have great moments in between disappointment. Garrosh's death was surprisingly emotional and well done. the end cinimatic in Talador was really well done, and was great on its own. The raids weren't bad on there own, just lack luster. The fun dialog we got between Thrall and his parents. Yrel's early game story was good (rushed the second half, but first half was good). And Grom was surprisingly well written for the mess he was later in. Cata was fun, and had a lot of good ideas. But it bogged down raiding for some people. Sure, the game was more accessible, and proper good gear came from actually forming up raids and doing them properly, but it did implement the mess that was the original lfg and lfr. The lore was also a let down at the end, as killing Deathwing did feel like Thrall stole it from us. BFA, while a let down, actually had good decisions. Sylvanis going evil will always be divisive among fans, but it was foreshadowed as early as Cata. And they never hid the fact she was an antihero at best before that. The story also had good beats, like Saurfang's story. That said, N'zoth felt uneeded. Azhara was horribly shown off. And she didn't get to be the big bad of an expansion, like prior expansions played her out to be. Add in the grind for allied races, which was, in some cases, longer than it needed to be, and you get an expansion that honestly had too much bad to be fun. Which only got to be worse cause it came off Legion, which was an actual fun expansion in both levelup and post game. It had a few minor messups, like giving up our weapons to dealwith Sargarous's blade, but was still fun. And finally, the "cinematics" like Garrosh's second death makes these moments feel... insulting to what they are trying. Honestly, we have seen them do good cinematics, and beautiful cinematics. Hell, people get hyped on expansions because of the promo cinematics. Even expansions that flop get hype rolling because of them. Cata, BfA, Shadowlands, and WoD all have beautiful promo cinematics. Heck, we have seen in game cinematics, like in WoD that, while not as good, made you feel like your journey to get that far was worth it to some degree. These though, which have been used in mass across modern WoW, but really took over in BfA, rob you of it. hell, even BfA gave us more in game cinimatics than Shadowlands. And better ones on top of that. All said, the lore can still be saved through a Star Wars style show. Add in a few details here and there, replace a few let downs with more detailed story, and boom, you can salvage these messes.
@@VA_Nightshade Tbh, Azshara and N'zoth should've been mentioned within Cata not BFA, it just didn't made sense why that arc in expansion. It felt such a mess
If anything, we can see Sylvanas here already indifferent and taking a cynic approach to the Horde and life as well, I suppose. Can't say much about already having the plan in motion, but wouldn't be surprised. Actually, after watching this, doesn't seem that characters were that badly written. Garrosh was here for what, 2-3 xpacs? The others have been here for years, it would be bad writing if they had a linear and stale personality imo. They went through things, experiences. For me it's just a shame that Blizzard features characters in some xpacs and totally 'forget' about their existence in the universe. Like Khadgar, Velen. The world of the living and the dead is hanging by a thread but Khadgar only gives a shit if the threat is the Burning Legion xD
"I answer...to NO ONE!" - Garrosh Hellscream, 2013 And he kept his word to the very fckn end. He did not answer to Thrall, not to Denathrius, not even the Jailer himself, and then went out on his own terms, without apologizing for a single thing. Absolute madlad
I always hated how they ended him off. Completely different character in Mists as opposed to Cataclysm. He had a good story going... From TBC, him hating the name Hellscream and having anything to do with his father, to learning what his father did and became proud of his name, to be taken under Thralls wing in Wrath to becoming the Warchief even though he didn't want to and thought he wasn't ready... He was actually showing a lot of growth in Cata i.e Stonetalon or Silverpine forest. They just completely flipped him around out of nowhere and ruined the lore from there. The story has never been good since and its a shame cause it honestly seems irreversible now.
Agreed. I wouldn't have minded him as a warmonger, anti-Alliance if it was at least somehow consistent with the whole "Redemption of the name Hellscream."
They didnt do right by his character at all, much like most characters. But I think the writers feared that giving the horde a great leader would of made the alliance fanbase call out blizz for more horde bias. Even though they themselves had Varian. I feel each of them would of been proper rivals to each other but no they had to make him basically orc hitler. but hell, new writers, new ideas and well...here we are.
@@BlueShellshock The thing is though, Garrosh, at the end of the day, is indeed a true orc. But many people really failed to realize that a true orc is actually not something they are going to like. What is a true orc? It is someone who values strength above all else, his/her dream is live and die on the battlefield. Sounded romantic until you realize that is a creature that will create war and bloodshed even if a sane mind will likes to simply live. And even uglier side of all this is that the players, as someone who really is only playing a video game, likes to have a boss who will screaming war and brutally murder the other faction. However, the moment the writers tries to add a bit realism on what that actually means, people realized maybe it it doesn't taste so good. What people chalks up as bad writing, is actually people tasting a bit more realism.
TBH I have to congratulate Blizz for being consistent with Garrosh since Pandaria. Sure, Cata Garrosh is different but this ending is really fitting his character. He believed in his cause and died with this conviction. Also, I got to agree. In TBC it was Thrall who told him stories of orcs on Azeroth and who built this orc pride in him, so he was right that it was Thrall who made him. Garrosh is probably one of the best characters in WoW atm.
I agree with you but it is completely subjective.... We both may have liked the fact Garrosh sticked to his conviction to the end.... However, i can already imagine an army of wannabe critics telling us he had "zero character development"....
@@NickStrife I don't have prpblem with lack of it but the fact it didn't matter there was no gap filler between stone talon and pandaria. For an orc who said honour no matter the battle he put honour down the drain by using old God powers and also let's not forget that he attacked Ashenvale. Also before u say thrall taught him that remeber this one line from thrall to garrosh after northrend. It's not the exact quote but Take gorehowl. This was the axe that did great deeds such as killing mannaroth. But it was also the axe that slew the noble cenarious. It is tue wielder that decides who it kills. Make the right choices.
oh man arthas and garrosh have always been my favourite characters, their stubborness to achieve their goals and defend their homelands is unmatched to others, they ended up turning bad but they both have strong charisma and i love that in a leader, sylvanas on the other hand is like a snake, unworthy and always cannot br trusted, she's like a gold digger, follows her personal interests instead of serving her people
That's why i love her, she is real... not tied by morality. I doubt if i would still like her if they redeem her, i loved the ranger general and love the banshee queen but not so sure about a crying ranger general repenting her sins... I hope she'll understand her mistakes and move over, otherwise I'll drop blizz
@@BADR00724 dude, don't be angry. I mean, this is a game... we have the right to indulge in fictional thoughts. If i were to be happy in latam, I'd be the one wielding oppression to those ignorant and fools.
You know, I always hated Sylvanas. Even before it was cool. Everyone told me all these great things about her and how she’s saving her people and herself and all, and I always told them she was just evil… Now look at them. Fools
Yes I can? As a horde player myself he represents none of me. No honor, save in the 2 moments in his life the writers wrote him with it, no common sense, all angry teen with venting and hatred and no real purpose behind it all. He's a child. His soul death was cool and very in character, which is good, but he wasn't that compelling a villain when we had him. And he NEVER represented the Horde. All he represents is what Sylvanes represented when she led. People who want to play a game where they are the cause of suffering in the lives of others. Plenty of people can play bad guys and be good people. I play villain characters all the time in D&D to spice it up. But to INSIST that said characters had values, when Garrosh literally abandoned all of his at the end to drink Old God blood. He is truly of the Horde only in the sense that he was willing to make the same mistake his father did. But unlike Garrosh, Grom, the guy who KICKED CENARIUS' ASS, regretted the demon blood and reflected upon his mistakes. That is what it means to be Horde. Do what needs doing but recognize when it doesn't. Warlords actually did the Horde better then every other expansion before or since with Durotar and his brother.
@@MarkoArillius Yea, just it seems most people don't agree with you.... soo... get the fuck out of the Horde! XD And go play PeaceCraft, because you chosen wrong game with wrong name! XD
@@MarkoArillius If you want to feel like a "Hero" that does all good and no evil, you chose the wrong faction buddy, the days of having the Horde be somewhat "honourable", and by that i mean have as much plot armor as Sylvanas and Jaina, died when Chris Metzen stepped down.
Normally I would be mad they Hyped him up just so they can kill him like this but given the lore I think its for the Best that he went out like a badass
When you go and unlock the Mag'ar Orcs (the pure ones) you go to a time travel experience and have to fight the main antagonist of WoD and MoP and Anacronos who helps you to travel says that sadly this is the most corrupted timeline version of Garrosh. He was the best leader the Horde could had, but on this timeline was the worst version possible.
The game is beyond saving at this point... Azeroth, Blizzard and Commiefornia all need A Great Reset. The Jailer is the one that can make it happen, only then can we even remotely hope for a better game, overhauled and renewed.
A once dear friend of mine told me "Do you think the Garrosh teaser in Ravendreth would live up the hype expectation?" I told him, "Did Shadowlands live up the expectations?".
''You stand before a force beyond reckoning'' ''Your father dabbled in powers beyond reckoning... where is he now? You know the pandaren might've died, but he took a piece of garosh with him right then and there.
Don't forget actively killing off all his allies weakening the horde as a whole because in his mind "Da orcies is bestester and all other races is tiny and not best!"
Hiya Folks! Garrosh “BEST WARCHIEF” Hellscream makes his grand debut after being the Jailer’s battery since WoD only to go out in a blaze of glory…er ashes. Idk, I mean if Sylvanas gets her redemption arc, then Papa Garry deserved his. This is a full tribute of his key moments through old expansions, along with his iconic interactions with Sylvanas, Anduin, Varian, Thrall, Vol’jin, Nazgrim & Jailer Minion#247. RIP Garrosh Did Nothing Wrong.
"Redemption" would destroy his character. We had enough of that with Sylvanas this past expansion, thank you. The only moment I saw a possibility for redemption in Garrosh was when during his trial, after Alexstrasza questioning, when Anduin mocked him by saying "Sure, there is a lot of honor in destroying a defenseless egg" he roared angrily in reply: "I dit kidnap Alexstrasza!", hinting that even though he had allied with the Dragonmaw Clan and he DID find what they had done to the Life-Binder appalling.
The SoO cinematic patch trailer showed just how terrifying Garrosh is, His strength is phenomenal but no one mentions how this dude swung atleast 100+ pound axe 4 times in 2 seconds. I want him as my Warchief.
something I only catched on briefly, he always acted like a child. always. and that's what he was all the time, still a child. While Thrall in this state of orc age was learning (probably going through the entire Warcraft 3 story) Garrosh was basically challenged to govern a horde of thousands of individuals, stay true to his ancestory and his father
These are so cringe, i can't take these serious. With the amount of money Blizzard/ Activison has, you would think at least they would hire some better animators/ screen writers rather than force their kids to do art projects for them.
Nah yeah if it was blizzard yeah it would have been good and well made but activist don't want this they just want to make money and almost killed blizzard in furst place
Well isn't their fault that they have so many "special" turds ready to pay a the price of a modern AAA game and a monthly subscription to their 16year old crap game, why they would waste money on improve their game?
Garrosh: I submit to no one! Not you! Not the Jailer! And not that coward Thrall! FOR THE RACIST HORDE!!!!! Old Gods: But you submit to us! Garrosh: ....... Old Gods: Oh dont feel so bad, nobody can resist us!
wow.... Whomstathunk that garrosh would have been the character to stay the same throughout the entire story and actually end a badass..... after he fucking died alrdy
People say that MoP wasn't in his character... yes it was. The Sha amplified and corrupted his emotions. If Garrosh never went to Pandaria then he would probably still be Warchief to this day.
Deep down Thrall knows that Garrosh's actions are half his fault. Lied to him about his father, made him Warchief when his clearly don't wanted, leaving him without supervision. Thrall was truly a coward toward Garrosh, not only he disrepected a Mak'gora but also the wish in kill Garrosh by himself so desperately just prove that someway, killing him was a way to release him for his shame, not mentioned that he also ignore the decision of all factions about Garrosh's punishment, this deed was not alone for him to decide
Well, no matter what thoughts people have on Garrosh... we can now all say he that he died (again?) as he lived... belligerent and angry... and also mad at Thrall.
Coulda done so much with something where he just wants to carry on that legacy of redemption and striving forward that his father and thrall did respectively only to make mistakes because he wasnt quite ready. Leading to him having to grow as a leader for the horde rather then just be evil.
@Jau Martinez one part modern blizz making him seem more evil by not having a concession the other part him saying it was on thrall for putting him in the position
He’d already died, and knew that if he died then it would mean complete erasure. Regardless, he still decided to go out doing the one thing he ever cared for, the one thing he took pride in with all of his being; he gave one last fight for the horde he loved so dearly
Garrosh had flaws but what he was good at was being a great warrior and commanding forces on the battlefield, but he wasn't fit for being warchief. He even told Thrall it was a bad idea to make him warchief before Thrall took off. They did him dirty, truly my favourite character next to Varian. The two warriors chads of each faction.
I have so many questions. Do anyone else remember that Stonetalon Mountains quest in Cataclysm where Garrosh acted all benevolent, honorable and mercyful? Because if he is willing to do the same all over again, that event alone would be counterproductive. And didn't Garrosh died in alternate Draenor? Does that mean that the multiverse deaths goes all to the same afterlife? We should be having three Blackhands then. The classic one, the alternate Draenor and the one from the Warcraft film.
Great job and a great memorie of Garrosh Now if Slyvanas would finaly be over with too that would be great. To be fair i would love to see Garrosh be the new Arbiter..judging everyone :D
Garrosh was always a chump, a short sighted asshole with a one track mind, but also a massive hypocrit. Know who the real hero is in this video? Nazgrim, who held honor full on, sacrificing himself for what he deemed right, no double standards.
"You allowed WARLOCKS to work under Orgrimmar!" * literally 1 minute later * "I twisted the elements with my evil DARK SHAMANS!" >: D _Oh Garrosh._ Not the brightest bulb in the shed, but always the most confident in his own actions. Weird that you didn't put these in any discernable order.
Well they just hate warlocks in general. Plus who wouldn't want twist the elements. You could control the weather and not have to worry about it getting to hot or to cold
I love the viking show one of my favorite lines was live by your choices own them and no regrets. This is a line for personal responsibility and that you need to move forward not always living in the past trying to get forgiveness for what has happened. It ask not to say sorry or ask for forgiveness. To me this saying is do not say srry be better live to be a better person then you were before then their is no need for regret because you are actively becoming a better person
So slyvanas was right then? We have no choice or free will. In life we are being dictated as how to live subjected to the constraints of do’s and the don’ts and in the after life the covenant scumbags dictate how we get to spend our after life. You can’t exist and believe in your convictions because if you did you are then perceived as “unrepentant” and if you try, you will end like Garrosh..
I would've loved that Bliizzard didn't waste such a good character, i think they could've made him a battle hungry warchief at the beginning of his reign, and in Legión thrall should have died, the same way Varyan did, with this sacrifice Garrosh could've learn patience and wisdom, maybe taking Thrall's son under his wing, teaching the kid how to be strong and wise, like his father.
All these people saying "RIP" in the comments section are nonbelievers. Garrosh does not die, he simply takes a vacation so his enemies have time to prepare for his return.
We'll see him again in the expansions where we go to Super-Hell. He will then die again and we will have to go to Mega-Hell to kill him again so we can find him in Giga-Hell later.
Garrosh is by far the best warchief the horde has had the honor of having and also best character in the game. Compared to Sylvannas, garrosh attitude and decisions have always been for the best interest for his people. Sylvannas is basically the Sasuke of WoW. No matter what, she always finds a reason to hate and destroy. Wanna kill the lich king? Build your own army and commit genocide against both factions just to satisfy your revenge. Lich king dead? Join the horde as if nothing ever happened and find a way to destroy the alliance. Legion comes around? Join the alliance to fight side by side against the legion, thus succeeding but now you hate the “living”. You find out about Azerithe? Use this to empower yourself to fight the alliance by committing genocide on the night elves because “for the horde” but in the process betray the horde and every living being because “fuck the living, I’m a banshee and am suffering so let me make everyone suffer like I am” and when the horde don’t support you as much anymore you break off as soon as the opportunity presents itself and you join the jailer to punish all souls because you suffered in the past, and even though Arthas has been killed and now his soul suffers in the Maw you still want to kill everyone else because ??? Sasuke moment ???
@15:30 Blame Tharll for allowing warlocks to practice dark magics right under their feet, but a minute later @16:30 ordered his dark shaman to twist and torture elements for miles around.
He was spared so he could stand trial for his crimes in Pandaria. Unfortunately before he was sentenced he was rescued by a few of his remaining allies and a bronze dragon who sent him back in time to Dreanor. Then he went on to give a massive technology upgrade to the orcs there and stop them drinking the demon blood and unified them as one clan. That didn't work out the way he wanted though and he was defeated by Thrall in a Makgora.
garrosh returned, only to be experiencing so much cringe at the state of the lore the moment he reappeared ingame, to the point he willfully erased himself from existence, not even giving thrall, his mother, and grom an chance to meet him speaking about grom... what an wasted chance to bring him back, even if only temporary, he was never seen in WoW outside an flashback during tbc horde questing experience on nagrand, and that was enough to enable garrosh into what he has become, leading to the sha of pride making him an unaware pawn of the old gods for the rest of his existence starting in mists, despite the threat against his life saurfang gave him at the beginning of wrath
I’m disappointed that you didn’t add in the original Garrosh voice where he tells her to watch her cleaver mouth, bitch. That scene alone was the baddest ass thing WoW has ever done. I was shocked.
17:00 You kidding me boy Thrall fought side by side with the real Hellscream and learned from Doomhammer. He's seen both hellscreams and warchiefs greater than you.
Garrosh was a damn fool, he really thought the Horde he took over from Thrall got there all by orcish hands alone. He really thought the other Horde races contributed nothing and were not "true Horde" and wanted them gone. It's like saying the war was won by only the Army and that the Navy, the Air force, the workers churning out all the equipment and supplies back home, they all did not fight on the Frontlines and therefore contributed nothing to the victory and do not serve to be honored and memorialized.
this is the new "woke" blizz if garrosh had been left in the game they would have made him trans or nonbinary but instead he is full of "male toxicity" and had to be removed
@@wadewilson5712 Oh don't worry, they will still retcon Anduin to be the first trans-orc that will lead the Horde. What else can we expect Commiefornia's Bi-Lizzard.
As an Orc Garrosh was fine as a character and him being Orc only makes sense, but I as a Troll and saw how he treated the Trolls and didn't accept anyone who wasn't an Orc when history has shown in the past that will fail as it always had that if the Horde was Orc only it would fail and I couldn't stand by and let the Horde, the true Horde fall apart because an Orc refuses to work with others
![Illidan Returns & Kills Gul’dan: Archimonde vs. Kil'jaeden - All Cinematics [20 years of WoW]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1VILvOpn2w4/mqdefault.jpg)
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Anduin saying a shit ton of expository dialogue and Garrosh ignoring all of it and basically just saying "Fuck you." *Breaks bell over small child*
What a chad
Garrosh was the unsung MVP of MoP, and quite honestly, of the Horde in general.
Please garrosh video :3
May the "FUB" ring vicotorious. Plat, you are the best of the best.
Anduin: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Garrosh: How about BONK
the best part about Garrosh as a villain was that you knew exactly what his goals were and you didnt have to read 15 different books to understand his story. Instead of twirling his moustache and plotting 24 different schemes, he would rip your moustache off and spit in your face.
Main problem is that Garrosh as a villain had zero actual buildup compared to Garrosh as a responsible figurehead, so he just comes off as a separate flat villain that has nothing to do with what you see a single expansion earlier.
How did he appear as a simultaneous Blundering Barbarian and as a technical architect Mastermind who was able to reconstruct Goblin and Titan technology to a bunch of Orcish Nomads who were previously stuck in the Iron Age
Even in the Afterlife He never broke and went out like a True Warrior what a Chad 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Sums up Shadowlands pretty nicely.
A lot of hype and expectations and all we get is pile of dust.
cata, warlords, and bfa: first time?
@@borgri5871 First time WoW actually showed us what we ended up with, instead of leaving the 'joy' of discovery to us.
@@borgri5871 Don't put Cata and WoD in the same shit catorgory as BFA and Shadowlands.. at least the class design wasn't designed for retards in Cata and WoD like it is with those last two Disney expansions, Cata and WoD absolutely shat on BFA and SL
Honestly, The expansions all had their ups, even with the uhh... less than satisfactory ones *cough* BFA and Shadowlands *cough*.
WoD was a fun start, but filled with so many broken promises, rushed lore, and mindless grinding. The actual levelup story was fun. But the post game was... lack luster. But it did actually have great moments in between disappointment. Garrosh's death was surprisingly emotional and well done. the end cinimatic in Talador was really well done, and was great on its own. The raids weren't bad on there own, just lack luster. The fun dialog we got between Thrall and his parents. Yrel's early game story was good (rushed the second half, but first half was good). And Grom was surprisingly well written for the mess he was later in.
Cata was fun, and had a lot of good ideas. But it bogged down raiding for some people. Sure, the game was more accessible, and proper good gear came from actually forming up raids and doing them properly, but it did implement the mess that was the original lfg and lfr. The lore was also a let down at the end, as killing Deathwing did feel like Thrall stole it from us.
BFA, while a let down, actually had good decisions. Sylvanis going evil will always be divisive among fans, but it was foreshadowed as early as Cata. And they never hid the fact she was an antihero at best before that. The story also had good beats, like Saurfang's story. That said, N'zoth felt uneeded. Azhara was horribly shown off. And she didn't get to be the big bad of an expansion, like prior expansions played her out to be. Add in the grind for allied races, which was, in some cases, longer than it needed to be, and you get an expansion that honestly had too much bad to be fun. Which only got to be worse cause it came off Legion, which was an actual fun expansion in both levelup and post game. It had a few minor messups, like giving up our weapons to dealwith Sargarous's blade, but was still fun.
And finally, the "cinematics" like Garrosh's second death makes these moments feel... insulting to what they are trying. Honestly, we have seen them do good cinematics, and beautiful cinematics. Hell, people get hyped on expansions because of the promo cinematics. Even expansions that flop get hype rolling because of them. Cata, BfA, Shadowlands, and WoD all have beautiful promo cinematics. Heck, we have seen in game cinematics, like in WoD that, while not as good, made you feel like your journey to get that far was worth it to some degree. These though, which have been used in mass across modern WoW, but really took over in BfA, rob you of it. hell, even BfA gave us more in game cinimatics than Shadowlands. And better ones on top of that.
All said, the lore can still be saved through a Star Wars style show. Add in a few details here and there, replace a few let downs with more detailed story, and boom, you can salvage these messes.
@@VA_Nightshade Tbh, Azshara and N'zoth should've been mentioned within Cata not BFA, it just didn't made sense why that arc in expansion. It felt such a mess
Whoever thought about garrosh going out this way needs a raise. Garrosh truly is the true warchief of horde.
The animation sucked. He deserved better. RIP Warchief
@@cryptofud3161 unfortunate they just had that new cinematic engine for 9.2
That Sylvanas and Tyrande cinematic scene was amazing.
At least one of the char stick to his personality to the very end, but quality of the animations, my god, looks bad even for an incomplete material.
If anything, we can see Sylvanas here already indifferent and taking a cynic approach to the Horde and life as well, I suppose. Can't say much about already having the plan in motion, but wouldn't be surprised.
Actually, after watching this, doesn't seem that characters were that badly written. Garrosh was here for what, 2-3 xpacs?
The others have been here for years, it would be bad writing if they had a linear and stale personality imo. They went through things, experiences. For me it's just a shame that Blizzard features characters in some xpacs and totally 'forget' about their existence in the universe. Like Khadgar, Velen. The world of the living and the dead is hanging by a thread but Khadgar only gives a shit if the threat is the Burning Legion xD
aside from the that part in Stonetalon, where he claims not to be murderer and is honorable then went and committed warcrimes lol.
@@cazabrow1967 shhh shhh lokgay ogar
Let's hope a content creator decides to remake this in HD like other cinematics
I don't think you understand what "incomplete" means.
In the end he died like ork must do, screaming For the Horde
Kinda sums up the Orc life span. Although it did take Saurfang more than the average.
Saurfang went out like a progrebitxh with that For Azeroth shit
They literally hyped us for him, but then he disenchanted him self ????
Blizzard Activison 101
I mean - the cutscene was just poorly put together. a good cutscene with this would have been great.
Garrosh deleted himself before Blizz had a chance to "fix him with redemption arc"
He outplayed the writers.
Yeah i don't know how they ruined such a good exp in one patch. Castle nathria will never be topped in shadowlands
well at least i can use him in my crusader encahnt
The last Warchief, Lok'tar!
If they allowed me to in game, I would have stood there with Garrosh during the siege.
We got the Sylvanas loyalist questline but no Garrosh loyalist questline. Sad face.
Work, work
I just wish Vol'jin was allowed to be a Warchief...
"I answer...to NO ONE!" - Garrosh Hellscream, 2013
And he kept his word to the very fckn end. He did not answer to Thrall, not to Denathrius, not even the Jailer himself, and then went out on his own terms, without apologizing for a single thing. Absolute madlad
I always hated how they ended him off. Completely different character in Mists as opposed to Cataclysm. He had a good story going... From TBC, him hating the name Hellscream and having anything to do with his father, to learning what his father did and became proud of his name, to be taken under Thralls wing in Wrath to becoming the Warchief even though he didn't want to and thought he wasn't ready... He was actually showing a lot of growth in Cata i.e Stonetalon or Silverpine forest. They just completely flipped him around out of nowhere and ruined the lore from there. The story has never been good since and its a shame cause it honestly seems irreversible now.
Agreed. I wouldn't have minded him as a warmonger, anti-Alliance if it was at least somehow consistent with the whole "Redemption of the name Hellscream."
I agree, but I also liked the idea of him being corrupted by Sha in Pandaria.
@@darthrevan4376 If his turn to darkness was after encounteirng Sha but really Garrosh was diffrent from the first cenematic of Mists.
They didnt do right by his character at all, much like most characters. But I think the writers feared that giving the horde a great leader would of made the alliance fanbase call out blizz for more horde bias. Even though they themselves had Varian. I feel each of them would of been proper rivals to each other but no they had to make him basically orc hitler. but hell, new writers, new ideas and well...here we are.
@@BlueShellshock The thing is though, Garrosh, at the end of the day, is indeed a true orc. But many people really failed to realize that a true orc is actually not something they are going to like.
What is a true orc? It is someone who values strength above all else, his/her dream is live and die on the battlefield. Sounded romantic until you realize that is a creature that will create war and bloodshed even if a sane mind will likes to simply live.
And even uglier side of all this is that the players, as someone who really is only playing a video game, likes to have a boss who will screaming war and brutally murder the other faction. However, the moment the writers tries to add a bit realism on what that actually means, people realized maybe it it doesn't taste so good. What people chalks up as bad writing, is actually people tasting a bit more realism.
TBH I have to congratulate Blizz for being consistent with Garrosh since Pandaria. Sure, Cata Garrosh is different but this ending is really fitting his character. He believed in his cause and died with this conviction. Also, I got to agree. In TBC it was Thrall who told him stories of orcs on Azeroth and who built this orc pride in him, so he was right that it was Thrall who made him.
Garrosh is probably one of the best characters in WoW atm.
I agree with you but it is completely subjective....
We both may have liked the fact Garrosh sticked to his conviction to the end.... However, i can already imagine an army of wannabe critics telling us he had "zero character development"....
@@NickStrife I don't have prpblem with lack of it but the fact it didn't matter there was no gap filler between stone talon and pandaria. For an orc who said honour no matter the battle he put honour down the drain by using old God powers and also let's not forget that he attacked Ashenvale. Also before u say thrall taught him that remeber this one line from thrall to garrosh after northrend. It's not the exact quote but
Take gorehowl. This was the axe that did great deeds such as killing mannaroth. But it was also the axe that slew the noble cenarious. It is tue wielder that decides who it kills. Make the right choices.
LOL
25:48 this is the Garrosh we all wish we kept
oh man arthas and garrosh have always been my favourite characters, their stubborness to achieve their goals and defend their homelands is unmatched to others, they ended up turning bad but they both have strong charisma and i love that in a leader, sylvanas on the other hand is like a snake, unworthy and always cannot br trusted, she's like a gold digger, follows her personal interests instead of serving her people
Always saw Garrosh as Orc-Arthas. Very similar in many ways.
That's why i love her, she is real... not tied by morality. I doubt if i would still like her if they redeem her, i loved the ranger general and love the banshee queen but not so sure about a crying ranger general repenting her sins... I hope she'll understand her mistakes and move over, otherwise I'll drop blizz
@@edwardaraujo7399metaphore
@@BADR00724 dude, don't be angry. I mean, this is a game... we have the right to indulge in fictional thoughts. If i were to be happy in latam, I'd be the one wielding oppression to those ignorant and fools.
You know, I always hated Sylvanas. Even before it was cool. Everyone told me all these great things about her and how she’s saving her people and herself and all, and I always told them she was just evil…
Now look at them. Fools
Despite all the wrongs Garrosh did, you cannot deny the fact that he's a TRUE horde to the end. RIP Garrosh, warchief of the horde.
Lok'tar Ogar.
Yes I can? As a horde player myself he represents none of me. No honor, save in the 2 moments in his life the writers wrote him with it, no common sense, all angry teen with venting and hatred and no real purpose behind it all. He's a child. His soul death was cool and very in character, which is good, but he wasn't that compelling a villain when we had him. And he NEVER represented the Horde. All he represents is what Sylvanes represented when she led. People who want to play a game where they are the cause of suffering in the lives of others.
Plenty of people can play bad guys and be good people. I play villain characters all the time in D&D to spice it up. But to INSIST that said characters had values, when Garrosh literally abandoned all of his at the end to drink Old God blood.
He is truly of the Horde only in the sense that he was willing to make the same mistake his father did. But unlike Garrosh, Grom, the guy who KICKED CENARIUS' ASS, regretted the demon blood and reflected upon his mistakes. That is what it means to be Horde. Do what needs doing but recognize when it doesn't. Warlords actually did the Horde better then every other expansion before or since with Durotar and his brother.
Being horde means you stand up for your brothers, not exclude them from the horde.
Yeah, bad guys just wanna make their factions great again.
@@MarkoArillius Yea, just it seems most people don't agree with you.... soo... get the fuck out of the Horde! XD And go play PeaceCraft, because you chosen wrong game with wrong name! XD
@@MarkoArillius If you want to feel like a "Hero" that does all good and no evil, you chose the wrong faction buddy, the days of having the Horde be somewhat "honourable", and by that i mean have as much plot armor as Sylvanas and Jaina, died when Chris Metzen stepped down.
Normally I would be mad they Hyped him up just so they can kill him like this but given the lore I think its for the Best that he went out like a badass
A Hellscream has no place in the orwellian dystopia that is Shadowlands.
One of Wows biggest Chads has fallen today... May he rest in peace, for the Horde!
Is Chad a word meaning idiot?
@@Turai12 it's a word used by dorks to hide their own dorkiness
When you go and unlock the Mag'ar Orcs (the pure ones) you go to a time travel experience and have to fight the main antagonist of WoD and MoP and Anacronos who helps you to travel says that sadly this is the most corrupted timeline version of Garrosh. He was the best leader the Horde could had, but on this timeline was the worst version possible.
The game is beyond saving at this point... Azeroth, Blizzard and Commiefornia all need A Great Reset. The Jailer is the one that can make it happen, only then can we even remotely hope for a better game, overhauled and renewed.
@@musicdamar583 it is something we all hope for, as Legion brought back wow to live after Draenor. We can only hope
@@musicdamar583 yawn
@Holo Lives Matter you fight the echo of Gul dan and Garrosh in order to fix some time discrepancies. And one more warlord that I dont remember
@@musicdamar583 blizzard is dead, give up.
A once dear friend of mine told me "Do you think the Garrosh teaser in Ravendreth would live up the hype expectation?"
I told him, "Did Shadowlands live up the expectations?".
10 bucks says this convo never happened
@@TheAwesomoe Your point?
@@bobo-xb7yt That it didn't happen.
@@mikemiken1963 Cant argue with that then, no one's really entitled to believe anyone on the internet anyways
Yawn
26:49 your words cut deep, deeper than any blade.
I love how Garrosh was like "YOU MADE ME WARCHIEF" when he actually tried to fight Thrall in a Mak'Gora at the beginning of Wrath.
Always wanted to see Garrosh Hellscream again.
''You stand before a force beyond reckoning''
''Your father dabbled in powers beyond reckoning... where is he now?
You know the pandaren might've died, but he took a piece of garosh with him right then and there.
"Honor. No matter how dire the battle, never forsake it"
*proceeds to bomb theramore, attempt genocides and use old God powers*
To be fair Theramore wasn't really neutral...
@@TheMarko33 Obviously, but it was a mana nuke lol
Don't forget actively killing off all his allies weakening the horde as a whole because in his mind "Da orcies is bestester and all other races is tiny and not best!"
@@Athelarius Sure, Sylvanas isn't Garrosh lol
But that doesn't make Garrosh any better than he is
@@TheTheschuhschuh and how it is different from like using huge aoe magic. Theramore was a military outpost at the time and there were no civilians.
this video is very beutifully edited! It was lovely to watch!
Garrosh isn’t truly gone. I don’t belive it. He’s going to show up with N’zoth at some point and its going to be epic.
I just have to believe.
25:56 that kinda rings a bell doesn't it, Tyrande?
Always sad when the soul itself is destroyed, it's the Final Death, but at least Garrosh went out on his own terms, taking his enemy with him.
Hiya Folks! Garrosh “BEST WARCHIEF” Hellscream makes his grand debut after being the Jailer’s battery since WoD only to go out in a blaze of glory…er ashes.
Idk, I mean if Sylvanas gets her redemption arc, then Papa Garry deserved his. This is a full tribute of his key moments through old expansions, along with his iconic interactions with Sylvanas, Anduin, Varian, Thrall, Vol’jin, Nazgrim & Jailer Minion#247.
RIP Garrosh Did Nothing Wrong.
Rip daddy issues warchief
"Redemption" would destroy his character. We had enough of that with Sylvanas this past expansion, thank you.
The only moment I saw a possibility for redemption in Garrosh was when during his trial, after Alexstrasza questioning, when Anduin mocked him by saying "Sure, there is a lot of honor in destroying a defenseless egg" he roared angrily in reply: "I dit kidnap Alexstrasza!", hinting that even though he had allied with the Dragonmaw Clan and he DID find what they had done to the Life-Binder appalling.
The SoO cinematic patch trailer showed just how terrifying Garrosh is, His strength is phenomenal but no one mentions how this dude swung atleast 100+ pound axe 4 times in 2 seconds. I want him as my Warchief.
Nice editing
This was beautifully well done!!! Kudos!!!!
something I only catched on briefly, he always acted like a child. always. and that's what he was all the time, still a child. While Thrall in this state of orc age was learning (probably going through the entire Warcraft 3 story) Garrosh was basically challenged to govern a horde of thousands of individuals, stay true to his ancestory and his father
"For the horde" man, even the horde had to clean his mess. "you made me what i am" after hearing so much about him getting his own destiny/choice...
okay the quote "your father dabbled in things beyond reckoning" still gives me chills
These are so cringe, i can't take these serious. With the amount of money Blizzard/ Activison has, you would think at least they would hire some better animators/ screen writers rather than force their kids to do art projects for them.
Nah yeah if it was blizzard yeah it would have been good and well made but activist don't want this they just want to make money and almost killed blizzard in furst place
Yawn
Well isn't their fault that they have so many "special" turds ready to pay a the price of a modern AAA game and a monthly subscription to their 16year old crap game, why they would waste money on improve their game?
RIP Garrosh Hellscream
"AND I'LL FUCKIN DO IT AGAIN" -Garrosh's final words.
A character so angry that it is surprising his blood pressure did not kill him before Thrall.
Garrosh Hellscream, you will forever remain my war chief. May your soul never rest and forever lead us in battle
23:58 Garrosh “YOU MADE ME WHAT I AM!”
Thrall “No U.”
*ZAP*
Great mouth animation, as I would expect from a small indie company as Blizzard...
There are literally raid markers place holding characters. It's not done. Not that it will be MUCH better, but the mouths will work.
Thats my Warchief. I proudly wear his shoulderpads.
Garrosh: I submit to no one! Not you! Not the Jailer! And not that coward Thrall! FOR THE RACIST HORDE!!!!!
Old Gods: But you submit to us!
Garrosh: .......
Old Gods: Oh dont feel so bad, nobody can resist us!
Y'shaarj : I can feel your essence. So sweet.
He didn't submit, he was using their powers for his own end. He was never under the Old Gods' control.
“GARROSH DID NOTHING WRONG”
Also garrosh:
...Still did nothing wrong
Garrosh: you face a force beyond reckonning
Panda(forgot his name): your father handle power beyond reckonning...where is he
Goddamn I miss that son of a bitch. I hope he returns I want to see how he reacts to how the horde is now.
Lok'tar ogar.
Good to see his story got closure...6 years after getting closure.
25:01 one of the most badass speeches in Warcraft
27:24 of an actual good character that doesnt make you refund the game
wow.... Whomstathunk that garrosh would have been the character to stay the same throughout the entire story and actually end a badass..... after he fucking died alrdy
Garrosh deserved better. he was one of the best characters in wow and now he gone for good such a shame
People say that MoP wasn't in his character... yes it was. The Sha amplified and corrupted his emotions. If Garrosh never went to Pandaria then he would probably still be Warchief to this day.
So yea.. Garrosh is just a good villian thanks to his simplicity.
Deep down Thrall knows that Garrosh's actions are half his fault. Lied to him about his father, made him Warchief when his clearly don't wanted, leaving him without supervision. Thrall was truly a coward toward Garrosh, not only he disrepected a Mak'gora but also the wish in kill Garrosh by himself so desperately just prove that someway, killing him was a way to release him for his shame, not mentioned that he also ignore the decision of all factions about Garrosh's punishment, this deed was not alone for him to decide
Well, no matter what thoughts people have on Garrosh... we can now all say he that he died (again?) as he lived... belligerent and angry... and also mad at Thrall.
13:11 OGs remember “Gamon the Barfly of Orgrimmar.” 🥴
Coulda done so much with something where he just wants to carry on that legacy of redemption and striving forward that his father and thrall did respectively only to make mistakes because he wasnt quite ready. Leading to him having to grow as a leader for the horde rather then just be evil.
@Jau Martinez turning a baddass into another “oh no I fell to corruption and now I’m a raid boss.” Is gay.
@Jau Martinez one part modern blizz making him seem more evil by not having a concession the other part him saying it was on thrall for putting him in the position
For the TRUE horde. Lokthar ogar Warchief Garrosh Hellscream !
He’d already died, and knew that if he died then it would mean complete erasure. Regardless, he still decided to go out doing the one thing he ever cared for, the one thing he took pride in with all of his being; he gave one last fight for the horde he loved so dearly
Garrosh had flaws but what he was good at was being a great warrior and commanding forces on the battlefield, but he wasn't fit for being warchief. He even told Thrall it was a bad idea to make him warchief before Thrall took off. They did him dirty, truly my favourite character next to Varian. The two warriors chads of each faction.
Garrosh hellscream was my favourite orcs character
I quit shadowlands way before 9.1 but that was a FeelsGoodMan moment with HellScream.
I have so many questions.
Do anyone else remember that Stonetalon Mountains quest in Cataclysm where Garrosh acted all benevolent, honorable and mercyful? Because if he is willing to do the same all over again, that event alone would be counterproductive.
And didn't Garrosh died in alternate Draenor? Does that mean that the multiverse deaths goes all to the same afterlife? We should be having three Blackhands then. The classic one, the alternate Draenor and the one from the Warcraft film.
and sylvanas running around for her gay redemption arc kek
Great job and a great memorie of Garrosh
Now if Slyvanas would finaly be over with too that would be great.
To be fair i would love to see Garrosh be the new Arbiter..judging everyone :D
I will never stop thinking we'll meet him again.
Garrosh was always a chump, a short sighted asshole with a one track mind, but also a massive hypocrit.
Know who the real hero is in this video? Nazgrim, who held honor full on, sacrificing himself for what he deemed right, no double standards.
"You allowed WARLOCKS to work under Orgrimmar!"
* literally 1 minute later *
"I twisted the elements with my evil DARK SHAMANS!" >: D
_Oh Garrosh._ Not the brightest bulb in the shed, but always the most confident in his own actions. Weird that you didn't put these in any discernable order.
Well they just hate warlocks in general. Plus who wouldn't want twist the elements. You could control the weather and not have to worry about it getting to hot or to cold
Traitors pledging their allegiance to demons and gigachads dominating the elements *for the horde*. He was confident because he was right.
@@SonicAF jesus tell me you don't know the lore without telling me you don't know the lore
TH-cam comments at their finest.
He did everything right
Glory to the Orcish Horde!!
I love the viking show one of my favorite lines was live by your choices own them and no regrets. This is a line for personal responsibility and that you need to move forward not always living in the past trying to get forgiveness for what has happened. It ask not to say sorry or ask for forgiveness. To me this saying is do not say srry be better live to be a better person then you were before then their is no need for regret because you are actively becoming a better person
He died? can you die in afterlife? What's the point of Shadowlands then?
Redemption, you can keep living and helping keep balance in the afterlife if you answer for your sins
to dress up for the tea party
To continue to exist as a conscious individual, immortal in the afterlife.
But in death you can still die? Does the shadowlands have a shadowlands just us being mortal we can never (probably) go to the sub shadowlands?
So slyvanas was right then? We have no choice or free will. In life we are being dictated as how to live subjected to the constraints of do’s and the don’ts and in the after life the covenant scumbags dictate how we get to spend our after life. You can’t exist and believe in your convictions because if you did you are then perceived as “unrepentant” and if you try, you will end like Garrosh..
I would've loved that Bliizzard didn't waste such a good character, i think they could've made him a battle hungry warchief at the beginning of his reign, and in Legión thrall should have died, the same way Varyan did, with this sacrifice Garrosh could've learn patience and wisdom, maybe taking Thrall's son under his wing, teaching the kid how to be strong and wise, like his father.
All these people saying "RIP" in the comments section are nonbelievers. Garrosh does not die, he simply takes a vacation so his enemies have time to prepare for his return.
We'll see him again in the expansions where we go to Super-Hell. He will then die again and we will have to go to Mega-Hell to kill him again so we can find him in Giga-Hell later.
Still a better ending than Arthas got.
Yes
yeah i mean it was a good ending in SL if you get over the abhorrent animation
Bold of you to assume this is his final death xD
Garrosh is by far the best warchief the horde has had the honor of having and also best character in the game. Compared to Sylvannas, garrosh attitude and decisions have always been for the best interest for his people. Sylvannas is basically the Sasuke of WoW. No matter what, she always finds a reason to hate and destroy. Wanna kill the lich king? Build your own army and commit genocide against both factions just to satisfy your revenge. Lich king dead? Join the horde as if nothing ever happened and find a way to destroy the alliance. Legion comes around? Join the alliance to fight side by side against the legion, thus succeeding but now you hate the “living”. You find out about Azerithe? Use this to empower yourself to fight the alliance by committing genocide on the night elves because “for the horde” but in the process betray the horde and every living being because “fuck the living, I’m a banshee and am suffering so let me make everyone suffer like I am” and when the horde don’t support you as much anymore you break off as soon as the opportunity presents itself and you join the jailer to punish all souls because you suffered in the past, and even though Arthas has been killed and now his soul suffers in the Maw you still want to kill everyone else because ??? Sasuke moment ???
For the Horde
My true war chief
Where do you go after afterlife? Afterafterlife? The void? Gotta make a new expansion about Garrosh fight against those damn voidlords.
@15:30 Blame Tharll for allowing warlocks to practice dark magics right under their feet, but a minute later @16:30 ordered his dark shaman to twist and torture elements for miles around.
aWEsome writing, as expected from new blizzard
Damn...that's my warchief
One of the very best wow characters...
Awesome compilation. I did not understand his appearance in Draenor though. Did he not die in Pandaria xpac? Or did he come back for Draenor?
He was spared so he could stand trial for his crimes in Pandaria. Unfortunately before he was sentenced he was rescued by a few of his remaining allies and a bronze dragon who sent him back in time to Dreanor. Then he went on to give a massive technology upgrade to the orcs there and stop them drinking the demon blood and unified them as one clan. That didn't work out the way he wanted though and he was defeated by Thrall in a Makgora.
I miss Garrosh. Bring him the fuck back Blizzard! He was the best villain in my opinion.
garrosh returned, only to be experiencing so much cringe at the state of the lore the moment he reappeared ingame, to the point he willfully erased himself from existence, not even giving thrall, his mother, and grom an chance to meet him
speaking about grom... what an wasted chance to bring him back, even if only temporary, he was never seen in WoW outside an flashback during tbc horde questing experience on nagrand, and that was enough to enable garrosh into what he has become, leading to the sha of pride making him an unaware pawn of the old gods for the rest of his existence starting in mists, despite the threat against his life saurfang gave him at the beginning of wrath
Garrosh did nothing wrong!
What a man this garrosh !!!
I’m disappointed that you didn’t add in the original Garrosh voice where he tells her to watch her cleaver mouth, bitch. That scene alone was the baddest ass thing WoW has ever done. I was shocked.
Blizzard-Activision can't hurt you anymore.
I hope that Voljin will return.. so i can play again
17:00 You kidding me boy Thrall fought side by side with the real Hellscream and learned from Doomhammer. He's seen both hellscreams and warchiefs greater than you.
Did he realy die and this is the end of Garosh story wtf??
Garrosh was a damn fool, he really thought the Horde he took over from Thrall got there all by orcish hands alone. He really thought the other Horde races contributed nothing and were not "true Horde" and wanted them gone. It's like saying the war was won by only the Army and that the Navy, the Air force, the workers churning out all the equipment and supplies back home, they all did not fight on the Frontlines and therefore contributed nothing to the victory and do not serve to be honored and memorialized.
Garrosh Hellscream, the Megatron of Wow.
So they can kill Garrosh but Sylvanas must be redemed? Blizzard has passed from poor fantasy narrative to insult their players with its stories
this is the new "woke" blizz if garrosh had been left in the game they would have made him trans or nonbinary but instead he is full of "male toxicity" and had to be removed
@@wadewilson5712 Oh don't worry, they will still retcon Anduin to be the first trans-orc that will lead the Horde. What else can we expect Commiefornia's Bi-Lizzard.
@@musicdamar583 i half expect them to make him bi and get stuffed by wrathion
All hail the TRUE Warchief of the Horde. #GarroshDidNothingWrong
As an Orc Garrosh was fine as a character and him being Orc only makes sense, but I as a Troll and saw how he treated the Trolls and didn't accept anyone who wasn't an Orc when history has shown in the past that will fail as it always had that if the Horde was Orc only it would fail and I couldn't stand by and let the Horde, the true Horde fall apart because an Orc refuses to work with others