I lift and dip my pan. Have done it for ever. I have lost count of the number of people who tell me I am doing it wrong. Why then can I find gold at the same location as these others. H'mm I may have had an action that did not disturbed gold in my pan. Great video and we can all learn from others. I am 62 and still open to new ideas. Cheers Chris.
I once had a pro show me the two different actions using the same paydirt. He lost more with the back and forth rather with the lift and dip. It was very interesting!
Thank you. I have many times thought that those very aggressive rifles on a pan is overkill unless you are purposely trying to go fast, it also leaves so much more to pan back in the pan and, as you said, you still can lose gold if you're in a hurry.
I met a guy on the stream we were panning in and I watched him because he did it differently than I did, I knew he was good at finding gold because of the samples he had with him and what he showed us, I tried his way...what you just showed...and it made panning eaiser and quicker for me so I carried n doing it that way.... Thanks for the explanation.
Thanks for the panning lesson. I really haven’t paid attention to how I do it but I will definitely reevaluate what I’m doing. With all the tutorials out there, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone explain it the way you just did. And that my friend is why I continue to come back to your videos….. to learn and continually hone my skills. Excellent video!
I think the problem about panning is the kind of material you're working and the kind of gold you're looking for. In a material that is very clayish you spend most of the time braking down clay and if you also pan that slowly, maybe you don't lose gold, but at the end of the day you do 10 pan less. And in a nugget or nothing place washing the material faster is usually not a huge problem because larger pieces of gold are really difficult to lose, you have to pan really badly
@@SpudEngineering in my place (northen Italy) I don't have so much black sand that covers the riffles, so I think it's for that reason that there's not huge difference (I've done few tests)
Do what is most comfortable for you. I have multiple ways that i pan and im a very good panner as i only find fine gold. As long as you know the basics u will be fine,always have a safety pan when panning your cons. Practice makes perfect.
Another bonus to using that steel pan, the sound, can’t beat that experience, your paydirt singing the song of the old timers, as you enjoy that time in the bush. 😁
When I help friends learn to pan, I make a point to show them not go front to back. It washes everything over the riffles. The point is to drag the dirt of the top
In my extremely limited experience (so take this with a big ol' grain of salt), I have some problems with the up-and-down motion. Namely that when you're submerging the pan in the down motion, the water rushes in (in the opposite direction of what you normally want), which can push the light material back as well as churn up the super fine gold enough to flush it out on the up stroke. Keeping in mind I'm a complete amateur, and I'm working with beach concentrates that are 90% super heavy garnet sand, 9.99..% black sand and a tiny bit of super fine gold.
Yeah man. I used to lose a fair of gold out of my pans and it was frustrating the hell out of me. I had to pan into another pan and back again and I’d still see a flake or two. I switched to this method and maybe every 5-6 pans I’d see a flake in the other pan. Now I don’t bother with the second pan, unless it’s sluice cons with heaps of black sands. 👍🏼
I know some people that go for the weekend and use a dredge for 2 days.. Pay $35 per day for camping and gas dredge for 6hrs per day in a gold bearing area just to come home with 0.2 grams of gold.. Because they don't know how to use the gold pan right.. I've been to the same area, just use a gold pan and bring home more.. Crazy mess..
Hi Criss u r so right, I must admit I often do the sway back and forward but I do have deep rifles and do check my tailings the odd piece comes out but not to often, I tend to tap the edge of the pan a lot more too, to bring the gold to the bottom of my pan,also we have plenty of black sand, thanks for your great videos, I have always injoyed your channel , stay safe and well buddy all the best 😊🚌👌👍
I made my own pan and just practiced what worked best and it was this method (dip and lift). I was worried I might be losing fine gold because my riffles are quite shallow. Thanks for the explanation. Really useful video! :o)
Modern triangular riffles are a gimmick. Once you have some experience, try using the smooth side of your pan, you can catch the very finest of gold, including very flat very small flakes that will drift around and even float, and if you leave it in the pan, and then fill the pan with non-gold bearing material, you will pretty easily be able to keep that super small flake in your pan. One thing people don't do, is use different side to side frequencies when classifying. Start with aggressive action, and then then smaller gentler shaking down to no shaking, then remove the top layer of material. Different pieces of gold, in different material, will settle better with certain frequencies and force, so, mix it up.
Well young man. I do appreciate what you do for everyone. I pan fine gold here in Wyoming. I still think all of you that pan down that far are doing yourself a disservice. Because you lost more then you retain. But that's a me thing . I under stand loses. I dont own a Nelson bowl. Or a slick plate but I keep most of mine for nor being anywhere next to a gold area. I just think you pan to far. Most of you. Blessings hug your dogs for me . I do have a Wyoming stone for griz . My love
I use what I call the "SSL" method. Stratify, Strain & Lick the water gently UP & DOWN, repeat until your down to the fine reveal. The Hex pan is my favorite pan to use.
Funny, my father (the geologist/cop) taught me that as a small child back in the seventies. That exact example including the steel pan. Course we only had steel pans back then, but you know what I mean.
Great advice there mate, this will help alot of people loose more gold learning the new technique 😂haha but so true cheers, great explaining vid as I'm guilty for all of the above.
Thank you for the information brother. as always your channel is great and very useful. And on your other channel you have more inspirational/motivational not sure what you call it but like watching every minute of your videos. great content thank you
Is that steel pan Made by Estwing? I found one just like it in my grandmothers old tool barn in the Mountains of the Appalachia In NC USA. Of course I kept it but I don't know how old it is... The brand name was inscribed in the base so it can't be that old, maybe mid 80's. What do you think?
Yeah I started with a steel. And I love my metal pants. Now I use them super sleuth and a I don't remember what it's called honestly right now get your point though lot of people do that
Chris how am I doing here? (skip to 3:37 in the video) th-cam.com/video/Hp9768-vYx0/w-d-xo.html I'm pretty new at this myself (9 months experience) but think I've got it figured out. Everyone used to tell me I was throwing gold out in the comments but what do you think?
Let's break this down. It appears as if you're panning heavy material. Lots of black sands, as I can see in the tailings. They are hard to move, requiring more force to shift. In these cases regular stratification is paramount. Because you're gold will be mixed in that black sand. Its unlikely that heavy material like that will shift in the bed. But, it is likely you'll lose gold regardless due to the nature of the dirt being so dense. I can suggest that you use the lift and dip whe there's about a cup of material left, thay may help reduce some loss in the garret pan. I understand the need for a more forward and violent motion when dealing with cons like that. Slowing that down near the end helped my recovery. Thats my take, hope it's helpful, I could very well be wrong.
@@SpudEngineering Thanks. You didn't have to take the time to look at that. That was 1/4" classified raw pay. That's how much black sand we have here lol. 70% hematite 30% magnetite. I was production panning. Panned through 6 buckets because it's super rich ground and sluicing isn't allowed at that place.
Gold takes a lot of effort to extract so it's worth thinking about the main aspects of the process to see if there are ways to increase the total amount of gold in the snuffer at the end of the day, whether or not you are losing some of it along the way. The back and forth method may be faster and/or less effort even if some of the gold is lost. Of course, this discussion is very complex and depends on too many factors to arrive at a single answer. Another interesting example is sluicing. If the sluice is the bottleneck, should you double the water flow to run twice the dirt even if you lose 20% of the gold by doing so?
I agree with you that the dip and lift method is better. I do think from personal experience that when dealing with black sand and fine gold a drop center pan improves your efficiency.
I lift and dip my pan. Have done it for ever. I have lost count of the number of people who tell me I am doing it wrong. Why then can I find gold at the same location as these others. H'mm I may have had an action that did not disturbed gold in my pan. Great video and we can all learn from others. I am 62 and still open to new ideas. Cheers Chris.
I once had a pro show me the two different actions using the same paydirt. He lost more with the back and forth rather with the lift and dip. It was very interesting!
I enjoy learning and I have just learnt something from this edition.
Thankyou Chris
My grandfather tough me to lift up & down but never explained it like you just did . Thanks Chris 👌.
Oh.... well explained Chris..... I was taught to to do Back and Forth..... now I will do the dip method. Thankyou.
Thank you Chris, very sage advice!
100% spot on, my Grandfather Ferrol Perin taught me that, with a steel pan, in 1977. RIP Grampa miss you everyday.
Love it! It always makes me cringe when I see people doing the scoopy method.
Thank you. I have many times thought that those very aggressive rifles on a pan is overkill unless you are purposely trying to go fast, it also leaves so much more to pan back in the pan and, as you said, you still can lose gold if you're in a hurry.
I met a guy on the stream we were panning in and I watched him because he did it differently than I did, I knew he was good at finding gold because of the samples he had with him and what he showed us, I tried his way...what you just showed...and it made panning eaiser and quicker for me so I carried n doing it that way....
Thanks for the explanation.
Thanks for the panning lesson. I really haven’t paid attention to how I do it but I will definitely reevaluate what I’m doing. With all the tutorials out there, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone explain it the way you just did. And that my friend is why I continue to come back to your videos….. to learn and continually hone my skills. Excellent video!
Great information video I’ve only been prospecting about a year can’t wait to try the up and down motion⛏️⚒️🇺🇸
Great explanation and demonstration! Wish I could pan the creeks near me.....
100% makes sense, I'll have to keep that in mind in future.
I think the problem about panning is the kind of material you're working and the kind of gold you're looking for.
In a material that is very clayish you spend most of the time braking down clay and if you also pan that slowly, maybe you don't lose gold, but at the end of the day you do 10 pan less.
And in a nugget or nothing place washing the material faster is usually not a huge problem because larger pieces of gold are really difficult to lose, you have to pan really badly
Not exactly accurate. You can lose nuggets just as easy as flower gold if the bedrock shifts.
The reason you are able to retain it is the riffles.
@@SpudEngineering in my place (northen Italy) I don't have so much black sand that covers the riffles, so I think it's for that reason that there's not huge difference (I've done few tests)
I'm a dip & lift kind of fella but I take way too long to pan material. I'm frightened to lose anything exactly like what you just said 🤣 👍🏻⚒️🏴
Brilliantly explained mate 2 thumbs up
Do what is most comfortable for you. I have multiple ways that i pan and im a very good panner as i only find fine gold. As long as you know the basics u will be fine,always have a safety pan when panning your cons. Practice makes perfect.
Awesome Info Chris thank you for sharing with us :) . SKK .
Another bonus to using that steel pan, the sound, can’t beat that experience, your paydirt singing the song of the old timers, as you enjoy that time in the bush. 😁
5:15 Watched video, wasn’t paying attention.
Will have to watch it again with my kids.
When I help friends learn to pan, I make a point to show them not go front to back. It washes everything over the riffles. The point is to drag the dirt of the top
In my extremely limited experience (so take this with a big ol' grain of salt), I have some problems with the up-and-down motion. Namely that when you're submerging the pan in the down motion, the water rushes in (in the opposite direction of what you normally want), which can push the light material back as well as churn up the super fine gold enough to flush it out on the up stroke.
Keeping in mind I'm a complete amateur, and I'm working with beach concentrates that are 90% super heavy garnet sand, 9.99..% black sand and a tiny bit of super fine gold.
Common issue, it's solved by pushing the pan forward and down then lifting straight up
Hoping to break in my first pan this weekend, great video explaining the subject very clear, thanks!
Yeah man. I used to lose a fair of gold out of my pans and it was frustrating the hell out of me. I had to pan into another pan and back again and I’d still see a flake or two. I switched to this method and maybe every 5-6 pans I’d see a flake in the other pan. Now I don’t bother with the second pan, unless it’s sluice cons with heaps of black sands. 👍🏼
Very good Sir!!
Awesome thanks for the info. Have a wonderful day!
Good education on panning.
Thank you...I needed this.
I know some people that go for the weekend and use a dredge for 2 days.. Pay $35 per day for camping and gas dredge for 6hrs per day in a gold bearing area just to come home with 0.2 grams of gold.. Because they don't know how to use the gold pan right.. I've been to the same area, just use a gold pan and bring home more.. Crazy mess..
And this is why are find flat gold within the top few inches of the gravel bed
Hi Criss u r so right, I must admit I often do the sway back and forward but I do have deep rifles and do check my tailings the odd piece comes out but not to often, I tend to tap the edge of the pan a lot more too, to bring the gold to the bottom of my pan,also we have plenty of black sand, thanks for your great videos, I have always injoyed your channel , stay safe and well buddy all the best 😊🚌👌👍
Thanks I needed that free lesson.
Share this video with Sir sweaty pants .I often wonder if his panning style on your videos is losing gold or if the riffles are deep enough
Well explained Chris!
Just came over and subd from Stoney Creek sparkchaser's channel and looking forward to checking out your channel
I made my own pan and just practiced what worked best and it was this method (dip and lift). I was worried I might be losing fine gold because my riffles are quite shallow. Thanks for the explanation. Really useful video! :o)
Great info Chris. 👍⛏️😎
Thanks. Simple enough for a beginner.
repeat after me.... LIFT AND SHIFT!
Modern triangular riffles are a gimmick. Once you have some experience, try using the smooth side of your pan, you can catch the very finest of gold, including very flat very small flakes that will drift around and even float, and if you leave it in the pan, and then fill the pan with non-gold bearing material, you will pretty easily be able to keep that super small flake in your pan. One thing people don't do, is use different side to side frequencies when classifying. Start with aggressive action, and then then smaller gentler shaking down to no shaking, then remove the top layer of material. Different pieces of gold, in different material, will settle better with certain frequencies and force, so, mix it up.
Well young man. I do appreciate what you do for everyone. I pan fine gold here in Wyoming. I still think all of you that pan down that far are doing yourself a disservice. Because you lost more then you retain. But that's a me thing . I under stand loses. I dont own a Nelson bowl. Or a slick plate but I keep most of mine for nor being anywhere next to a gold area. I just think you pan to far. Most of you. Blessings hug your dogs for me . I do have a Wyoming stone for griz . My love
thank you for sharing the information 😊
Awesome explanation! You should have been a teacher :) Keep up the good work!
I use what I call the "SSL" method.
Stratify, Strain & Lick the water gently UP & DOWN, repeat until your down to the fine reveal. The Hex pan is my favorite pan to use.
Wish wish wish an thankyou for the prospecting advice thankyou 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Funny, my father (the geologist/cop) taught me that as a small child back in the seventies. That exact example including the steel pan. Course we only had steel pans back then, but you know what I mean.
Great advice there mate, this will help alot of people loose more gold learning the new technique 😂haha but so true cheers, great explaining vid as I'm guilty for all of the above.
Come on thank you for the great tip Chris
thank you 👍🏽
Thank you for the information brother. as always your channel is great and very useful. And on your other channel you have more inspirational/motivational not sure what you call it but like watching every minute of your videos. great content thank you
Thanks Chris
Good on you thanks
Is that steel pan Made by Estwing? I found one just like it in my grandmothers old tool barn in the Mountains of the Appalachia In NC USA. Of course I kept it but I don't know how old it is... The brand name was inscribed in the base so it can't be that old, maybe mid 80's. What do you think?
Feed me Seymour. Feed me your knowledge 🤑
Perfect advice
Dip n lift is the new bend and snap
i find the shift method uncomfortable. lift and dip more comfortable
Bush man with yet another vid can I get an awwwwwww yeah
Plz
😞Chris that not an awwwwwww yeah that's a heart
Dip Dip Dip Dip Dip!.
When I first started, I put a BB in each pan. If I still had that BB at the end, I didn't miss anything, even after repanning twice. Any thoughts?
Up and down you’re ok ,But back and forward the drop bears will get ya
The videos I've seen talk about this but not a dedicated one
Yeah I started with a steel. And I love my metal pants. Now I use them super sleuth and a I don't remember what it's called honestly right now get your point though lot of people do that
13th.... yea baby !!!!!! lol.
Exactly
nice hat
😊😊😊😊😊😊
Bs! The bedrock doesn't move while your moving the lighter material off.
I can literally show you it can.
Itll happen as soon as there's a high level of clay or shilt in the paydirt.
Chris how am I doing here? (skip to 3:37 in the video) th-cam.com/video/Hp9768-vYx0/w-d-xo.html I'm pretty new at this myself (9 months experience) but think I've got it figured out. Everyone used to tell me I was throwing gold out in the comments but what do you think?
Let's break this down.
It appears as if you're panning heavy material. Lots of black sands, as I can see in the tailings.
They are hard to move, requiring more force to shift. In these cases regular stratification is paramount. Because you're gold will be mixed in that black sand.
Its unlikely that heavy material like that will shift in the bed. But, it is likely you'll lose gold regardless due to the nature of the dirt being so dense.
I can suggest that you use the lift and dip whe there's about a cup of material left, thay may help reduce some loss in the garret pan.
I understand the need for a more forward and violent motion when dealing with cons like that. Slowing that down near the end helped my recovery.
Thats my take, hope it's helpful, I could very well be wrong.
@@SpudEngineering Thanks. You didn't have to take the time to look at that. That was 1/4" classified raw pay. That's how much black sand we have here lol. 70% hematite 30% magnetite. I was production panning. Panned through 6 buckets because it's super rich ground and sluicing isn't allowed at that place.
do you guys think i can find gold in kenya? ill send a link on the kinds of river here in another comment
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Too slow Debbie
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@@SpudEngineering 🤣
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@@trevdyer173 Damn kids sport!
Great explanation thank you!
It's losing gold not loosing. Cheers.
Brilliant!
Gold takes a lot of effort to extract so it's worth thinking about the main aspects of the process to see if there are ways to increase the total amount of gold in the snuffer at the end of the day, whether or not you are losing some of it along the way. The back and forth method may be faster and/or less effort even if some of the gold is lost. Of course, this discussion is very complex and depends on too many factors to arrive at a single answer. Another interesting example is sluicing. If the sluice is the bottleneck, should you double the water flow to run twice the dirt even if you lose 20% of the gold by doing so?
I agree with you that the dip and lift method is better. I do think from personal experience that when dealing with black sand and fine gold a drop center pan improves your efficiency.
Klesh have a similar vid