This is epic! you only see people on TH-cam talking about swaps after the fact and never going over details like this in detail, I greatly appreciate it none the less.
Great job man. But you would think with the old engine going bad due to oiling issues. You would’ve put a new oil pump on that used engine! So much easier to do with the motor being pulled.
so it sounds like you can go from a windsor to a romeo but not a romeo to a windsor because of the knock sensors. My truck has a romeo in it and I was hoping to go to a windsor because in my case they are more readily available but with what you told me I might go after a motor from a crown vic or explorer, the aluminum block is also a plus. Does anyone know if the windsors were pretty much the same or were there some quite a bit of differences because I know there were like six different ones.
Thank you so much for this informative video. I am considering a rehab of a 2003 f150 and was looking at the 4.6L 2v and was seeing numerous variations on it that seemed to lock you in to specific set ups. It’s good to know there is some interchangeability between 4.6s
Glad this was able to help! It took quite a bit of research and validating and trust to take this on, but glad it was able to happen. Thanks for watching!
I have a friend with a 2005 F150 4x4. His truck came with the Romeo engine in it, which hydrolocked due to a defective intake manifold gasket (rod #1 ventilated the block), and we replaced it with another Romeo engine sourced from a 2006 Grand Marquis. The only thing we had to do was swap the timing cover.
I don't understand how you wouldn't be able to replace a Windsor with a Romeo or vice versa. There were a couple of years where you could find a Windsor in some vehicles that only otherwise used a Romeo due to a fire at the plant back around 2000 or so, I do know that some Mustangs and Panthers of those years received the Windsor engines ... other than the 8 bolt crank in high performance applications, I don't see why a Windsor would ever be better than a Romeo in the PI era. Since either engine was available in all the platforms at one point, I am sure there would be the needed parts to effect any swaps. The engines look the same to the PCM.
I bought a Romeo 4.6 engine out of a 2008 crown Vic police interceptor with a cast iron block and put it in my 1997 4.6 Windsor F150 Lariat 5 speed 4x4 which has the cast iron block and the only things I had to change were the knock sensor and find a 2008 f150 intake plenum to run my 1997 f150 throttle body. I paid a total for the engine like $600
@@marvinautoworks9955 I had to drill and tap the hole on the Romeo block to fit the knock sensor for the Windsor just so I can use the stock harness without buying a pigtail. It was easy but you have to be careful to not crack the block or break the drill bit
Hey Chad, I have a question; I have a 2000 Lincoln Town Car which did not have PI heads and I am planning of changing the heads with PI heads; my question is: Do I have to degree the cams because I hear some people saying that and some people saying no? I see you have a lot of experience with this engine; also, if I change the heads the timing is different or the same. Thank you for any help. Jose
I did have only 1 bolt hole that didn't line up and it was just to the right of the water pump. We ended up putting a bunch of gasket maker around it to seal it up. The rest up the bolts will provide more than enough pressure to keep it tight. But, you are correct, there is that one bolt hole that didn't line up. Sorry we didn't catch this on camera. And thank you for calling this out!
So i bought a 97 f150 it had just had a motor swap...i bought it with a " belt squealing" and when you turn it off it has a whin sounded like air escaping thru a pinhole...i quickly eliminated the squealing belt theory and narrowed the sound down to the tranny pump/flywheel area...10,000 miles later it still makes the noise during idle...was told there was slight difference maybe with flywheel or tranny shaft??? Newer motor came out of a 99e150 van
@@ChadWilliamsFixesAll after your video I wonder if the flywheel from the van was different than the one for the f150....assuming they used the flywheel that was on the Romeo motor
🌵does your truck feel like it's got more power? 🐯Whích knock sénsor did u use? 💐Doés changing the timíng cover, and or the flex plate, have anything to do with timing?
Wonder if anyone has ever swapped out a 4.6 to an old school 351? I've searched online and wasn't able to find anything near what I was hoping for. Looking to do this on a new generation 2004 f150 two wheel drive crew.
Hey I have a 2003 F150 with a 4.6 Windsor. I found a 4.6 Romeo out of a 2006 F150 My mechanic swapped them out, but when he starts it motor runs fine for like 10 seconds, then starts running like crap. He says it starts dumping too much fuel into the motor? I'm at a loss. What do you think it can be?
It's a little confusing Romeo we're known for cast iron blocks only Windsor blocks came in cast iron and aluminum aka wap block so my guess is this is not a Romeo block you have the Windsor Assembly Plant block with the Romeo style heads
I always trust this Ford 4.6L Triton Romeo, we have two Romeo 4.6L are running like champ over 200,000 miles on our one of F150 and Expedition also we had 2005 F150 5.4L 3V did not make it 200,000 miles on it that had much of problem with PCM, interior electrical, BCM, and transmission went bad, I hate it but 97 to 04 These Romeo and Windsor 4.6L engines are best! I love my 01 F150 crewcab with 4.6L Romeo, never give up on me unless just like simple change water pump, pump steering or alternator are no big deal.
Why didn’t you use the old 6 bolt fly wheel that you pulled off the junkyard motor? I see you bought a new one, why is that? I have a 1999 mustang and I’m putting a 2004 Romeo in it, the Romeo engine comes with the 6 bolt fly wheel already, are the flywheels the same with the 1999 and 2004 with the exception of the Romeo being a 6 bolt and the Windsor being a 8 bolt, are they the same other than that?
maybe a dumb question, and if so i apologise, but still wading into the world of working on your own vehicles, Does the aluminum block and other small differences effect the capabilities of the vehicle once its all reassembled? reduced hp or towing capacity? can't help but think that they had to choose steel over aluminum for a reason, but my 99 needs a engine and i'm struggling to find one, so if i can expand my donor vehicle list i'd be stoked
I have never heard of a mod engine be referenced as a Windsor. I would have put a 5.4 in it. I put a 5.4 in a 00 mustang originally with a 4.6 and ran on the stock ecu.
Windsor simply refers to where the engine block was made, in this case it was made in Windsor, Ontario. Romeo was made in Romeo, Michigan. slight differences but both can be mod'ed. (if that's what you were getting at)
Yes I know where the name Windsor come from. Like I said in the comment. I have never heard of a mod motor referenced as a Windsor. The only engine I know referenced as a Windsor is the 351 push rod engine like the one in my mustang.
Its called a Windsor? I thought the windsor designation left with the 351? I literally never knew that i thought it was called a mod, is it built in windsor Ontario?
@@musicrevelation2023 Windsor small blocks were named that because of their production plant, so were Clevelands. Modular motors also use Windsor or Romeo to distinguish between them as there are differences. Only matters if you are building/rebuilding so the terms are used a lot less than they were on the ohc engines.
I have a 2001 ford expedition xlt 4.6l with 4 wheel drive the 8th digit of of VIN is w . So here's my questions 1: what years will have interchangeable engines without having to change out other parts 2: will a 5.4l engine same year with 4 wheel drive fit and work properly 3: does it matter if I find the same engine and year ect. But the transmission is not a 4 wheel drive? I'm stuck I'll find a ton of 2001 expeditions with 8 digit vin as w but they are 2 wheel drive and mine is always 4 wheel drive all the time with a 4h and 4l switch or I'll find ones that are 4 wheel drive ford expedition but they are usually 4 wheel drive like mine but not sure if I'll have to change anything else out if I go from the 4.6l to a 5.4l .Please help me I'm lost lol
So I have a 98 f150 with a 4.6l what can I swap that with? Can I use a newer 4.6l? The 98 have spark plug wires and the newer 4.6s has coil on plug... any suggestions?
Do you think you can put the Romeo heads on a Windsor block? I heard you can but if you have the valve covers and the top of the timing chain cover bolts(smaller than Windsor’s) im just curious if the timing chain from a Windsor block would still work
@@musicrevelation2023 The "Windsor" refers to the plant the engine was produced in - in this video, a Windsor is a mod motor and not the old SBF such as a 260/289/302/351W.
oh man, i am keeping my mom's 2000 f150 and some guy swapped a 3V 4.6 into it and it runs like crap, plan on swapping a Romeo 4.6 out of a 01-04 Mustang GT and have it as a fun daily. also needs a new transmission, and new suspension... might as well replace the truck lmao
I'm thinking about swapping my 4.6l 2valve off my mercury grand marquis and to 4valve off a Lincoln aviator soon, just gotta see what's available near me
I find this confusing , this is the modular engine with overhead cams . I thought Windsor engines were just the overhead valve 260 289 302 351 w engines ?
No, there's Windsor car and truck 4.6 And there's Romeo car and truck 4.6 Both are overhead valve engines. There's also the 4.6 dohc I believe they can also be Windsor or romeo😊
I just bought a 04 40th anniversary supercharge mustang gt an the tips of all plugs are smashed in from the pistons hitting the plugs anyway I take it that motor is no good. Ok I have a 97 4.6 that is ready to go great motor. My question is will it fit in my 04 4.6 an can I mount the supercharge on it?
Npi head vs the motor in your car is a pi head so swap your heads and do forged internals while your at it these rods and piston dont hold past 450 whp with your older motor having a forged crank already and it's a 8bolt the one in your car is a 6bolt cast crank
Yo please answer this one question.... So you have to change the timing chain? I can't just drop a full Romeo in swap the fly wheel and run it? Going from a 2000 mustang 4.6 Windsor to an 01 mustang Romeo, I'm guessing the timing is just changed because yours is from a different model
Hey Lil Dez, since the motor was out, I decided to do the timing chain at the same time. Way easier out of the vehicle than in it. But if you are replacing the timing chain, go with the parts for what ever motor is going back in to the vehicle.
They're the exact same engine. Only difference is the internals being slightly different. Any and all 4.6l V8 are the same engine and will fit in every single other car that has a 4.6l V8 of any year. People are just dumb and think everything is different and not made by the same exact company on the same exact block with the same exact engine mounts.
They are not exactly the same engine. There are differences which involve the crankshaft (A Windsor crank will not fit a Romeo engine due to crank throw clearance issues), valve covers have different bolts, cams are held down differently (all of which he went over here in this video, with the exception of the crank). As much as the vehicle is concerned, there isn't any functional difference (aside from the flexplates). One will bolt right in where the other once was.
My friend has a 2005 4x4 the engine went bad in due to water in cylinder 1. Bad intake gasket allowed water to flow right into the intake port from the coolant crossover. This truck had a Romeo engine in it from the factory. We used a 2006 Mercury Grand Marquis engine (also a Romeo) as a replacement. The only thing we had to do was swap timing covers.
My truck has a Windsor 4.6 and I’m trying to swap it for a mustang Romeo 4.6 I want to keep the mustang heads and intake does anyone have any tips for me
Hey Gratest Ever, you should be able to put the heads from your mustang onto the other block. Then, the intake will also fit because you transferred the heads.
Kind of pointless if your truck has pi heads keep them the Windsor are 8 bolt forged crank unlike the 6 bolt Romeo cast crank if your trying to make more power you need to look into building a motor and what one you want the mark8 and navigater motors are both 4v and fit but 5.4 going to make good torque
@@ChadWilliamsFixesAll Im not being a ashol I was wanting to know.. so when you say availability does hat mean windsors are hard to find? and why do windsor's cost that much more? Im a f body guy so my 2000 gt is my 1st mustang and I dont know any better.. why do people want windsors over a romeo? If same performance and reliability and HP are same Why dont people always replace with Romeo? I was told that my Winsor was made in canada and hen there was a fire and rest were made in America but i didnt even know there was a difference in motors offered but now Ive got a rare engine thats going to cost more to fix unless Romeo parts will interchange?
Gary Pitzer they’re generally about equal as far as reliability and durability. Biggest thing is maintain them. Change the oil on time and they tend to last
@@musicrevelation2023 There are Windsor 4.6 and 5.4 mod motors. If it has 8 bolts connecting the flexplate/flywheel to the crank, it's a Windsor. If it has 13 bolts holding the valve covers in place, it's a Windsor.
Did anyone else notice that the windsor failed because when the timing chain was done they weren't done right u can see where it rubbed a hole in the oil pump
Your information is wrong Romeo 4.6l are all cast iron you have the wap block which is Windsor Assembly plant which are aluminum the wap shortblock came in 2v explorers and mountaineers /4v Mercury Marauders and Lincoln aviators
You would either need to build a dyno stand and have everything like a fuel cell, cooling, etc. Or, take it somewhere that can dyno a Ford Engine. There isn’t an “easy” way to do this.
Hey, so like I mentioned in the video, the biggest thing is the cast iron vs aluminum block. Most other things are the same, but my video should describe most differences.
It looks like the cam sprockets was different, the Romeo had cam bolts n the Windsor didn't. Good job buddy, I was looking for the difference between the two motors.
We did it as the Aluminum block was a a lot more available in my area. The cast iron block was hard to find and over $2000 for a good, low miles engine. We bought the Aluminum from that Mountaineer for only $90ish on half of days at a pull a part yard.
pcs38nau Ik they did in the mustangs because my 2000 had PI heads. The crown vic didn’t get it tho until after 03. I’ve learned a good bit since I left that comment 😂
@@Silvr_3.7 All Romeo engines received PI in 2001, including on the Panther cars. Some Romeo engines (Mustang), and all Windsor engines, received PI in 1999.
Bet ur connecting rod bent and caused ur problems.. my number 8 did the same thing.. only difference is.. I didn't run it . U running it is what tore ur barrings up
It was my buddies engine, so I am not sure why he ran it for so long. I actually can't believe it was still running with that much catastrophic damage inside of it. :)
Thew 4.6 2v Romeo & Windsor are one of the best engines Ford made. One can run into plugs blowing out if they are not torqued correctly. Cal Van makes a insert kit if a plug hole looses its threads specifically for the Triton V8. Very easy to repair, & no need to pull heads anymore. Ron Williams has excellent videos on using the Cal-Van tool.
In 2005, Ford revised the thread count which greatly reduced rocket plugs. However, almost all rocket plug incidents are due to improper plug installation / torque.
Romeo is not a garbage engine. I pulled the engine out of my 2005 CVPI @ 250k miles due to an oil consumption issue. When I tore down the engine, I discovered the valve stem seals were toast but the rest of the engine looked almost new inside. No discernable wear on ANY of the bearings, rings also looked new and factory crosshatch could still be seen in the cylinder walls. For an engine that was run hard and put away wet by law enforcement for 122k miles before I got it, then subject to another 130k miles of use (not babied at all), I would hardly agree that a Romeo is garbage.
This is epic! you only see people on TH-cam talking about swaps after the fact and never going over details like this in detail, I greatly appreciate it none the less.
Great job man. But you would think with the old engine going bad due to oiling issues. You would’ve put a new oil pump on that used engine! So much easier to do with the motor being pulled.
I was just thinking the same thing.
It’s a Windsor problem, doesn’t really happen on Romeo engines.
Why did you not say anything about the wiring harness
Best thing about pulling your own motor is you know what it came out of
Excellent video. Seeing it is so easy greatly expands the pool of donor engines.
so it sounds like you can go from a windsor to a romeo but not a romeo to a windsor because of the knock sensors. My truck has a romeo in it and I was hoping to go to a windsor because in my case they are more readily available but with what you told me I might go after a motor from a crown vic or explorer, the aluminum block is also a plus.
Does anyone know if the windsors were pretty much the same or were there some quite a bit of differences because I know there were like six different ones.
Done this swap before better check your crank sensor reluctor ring tooth count!
Thank you so much for this informative video. I am considering a rehab of a 2003 f150 and was looking at the 4.6L 2v and was seeing numerous variations on it that seemed to lock you in to specific set ups. It’s good to know there is some interchangeability between 4.6s
Glad this was able to help! It took quite a bit of research and validating and trust to take this on, but glad it was able to happen. Thanks for watching!
I have a friend with a 2005 F150 4x4. His truck came with the Romeo engine in it, which hydrolocked due to a defective intake manifold gasket (rod #1 ventilated the block), and we replaced it with another Romeo engine sourced from a 2006 Grand Marquis. The only thing we had to do was swap the timing cover.
Please excuse me… I am trying to find an engine for my 2002 quad cab… 4.6. What’s a Romeo engine? ?
Loved the video, I learned a great deal of information on the Windsor and Romeo engines.
You made me a subscriber. :-)
Thanks for watching!!! I am glad I could help!!!!
@@ChadWilliamsFixesAll Which timing cover gasket do I use if I'm swapping the timing cover from the Windsor to the Romeo? They appear to be different
@@ChadWilliamsFixesAll did anyone answer this question ?
I don't understand how you wouldn't be able to replace a Windsor with a Romeo or vice versa. There were a couple of years where you could find a Windsor in some vehicles that only otherwise used a Romeo due to a fire at the plant back around 2000 or so, I do know that some Mustangs and Panthers of those years received the Windsor engines ... other than the 8 bolt crank in high performance applications, I don't see why a Windsor would ever be better than a Romeo in the PI era.
Since either engine was available in all the platforms at one point, I am sure there would be the needed parts to effect any swaps. The engines look the same to the PCM.
2005 that is
I bought a Romeo 4.6 engine out of a 2008 crown Vic police interceptor with a cast iron block and put it in my 1997 4.6 Windsor F150 Lariat 5 speed 4x4 which has the cast iron block and the only things I had to change were the knock sensor and find a 2008 f150 intake plenum to run my 1997 f150 throttle body. I paid a total for the engine like $600
That is awesome!!! Thank you for sharing!
did you take the knock sensor off the Windsor and put it on the Rom?
@@marvinautoworks9955 I had to drill and tap the hole on the Romeo block to fit the knock sensor for the Windsor just so I can use the stock harness without buying a pigtail. It was easy but you have to be careful to not crack the block or break the drill bit
@@younggun3678 did tap 1 of the 2 holes
Also I'm going from The Windsor to the Romeo
Glad i watched this.. I thought i had a windsor engine, i have a romeo and that saves me a billion dollars.
Hey Chad, I have a question; I have a 2000 Lincoln Town Car which did not have PI heads and I am planning of changing the heads with PI heads; my question is: Do I have to degree the cams because I hear some people saying that and some people saying no? I see you have a lot of experience with this engine; also, if I change the heads the timing is different or the same. Thank you for any help. Jose
One thing that I did notice was that my Windsor timing cover bolt holes do not line up with the Romeo timing cover bolt holes just one of them
I did have only 1 bolt hole that didn't line up and it was just to the right of the water pump. We ended up putting a bunch of gasket maker around it to seal it up. The rest up the bolts will provide more than enough pressure to keep it tight. But, you are correct, there is that one bolt hole that didn't line up. Sorry we didn't catch this on camera. And thank you for calling this out!
So i bought a 97 f150 it had just had a motor swap...i bought it with a " belt squealing" and when you turn it off it has a whin sounded like air escaping thru a pinhole...i quickly eliminated the squealing belt theory and narrowed the sound down to the tranny pump/flywheel area...10,000 miles later it still makes the noise during idle...was told there was slight difference maybe with flywheel or tranny shaft??? Newer motor came out of a 99e150 van
That is a tough one. I honestly don’t know :( sorry
@@ChadWilliamsFixesAll after your video I wonder if the flywheel from the van was different than the one for the f150....assuming they used the flywheel that was on the Romeo motor
The modular engines are so easy to deal with.
i will keep alive my 3 2v 4.6s and 1 5.4 till i die great engine may put them in a chevy some day man that will piss off the ls pees
🌵does your truck feel like it's got more power?
🐯Whích knock sénsor did u use?
💐Doés changing the timíng cover, and or the flex plate, have anything to do with timing?
The difference in your heads are one is pi and the other is non pi. The heads in your blown motor are actually better heads.
La.fishsticker 1 they are both pi he got it out of a 04 you can see the pirts are square when he shows it in the truck without intake
@@whatsreallygoingon253 I actually did see that after the fact...
Hey do you think a 2004 crown victoria engine will bolt straight into a 1995 crown victoria?
yes
Is that a crack in the block at 8:11 where the timing cover bolts up above the oil filter?
Motor mount
Es la union entre el Block y la cabeza🙃
Im going from Romeo to windsor right now
I have 2010 f150 ,4.6 2 valve inside my single cab and its a good , decent motor
THE NHRA GUY #49 is it stock? 2010 f150s came with the 3v 4.6
@@mattweeks2272 I ran my vin number on all data . it's a f150 single cab 8ft 2wd. Base model
@@mattweeks2272 its got a 2 valve 4.6 I ran my vin on all data and have all the stuff printed off for it. I work at a car dealership
Do you wanna run my vin number ? Your barking up the wrong tree buddie . you wanna run my vin to my truck ? U wanna see what comes up. ?
So do you need a f150 flywheel or can I use the one off say a crown Vic or what every donor vehicle
Is there a difference with internal balance vs. Externally balanced engines between the two engines
Wonder if anyone has ever swapped out a 4.6 to an old school 351? I've searched online and wasn't able to find anything near what I was hoping for. Looking to do this on a new generation 2004 f150 two wheel drive crew.
The timing cover bolts are different size between the 2 also. I put a Windsor head on my romeo motor.
Will a 1995 thunderbird Romeo 4.6 swap into a 97 f150 I know I need to swap a couple things was trying to see what all would needed to be done
Hey I have a 2003 F150 with a 4.6 Windsor. I found a 4.6 Romeo out of a 2006 F150 My mechanic swapped them out, but when he starts it motor runs fine for like 10 seconds, then starts running like crap. He says it starts dumping too much fuel into the motor? I'm at a loss. What do you think it can be?
I am wondering what problems you found on the swap like intake gaskets wrong ? Thanks
I believe only the Explorer and Mountaineer got the aluminum block 2v Romeo. Crown Vic's etc are iron
It's a little confusing Romeo we're known for cast iron blocks only Windsor blocks came in cast iron and aluminum aka wap block so my guess is this is not a Romeo block you have the Windsor Assembly Plant block with the Romeo style heads
All Windsor 4.6 blocks will have 8 bolts on the flywheel, and don't have the cam girdle the Romeos have. Romeo 4.6 will have 6 flywheel/crank bolts.
Lmao that stopped me in my tracks to like what they both irons
did you pull the engine out with not removing rad or front end?
I always trust this Ford 4.6L Triton Romeo, we have two Romeo 4.6L are running like champ over 200,000 miles on our one of F150 and Expedition also we had 2005 F150 5.4L 3V did not make it 200,000 miles on it that had much of problem with PCM, interior electrical, BCM, and transmission went bad, I hate it but 97 to 04 These Romeo and Windsor 4.6L engines are best! I love my 01 F150 crewcab with 4.6L Romeo, never give up on me unless just like simple change water pump, pump steering or alternator are no big deal.
My 97 f150 has over 262k miles still runs like a champ
The romeo and Windsor 4.6 for the f150 both use iron blocks.
The 5.4, 2 valve is also a great engine!
I did the same for a mustang tho, and I was struggling to see what I was gonna do for the flywheel
It's a flex plate, fly wheels are used with manual transmission.
Yeah, even I started correcting people. Been a couple years since this :)
Did the same swap in my 2000 Mustang GT
Nice! It is a great swap!
What all did you have to swap from engine to engine? I'm looking into the same swap same year car
How did your swap go? any advice? I’m contemplating the exact same swap.
wow dude. amazing job!
Why didn’t you use the old 6 bolt fly wheel that you pulled off the junkyard motor? I see you bought a new one, why is that? I have a 1999 mustang and I’m putting a 2004 Romeo in it, the Romeo engine comes with the 6 bolt fly wheel already, are the flywheels the same with the 1999 and 2004 with the exception of the Romeo being a 6 bolt and the Windsor being a 8 bolt, are they the same other than that?
maybe a dumb question, and if so i apologise, but still wading into the world of working on your own vehicles, Does the aluminum block and other small differences effect the capabilities of the vehicle once its all reassembled? reduced hp or towing capacity? can't help but think that they had to choose steel over aluminum for a reason, but my 99 needs a engine and i'm struggling to find one, so if i can expand my donor vehicle list i'd be stoked
Curious ... how long does it take to take out the motor ?? Im getting stupid labor hours :) Thanks
Where'd you get valve covers and fly wheel from?
Something I noticed on my 4.6 mountaineer motor is that the crank shaft position sensor plug in is different then my 02 how did you fix that
So the complete aluminum windsor intake is a bolt on to the romeo?
More on the heads 99+ is when pi heads came around
GREAT WORK ADN GREAT VIDEO ! GREETINGS FROM LIMA PERU.
Hey I know it's been a while since you were working on this. Did you ever get her up and running?
Can I do reverse in swapping a Romeo with a windsor
so I bought a 2010 E150 with a knocking 4.6L v8 engine . would a older year such as 05, 06 or 07 E150 4.6 l v8 engine work for a swap? Any ideas?
I have never heard of a mod engine be referenced as a Windsor. I would have put a 5.4 in it. I put a 5.4 in a 00 mustang originally with a 4.6 and ran on the stock ecu.
Did you notice any significant difference power-wise just from swiping in the 5.4
It was a totally different car. Tons more torque.
Windsor simply refers to where the engine block was made, in this case it was made in Windsor, Ontario. Romeo was made in Romeo, Michigan. slight differences but both can be mod'ed. (if that's what you were getting at)
Yes I know where the name Windsor come from. Like I said in the comment. I have never heard of a mod motor referenced as a Windsor. The only engine I know referenced as a Windsor is the 351 push rod engine like the one in my mustang.
@@bryanroupe8646 gotcha, just trying to be helpful.
Its called a Windsor? I thought the windsor designation left with the 351? I literally never knew that i thought it was called a mod, is it built in windsor Ontario?
Yes. The Windsor/Romeo designation refers to where it was produced.
@@eclipsegst9419 no, windsors are the cam in block design. The 4.6 and 5.4 are modular motors because they are ohc design not windsors
@@musicrevelation2023 Windsor small blocks were named that because of their production plant, so were Clevelands. Modular motors also use Windsor or Romeo to distinguish between them as there are differences. Only matters if you are building/rebuilding so the terms are used a lot less than they were on the ohc engines.
Windsor and romeo are both iron blocks the 03 04 motors being the stronger castings
@@302efi still not a romeo block might be romeo heads not block chance is a WAP block
@@austinhowze6280 If it was assembled in the Romeo factory, it is a Romeo engine.
@@silicon212 for the most part the crank pully and valve covers would be the difference
I have a 2001 ford expedition xlt 4.6l with 4 wheel drive the 8th digit of of VIN is w . So here's my questions 1: what years will have interchangeable engines without having to change out other parts 2: will a 5.4l engine same year with 4 wheel drive fit and work properly 3: does it matter if I find the same engine and year ect. But the transmission is not a 4 wheel drive? I'm stuck I'll find a ton of 2001 expeditions with 8 digit vin as w but they are 2 wheel drive and mine is always 4 wheel drive all the time with a 4h and 4l switch or I'll find ones that are 4 wheel drive ford expedition but they are usually 4 wheel drive like mine but not sure if I'll have to change anything else out if I go from the 4.6l to a 5.4l .Please help me I'm lost lol
I am just now changing a 1999 5.4 to a 2001 4.6 romeo engine in a F150 and I am about to find out.
Awesome man great video
Thank you!
So I have a 98 f150 with a 4.6l what can I swap that with? Can I use a newer 4.6l? The 98 have spark plug wires and the newer 4.6s has coil on plug... any suggestions?
You can run it on that spark set up but the newer pi heads need a pi intake to get the extra power
Do you think you can put the Romeo heads on a Windsor block? I heard you can but if you have the valve covers and the top of the timing chain cover bolts(smaller than Windsor’s) im just curious if the timing chain from a Windsor block would still work
Yes, you can put any head onto a 4.6 so long as its from another 4.6 or 5.4, and both motors are modular motors not windsors
@@musicrevelation2023 The "Windsor" refers to the plant the engine was produced in - in this video, a Windsor is a mod motor and not the old SBF such as a 260/289/302/351W.
oh man, i am keeping my mom's 2000 f150 and some guy swapped a 3V 4.6 into it and it runs like crap, plan on swapping a Romeo 4.6 out of a 01-04 Mustang GT and have it as a fun daily. also needs a new transmission, and new suspension... might as well replace the truck lmao
I'd diagnose the 3 v running problem. It should run great.
Runs like crap cuz that truck isn't supposed to have vvt
Lock out the cam phasers problem fixed
Just slap some 2v heads on there and call it a day or go 4v but you'll pay more for that
I'm thinking about swapping my 4.6l 2valve off my mercury grand marquis and to 4valve off a Lincoln aviator soon, just gotta see what's available near me
I find this confusing , this is the modular engine with overhead cams . I thought Windsor engines were just the overhead valve 260 289 302 351 w engines ?
No, there's Windsor car and truck 4.6
And there's Romeo car and truck 4.6
Both are overhead valve engines. There's also the 4.6 dohc I believe they can also be Windsor or romeo😊
Why does the bolt pattern matter on the flywheel as long as it will bolt to the torque converter
I think I forgot to mention there was a different tooth count on the flexplate.
I just bought a 04 40th anniversary supercharge mustang gt an the tips of all plugs are smashed in from the pistons hitting the plugs anyway I take it that motor is no good. Ok I have a 97 4.6 that is ready to go great motor. My question is will it fit in my 04 4.6 an can I mount the supercharge on it?
Npi head vs the motor in your car is a pi head so swap your heads and do forged internals while your at it these rods and piston dont hold past 450 whp with your older motor having a forged crank already and it's a 8bolt the one in your car is a 6bolt cast crank
Is it possible to put a 1994 5.0 V8 Windsor from an f150 into a 2001 mustang that is originally a 3.4 v6
Yes, but the 5.0 Windsor is pretty slow in that year and the v6 is pretty much faster and makes a similar amount of power
Hey what part number its flywheel
You forgot the top bolts of the cover that bolt to the heads are smaller on a Romeo.
Thanks for that clarification!
Yo please answer this one question.... So you have to change the timing chain? I can't just drop a full Romeo in swap the fly wheel and run it? Going from a 2000 mustang 4.6 Windsor to an 01 mustang Romeo, I'm guessing the timing is just changed because yours is from a different model
Hey Lil Dez, since the motor was out, I decided to do the timing chain at the same time. Way easier out of the vehicle than in it. But if you are replacing the timing chain, go with the parts for what ever motor is going back in to the vehicle.
Great video brother, what about the 5.4, could you swap that or would that be significantly more work?
They are basically the same as both 4.6 engines. Get the computer that goes with the 5.4 ,and get a 2 valve 5.4
They're the exact same engine. Only difference is the internals being slightly different. Any and all 4.6l V8 are the same engine and will fit in every single other car that has a 4.6l V8 of any year. People are just dumb and think everything is different and not made by the same exact company on the same exact block with the same exact engine mounts.
They are not exactly the same engine. There are differences which involve the crankshaft (A Windsor crank will not fit a Romeo engine due to crank throw clearance issues), valve covers have different bolts, cams are held down differently (all of which he went over here in this video, with the exception of the crank). As much as the vehicle is concerned, there isn't any functional difference (aside from the flexplates). One will bolt right in where the other once was.
Will the 4.6 romeo motor work on a 4×4 f150?? I also have an f150 with a bad 4.6 motor
Yes, you can swap between the 2 like I did.
@@ChadWilliamsFixesAll thanks
My friend has a 2005 4x4 the engine went bad in due to water in cylinder 1. Bad intake gasket allowed water to flow right into the intake port from the coolant crossover. This truck had a Romeo engine in it from the factory. We used a 2006 Mercury Grand Marquis engine (also a Romeo) as a replacement. The only thing we had to do was swap timing covers.
How do I do the knock sensor. Will the Windsor knock sensor just bolt up to the Romeo
im want to know the same thing?
@@mj2069 Yes the sensor is the cable and the bolt just holds in in place.
My truck has a Windsor 4.6 and I’m trying to swap it for a mustang Romeo 4.6 I want to keep the mustang heads and intake does anyone have any tips for me
Hey Gratest Ever, you should be able to put the heads from your mustang onto the other block. Then, the intake will also fit because you transferred the heads.
Kind of pointless if your truck has pi heads keep them the Windsor are 8 bolt forged crank unlike the 6 bolt Romeo cast crank if your trying to make more power you need to look into building a motor and what one you want the mark8 and navigater motors are both 4v and fit but 5.4 going to make good torque
Why? Why would you want the Romeo over the Windsor?
Two words, "Availability" and "Price"
@@ChadWilliamsFixesAll Im not being a ashol I was wanting to know.. so when you say availability does hat mean windsors are hard to find? and why do windsor's cost that much more? Im a f body guy so my 2000 gt is my 1st mustang and I dont know any better.. why do people want windsors over a romeo? If same performance and reliability and HP are same Why dont people always replace with Romeo? I was told that my Winsor was made in canada and hen there was a fire and rest were made in America but i didnt even know there was a difference in motors offered but now Ive got a rare engine thats going to cost more to fix unless Romeo parts will interchange?
They are functionally identical, and the Romeo is much more plentiful.
What engine is better? The Winsor? Or the Romeo?
Gary Pitzer they’re generally about equal as far as reliability and durability. Biggest thing is maintain them. Change the oil on time and they tend to last
What state are you in
is there any benefit of having a romeo over a windsor?
The 4.6 isn't a Windsor at all anyways. They are modular motors. The Romeo heads are the only advantage but not by a lot
@@musicrevelation2023 There are Windsor 4.6 and 5.4 mod motors. If it has 8 bolts connecting the flexplate/flywheel to the crank, it's a Windsor. If it has 13 bolts holding the valve covers in place, it's a Windsor.
Can this be done with a Mustang Romeo motor?
Yes, it should be the same.
So the Windsor intake bolts line up on the Romeo? Awesome
HELL YEAH I'm putting a GT motor in my 1997 F150!
Of course, Mustangs used both Windsor and Romeo engines.
Which one had the Spark Plug holes with only 3 threads?? They were notorious for blowing out Plugs - taking the threads with them!
Nice swap buddy!
Good job
Did anyone else notice that the windsor failed because when the timing chain was done they weren't done right u can see where it rubbed a hole in the oil pump
My 01 Eddie Bauer 4.6L came with the Romeo 4.6l in it!
Your information is wrong Romeo 4.6l are all cast iron you have the wap block which is Windsor Assembly plant which are aluminum the wap shortblock came in 2v explorers and mountaineers /4v Mercury Marauders and Lincoln aviators
Same motor just different valve covers right?
I'm swaping mine right now the valve covers and intake are the two main differences all though the plugs are different as well
@@dylannotaro627 how are the plugs different?
And the crank
Was there a power difference with the swap?
@@dylannotaro627 bruh, I hope you mean heads, valve covers don't do shit. They are only to cover the vlaves up and to keep oil inside the engine lol
I would like to buy a motor for 90 dollars
You still haven't answered my question. How do I test start a 4.6 engine that is NOT in a vehicle?
You would either need to build a dyno stand and have everything like a fuel cell, cooling, etc. Or, take it somewhere that can dyno a Ford Engine. There isn’t an “easy” way to do this.
Hey bro so what’s the difference
Hey, so like I mentioned in the video, the biggest thing is the cast iron vs aluminum block. Most other things are the same, but my video should describe most differences.
It's not 11 valve cover bolts holes for that Romeo, it's 9.
Romeo engines have 11 bolt valve covers. Windsor engines have 13.
It looks like the cam sprockets was different, the Romeo had cam bolts n the Windsor didn't. Good job buddy, I was looking for the difference between the two motors.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news BUT...there is NO such thing as an aluminum romeo. That is a WAP (Windsor aluminum plant) not a romeo.
I was tryna see if I can put a 2000 lincoln towncar motor in a 2000 expedition do you think it's possible?
It may, but you will probably be changing a lot of parts from the Expedition over to the Towncar motor.
MARIA S I’m tryna put a 97 Lincoln town car 4.6 into my 99 f150 4.6
Why would you swap one for the other? There is literally nothing to be gained with such a swap.
We did it as the Aluminum block was a a lot more available in my area. The cast iron block was hard to find and over $2000 for a good, low miles engine. We bought the Aluminum from that Mountaineer for only $90ish on half of days at a pull a part yard.
Isn't the Romeo lighter, too?
Yeah, the aluminum Romeo is a little lighter.
I have a Mustang with a Romeo block, it's not aluminum.
Right, but that's not what Chad Williams has. He has an aluminum romeo block. Hence the reason I stated it would be lighter.
Wait that truck had PI heads? 👀
Silvr_3.7 99/2000 was around the time ford added pi heads to the 4.6 and 5.4. hp ratings went up to reflect the head change.
pcs38nau Ik they did in the mustangs because my 2000 had PI heads. The crown vic didn’t get it tho until after 03. I’ve learned a good bit since I left that comment 😂
@@Silvr_3.7 All Romeo engines received PI in 2001, including on the Panther cars. Some Romeo engines (Mustang), and all Windsor engines, received PI in 1999.
Nice to see some info on really crappy engines.
I've ran Romeo heads on a Windsor short block.
Is the romeo a 3 valve? If so, eww.
It's a 2v. Did you see cam phasers? I sure didn't.
I recommend go with motorcraft spark plugs.
Wait what?
Bet ur connecting rod bent and caused ur problems.. my number 8 did the same thing.. only difference is.. I didn't run it . U running it is what tore ur barrings up
It was my buddies engine, so I am not sure why he ran it for so long. I actually can't believe it was still running with that much catastrophic damage inside of it. :)
@@ChadWilliamsFixesAll im gonna rebuild mine... haven't decided which way I'm gonna go with ir...
I like my Windsor to much to swap it out to a Romeo lol
I don't blame you... this was only because we had to. lol
Until.you want a teksid..
@@PureCountryof91 rather have a buikt Windsor instead of teskid
@@ChadWilliamsFixesAll how much did that cost if you dont mind me asking and which motor do you prefer the Windsor or Romen
Romeo
Nice job but u still have to worry about spark plugs flying out , stay away from those things man.
Thew 4.6 2v Romeo & Windsor are one of the best engines Ford made. One can run into plugs blowing out if they are not torqued correctly. Cal Van makes a insert kit if a plug hole looses its threads specifically for the Triton V8. Very easy to repair, & no need to pull heads anymore. Ron Williams has excellent videos on using the Cal-Van tool.
In 2005, Ford revised the thread count which greatly reduced rocket plugs. However, almost all rocket plug incidents are due to improper plug installation / torque.
Oof
The Romeo is the garbage engine. Why use that one? Why not try to source another Windsor?
Romeo is not a garbage engine. I pulled the engine out of my 2005 CVPI @ 250k miles due to an oil consumption issue. When I tore down the engine, I discovered the valve stem seals were toast but the rest of the engine looked almost new inside. No discernable wear on ANY of the bearings, rings also looked new and factory crosshatch could still be seen in the cylinder walls. For an engine that was run hard and put away wet by law enforcement for 122k miles before I got it, then subject to another 130k miles of use (not babied at all), I would hardly agree that a Romeo is garbage.
Can it be done? Yeah sure.. should it? Big no. The Romeo motor is junk compared to the Windsor. Just no
I dont mean to come off rude its a great video but my advice. A better Windsor is best
They are functionally identical. The only thing the Windsor might have is crank bolt to flywheel count.