Adv Mshololo was on point to ask the question on handling. Just because it was viewed in court it doesn't mean it should be handled differently i.e from a quality assurance point of view. The justification by Judge Ratha and Adv Baloyi is an error from quality management point of you because how sure will we be that it was the same one?
You are trying by all means to make the cross examination of Adv Mshololo on point neh … but but she should have objected the day when the col mangena open the bullet from from the evidence bag So in plein language she failed
@user-eo8ir7pt3p remember...the trial/case might not end here....that can only be done after the finalization of the case/matter...what if the accused say no we don't know this pocket evidence
Unfortunately Advocate Mshololo's question was not fully answered..🤷🏽♂️..Mangena did his examination and found that he can use (TB 5 and TB 9)as his match..Sereo's findings were (TB 4 and TB 8) meaning they both came with different results but Sereo decided to take his verification and make them a final results..🤷🏽♂️..
Everything about this case is not make sure. The fact that the bullet was found so late after the scene has been tempered with, plus the gun alleged to have been used is different to the one that the eye witnesses discribed makes this entire case compromised
This case is a shame, I wonder if the bullet was booked out from the ballistic to be brought to court. If senior police officers in SA are handling exhibits as such, in this case, there is a possibility of a planted bullet....hearing this today part of me believes that police can plant and alter evidence at the scene... These are senior police and they are handling a very critical exhibit in their pockets/handkerchiefs without properly sealing it, What a shame in South Africa... Police are really destroying this case...if I was a judge I would have thrown this case out.
It is a common purpose from corrupt Police who shoot people and plant unlicensed fire arm to claim they were shot but In reality that was not the case.
Ngempela kuyadide the way Adv Nxumalo is doing his cross-examination, the Judge is correct when he asks the relevance of his line of question and where is going to lead.
@@marieklaaste9699 Actually i don't like engaging with you because you like dropping these statements and when there's questions as a result, you become clueless. When is Ratha going to be arrested and who's the complainants? Baloyi and Ratha will only be jailed through social media. Corruption and bribery accusations against the two is like a national anthem as we are used to them. Whoever has a case against them is free to approach the police and open a case against them unlike always barking behind your key boards 😂😂😂
The bullet hit the deceased,went out through the door and came back via the same hole and sit behind the jar inside the house.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.That bullet is so clever. Those who were in the house including Gininda told the court that the murder weapon is a revolver(a gun with a wheel) No catridges found. The problem here is the judge.
Regulation are guide lines but we are not perfect I love dat from serero ..he is aware dat the have broke the rules so rules are rules should be respected no matter what
Regulation are guidelines and policies. If some one challenge u in court of ur superiors will say u dd not follow rules and regulations ull be on ur own. Whether u bend them or bypass thembits wrong
Everything must be recorded in the register so that it can be traceable what if mangena died during the process or worst case some come and claim that gun was used in crime while u hide it in ur office not recorded in the register.
Mshololo's logic regarding the barrel swap is unclear. It is the barrel that imprints grooves and striations on the bullet, and both Roelofse and Mangena essentially tested the same barrel. Accused's gun also had the same barrel. Changing other parts of the gun only affects the cartridges, and since no cartridge was found, the barrel swap is irrelevant. Mshololo seems to always grab the wrong end of the stick. How can one person get a wrong understanding most of the time?
Looooool I don't think you understand the reason behind her question,go and listen again to her question and the follow up question in regards to the barrel question then you would understand,infact the defence case is always bullets were planted,barrels were changed so you don't understand the reasoning behind the question and this witness played right into her hands,teh defence has to plant doubts into the state case and not to prove beyond reasonable doubt therefore Mshololo was merely trying to put doubt by saying the barrel of the gun couldhave been changed by a ballistic expert and because of the training they received they are able to change barrels faster so they can get the positive results they wants after testing and getting none at first
@nobuhlemathenjwa71 You fail to understand logic and are swayed by baseless inferences that the judge will most probably disregard. The barrel change issue is irrelevant, and despite my clear explanation, you're still missing the point. Mshololo often misinterprets concepts, which fails to convince most rational observers. While the theory that the bullet was "planted" is one of the defence's strongest argument, they haven't developed it adequately. The defence has only offered weak inferences, easily dismissed by any rational person or witness (Ginida and the ballistic analysts). Though the state still has significant work to do to prove guilt and may even fail to do so, it doesn't change the fact that the defence's case and presentation were underwhelming.
South African police are corrupt I had a case against 32 police officers but even 2day the docket its lost It's a case of 2020 I don't know where I can get help
I reported the Judge, Prosecutor and Clerk of the court for Mismanagement and I had proof, the Court Manager simply transferred my case to another court & did not take action against the parties involved so I took it upon myself to report to the DoJ and Magistrate's Commission. If you don't escalate them you will never get the justice you deserve.
@@thabomokone-n6b If you can distinguish between truth and lies you should have seen it with the accused. They've been telling lies ever since this case started and even distancing themselves even from their instructions through their lawyers 😂😂🤣
I have a problem with people not following procedure and claim exceptional circumstances...what may be exceptional to one may not be to the other hence rules or procedures are there for everyone to toe the same line
We're tired about the fabrications and the cooking of this case, according to me this case is to be close,and it will be opened when Kelly and her mother and the neighbor and their colleagues will appear at the court to confess with new advocates,new judge,new state representative and new witnesses Kelly and helle, we're not interested in the caree of ballistics and who ever,but want the truth and go on to listen to other cases, enough is enough
The court and the state failed dismally in handling the exhibit bullet even if it was brought to the court. The one who brought it was suppose to carry another seal which after showing the court the bullet is returned in the bad and sealed with a new seal and be recorded again in court that the seal number has changed. Ratha to support such failure is a travesty of justice. He is messing this case.
Yho! I was worried about Adv Ramasopele, many thoughts were going through my mind as to what could've gone wrong, why Adv Baloyi couldn't get him on his cellphone, cellphone ringing but not being answered.
@user-eo8ir7pt3p No, there was not. After they asked Mangena, he said, "These bullets move very fast, by the time the victim starts bleeding, long has the bullet exited the body".
@@siphonengu5436 To be honest, this question is unfair and worse irrelevant if you guys expect a response from Mangena because he is not a DNA but ballistic analyst. This question should have been raised with the police DNA expert who testified last year.
Adv Baloyi Keeps Caughing when the witness is asked a question.. he always respond no or I can't answer.. This Case is Cooked For real , I can smell the Cooking. There's no way that witness could never know that Mangena verified with more experts.
It is hoped that, during his roughly 27 years of forensic experience, Dave has not brought exhibits directly into the lab as Mangena has done. If there is any record of Dave having done so in the past, the value of the defence's argument regarding the legality of that action would be neutralised. It also becomes risky to call Dave as a witness.
Mark my words whites never wanted to loose against blacks Dave is coming with something big. N Ratha is afraid of whites ne re tlo Bona. Dat is why Dave is working regardless
😂 but do you think the lecturing was relevant. This chief expert was only brought to cover mangena’s fault. Defence saw opportunity to get his to lecture the process and procedures. I dnt know if you understand. They are getting him to record the procedures that’s why he bocomes evasive at point
The pain is felt by the recipient. The manipulator is always relaxed. Let him be in a position where he has to fight for his life, ul ca different person
How I wish all police officers can know their story like this Col Sereo…. 😂😂 the defence saw that this guy knows what his talking about …hense some dont want to ask relevant questions are busy asking questions which won’t assist in anyway Col mangena he explained several but this tik tok lawyers didn’t understood Thank You Col Sereo
He knows procedure and he is honest but evading answering some questions when it's convenient. He is holding back and over explaining in the hope the defense will be lost in his maze of uncalled for explanation.
Are u an advocate? Or attorney work. Why are you saying they are waiting time while it's their role to ask pertinent questions. No type of questions are prescribed for advocates.
Ushololo wamyeka where he said he made a mistake. When he changed and say he was suppose to say only bullet from big guns not 9mm. N on 9mm is only the cartridges...
This exhibit was brought to court, admitted as the court exhibit - brought to court in a sealed bag - opened before court - Mshololo was there as - she just had amnesia
Adv Mshololo was on point to ask the question on handling. Just because it was viewed in court it doesn't mean it should be handled differently i.e from a quality assurance point of view. The justification by Judge Ratha and Adv Baloyi is an error from quality management point of you because how sure will we be that it was the same one?
This case is madness
You are trying by all means to make the cross examination of Adv Mshololo on point neh … but but she should have objected the day when the col mangena open the bullet from from the evidence bag
So in plein language she failed
Nop....it was wrong for people to carry exhibits in pockets...it is not the adv duty to teach anyone how they should keep exhibits
How does this handling of this exhibit which is already before the court helps Mshololo's client?
@user-eo8ir7pt3p remember...the trial/case might not end here....that can only be done after the finalization of the case/matter...what if the accused say no we don't know this pocket evidence
Today I can confidently say police in this country they do as they wish and the judiciary is not what we expect it to be.
@@gordonmasondo7307 Fortunately that's your opinion and not facts 😂😂😂
@@walterndlovu-f2fwhat are facts?
@@walterndlovu-f2ffacts as evidenced in court
Unfortunately Advocate Mshololo's question was not fully answered..🤷🏽♂️..Mangena did his examination and found that he can use (TB 5 and TB 9)as his match..Sereo's findings were (TB 4 and TB 8) meaning they both came with different results but Sereo decided to take his verification and make them a final results..🤷🏽♂️..
This guy answers just like Gininda, well trained to lie with a smooth voice to confuse everybody.
Well said!
@@thokomsweli6174 👌👍
😂😂😂😂 maybe you can say. This is a well informed police
@@olvenletloenyane1893 100% correct. Very well informed. I hear him even use this word "subsequently" and it only reminds me of Gininda 👮👮🙄🤔😊😊
@@olvenletloenyane1893 100% correct.
The judge is not soft, he’s paid to rule a guilty verdict 🙄🙄
@@emiliestephanus7787 Do you have evidence ?
Paid by who? 😂😂 open a case against him if you have evidence
@@levelgroundboerboels4183 😂😂😂 he’s behavior though
Yes can't you see how he conducts himself in this court..the biased @@walterndlovu-f2f
He laughs at the lawyers, answers for the witnesses
Everything about this case is not make sure. The fact that the bullet was found so late after the scene has been tempered with, plus the gun alleged to have been used is different to the one that the eye witnesses discribed makes this entire case compromised
Wrong gun ....wrong bullet
My guess
And guess what, u a 💯%✓
This case is a shame, I wonder if the bullet was booked out from the ballistic to be brought to court. If senior police officers in SA are handling exhibits as such, in this case, there is a possibility of a planted bullet....hearing this today part of me believes that police can plant and alter evidence at the scene... These are senior police and they are handling a very critical exhibit in their pockets/handkerchiefs without properly sealing it, What a shame in South Africa... Police are really destroying this case...if I was a judge I would have thrown this case out.
Unfortunately you are not a judge and the one in place is turning a blind eye and deaf ear to the whole mess in that court
Possibility of a planted bullet? How was this possible especially with this case?
I saw a white handkerchief 😅
It is a common purpose from corrupt Police who shoot people and plant unlicensed fire arm to claim they were shot but In reality that was not the case.
@@walterndlovu-f2f
You know how you planted ot you can tell us yourself since you are part of the planting
Ngempela kuyadide the way Adv Nxumalo is doing his cross-examination, the Judge is correct when he asks the relevance of his line of question and where is going to lead.
Adv Mshololo a witness comes to court as an axpert and leaves the court as a glorified analyst 😅😅
😂😂😂 u can say that again ...
Baloyi and those police all gonna be jailed
@@marieklaaste9699 That will happen only in your wet dreams 😂😂
Including this old woman judge!
@@marieklaaste9699 Actually i don't like engaging with you because you like dropping these statements and when there's questions as a result, you become clueless.
When is Ratha going to be arrested and who's the complainants? Baloyi and Ratha will only be jailed through social media. Corruption and bribery accusations against the two is like a national anthem as we are used to them.
Whoever has a case against them is free to approach the police and open a case against them unlike always barking behind your key boards 😂😂😂
@@marieklaaste9699 Sifiso said that a long time ago.
The bullet hit the deceased,went out through the door and came back via the same hole and sit behind the jar inside the house.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.That bullet is so clever.
Those who were in the house including Gininda told the court that the murder weapon is a revolver(a gun with a wheel)
No catridges found.
The problem here is the judge.
Regulation are guide lines but we are not perfect I love dat from serero ..he is aware dat the have broke the rules so rules are rules should be respected no matter what
It's worse in this field coz making those mistakes might cost someone his freedom
All baloýi witnesses so far lies under oath
@@JeffreyvictorMhlanga-ol9sq For him to say they are not perfect doesn't mean there's a wrong that Mangena has done.
Regulation are guidelines and policies. If some one challenge u in court of ur superiors will say u dd not follow rules and regulations ull be on ur own. Whether u bend them or bypass thembits wrong
Everything must be recorded in the register so that it can be traceable what if mangena died during the process or worst case some come and claim that gun was used in crime while u hide it in ur office not recorded in the register.
MSHOLOLO IMBOKODO ... VERY COOL AND RELAXED UYABANGENA NTOMBAZANE.. IF SOME ONE TO CRACK THIS CASE .IS NON THAN THE ONLY ONE MSHOLOLO...SHE
Mshololo never misses, she's the beast and rathaven knows it... 😢1:45 Baloyi was blue ticked
The defense shows they r ready for an appeal they r no longer entertaining both the judge and state ...just make things to be on record
The started long time.
The judge is not writing during cross examination of the defence
I noticed that
He knows all their lies by head it's not necessary for him to write that nonsense
@@carolinenombula3941 You guys are obsessed with the judge and Chicco while most of us are listening and following evidence.
@@justinmothibi5739 Ola bro and what happened to Bule?
@@walterndlovu-f2f lol do you mean the lady from the comment section Bule M? 😂😂😂
Mangena lied and said only cartridges for 9mm are kept in the IBIS system
Mshololo's logic regarding the barrel swap is unclear. It is the barrel that imprints grooves and striations on the bullet, and both Roelofse and Mangena essentially tested the same barrel. Accused's gun also had the same barrel. Changing other parts of the gun only affects the cartridges, and since no cartridge was found, the barrel swap is irrelevant. Mshololo seems to always grab the wrong end of the stick. How can one person get a wrong understanding most of the time?
Looooool I don't think you understand the reason behind her question,go and listen again to her question and the follow up question in regards to the barrel question then you would understand,infact the defence case is always bullets were planted,barrels were changed so you don't understand the reasoning behind the question and this witness played right into her hands,teh defence has to plant doubts into the state case and not to prove beyond reasonable doubt therefore Mshololo was merely trying to put doubt by saying the barrel of the gun couldhave been changed by a ballistic expert and because of the training they received they are able to change barrels faster so they can get the positive results they wants after testing and getting none at first
😂😂
Well explained and respectfully so
@nobuhlemathenjwa71 You fail to understand logic and are swayed by baseless inferences that the judge will most probably disregard. The barrel change issue is irrelevant, and despite my clear explanation, you're still missing the point.
Mshololo often misinterprets concepts, which fails to convince most rational observers.
While the theory that the bullet was "planted" is one of the defence's strongest argument, they haven't developed it adequately. The defence has only offered weak inferences, easily dismissed by any rational person or witness (Ginida and the ballistic analysts).
Though the state still has significant work to do to prove guilt and may even fail to do so, it doesn't change the fact that the defence's case and presentation were underwhelming.
Wait for closing arguments @@Adjudicator246
South African police are corrupt
I had a case against 32 police officers but even 2day the docket its lost
It's a case of 2020 I don't know where I can get help
I reported the Judge, Prosecutor and Clerk of the court for Mismanagement and I had proof, the Court Manager simply transferred my case to another court & did not take action against the parties involved so I took it upon myself to report to the DoJ and Magistrate's Commission. If you don't escalate them you will never get the justice you deserve.
Contact power fm
What IPID says about that?
Who handled the case for the first time?😊
@@vinchenzongubeni-ik3if Experienced the same thing years ago after being a victim of a horrible horrible crime!
Follow maCG podcast, one he interviewed Sifiso meyiwa. He talked about helping people like you.
It's 2050, the state just called their witness number 99 in the list, Colonel Mtshali. Yoh hay, just how many colonels were involved in this case?
Seroro must help himself and speak the truth.. Lies will catch up with him he clearly knows n see where this is going
@@thabomokone-n6b If you can distinguish between truth and lies you should have seen it with the accused. They've been telling lies ever since this case started and even distancing themselves even from their instructions through their lawyers 😂😂🤣
The eyes of Ratha are those of a crook. 😅👏🏽😩
Yeboo Mshololo that's it where are the rules and procedures, where is this judge coming from
The judge addresses the advocate in court as 'sister' but the policeman as colonel, or am I paranoid?
You are not lotata is in someone's payroll and he makes it obvious
If I was msho I was gonna call him papa and his witness bhuti
I told u Mangena knew the system and they defeated this case by bypassing ibis😢😢😢. Mangena is fraud and dirty😢😢😢
I like the way he explaine the standard procedures.he is very clear.
State does not have a case. We can speak all the languages of angels, this case has collapsed from day one
You want the other ‘ naive group to eat you?
How do you finish this case without having a solid evidence. Too much loopholes
Really it's not a shadow of a doubt it's at night... I think they should have taken time ... I mean 4 of those guys are behind bars already
Serero is the first police officer in this case to come with truth and clear explanation
I have a problem with people not following procedure and claim exceptional circumstances...what may be exceptional to one may not be to the other hence rules or procedures are there for everyone to toe the same line
The witness is very eloquent and knowledgeable in his field. The defence failed to pin him down.
We're tired about the fabrications and the cooking of this case, according to me this case is to be close,and it will be opened when Kelly and her mother and the neighbor and their colleagues will appear at the court to confess with new advocates,new judge,new state representative and new witnesses Kelly and helle, we're not interested in the caree of ballistics and who ever,but want the truth and go on to listen to other cases, enough is enough
I am wondering what the "people" were going to say if it were Baloi who was late...or the judge!
which people?
Well they'd say he's cooking!
As u can see many people are commenting as if they were at the scene and they saw what happened 😅
What happened izolo bafowethu
Exhibit carelessly handled
The court and the state failed dismally in handling the exhibit bullet even if it was brought to the court. The one who brought it was suppose to carry another seal which after showing the court the bullet is returned in the bad and sealed with a new seal and be recorded again in court that the seal number has changed. Ratha to support such failure is a travesty of justice. He is messing this case.
Yho! I was worried about Adv Ramasopele, many thoughts were going through my mind as to what could've gone wrong, why Adv Baloyi couldn't get him on his cellphone, cellphone ringing but not being answered.
😂 the incompetence in this case is so funny...
Hai we are not serious as a country
Nxumalo kwakumele abo uthisha we History not a lawyer
Kahle kahle😅
The defense my call cms company, ibis, administration personnel at forensic science laboratory to clarify.
His got a cellphone and he doesn't answer it, why would someone answer a call while driving 🙁
My question exactly lol cause by Law we not allowed to drive and answer or text with a phone but ke there's an excuse of handsfree these days.
I have cars but don't have hands free device and won't risk pairing my phone with car Bluetooth radio system😂
The accused are looking suprised, I do not know why or they donot believe Colonel' testimony.
How about DNA test on bullet found on the crime scene
@@sixolilehlabiso7085 Was there any biological material found on the bullet? Mybe i missed that.
@user-eo8ir7pt3p
Chain of evidence required them to check for that and also fingerprints . Why was it not done ?
@user-eo8ir7pt3p No, there was not. After they asked Mangena, he said, "These bullets move very fast, by the time the victim starts bleeding, long has the bullet exited the body".
@@siphonengu5436 To be honest, this question is unfair and worse irrelevant if you guys expect a response from Mangena because he is not a DNA but ballistic analyst. This question should have been raised with the police DNA expert who testified last year.
@@sixolilehlabiso7085 Mangena is a ballistic analyst and not DNA analyst. So your question is irrelevant.
“It’s one of those exceptional circumstances”. Wow🙄
We will just wait for ConCourt to hear under which legislation or law are those exceptional circumstances are acceptable
Adv Baloyi Keeps Caughing when the witness is asked a question.. he always respond no or I can't answer.. This Case is Cooked For real , I can smell the Cooking. There's no way that witness could never know that Mangena verified with more experts.
Adv Mshololo umdontse ngama🍒
😂😅😅😊
Yaaa ne I feel for the meyiwas
😢 yaa
It is hoped that, during his roughly 27 years of forensic experience, Dave has not brought exhibits directly into the lab as Mangena has done. If there is any record of Dave having done so in the past, the value of the defence's argument regarding the legality of that action would be neutralised. It also becomes risky to call Dave as a witness.
Mark my words whites never wanted to loose against blacks Dave is coming with something big. N Ratha is afraid of whites ne re tlo Bona. Dat is why Dave is working regardless
"By an institution, not a person" - hmmm
Nonsense. Youcan if it finds you in the middle of the case
Ratha wants to school the defence too irrigating 😢they are also human
Ratha and Baloi they received money that's why they want to give these accused cooked case but this judge why is she doing this😮😢
Now you are a big liar. How much was paid to the judge and prosecutor by who? So why we should believe your lies?
@NontandoWeza-c6p you are crazy wena
This witness thinks he is smart...very evasive. 😂
Baloyi team says he smart. I am starting to doubt baloyi fan’s intelligence
Rata gonna put state under bus he knows baloyi play with is career
RIP Jamnadas
Kannete I didn't know gore "sbilone"means experience but am learning isizulu thanks to translator
"Spiloyoni" ngwaneso
Yes
Nails Mshololo you want all the guys to see you today
Ratha you cannot answer a cellphone when you are driving.
Mnisi knows what he is doing he was not doing this if it's was another judge
The fearing look from Nxumalo to my Lord😂
technicalities vs facts....
The Colonel is confident which proves that he is senior and an expert witness, it is very interesting. 😂
Y 2:20:13 you think so?
This is a drama
Uthini baloi nomlomo wenja😂🎉🎉
Kelly is sinking
batla go control defense how they wana cross examine ke makgakga le lenyatso wa tlwaela🚮🚩'too soft' kgaaaaaa🤮
Go diragaletseng kante? Ke gone kere ke a sheba
@@modiegisereetsi6092heheh you come late and talk,adjourned babe mr askheeed will grill him 2mr coz he wasnt there
Mma Ntwadumela, mme wa ko Gaberone...i missed you today
Uyahlanya wena mbongolo emnyama
@@ThandekaMkhize-n1j Ao Thandeka....yoh
2:38:10 uh everything in this case was never done. State bring new evidence everyday but you allow it
Udonse umrharha umshololo today i wonder ngoma yikhehla nje ufakazi uzothini
Umshololo uhlez phansi akasukumi😂😂😂
This analyst knows his work.
Ge
He turned to be defense lecture.
😂 but do you think the lecturing was relevant. This chief expert was only brought to cover mangena’s fault. Defence saw opportunity to get his to lecture the process and procedures. I dnt know if you understand. They are getting him to record the procedures that’s why he bocomes evasive at point
I like when pawpaw said phone him😂
They brought it so that they touch and leave their finger orints on it ,,the defence should have jot allowed that
Uthi enzeni uSereo ngobufakazi bukaMangena umyekile uMangena ekhona lana
IJudge bandla 🤣🚮. What a fraud 🚮🤭😅
Guys what kind of a witnesses is this
Opening to Trolls Word Tour 2020 DVD Trial 0
It's wrong to break rules 1 it's 1 once you change 1 to 2 you are out of order so serer it's cause the have brake the rules of collecting the exbit
He Hlungwane Neamitwa wa hlola Mthondolovan😂
I hear the pen
😅
Mangena in translation does not change. Pliz tell him😂
So humble and respectful our Adv. Baloyi. I love his character maan
A crook and a cooker
Very true ..this guy is so humble
Are you related
The pain is felt by the recipient. The manipulator is always relaxed. Let him be in a position where he has to fight for his life, ul ca different person
Humble corrupt snake
How I wish all police officers can know their story like this Col Sereo….
😂😂 the defence saw that this guy knows what his talking about …hense some dont want to ask relevant questions are busy asking questions which won’t assist in anyway
Col mangena he explained several but this tik tok lawyers didn’t understood
Thank You Col Sereo
He not sure baloy get him in this mess
He knows procedure and he is honest but evading answering some questions when it's convenient. He is holding back and over explaining in the hope the defense will be lost in his maze of uncalled for explanation.
Mnisi just gonna come tomorrow and waste time with imaterial questions and statements the whole day until they adjourn til Monday for new witness 🤦♂️
Baloyi dont know this case he look for wittness to come and correct defence questions. Baloyi got no case he in this mess of CHICCO
Can you assist Mnisi by relevant questions please.. To avoid unnecessary delays... 🙏
@@marieklaaste9699 lol
@@petronkosi7422 okay 👍🏾
Are u an advocate? Or attorney work. Why are you saying they are waiting time while it's their role to ask pertinent questions. No type of questions are prescribed for advocates.
Lawyers are confused now they don't know what to ask now
Mshololo
Yoh
😢😢😢
Judge Ratha you too soft and they insulting you still these layers they do what ever they want
What are they laying as an insult?
Usangene wena
What do you mean he's too soft?
Guys this is spam/bot just ignore it.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Colonel Mangena is very intelligent
Stole evidence from the door
When😂??
If u think he is smart, then u are stupid!
😅😅
Ushololo wamyeka where he said he made a mistake. When he changed and say he was suppose to say only bullet from big guns not 9mm. N on 9mm is only the cartridges...
Exhibits brought in court in a henkerchief, haibo 😮😮😮
What a disgrace for our country
😂😂😂😂
This exhibit was brought to court, admitted as the court exhibit - brought to court in a sealed bag - opened before court - Mshololo was there as - she just had amnesia
@@refilwemontshiwa got you
The judge was on tiktok whole Nxumalo was cross examining thr witness.. 😂😂😂
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