The lady said she emailed it to Baloyi but Ratha wants the defense advocates to confirm it, why not ask Baloyi whether he received the statement or not? Listening to this judge is torture in a way becz he does and says so many abnormal things in one day. He introduces the phrase " is she lying". The defense are in no position to say whether the lady lied or not, she didn't send it to them. Ratha does these irregularities as an indication that he is on the side of the state.
I fully agree with the gentleman who wrote the letter of complaint. There are frequent delays in court proceedings, and a “15-minute break” rarely lasts only 15 minutes, same a the long adjustment. Court sessions should commence promptly at 10 a.m., and prisoners should arrive on time. This can be achieved if the judge communicates directly with the prison head of service, instructing that all prisoners scheduled for the day be seated and ready by 10 a.m. Furthermore, court proceedings should conclude at 4 p.m., not 3 p.m., as is often the case. On Fridays, courts typically finish even earlier, around 2:30 p.m., which is unacceptable. These recurring delays and early closures disrupt the judicial process and undermine its efficiency. It is essential to acknowledge the concerns raised in the letter by the Justice of the Peace (JP). The letter was sent for a reason, and it is time to address these issues instead of making excuses Mr Rata.
Judge is taking that letter way out of context it's pathetic. U can have tea and lunch but don't say 15 minutes and take an hour. If u say 1 hr don't take 2 hours. And taking about being sick that letter mentions nothing about being sick! He is being so petty and incompetent. How can you call yourself a judge but you cannot read something for what it is. Instead u twist it to your own narrative
@@AVISECURITY-o6o exactly. The sick I understand and late witnesses and prisoner I understand but the tea and lunch breaks are so long. And u work till 3. Count how many hours they working honestly. With all their long tea breaks and lunches. It's like 4 hours or less
I hear you clearly, even being late is not an excuse there are ppl who are starting from 7o'clock at thier work , they make sure they wake up early. Starting from 10 h00 but complaining for traffic blah blah ...Ratha even a 5years old is @ school at that time cabanga .
The state is delaying this case by calling 100 witnesses whom mostly are SAPS who were not in the house when the deceased was shot. The 8 witnesses who were in the house, said their rubbish and they went away, but Kelly Khumalo's is not called as one of the witnesses, she was in the house, she did not run to the bathroom or bedroom. She took a hat from the crime scene put it in her pocket went with it to the hospital then eventually hand it over to the police. This case was a cooked up fairytale story, then witnesses started dying, they are late, they cannot come to court to confirm their hearsay statements for the fabricated case. There are leads that were not followed up, Tumelo Madlala's Section 205, does not start from the date of the commission of the crime, but starts days after the incident because it will prove that he did call Mr. Hlophe informing him that Senzo had been shot by Zandi's boyfriend. And we don't see Kelly Khumalo as suspect No. 6
if you follow the case evidence properly Kelly is the mastermind, so the state strategy is simple prosecute the five hired accused hitmen first successfully than prosecute Kelly and those who help her separately after the five accused are been sentenced
The letter is hitting Ratha's jugular. More letters must flood the judge presidence's desk oftentimes. The letter is not about those who fall sick in court. Ratha you are running away from the essence of the letter. Dont get agitated . The author is within his right to voice out his concern. Now Ratha is misinterpreting the content of the letter.
Lol Ratha is untouchable and most importantly this case is almost done there's no one who'd want to start this case from scratch. Serve the nation one last time king Ratha 5 life sentences and comeback to precide over kelly khumalo trial and 3 others. Allegedly
@sarahmkhabela5485 Ratha uhlule iBLA and is older than the JP he will write a judgment for this case there's no one that's going to remove him .We are happy as a country to finally get closure ngo Senzo. Allegedly
the people delaying this case unnecessarily so it's the defence lawyers.if it's not this it's that..this is too much now.i don't think this will help their cause though
Your defense team are very disrespectful, it's only 2 of them who pay respect to our Judge unless you take sides sorry for reply please don't insult me 😂
Ratha is wasting time again as the letter stated, there was no need for Gininda to read all this statement of Stein, Baloyi admitted in front of him that there is no such statement but jikjik the statement now is exhibit O1 and the very exhibit O1 was put on record the day Stein testified, that is totally the waste of time
As a layperson justice is emotional.. the state has a case implicating the accused.. the defense will present its own case.. the state will also poke wholes.. then we hve closing arguments. Its too early to take a side.
the state have a very strong solid case against the five accused, you can see how the accused lawyers not directly challenging the evidence put on court records by the state
@@thusoramakobya7054 the problem with accused 2 he put too many different versions on record to the court. One of accused 2 version he said he was at work in the day when senzo was killed than the state called accused 2 HR boss at mine as a state witness who testified and provided records which shows accused 2 was off on the day senzo was killed. Another accused 2 version he says he was at home at KwaZulu-Natal in the weekend senzo was killed paying lobola and he done bank withdrawals in KwaZulu-Natal than the state called account manager from capitec the bank accused 2 was using and the provided bank statements proving that accused 2 on the weekend senzo was killed he was at vosloorus withdrawing money at the ATM in Naledi mall which the same Naledi mall it's just steps away from Basothong hostel the same hostel which another state witness statement says he was with accused 2 and accused 1, 3, 4 & 5 with other people at basothong hostel. Other thing on accused 2 second confession which he made in the presence of his than first lawyer & the magistrate he confession he was in vosloorus and his cell phone record on bank ATM statement shows he withdrawal money in vosloorus and cell phone expert evidence also shows accused 2 he was at vosloorus the day senzo was killed.
@@thusoramakobya7054 the second confession of accused 2 was made in the presence of his first former lawyer and the court magistrate its so critical because his first former lawyer advised accused 2 before making of that confession
The line between firmness and rudeness seems very thin for Mr Minisi to realize. Highly incompetent yet arrogant fellow. He pours cold water to the "black excellence" mantra
Nandipa Magudumana is behind bars What's special about Kelly It's clearly she's the master mind in all this unless and until she's related to the Hitman
Waze wavalelisa kahle uBrig Gininda ku Adv. Mnisi wamnika indlela atanda ukupatwa ngayo. Lenaye azokupata ngayo. Umntu xa ecinga uzokuhlekisa ngawe, mbeke endleleni umxelele ungubani wena and how you would like to be treated cause you always treat them with respect. Thank you mhlekazi Gininda
@wandisilekajolinkomomphank5333 there's no more hiding behind the thumb .He tried to contain Gininda by telling him that the tail doesn't wag the dog .The thing with Gininda he is uncontainable he's the defence's worst nightmare. He explains verbatim as he always put it .I am hopeful in SA justice system and this unashamed to say this case has taught me a lot .ALLEGEDLY
The case of ntanzi was already canvased in the trial within trial.. there's no need to repeat issues... One aspect that ramosepele relied on was the identity parade... Gininda ddnt know how to answer that . The rest I leave to experts
the problem is accused 2 not his lawyer Sipho Ramosepele , first accused 2 give his second confession in presence of his than first lawyer and the court magistrate, accused 2 keeps on giving the court different versions for example he said on his other version when Senzo was killed he was at work than the state called accused 2 work HR boss at the mine as the stated witness who testify and provided records that accused 2 was off at work on that day. what can instructing attorney - Sipho Ramosepele do with the accused who changes his version to the court every time because very version accused 2 says its been put on the court record as evidence
I doubt if Accused No 3, 4 and 5 feel anything about this case even if they are found GUILTY it will mean nothing as they are all pulling or serving loooong sentences...Accused No 5 he is doing 06 life sentences, No 4 he is doing 25yrs (subject to correction) and No 3 doing 30yrs....so to be sentenced in this case (if they are convicted) will make a small if any difference..19/11/2024
This is the funniest case I have watched!Reminds me of judge Maumela who used to postpone for months!I think they must watch court proceedings from other countries!A joke in SA because of corruption!
Brig BN Gininda is highly competent when it comes to investigation I respect him a lot.....You can butcher me and call me Domkop or anything....he is diligent and fair ..18/11/2024
You are putting this later cause is one of your team. . Who submitted this later.. allegedly ... we are still waiting for our turn.. we won't rest until true justice is saved
I'm the one who wrote the letter nkosyam.....I apologise to the officers of the court 😂😂😂and the people of SA kodwa ke kade laqala lelicala futhi kwesinye iskhathi liyamoshwa ngempela ixesha ikakhulukezi yibo abameli ababambezela icala kodwa I apologise🙏🙏
🗣as a concerned lekwerekwere🇧🇼whoever wrote that letter climbed nothing but the truth,court is playing they must stop justifying themselves they are just wasting time,truth itches🚩what a mockery of justice🚮
I agree with the person who wrote the letter. Even you Jugdge, you once complaigned about time wasting in this court. I do not the person who wrote the letter was complaigning about sickness and exams. I think he/she is complaigning about starting early and finishing early. The addjournments are longer than as supposed to be.
@@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us i agree with you. I'm not complaining about adjournments per ser but they say they adjourn for 15 minutes but come back aftet 45 minutes. Sometimes they even say live that are planning to leave early, it mostly happens on Fridays.
This judge always say negative this to oppose defense and the defense have the right to chalkenge anything which thy see it wrong then when thy challenge it instead the state to object then boom judge object. So who have to make a ruling on what he object, protecting witnesses it wont brong fair justice to this court.
I fully concur with the gentlemen. They are wasting time.. Lots of breaks and postponents. Ratha , I thought you will support the motion. Or maybe niyadla nonke ngezi postpones.
Adv G Baloyi should ask in terms of section ,3 (1) (c) of Act 45 of 1988 Law of Evidence Amendment Act...for the statement (s) of Gwabini and Simphiwe and possibly Makhosonke...18/11/2024
Mzilikazi I think the case is just too strong for their (more especially No2) there is nothing he (Ramosepele) can do....But uZwide (Adv Z Nxumalo) can try his best ...he has a leg to stand...18/11/2024
To think Bheki Cele was busy Kwameyiwa eyoqamba amanga negenge yakhe worse ke nasemngcwabeni ka Babu Sam waze wakhuluma ayi umuntu uyingozi ngempela..Just a thought nje while watching even yesterday I was watching Netflix Doc ka Senzo hhayi kuningi okungahlangani ngale case.
I wonder why Makhosonke and Gwabini were not called as witnesses coz from the testimony of Brig BN Gininda it's not evident that both gentlemen are no longer alive or untraceable..... they would have, I believe, share a better light on the issues at hand ..I strongly believe that adv G Baloyi competent as he is he knows why ..so as Brig BN Gininda. 18/11/2024
Exactly, guys Mnisi was correct. When Baloyi is caught in his games, he is hardly called to order. At the end of the day Gininda admitted that there is NO COMMUNICATION or CALLS between Kelly and accused 3 & 5. Gininda said there is a link in Steyn's spiderweb analysis but no communication/ calls. This is important because SAPS claimed there was a WhatsApp calls between Kelly and accused 5 and a BBM call between Kelly and the same accused. We know that WhatsApp calls started in March/ April 2015, there were no WhatsApp calls in 2014. Secondly, there can be no BBM call between a BlackBerry and a non-BlackBerry phone. Kelly had a BlackBerry phone but accused 5 did not. So, Mnisi was correct because Gininda, finally, confirmed that there was no communication but a "link" or "linkages" whatever that means. The State might succeed in the High Court but this case will be appealed and won in the SCA. Ramosepele and Mnisi were correct in ensuring that this is the record because you cannot bring new evidence on appeal at the SCA. The record is now clear, there was no communication but money bags memes.
Why Ratha is taking things personal, the guy is on point ...thy need to have a special arrangement regarding transportetion ect ... Balayi fakazile.....
Ufane wazihlanyisa uMnisi, uMncube wambulala uSoccer star wethu, icacile, bayabhantinta ezinkabi for ukubulela but when it comes to uSenzo niyabaphikela asif kuthathwe abantu aba innocent mpxim
mxm Gininda thinks we are all kids, Ntazi was asked by several police abt his whereabout on the 26 of October 2014, n he replied that he was at work as they were insisting that he was involved
If you were arrested today and sked where you were 6 years ago on 11 April 2018, would you know where you were? No, you would not. That is why in the USA you always plead the fifth, the general populace in RSA do not know their right not to speak when apprehended.
I would know if they gave me details, since I know the death of Senzo was on a Sunday, n It happens by that time I was at work. It's either I am at work, home or groove. So ya it's easy, even myself I know dt on Saturday was at work since its half day n Sunday I was at home n heard the news early in the morning via watsap dt Senzo was shot dead at the spaza by Longwe
Megadza listening is a skill. Gininda said Steyn that there was COMMUNICATION between accused 3 and Kelly. Mnisi asked for the statement that says so . Baloyi admitted there is no such statement. Statement 01 talks about a LINK not COMMUNICATION.
When one is raising a point whether write or wrong there is no need for mockery tbey are all adults, its not about people on you tube at the end of the day, its about the family of the deceased and the accused. I should think the advocates should concentrate more on freeing the accused than about his popularity on you tube. Like adv. Ramasepele he made his points and showed loopholes without minimizing the other party, but there is a big 3 that is coming where cooking and educational levels will flow yet Senzo was not killed by a certificate
The truth hurts judge Ratha and Baloyi, they can’t even get the fact that they’re unnecessarily dragging this trial with their cooking and useless police witnesses.
Original from bank not from ginindi ntanzi wanted to bank two weeks ago to print his own statements but they refused him to go Ramosepele as Laywer he’s got right to go there what useless lawyer
Are you accusing the bank that they email court the fake bank statements? Cha nina seniyagula emakhanda. Nibona ukuthi i bank selingazibophisa ngemxa kaNtanzi? Banks always do this exercise whenever the court request bank statements. Yini nenze ngathi ivala likaSenzo lihlukile? Courts have dealtt with cases of Billionaires. What is so special about Nfanzi and Kelly? Mnxhm
There is a link between kelly acc 3 and 5 according to cellphone data analysed by Mr Steenkamp, according to Brig hr never said there is communication. Hence Adv Mnisi did not respond
Lol your folling other case I hope mnisi requested documents last week already, and the state did not give him and he start by requesting them again wich is not fair trial as he have to prepare crosexamination on those documets you only see problem now n you don't understand wer it's coming from,state think it's clever.
Some people just talk for the sake of o talking with understanding, how the documents were handed to Mnisi is unprofessional and the force him to cross-examine. Look at the judge when the state is caught with lies
Ratha is really a "mis-guided missile". Even if he might have issues with the letter , surely going into such this kind of public tirade (wasting the very time that many are complaining about) is something else. We have a whole judge descending into the public arena; can that be ever called for really?
We all work and have hours, the judge must be honest, we are wasting time, and money for the attorneys. Get on with the job please Fridays there is always a problem
you see exactly my point, Rama leaves matters hanging without challenging them, even ratha has picked that up, that make his defence weak.us as spectators we are left even more confused on hs cross examination.
According to me, advocate Baloyi is delaying this case by bringing unnecessary witnesses who were not even in the scene of crime just because he wants to convict the wrong people.
The lady said she emailed it to Baloyi but Ratha wants the defense advocates to confirm it, why not ask Baloyi whether he received the statement or not? Listening to this judge is torture in a way becz he does and says so many abnormal things in one day. He introduces the phrase " is she lying". The defense are in no position to say whether the lady lied or not, she didn't send it to them. Ratha does these irregularities as an indication that he is on the side of the state.
I agree with the gentleman who wrote the letter time is wasted in this court but the Judge doesn't want to admit
I agree with the person who wrote that letter there's too much unnecessary delays. There was a time the defense asked for almost three weeks
True
I think there is some truth to it but Judge is trying to be fair to the incompetent defense who are ill prepared for this case.
The gentleman speaks the truth
Even the mngomezulus who constantly sick that is also count on incompetence of defence?,come on
I fully agree with the gentleman who wrote the letter of complaint. There are frequent delays in court proceedings, and a “15-minute break” rarely lasts only 15 minutes, same a the long adjustment. Court sessions should commence promptly at 10 a.m., and prisoners should arrive on time. This can be achieved if the judge communicates directly with the prison head of service, instructing that all prisoners scheduled for the day be seated and ready by 10 a.m.
Furthermore, court proceedings should conclude at 4 p.m., not 3 p.m., as is often the case. On Fridays, courts typically finish even earlier, around 2:30 p.m., which is unacceptable. These recurring delays and early closures disrupt the judicial process and undermine its efficiency.
It is essential to acknowledge the concerns raised in the letter by the Justice of the Peace (JP). The letter was sent for a reason, and it is time to address these issues instead of making excuses Mr Rata.
Yes you are taking sides
Same here
Judge is taking that letter way out of context it's pathetic. U can have tea and lunch but don't say 15 minutes and take an hour. If u say 1 hr don't take 2 hours. And taking about being sick that letter mentions nothing about being sick! He is being so petty and incompetent. How can you call yourself a judge but you cannot read something for what it is. Instead u twist it to your own narrative
Exactly, 1 hour is 1 hour 30. 15 minutes is 46 minutes.
@@AVISECURITY-o6o exactly. The sick I understand and late witnesses and prisoner I understand but the tea and lunch breaks are so long. And u work till 3. Count how many hours they working honestly. With all their long tea breaks and lunches. It's like 4 hours or less
Rata must go
I hear you clearly, even being late is not an excuse there are ppl who are starting from 7o'clock at thier work , they make sure they wake up early. Starting from 10 h00 but complaining for traffic blah blah ...Ratha even a 5years old is @ school at that time cabanga .
The state is delaying this case by calling 100 witnesses whom mostly are SAPS who were not in the house when the deceased was shot. The 8 witnesses who were in the house, said their rubbish and they went away, but Kelly Khumalo's is not called as one of the witnesses, she was in the house, she did not run to the bathroom or bedroom. She took a hat from the crime scene put it in her pocket went with it to the hospital then eventually hand it over to the police. This case was a cooked up fairytale story, then witnesses started dying, they are late, they cannot come to court to confirm their hearsay statements for the fabricated case. There are leads that were not followed up, Tumelo Madlala's Section 205, does not start from the date of the commission of the crime, but starts days after the incident because it will prove that he did call Mr. Hlophe informing him that Senzo had been shot by Zandi's boyfriend. And we don't see Kelly Khumalo as suspect No. 6
if you follow the case evidence properly Kelly is the mastermind, so the state strategy is simple prosecute the five hired accused hitmen first successfully than prosecute Kelly and those who help her separately after the five accused are been sentenced
The letter is hitting Ratha's jugular. More letters must flood the judge presidence's desk oftentimes. The letter is not about those who fall sick in court. Ratha you are running away from the essence of the letter. Dont get agitated . The author is within his right to voice out his concern. Now Ratha is misinterpreting the content of the letter.
Lol Ratha is untouchable and most importantly this case is almost done there's no one who'd want to start this case from scratch. Serve the nation one last time king Ratha 5 life sentences and comeback to precide over kelly khumalo trial and 3 others. Allegedly
You nailed it...👌🏾
Please represent those contents better
Yes we must do that but to whom do we address or send the letter to?. Please give us more info on how to go about this
@sarahmkhabela5485 Ratha uhlule iBLA and is older than the JP he will write a judgment for this case there's no one that's going to remove him .We are happy as a country to finally get closure ngo Senzo. Allegedly
The author of the letter is 100% correct.
All he is saying is to be punctual and make maximum use of time.
But I don’t think he meant you should not have breaks but there’s lots of time being wasted I guess that’s what he meant
Ratha knows very well that they are wasting time
4:13:36 There is no fairness here; Witness can change their story when it suit them
Mnisi think being a lawyer means you need to disrespect a witness and I'm happy gininda put him in his place 😅😅😅😅
@@kk35-nif Yes u undermine ama witnesses especially uBrig akafuni nokumbona uMnisi, lonto leyo uyalazi iqiniso yena uMncube wamxelela kodwa angavuya noba kungathiwa uBrig ugilwe yimoto wafa🤔
Uyabheda wena
Kk-35 you are 💯 correct...19/11/2024
U are killing me with luffter Luyanda😂😂😂😂😂...19/11/2024
You are right, and there is more to come. Gininda knows his game
the people delaying this case unnecessarily so it's the defence lawyers.if it's not this it's that..this is too much now.i don't think this will help their cause though
Criminal procedure.. u dnt just rush to close the Case without proper scrutiny
@@thusoramakobya7054and there are five accused who wrongfully appear before this court...
Ayi lam Lowyer 😮
The judge has all the powers in court, to read what needs to be heard
That's true
Volume pls.
He's even referred to as" my Lord " " the Court "
Agree 💯 with you most of the defence come to court unprepared and ask for adjourne
Am sure people have been complaining also abt this judge's behaviour against the defence bt he never brought the letter to Public as he did today
Your defense team are very disrespectful, it's only 2 of them who pay respect to our Judge unless you take sides sorry for reply please don't insult me 😂
If the court find the accused persons guilty.
If would mean the killing of Senzo was contractual and Ms. K Khumalo is the killer.
That one is NEXT
Ai no these defense lawyers are very weak shame ngeke but then again they are of legal aid 🤦♂️
Its always adjournments and knocking off early especially on Fridays this case is just a mess
So you are following mess right and makes you what
Messi😂
@@BlanketKombersfokof wena!!
Now today I can confirm that this Judge will sentence these innocent accused
Let them defend themselves 😂
@@siyamsiyana5396 lol these guilty nkabis is that what you mean?
I wonder yini Le eseyishiwo ekwenza Uthi ba innocent
OMnisi basimoshela iskhathi ngalabantu Gininda ur a man
He already sentenced them, we just don't know it yet.
Ratha is wasting time again as the letter stated, there was no need for Gininda to read all this statement of Stein, Baloyi admitted in front of him that there is no such statement but jikjik the statement now is exhibit O1 and the very exhibit O1 was put on record the day Stein testified, that is totally the waste of time
This Judge shem.... Why he decided to adjourned when Gininda is cornerd about the linkages of Acc3 and Kelly😱
Defence was trying to get an adjournment over a statement that they have our Brig is sharp ngeke nilunge .Allegedly
@@Chibvunzaopen your eyescan't you see your brigadier is sinking the ship ?
@njabulojb2994 lol not even he's cruising boss bokungeke uMnisi alwele I adjournment abe angamsabi uGininda.Allegedly
Starting at 10 public assumes all have had tea already why adjourn again at 11
As a layperson justice is emotional.. the state has a case implicating the accused.. the defense will present its own case.. the state will also poke wholes.. then we hve closing arguments. Its too early to take a side.
the state have a very strong solid case against the five accused, you can see how the accused lawyers not directly challenging the evidence put on court records by the state
@boikanyomaboke8628 the confessions are not making sense...
@@thusoramakobya7054 the problem with accused 2 he put too many different versions on record to the court. One of accused 2 version he said he was at work in the day when senzo was killed than the state called accused 2 HR boss at mine as a state witness who testified and provided records which shows accused 2 was off on the day senzo was killed. Another accused 2 version he says he was at home at KwaZulu-Natal in the weekend senzo was killed paying lobola and he done bank withdrawals in KwaZulu-Natal than the state called account manager from capitec the bank accused 2 was using and the provided bank statements proving that accused 2 on the weekend senzo was killed he was at vosloorus withdrawing money at the ATM in Naledi mall which the same Naledi mall it's just steps away from Basothong hostel the same hostel which another state witness statement says he was with accused 2 and accused 1, 3, 4 & 5 with other people at basothong hostel. Other thing on accused 2 second confession which he made in the presence of his than first lawyer & the magistrate he confession he was in vosloorus and his cell phone record on bank ATM statement shows he withdrawal money in vosloorus and cell phone expert evidence also shows accused 2 he was at vosloorus the day senzo was killed.
@@boikanyomaboke8628 the state has no solid evidence only corrupt officials who are backing them
@@thusoramakobya7054 the second confession of accused 2 was made in the presence of his first former lawyer and the court magistrate its so critical because his first former lawyer advised accused 2 before making of that confession
The line between firmness and rudeness seems very thin for Mr Minisi to realize. Highly incompetent yet arrogant fellow. He pours cold water to the "black excellence" mantra
Makukhulunya ngomphuphe we lowyer
So it's fair when witnesses are rude to them?
Totally agree with that letter...you guys nisebenza 3hrs a day🤦 10h20 to 15h15 minus 1h20 lunch plus 45min tea break
The confession of No 2 was quite accurate coz it led the investigation to relevant ppl...18/11/2024
Niyakhekheleza vele
Hay Mntungwa sudlala ngabo....18/11/2024
Nandipa Magudumana is behind bars
What's special about Kelly
It's clearly she's the master mind in all this unless and until she's related to the Hitman
Waze wavalelisa kahle uBrig Gininda ku Adv. Mnisi wamnika indlela atanda ukupatwa ngayo. Lenaye azokupata ngayo.
Umntu xa ecinga uzokuhlekisa ngawe, mbeke endleleni umxelele ungubani wena and how you would like to be treated cause you always treat them with respect. Thank you mhlekazi Gininda
Wayibeka kakuhle mntase dankoooo 🙏
Ratha you dont scrutinize Your Baloyi for not giving defence, the statement they ask for😮
They have the statement they are just eating time this weak defence
@@gugundimandenare7969😂😂😂
I fully agree with the writer, this case has dragged on for a very long time. The JP must intervene here
No disrespect but accused 2 lawyer is not fit for this kind of defense
He can't even put cellphone record to Gininda, he just given him a power to over explanations
@wandisilekajolinkomomphank5333 there's no more hiding behind the thumb .He tried to contain Gininda by telling him that the tail doesn't wag the dog .The thing with Gininda he is uncontainable he's the defence's worst nightmare. He explains verbatim as he always put it .I am hopeful in SA justice system and this unashamed to say this case has taught me a lot .ALLEGEDLY
@ that guy is going to throw accused numbers 2 under the bus
The case of ntanzi was already canvased in the trial within trial.. there's no need to repeat issues... One aspect that ramosepele relied on was the identity parade... Gininda ddnt know how to answer that . The rest I leave to experts
the problem is accused 2 not his lawyer Sipho Ramosepele , first accused 2 give his second confession in presence of his than first lawyer and the court magistrate, accused 2 keeps on giving the court different versions for example he said on his other version when Senzo was killed he was at work than the state called accused 2 work HR boss at the mine as the stated witness who testify and provided records that accused 2 was off at work on that day. what can instructing attorney - Sipho Ramosepele do with the accused who changes his version to the court every time because very version accused 2 says its been put on the court record as evidence
This case now its like watching movhango everyday
This clever, hardworking judge missed the point and is overexagerating😂😂😂.
This court case is worse that state capture, waste of taxpayers money
I doubt if Accused No 3, 4 and 5 feel anything about this case even if they are found GUILTY it will mean nothing as they are all pulling or serving loooong sentences...Accused No 5 he is doing 06 life sentences, No 4 he is doing 25yrs (subject to correction) and No 3 doing 30yrs....so to be sentenced in this case (if they are convicted) will make a small if any difference..19/11/2024
No darling it will affect them big time...15 years means divide by 2...
Mpumie are you from Sweet Matat (Matatiele).....but I disagree with you...19/11/2024
Mxm if the accused made a confession willingly why are they denying today,where there is smoke there is fire 😊
Sifunani iScreen enkantolo if singezu ksebenza sekthathwa unnecessary 15 min.
Why do court proceedings, start so late?
SABC must ask about every friday.
This is the funniest case I have watched!Reminds me of judge Maumela who used to postpone for months!I think they must watch court proceedings from other countries!A joke in SA because of corruption!
He is interpreting it wrong as he always does
Ahh Gininda you have my RESPECT
That idiot should know that the judge has the powers in his court room, charges should be layed against that individual,
Charges for saying the truth?ake ume kancane wena
@@njabulojb2994yazi
@@njabulojb2994 tswaaa mo di tsênwêng mfe2
Whoever wrote that was telling the truth..that's in the public domain 😮
Judge forget the letter you are doing a great job with your team please don't get upset forgive the sender and carryon🙏
Brig BN Gininda is highly competent when it comes to investigation I respect him a lot.....You can butcher me and call me Domkop or anything....he is diligent and fair ..18/11/2024
@@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us so true 🙏
He is outstanding🙌
❤❤
He is the best and a shining star of SAPS
You are putting this later cause is one of your team. . Who submitted this later.. allegedly ... we are still waiting for our turn.. we won't rest until true justice is saved
You mean "served " I can tell you are defence 😂😂😂
Hence this case has taken long ,it’s like you all dragging your feet l agree with the gentleman?
It is the 1st Judge who took time like whole 9 years but Ratha just came in last year and you can see the progress.
I'm the one who wrote the letter nkosyam.....I apologise to the officers of the court 😂😂😂and the people of SA kodwa ke kade laqala lelicala futhi kwesinye iskhathi liyamoshwa ngempela ixesha ikakhulukezi yibo abameli ababambezela icala kodwa I apologise🙏🙏
Haaimani wena 😂😂😂 😅
🗣as a concerned lekwerekwere🇧🇼whoever wrote that letter climbed nothing but the truth,court is playing they must stop justifying themselves they are just wasting time,truth itches🚩what a mockery of justice🚮
I agree with the person who wrote the letter. Even you Jugdge, you once complaigned about time wasting in this court. I do not the person who wrote the letter was complaigning about sickness and exams. I think he/she is complaigning about starting early and finishing early. The addjournments are longer than as supposed to be.
Mntungwa I think there are valid reasons for adjournments.....18/11/2024
@@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us i agree with you. I'm not complaining about adjournments per ser but they say they adjourn for 15 minutes but come back aftet 45 minutes. Sometimes they even say live that are planning to leave early, it mostly happens on Fridays.
This judge always say negative this to oppose defense and the defense have the right to chalkenge anything which thy see it wrong then when thy challenge it instead the state to object then boom judge object. So who have to make a ruling on what he object, protecting witnesses it wont brong fair justice to this court.
Agree with a gentleman this court wasting lot of time
Ag man ratha is for state and gininda,, he is just answering from the bar in order to defend gininda..😮
Ya lomuntu obhale lencwadi uryt stop wasting time sfuna ukubona oLongwe noKelly beboshwa
I fully concur with the gentlemen. They are wasting time.. Lots of breaks and postponents. Ratha , I thought you will support the motion. Or maybe niyadla nonke ngezi postpones.
Mnisi has to stop playing possum and continue with the cross examination!!🙄
Hello Mr 15min must be 15m, lunchtime must ne lunchtime pls🙏🙏🙏
Adv G Baloyi should ask in terms of section ,3 (1) (c) of Act 45 of 1988 Law of Evidence Amendment Act...for the statement (s) of Gwabini and Simphiwe and possibly Makhosonke...18/11/2024
There is to much public interference in this case
Coz we are concerned citizens and we want to see progress and see arrest to those who were in the house
@konkehwanqa6260 the only people that were in the house who will get arrested is Kelly, Longwe and Zandile.Allegedly
I think Ramosepele and Nxumalo are not the best lawyers
They are the worst those 2
Mzilikazi I think the case is just too strong for their (more especially No2) there is nothing he (Ramosepele) can do....But uZwide (Adv Z Nxumalo) can try his best ...he has a leg to stand...18/11/2024
I strongly disagree with you, problem is that these 2 are not there for media like the other 3, they know how to do their work maintaining respect.
i agree only on the aspe6of ramosepele, his just being led by the witness, letting down his client
Being a lawyer doesn't stop with just obtaining the law degree(s)
To think Bheki Cele was busy Kwameyiwa eyoqamba amanga negenge yakhe worse ke nasemngcwabeni ka Babu Sam waze wakhuluma ayi umuntu uyingozi ngempela..Just a thought nje while watching even yesterday I was watching Netflix Doc ka Senzo hhayi kuningi okungahlangani ngale case.
This case is a circus 🎪. 5:22:15 - 5:22:22
Its actually worrying how the judge decides to interpret whats being communicated, makes one wonder how he processes information in this very case🤔💔
Indeed so Linda my brother u know ur story.
Yes, they are wasting time.
4:05:48 are we seriously gonna ignore the fact that baloyi said there is no such statement and a minute later he hand over that statement to mnisi🙄
I agree with who ever wrote the letter n the judge n baloi they trying to justify y they always waste time
Ppl who waste time here is the defence team
Mxm
I wonder why Makhosonke and Gwabini were not called as witnesses coz from the testimony of Brig BN Gininda it's not evident that both gentlemen are no longer alive or untraceable..... they would have, I believe, share a better light on the issues at hand ..I strongly believe that adv G Baloyi competent as he is he knows why ..so as Brig BN Gininda. 18/11/2024
Ntsnzis friend is also no more…😂
Is judge ratha THAT stupid, that he CANNOT see the baloyi LIED to ADV. Mnisi?
He was paid this one to sentence the accused
@@muzimabena2089no one is paid the received that evedince long time ago 😂.supreme court is to big for them😂
Exactly, guys Mnisi was correct. When Baloyi is caught in his games, he is hardly called to order. At the end of the day Gininda admitted that there is NO COMMUNICATION or CALLS between Kelly and accused 3 & 5. Gininda said there is a link in Steyn's spiderweb analysis but no communication/ calls. This is important because SAPS claimed there was a WhatsApp calls between Kelly and accused 5 and a BBM call between Kelly and the same accused. We know that WhatsApp calls started in March/ April 2015, there were no WhatsApp calls in 2014. Secondly, there can be no BBM call between a BlackBerry and a non-BlackBerry phone. Kelly had a BlackBerry phone but accused 5 did not.
So, Mnisi was correct because Gininda, finally, confirmed that there was no communication but a "link" or "linkages" whatever that means. The State might succeed in the High Court but this case will be appealed and won in the SCA. Ramosepele and Mnisi were correct in ensuring that this is the record because you cannot bring new evidence on appeal at the SCA. The record is now clear, there was no communication but money bags memes.
Ratha yes you have read the letter. Stop preaching and let the court to proceed. You starting to be Enigma now😅
😂😂😂stopid
We need Kelly to be testified
We want justice with this case Kelly must be arrested
15minute must 15munute not 25minute nina niyakhekheleza vele
Why Ratha is taking things personal, the guy is on point ...thy need to have a special arrangement regarding transportetion ect ... Balayi fakazile.....
Indeed Ratha I personalising, that's how narcissists behave
Ufane wazihlanyisa uMnisi, uMncube wambulala uSoccer star wethu, icacile, bayabhantinta ezinkabi for ukubulela but when it comes to uSenzo niyabaphikela asif kuthathwe abantu aba innocent mpxim
Yes, Demand respect Mr Gininda!!, no exceptions...
Ngabe Kade laphela ukuba nakhuluma nababesendlini Gininda yiokhu uqoqa izitatemende zabantu esakho asisizwa umdlalo Lo
Nooo Mr Ratha that is not what the person is saying you are exaggerating this issue
mxm Gininda thinks we are all kids, Ntazi was asked by several police abt his whereabout on the 26 of October 2014, n he replied that he was at work as they were insisting that he was involved
Yes he said he was at work but according to his work record, He was not at work. That is the bone of contention here. He was not at work.
@@levelgroundboerboels4183does he have Dreadlocks, gold teeth, tattoo
When did he asked that qtion? You can't tell me where wer you on the 26 October 2024.
If you were arrested today and sked where you were 6 years ago on 11 April 2018, would you know where you were?
No, you would not. That is why in the USA you always plead the fifth, the general populace in RSA do not know their right not to speak when apprehended.
I would know if they gave me details, since I know the death of Senzo was on a Sunday, n It happens by that time I was at work. It's either I am at work, home or groove. So ya it's easy, even myself I know dt on Saturday was at work since its half day n Sunday I was at home n heard the news early in the morning via watsap dt Senzo was shot dead at the spaza by Longwe
YES MY BOSS GININDA TELL THAT INCOMPETENT MNISI HE MUST LEARN TO RESPECT YOU I AGREE WITH YOU HIS BEHAVIOUR IS UNCALLED FOR
Megadza listening is a skill. Gininda said Steyn that there was COMMUNICATION between accused 3 and Kelly. Mnisi asked for the statement that says so . Baloyi admitted there is no such statement. Statement 01 talks about a LINK not COMMUNICATION.
When one is raising a point whether write or wrong there is no need for mockery tbey are all adults, its not about people on you tube at the end of the day, its about the family of the deceased and the accused. I should think the advocates should concentrate more on freeing the accused than about his popularity on you tube. Like adv. Ramasepele he made his points and showed loopholes without minimizing the other party, but there is a big 3 that is coming where cooking and educational levels will flow yet Senzo was not killed by a certificate
But the letter is stating facts, if Ratha fails to undstnd that simple letter clearly he won't undstnd this case
The truth hurts judge Ratha and Baloyi, they can’t even get the fact that they’re unnecessarily dragging this trial with their cooking and useless police witnesses.
Majority of the people Gininda mentioned are dead😭
What a coincidence!!!!!!!
Óne can ask y and how this people have die
Ramosepele won’t hire you as lawyer why did not go to bank ask statements for ntanzi
That bank statement doesn't exist
Original from bank not from ginindi ntanzi wanted to bank two weeks ago to print his own statements but they refused him to go Ramosepele as Laywer he’s got right to go there what useless lawyer
The Io is the who can get with the section 205 . The lawyers don't have such powers I guess. 😅
Ukhuluma umsuzo
Are you accusing the bank that they email court the fake bank statements? Cha nina seniyagula emakhanda. Nibona ukuthi i bank selingazibophisa ngemxa kaNtanzi? Banks always do this exercise whenever the court request bank statements. Yini nenze ngathi ivala likaSenzo lihlukile? Courts have dealtt with cases of Billionaires. What is so special about Nfanzi and Kelly? Mnxhm
Let's send more letters of the same message
AYEYE !!!!! GININDA ADMITTED """""""THERE WERE NO CALLS"""""" !!!!!!!!!!! EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY !!!!!!!!!!!
There is a link between kelly acc 3 and 5 according to cellphone data analysed by Mr Steenkamp, according to Brig hr never said there is communication. Hence Adv Mnisi did not respond
@@NtombikayiseDanisawhat is the link othetha ngayo cc xa ndingakhe ndibuze wena ke?
Lol Gininda never said anything like that maybe you must listen when Jonas interprets .Allegedly
@NtombikayiseDanisa people are not following the evidence presented in court. Instead, they are speculating and creating unnecessary drama
@@NtombikayiseDanisa Steyn.Steenkamp did the identikits
Mshololo u look beautiful
Ncube killed senzo
No he didn't ,they all innocent
The judge its in discussing with baloyi and the state witnesses
Mnisi is the one who wastes a lot of time, he likes to argue so that his point is relevant from the rest, ke Mr knows it all
Lol your folling other case I hope mnisi requested documents last week already, and the state did not give him and he start by requesting them again wich is not fair trial as he have to prepare crosexamination on those documets you only see problem now n you don't understand wer it's coming from,state think it's clever.
Some people just talk for the sake of o talking with understanding, how the documents were handed to Mnisi is unprofessional and the force him to cross-examine. Look at the judge when the state is caught with lies
@@tshehlashoba3532 and the judge doesn't ask baloyi on what he said lies are catching up with them
They had the statement already as exhibit01
Gininda took the statement himself and commission it and deponent is now a deceased..
Everything in the letter is true👌👌👌
Comes in two batches as compared to "Benches"** But English is not our Mother tongue...18/11/2024
This court e nale mogato,tlhakatlhakano e kana today! Iyoh!
Ratha is really a "mis-guided missile". Even if he might have issues with the letter , surely going into such this kind of public tirade (wasting the very time that many are complaining about) is something else. We have a whole judge descending into the public arena; can that be ever called for really?
We all work and have hours, the judge must be honest, we are wasting time, and money for the attorneys.
Get on with the job please
Fridays there is always a problem
you see exactly my point, Rama leaves matters hanging without challenging them, even ratha has picked that up, that make his defence weak.us as spectators we are left even more confused on hs cross examination.
According to me, advocate Baloyi is delaying this case by bringing unnecessary witnesses who were not even in the scene of crime just because he wants to convict the wrong people.
Lol 😂 The Judge Hearing Chico twala's name 🙊