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The UK actually encircled and captured more than 100000 italian troops in north Africa in early '41 in Operation Compass. So you didn't make a mistake, you were just being historically accurate
This is hilarious, you were really, ACTUALLY Operation Compass'd by the AI. So proud of the historicity of your run. Operation Compass was an embarrassing disaster for Italy that forced Germany to send the Afrika Korps to save them.
4:43 Forming Italian East Africa, the decision for which you can get by getting the Ministry of Italian Africa and the New Emperor of Ethiopia focuses, also completes the mission.
From what I remember, AS42 infantry division was supposed to be motorised as much as possible, so you could have made few motorised infantry divisions of that.
@@Aldrahill Remember to check for circles under the unit symbol boxes, as older Unit symbols symbolised motorization differently compared to todays NATO symbols.
Past 43 he should have used the RSI army as they were in the axis side, they had a lot of german equipment and decided to copy them by getting their shit together and using the german style of waffen ss divisions (they were smaller than the standard ones but still effective)
12:00 I dont know who made the aircraft presets for Italy because they're completely wrong and probably should have been swapped. Historically, the Early Light Airframe fighter, the MC200 used a domestic A.74 radial engine with 870 HP and only 2 machineguns while the Improved Light Airframe fighter, the MC202, used an improved version of the German DB601 inline engine with 1150 HP and had 4 machineguns. If anything, that early fighter design with Engine 2 and 4 machineguns should have been the **improved** fighter preset while Engine 1 should have stayed in the early airframe preset..
Some of Itay's stuff is good, like the G.55, Beretta M38, and the Carcano M38 in 7.35mm, its just that anything good was made in such low quantities due to lack of factories. However, they did have funny bicycle troops, and even the Italian paratroopers were given bicycles for movement after their drop.
I feel that the perfect nations to try the Navy for this historical preset series is either the UK or Japan. I'm really enjoying this series keep up with the good work.
Thank you so much! And yes, agreed! The next one is Japan, but it might not be out until next week as I’ve hurt my wrist, slowing me down :P so glad you’re enjoying it!
Would be cool if you had the paratroopers and cav divisions, they were some of the most elite divisions in the african front and eastern front respectively
@@Aldrahill i had a document of the entire italian divisions while searching about their small arms but i lost it, you can find another one in this article of wikipedia en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Cavalry_Division_%22Eugenio_di_Savoia%22 in the first link they give in references, you can also go to this list en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_divisions_in_World_War_II Most of them have the same references, i know that working with wikipedia is sometimes hard or just confusing, but this one is very detailed The italian army had bycicle battalions too and had some anti partisan units (occupation), they also divided their divisions in "african type" and "metropolitan" type, and even by role,like some of the yugoslavian infantry divisions who had most of their amored cars (instead of bycicles) in anti partisan roles after the end of the invasion (you could use amored car recon insted of the MP bc they had this role too, italians had a lot of armored cars) some italian fortress or costal divisions would be a very good stop gap in the allied invasions and north africa and give more numbers bc of their low cost Italy had some panthers and panzer ivs after early 43 and they made a tank called "P43" who never saw past the prototype stage, their prototypes would have been in use in the newrly reorganized "Ariete" Division, the P6 had begun production but they never finish more than 5 bc of the armistice, the ones they did manage to get done, got destroyed by their own builders bc of the german occupation, only 2 had survived the war You can also have a better modification to most planes in the italian arsenal, as they had a lot of "subtypes" of the same plane having a similar classification, like a MC200 having a "A" (had a radio) and "A/40" (had a radio, new avionics and bomb locks) after the name to say "hey, this can also use bombs" but i think you challenge does not take this into account (would be cool too), better luck next time and i hope you channel grows, you did very well in the soviet front
@@mikhailiagacesa3406 in 1936, italy had 3 cavalry divisions in 1940 when they mobilized their army and then entered the war, the third division was sent to ussr and was mostly destroyed by the end of 1942, the first and second were both disarmed by the german army, the Second was mostly used in Occupation but served pretty well, with very few losses and without the need to use ustasha or waffen ss "tactics", the first one was stationed in italy waiting for artilhery pieces when the germans invaded them
i find it funny that in the meme at 0:27 we can see that the "italian" tank is most probably M-60 Patton II which is a main battle tank from 70s and the poor jagdpanther wouldnt be able to do anything against it.
I think you should be able to use the other templates that they give you as they're still historical and it makes sense why they wouldn’t just add them again in the presets tab
To be honest? The best part about watching his channel is seeing more and more saves slowly adding onto the pile. The videos are great, seeing the saves is better.
I actually already did a communist USA run recently! Go check it out if you like :) not sure what path I’d do in the event of a WC though… the standard fascist one seems to make the most sense!
I am really enjoying this series! For Italy the equipment you get from the focuses is more historical then the templates since the templates are just what the AI is set to use based on the pre-designer DLC tech names. And unfortunately a lot of their tank designs IRL do not match up with what HoI4 expects to be a tank. I have no idea why the M11/39 was chosen over the M13/40. Italy also does not have any dedicated air templates so the generic ones are used. AS42 divisions were also supposed to be fully motorised divisions so I don't know why that guide said they were just infantry.
imo the M11 is fine, as it was as basic as it got for the italian medium tanks (and with a model year of /39, does fit with the 1938 m tank tech), the question is more why the 1940 m tank is the M16 over the M13 or M14?
As Italy, you really want to balkanize Ethiopia and release Libya as a puppet too. That way you can concentrate your forces in Europe, and you also wont get the stupid balance of power thing if they take a random colonial state.
Actually🤓 you can blitzkieg ethiopia in about 70 day and the normal peace conference will just appear and u can annex them and then form italian east africa Here how i do that: Speed 3 Put all air force in eritrea and somalia to cover entire of ethiopia and do cas mission only (you dont need fighter ethiopia dont have a plane anyway) Disband all mainland italy cav regiment to get some gun(you can disband more low exp div if you on a deficit of equipment) Put all army at the eritrea front(24 div)and somalia front(all div left)(tank at somalia and mountaineer at eritrea) (mainland div will arrive in about 20 day) Use aggressively battle plans(u should pick carlo vecchiarelli for eritrea front because his mountaineer trait)(you should do some micro to make sure ur div always on attack) When christmas offensive event pop up choose by any means nessesary 🤓👍
@@ukaszk.6590 yeah but as Italy you need every civ you can get, it’s honestly better to just keep Libya as it barely has any resistance and with like 4 forts it’s super easy to defend
10:38 is a result of Romania declining the Second Vienna Award, in which Axis powers and Hungarians pressured Romania to give up 43 000km² of land and 3 milion people. More than 50% of those 3 milions were Romanians btw. Both countries joined Axis, but their relationship was/(still is) lukewarm.
A helpful tip: creating Italian East Africa completes the pacify Ethiopia mission. I think it might be the only way to actually do it. You also don't have to worry about that front because IEA is a puppet, so you don't have to call them in to the war. They don't have any cores, so they can't really do much on their own anyway.
On the intro: the Italian navy was probably the most competent of all branches of the Royal armed forces. They mostly put up a pretty good fight in the Mediterranean, did quite a swell job transporting supply into Africa and even got to damage the Royal navy pretty evenly when it came to skirmishes (especially port strikes)
For Italy artillery and motorized formations are difficult to reproduce as division only held only light artillery and motorized support, medium and heavy artillery as well as motorized formation for troop transport were usually put under corp's or even army's command (mostly because there wasn't enough equipment to arm all divisions and it was thought that higher level command could better manage it)
Thank you so much! I’m definitely going to - sadly this one is doing considerably worse than my previous entries, but I’ll keep going regardless :) I have a lot of fun researching and preparing it all, so I’m happy
Enjoyed those sorts of videos so far and I'd like to see doing the same format for some minor countries aswell such as Romania(we get really screwed over so it would be funny if you managed to turn it around for us in the end),Hungary,Canada,Finland etc. at some point Great video and good job always
I believe the reason that Hungary declared on Romania is because Romania wasn’t yet fascist and so when Germany did the Second Vienna Award (which sends an ultimatum to Romania demanding they hand Northern Transylvania over to Hungary) Romania refused. Normally they’ve turned fascist by this point and will give up Northern Transylvania, joining the axis soon after. However, very rarely it is possible for them not to have flipped ideologies, leading to them possibly refusing to cede the territory, giving Hungary a war goal. I’ve had this happen once or twice and it’s rather annoying.
I was arguing with this guy under an “Italian patriotic music” video who was saying some bulshit about how “fascism is the only thing that can save Italy now” and I was just like man did you see what happened last time.
It's not like Italy was doing any better before Fascism, so I can understand such a thought. But last time it did not go well, so it still is a stupid idea
I find it really funny that over the course of last year/year and a half, there have been more and more of these meta "eeeshports alta" gamers realising GBP is actually good, and now I hear "OH GBP is not a meme doctrine anymore"... DUDE, this doctrine was more nerfed than it was buffed since release (maybe with the exception of NSB DLC where GBP got all the best officer corps bonuses out of all 4 doctrines). Ya'll just been sleeping on it
@@seamusslymon4691 Yeah, it used to give you +50% planning, then was nerfed to just +20% and then bumped up to +30% and given some very small bonuses here and there like the 'coordination' or the command power bonuses, and the best officer corps bonuses out of four (though that's mostly because the bonuses from other 3 doctrines just fing suck, not because the ones given to GBP are very strong), but everything else stayed the same since launch in 2016.(except for the nerf to org bonuses as a whole that happened very early into the game, but if everyone loses 15 org, nobody does), but only now do people wake up and realise that 'Holy shit this doctrine is actually very good'... I just looked up on wiki and found out that GBP got even more nerfed than I thought- the Night Attack bonus from the Right Path was nerfed from +50% to +25% but oh yeah, NOW it's no longer a meme doctrine.
@@Aldrahill Not really though? Like, Mobile Warfare has only got very minor, you might as well call them cosmetic, changes over the years- without counting the fact that all 4 doctrines had to be changed as the mechanics changed (like adding the brigade size limit, command power, coordination, armoured cars etc.) the core of that doctrine is The Same as it was in 2016- all the bonuses are where they used to be, and they're as big as they used to be, at least as long as you don't go into the tank-variants, which did get nerfed- the +60% breakthrough used to work on all tank variants, now it's only for tanks, other tank variants only get +20% but that's not really a big change in >99.5% cases. Mass Assault was only ever buffed, I think it was so weak it didn't even get the Org nerf that happened in or somewhere around the release of "Together for Victory". What was nerfed, and hard, was specifically Superior firepower, especially the soft attack bonuses, but even so, those nerfs came at the same time when GBP's planning bonus was nerfed, so to again paraphrase Syndrome, "if both "soft attack doctrines" get nerfed by roughly equal amounts, neither is". The SFP nerfs were much more necessary for the Mobile Warfare and Mass Assault to be viable options, than they were for GBP. The math has always been, since 2016 to 2023- if there are 2 otherwise equal armies, one with SFP, the other one with GBP, and they both have full *whatever their max planning is,* the GBP will have a bit more soft attack, much more hard attack, and A LOT MORE breakthrough/defence at the start, and at any given point during a fight, until the GBP units have less planning than what is given to them by the doctrine- ie. a 30% planning SFP will have less stats than a 60% GBP, same with 20% SFP vs 50% planning GBP, and 10% SFP vs 40% GBP and 0% planning SFP vs 30% GBP, it's only once you start to dip below that 30% planning overhead when SFP has any chance of getting better stats... at least in terms of soft attack, because hard attack is equal and GBP has flat +20% breakthrough on their entire army so on that part, GBP-army will always be better than SFP even without planning (awhich also gives more of it, effectively GBP gives +56% breakthrough on their entire army, with full planning)
The Celere division and the armored division were 2 completely different divisions, it would be better for you to create a new template, and finally there was also the motorized division
@@Aldrahill I'm not judging you, I liked the video, I'm just telling you what you could put or correct, you can also easily look at the various divisions on Wikipedia and what we had, even if there wasn't a scheme, it's something you could do also in the next video of this kind
24:24 "Alright, the Soviets are finally starting to fall back. Their poor supply y is just as bad as ours." - historically accurate Italian guy who likes Pizza 'nd Pasta
it's not historically accurate, though. The soviets were quick to relocate their industry into Ural mountains so the more Germans pushed the shorter Soviet supply lines became and easier it was to re-equip and give ammunition for their troops would be.
I really think you should be allowed to use the stuff you get from focus as well. The reason why there isn't a M13 preset is because the AI already gets one through the focus. Also most forces used Cavalry during ww2. Most of the German forces were based on cavalry because cars were expensive.
Yea I'm starting to think so to - I'm going to ask for people's opinions in the next video (which is Japan! delayed until next Friday) about what they prefer :)
That is how I tried HOI4. Italy, and played 2nd fiddle to Germany. Then Spain. It is fun because the pressure of playing US or Germany or USSR is real. If you goof up the eastern front will collapse pretty fast.
@@Aldrahill That's exactly what I did. I tried playing USA a few times and failed by 1941 usually because I had no clue how to use any of the games systems. But having big brother Germany look out for me while I take over Africa and blow up the Suez for them was much better for me to learn. If I could make the dash for Cairo early enough and not get rolled by France, I could do enough for them. Then bleed the allies on the southern front. While Germany often gave me units. While I played as Spain they often asked me for manpower when I was really low but it would usually be okay in the end. I still can barely ever do a proper Sealion to knock out the UK. Oh snap try a scenario I always lost, Install the Mobile Suit Gundam One Year War mod and win as The Principality of Zeon in the last 3 months of the war, when the TV show starts. It is supposed to be unbeatable. But there is a whole series of games that were never ported to English called Ghiren's Ambition where you get to try to change the outcome of the war. They started on the Sega Saturn and keep coming out on the PS4. Japan always ignores american fans lol. The mod is good. All the units are replaced with giant mechs.
Paradox clearly didnt do their homework for these designs, the C.202 folgore is one such example. While i cant find specs on the initial run of it, the C 202 was powered by the engine powering the early Bf109s and the aircraft was armed with 2 HMGs and 2 LMGs, certainly not a a great armament but better than in game. The folgore was actually considered one of the best fighters in the early war, easily going toe to toe with it's allied counterparts.
i do feel like if a focus gives you a design and there's no preset to use you should be allowed to use the one from the focus the focus design should still be "historical"
If you search specific infantry divisions for italy youll notice they have support medical stations and supply and logistics also i think you missed bicycle infantry. And cavalry would have 2 battalions led by a command unit so 3 lots of cavalry would have worked in your celere divisione
Apparently Mussolini wasn't expecting the war to happen so soon so everything within the italian military was hastily mobilized and they didn't have the industry yet to support a global war so that's why they weren't too effective
@@Aldrahilllmaoo yea. i saw you put a comment about doing historical divisions and presets for the us? you try some smaller country that would probably be more of a challenge like poland or the netherlands and try to hold with their divisions. i know poland actually did have a few divisions after they were annexed to germany and the ussr
Tbh I'm pretty sure the focus provided templates *are* literally just historical presets that appear straight in the equipment list rather than in the presets menu in order to circumvent code jank.
As I remember, the Hungary attacking Romania was because Romania didn't had that national spirit that gives them fascism support. The only nations that can give them this spirit is Italy and Germany, but Germany almost never does it, so it's all lies on Italy (you), which you probably forgot about
The challenge originally began solely to use the presets to test them out - it definitely makes for some weirdness but I like the additional intrigue it gives to every video :) apologies if you don’t enjoy it though!
@@Aldrahill I know. I've been following the series since the Germany video, however a lot of templates are missing from the preset tab because they are included in certain focuses.
What a great format, and you still have USA, Britain, France, Japan... Maybe also China, India, Siam, Greece, Poland, etc. there's a lot of countries that fought in the war and whose armies were not insignificant.
I google it mostly :P find a few books online but mostly it’s second hand research. Look through the comments here as I believe I shared a few links to some places I got my research. Can’t share it atm as I’m not at my computer
"Historical" AI seems totally broken since AAT. Italy loses Ethiopia like 25-33% of the time, I've seen Carlist Spain appear, Finland still caves to the Soviets, China still blows the Yellow River Dams on like day one of the war with Japan, the Soviets still can't push the Germans back once they bog down, etcetera. Hungary and Romania also do seem to fight semi-frequently. It's like they removed a bunch of AI scripts that made them behave more historically.
Yeah I agree, it’s definitely super weird - it’s not even that the player does anything ahistorical, I can play totally historically and weird shit still happens :P
@@Aldrahill My recent games have also seen Sweden joining the Allies about as often as Italy losing in Ethiopia. I think the only things that are hardcoded 100% at this point are Marco Polo Bridge, the Munich Conference, Albanian Occupation, and Danzig or War.
To be fair MP units in actual real life divisions are a lot more useful than in hoi4 They help a lot with maintaining the speed of movement in attacks and allow for a lot of other useful things
I somewhat agree, it's just that using the presets was the central thesis of the channel itself, you know? It also adds this sort of... bonus layer to it, if you know what I mean? It's an extra little thing, assessing the historical accuracy of the game as it exists now. I'm going to ask people's opinion in the next one though :)
@@Aldrahill Nah I get it, but if you're going through the effort (and pain) to only use the historical design in the division template, (which I love as a concept and I've since tried it in my own playthroughs) why not design the tanks and planes with the historical design as well. We all know the Paradox presets and designs are most of the time not accurate, so it kinda defeats the premise of using the historical division template, when the equipment in them isn't historical. That's just my thinking. Keep the videos coming man.
Thank you buddy, that's super kind of you! Pleae feel free to post anything you can find in the Discord! I'll likely be redoing this in BlackIce at some point :)
Why Hungary attacked Romania? In my opinion if one side gets more powerfull that it was intended, AI factions will try to balance joining the weaker side to somo extend. This is based on watching lots of AI timelapses, not on factual information.
Why hungary declared war on romania? Because romania owns transylvania,and a lot of hungarian live in transylvania. And in real life,hungary is very close to declare war on romania to retake transylvania. But the germans stop that,and hungary got the northen part of transylvania.
Couldn’t you use the assault battalion support company that is given to you in the Italian focus tree as a stand in for the fascist Militia because they’re pretty much the same thing?
God, these "historical presets" are so ahistorical it hurts. The Sahariano with a two-man turret and Bogie suspensions, eugh. Unarmoured heavy cruisers when the Zara class had a super thick belt... DISGUSTING! EDIT: The artillery battalion in game is the size of an actual historical regiment
Historically Italy had less than 1 million losses. You could have made it so if you had evacuated African troops. But instead, you pretended that ports are not the ports and you need to capture ports in Egypt, which are the REAL ports to you
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You should do france next
The UK actually encircled and captured more than 100000 italian troops in north Africa in early '41 in Operation Compass. So you didn't make a mistake, you were just being historically accurate
That makes me feel better xD
Yeah, that's what happens when a smaller force can run circles around a larger one thanks to motorisation. Basically? Italy got Cannae'd
This is hilarious, you were really, ACTUALLY Operation Compass'd by the AI. So proud of the historicity of your run. Operation Compass was an embarrassing disaster for Italy that forced Germany to send the Afrika Korps to save them.
I didn’t even mean to :( accidental history failure :(
@@Aldrahill average italy
"Save" is a strong word. The Brits were running out of steam after reaching El Agheila
4:43 Forming Italian East Africa, the decision for which you can get by getting the Ministry of Italian Africa and the New Emperor of Ethiopia focuses, also completes the mission.
You can't find earlier data for an Italian tank division since the first Italian tank division ever was formed in 1939.
That makes sense!
From what I remember, AS42 infantry division was supposed to be motorised as much as possible, so you could have made few motorised infantry divisions of that.
Damn! That would’ve been good :(
@@Aldrahill Remember to check for circles under the unit symbol boxes, as older Unit symbols symbolised motorization differently compared to todays NATO symbols.
Yeah, like in the Germany video.
Two wheels means motorized, one wheel and an oval (track) means mechanized
Past 43 he should have used the RSI army as they were in the axis side, they had a lot of german equipment and decided to copy them by getting their shit together and using the german style of waffen ss divisions (they were smaller than the standard ones but still effective)
12:00 I dont know who made the aircraft presets for Italy because they're completely wrong and probably should have been swapped. Historically, the Early Light Airframe fighter, the MC200 used a domestic A.74 radial engine with 870 HP and only 2 machineguns while the Improved Light Airframe fighter, the MC202, used an improved version of the German DB601 inline engine with 1150 HP and had 4 machineguns.
If anything, that early fighter design with Engine 2 and 4 machineguns should have been the **improved** fighter preset while Engine 1 should have stayed in the early airframe preset..
2 light and 2 heavy machine guns in the MC 202; so, I don't know who did the pre-sets.
Some of Itay's stuff is good, like the G.55, Beretta M38, and the Carcano M38 in 7.35mm, its just that anything good was made in such low quantities due to lack of factories. However, they did have funny bicycle troops, and even the Italian paratroopers were given bicycles for movement after their drop.
Oh man I never got to make bicycle troops! I’m so dumb!
I feel that the perfect nations to try the Navy for this historical preset series is either the UK or Japan. I'm really enjoying this series keep up with the good work.
Thank you so much! And yes, agreed! The next one is Japan, but it might not be out until next week as I’ve hurt my wrist, slowing me down :P so glad you’re enjoying it!
0:16 actually the Italian navy was the only competent and well combat rounded force of our military during WW2 😂
Dont forget your paratroopers, your crazy ass cav, funny undetwater men and the Berseglieri
At least you did better than the French
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@@kamlikesaviation1528 I'm not apologizing.
@@SinfullyHera im not asking you to apologize but i want you to name a major battle that italy won after their unification
Would be cool if you had the paratroopers and cav divisions, they were some of the most elite divisions in the african front and eastern front respectively
Oooo that would’ve been cool! I really struggled to find actual cavalry divisions, so I just stuck with tanks
@@Aldrahill i had a document of the entire italian divisions while searching about their small arms but i lost it, you can find another one in this article of wikipedia en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Cavalry_Division_%22Eugenio_di_Savoia%22 in the first link they give in references, you can also go to this list en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_divisions_in_World_War_II
Most of them have the same references, i know that working with wikipedia is sometimes hard or just confusing, but this one is very detailed
The italian army had bycicle battalions too and had some anti partisan units (occupation), they also divided their divisions in "african type" and "metropolitan" type, and even by role,like some of the yugoslavian infantry divisions who had most of their amored cars (instead of bycicles) in anti partisan roles after the end of the invasion (you could use amored car recon insted of the MP bc they had this role too, italians had a lot of armored cars) some italian fortress or costal divisions would be a very good stop gap in the allied invasions and north africa and give more numbers bc of their low cost
Italy had some panthers and panzer ivs after early 43 and they made a tank called "P43" who never saw past the prototype stage, their prototypes would have been in use in the newrly reorganized "Ariete" Division, the P6 had begun production but they never finish more than 5 bc of the armistice, the ones they did manage to get done, got destroyed by their own builders bc of the german occupation, only 2 had survived the war
You can also have a better modification to most planes in the italian arsenal, as they had a lot of "subtypes" of the same plane having a similar classification, like a MC200 having a "A" (had a radio) and "A/40" (had a radio, new avionics and bomb locks) after the name to say "hey, this can also use bombs" but i think you challenge does not take this into account (would be cool too), better luck next time and i hope you channel grows, you did very well in the soviet front
They had 5 Cav Regiments at the start.
@@mikhailiagacesa3406 in 1936, italy had 3 cavalry divisions in 1940 when they mobilized their army and then entered the war, the third division was sent to ussr and was mostly destroyed by the end of 1942, the first and second were both disarmed by the german army, the Second was mostly used in Occupation but served pretty well, with very few losses and without the need to use ustasha or waffen ss "tactics", the first one was stationed in italy waiting for artilhery pieces when the germans invaded them
i find it funny that in the meme at 0:27 we can see that the "italian" tank is most probably M-60 Patton II which is a main battle tank from 70s and the poor jagdpanther wouldnt be able to do anything against it.
Agreed. However It's offically not a Patton, and was in service in the 60's.
I think you should be able to use the other templates that they give you as they're still historical and it makes sense why they wouldn’t just add them again in the presets tab
Appreciate your input! I’m going do an ask on the next one and poll people’s responses :)
To be honest? The best part about watching his channel is seeing more and more saves slowly adding onto the pile. The videos are great, seeing the saves is better.
Not to mention all of the test games… oh the pain :(
You should do the US next.
I’m tempted to do a world conquest when I do the USA as a celebration of 20k… whatcha think?
@@Aldrahill Only Historical Presets?
@@Aldrahill Communist US is the second easiest world conquest in the game behind fascist britain. Would be awesome to see!
@@AldrahillCongrats on 20K, you're doing great imo! Liking these series very much. (not seeing you suffer with templates or something at all)
I actually already did a communist USA run recently! Go check it out if you like :) not sure what path I’d do in the event of a WC though… the standard fascist one seems to make the most sense!
I am really enjoying this series! For Italy the equipment you get from the focuses is more historical then the templates since the templates are just what the AI is set to use based on the pre-designer DLC tech names. And unfortunately a lot of their tank designs IRL do not match up with what HoI4 expects to be a tank. I have no idea why the M11/39 was chosen over the M13/40. Italy also does not have any dedicated air templates so the generic ones are used. AS42 divisions were also supposed to be fully motorised divisions so I don't know why that guide said they were just infantry.
Yeah the focuses are better, but I was just working from the challenge I set myself :P
not only tanks but also planes. C-200 never had 4 light MGs, it had 2 12.7mm. C-202 had 2 12.7mm and either 2 7.62mm or 2 20mm.
@@ussindianapolis487 yeah. The plane designs are generic. They just have custom names.
imo the M11 is fine, as it was as basic as it got for the italian medium tanks (and with a model year of /39, does fit with the 1938 m tank tech), the question is more why the 1940 m tank is the M16 over the M13 or M14?
I was wondering if the other nations had historical focus tech,
Most of it turned out to be naval (H-class, Vanguard, Richelieu, Joffre, Yamato)
I can't believe how much I enjoy this series! Thanks for it!
Thank you! And I can’t believe the amazing response people have had to this series, I’m so glad so many people are enjoying it :)
As Italy, you really want to balkanize Ethiopia and release Libya as a puppet too. That way you can concentrate your forces in Europe, and you also wont get the stupid balance of power thing if they take a random colonial state.
Actually🤓 you can blitzkieg ethiopia in about 70 day and the normal peace conference will just appear and u can annex them and then form italian east africa
Here how i do that:
Speed 3
Put all air force in eritrea and somalia to cover entire of ethiopia and do cas mission only (you dont need fighter ethiopia dont have a plane anyway)
Disband all mainland italy cav regiment to get some gun(you can disband more low exp div if you on a deficit of equipment)
Put all army at the eritrea front(24 div)and somalia front(all div left)(tank at somalia and mountaineer at eritrea) (mainland div will arrive in about 20 day)
Use aggressively battle plans(u should pick carlo vecchiarelli for eritrea front because his mountaineer trait)(you should do some micro to make sure ur div always on attack)
When christmas offensive event pop up choose by any means nessesary
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But the Libyan puppet makes restoring the Roman Empire super annoying with the autonomy system
Not that annoying imho, just build infrastructure, ports
@@ukaszk.6590 yeah but as Italy you need every civ you can get, it’s honestly better to just keep Libya as it barely has any resistance and with like 4 forts it’s super easy to defend
@@YumSuc there is almost nothing there, i dont think its necessary, protecting it is more expensive tbh
you are able to build in an ally’s territories. no need to transfer occupation
10:38 is a result of Romania declining the Second Vienna Award, in which Axis powers and Hungarians pressured Romania to give up 43 000km² of land and 3 milion people. More than 50% of those 3 milions were Romanians btw.
Both countries joined Axis, but their relationship was/(still is) lukewarm.
Wonder why they rejected it, considering it was historical focused!
@@Aldrahillwait, what? Paradox, please explain it😂.
@@Aldrahill Happed to me multiple times as well. I had to manually put Hungary to historical-facist in the game rules to avoid this..
Super annoying!
Much pain :(
The tanks you get from focuses are definitely presets, as they were pre-set by the game developer.
That’s a perfect get-out, I love it :D
@@Aldrahill It's likely why Paradox hasn't bothered to add the tanks given from focuses into the preset tab as duplicates.
A helpful tip: creating Italian East Africa completes the pacify Ethiopia mission. I think it might be the only way to actually do it. You also don't have to worry about that front because IEA is a puppet, so you don't have to call them in to the war. They don't have any cores, so they can't really do much on their own anyway.
Yes this would’ve been a good idea! However, didn’t feel in keeping with the historical fee of everything you know?
If I remember correctly collab governments only reduce surrender limit if either you own a majority of the occupied land or if you are war leader.
You should play as the side character for Japan as Manchuria while gaining your independence
Imagine trying to find divisions organisation for them though!
@@Aldrahill Good luck learning Chinese or Japanese
You could use data on the Kwantung Army for Manchuria
On the intro: the Italian navy was probably the most competent of all branches of the Royal armed forces. They mostly put up a pretty good fight in the Mediterranean, did quite a swell job transporting supply into Africa and even got to damage the Royal navy pretty evenly when it came to skirmishes (especially port strikes)
For Italy artillery and motorized formations are difficult to reproduce as division only held only light artillery and motorized support, medium and heavy artillery as well as motorized formation for troop transport were usually put under corp's or even army's command (mostly because there wasn't enough equipment to arm all divisions and it was thought that higher level command could better manage it)
21:34 Where's the other Homer with Adolf Hitler Burns pulling his strings?
I love your Historical Presets and Division only! Continue like that :D
Thank you so much! I’m definitely going to - sadly this one is doing considerably worse than my previous entries, but I’ll keep going regardless :) I have a lot of fun researching and preparing it all, so I’m happy
Yes my favorite series about HOI4 right now
Oh damn thank you buddy! Next one comes out next Friday :)
Enjoyed those sorts of videos so far and I'd like to see doing the same format for some minor countries aswell such as Romania(we get really screwed over so it would be funny if you managed to turn it around for us in the end),Hungary,Canada,Finland etc. at some point
Great video and good job always
Thank you so much! appreciate the suggestion, those countries would be awesome! All depends if I could find data though :P
@@Aldrahill then may you have the best of luck in finding literally *anything* that may or may not help
I believe the reason that Hungary declared on Romania is because Romania wasn’t yet fascist and so when Germany did the Second Vienna Award (which sends an ultimatum to Romania demanding they hand Northern Transylvania over to Hungary) Romania refused. Normally they’ve turned fascist by this point and will give up Northern Transylvania, joining the axis soon after. However, very rarely it is possible for them not to have flipped ideologies, leading to them possibly refusing to cede the territory, giving Hungary a war goal. I’ve had this happen once or twice and it’s rather annoying.
Super weird, right! Thanks for your input, it was very confusing when it happened :P
I was arguing with this guy under an “Italian patriotic music” video who was saying some bulshit about how “fascism is the only thing that can save Italy now” and I was just like man did you see what happened last time.
Exactly xD it was just a MESS
It's not like Italy was doing any better before Fascism, so I can understand such a thought.
But last time it did not go well, so it still is a stupid idea
I find it really funny that over the course of last year/year and a half, there have been more and more of these meta "eeeshports alta" gamers realising GBP is actually good, and now I hear "OH GBP is not a meme doctrine anymore"... DUDE, this doctrine was more nerfed than it was buffed since release (maybe with the exception of NSB DLC where GBP got all the best officer corps bonuses out of all 4 doctrines). Ya'll just been sleeping on it
Preach I’ve been loving GBP since like 2018
@@seamusslymon4691 Yeah, it used to give you +50% planning, then was nerfed to just +20% and then bumped up to +30% and given some very small bonuses here and there like the 'coordination' or the command power bonuses, and the best officer corps bonuses out of four (though that's mostly because the bonuses from other 3 doctrines just fing suck, not because the ones given to GBP are very strong), but everything else stayed the same since launch in 2016.(except for the nerf to org bonuses as a whole that happened very early into the game, but if everyone loses 15 org, nobody does), but only now do people wake up and realise that 'Holy shit this doctrine is actually very good'... I just looked up on wiki and found out that GBP got even more nerfed than I thought- the Night Attack bonus from the Right Path was nerfed from +50% to +25% but oh yeah, NOW it's no longer a meme doctrine.
Agree completely! It's always been strong, but other doctrines were just a touch stronger before they were nerfed over the years.
@@Aldrahill Not really though? Like, Mobile Warfare has only got very minor, you might as well call them cosmetic, changes over the years- without counting the fact that all 4 doctrines had to be changed as the mechanics changed (like adding the brigade size limit, command power, coordination, armoured cars etc.) the core of that doctrine is The Same as it was in 2016- all the bonuses are where they used to be, and they're as big as they used to be, at least as long as you don't go into the tank-variants, which did get nerfed- the +60% breakthrough used to work on all tank variants, now it's only for tanks, other tank variants only get +20% but that's not really a big change in >99.5% cases. Mass Assault was only ever buffed, I think it was so weak it didn't even get the Org nerf that happened in or somewhere around the release of "Together for Victory". What was nerfed, and hard, was specifically Superior firepower, especially the soft attack bonuses, but even so, those nerfs came at the same time when GBP's planning bonus was nerfed, so to again paraphrase Syndrome, "if both "soft attack doctrines" get nerfed by roughly equal amounts, neither is".
The SFP nerfs were much more necessary for the Mobile Warfare and Mass Assault to be viable options, than they were for GBP. The math has always been, since 2016 to 2023- if there are 2 otherwise equal armies, one with SFP, the other one with GBP, and they both have full *whatever their max planning is,* the GBP will have a bit more soft attack, much more hard attack, and A LOT MORE breakthrough/defence at the start, and at any given point during a fight, until the GBP units have less planning than what is given to them by the doctrine- ie. a 30% planning SFP will have less stats than a 60% GBP, same with 20% SFP vs 50% planning GBP, and 10% SFP vs 40% GBP and 0% planning SFP vs 30% GBP, it's only once you start to dip below that 30% planning overhead when SFP has any chance of getting better stats... at least in terms of soft attack, because hard attack is equal and GBP has flat +20% breakthrough on their entire army so on that part, GBP-army will always be better than SFP even without planning (awhich also gives more of it, effectively GBP gives +56% breakthrough on their entire army, with full planning)
The Celere division and the armored division were 2 completely different divisions, it would be better for you to create a new template, and finally there was also the motorized division
Some fuzzing sadly occurs during endless hours of research xD
@@Aldrahill I'm not judging you, I liked the video, I'm just telling you what you could put or correct, you can also easily look at the various divisions on Wikipedia and what we had, even if there wasn't a scheme, it's something you could do also in the next video of this kind
Fiat-Ansaldo was the only Italian tank designer company in ww2
Fair enough!
24:24 "Alright, the Soviets are finally starting to fall back. Their poor supply y is just as bad as ours." - historically accurate Italian guy who likes Pizza 'nd Pasta
it's not historically accurate, though. The soviets were quick to relocate their industry into Ural mountains so the more Germans pushed the shorter Soviet supply lines became and easier it was to re-equip and give ammunition for their troops would be.
I really think you should be allowed to use the stuff you get from focus as well. The reason why there isn't a M13 preset is because the AI already gets one through the focus.
Also most forces used Cavalry during ww2. Most of the German forces were based on cavalry because cars were expensive.
Yea I'm starting to think so to - I'm going to ask for people's opinions in the next video (which is Japan! delayed until next Friday) about what they prefer :)
That is how I tried HOI4. Italy, and played 2nd fiddle to Germany. Then Spain. It is fun because the pressure of playing US or Germany or USSR is real. If you goof up the eastern front will collapse pretty fast.
Yeah it can be a bit more relaxing a way to play, allowing big boy Germany to take the reins :D
@@Aldrahill That's exactly what I did. I tried playing USA a few times and failed by 1941 usually because I had no clue how to use any of the games systems.
But having big brother Germany look out for me while I take over Africa and blow up the Suez for them was much better for me to learn. If I could make the dash for Cairo early enough and not get rolled by France, I could do enough for them. Then bleed the allies on the southern front. While Germany often gave me units.
While I played as Spain they often asked me for manpower when I was really low but it would usually be okay in the end. I still can barely ever do a proper Sealion to knock out the UK.
Oh snap try a scenario I always lost, Install the Mobile Suit Gundam One Year War mod and win as The Principality of Zeon in the last 3 months of the war, when the TV show starts. It is supposed to be unbeatable. But there is a whole series of games that were never ported to English called Ghiren's Ambition where you get to try to change the outcome of the war. They started on the Sega Saturn and keep coming out on the PS4. Japan always ignores american fans lol.
The mod is good. All the units are replaced with giant mechs.
Just use the tanks given by focuses, if it was used historically then use it. Makes sense to anyway
True, but the challenge started trying to explore the IDEA of the presets, so I'm happy to keep thme in, even if it is a bit weird
Paradox clearly didnt do their homework for these designs, the C.202 folgore is one such example.
While i cant find specs on the initial run of it, the C 202 was powered by the engine powering the early Bf109s and the aircraft was armed with 2 HMGs and 2 LMGs, certainly not a a great armament but better than in game.
The folgore was actually considered one of the best fighters in the early war, easily going toe to toe with it's allied counterparts.
i do feel like if a focus gives you a design and there's no preset to use you should be allowed to use the one from the focus
the focus design should still be "historical"
A good point! I’m going to ask everyone what they think in the next video and make a decision from there re: focus granted presets or not :)
If you search specific infantry divisions for italy youll notice they have support medical stations and supply and logistics also i think you missed bicycle infantry. And cavalry would have 2 battalions led by a command unit so 3 lots of cavalry would have worked in your celere divisione
If you think about it, if its this hard to play historical italy, then its amazng that historical italy made it that far in the war
Honestly yes. Just like how it’s amazing Germany defeated France tbh
Apparently Mussolini wasn't expecting the war to happen so soon so everything within the italian military was hastily mobilized and they didn't have the industry yet to support a global war so that's why they weren't too effective
hey congrats on 20k subs!!
Yeahhhh thank you so much! Now I gotta do a world conquest soon xD
@@Aldrahilllmaoo yea. i saw you put a comment about doing historical divisions and presets for the us? you try some smaller country that would probably be more of a challenge like poland or the netherlands and try to hold with their divisions. i know poland actually did have a few divisions after they were annexed to germany and the ussr
Where are you finding this stuff? omg i spend a whole day looking for Italian Division stuff and only found one Infantry Division for 1943.
Most came from this site: www.niehorster.org but a lot was just ENDless research xD I hope it helped! :)
@@Aldrahillwhy ain't you motorizing your army like it takes 3 factory on truck to motorize entire army whole game
Because Italy didn’t motorize their army due to lack of fuel and rubber :)
@@Aldrahill ok thanks
Great series! ❤
The thumbnail should be put in an art museum
Damn thanks! I think! Trying to keep a consistent style with these thumbs, I hope it works!
Tbh I'm pretty sure the focus provided templates *are* literally just historical presets that appear straight in the equipment list rather than in the presets menu in order to circumvent code jank.
As I remember, the Hungary attacking Romania was because Romania didn't had that national spirit that gives them fascism support. The only nations that can give them this spirit is Italy and Germany, but Germany almost never does it, so it's all lies on Italy (you), which you probably forgot about
Lol the M16 wasn't the main Italian Tank Good job Paradox, Also Do uk next vid I think It's gonna be fun.
Right?!This killed me
Currently deciding betwee Japan & Uk right now for the next one, so let's see! :D
I feel like you should allow yourself to use templates from the focuses, since they are historical
I think you should have used the preset templates you get from focuses. It just seems more enjoyable for both you and us.
The challenge originally began solely to use the presets to test them out - it definitely makes for some weirdness but I like the additional intrigue it gives to every video :) apologies if you don’t enjoy it though!
@@Aldrahill I know. I've been following the series since the Germany video, however a lot of templates are missing from the preset tab because they are included in certain focuses.
True, but it’s tricky to find a good middle ground xD
Would love to see you do the UK or India
Coming very soon! Next up is Japan :)
Oh boy here we go (Italian tanks)
Aldrahill: *shits on the L3/35*
Literally every war thunder player ever: 😡
What a great format, and you still have USA, Britain, France, Japan... Maybe also China, India, Siam, Greece, Poland, etc. there's a lot of countries that fought in the war and whose armies were not insignificant.
Thank you! I'm hoping people continue to enjoy it, as there's LOADS of countries I'm looking forward to trying this with :)
Very cool
What do you do and look up to research the division organizations for the countries you play? I'd love to do this challenge myself.
I google it mostly :P find a few books online but mostly it’s second hand research. Look through the comments here as I believe I shared a few links to some places I got my research. Can’t share it atm as I’m not at my computer
Historical presets of hun/romania/japan is very suffering
So maybe Mongolia
LIKE FROM WArThUNdEr 1:55
If only this one was sponsored by Warthunder xD
You should do this in Black ice
japan and france, those may be a strugle
You should do Poland if you haven't already.
Not yet! A good idea though :)
You should start using Field Marshall Frontlines tbh
I usually do! I just had fewer troops in this one, so made more targeted frontlines :)
Video starts at 3:50! =D
But you’d miss the vital intro :(
I don't think you actually need north Africa to from greater Italy. The requirements don't say that you do, I think that the image is just deceptive.
"Historical" AI seems totally broken since AAT. Italy loses Ethiopia like 25-33% of the time, I've seen Carlist Spain appear, Finland still caves to the Soviets, China still blows the Yellow River Dams on like day one of the war with Japan, the Soviets still can't push the Germans back once they bog down, etcetera.
Hungary and Romania also do seem to fight semi-frequently. It's like they removed a bunch of AI scripts that made them behave more historically.
Yeah I agree, it’s definitely super weird - it’s not even that the player does anything ahistorical, I can play totally historically and weird shit still happens :P
@@Aldrahill My recent games have also seen Sweden joining the Allies about as often as Italy losing in Ethiopia.
I think the only things that are hardcoded 100% at this point are Marco Polo Bridge, the Munich Conference, Albanian Occupation, and Danzig or War.
So sad there is so little information on the italian ww2 army out there. Even in italian it's hard to find any information.
I know right?! It was honestly hard to get good data
I am guessing, the MPs in the motorised division are for traffic management.
Makes sense! But there were so many of them it seemed :P
To be fair MP units in actual real life divisions are a lot more useful than in hoi4
They help a lot with maintaining the speed of movement in attacks and allow for a lot of other useful things
You should do France next
That will be such a Pain that even he wont do that...
I CAN and I WILL.
Probably not next, but it's coming!
You should do France or the Netherlands and try to hold :)
Next video, historical France !
Here when 2.9k within 7h when 20k subs
Thanks buddy
I get the premise, but I think you should design the tanks and planes as they were IRL, not the Paradox presets.
I somewhat agree, it's just that using the presets was the central thesis of the channel itself, you know? It also adds this sort of... bonus layer to it, if you know what I mean? It's an extra little thing, assessing the historical accuracy of the game as it exists now.
I'm going to ask people's opinion in the next one though :)
@@Aldrahill Nah I get it, but if you're going through the effort (and pain) to only use the historical design in the division template, (which I love as a concept and I've since tried it in my own playthroughs) why not design the tanks and planes with the historical design as well. We all know the Paradox presets and designs are most of the time not accurate, so it kinda defeats the premise of using the historical division template, when the equipment in them isn't historical. That's just my thinking. Keep the videos coming man.
could you possible do this with finland too?
Hard to find data but it could certainly be fun!
@@Aldrahill im from Finland i i know kinda much from Finnish army. If you want i can give some links for you
Definitely, do it!
Definitely, do it!
youtube dont like me :D i cant link it for you ;D do you have discord?@@Aldrahill
Devs don't add templates you get from focuses as Presets as you would already have the template.
Weirdly they did though! Pz3 and 4 are presets, even though they come from focuses :)
Instead of only presets you should just stick to as historical as possible unless you haven’t unlocked it yet
i think hungary declared war on romania because they didn't accept the second vienna award.
Super weird!
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Italia
I can help you find much more Source about the Italian divisions if you ever want to repeat the video one day
Thank you buddy, that's super kind of you! Pleae feel free to post anything you can find in the Discord! I'll likely be redoing this in BlackIce at some point :)
Now go and beat the Allies.
Why Hungary attacked Romania?
In my opinion if one side gets more powerfull that it was intended, AI factions will try to balance joining the weaker side to somo extend.
This is based on watching lots of AI timelapses, not on factual information.
Please please please i want you to do heavy tank only challenge
Ooo as which country? :)
Did you never use your Navy???
Surprisingly not that much!
Why hungary declared war on romania?
Because romania owns transylvania,and a lot of hungarian live in transylvania.
And in real life,hungary is very close to declare war on romania to retake transylvania.
But the germans stop that,and hungary got the northen part of transylvania.
I wonder how France will be?
I'm excited to find out how terrible it will be xD
do u use a mod or something else
nevermind I am a retard
The British or French next please
They're definitely coming soon!
UK, USA and France xaxaxaxaxa
L36???
Couldn’t you use the assault battalion support company that is given to you in the Italian focus tree as a stand in for the fascist Militia because they’re pretty much the same thing?
No, because the fascist militia are actually pretty numerous! They made up to like 3000 men of the division at some points!
@@Aldrahill fair enough
Shoulda done Italian East Africa, noob
FORGIVE ME :(
luxemburg.....
Oh no. This is going to be a disaster. Where did you get the diagrams?
Most came from this site: www.niehorster.org but a lot was just ENDless research xD
Try this with France lol
Oh it’s coming ;)
God, these "historical presets" are so ahistorical it hurts. The Sahariano with a two-man turret and Bogie suspensions, eugh. Unarmoured heavy cruisers when the Zara class had a super thick belt... DISGUSTING!
EDIT: The artillery battalion in game is the size of an actual historical regiment
Yeah it’s pretty messed up at times xD
I would love to see china
Definitely! coming soon! :)
Historically Italy had less than 1 million losses. You could have made it so if you had evacuated African troops. But instead, you pretended that ports are not the ports and you need to capture ports in Egypt, which are the REAL ports to you
I’ll be honest, I panicked xD my divisions just weren’t good, so they crushed me there
Why would the fascist militia bit be represented by an infantry battalion? Wouldn't it be closer to the blackshirt assault battalion support company?
Because it was actually quite a lot of infantry! Way more than a support company’s worth.
@@Aldrahill Huh, ok then in that case it makes sense. Thanks for the info.