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Agreed. As long as you aren’t customizing any designs, they still count as a “preset” to me. Still within the spirit of the challenge, and having a little variety in the designs (without being able to make anything imaginable) seems historical still.
I think allowing the focus given designs is still inline with the "preset only" design philosophy of this series. After all they are still indeed presets given via focus instead of the designer
Couple things I noticed here 1. 6:01 Your planes are not on a mission because the carriers are on an active mission. To use the carrier planes you need to have carriers on a hold order out of port. 2. 20:20 You couldn't unassign the divisions because the general had offensive order active. If you had clicked the red box to stop you could have switched them to another army 3. 23:28 You need to create a new fleet consisting of only ships with around 3000km range. If I remember correctly Japans starting carriers and battleships should have enough range to reach California however you cant have light ships for them as they bring down the range down
You must build naval bases. Not dockyards. It clearly says naval bases extend range, so make like a level 10 in hawaii and youll cover the entire pacific
@aliber7991 The level of naval bases does not increase the range of your ship. This means that you can have a level 1 naval base and still have the same range as if it was level 10 base. The range is determined by the ships hull, national spirits, technology and modifications such as the fuel tanks for cruiser submarines. Naval base levels only increase the supply throughput and repair slots. Range of fleets is the average of ranges of ships in a fleet. The base statistic of each hull range from 1500km with dd1 hull up to 6000km with 1944 submarine hull.
I think you should take it a step further and allow yourself to design the presents, but keep them as historical as possible. For instance, the Panther tank would have interweaved roadwheels, sloped armor, a long gun and 3 man turret, gasoline engine. A Bf 109E fighter would have 1 set of light machine guns, 1 cannon 1 (I think?), and some pilot armor. You can go crazy with ships and try making an actual Bismark/Yamato/whatever you need! I think this will allow for even more historical immersion.
Bf109E would have had 2 cannons, the installation of a cannon in the middle of the propeller would not happen before the F model basically the armament of the 109s per model: A,B : 2-3 lmg C,D,E1: 4 lmg C3,E3-T: 2 lmg + 2 light cannon (MG/FF), later modified to carry a centreline bomb rack or a drop tank, as would all subsequent models E2,F: 2 lmg + 1 light cannon (E2 had a MG/FF, F used MG 151, so cannon 1 and 2 respectively?) F4-G4: 2 lmg + 3 light cannons (1 nose and 2 underwing) G5: 2 hmg + 1 light cannon G6-K: 2 hmg + 1 heavy cannon, then could fit 2 light of heavy cannons underwing or rocket rails, and a centerline bombrack or a drop tank Z1: 4 heavy cannnons Z1: 2 heavy cannons + 2 centreline (1 per fuselage) bomb racks to be accurate, the variants should all be based on the 1936 airframe, getting progressively more (and better) guns, as well as more powerful engines, but the only 2 weapons slots do limit the number or armament types one can mount on a single plane so maybe the F model onwards could count as 1940 airframe, but that then overlaps with the FW 190 (first flight 1939) which has... interesting weapons layout
one issue with going that route is the sheer xp cost, assuming we go by year appropriate designs, so having to adjust how many ever designs per year + the division templates another is that while the air designer is fairly straightforward with the weapons and features one might add to a given airframe to replicate a set design, the others not so much the tanks have some fuzzy places (what armour value to mimic their resistance? how fast should the tank be? do hull mgs count as extra mg?) and naval is definitely weird with the slots and what goes with them (some ships have a load of possible configurations, more than a few impossible in game, how do you replicate late US ships with bonkers numbers of AA tubes?)
@@theredpandagamingswe7545 panther was actually not *that* unreliable, past the D model and their habit of catching fire when unattended in fact on average panther had better reliability and the later panzer IV their unreliability is a bit overstated as germany was constantly retreating, so tanks that suffered "normal" failures for which they could have been put back to service without issues had to be abandonned on the spot same got for the tiger II, which, in it's normal gun tank version was more reliable than the preceding tiger I
I believe that you don't have the range because several of your ships have too little range to reach the US or respectively the Mexican coastline. In order to fix that you would have to create a fleet with only the highest range ships. E.g. Battleships with the best engine. The port in Honolulu is already at lvl 10 if I remember correctly so there is no use in building ports. Also using the designs that a focus give you is completely fine.
9:00: Count the regimental pieces as a support arty fits IMO. The regimental guns were all 75mm mountain guns and similar small pieces. And the 70mm battalion guns were tiny little baby-howitzers that were more like a medium mortar that could be used in direct fire. Also, um, know the difference: Ya-ma-to: The biggest battleships ever built. Ya-ma-mo-to: The guy who planned Pearl Harbor. Also, probably should have looked under outdated equipment for ship plans. ;)
The challenge is way more interesting as "can i simulate historical military org and designs where they are available in hoi4 and will they work" not "can i play a game of hoi4 by arbitrarily limiting what designs i use based on where they appear in the UI" so i say use all provided historical desgins wherever you find them; focuses, templates, defaults, presets
Loving the series! Excited to see the Allies version! I think you should definitely allow yourself to use the presets AND the templates granted by focuses etc or by default on game start. If you want to maintain some restriction, limit yourself to whichever of the templates is more historically accurate if there's a discrepancy.
I sure can't wait for you to do historical preset US. Given how much we liked our marines in the war, designing USMC divisions are going to be a doozy for you.
I think logically you'd be able to design the more updates hulls by taking in the design philosophy of the old presets. For example. They'd just be the 36 hull template but fitted to the 40 hull. With upgraded modules.
Naval fleet range is decided by average range - split off your highest range ships (only on strike force, don't send them out unescorted) for the landing from Hawaii to LA. Although you probably could have invaded via Attu and Alaska even without this.
12:50 Mountain artillery doesnt mean its about mountaineers but an artillery meant to be used in mountains by regular infantry. The difference between that and normal artillery is that its way way smaller (caliber and size overall) and you have take it on pieces and horses could carry parts of them etc ect. Another name is pack guns or mountain guns. Used in areas with poor infastructure. "The first designs of modern breechloading mountain guns with recoil control and the capacity to be easily broken down and reassembled into highly efficient units were made by Greek army engineers P. Lykoudis and Panagiotis Danglis (after whom the Schneider-Danglis gun was named) in the 1890s."
To me, the point of presets is to lock you to historical designs, right? So, using the unlockable designs fits really nicely into that concept. I'm down for it
Sorry to ask you this. But could you create actual historical accurate vehicle templates? It doesn't take you a lot of time to know what modules were actually implemented into said vehicles and they are actual possible to create in-game. I just say it because the pre-sets that you use are no THAT historical accurate.
If you want to win the soviet border thing. you need 6 marine divisions with a few light tanks in the division, and the most planning you can stack and you NEED lots of reinforcement stat, at least research radios so your guys show up for the battle.
There was a replacement for the Ha-Go called the Type 98 Ke-Ni which is probably what the improved light tank preset is supposed to be but the Japanese did keep making updates to the Ha-Go throughout the war and the Ke-Ni is basically the Ha-Go but with better welded armor and better engine
Japan has a great focus tree except that you have to choose between a major infantry attack boost or a major research boost to artillery and later tanks.
Loving the videos. I feel like you could go a bit further with the presets and modify them to be accurate to the real life counter parts rather than just be locked into Paradox's lack of efforts. I think people here are mostly here for the larp
Actually the transition did not happen all at once at 1938, but Type B divisions were added slowly (there've been less than 10 Type B divisions by 1940 but still more than 25 rectangular ones afaik). Imo the transfer into 3x3 Type B template would be sufficient (also better playable ingame), as there still were just 3 battalions per regiment. If you start at 1938 Hoi4 has a "chugata hohei shidan" template which fits that purpose well. Yes they had more more men but they weren't all combat units but several support units (water treatment, vets etc..), especially transport units, as those divs were less motorized than their German 3x3 counterparts (rolemodels). You basically can't handle that division as a 20k men fighting unit. Alltogether they had over 150 infantry divisions at the end of war but some of them were "Type C" divisions consisting of basically 2x4=8 inf. battalions + engineer/logistics/arty support (Type B and A also had field hospitals, Recon and Anti-tank). Adding the 30 regimental guns as support arty makes sense bc of the small caliber but since the gun in your tech tree is just 70mm you might aswell make just 2 arty battalions to have a more accurate amount of guns and to not overload the support companies (max. 5 which you basically all need for other stuff). Additionally I kept a 3x4 template to represent the Typ A infantry division which were the reinforced by a divisional regiment of 3 batallions (3x3+3=12), 2 arty+1support-arty and exactly the right amount of Anti-tank guns to form one anti-tank battalion ingame. Adding a light tank-scout support (optional as most had just a cavalry regiment which would represent the calvary scout support battalion and barely had the 24 lights tanks you'd get with a recon tank support ingame) and 1 medium tank battalion, that would have done the job (beside the field hospital, engineers and most importantly logistics aka the so-called "transport units"). The Independant Mixed Brigades played a big role (130+ mixed brigades) they should be adapted to having just 1 light tank battalion though. Many even had no tanks but 1 artillery battallion ("regiment") instead. Those without were basically just Independent Infantry Brigades (they had like 15 of those). Many mixed brigade had no tank or insufficient arty support, so they've been basically infantry brigades considering their fighting capabilities. Many of infantry divisions and brigades aswell had singal support units so you might add them as you like. Considering the ships, removing the second "Zuiho-Class" Carrier from the queue is a mistake as they had 2 of those. 2 Soryu class carriers queued up is also align with history. You have some too many of some early destroyer like mutsuki though, you could improve the worst ones to a self-designed "Akatsuki/Hatsuharu Class" before having the 1936 hull researched which is basically the "Asashio-class". There is information out there how they have been equipped, like when they have 80 torpedos you could make 2 torpedo slots, also the caliber of the ship guns is possible to replicate historically. You'd need to add 2 heavy cruisers "Tone-class" which is already available from beginning. 1943 your fleet would've been upgraded with Hydrophones and Radars. The national focus tree where you get 2 super-heavy yamato class is indeed the right historical option, you'd have to rename one of it though (the second was called "Musashi")...^^ Finally as the war progressed, those tank divisions all were structured different and got added more tanks. It does not make sense to make a new template for each division so I replicated the first, which would have the most Organization having 3 motorized infantry battalions. Usually they had lots of artillery and anti-tank guns, as support and spg varied I'd say make one that has 2 tanks and another spg or motorized arty/at battallion to compromise between historical accuracy and playability. PS: I think it's a tragedy that historical divisions perform so bad due to their template stats. Those division sizings actually were reduced in the early 20th century to become more mobile (especially Japanese divisions which were huge but benefited from being sized down by German military advisory after lessons from the Prussian-French war 1870-1871), so it was an organizational improvement to have smaller divisions (!). The way how it is played in Hoi4 having better divisions making them larger to "add organization" and cost-effectiveness of support units actually does not make any sense.
last time i played japan i only could put all my yamato ships and carriers next to us coast, it took a while but eventually i got domination there with like 10 ships
I'd say it's fine to use the presets you get at the start of the game and from focuses. For the missing naval designs, I'd say it would be fine to research the specifications like you do for the division templates and try to make your own designs as historical as possible.
Japan Also always makes me wish there was a “peace proposal button in hoi4” to not make every war a total war. I wish I could just take India, Australia, south east Asia and the pacific and then make a peace deal
using presets only gimps you, ignore presets unless they are historically accurate, and if they arent, modify them to make them historical or, as close as absolutely possible
Kinda late, but I think the reason why you can't reach US is because 1936 ships doesn't have enough range to reach it, split off the 1936 ships and have 1940 ships fleet only
Now you need to redo the earlier versions of this series where you went off the charts + gun count over the new manpower + equipment count. Do not pass go, do not collect 2 civilian factories, go back, straight to America.
@@Aldrahill nah I get you man just pulling your leg. But I might recommend making divisions from the ground up. For example the us infantry division from your prior video should have been issued 36 at guns and 12 aa .50 cal mgs (or at least I read that as aa since america used 50 cal supported by 37mm cannons for aa roles) And that's before you look at the divisional AT battalion (but this was provisional so optional.) Meaning if it was authorized that would jump to needing 72 at guns, 48 arty, 12 aa guns, in addition it looks like paradox doesn't include the security details for arty naturally requiring most arty battalions to also add a free inf bat. Turning the starting american division from a 9/1 into a 10/1/2(or 1 for the at) with nonegotiable aa and arty support companies as an example. Nice to see I'm not the only nerd weirdo who does this. I would recommend niehorster(dot)org as they are one of most reliable sources for unit charts even going so far as to cover obscure nations like Norway or Yugoslavia. As well as allowing you to go from divisional organization to battalion organization in easy flow charts. With this knowledge you must not keep Poland alive, you know to pay for your sins against paradox and all that jazz lol.
@@user-fw4cv8ob5z yeah I definitely made a few mistakes in misreading the graphs - one good example is in the Germany video, I misread the “heavy artillery” battalion as being an armoured SPG, when in actuality it was just a motorised 150mm arty battalion!
Imo, using starting templates and any from focuses is fair game. also keep in mind to check back on the presets after unlocking parts, because they will upgrade themselves sometimes if you have new parts available.
@@Aldrahill German and American sources seem to be the most widely avaliable and researched. They were definitely the easiest for me to find, and the US game was SUPER fun.
you can sneak to invade Alaska through small island in Bering trait same way as japan used during ww2 and more other thing you forget to annex the most headache land or either give it german or soviet union still there (it is map problem that show that area as seperate island even it is land in same continent with Russia.)
About the missing air brakes on Army planes. Did you really think the Army and Navy would share any technology or design? (They sometimes did but mostly ran their completely different programs.) Fun fact: When the Navy figured out what was causing a crippling desease in both soldiers and sailors (malnutrition), it took the Army a few more years to adapt their solution. Always a good start to land in Qingdao/Tsingtao for the (former German) brewery.
You could ask Siam for the Malaysian land via the diplomacy screen. Also seeing all the planes with the same picture is really bugging me because I _need_ to put a different image for each one.
I think it's fine if you use the designs unlocked from focuses especially if you're following the historical focus path designed by Paradox. Imo that's still in the spirit of the challenge are arguable more historically accurate based on how the game is supposed to play out.
If you ever want to do a cheeky long range invasion of the USA, build the cruiser sub design that Japan gets Day 1. Just a few of those and you can naval invade from a pacific island by winter 36 even.
Well, i suggest that one day u do this challenge as a minor nation. I myself tried it with hungary but i was using the historical designs not the presets, and i got a pretty cool game
Only use the presents now! Too late to go back. And no one left really has any given by focuses. When you do the USA you should also challenge yourself to only use the exact historical American divisions. America famously had the 90-divison gamble in WW2 by only fielding a little over 90 division throughout the whole war. Wikipedia has a full list of them.
I'd say focus tech should be allowed, as some presets are locked behind a focus with a 2 year ahead of time bonus Though it would be slightly awkward for the previous nations
I think historical designs and presets. However maybe add some type of mod that allows division design to be free so that you can always run the historical division templates
Weird thing about the Hoi4 navy, specifically the naval invasion support thing. The fleet will sit there and prove shore bombardment, until the landing is achieved. There is. Maximum percentage, that is added to by each ships light attack values for screens and heavy attack values for heavy ships, which I think is 25%. Take that with a grain of salt, I haven’t min maxed in a long time. If you want your carrier planes to engage, you need to now have them on an order, but rather sitting off shore and then deploy the planes. Hope that helps
@@Aldrahill You know that carrier with a lock with a box right next to that? If you check that, it allows you to use your carrier based aircraft for air missions. There is however a few things to keep in mind: They are still only 10 plane squadrons to an land based squadron's 100 and of course you have to have the carrier close enough to the combat for the CAS to provide support. This means that if you want to provide CAS by carrier, you should have your carrier fleet not set on any naval missions, but manual control to keep them exactly where you want the help.
I think another comment said this, but you should be able to use the historical designs. A lot of presets aren’t even accurate, and you would be more historically accurate with a better design 9/10 times. For example with Germany you will have the Bf109 as a preset. The Bf109 E however will have a cannon and four machine guns or the two cannons and machines guns, which will be historical. It would be way more fun if you could actually make the hard decisions sort of like in the war. I.E Make a Bf109 G-6 instead of an fw190 as your improved fighter. Be able to make a Stug III to put in your divisions, or SPGS, etc. For an improved medium you again could make a Panzer IV H or a Panzer III L. For ships remember that one turret is representative of two in game. For example the scharnhorst has 3 guns so it would have two heavy batteries. The Bismarck has four and would also two heavy batteries
So, something you may need to do to get the range needed is to build naval ports in between all of the islands in the Pacific. Additionally, the biggest problem you may be having is that your destroyers are all docked in the default ports and because of that dont have sufficient range to execute the missions you have them tasked with. To fix this, turn off your fleet orders and then manually move them to ports along the Pacific route to the USA before turning the orders back on. Your ships in maylaya will not be able to execute missions near San Diego but ships stationed in Hawaii should. Lastly, and if all else fails, whatever mio you were using to for your destroyers, swith your policy to the kne with the expanded flight deck. It will automatically confer the range bonus attached without haveing to refit the ship. 👍👍
I had a similar issue where I decided as the US to turn all my crappy destroyer ones into escort destroyers. Then I put all the ships on escorted orders but only like two groups were able to execute missions in the Philippines, and the rest were trapped in San Diego with not enough range to execute the orders given. The fix was easy enough, but I was definantly stressing for a minute cause it was mid-1940, and I had already upgraded and built like 200 of these crappy ships before I realized.
Agreed with the speed of the focuses, but honestly I kind of dislike some of the overly heavy focus trees that came out more recently. It feels like you will never work through some of them even if the war goes into the late 40s
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Why not blackice?
@@David_Brinkerhoff93 Read the bottom of the post! I am indeed doing a BI video sometime soon!
I think the BI one should be done as Germany@@Aldrahill
Tem um mod que melhora a Arvore de foco fo japa e dos outros paieses
I think you should be allowed to use the historical designs instead of being locked into the presets
Totally agree with this, it was sad on the Germany videos when you got the Panzers from the Soviet treaty.
Agree
No. Maybe the focus ones.
Agreed. As long as you aren’t customizing any designs, they still count as a “preset” to me. Still within the spirit of the challenge, and having a little variety in the designs (without being able to make anything imaginable) seems historical still.
Agreed
I think allowing the focus given designs is still inline with the "preset only" design philosophy of this series. After all they are still indeed presets given via focus instead of the designer
Completly agree. The same with starting desingns
"Weirdly the carrier CAS has dive breaks which the regular CAS doesn't."
Gotta love a good ol' service branch rivalry.
The historical designs for sure. Mostly because the Pre-sets seem to be forgotten about.
Couple things I noticed here
1. 6:01 Your planes are not on a mission because the carriers are on an active mission. To use the carrier planes you need to have carriers on a hold order out of port.
2. 20:20 You couldn't unassign the divisions because the general had offensive order active. If you had clicked the red box to stop you could have switched them to another army
3. 23:28 You need to create a new fleet consisting of only ships with around 3000km range. If I remember correctly Japans starting carriers and battleships should have enough range to reach California however you cant have light ships for them as they bring down the range down
All smart tips, thanks buddy! I was being super dumb about naval range in this video :ap
You must build naval bases. Not dockyards. It clearly says naval bases extend range, so make like a level 10 in hawaii and youll cover the entire pacific
@aliber7991 The level of naval bases does not increase the range of your ship. This means that you can have a level 1 naval base and still have the same range as if it was level 10 base.
The range is determined by the ships hull, national spirits, technology and modifications such as the fuel tanks for cruiser submarines.
Naval base levels only increase the supply throughput and repair slots.
Range of fleets is the average of ranges of ships in a fleet.
The base statistic of each hull range from 1500km with dd1 hull up to 6000km with 1944 submarine hull.
I think you should take it a step further and allow yourself to design the presents, but keep them as historical as possible. For instance, the Panther tank would have interweaved roadwheels, sloped armor, a long gun and 3 man turret, gasoline engine. A Bf 109E fighter would have 1 set of light machine guns, 1 cannon 1 (I think?), and some pilot armor. You can go crazy with ships and try making an actual Bismark/Yamato/whatever you need!
I think this will allow for even more historical immersion.
This sounds amazing. Even go further and make it so the Panther has to be below a certain level of reliabilty
Yeah, especially when paradox forgets to put some in.
Bf109E would have had 2 cannons, the installation of a cannon in the middle of the propeller would not happen before the F model
basically the armament of the 109s per model:
A,B : 2-3 lmg
C,D,E1: 4 lmg
C3,E3-T: 2 lmg + 2 light cannon (MG/FF), later modified to carry a centreline bomb rack or a drop tank, as would all subsequent models
E2,F: 2 lmg + 1 light cannon (E2 had a MG/FF, F used MG 151, so cannon 1 and 2 respectively?)
F4-G4: 2 lmg + 3 light cannons (1 nose and 2 underwing)
G5: 2 hmg + 1 light cannon
G6-K: 2 hmg + 1 heavy cannon, then could fit 2 light of heavy cannons underwing or rocket rails, and a centerline bombrack or a drop tank
Z1: 4 heavy cannnons
Z1: 2 heavy cannons + 2 centreline (1 per fuselage) bomb racks
to be accurate, the variants should all be based on the 1936 airframe, getting progressively more (and better) guns, as well as more powerful engines, but the only 2 weapons slots do limit the number or armament types one can mount on a single plane so maybe the F model onwards could count as 1940 airframe, but that then overlaps with the FW 190 (first flight 1939) which has... interesting weapons layout
one issue with going that route is the sheer xp cost, assuming we go by year appropriate designs, so having to adjust how many ever designs per year + the division templates
another is that while the air designer is fairly straightforward with the weapons and features one might add to a given airframe to replicate a set design, the others not so much
the tanks have some fuzzy places (what armour value to mimic their resistance? how fast should the tank be? do hull mgs count as extra mg?)
and naval is definitely weird with the slots and what goes with them (some ships have a load of possible configurations, more than a few impossible in game, how do you replicate late US ships with bonkers numbers of AA tubes?)
@@theredpandagamingswe7545 panther was actually not *that* unreliable, past the D model and their habit of catching fire when unattended
in fact on average panther had better reliability and the later panzer IV
their unreliability is a bit overstated as germany was constantly retreating, so tanks that suffered "normal" failures for which they could have been put back to service without issues had to be abandonned on the spot
same got for the tiger II, which, in it's normal gun tank version was more reliable than the preceding tiger I
"Yamamoto" goddamnit... it's the YAMATO, Yamamoto is the Admiral
I believe that you don't have the range because several of your ships have too little range to reach the US or respectively the Mexican coastline. In order to fix that you would have to create a fleet with only the highest range ships. E.g. Battleships with the best engine. The port in Honolulu is already at lvl 10 if I remember correctly so there is no use in building ports. Also using the designs that a focus give you is completely fine.
9:00: Count the regimental pieces as a support arty fits IMO. The regimental guns were all 75mm mountain guns and similar small pieces. And the 70mm battalion guns were tiny little baby-howitzers that were more like a medium mortar that could be used in direct fire.
Also, um, know the difference:
Ya-ma-to: The biggest battleships ever built.
Ya-ma-mo-to: The guy who planned Pearl Harbor.
Also, probably should have looked under outdated equipment for ship plans. ;)
The challenge is way more interesting as "can i simulate historical military org and designs where they are available in hoi4 and will they work" not "can i play a game of hoi4 by arbitrarily limiting what designs i use based on where they appear in the UI" so i say use all provided historical desgins wherever you find them; focuses, templates, defaults, presets
10:32 oh no admiral yamamoto turned into a ship
Definitely would love to see historical tanks implemented as opposed to just the presets, but honestly, man, i love the channel so do whats easiest
Thank you so much for your input and your kind words
Loving the series! Excited to see the Allies version! I think you should definitely allow yourself to use the presets AND the templates granted by focuses etc or by default on game start. If you want to maintain some restriction, limit yourself to whichever of the templates is more historically accurate if there's a discrepancy.
I sure can't wait for you to do historical preset US. Given how much we liked our marines in the war, designing USMC divisions are going to be a doozy for you.
Oh yeah I’ve done some research already and it’s kinda crazy xD their divisions are PACKED
After trying this naval focused island country, maybe you could try the other? At least information wont be as hard to get as some nations.
You mean the ol Blighty ;)
I think logically you'd be able to design the more updates hulls by taking in the design philosophy of the old presets. For example. They'd just be the 36 hull template but fitted to the 40 hull. With upgraded modules.
2:25 Good meme 👌
To be fair on the little guy, .50 cal isn't a "small arm" it's an anti-material round.
Historical designs for the win
Great Video mate :) Enjoy the series! (and yes, you should be allowed to use them!!!)
I am once again asking for tank only Sultanate of Aussa
Thanks! Got a ton of these planned :) appreciate the vote, into the spreadsheet it goes! :D
Any design that ends up in your production queue without you creating it I think is fair game.
Naval fleet range is decided by average range - split off your highest range ships (only on strike force, don't send them out unescorted) for the landing from Hawaii to LA. Although you probably could have invaded via Attu and Alaska even without this.
Yamato was the ship. Yamamoto is the admiral guy. Just thought you might like to know for future videos
12:50
Mountain artillery doesnt mean its about mountaineers but an artillery meant to be used in mountains by regular infantry.
The difference between that and normal artillery is that its way way smaller (caliber and size overall) and you have take it on pieces and horses could carry parts of them etc ect.
Another name is pack guns or mountain guns. Used in areas with poor infastructure.
"The first designs of modern breechloading mountain guns with recoil control and the capacity to be easily broken down and reassembled into highly efficient units were made by Greek army engineers P. Lykoudis and Panagiotis Danglis (after whom the Schneider-Danglis gun was named) in the 1890s."
I mean… mountaineers are just infantry with more cold weather clothing and bigger shovels :P same diff
Using the historical equipment from the game mixed with the historical divisions would be very fun, fills in the gaps of the presets
historical designs seem fine
To me, the point of presets is to lock you to historical designs, right? So, using the unlockable designs fits really nicely into that concept. I'm down for it
Good point! And you are in the majority by far!
Sorry to ask you this.
But could you create actual historical accurate vehicle templates? It doesn't take you a lot of time to know what modules were actually implemented into said vehicles and they are actual possible to create in-game.
I just say it because the pre-sets that you use are no THAT historical accurate.
I’ll count that as a vote for historical ones! I was trying to use the presets to show them off, but you raise a good point :)
@@Aldrahill, it could be that or my crippling ww2 fanboy shit.
love these, great video man!
Thanks so much! More coming next week! :)
24:13 I see that little baby USSR still standing between Kamchatka and Alaska
As long as you are using a design the game gave you its good
There are presets now?
Thank God.
Now I don't need to keep doing the same stuff every single playthrough.
If you want to win the soviet border thing. you need 6 marine divisions with a few light tanks in the division, and the most planning you can stack and you NEED lots of reinforcement stat, at least research radios so your guys show up for the battle.
14:59 "Ask for control of state."
There was a replacement for the Ha-Go called the Type 98 Ke-Ni which is probably what the improved light tank preset is supposed to be but the Japanese did keep making updates to the Ha-Go throughout the war and the Ke-Ni is basically the Ha-Go but with better welded armor and better engine
Ah that makes sense! Thanks for letting me know, it’s so easy to miss things :)
As someone whose only exposure to gameplay is pretty much this series, it's kind of crazy that this isn't already an opinion in vanilla+DLC HOI4.
Damn, that’s a high compliment :) I’m glad you’re enjoying it!
Japan has a great focus tree except that you have to choose between a major infantry attack boost or a major research boost to artillery and later tanks.
Loving the videos. I feel like you could go a bit further with the presets and modify them to be accurate to the real life counter parts rather than just be locked into Paradox's lack of efforts. I think people here are mostly here for the larp
The Japanese Focus tree is most outdated it hasnt recieved a patch since the first update AND IT WAS FOR BUGS
france next
I think whatever is more historically accurate should be allowed so if it comes from focuses definitely should be allowed
Yes please use the focus equipment. It makes it really painful to see you avoid them at all cost
Actually the transition did not happen all at once at 1938, but Type B divisions were added slowly (there've been less than 10 Type B divisions by 1940 but still more than 25 rectangular ones afaik). Imo the transfer into 3x3 Type B template would be sufficient (also better playable ingame), as there still were just 3 battalions per regiment. If you start at 1938 Hoi4 has a "chugata hohei shidan" template which fits that purpose well. Yes they had more more men but they weren't all combat units but several support units (water treatment, vets etc..), especially transport units, as those divs were less motorized than their German 3x3 counterparts (rolemodels). You basically can't handle that division as a 20k men fighting unit. Alltogether they had over 150 infantry divisions at the end of war but some of them were "Type C" divisions consisting of basically 2x4=8 inf. battalions + engineer/logistics/arty support (Type B and A also had field hospitals, Recon and Anti-tank). Adding the 30 regimental guns as support arty makes sense bc of the small caliber but since the gun in your tech tree is just 70mm you might aswell make just 2 arty battalions to have a more accurate amount of guns and to not overload the support companies (max. 5 which you basically all need for other stuff).
Additionally I kept a 3x4 template to represent the Typ A infantry division which were the reinforced by a divisional regiment of 3 batallions (3x3+3=12), 2 arty+1support-arty and exactly the right amount of Anti-tank guns to form one anti-tank battalion ingame. Adding a light tank-scout support (optional as most had just a cavalry regiment which would represent the calvary scout support battalion and barely had the 24 lights tanks you'd get with a recon tank support ingame) and 1 medium tank battalion, that would have done the job (beside the field hospital, engineers and most importantly logistics aka the so-called "transport units").
The Independant Mixed Brigades played a big role (130+ mixed brigades) they should be adapted to having just 1 light tank battalion though. Many even had no tanks but 1 artillery battallion ("regiment") instead. Those without were basically just Independent Infantry Brigades (they had like 15 of those). Many mixed brigade had no tank or insufficient arty support, so they've been basically infantry brigades considering their fighting capabilities. Many of infantry divisions and brigades aswell had singal support units so you might add them as you like.
Considering the ships, removing the second "Zuiho-Class" Carrier from the queue is a mistake as they had 2 of those. 2 Soryu class carriers queued up is also align with history. You have some too many of some early destroyer like mutsuki though, you could improve the worst ones to a self-designed "Akatsuki/Hatsuharu Class" before having the 1936 hull researched which is basically the "Asashio-class". There is information out there how they have been equipped, like when they have 80 torpedos you could make 2 torpedo slots, also the caliber of the ship guns is possible to replicate historically. You'd need to add 2 heavy cruisers "Tone-class" which is already available from beginning. 1943 your fleet would've been upgraded with Hydrophones and Radars. The national focus tree where you get 2 super-heavy yamato class is indeed the right historical option, you'd have to rename one of it though (the second was called "Musashi")...^^
Finally as the war progressed, those tank divisions all were structured different and got added more tanks. It does not make sense to make a new template for each division so I replicated the first, which would have the most Organization having 3 motorized infantry battalions. Usually they had lots of artillery and anti-tank guns, as support and spg varied I'd say make one that has 2 tanks and another spg or motorized arty/at battallion to compromise between historical accuracy and playability.
PS: I think it's a tragedy that historical divisions perform so bad due to their template stats. Those division sizings actually were reduced in the early 20th century to become more mobile (especially Japanese divisions which were huge but benefited from being sized down by German military advisory after lessons from the Prussian-French war 1870-1871), so it was an organizational improvement to have smaller divisions (!). The way how it is played in Hoi4 having better divisions making them larger to "add organization" and cost-effectiveness of support units actually does not make any sense.
last time i played japan i only could put all my yamato ships and carriers next to us coast, it took a while but eventually i got domination there with like 10 ships
I've always wanted a series like this, love these!
I'd say it's fine to use the presets you get at the start of the game and from focuses. For the missing naval designs, I'd say it would be fine to research the specifications like you do for the division templates and try to make your own designs as historical as possible.
Love to see, that the Soviets still existed in the end. Just like every time one small island or similar keeping the giants alive.
I think historical designs from the focus three is fine
i love your videos man. great work!
The easiest way to get to the US when you lack range is to hop from Siberia to Alaska, then invade Seattle and go from there.
If a historical focus gives you a design, I think its ok to use
Japan Also always makes me wish there was a “peace proposal button in hoi4” to not make every war a total war. I wish I could just take India, Australia, south east Asia and the pacific and then make a peace deal
Who would've thought that the IJA used space marine divisions.
Ahead of their time!
Great video, really enjoying this type of video, im happy with you using the presets
Background music helps so much in the immersion 😍
Thank you! Glad you liked the music choice :)
Do Bulgaria next, because you still have Hungary, Romania and Finland as the lesser known axis members
historical designs and presets together
Finland maybe? If you can find the data for the division templates.
Surviving the winter war with whatever '39 template sounds like ~~fun~~ pain
Someone actually linked me some historical sources so Finland is definitely on the list!
@@Aldrahill that's sick
Such glorious borders at the end
using presets only gimps you, ignore presets unless they are historically accurate, and if they arent, modify them to make them historical or, as close as absolutely possible
Kinda late, but I think the reason why you can't reach US is because 1936 ships doesn't have enough range to reach it, split off the 1936 ships and have 1940 ships fleet only
Totally right!
hmmm noresearch game as the soviets???? sounds interesting... cant wait till it comes out
Now you need to redo the earlier versions of this series where you went off the charts + gun count over the new manpower + equipment count.
Do not pass go, do not collect 2 civilian factories, go back, straight to America.
True! Be a bit boring to re-do it all exactly the same but a bit more accurate though xD I definitely made a lot of mistakes in the earlier videos!
@@Aldrahill nah I get you man just pulling your leg. But I might recommend making divisions from the ground up. For example the us infantry division from your prior video should have been issued 36 at guns and 12 aa .50 cal mgs (or at least I read that as aa since america used 50 cal supported by 37mm cannons for aa roles)
And that's before you look at the divisional AT battalion (but this was provisional so optional.) Meaning if it was authorized that would jump to needing 72 at guns, 48 arty, 12 aa guns, in addition it looks like paradox doesn't include the security details for arty naturally requiring most arty battalions to also add a free inf bat.
Turning the starting american division from a 9/1 into a 10/1/2(or 1 for the at) with nonegotiable aa and arty support companies as an example.
Nice to see I'm not the only nerd weirdo who does this.
I would recommend niehorster(dot)org as they are one of most reliable sources for unit charts even going so far as to cover obscure nations like Norway or Yugoslavia. As well as allowing you to go from divisional organization to battalion organization in easy flow charts.
With this knowledge you must not keep Poland alive, you know to pay for your sins against paradox and all that jazz lol.
@@user-fw4cv8ob5z yeah I definitely made a few mistakes in misreading the graphs - one good example is in the Germany video, I misread the “heavy artillery” battalion as being an armoured SPG, when in actuality it was just a motorised 150mm arty battalion!
Imo, using starting templates and any from focuses is fair game. also keep in mind to check back on the presets after unlocking parts, because they will upgrade themselves sometimes if you have new parts available.
I did my own Japanese version of this challenge and researching for the divisions was ROUGH honestly.
Yeah some of it can be pretty hard xD I found the American sources were the most helpful :)
@@Aldrahill German and American sources seem to be the most widely avaliable and researched. They were definitely the easiest for me to find, and the US game was SUPER fun.
France should be interresting with that challenge 🤔
+1 to historic design.
you can sneak to invade Alaska through small island in Bering trait same way as japan used during ww2 and more other thing you forget to annex the most headache land or either give it german or soviet union still there (it is map problem that show that area as seperate island even it is land in same continent with Russia.)
About the missing air brakes on Army planes. Did you really think the Army and Navy would share any technology or design? (They sometimes did but mostly ran their completely different programs.)
Fun fact: When the Navy figured out what was causing a crippling desease in both soldiers and sailors (malnutrition), it took the Army a few more years to adapt their solution.
Always a good start to land in Qingdao/Tsingtao for the (former German) brewery.
Good point! The inter service rivalry of Japan is utterly fascinating, albeit utterly insane :P
@@Aldrahill Yeah, somehow having your branches fight with each other is not conducive to victory. Who could have imagined.
Love this series!
Yes, use designs from focuses and game start :)
There is a torpedo cruiser special ship that you get through a focus though?? And that's literally the Shimakaze
Use the given by focuses, it’s also “historical accurate”)))
Old destroyers have terrible range so they need to be removed from the invasion fleet.
AH that’s it! You worked it out :)
9:44 bro u kept the normal recon company instead of replacing it with the armored one
Looks fun
You could ask Siam for the Malaysian land via the diplomacy screen. Also seeing all the planes with the same picture is really bugging me because I _need_ to put a different image for each one.
I think it's fine if you use the designs unlocked from focuses especially if you're following the historical focus path designed by Paradox. Imo that's still in the spirit of the challenge are arguable more historically accurate based on how the game is supposed to play out.
If you ever want to do a cheeky long range invasion of the USA, build the cruiser sub design that Japan gets Day 1. Just a few of those and you can naval invade from a pacific island by winter 36 even.
Good tip!
you should use focus vehicles too. they are historical. its more historically inaccurate to force yourself to ignore them completely
Just make It Historical
Good Show
Fun History Lesson
I think that you should even be allowed to design the right stuff if paradox forgot
This, but with the Black Ice mod.
Well, i suggest that one day u do this challenge as a minor nation. I myself tried it with hungary but i was using the historical designs not the presets, and i got a pretty cool game
Only use the presents now! Too late to go back. And no one left really has any given by focuses. When you do the USA you should also challenge yourself to only use the exact historical American divisions. America famously had the 90-divison gamble in WW2 by only fielding a little over 90 division throughout the whole war. Wikipedia has a full list of them.
I'd say focus tech should be allowed, as some presets are locked behind a focus with a 2 year ahead of time bonus
Though it would be slightly awkward for the previous nations
I think historical designs and presets. However maybe add some type of mod that allows division design to be free so that you can always run the historical division templates
you can ask your allies to occupy land
yeah focus stuff is fine
you could reach hawaii if u used ur carriers to port strike
You need to use submarines to invade from Hawaii to LA
Weird thing about the Hoi4 navy, specifically the naval invasion support thing. The fleet will sit there and prove shore bombardment, until the landing is achieved. There is. Maximum percentage, that is added to by each ships light attack values for screens and heavy attack values for heavy ships, which I think is 25%. Take that with a grain of salt, I haven’t min maxed in a long time. If you want your carrier planes to engage, you need to now have them on an order, but rather sitting off shore and then deploy the planes. Hope that helps
That is so weird! Makes carriers a bit… weird, honestly :P thanks for your answer though!
@@Aldrahill You know that carrier with a lock with a box right next to that? If you check that, it allows you to use your carrier based aircraft for air missions. There is however a few things to keep in mind: They are still only 10 plane squadrons to an land based squadron's 100 and of course you have to have the carrier close enough to the combat for the CAS to provide support. This means that if you want to provide CAS by carrier, you should have your carrier fleet not set on any naval missions, but manual control to keep them exactly where you want the help.
I think another comment said this, but you should be able to use the historical designs.
A lot of presets aren’t even accurate, and you would be more historically accurate with a better design 9/10 times.
For example with Germany you will have the Bf109 as a preset. The Bf109 E however will have a cannon and four machine guns or the two cannons and machines guns, which will be historical.
It would be way more fun if you could actually make the hard decisions sort of like in the war. I.E Make a Bf109 G-6 instead of an fw190 as your improved fighter.
Be able to make a Stug III to put in your divisions, or SPGS, etc.
For an improved medium you again could make a Panzer IV H or a Panzer III L.
For ships remember that one turret is representative of two in game. For example the scharnhorst has 3 guns so it would have two heavy batteries. The Bismarck has four and would also two heavy batteries
So, something you may need to do to get the range needed is to build naval ports in between all of the islands in the Pacific. Additionally, the biggest problem you may be having is that your destroyers are all docked in the default ports and because of that dont have sufficient range to execute the missions you have them tasked with. To fix this, turn off your fleet orders and then manually move them to ports along the Pacific route to the USA before turning the orders back on. Your ships in maylaya will not be able to execute missions near San Diego but ships stationed in Hawaii should. Lastly, and if all else fails, whatever mio you were using to for your destroyers, swith your policy to the kne with the expanded flight deck. It will automatically confer the range bonus attached without haveing to refit the ship. 👍👍
I had a similar issue where I decided as the US to turn all my crappy destroyer ones into escort destroyers. Then I put all the ships on escorted orders but only like two groups were able to execute missions in the Philippines, and the rest were trapped in San Diego with not enough range to execute the orders given. The fix was easy enough, but I was definantly stressing for a minute cause it was mid-1940, and I had already upgraded and built like 200 of these crappy ships before I realized.
Agreed with the speed of the focuses, but honestly I kind of dislike some of the overly heavy focus trees that came out more recently. It feels like you will never work through some of them even if the war goes into the late 40s
Definitely agreed, the turkey focuses for example take AGES
@@Aldrahill Oof, I skipped Battle for the Bosporus which sounds like it might have been a sound choice.
I never understood why first carrier div and Yamatos are excuding. 1st CarDIv was formed in 1928, the hell i need to "research" it in like 1940???
10:43 IT'S THE YAMATO NOT THE YAMAMOTO BROOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OH GOD PLZ FORGIVE ME
@@Aldrahill bro u need to sleep more
The lack of a way to recriate Pearl Harbor is one of the biggest downsides of Japan
Regarding the naval invasion range, I believe destroyers limit ur naval invasion limit, have u tried to do it with cruisers only?
You were right! I had old crappy destroyers in the fleet :(
The surprise attack spy mission thing should declare war when its done, did you pick a target?
I did pick a target, but it just didn’t do anything to actually hit enemy ships :P