the Ranked PvP Experience - Armored Core 6
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- The Ranked PvP in AC6 has some issues...
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Competitive pvp really brings out the worst in people.
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I didn't want to bog down my build video with this. So I'll talk about the current state of Ranked PvP here. There's a huge epidemic on people disconnecting whenever they lose AND also when your build just so happens to counter theirs. This isn't much of an issue rising up through the letter ranks but becomes gigantic issue for S rank leader boards. All high ranking players on the leader boards disconnect as soon as they loose. I even found unranked S rank players who disconnect as well! That means all the leader board is sham because on disconnecters will rise up while honest players eventually go down in rank by losing to these disconnecters. The current state of Ranked PvP is quite sad. Anyways subscribe for the SS rank build video coming out tomorrow.
Kinda sad that ranked is plagued with a bunch of losers who can't lose honestly
Edit: Wow, these people are shameless
@@Azrael_Shade truly
I can understand players who are playing non-meta build whos disconnect when they fight a meta-build with a probability of success of almost 0%, but seeing a meta user ragequit is just… wow, what a freaking loser.
The biggest loser.
Yeah hopefully they change it so those that leave take the L rather than it end up being a draw.
It's really sad to see a missile rat disconnect the moment they have to touch the ground. Like, bro, this is what happens.
Yeah, like seriously. Bro got to S rank disconnecting whenever he loses 1 round.
It's funny how those types of players are so stupid. They just keep going sideways in the air, even when you are easily hitting them
Rats shouldn't even be able to exist in the form they do but Fromsoft really wanted to streamline Armored Core without knowing how people would react and here we are
@@adhdasdfroflxd123 it's not a surprise people went for all missile, constant flight builds. Hell, I used one in many of the missions. I wouldn't personally take that into pvp. Imo, it's lazy. But there is always something that can catch up, as Geo and many others experience. I'm happy about this last patch on the note of disconnects.
@@helixwash4508 Was the game patched recently? I stopped playing like 3 months ago or so and have been trying to get back into ACVD, so I am very out of the loop for AC6
Pretty stupid that a person ragequitting counts as a draw. I play a lot of Rocket League and if the team or player (in 1v1) leaves it's a win for the remaining team or player. EDIT: Also the lack of a time based ban for rage quitting needs to be put in place to encourage players to play it out. In Rocket League it's a 5 minute ban, then 10 minutes and so on the more you leave matches.
We definitely need this in ac6.
Probably need to be careful that this doesn't affect players who might genuinely DC from a fight too harshly. I think assigning a win to the non-DCed player is reasonable though, especially if they're leading in armor points.
@@Revenante_of_Asylum in fairness if you do have genuine internet connection issues you should probably take 5 minutes to sort it out. Also lose penalty for DC is standard in most PvP games
@@Revenante_of_Asylum no offense, but that isnt really an excuse. poor ilinternet connections ruin the competitive spirit for the folks you play with.
AC6 or any pvp cant just let a few personal issue leave the door open for way more ego driven children to ruin the game
@@timvoorhees8102 Is AC6's competitive spirit problem more on the side of a connectivity issue that a number of tryhards exploit to preserve their, or does it lie closer to all the flying rats trying to zoom up the ladder with the mega-optimal meta builds?
I don't know what is unreasonable about my position anyway. I'm essentially in favor of giving a *win* to the players opposite the DCing player who at worst is out to cancel a loss, but at best might just be someone who got hit with a random spike in the internet that they might then take the time to address if possible.
I was always on the fence because i knew people would do this. Too many care about winning and not having fun, to the point theyll hack
Yeah, it aint fun.
I miss the days when you just got hyper abusive voice messages instead of all the rage quitters.
@@lucianjaeger4893 lmao. Those were entertaining at the very least.
@@GloriousGEO they were, especially when they were so mad they'd sound like they were going to cry 😂 ACFA was glorious for that take a single sword into a lobby of gun bros and let the salt flow through your messages good times😌
Lol i played against the first guy before pvp ranked came out. Hed always boot me out of the room if i had a counter build. Also disc against rats should be normalized haha. Other than that most builds r fair game since at least they dont run away
He's so freakin annoying. I wish he would just ragequit this game complete.y
The name of that one sent you hate mail is Arquebus Re-education Center in simplified Chinese. I wouldn't be surprise for someone with that kind of name doing things like this.
Huh, thanks for letting me know.
Living embodiment of the strongest Arquebus fan, right there.
Where there’s rank…..there’s salt 🧂 😂
too true, haha
turns out we were all iguazu
@@bongbong9991 when we didnt became like Iguazu in our lifetime?
The fact this is spicier than sweaty tryhard invasions in ER is saying something. I'm impressed, actually. I didn't think it would devolve so fast.
Yeah, seriously. What the hell.
Id say this is down to from software lack of experience with pvp. Most of the maps are wide open space with very little cover. If they look at other multiplayer games say like (and please forgive me) COD theyre are multiple roots and places to take cover but in ac6 the maps dont have this. They are cut out from levels of the game and not specifically designed for pvp matches. As such it gives advantage to certain builds. Which i believe causes frustration (speaking from experience 😂). People probably dont want to lose their rank just because the map put them at a disadvantage. Fromsoft should also inact penalties for disconnects. Day bans for instance.
The thing is the single player game itself is a testament to their level design. Have things in the air that can use as cover or even perch on but have things on the ground that can fit an ac inside like a callapaed tunnel entrance enough for you to hide under but stay too long and youll be pinned stuff like that. The thinking for the maps in my opinion are too limitted. Or maybe it is just people being petty
They really dropped the ball on this.
gotta agree, the map design is heavily tilted towards missile kite thingies or whatever those are called. maps with lots of cover tend to be more fun, like wall sector with those tall buildings.
the new maps they added aren’t perfect but is step in the right direction with more varied terrain
@@neco_arc_gaming i think wall sector is my favourite map and you're right im glad they added new maps, would like them to be original pvp maps with some thought in them though.
@@GloriousGEOwe're missing xylem flying city for more area with walls
Also, ranked map definitely need to bring variety from older map, new map is nice & all, but we can't access older map, why?
@@somechinesedude5466 I know right. It's so damn limited.
This is unfortunately why i stopped pvp in ranked too many ppl who are just... disconnecting, insulting etc... I just want to have fun while using funny builds
I feel the same, now. At least I got SS rank before it degenerated to into this.
I've been falsely accused of rage DQing TWICE because From keeps dropping the servers and it's so frustrating to have to be like "nah dude it was From" thankfully both times they apologized because (besides the rage quitters and derank worrywarts that DQ) the community has been super supportive. Honestly, it sometimes feels like we're emulating the arena experience with our builds and rank as our character. For instance sometimes From connects me with someone two ranks below or above me and I feel like I have to try extra hard to represent I'm better than my rank suggests or show the lower ranker how they need to step up to make it to that rank
It totally is like the arena.
From software really have opened Pandora's box with this patch, I miss old maps and lobbies where people just had fun
Same.
Same here
It's literally ranked just find a server or room in-game.
I've been cock blocked at ranked A/0 because i keep getting dogged on by missile rats and tanks and yet i refuse to leave or change the AC. White glint will make it one day even if it's months away.
Godspeed
Why is dcing not an auto lose. Sure some poor internet disconnects would need to take the occassional loss but that is a reasonable price.
I know, right? It's dumb.
I wish SA servers had queue, I hate playing w lag on global and I'm sure people don't enjoy it as well :( PvP is really unbalanced right now, I hope 1.06 gets some good balance changes and penalty for DCing
Fingers crossed.
Likewise; it's basically impossible to queue into a 3's match in NA East, and I've sat in 20+ minute queues before just giving up, setting to Global, and blocking anyone who has more than 200 ping.
Not even being able to queue for more than one region at a time other than global is a huge oversight and something FROM/Bandai-Namco need to address, among many other things.
Crossplay would also help
@@trevorsawicki4825 Woah, I didn't know you could limit ping :O Gonna try it soon!
@@ayanarchy Not directly, no; the SteamP2PInfo tool can (sometimes) give you info on other players' ping compared to yours. You still have to block players on an individual level in Steam, and to be honest, I'm still not totally sure whether this accomplishes anything. It seems to help?
I just want a casual matchmaking, I hate waiting my turn in a silent lobby.
Same here
Tbh i think that ranked experience is totally bs. To me 50% of the game is trying being creative in the garage and i already saw tons of people with your exact same setup: same frame, same weapons, same tactics (they're probably copying you or some other youtuber). Before this update i saw a lot more creative builds, and pvp was actually fun, at least to me. Now it's like 3-4 builds just repeating. The disconnect thing is the last issue.
yeah its a big mess
That REEDUCATION guy at the start is notorious for DCing against everyone. Ironic given he plays a skybox bot
I wish he would get banned already
A functional PvP experience for US audiences with US infrastructure has always been an afterthought for FROM, but this is probably the laziest rollout I've ever seen from them. It makes it so hard to take the PvP scene in this game seriously.
It's a joke, really.
Well which market is bigger for them foreign or domestic?
in 2023, designing an online game or gamemode without punishment for disconnection is just plain incompetence. There's no excuse.
Absolutely
The new parts, weapons, and maps just show that fromsoft doesn't understand the problems with AC6, and weirdly decided to pander to the meta crowd instead of returning players. First parts, the new qaud legs are everything wrong with AC6's movement as they superfast, regardless of booster, low energy cost and a surprisingly high load limit. The game already had a problem with missile boats so they make better missile boats? Next weapons, the new machine gun lacks impact and fire rate, the new pulse missiles are oppressive in 3v3s and annoying 1v1s, and that new laggy laster cannon. AC6 already had too many laser cannons, and so they made another one? EXCEPT! This one does nearly the same damage as the wing cannons, has a fire rate similar to the heavy laser rifle, more ammo than the laser wings and 3/4 of the weight, stupidly low energy cost, AND leaves a AOE blast when fully charged! That AOE chases people if the connection is bad enough, doing massive damage! At even medium ping you pretty much can't miss at close to mid range! Then, there is that maps. AC6's maps were already way too big and didn't have any cover, so they made bigger maps with even less cover? Why?
And finally there should have been TWO types of online matchmaking, casual and ranked. Because that just the basics of online multi-player!
I've tried to return, I really have but when 90% of all matches are just sweat fests with meta builds, I just can't anymore. Especially when all most people do is fly upward with auto tracking missiles or cannons so you can't even try to hit them.
They have no idea what they are doing
You gotta be a special kind of coward to rage quit with Terminal Armor equipped.
The worst.
Guess no game is safe from the hackers, cheaters, and whiny little quitters. This is why I haven't bothered.
Good call.
Yea I have been doing my due diligence to report the quitters in hopes that From might do something to combat this( and I mean "something" I realize there's only so much you can do about it). I've had quitters quit at the start of a match and also when they realized they couldn't beat me. In all honesty I've had matches where I ended up against someone a second or third time that was for sure not going to win against me and thought to myself I wish I could mildly apologize to them for what's about to happen... again. And kudos to those who let it happen and didn't quit, I am sorry that From's Matchmaking let that happen to you.
You a real one.
@@GloriousGEO you too GEO keep it up Raven
I think pull out of any session is corny but, what if he's running wheelchairs dual zims and dual lch?
Wheelchairs have been nerfed pretty hard this match. They aren't really an issue now. Everyone justs lamm legs because they are better in every way.
@@GloriousGEObro I love playing wheelchair, I'm glad they got nerfed so I don't have to feel bad about using them now
@@superceilingfan9741 That's true! Enjoy.
Love your build its honest and fair at most not like those missile rats and laser canon meta tank users
They are so annoying!
That's the reason don't play PVP on PC
I usually play on ps5
Next month would be all kind of funny once the leaderboard reset 😂
Btw, did you ever disconnect during matches for no reason at all? I think i have few matches i'll loss, than my enemy just DC
I've had those weird matches. I'll make a video of them when I can.
i wish there's a reset of rankings.
at least it will make things "fresh" in a way to keep the players at least more engaged into this mode.
although they really need to change their anti-cheat AND screw the rage quitters more than just going neutral.
@@GloriousGEOthere will be on feb 24th iirc
@@emel6423 aight
I stopped playing because of the rage-quitters, lag and the lack of EU community. The PVP has to be polished
Definitely
Its Either fucking vientos or fucking laser tanks cant even enjoy my time in ranked, wish there was a casual que or something cuz i also dont like the server browser
An unranked matchmaking mode would be so good. Have all maps unlocked for it.
People who disconnect can actually be reported. On your match history, go to the match's Member detail, then report the following player.
There is an option to select an Item to Report as Style of play > Match Dropouts
Yeah, I go back and do it for every draw in my singles match history.
I can't confirm this, but it also seems matchmaking works similar to how invasions work in Souls games; blocking players in Steam seems to make it so you won't be matched with them?
Ranking is full of people using really Powerful ass builds while, its always the Zimmermans, Earshots, Miniguns and other absolutely dipsh!t builds where i couldn't have fun to the point i resorted into using the Build i used to complete the game and modify it into Ranking use
I felt bad for battling a person 3 TIMES (yes i battled the same person 3 times) and i couldn't help but feel pity while using the build but to DM him that i was sorry
It gets worse the higher rank you are. I once fought the same guy 7 times in a row at A rank. No fun allowed.
Between the latency issues causing shots to hit when you clearly dodge them, people who disconnect, and more, I just can’t enjoy PVP. It sucks, because PVP is the only place to really test yourself and your AC. PVE really doesn’t offer a challenge in any of the missions
Yeah. Lets hope they fix it
If you don't play Bipedal in pvp then you don't get to complain lol. You're either flying around with more than enough HP, or you're rolling around with even more HP. Either way youre a coward. The real PvP is in the Bipedal fights
Exactly Biped4lyfe
I agree the state of pvpbis horrendous, quite literally see the same 4 meta builds. I can understand someone disconnecting from a kite build they stand no chance against and same for a tank build. But if you're using those scummy builds and rage quit when you get outplayed, you really arent worthy of being called skillful. Hope they fix the issues in pvp a lot of weapons need to be looked at atm as it isn't just disconnects thats the issue. This game is super fun when everyone has a fair chance at winning but when you have these absolutely busted no chance at winning builds it sucks the fun out of it by a lot. Thats y im trying to climb to the top with a nonmeta medium weight build.
Here's hoping they nerfed to the ground.
Just like DS3, they come in spamming a short sword so you parry and they DC...lol same shit different game.
Heh, same ol fromsoft.
i dont even touch 1v1 cos i knew it would be turbo sweats and quitters scumming the ranks, They will sweat and cheat their ass off until they get that S rank card then never touch 1v1 again, in 3v3 their more chill cos its eazy to get carried to S,
you should get a week Ban from rank if you disconnect 3 times within a short period
Yeah they should
Fromsoft dropped the ball again (like usual) why didn't they just make it so you lose rank when disconnecting?
common fromsoft L
Bro I stopped grinding Rank at B when I realized what was going to be in store. FROM is also slow with patches.
Better to wait, yeah
We've had almost monthly patches since the game came out, FROM really isn't slow for patches, especially if they add new content like 1.05.
Hate mail is a blessing... because then you can report them and they get banned 😂
true true
Those player should just stay single player
If I’m gonna lose! I’m gonna go all out then bother with defenses. “Time to hit hard and make them regret.”
Hell yeah
I'll just battle with my friend or family. Online player is just sad
very sad
God I WISH people would send me hatemail. (It's so funny)
Yeah, its pretty silly
This stuff was bound to happen when FromSoft made the maps so big. I don't know what they were thinking. And they nerfed buerzels so midweights have a trouble catching up, forcing them to use lasers.
They might have killed pvp ironically enough, due to the map choices.
I love the maps in Ranked, they really aren't "too big", they're a breath of fresh air and all have some amount of cover to use. LOC Station 31 could use a smaller ceiling, but otherwise I'm a big fan of the maps.
Really I think Ranked matches need a 3-minute timer instead of 2-minutes to allow for more tactics against enemies. Feels bad when you fight a tank that knows they can run and hide because they have a life lead. Short timers give an inherent advantage to ACs with high AP because it forces a player to put themselves in more dangerous situations to try to get enough damage in time.
Yeah, seriously. Who wants to with deal missile players in big open maps??
@@GloriousGEO I really haven't had that much trouble with missile players because I myself use 2 missiles on my back, then get to cover and pop out and shoot them, using cover to stop their missile or dodge them.
Every map has a varying degree of cover you can use against missiles, but if you don't have your own long range option to retaliate there's gonna be issues for sure.
I'm pretty sure Wall Sector is a bigger map or as big as these maps, and Watchpoint Delta and Bona Dea Dunes were awful open maps without cover to speak of against missile rats. The ranked maps are my favorites.
Buerzels needed a nerf idk what you are talking about
Subscribed btw, r u on psn xbox or pc?
Appreciate it. I'm on PC.
quit the game whitout penalty does't make any sense in Ranked mode and why draw and not winnig
I hate it so much.
I love how the gut using the infamous lag cannons is calling you a lag switcher.
I know, right
Unranked was just a bit of fun, but when progression is tied to a horrible imbalance that favors builds that inflict the most stagger or can spamm missiles from a distance over all else, that's when the frustration begins. Get staggered once, and half your health is gone, get staggered again within the next 5 seconds and be destroyed. You don't even get a shot off sometimes. All of that before considering how the promotion phase works. If you lose 4 matches during s-rank promotion it's faster to get losses by quitting until you drop down to A-rank because none of your wins will count towards anything.
Yeah, too many meta builds in higher ranks to have any sort of fun.
Congratulations for the hatemail😂
Always makes for a nice video to farm their salt lol
Hate how everyone turtles and runes away the whole time. How is that any fun smh
I know, right
so far everythings been good in playstation servers
Lucky. Wish i bought ac6 on ps5
PvP is cancer in every game
True. But this is a new type of cancer for ac6.
I like PvP however I can't say I've seen worse 😂😂
Enjoy your cool looking plasma swap build all you want, I'm still ruining little rattas with my twin Delivery Boys, bomb thrower, and Xuan-Ge, manual aim of course. (I have been stuck in rank C for the last 2 days)
Haha, as long as you are having a good time!
to be fair, that reaper guy was actually pretty decent guy. he is pretty active on AC6 steam forum and always gives sensible advice on PvP topics. as you probably know, steam forum is filled with deranged and unhinged individuals.
still, I hate seeing him playing as a double-laser tank. hate those builds lol
The fight was good. So maybe he was having a bad day.
Wtf does infact even mean?????
No idea lmao
dont use the quad laser meta build then. everyone uses it, its almost impossible to beat dude lol
and you run away and hide lol why are you wondering why people quit?
lol quitter cope
huh?
Probably one of the reason why I didn't took PvP and ranked matches seriously lmao
Its bad
You would think that disconnecting too many times in a ranked match would drop your rank.
Fromsoft lacks common sense.
Id be mad if I got stuck playing a heaving bidped with quad lasers
Should had ragequit as soon as they saw me then
Hopefully after the holidays fromsoft fixes this issue. Probably add win streaks to make the climb less grindy. Cause having to rank up 5 times in B rank saps a lot outta you. I've also seen how horribly random the points given out in S rank are. You can lose 20 and gain 3, like wtf.
Having a decent internet connection requirement or better servers would help too. Noting sucks more than playing a laggy player and losing to them.
S rank leaderboard is absolutely worthless. Don't bother engaging with it once u hit S rank.
@@GloriousGEO got it 👍
I was not ready for the hacker 😂 i need that movement 😮
Lmao
Im glad to see hate mail is still a thing. Especially hate mail dripping with irony.
They never get old
This has happened so many times already for me
And it'll keep happening until something is done about it...
Hahahahaha yeah this is my ranked experience in a nutshell, it's terrible and especially in team ranked because draws count towards one of your promotional matches I've qualified for s rank 3 times and over half my matches are lost to rage quits.
Daamn that sucks
@@GloriousGEO yeah It's egregious
Ranked being the most frustrating thing in existence.
It doesnt even end once u get double SS rank either.
They need to remove terminal armor in PVP…
He would have ragequit the first match either way.
@@GloriousGEO True. I still think terminal makes it much easier to quit though :/ and also it kinda ruins the pace of the game overall in PVP.
Yeah, they overbuffed the hell out of it. It was fine before.
tell me about it.
I'm flying a light-mid weight(lighter side of the midweight class) bipedal with coral gen and grildwalker(still trying the alula) with usually a pair of rifles(which i change to something else but still keep one rifle.), Act-2 and Duo-3.
I tend to fly high and rain from above. and depending on my enemy's loadout if i play kiting, stay on mid range or get a bit closer but still retaining that i fly above them as possible.
and some people who are way grounded or unable to connect with their stagger combos just rage quit.
and I play in Global server.
So many ragequits
I play a melee build the uses missiles to apply pressure and laser lance to kill lol if you try and fly above me I will assault boost to you and laser lance you in the chest. If you win its GGs
@@jadawngriffis3745 that, my friend, will be one hell of a match.
win or lose.
we ball.
@@MegaOS_Ver_NEET hell yeaaa
this guy likes lasers... like a lot I respect it
Luv me lazors
My BVO Build was great for running up to B Level 5. But i can’t break into A rank. My ass keeps getting handed to me by the same 3 builds.
Let me guess, tanks and lamma legs?
@@GloriousGEO Tanks with Lasers which are basically knock off Strike Freedoms, and Lamma legs that just chill the in sky. And also this build that uses the Raka Assault Rifle.
@@alexandrostheodorou8387 typical meta
BVO is half of A rank. I hope viento and tank legs are nerfed because you can't build a midweight that beats both
@@Baku69895I actually built a mid weight that does beat both, and also occasional missile rats. It's not impossible you just need to pull out your architect hat when making ACs and really get into the tiny details of piloting.
The blue and red lasers look really good together
Red vs blue heh
I can understand an honest build rage quitting on a busted build, on a hacker, even on a meta build like vientos... BUT A FUCKING RAT RAGE QUITING ON AN HONEST BUILD IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!
How badly can you SUCK to have a broken op build and still lose??? WTF
I know, right?
Good game, well played everyone. Let's hope they get it right next time with Armored Core VII, cause lord knows it ain't happening to this game in our lifetime.
What a sad state this game is in.
as soon as I saw you using AA in 3v3, x9nvinced me that you deserve all those disconnects and all those hackers
I never used assault armor in 3v3s.
Why are you mad at Assault Armor? It’s insanely useful, especially on aggressive builds
Asspained DCer
Imagine being mad about Assault Armor in 3v3
bruh. AA requires calculated timing and distance to effectively use it. tldr, needs skill. Especially if compared with TA. easy 5 secs invincibility. no skill needed.
I had too many fights where the enemy TA's pop 5 secs before timer runs out. At that moment, I already lost. Complete BS.
Like, I know the PvP in any recent Fromsoftware games (anything that came after Demon's Souls) is kind of an afterthought, and their main focus is always on creating a wonderful single player experience, but PvP in AC6 is just...outrageous. Not only did it has awful, if not outright horrible balance, the game mechanics are also outdated and dumb. Hell, even Halo 2 has better matchmaking session than whatever the hell AC6 has, and the former was from 2004!
If anyone is trying to have a good time with AC6 PvP, I'd recommend playing with your friends, or at least someone you know and can communicate with. Play with certain rules, like "You can have no more than 2 missile-type weapons on your ACs" or "At least have 1 melee weapon on your build". It makes the game more fun and engaging.
I agree completely. The most fun I had in AC6 PvP was playing with my discord members in custom matches.