I just shot Speer gold dot 140gr bullets at multiple charge and seating lengths with h4350. My largest group was .76 and smallest was .56 with a Tikka t3x.
It's a lead slug with a electroplated jacket. That's how the atomic bonding is done. It's the way Speer/CCI does all of their "FMJ" (really TMJ) bullets, even the ones they load into 22WMR.
The copper is actually electro plated onto lead bullets that are just under optimum diameter then finished in a final die for sizing. Totally bonded to the lead right down to the molecular level. I'm a big fan of Gold Dot revolver and pistol ammo.
RE 16 is a little hotter than H4350 from what I hear it's a hard to find re16 powder in the last couple years, but I think it's being more findable these days kinda like Fed match primers they finally hit the shelves
Any plans to test the Gold Dot 120 gr's in a 6.5 Grendel. I bought 2 boxes of the bullets and wanted to use Hodgdon H322 powder? I also have H335/CFE-223 and BL-C/2. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated? I would be reloading the Grendel in a AR and bolt action rifle. This is my first post so if I'm in the wrong area or doing something wrong just let me know
Kyle, I don't have the new Speer manual but on the website using 42.8 grains which is a compressed load of Reloader 16, the Gold Dot 140 grain bullets, in a 24" barrel the maximum load produces 2785 fps. You may have misspoken about getting 2939 fps. Would you be able to clarify your load and the fps? Thank you.
How are you getting that velocity? Speer's own data for that bullet shows a max at about 2785fps. My usage in a 22" barrel bolt action tends to agree with that, and usually a semi auto is slightly slower!
If I had been smart, that's where I would have stayed. In fact, that's my new load: 41.9 grains. I didn't have any issues at first, but on a hot day this load started piercing necks.
@@SocialRegressive RL 16 vs RL 26. Can u add more fps ? I understand 26 not as accurate 16. Seems maybe another 50 fps ? What you think. Great job thank for ur hard work brother.
dieselmakesmehappy not sure what he sees as a max for SD on his long range precision loads, but for ammo past 800 yards, I want me standard deviations to be at or below 5 for my loads, the lower the better.
First time I chronographed my load I got a SD of 5 on a 5 shot group. Second was 8. And it was my worste grouping ever. .85 @ 100. Yards. Using IMR 4451 I get .25 groups but a SD of 14 . I might retry a ladder with H4350 and new brass. I got a new scale too. I think the old one was off.
RE - LODER not RELOADER The name is Alliant Reloder 16 but everyone gets it wrong and even me when I first used some Reloder 12 to make some 7mm-08 match loads Never tried 16 but have tried 12 15 17 19 and 22 in various calibers and it worked real good
ross vanderpoel I’ve used both H4350 and RL16 for my 6.5CM, 260Rem, and 6.5x47Lap, while both gave me great accuracy and consistency, the RL16 was able to get me at least 100fps more velocity across the boards with max loads worked up in my rifles. And as we all know for long range shooting, if everything else is the same ie accuracy, consistency etc, I will take the higher velocity to help extend distances.
I'll second what tincan and jim say. RL16 seems to net higher velocities with relatively low pressures. From what I've seen, 4350 is very consistent, though.
R16 by far will give about 100 fps more velocity than H4350. My last lot of H4350 was actually 75fps slower than my other lot and actually varget was much faster and more precision. Had to abandon my last lot of H4350. R16 is where it's at.
You want faster than 2900 FPS out of a 140 gr 6.5cm? When he said that I was sold. Pushing 3000 FPS is very impressive numbers. I’m sure the gold dots reduced friction jacket helps some but it’s still good stuff. I need me a big ole jug of rl16 like the one he has! Great work! Thank you for sharing, keep the 6.5 cm stuff coming
Have you found the bc to be true? I’m having a hell of a time truing my solver up to the 168 grain in 308 and staying anywhere near claimed bc. I’ve chronographed the velocity so I don’t feel like my issue is the velocity. I’m finding I need to drop my bc from .572 to about .375 to line it up. Any input would be awesome to hear!
Keith Reinert .375 or so in my gun with my chrono’d velocity is getting me first round hits out to 800 yards. Maybe I’m doing something wrong but I don’t know it if I am. I switched bullets to Sierra gamechanger and am happy with them.
The Social Regressive Ok, that's weird. My 24 inches 1:10 stabilize 100/105 grs with no problems at all. For sure every barrels are differents. Regards from France.
1-8 twist for the 90 to 105 class bullets or 1-7.5 for the 115 gr bullets, but the 243 is a barrel burner in sorts, go for the 6xc it's easy to tune peterson brass is made in small primer pocket and very good brass, velocity is almost equal to 243 and barrel will last longer
@@Freezer003 the fusion has a cannelure and is closer to the deep-curl bullet they had for years ( traditional cup & core). The gold dot is molecularly BONDED. Different "critter" altogether.
@@preacherbiggin you're right the Fusion does have a cannelure, but all three bullets mentioned are bonded. It'd be interesting to get cross sections of each and see the differences in jacket taper.
@@Freezer003 I've got 2 boxes 120s & 140s coming ( be here next week) gonna test some from my grendel & creedmoor. Lord willing I'll let ya know how they do.
We’ve used it, as in my dad used it. Lol. He does most of our reloading and we’ve had really good luck with it. Helps reduce pressure signs and in turn increase muzzle velocity.
There's nothing new about gold dot bullets i been using them in my 6.5 for years and killed over 10 whitetails with them they're a great hunting bullet they fold animals up like a lawn chair 😊
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I just shot Speer gold dot 140gr bullets at multiple charge and seating lengths with h4350. My largest group was .76 and smallest was .56 with a Tikka t3x.
It's a lead slug with a electroplated jacket. That's how the atomic bonding is done. It's the way Speer/CCI does all of their "FMJ" (really TMJ) bullets, even the ones they load into 22WMR.
The copper is actually electro plated onto lead bullets that are just under optimum diameter then finished in a final die for sizing. Totally bonded to the lead right down to the molecular level. I'm a big fan of Gold Dot revolver and pistol ammo.
Thanks for the rundown! I can see why these cost more than your average bullet.
Thanks very informative, love all your videos
RE 16 is a little hotter than H4350 from what I hear it's a hard to find re16 powder in the last couple years, but I think it's being more findable these days kinda like Fed match primers they finally hit the shelves
I'd be interested to see a terminal comparison between these, the Sierra "game changer," and the hornady eldx...
I need ballistics gel.
Johnny's reloading bench has several videos testing these in gel
Blowing up gallon jugs of water recovered bullets were in the 130 to 133gr range, at both 100 and 200 yards from creedmoor, 2700 at muzzle
Kyle, try some RL26 under that 140 bthp. Around 45.5-46gr depending on brass will give good accuracy and speed. My 12fv gets 2850fps with no pressure
Just started using R16. Nice powder.
So far I see no reason to switch to anything else for 6.5 Creedmoor. I've tried a bunch of 140s, and a 147, and the results are just right.
Any plans to test the Gold Dot 120 gr's in a 6.5 Grendel. I bought 2 boxes of the bullets and wanted to use Hodgdon H322 powder? I also have H335/CFE-223 and BL-C/2.
Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated? I would be reloading the Grendel in a AR and bolt action rifle. This is my first post so if I'm in the wrong area or doing something wrong just let me know
Kyle, I don't have the new Speer manual but on the website using 42.8 grains which is a compressed load of Reloader 16, the Gold Dot 140 grain bullets, in a 24" barrel the maximum load produces 2785 fps. You may have misspoken about getting 2939 fps. Would you be able to clarify your load and the fps? Thank you.
How are you getting that velocity? Speer's own data for that bullet shows a max at about 2785fps. My usage in a 22" barrel bolt action tends to agree with that, and usually a semi auto is slightly slower!
If I had been smart, that's where I would have stayed. In fact, that's my new load: 41.9 grains. I didn't have any issues at first, but on a hot day this load started piercing necks.
@@SocialRegressive RL 16 vs RL 26. Can u add more fps ? I understand 26 not as accurate 16. Seems maybe another 50 fps ? What you think. Great job thank for ur hard work brother.
How consistent are this bullets? (Weight, OAL..)
What are your SD and ES numbers?
What would you say a maximum standard deviation would be for distances past 1000 yards?
dieselmakesmehappy not sure what he sees as a max for SD on his long range precision loads, but for ammo past 800 yards, I want me standard deviations to be at or below 5 for my loads, the lower the better.
I had some chrono issues last time out. I need to re-measure these.
First time I chronographed my load I got a SD of 5 on a 5 shot group. Second was 8. And it was my worste grouping ever. .85 @ 100. Yards. Using IMR 4451 I get .25 groups but a SD of 14 . I might retry a ladder with H4350 and new brass. I got a new scale too. I think the old one was off.
RE - LODER not RELOADER The name is Alliant Reloder 16 but everyone gets it wrong and even me when I first used some Reloder 12 to make some 7mm-08 match loads
Never tried 16 but have tried 12 15 17 19 and 22 in various calibers and it worked real good
It's still pronounced the same.
reroder rixteen ris ran rexrellrant rowder ror ru rifle lol good vid TSR
Where's the link to the optional charge weight??
optimalchargeweight.embarqspace.com/
This video showed up as "new" on 11/16 but I'm sure I saw it already. Did you re-post it?
same. I saw it already, didn't realize it until i heard him talking about long range hunting and i was like, where did I hear this before?
He said he accidentally released it last week before it was ready.
Thanks. I was confused.
Yup! I put the wrong release date. It always takes me a little while to tweak the keywords and writeup.
You don’t use h4350? Shooting a bolt rifle, I have loaded 140’s with RL16, RL17, Varget and H4350. H4350 seems to give me the best velocity. Cheers
Rl16 gives me an additional 100fps without blowing primers.
ross vanderpoel I’ve used both H4350 and RL16 for my 6.5CM, 260Rem, and 6.5x47Lap, while both gave me great accuracy and consistency, the RL16 was able to get me at least 100fps more velocity across the boards with max loads worked up in my rifles. And as we all know for long range shooting, if everything else is the same ie accuracy, consistency etc, I will take the higher velocity to help extend distances.
I'll second what tincan and jim say. RL16 seems to net higher velocities with relatively low pressures. From what I've seen, 4350 is very consistent, though.
R16 by far will give about 100 fps more velocity than H4350. My last lot of H4350 was actually 75fps slower than my other lot and actually varget was much faster and more precision. Had to abandon my last lot of H4350. R16 is where it's at.
You want faster than 2900 FPS out of a 140 gr 6.5cm? When he said that I was sold. Pushing 3000 FPS is very impressive numbers. I’m sure the gold dots reduced friction jacket helps some but it’s still good stuff. I need me a big ole jug of rl16 like the one he has!
Great work! Thank you for sharing, keep the 6.5 cm stuff coming
Have you found the bc to be true? I’m having a hell of a time truing my solver up to the 168 grain in 308 and staying anywhere near claimed bc. I’ve chronographed the velocity so I don’t feel like my issue is the velocity. I’m finding I need to drop my bc from .572 to about .375 to line it up. Any input would be awesome to hear!
I'll check sometime. I took these out two days ago, and they seemed pretty close. I haven't tried them at long range yet.
ktmkaratechips ever find out true bc?
Keith Reinert .375 or so in my gun with my chrono’d velocity is getting me first round hits out to 800 yards. Maybe I’m doing something wrong but I don’t know it if I am. I switched bullets to Sierra gamechanger and am happy with them.
Hello! What would be your advise for a 6mm(243) 100/105 grs bullets?
My .243 can't stabilize the heavy VLD bullets at all. I mostly shoot varmint rounds now. Someday I need to swap my barrel to a 1:8.
The Social Regressive Ok, that's weird. My 24 inches 1:10 stabilize 100/105 grs with no problems at all. For sure every barrels are differents.
Regards from France.
1-8 twist for the 90 to 105 class bullets or 1-7.5 for the 115 gr bullets, but the 243 is a barrel burner in sorts, go for the 6xc it's easy to tune peterson brass is made in small primer pocket and very good brass, velocity is almost equal to 243 and barrel will last longer
check and see what your Barrel twist is then decide which bullet is best for you
Is Speer going to produce the Gold Dot in 6.5Creedmoor ammo maid from these Bullets?I cant find any rifle ammo from Speer online as of yet?
They don't have any ammo yet, but I imagine they will eventually. Right now they're just selling the bullets.
Some reports say the Federal fusion is almost identical
@@Freezer003 the fusion has a cannelure and is closer to the deep-curl bullet they had for years ( traditional cup & core). The gold dot is molecularly BONDED. Different "critter" altogether.
@@preacherbiggin you're right the Fusion does have a cannelure, but all three bullets mentioned are bonded. It'd be interesting to get cross sections of each and see the differences in jacket taper.
@@Freezer003 I've got 2 boxes 120s & 140s coming ( be here next week) gonna test some from my grendel & creedmoor. Lord willing I'll let ya know how they do.
I'd like to try these in .308 for sure.
I had issues with Ramshot TAC loading these in .308. I'm trying Alliant 2000. It should work much better.
I'll get some to test in the future for sure. Probably give cfe223 and Varget a try. Were you having accuracy issues with the TAC? @@SocialRegressive
So far with Varget in my 308 I can barely get 1 moa at best. Hoping RL15 improves things.
Ocw test with RL15 today shot from 1 - .5 moa at 200 yards so things are looking up there.
@@SocialRegressive how did that turn out?
Have you ever tried moly coating your bullets.
I never have. It's a fine idea.
We’ve used it, as in my dad used it. Lol. He does most of our reloading and we’ve had really good luck with it. Helps reduce pressure signs and in turn increase muzzle velocity.
get a bigger cartridge,,,,,,with some velocity,,,,,,
6.5 prc...
There's nothing new about gold dot bullets i been using them in my 6.5 for years and killed over 10 whitetails with them they're a great hunting bullet they fold animals up like a lawn chair 😊