For people mentioning teutons very passionately. Yes teutons are good vs franks but usually what happens is this: Early game franks have slight lead and better eco. Mid game it evens out if franks dont get further ahead. Late gmae is hand canons halbs and bombard canon and both civs have a very even composition. Its a decent matchup but not a counter pick imo. Extra armor on knights in castle barely matters and paladin for either side is rarely an option in imp.
Saracens should also have had a place in Honourable mention being a great camel civ with good archer line along with mamelukes are one of the best counters to franks and they also get bombard canons
Yep! Saracens and Berbers have a lot of similar options for playing against Franks. Saracen camels have higher HP, while Berber camels are cheaper and regenerate HP with the UT. Saracens can field FU arbs. Their CA can get Parthian Tactics, but that's not as important. Saracens have access to all monastery techs. Berbers lack Block Printing and Sanctity.
There are some games where I wiped out Franks paladin with Mameluke/Heavy Camel combo. The tricky part is to reach that late game stage and to have enough gold for that action, but if you do, I can not even see some other civ even beating it.
I know that doesn't matter, but I actually love the composition of the footage that you're been using. Like the one in the start, it makes me feel so satisfied.
Amazing video, I love the relaxing vibes. Also, what do you think of saracens as an honorable mention? Fast up times with market abuse into powerful camels to deny knights, also the heavy CA option and BBC. Mameluke is also good against pikes kind of, and CA negate them entirely. Thoughts? -leicafleury
Absolutly agreed. Their eco might hold them back but option wise they are among the best civs to counter franks. I mean how could franks ever deal with elite mameluks?
Saracens are solid for sure but i honestly think they get out paced as the game goes on. U def have good chances early game though as u mentioned and late game options are amazing for them. Decent option for sure
Yeah they r not but in the lategame it doesnt make much difference anyway rgt since bracer is more important since u wont be fighting archers with ur skirms anyway.
Man all are expected but top 1 being Mongol is surprising, as Mongol is my favorite civ but lost multiple time to franks yolo knights... That's when Micro matters I guess lol
I was thinking of Tatars personally. The sheep bonus gives you that early game eco bonus and you have the smoothest possible transition into cav archers which Franks have trouble stopping thanks to free Thumb Ring, plus the option of camels if needed.
yeah very solid. ACtually ive noticed so many good civs out there to deal with franks which makes me wonder why they have such a high winrate...I think people dont klnow how to play vs them
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 In my experience. I have played against every civ many times, and the one thing I feel the Franks does better then anyone is having good units at my base followed up by a castle in my face, before I have massed enough to deal with it. I always die early against them. I should also add that i'm low elo, so this might not be the case in higher elo
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 I think it's about the implementation of the strategy! at lower levels at least, it is much easier to do a scouts -> knights build, than to do some scouts -> CAs or scouts -> Mangudai build! at least in my games vs. Franks (~1150 ELO), I've noticed that I just lose the early game scout fight, reach castle age later and then just get wrecked by 2+2/2+2 knights all up in my eco 11
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 As a guy who was stuck at 1K before deciding to main Franks and gaining 300 ELO in a couple of weeks, I think Franks are just too smooth. The free farm upgrades and essentially free Bloodlines make it so you can get knights out and still afford to mix in pikes or elite skirmishers in case the enemy has counter units and then they don't know what to do.
Mongol vs frank was easier a few patches ago before the mangudai speed reduction because you could hit and run less distance before firing but still very stronks
11:17 my first ever chat on Hera's Twitch was asking this very question! how to beat Mongols as Franks!! and you did mention that it's *very* hard and talked about this timing where one should get to Paladins before the Elite Mangudai are massed up!! so, I already knew the answer about who the #1 civ was going to be! :) :D all that being said, I find the Franks gameplay to be just so smooth that I've lost to them multiple times even after having a good civ advantage, like with Indians, Tatars, even Mongols 11 I think at my level (1100-1200), the Franks gameplay implementation is just smoother than that of any of their camel/cavalry archer counters!
A while ago Hera said he was stepping up the video quality and I was was like "What does that even mean really..." Apparently what it means is I'm watching every video now...
Great video Hera! I honestly thought Saracens would be number 1. On paper Mongols are really strong but with me Franks always pull ahead in eco in mid game when I'm heavy on stone trying to go for Mangudai. And then I'm losing stone desparately trying to repair castles in early Imperial 😭
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 inetresting, i was 120% confident ethiopians was in top 5 , im a low rated player around 1300 but i rarely lose against franks with ethiopians and i only play this civ
Lmao So I die to Mangudai a lot, get a coaching that recommends Franks till 1k7 elo, and my number one weakness is now...Mangudai xD But me beginner, me not understand, I'll just follow the advice and see how it plays out. Probably it's a post 1k7 elo thing and before that it's on me playing bad given the dynamic differences in everything at the 1k elo skill level
I want to suggest Burmese here as a dark horse. Cheap monk upgrades are fantastic vs knights, your elephants outscale them. If they try to go halberdier your halberdiers and champions are stronger, and you also have siege engineer bombard cannons. Even the Arambai can be strong versus throwing axemen. Burmese get flak for their archer civ matchups, but against a melee focused Civ like franks they are much stronger than people expect.
Decent, but not quite a counter pick. Franks have better bonuses, should get map control in feudal most of the time. Good Franks players will make ranges in early feudal and force Burmese to either match or go into skirms, which Burmese really want to avoid
By the way Turks might be the worst against Franks. A Frankish player with 150 elo less can defeat a Turkish player. If Frankish at least allow Turkish to mass some cav archers with sipahi and also some light cav, then it might help but Turks have a slow early game, Turks best units all be massed in late castle, Turks dont have halbs or elite skirmishers.
I thought Hindustanis were going to be at #1 with their impérial camels keeping paladins in check and hand cannins with +2 rangé dealing with halbs and axe throwers.
Tatars is a good counter pick to Franks too. Both CA and camels are fully upgraded and counter franks. It's almost like the Mongols but with fully upgraded camels, more tanky CA, and you don't have to make a castle.
how about the etheopians by now? with the armorincrease vs cav on their camels, really strong arbs and fully uped helbs they might counter them well as well, or dont they for some other reason?
I dont understand how people lose to cavalry civs, franks included, just MAA rush him, get supplies and overwhelm with infantry lol To me, archer civs are probably the hardest match ups to face
I actually do this with Goths vs Cavalry Civs. Double barrack, then one archery range and some Skirms when they try to make archers. Easy win, at my level, of course.
I hate to say it but MAA arent a solid option in feudal age. Archers so counter them to good. So the main options for feudal aggression are archers and scouts. MAA are only viable because you can create them in dark age and thus you can hit with them very early.
MAA rush is too slow for Franks 19 pop scout rush unless you have Celts or something. Even then if the scouts are out fast they shouldn't deal too much damage. That being said Franks have plenty of counter options so the winrate is weird imo
my guesses before watching: 1. gurjara, 2. hindustani, 3. mali, further considerations: saracens, chinese, byzantines, teutons, bohemians, spanish, ethiopeans, burmese i would not be to surprised if CA would be considered the answer to franks, which would make the list look very different
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 have just watched now. britons and maya seemed odd, since i see them more as anti-archer. mongols surprized me as well and i thought there would be easily another civ with a unit that franks have no answer to due to weak skirm. but e.g. cumans have their weak point in getting castle dropped while feudal booming and spanish, burmese have other weaknesses in early game
Question: what should I do as huns against berbers? Recently I had this matchup and I couldn’t think of anything. They have camal archer so cav archer is not that good, or at least I couldn’t make it work, they also have cheaper stable units. What strategy shoukd I try next time if I'm in this matchup as the huns?
It's a rough one. You lose late game, so you need to play to your strengths beforehand. Your two best powerspikes are as follows: 1/ early feudal (stables bonus, better early eco, Berbers only have the fast vils). Outmass scouts, add archers, don't think about clicking up, finish the game in feudal or at least force multiple towers. If Berbers has an open map and cannot fully wall, you can win. 2/ early castle age. If Berbers full walls and has towers, you have a window of opportunity to kill with 3/4 range CA. Canel archers require a castle and need time to mass. Sell stone, stay 1tc, add a SW forward and rams to smash castles, and don't bother with imp.
@@lbridet Yeah that sounds like a good idea, huns excel at agressive strats since t heyre stablees work faster and their ca are easier to mass, plus not needing to build houses makes it easier to focus on your army
Yep gotta finish early. Feudal age archers into crossbows and knights should be good enough if you win feudal, not convinced that 3/4 range cav archer is good. I would rather have more knights and monks, especially as gold collects fast. Also you can collect relics with the map control and castle drop. Try to harass their stones so they don't have good defensive options. You may need to take it to imp just to get trebs to kill but castle age feudal-castle age should be a long fight
@@JacobArvizu Japaneses has FU Arbalest and Cav Archer, These 2 units shred Throwing Axeman. Franks should try to finish Japaneses in early game. In late game, there is no civ that worse than Franks. Franks's power stems from early game eco bonuses.
I am surprised not seeing the bohemians in this list as to me, they have a counter to franck s composition in any situation with their good spears/pikes, chemistry xbow, monks and houfnice. I really do not see what franks can do in this matchup
Bohemians bonuses kicking up rather slow, Franks have better eco bonus that would have led to better feudal agression into faster castle time than Bohemians. Solid option but does not necessarily counter Franks, especially not after removal of discounted monastery.
Surprising.... No Saracens..?.. 🧐🧐.. Not even in honourable mentions..?.. I agree their early game is bland but quite a solid counter to any knight civ i think...but agree with top 5 here too... 👍👍❤
What do you think of going Mongol CA before or instead of Mangudai to mass easier? Is it an option or is it just better to go arbs if you want and easier to mass unit or want a smoother transition
Im curious. I was thinking about Slavs on number 1 (druzinha halba + super armored Boyards) why are they not even mentioned even in honorable mentions?
For the purpose of this Hindustanis and Gurjaras are kinda the same civ. The eco is good, the Camels are busted and they counter Halbs with Skirms/HC or their Unique unit. From the Archer civs I think Ethiopians might be even better than Britons. Higher DPS Xbows, free Pikeman make it way easier to beat Franks where they are strongest.
I really struggled on Arena to deal with Franks. I was Malians last game and went a little heavier in scouts (created 2 more) and got relic advantage bacause of that. My imp was a minute later than his but transitioned too late to arbs and he went axemen. Do you standard go arbs vs franks on Arena when that is an option? Any tips on how to handle that matchup?
One i really like against Franks is Khmer because i can get extra greedy because of the house garrisoning and get a super fast castle time and by then have knights faster than them. Then my eco kicks in and i just have to stay ahead keeping pressure, and if needed finish with 80 farms hussars (Hera's favorite 11) But i know this doesn't work as well at higher elos.
At lower Elo, microing Mangudai is very tricky. One look away and cavaliers surround your army and you can't run away.....Melee units are much easier to control at lower elo
No Hera. Teutons are Frank’s greatest counter CIV, Teutonic Knights beat the cav of Franks and the throwing axemen Deal no damage against them. Furthermore, Teutonic halbs get +2 armor which is insane.
Goths with 25-35% cheaper spears and halbs, and faster unit creation time means they can comfortably mass anti cavalry. Meanwhile mixing in man at arms for offence and skirms for anti archers. If Goths survive the early Scout and knight pressure, they will smash Franks.
@@boni6242 Hand Cannoneers seem like the best counter. Range and high damage. Plus the cheapness of swordsmen means they can be used as a meatshield while the HC do their work.
@@josephk.4200 i mean i think franks kinda roll this matchup with early bonuses. they can open with very aggro scout/archer and in castle age they should be at worst equal. and I'm not sure what u wanna do as goths against kts/xbow in castle. you just die in castle age no?
Dude are U joking?!? How could you not list teutons??? With an oppressive win rate of 58% they beat franks at 1650 elo+. In my opinion it is an easy first place for them. But Hera did neither include them in the top 5 or in the honorable mentions. He has a massiv blind spot there in my opinion.
Yea and Spanish. Conqs can deal with cav pretty good and Frank skirms are not the best. I think Franks can easily beat the Mongols with a heavy castle age push because while Frank's get free heavy plow mongols castle age is pretty generic and pikes and camels don't cut it specially if Frank's mix in his own pikes monks or cheap castle drops
I thought the same and was expecting Teutons and Berbers to be number 1 or 2, but maybe in super high elo it is not as simple as Do Teutonic Knights and GG, I guess Hand cannoneer + Paladin is better than Teutonic + Paladin
if you look at the pattern, he picked the civs that have a dark age bonus to compete with franks's strong start. Teutons definitely are a good pick vs franks imo, but i don't think they are better than the top 5 mentioned here
@@wensel1985 rushing TK definitly isnt the play at high elo. But even if franks go for their options there is nothing they can do better than teutons from Castle age onwards. Kinghts/paldains? Teutons knight line is better. Infantery? Dont even try. Siege? Teutons have better siege as well. Get an eco lead? Teuton bonus is stronger. Handcanoniers? Enjoy SO with ironglades and SE. The only option are the cheap castles and thats it. High elo or not franks get countered by teutons.
@@K1AoE yeah no dark age bonus but from late feudal age onwards teutons should have the eco lead. You usually make at least 15 farms before clicking up. That alone are 360 wood safed
what about saracens and thiere higher hp camels and mamlukes? since 1999 saraces was the officiall ftank paladin counter even before bloodlines was release... missing them even in the honorable mention is heartbreaking...
I guess you lack the dark / early feudal bonuses so you will be on the back foot. From mid castle age onward, if you know your way around market abuse, you are in a good spot though.
@@ashura1368 uh, no? The earliest you can put down market is at feudal, and you have to trade res and you still haven't made a single unit yet. How does that counter an early rush?
For people mentioning teutons very passionately. Yes teutons are good vs franks but usually what happens is this:
Early game franks have slight lead and better eco.
Mid game it evens out if franks dont get further ahead.
Late gmae is hand canons halbs and bombard canon and both civs have a very even composition.
Its a decent matchup but not a counter pick imo. Extra armor on knights in castle barely matters and paladin for either side is rarely an option in imp.
Thanks for mentioning it
Britons counter Franks...
Joan Of Arc: "you sure of that?"
And Franks is the civilisation with the highest winrate against Britons !
"Longbowmen are powerful but Bombard Canons are better."
Yeah that hint from the campaign was b.s.
the easiest way to reduce that 55% winrate to 50% is to pick franks yourself
Saracens should also have had a place in Honourable mention being a great camel civ with good archer line along with mamelukes are one of the best counters to franks and they also get bombard canons
Yep! Saracens and Berbers have a lot of similar options for playing against Franks.
Saracen camels have higher HP, while Berber camels are cheaper and regenerate HP with the UT.
Saracens can field FU arbs. Their CA can get Parthian Tactics, but that's not as important.
Saracens have access to all monastery techs. Berbers lack Block Printing and Sanctity.
There are some games where I wiped out Franks paladin with Mameluke/Heavy Camel combo. The tricky part is to reach that late game stage and to have enough gold for that action, but if you do, I can not even see some other civ even beating it.
I find it so ironic that you posted a video on how to counter franks a 14th of july (its the national day here in France x))
I know that doesn't matter, but I actually love the composition of the footage that you're been using.
Like the one in the start, it makes me feel so satisfied.
Shout out to my editor glad u like it bro
Amazing video, I love the relaxing vibes. Also, what do you think of saracens as an honorable mention? Fast up times with market abuse into powerful camels to deny knights, also the heavy CA option and BBC. Mameluke is also good against pikes kind of, and CA negate them entirely. Thoughts? -leicafleury
Absolutly agreed. Their eco might hold them back but option wise they are among the best civs to counter franks.
I mean how could franks ever deal with elite mameluks?
I think they fell out because no early game eco bonus - Im sure they managed to get into the top 10 tho :)
@@markusdegenhardt8678 You're right, but you assume the game goes that late - castle age. Franks get their bonus in feudal age already
@@yohanbeck8172 as i said their eco sadly holds them back
Saracens are solid for sure but i honestly think they get out paced as the game goes on. U def have good chances early game though as u mentioned and late game options are amazing for them. Decent option for sure
Correction: Gurjara Skirmishers are not fully upgraded as they're missing ring archer armor.
thanks and my bad
Yeah they r not but in the lategame it doesnt make much difference anyway rgt since bracer is more important since u wont be fighting archers with ur skirms anyway.
Yes, they have Shrivamshas so it really doesn't matter
@@TheRomanAoE yeah that too tho i meant in the lategame main purpose of skirmisher is to counter halbs so the armour isnt that big if an issue
My 800 elo ass after losing to Franks as Mongols: ladder anxiety intensifies
In this video:
"How to beat a top five civ: play another top five civ."
Man all are expected but top 1 being Mongol is surprising, as Mongol is my favorite civ but lost multiple time to franks yolo knights... That's when Micro matters I guess lol
I'm pretty sure Franks have a favorable match up against Britons and Mongols up until 1500 ELO or something
@@meninbike1602 Make sense, so to be more precise the ELO matters loool
I was thinking of Tatars personally. The sheep bonus gives you that early game eco bonus and you have the smoothest possible transition into cav archers which Franks have trouble stopping thanks to free Thumb Ring, plus the option of camels if needed.
yeah very solid. ACtually ive noticed so many good civs out there to deal with franks which makes me wonder why they have such a high winrate...I think people dont klnow how to play vs them
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 In my experience. I have played against every civ many times, and the one thing I feel the Franks does better then anyone is having good units at my base followed up by a castle in my face, before I have massed enough to deal with it. I always die early against them. I should also add that i'm low elo, so this might not be the case in higher elo
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 I think it's about the implementation of the strategy! at lower levels at least, it is much easier to do a scouts -> knights build, than to do some scouts -> CAs or scouts -> Mangudai build! at least in my games vs. Franks (~1150 ELO), I've noticed that I just lose the early game scout fight, reach castle age later and then just get wrecked by 2+2/2+2 knights all up in my eco 11
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 As a guy who was stuck at 1K before deciding to main Franks and gaining 300 ELO in a couple of weeks, I think Franks are just too smooth. The free farm upgrades and essentially free Bloodlines make it so you can get knights out and still afford to mix in pikes or elite skirmishers in case the enemy has counter units and then they don't know what to do.
Mongol vs frank was easier a few patches ago before the mangudai speed reduction because you could hit and run less distance before firing but still very stronks
Yeah, they used to have a base speed of 1.45 tiles vs 1.4 after the change. Basically in line with other similar cav archer units.
11:17 my first ever chat on Hera's Twitch was asking this very question! how to beat Mongols as Franks!! and you did mention that it's *very* hard and talked about this timing where one should get to Paladins before the Elite Mangudai are massed up!! so, I already knew the answer about who the #1 civ was going to be! :) :D
all that being said, I find the Franks gameplay to be just so smooth that I've lost to them multiple times even after having a good civ advantage, like with Indians, Tatars, even Mongols 11
I think at my level (1100-1200), the Franks gameplay implementation is just smoother than that of any of their camel/cavalry archer counters!
A while ago Hera said he was stepping up the video quality and I was was like "What does that even mean really..."
Apparently what it means is I'm watching every video now...
Great video Hera! I honestly thought Saracens would be number 1. On paper Mongols are really strong but with me Franks always pull ahead in eco in mid game when I'm heavy on stone trying to go for Mangudai. And then I'm losing stone desparately trying to repair castles in early Imperial 😭
Thats actually the biggest weakness yeah, but for me the mongol gameplan is simply the best overall
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 inetresting, i was 120% confident ethiopians was in top 5 , im a low rated player around 1300 but i rarely lose against franks with ethiopians and i only play this civ
@@philippedemay6026 ethi are very solid too, brits are the better version in thgat matchup though imo
Great analysis. Can you please make a video on 5 civs that can counter Hindustanis as well???
Saracens could also be a good option
Lmao
So I die to Mangudai a lot, get a coaching that recommends Franks till 1k7 elo, and my number one weakness is now...Mangudai xD
But me beginner, me not understand, I'll just follow the advice and see how it plays out. Probably it's a post 1k7 elo thing and before that it's on me playing bad given the dynamic differences in everything at the 1k elo skill level
I want to suggest Burmese here as a dark horse. Cheap monk upgrades are fantastic vs knights, your elephants outscale them. If they try to go halberdier your halberdiers and champions are stronger, and you also have siege engineer bombard cannons. Even the Arambai can be strong versus throwing axemen. Burmese get flak for their archer civ matchups, but against a melee focused Civ like franks they are much stronger than people expect.
Burmese! Top notch Priests, a good pikemen attack buff and bulky elephants!
Decent, but not quite a counter pick. Franks have better bonuses, should get map control in feudal most of the time. Good Franks players will make ranges in early feudal and force Burmese to either match or go into skirms, which Burmese really want to avoid
Versus a strong Burmese player like survivalist, franks will have very few options
Britons being one of the best Frank counters...
*Rule Britannia intensifies*
I am a bit surprised that Saracens did not make it to at least honorable mentions.. but I trust your picks Hera :)
so cool you uploaded this today i was just looking for a vid like this
Surprised there's no mention of monks in this video
The patrol clips in this vid are op for holding my attention.
franks are so 2021. we need a "top 5 counter gurjaras"
Britons, Ethiopians, Japanese, Vietnamese, Koreans. Basically every halb+arbalest civ.
Man I thought burmese was a good option
By the way Turks might be the worst against Franks. A Frankish player with 150 elo less can defeat a Turkish player.
If Frankish at least allow Turkish to mass some cav archers with sipahi and also some light cav, then it might help but
Turks have a slow early game, Turks best units all be massed in late castle, Turks dont have halbs or elite skirmishers.
Teutons, tanker paladins, tanky infantry, Teutonic Knights, tanky siege, comparative farming bonuses, comparative castle advantages.
I thought Hindustanis were going to be at #1 with their impérial camels keeping paladins in check and hand cannins with +2 rangé dealing with halbs and axe throwers.
We need top 5 gurjaras counters
Tatars is a good counter pick to Franks too. Both CA and camels are fully upgraded and counter franks. It's almost like the Mongols but with fully upgraded camels, more tanky CA, and you don't have to make a castle.
1, I think he knows it now 11
@@kudoushinichi1412 11 I hope that comment didn't give Tatoh ideas for red bull.
A good player with franks is a civ I struggle with ..
doesn’t take much to be a good player against me tho haha
750 rating
how about the etheopians by now? with the armorincrease vs cav on their camels, really strong arbs and fully uped helbs they might counter them well as well, or dont they for some other reason?
yeah man i went italian vs briton on hideout, they fucked up my bombard canons and had a much better lategame against my bippity boppity
In low elo Gurjaras
Let me guess, the Italians have a slow start to be viable, right?
Also, are TA a good counter against Camels?
Slow start, and its not that easy to get into genoese crossbowmen in a 1v1. Not impossible, but gives your opp a lot of time to do damage
Yeah and genoese are much better on paper than in practice
I dont understand how people lose to cavalry civs, franks included, just MAA rush him, get supplies and overwhelm with infantry lol
To me, archer civs are probably the hardest match ups to face
I actually do this with Goths vs Cavalry Civs. Double barrack, then one archery range and some Skirms when they try to make archers. Easy win, at my level, of course.
Cav Players can also Open Range, or add a Range if you go infantry.
I hate to say it but MAA arent a solid option in feudal age. Archers so counter them to good. So the main options for feudal aggression are archers and scouts. MAA are only viable because you can create them in dark age and thus you can hit with them very early.
MAA rush is too slow for Franks 19 pop scout rush unless you have Celts or something. Even then if the scouts are out fast they shouldn't deal too much damage. That being said Franks have plenty of counter options so the winrate is weird imo
I think Hera pronounces "Shwarma Riders" wrong
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How about Ethiopians? They got halb, faster firing arbs, and awesome siege options
my guesses before watching: 1. gurjara, 2. hindustani, 3. mali, further considerations: saracens, chinese, byzantines, teutons, bohemians, spanish, ethiopeans, burmese
i would not be to surprised if CA would be considered the answer to franks, which would make the list look very different
great guesses, only malians imo would be misplaced rest are fine
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 have just watched now. britons and maya seemed odd, since i see them more as anti-archer.
mongols surprized me as well and i thought there would be easily another civ with a unit that franks have no answer to due to weak skirm. but e.g. cumans have their weak point in getting castle dropped while feudal booming and spanish, burmese have other weaknesses in early game
I admit, did not see spot 1 coming, you actually kept me at the edge of my seat there! :D
Question: what should I do as huns against berbers? Recently I had this matchup and I couldn’t think of anything. They have camal archer so cav archer is not that good, or at least I couldn’t make it work, they also have cheaper stable units. What strategy shoukd I try next time if I'm in this matchup as the huns?
Thats the reason why Hunts have one of the fewest win rates against Berbers..
It's a rough one. You lose late game, so you need to play to your strengths beforehand. Your two best powerspikes are as follows:
1/ early feudal (stables bonus, better early eco, Berbers only have the fast vils). Outmass scouts, add archers, don't think about clicking up, finish the game in feudal or at least force multiple towers. If Berbers has an open map and cannot fully wall, you can win.
2/ early castle age. If Berbers full walls and has towers, you have a window of opportunity to kill with 3/4 range CA. Canel archers require a castle and need time to mass. Sell stone, stay 1tc, add a SW forward and rams to smash castles, and don't bother with imp.
@@lbridet Yeah that sounds like a good idea, huns excel at agressive strats since t heyre stablees work faster and their ca are easier to mass, plus not needing to build houses makes it easier to focus on your army
Yep gotta finish early. Feudal age archers into crossbows and knights should be good enough if you win feudal, not convinced that 3/4 range cav archer is good. I would rather have more knights and monks, especially as gold collects fast. Also you can collect relics with the map control and castle drop. Try to harass their stones so they don't have good defensive options. You may need to take it to imp just to get trebs to kill but castle age feudal-castle age should be a long fight
According to stats, it seems Gurjaras, Malians, Teutons and Romans are good counters.
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Question from a noob player. Wouldn’t Japanese be a good counter too? They have solid early game and the strongest halbs if I’m not mistaken.
can be good too its true
but if u are a noob, u can take any civ, if u play it cleaner than ur opponent u win, even with franks against gurjara
Throwing Axeman will counter the Halbs and they don't have a great answer for that.
@@JacobArvizu Japaneses has FU Arbalest and Cav Archer, These 2 units shred Throwing Axeman. Franks should try to finish Japaneses in early game. In late game, there is no civ that worse than Franks. Franks's power stems from early game eco bonuses.
I want the opposite video: how to beat franks with the bottom 5 match ups
Mamelukes ruin Franks too. Thanks for the video!
Can you make one of this but for countering hindustanis?
#1 Civ to Counter Franks............................................... FRANKS
Not the answer I expected but definitely the one I hoped for.
I am surprised not seeing the bohemians in this list as to me, they have a counter to franck s composition in any situation with their good spears/pikes, chemistry xbow, monks and houfnice. I really do not see what franks can do in this matchup
Bohemians bonuses kicking up rather slow, Franks have better eco bonus that would have led to better feudal agression into faster castle time than Bohemians. Solid option but does not necessarily counter Franks, especially not after removal of discounted monastery.
Surprising.... No Saracens..?.. 🧐🧐.. Not even in honourable mentions..?.. I agree their early game is bland but quite a solid counter to any knight civ i think...but agree with top 5 here too... 👍👍❤
What do you think of going Mongol CA before or instead of Mangudai to mass easier? Is it an option or is it just better to go arbs if you want and easier to mass unit or want a smoother transition
Mirror matchup. Who wins. Got em
Im curious. I was thinking about Slavs on number 1 (druzinha halba + super armored Boyards) why are they not even mentioned even in honorable mentions?
I would have mentionned Italians, they do pretty well imo
For the purpose of this Hindustanis and Gurjaras are kinda the same civ. The eco is good, the Camels are busted and they counter Halbs with Skirms/HC or their Unique unit.
From the Archer civs I think Ethiopians might be even better than Britons. Higher DPS Xbows, free Pikeman make it way easier to beat Franks where they are strongest.
Only reason i disagree with ethi is that they can be weaker to siege push but overall they are aolid too
Question:why no teutons with extra armor
teutons are quite decent but justa bit slow early game
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 ok thanks bro
Yeah the new civs really converted all the Frank pickers into Hindustani pickers.
I disagree with Britons. Franks is the civilization with the highest winrate against them.
Hera doesn't go off statistics, he goes off his own exp. There are existing things people can do better. That's the point of the vid.
I really struggled on Arena to deal with Franks. I was Malians last game and went a little heavier in scouts (created 2 more) and got relic advantage bacause of that. My imp was a minute later than his but transitioned too late to arbs and he went axemen. Do you standard go arbs vs franks on Arena when that is an option? Any tips on how to handle that matchup?
I was thinking Aztecs could get a mention with really good economy and monks to take on knights in castle age. Though monk micro is not for everyone.
But no halb
Yay educational content from Hera! My crippling depression will be 15% weaker for the next 10 minutes
Can you do it for persians?
I thought you stop age of empire
I hate fighting the mongols as the franks, but I think I would put Hindustanis #1.
One i really like against Franks is Khmer because i can get extra greedy because of the house garrisoning and get a super fast castle time and by then have knights faster than them. Then my eco kicks in and i just have to stay ahead keeping pressure, and if needed finish with 80 farms hussars (Hera's favorite 11)
But i know this doesn't work as well at higher elos.
Where are franks from???
At lower Elo, microing Mangudai is very tricky. One look away and cavaliers surround your army and you can't run away.....Melee units are much easier to control at lower elo
ya, im terrible at micro or maybe if im ok at micro my macro suffers. in any case all cav archer play is not for me
Too bad u can't see your opponents civ in ranked games!
So this I can basically only apply this information in tournaments?
No mentioned of Saracens when you melt paladin with Mameluke
Too expensive.
Saracen camels are beastly with Zealotry, no need for mamelukes usually
@@genghis_aoe more fun when you can one shot paladin with Mameluke 😅
Just okay aoe4
No Huns?
I dont agree with britons being one of the top 5 counter civ. They dont even have thumbring. Its literaly doesnt matter that much about range
the range just helps u not die to mangonels in castle age and not die to skirms at all
Monk civs where?
Slavs/Burmese?
niceeeeeeeee
Oh no, what should I do now...
No Hera. Teutons are Frank’s greatest counter CIV, Teutonic Knights beat the cav of Franks and the throwing axemen Deal no damage against them. Furthermore, Teutonic halbs get +2 armor which is insane.
Franks can still go xbow in castle age
hand cannoneer exist and franks have them
Yes but the Franks scout rush is just to strong...
Video uploaded on July 14th
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True! Great timing
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tatars and huns? :(
sarracens is the best lmao
Great video! 👍
Japanese didn't even make the honourable mentions ...? 🤷🏼
Goths with 25-35% cheaper spears and halbs, and faster unit creation time means they can comfortably mass anti cavalry. Meanwhile mixing in man at arms for offence and skirms for anti archers.
If Goths survive the early Scout and knight pressure, they will smash Franks.
goths dont have a solid answer to throwing axeman imo
@@boni6242 Hand Cannoneers seem like the best counter. Range and high damage.
Plus the cheapness of swordsmen means they can be used as a meatshield while the HC do their work.
@@josephk.4200 hand canons are imp. axemans are castle
@@boni6242 Crossbows. No thumb ring but they still work.
@@josephk.4200 i mean i think franks kinda roll this matchup with early bonuses. they can open with very aggro scout/archer and in castle age they should be at worst equal. and I'm not sure what u wanna do as goths against kts/xbow in castle. you just die in castle age no?
I like the better video Quality WQHD :) next step 4K :P
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Dude are U joking?!?
How could you not list teutons???
With an oppressive win rate of 58% they beat franks at 1650 elo+.
In my opinion it is an easy first place for them. But Hera did neither include them in the top 5 or in the honorable mentions.
He has a massiv blind spot there in my opinion.
Yea and Spanish. Conqs can deal with cav pretty good and Frank skirms are not the best. I think Franks can easily beat the Mongols with a heavy castle age push because while Frank's get free heavy plow mongols castle age is pretty generic and pikes and camels don't cut it specially if Frank's mix in his own pikes monks or cheap castle drops
I thought the same and was expecting Teutons and Berbers to be number 1 or 2, but maybe in super high elo it is not as simple as Do Teutonic Knights and GG, I guess Hand cannoneer + Paladin is better than Teutonic + Paladin
if you look at the pattern, he picked the civs that have a dark age bonus to compete with franks's strong start. Teutons definitely are a good pick vs franks imo, but i don't think they are better than the top 5 mentioned here
@@wensel1985 rushing TK definitly isnt the play at high elo. But even if franks go for their options there is nothing they can do better than teutons from Castle age onwards. Kinghts/paldains? Teutons knight line is better.
Infantery? Dont even try.
Siege? Teutons have better siege as well.
Get an eco lead? Teuton bonus is stronger.
Handcanoniers? Enjoy SO with ironglades and SE.
The only option are the cheap castles and thats it.
High elo or not franks get countered by teutons.
@@K1AoE yeah no dark age bonus but from late feudal age onwards teutons should have the eco lead.
You usually make at least 15 farms before clicking up. That alone are 360 wood safed
what about saracens and thiere higher hp camels and mamlukes? since 1999 saraces was the officiall ftank paladin counter even before bloodlines was release... missing them even in the honorable mention is heartbreaking...
I guess you lack the dark / early feudal bonuses so you will be on the back foot. From mid castle age onward, if you know your way around market abuse, you are in a good spot though.
@@lbridet another reason is that saracen market underrated is that it can counter early rushes
@@ashura1368 uh, no? The earliest you can put down market is at feudal, and you have to trade res and you still haven't made a single unit yet. How does that counter an early rush?
@@lbridet first 200-300 stone mining give higher gold value than colecting any other resorce
edit: by early rushes i mean fudal rushes and raidings
I think Ethiopians are pretty good against Franks
dude inca must be no 6
Aztec is top 5
how about malians? I have played this matchup and farimba is a thing :) 14 attack camels
Best counter against franks are franks 11
But seriously why not japanese, they have an amazing m@a rush and a very strong halb + arbs/Ca play
6th
Good video. Franks are nightmare. I like to play with Teutons against Franks because they are easier to play.