For more on the Civil War and reconstruction, I'd highly recommend this lecture series from a Yale Professor: th-cam.com/video/QXXp1bHd6gI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=YaleCourses My information about the Nazis and antiquity came from the book: Greeks, Romans, Germans: How the Nazis Usurped Europe's Classical Past
I do love the way PragerU argues you can't judge Columbus because you have to consider his culture, but then also judges all the cultures that he enslaves and discusses how they really benefited from having their culture entirely forcibly reoriented around a religion they didn't ask for.
Well you have to admit that these natives killed each other because of their misguided religions. Unlike Europeans who killed each other over the right religion.
It's also telling how even at the time the man was a fucking abhorrent monster. He stole and destroyed unimaginable hoards of wealth for his own interest, and for that the church excommunicated him, he was stripped of authority, and replaced with similarly avaricious, if not as wrathful, men.
@@Chillerll Oh of course - I mean you gotta kill people for Judeo-Christian values. Which if I recall correctly was properly practiced by blaming the Judeo- portion for killing Jesus and orienting Europe's political power around Rome, even though it was the Romans who actually did the deed and Jesus was part of that Judeo portion of the population. That's the right religion in action! Very important to share that around.
AND I guarantee there are videos on Prager U that complain about cultural relativism, how the libs tell them they can't judge child marriages or the way women are treated in Islam due to their culture (that is such a common strawman used by the right to argue that people on the left have no morals)
And both were optional. You didn't have to enslave or kill people. PragerU wrote that line, they approved it and recorded it for children. Did they understand that at all, was that the best they could do?
A gladiator choked himself with a Jupiter-damn toilet sponge to get out of being a gladiator. If that doesn't say slavery can be worse than death I don't know what does
I don't understand how conservative channels like PragerU can simultaneously hold beliefs like "give me liberty or give me death" in the context of the American Revolution but "slavery, forced religious conversation, and torture aren't as bad as death lol" when it comes to the Taino/other native peoples.
I would bet money they say "give me liberty or give me death" when discussing a slave-owning founding father in another video, though I don't want to check.
The argument "people didn't know slavery was bad back then" always falls apart when you, even for a second, consider that the slaves were people and PROBABLY knew slavery was bad!
That isn't a very good argument. Slavers wouldn't enjoy being enslaved either. Just because you don't like it when something bad is done to you doesn't mean you oppose that bad thing _on principle._ No, the real argument is that we have written accounts from throughout human history of people who understood that slavery is abhorrent on principle. There was never a time when people couldn't figure that out.
I’m just so struck by the one-two combo of: “We stopped these people from committing cannibalism because it’s bad!! BUT YOU CAN’T JUDGE ME FOR ENSLAVING PEOPLE BECAUSE OUR MORALS ARE DIFFERENT.” Like the hypocrisy isn’t even hidden.
I always find it kind of extra nonsensical when Catholics (i.e. Christopher Columbus was Catholic) use cannibalism as an excuse for genocide and/or slavery considering the doctrine of transubstantiation ("bread becomes flesh, wine becomes blood of Jesus"), but besides that, you never see people only enslaving whom they find guilty of cannibalism; like if some priests in a society do some cannibalism in some religious ritual or whatever, why does the whole society's population become enslaved/killed besides the just priests? It is revealing.
The Right must be really dependent on fundamentalist homeschooling to keep producing people that are ignorant enough to swallow this bilge without asking questions.
But ofc, as Joel alludes to, Columbus would never have said anything of the sort. He would have said "I'm sad to see that the morality of the future has become so degenerate." Obviously, he thought he was morally justified, and would be as baffled as a pillow salesman by the idea that our morals are "different".
Furthermore, we have plenty of documents from the time: there were a lot of people in Europe calling out what Columbus & co. were doing in the Americas as “immoral”, including in the catholic church…
@@angygremlin4423 but you see it’s okay for powerful straight white men to commit violence for political power-no one else unless to help those white men
there's only good or bad, unless we tell you otherwise, in which case it's an entirely artificial grey area designed to obfuscate the fact that we liked it better with less human rights, but we can't say that, because bad cancel culture
Cannibalism and human sacrifice is especially bad when the people that were enslaved and murdered in this example never actually practiced either. Like the Taino, who were the first victims of Columbus and the later Spanish Viceroys.
'Morality is objective; good is always good, evil is always evil!' 'Slavery is evil' 'Hang on a minute, you've got to look at it in context. It's bad now, but it was ok back then. It all comes down to the subjectivity of society at any given time in history. Hope that clears things up'
The thing I love is that Columbus WAS a controversial figure of the time. He was even arrested for his actions. But people constantly go to bat for him like he was even the first European to discover America. He didn’t even land in the America that PragerU likes!
Right. The natives were the discoverers of the Americas, and that famous band of Vikings arrived at North America around 500 years before Columbus did.
@@micahcook2408 Since I just heared about this recently - Like the rich people of Europe BUYING corpses/mummies in Eqypt and eating them (or more like a powder they made out of them)
Columbus: Native Americans practiced human sacrifice, so destroying their cultures was justified. Columbus, not 60 seconds later: Slavery and murder were just part of my culture, don't judge me for it.
Don't forget Columbus was condemned by the church because his actions were considered to be vile even by their standards. Even during his time he was seen a shitty person.
Also the people that Columbus (and later Spanish authorities) brutalized and enslaved the most, the Taino, never practiced human sacrifice. In fact it was their aversion to conflict and willingness to compromise that made the Spanish think they would be ideal slaves. Now the other big culture in the region, the Caribs, were alleged to have been cannibals, though it is to this day disputed if and to what degree this was true. It is suspicious that neither the English nor French accused the Caribs of widespread cannibalism during their later wars with them, only the Spanish did so. As far back as the 18th century scientist Alexander von Humboldt accused earlier Spanish reports of being total fabrication. But it is considered to be plausible that there was some ritualized cannibalism of captives, something also practiced by Europeans, just in another form. Look up what happened to the bodies of people who were executed in Europe during the Early Modern Period, it's...not pretty. Medical cannibalism is a thing. It's pretty disturbing how much people used to be into comsuming pieces of other people. In fact, if we spread it to the later US, cannibalism or human sacrifice were almost unheard of among the indigenous North American cultures. Meanwhile the Spanish and the early English colonists publicly killed people for the explicit reason of appeasing God and in the case of the Salem hysteria, to improve their fortunes after devastating war and famine. Is this not a practice of human sacrifice? You could even argue that Lynching is a form of human sacrifice, I certainly am. Some random minority is grabbed off the street, sans legal conviction of a crime. Then the entire community comes together with their families to gleefully watch as the victim is brutally murdered, all while the audience is cheering, eating, singing and praising God. Afterwards the body of the victim is mutilated, with trophies being taken home by the attendants. As far as I'm concerned such a crime is absolutely ritual human sacrifice and would be called such if the culprits weren't WASPs. If we accept this, then the barbaric American Southerner practiced human sacrifices until at least the 1950s (that we know of). But you would rightfully be called crazy if you said that "they commit human sacrifice" about every person of European descent living in North America at that time. Now, does this particular savage tribe known as "The South" deserve to be enslaved, colonized or forcefully converted away from their violent culture and beastly cult that includes human sacrifice? I mean that last part objectively yes, but the people funding Prager would have you disappeared if you were a public figure expressing that.
@@sherlocksmuuug6692 I'll go one further and postulate that capital punishment is a form of human sacrifice to appease the "god" of retribution for the public. Whatever reasons or rituals are used to justify murder within a society, the end result is the same. At the end of the day, the Spanish tried to justify considerably more murder of natives than the natives ever did.
@@sherlocksmuuug6692 Very few Native Americans (and Aztecs/Mayans) performed human sacrifice, it was an ancient tradition that was rapidly dying out. Many tribes never did it.
He was literally told not to enslave ppl by Queen Isabella bc they should have the same rights as Spaniards, so this excuse doesn’t even work Even the country that backed him (or at least parts of it… idk I’m rusty on my history) didn’t agree with the practices he put into place And Columbus was a dumbass anyways, not that I’d expect all the much intelligence from someone who fucked a llama and gave humanity syphilis. Idk why America ever decided he was some national hero
The thing that gets me with the Columbus one is that the man WAS criticized for his time. Like, he WAS judged based on his own culture's principles. Like...c'mon.
Conservatives do this about everything they try to whitewash, and what you're saying is almost always true. There's some idea that the concept of justice was invented recently, but people who were historically pieces of shit, were known at the time to be pieces of shit, and there have always been people at any time in history that knew that shit like slavery was wrong, the same way that today we know that a lot of shit that people in power do frequently is wrong.
@@GiordanDiodato don't understand why people like Prager go to bat for a guy that not only was seen as worse than the og torturers but that has almost nothing to do with US history.
I’m Steve Serialkiller and I can confirm. My family has held the patent on serial killing since we invented it twenty years ago (once it stopped being “the past” and so bad things could start to exist)
that's a cute strawman. the argument would be more like, ''when serial killing was normal, my client engaged in it and therefore doesn't deserve to be singled out. some of my clients were early adopters of 'anti' serial killing and successfully enacted reforms before most others. therefore, condemning my clientele as especially villainous would be unjust.'' - I'm not saying that is an amazing argument, just that if you want to engage with peoples arguments, then engage with their arguments - not mischaracterizations that are easy to dunk on.
An ironic quote from Patrick Henry, a Virginian slave owner. Out of all of the United States' founders, only a few never owned slaves: John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, Roger Sherman, and Thomas Paine.
@@debeb5148 Heres thought... they lost a war so slavery is okay.. because in losing a war the other option is death. if not slavery or servitutde/ submission to the attacking nation.
the idea that no one had a problem with slavery is hilarious cuz who ended slavery then? they all thought it was really cool but decided it was cringe one day for no reason I guess
Conservatives: we are morally upright people that believe in freedom. Also conservatives: colonialism and imperialism were actually really good for the people that got colonized. Just look at all the civic improvements that Leopold II made in the Congo region.
My reaction was more “what people are you saying columbus helped and civilized?He killed such an obscene number of people that if anything the civilization was irrevocably destroyed, considering so much of the society was killed off”
He wasn't even that tbh. At the time, he would probably identify as Genoan, as Italian identity came to life around the time Napoleon had conqueredb the peninsula.
I think the worst part about prageru kids might be that youtube ACTUALLY recognizes it as a kids channel. This means that it appears more readily when children are using the "kids" option on youtube, and the kids' categorization disables comments, which means there is no way to fact check or dispute these videos where the video is shown....
Yeah PragerU is actually extremely dangerous. According to one of their polls, half their audience is under 25. They could be fabricating the stats, but if that’s true, they’re making a deliberate effort to conservative Gen Z
To piggyback off this point, it shouldn’t be legal for this ghoulish propaganda organization to masquerade as an educational institution with the Prager”U”
The whole "moral standard" argument with Columbus is irrelevant when the King and Queen of Spain explicitly told him not to treat the natives horribly and to leave them relatively alone, and they were horrified when they found out. They even punished him and stripped him of his titles because of his mistreatment, and in his life he never believed he found America and insisted he had reached Asia.
It's no different than police chiefs scapegoating their officers today, they sent him to do their dirty work and then threw him under the bus after to save face
How can they dare compare owning, overworking, sexually and financially abusing, and educationally neglecting a race of people to cheating in a chess game?
Since you "cheat to win", it actually sounds like the problem here isn't even that slavery is bad, but that it's economically unfair that some people "get to own slaves" while others don't.
It's called an analogy. The point is that cheaters did a bad thing, and slave owners did a bad thing. The question PU is asking is: how should we reconcile with people who do bad things? Analogies are never ever perfectly 1:1 comparisons. The point is to take the important mechanics underlying a topic, and find another topic which shares those underlying mechanics. Normally, this is done to bypass any emotional charge or other intellectual barriers surrounding a topic. The point here is to simplify the issue by relating it to something a kid can understand. A kid doesn't know what it's like to be the President of the United States, but a kid does know what it's like to have friends who cheat at games. This is an incredibly mundane communication technique. PU is a dogshit organization, but criticizing them for drawing an analogy is utterly worthless. What would you have them do? Compare slavery to the Holocaust? In what way would that make the subject easier for kids to digest?
He was arrested and deported because he did slave trade Spanish ships and spanish crew when the spanish crown declared they abolished slave trade. Not because he was too cruel. If he had permission from italy instead he would be fine.
@SomeCoolToad if you wanna get technical then yes, but he had no love for the Spanish, he cut a woman's tongue out, crucified a little boy, sold little girls casually, ordered a dozen starving men to be bound and whipped for buying food, etc. That's not to mention the horrible atrocities towards the indigenous, doing slave trade was about the least bad thing he did.
@@riotbreaker3506 Also, if we go technical, it was Castilla at the time (Spain as a legal entity didn't exist until 1714), and the Castillian Queen at the time (Isabella I) had signed an act called the Laws of Indies for which the natives were legally considered as Castillian citizens, so legally speaking, he was in for a world of troubles anyways (and in fact the natives he traded were later set free and given compensation).
That "slavery > death" argument seems to assume that slaves lived a long time. Slavery was just a more drawn-out death sentence in many cases. Especially when they could be killed or mutilated for the most arbitrary reasons.
Why do modern conservatives even choose this battle? Why do they care to defend some horrible people from hundreds of years ago? I know they're all stupid tools of rich people, but damn, it's a really sad use of of their lives and the gifts our brains are on something so unnecessary and immoral
Imagine those kids walking below decks to see starving people chained together rowing the boat right after Columbus gleefully tells them it's better than death.
@@locsoluv94 the sick ones were often thrown overboard, too, as dead slaves were quite often insured for more than they could sell a sick, alive slave for.
🤣 I know you meant that as a hypothetical metaphor, but it was literally the defense of John Jamelske, who kidnapped and kept a series of 5 women and girls for periods of months to years, chained by the ankle in his basement. Not only was it "ridiculous" to imprison him for punishment since he didn't kill them ... the prosecutors painted an "unfair" picture that made him "look like" a monster. Like how they said one of his victims was 13, but she was 14 when he released her! And they said the dungeon had only a bucket to use as a toilet, when really it was a CAMPER toilet bucket! I mean MY GOD, he even gave one of them A1 steak sauce! -I'm not joking; those were literally defenses he gave. The dude was nuts -he kept a calendar where he marked all the times he r___ d them but considered it "work" so he kept a tally of payments he owed them for it .... but he subtracted "room and board" amounts from that. So for instance $210 was the amount he calculated he owed one woman, after being his captive slave for over 2 years. He was a millionaire by the way. So when he was caught, the state split his wealth 5 ways, for the 5 victims.
@@audreymuzingo933 Lets be real here, the prosecutor just gave the fuck up. He didn’t even try because how can you defend that xD that story is so fucked up, thank you for sharing
@@rainingcomplete3018 There was no trial -he pleaded guilty to all counts because he didn't think they were a big deal. He thought he would just get community service, even though his lawyers tried to convince him otherwise.
@@rainingcomplete3018 I agree. He was up for parole just last year. - DENIED, ha. Crazy thing is, he already looked ancient when he was arrested in 2003, so it's hard to believe he's even still alive! You should look up that story sometime, and see the dungeon, it's effing horrifying what kind of "living" those poor people had to do.
“don’t judge us from the past because slavery wasn’t a big deal back then” this is implying that absolutely NO ONE was against slavery hundreds of years ago (which isn’t true) and that the victims of slavery (the slaves) were pretty chill about the whole situation when being kidnapped from their home and families, tortured, abused, and r*ped for the rest of their lives.
Uh yeah I was pretty confused on that part too like, yo it’s not like the attempts at colonization were met with a population of people who were chill and down with being colonized
Literally. Like a more recent example of someone thinking it's a big deal is John Brown, the guy who would shoot slave owners and helped slaves escape by letting them hide in his house or giving them resources. so like clearly it wasn't always seen as chill. even before John Brown people knew it was wrong. there were people who'd help slaves escape, or people who would buy slaves to free them. (though that one isn't as confirmed. however people alive during slavery had said it happened.) also like, people even during the American revolution thought it was weird. John Lawrence tried to free slaves. And Alexander Hamilton's son had once written that his dad bought a group of slaves and freed them. Which, even if that's a lie done to repair his image, that says that at least his son knew that slavery was wrong and that freeing them was a good thing.
I think we can say rather safely that from the day the first human being was enslaved, the first slaver was born, and so to the first abolitionist. To suggest that, at minimum, the enslaved were incapable of petitioning for their own freedom, and had to wait until western philosophy would put a name to a cause is an insane veil adopted by fascist demons.
@@10thletter40 not to these people. they argue for no abortion ever, because judeochristian values. which the jews then argue against because of religious freedom because abortion if it's unsafe for the mother is mandated in their holy book.
But of course none of you here are going to hear this or listen. Stubborn as a mule huh. I think you guys _want_ to hate people. You want the other side to be irredeemable so you can despise them in peace
I think what’s especially funny about Columbus’ portrayal in this show is how they aren’t even consistent with his stance on slavery. When he hears slavery is no longer acceptable in current times, he’s relieved at how far we’ve come to abolish it and recognizes it as the horrible act that it is. But then he’s also simultaneously upset with Leo and Layla judging him on being a slaver since ‘you’re from 500 years in the future, this was okay in my time’. So he somehow is compassionate and smart enough to know slavery is wrong but also too naive from the time he’s from to be judged for partaking in it. It honestly just makes him look like a total hypocrite.
the same logic by which dead authors were "only a product of their time" and simutaneously would "roll in their grave if you changed anything about their texts" whenever anyone discusses porblematic/bigoted ideas in their writing
Yes, this I found particularly uncanny I imagine the real Columbus wouldn't so much flinch, and instead respond say "well, what's wrong with it?", maybe explain what it's done for him.
@@elanorniennandilme3292 it is not the same logic. Of course they would roll in their graves if you change anything about their writings if they're products of their time. If they're products of their time; all they know is well, their present. If you tried to not only overindulge on what another persons work be, but say their rhetoric is completely wrong; they'll just scoff at you.
Columbus: "Behold, I am a good Liberal embracing situational ethics and diversity of thought, therefore any Liberal who doesn't like me or Prager is actually a Fascist." King Ferdinand: "Wanna bet, PragerUwU?"
To this day I still can't get over the fact that Frederick Douglass gave a whole speech on his trauma growing up as a slave and fighting for freedom and Leo was like "wow that reminds me of when I struggle with math homework".
What would conservatives do if he was alive though? If he had decades more to educate Americans to his actual beliefs. They couldn't just go "content of character lalalalalalalalalalalalalalala". Had to go.
@@taranullius9221 If they failed to kill him this particular time, they'd just go back and do it again. It wasn't the first time the US government attempted to assassinate King, and the only reason it was the last is because it was successful. Not a conspiracy theory, btw - the US government was found guilty in court of conspiring to murder King in 1999. The fact that this isn't mentioned every single time MLK is brought up astounds me.
The fact that the MLK one ended with the girl doing a fundraiser to make her school wheelchair accessible really says a lot. Like, clearly, if you're not a monster, you'd think that something like that should be handled by lawmakers and tax payers. But, no, the children having to fundraise for the kid in a wheelchair is a happy ending to them. Fuck me.
I mean it’s like real life, too. Like the school where the kids did a fundraiser to pay off another students lunch debt. And a lot of media outlets were like “awww this such a heartwarming story :)” instead of asking why a literal child had a debt.
It *is* a happy ending to them. Why? Because the wheelchair kid had to *earn* a fundraiser. They had to have friends who cared enough to fundraise for them. Disabled people have to earn their place; they have to show that they're *worthy* of help. Someone had to judge whether that individual *deserved* to have accommodations. And that's the point. That's what the right is all about: judgment. Charity that happens without judging whether the individual on the receiving end is worthy of that charity is just wrong to them. Does this poor person *deserve* heating during the winter? Well, maybe if they have some friends or something, or if they have a sufficiently tragic backstory that sparks my desire to help them. But they'd rather there be no charity at all than to have their charity money going to those they do not *personally and individually* deem worthy.
@@GeneralBolasI feel like you gave words to something I already felt but didn't know how to articulate very well, thanks. As an engineer, I was quite confused about where the extra space to widen a hallway is coming from, plus there must have been some plumbing or structural walls SOMEWHERE along the route, & I gotta figure even if it's not that long distance, we're talking $10k minimum real quick, if it's even possible. Like, you can't just casually decide to shrink a classroom & move the wall in 3' without consequence. As an adult-diagnosed neurodivergant who was bullied a lot in school, I can tell for certain that teenage bullies don't just stop bullying & start fundraising like that. They might sometimes fake compliance while adults are watching, but they'll find a time where they can't see; then all the bullying comes back with interest.
Okay but what do you want to happen, that to magically be possible? If we had taxpayers pay for every single renovation and law for everything taxes would be insane
besides the fact that "slavery is better than death" is a ridiculous justification, it is also completely non applicable because the Taino people DID die (at extremely high rates) as a result of Columbus and Spanish colonization.
I don't think you can blame the conquistadors for most of the deaths, since those were caused by disease. They're to blame for any deaths caused by abuse or exploitation. Columbus' sponsor, queen Isabella declared that the Indians were not to be enslaved.
What the hell does 'western civilization' even mean? Like, do these people know anything about European history? Most European countries HATED each other.
As a Dominican the Christopher Colombus video is so... sad. The tainos were completely wiped out, and the descendants were prohibited from practicing their language and culture. We know so little of our mother culture and it's an issue that resonates a lot with us, but sure Colombus wasn't so bad he just made a little mistake. Ugh. Like I said, it's not even maddening to me it's just so incredibly sad. Even centuries later the tainos are still treated like less.
My sympathies. Reading Columbus' own writing gives some mortifying insight into the thought-process of the Spanish colonists. The Tainos approached him in good faith hoping for cooperation and he immediately saw this peaceful approach as a weakness to be exploited. Not that later governors were any better.
Oh, didn't you hear? Racism is over! America had a black president so we have the all go to white wash history of all atrocity. If you're still experiencing hardship or poverty it must be because you're lazy... nothing to do with 500 years of repression! 🎉
Dead languages and cultures always make me feel so depressed. The richness of a language, the intricacies of every word, the complexity and beauty of it all completely lost to time. It really hurts.
That's history, baby. We can talk about history and how it may have caused the present, but in reality, that was the way of the world. Nobody had any ill intent against specific peoples in most cases, everyone who wasn't the wealthy invasive countries got the short end of the stick. Do we cry about the Mongols and the terrors they caused on the world? 'Course not, because they weren't white dudes so nobody gives a fuck. It wasn't because they were racists, or they hated your people, it's because they were there when someone else wanted their stuff. Sucks, but we let billionaires and corporations do it all the time nowadays, so why don't we decry Nestle taking water from Flint, Michigan for decades? Why don't we decry the companies in Amerikkka using child labour? No, it's much easier to cry about history and things that we can't change, because it actually takes effort to change things in reality.
My jaw went to the fucking floor as soon as they had Christopher say "Yea but slavery is better than being killed so i did them a favor" and meant that fully with their chest Then i started loosing it harder when they also said "Well it was a different time so why are you judging me?" how is this show allowed to exist
"It's ok to enslaved people because at least you didn't kill them." This is being said by people who think a 2nd American Civil War is necessary because a beer company released a pro-LGBT can design.
And even at it’s core, the “it was okay for the time” defense is not true, columbus was judged at the time, known as a complete monster who was literally arrested for his treatment of native Americans and general cruelty. Even back then Columbus was seen as crazy, especially since his cruelty extended to Spanish people also, with him cutting the tongue of a woman off or literally crucifying a boy.
@@tahamohammad8842 some of his literal slaving compatriots even stepped back and went "ok fuck we're the baddies, holy shit we're monsters" and then spent the rest of their lives trying to atone it was not impossible to think "hey slavery is like really wrong"
"he sold people into slavery, but he didn't INVENT slavery" "The serial killer definitely killed people, but he didn't INVENT murder" Like there is ZERO critical thinking in their reasoning.
Reminder that Christopher Columbus was deemed too cruel by people in his own time, similarly to how H.P. Lovecraft was too racist for most people in his own time
8:28 - “Your honour, my client may have murdered his wife and buried his children alive under the patio… But let it be known - he was not the first to do it!” The jury - “🤨aahhhhh🤔hmmmmm🧐”
I was in disbelief about what Michael said about Columbus. Saying "Columbus sold people into slavery but he didn't invent slavery" is like saying "Ted bundy murdered people but he didn't invent murder". God that was terrible.
I don’t get why people thinking that what Columbus did was good. This shouldn’t be glorified, we should always know him as a awful person because he own slaves.
@@aliciad270 he had a big part in founding the institution of _racialised, chattel_ slavery, _as it was carried out in the Americas._ But that's not the entirety of slavery! Remember that the old testament/torah talks approvingly about slavery and gives rules for who you may and may not enslave and how to treat them. Many of the ancient greek city states were slave states with incredibly high rates of slavery; I think I've read figures up to a quarter of people in Athens being slaves? Just off the top of my head. And mine slaves in ancient Rome were as cruelly treated as slaves at any point in history. But yes, Columbus basically founded the triangle trade and deserves every ounce of criticism he gets for that. Man was a motherfucking monster, frankly.
Someone has to tell Dennis that the term "we disagree but we can still be friends" only applies to questions like "Can Saitama beat Goku" and not "Is it okay to enslave an entire race of humans and treat them like property"
I like how Columbus justified it with “it’s better to be alive and a slave than dead.” Im sure a huge chunk of people would rather be dead than live in misery their whole life and finally die when their usefulness runs out.
@@snausages43 I audibly gasped when they said that. Can’t believe it’s real like it literally sounds like satire. And the fact that those videos are for CHILDREN!? so absurd
@Kataifi We don't even have to guess at that. Plenty of enslaved people ended their own lives or the lives of their children instead of living in slavery. There were definitely those that believed death was better.
About time someone spoke up for those poor slave owners! I can think of nothing worse than being held accountable for your horrific mistreatment of other human beings :(
What's really scary is that "patriotic," conservative (although many of them would deny they were conservative, and insist they were "progressive," because that word meant "civilized" back then, and wasn't a derogatory word yet) propagandists of the 1960s and earlier did not, by and large, try to equivocate about slavery or similar atrocities. They knew they could never defend slavery, so they simply avoided mentioning the issue. So, in a way, they lied, but at least they didn't obfuscate morality.
I actually felt physically revolted when they made Colombus say "how can you judge me by your standards" Truly an evil and repulsive piece of propaganda
@@eelvis1674 I am interested in how you consider those things this evil. Yes, I agree with Joel that Prager is deeply wrong on this one, but ehy are you that much disgusted by this?
@@igorlorenc1445 I don't know. It just hit me hard for some reason. Might be the message conveyed through such a childish cartoon and voice acting. But I in general don't buy the arguement of not judging people by "today's standard". It's just an excuse that today's equivalent of slave owners and colonists use to feel less bad about being shit heads lol.
@@eelvis1674 mostly because they do not consider themselves bad for doing those things. Morality is a bit of a tricky issue. For the most part people cant agree on what is good and badbin this world in principle, so utilitarianism and liberalism are actually pretty usefull in this regard. Religion kinda falls flat on this issue.
Funnily enough, even in Columbus' day people back in Spain were shocked and horrified by the sheer brutality with which he treated the indigenous people. So the entire argument of "Oh it was just normal back then so don't look at it with our modern lense" is nonsense in this context
PragerU is the only company who would claim to be an institution for higher level learning despite being backwards and spreading misinformation about topics like climate change.
@@yareyaredaze3798 And if the person carrying that fetus should wish to terminate it before birth, then they should be allowed to without percussion in the eyes of the law or the community.
I love how Prager U does stuff like this, when you just know they'd be the type of people saying "Stop indoctrinating our kids" when school teachers teach anything they disagree with. Or when someone some much as DREAM of putting LGBT representation in..... anything....
@@Stevie-J you saying that when conservatives literally want any teaching of slavery to be taken out of school curriculum, if not actually spun as a positive. absolute baffoonery
@@Stevie-J a TH-cam channel that calls itself Prager University and presents itself as educational material, partially educational material for school kids. Education is supposed to be neutral, but some States work on restricting topics in school curriculums, that PragerU also advocates against. Even statespeople and teachers watch TH-cam channels and get influenced by their "lessons"
As someone who is passionate about animation, it bothers me to no end that the mouth they use for "neutral face talking" is an upside down smile as opposed to literally anything else.
That's not what pisses me off the most. The 'floatiness' of the animation make it seem like they're not people, that they're just puppets. I know they're puppet rigs but most puppet rigs at least seem like they're people.
@@official-obama I took a semester of after effects so yeah it really feels like they didn't even use easy ease lmao. Coulda at least pressed f9 on the key frames
The whole "so-and-so didn't invent slavery" argument is quite hypocritical. These people position themselves as individualists, yet they refuse to hold individuals accountable for the actions they voluntarily engaged in.
It's also completely irrelevant. Imagine applying this excuse to any other harmful act. "But you see, i did not invent murdering someone and taking their stuff, therefore my doing so isn't so bad" I know this is an attempt at making the moral relativist argument by right wing ghouls, but in this particular formulation it's just pure nonsense.
right - but pragerU isn't hiding the ball. they own up to the fact that they're engaged in indoctrination. that is fine. the problem is people pretending to be engaged in neutral education (or journalism) whilst engaging in indoctrination, and then arguing that their efforts deserve support from nonpartisan and nonideological institutions. i'll be worried about prager too- if they try that.
@@andrewraby8008 what do you mean ''for example?'' i said indoctrination isn't inherently bad, compulsory indoctrination or government power/resources being used to indoctrinate are bad. are you conceding the point in principle but suggesting that in practice it never occurs?
Love how the voice actress for Leo is just doing her normal voice. No attempt at sounding like a little boy at all, just the voice of a grown woman coming out of that guy
By the way, Columbus was so fucked even for his time that he was despised by people around him. He was actually put in prison near the end of his life and was a major dick to people. So even outside of slavery and what was considered "normal" at the time, Columbus was extremely monstrous and dickish even by that era's standards.
Surely you aren’t trying to judge him by modern standards. Have Leo and Layla taught you nothing!? We have to accept everything he did as a quirky part of his culture
one thing to note about the explorers of the americas: Their actions were deemed absolutely monstrous and barbaric by their peers back in europe. Not only in regards of slavery but especially the methods they used. The "todays standard" can only carry so much weight, when you actually look what past standards were.
Honestly, it really speaks about your actions, If even a bunch of 16th century Spaniards (you know, the people with the Inquisition) are like: "Yeah, this Columbus guy, he is totally nuts."
I just see it as "what's bad now was still bad then, even if we didn't know any better." Like how smoking is bad for you. Even if people in the early 1900's thought it was good or healthy, it wasn't, and still isn't.
This doesn't apply to all gay people but I've seen videos of people taking their children to pride parades which from what I've seen are pretty sexual in nature and not child appropriate or people in drag teaching kids to twerk or people being upset that there's a bill that prohibits teachers from talking to kids under a certain grade level about sex I absolutely believe SOME people in the Lgbt community are trying to indoctrinate children. I'm not defending PragerU either I just beleive that there are bad apples on both sides of the political spectrum and that neither side is perfect.
Seriously though! It happens on both sides, but conservatives massively take the lions share of the cake when it comes to railing against others for behaviors of which they are masters of. They're like dogs barking at themselves in a mirror. Behavioral studies have showed time and again how the average conservative has a much more difficult with empathy. They think it has to do with deficits of imagination, and the ability to imagine themselves in the shoes of others. They tend to possess an avoidance to novel exsperiance, which ties directly into the unwillingness or inability to consider the exsperiance of others. You see this all the time. Its why highly and dogmatic religious people tend to be highly conservative, they refuse to or are literally unable to consider the fact that billions of other people believe in their other religions or world views just as profoundly and with just as much certainty as they do in their own god. How often they think they are one of the "chosen" people. That they've felt it to be right, so subsequently "know its right". They have a very difficult time with nuance and tend to see the world in white and black, strictly right and wrong. Its much harder to be a nostic, an absolutist, or a conservative when you can't help but consider things (honestly) from other persons points of view.
saying Columbus "sold natives into slavery" and justifying by it saying he "did not invent slavery" is like a student justifying plagiarism by saying "I wasn't the only one doing it." It's a really dumb way of looking at things tbh.
Right? Not only is it comlpletely ahistorical, but it goes against the argument they JUST made. Why would he be happy about slavery ending unless he knows it's bad? And if he knows it's bad then the logic of judging him based on "the culture of his time" or whatever goes out the window.
Seeing a clunkly animated Colombus being so offended at being judged for his part in the brutal colonization of the Americas is both incredibly funny and a source of unending rage that will never leave me.
the idea of a real life person's first reaction to ¨we don't do ... that anymore¨ being ¨HOW CAN YOU JUSDGRE MEIIUEA¨ is actually so ridiculous on the face of it. imagine someone coming from 500 years in the future to you and being like ¨oh, you eat meat / are a participant in capitalism? we don't do that anymore¨ and your first response is ¨congratulations bitch but how can you judge meeeeee¨ bla bla. how would that be your FIRST RESPONSE and not ¨wow! how!¨ or ¨wait, that was bad?¨ or whatever. AND WHY WOULD U BOTH HAVE HIM SAY ¨GREAT U GUYS DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE¨ AND ¨BUT I HAVE TO, IT'S THE OLDEN TIMES¨ LMAO. THAT'S THE WORST OF BOTH WORLDS also, there are people currently growing up in environments where murdering or torturing people etc under certain conditions is semi-socially acceptable. usually under extremely conservative traditions. or doing things that really are fine but they'd probably consider immoral and degenerate. is dennis prager gonna apply the same logic to them? ¨no one ever taught them better¨? or is he gonna say there's some magical quality about time that absolves everything?
@@theveganduolingobird7349 1) sure, man, i'm pretty clearly not saying ¨this video would be fine and dandy if only laila had a better character arc¨ or whatever. so yeah. bigjoel said some stuff. i don't have much to add. i'm saying a little thing. why am i on trial. why are u holding me at gun point rn. why is ur pfp the egg from shrek. why is the egg from shrek holding me hostage rn 2) i literally did criticize the nature of the propaganda itself... in the second paragraph? so? 3) the writing is bad in a way that is directly relevant to the propaganda. they're saying ¨how can u not see he was a product of his time¨ and then they write him as if he is a 2022 colonbus apologist and not 1500s actual colonbus. so that's uhhhh dumb and stupid and undermines their own point 4( this is an extension of the original comment why am i being ummmmmmmm bashed in the headd w a hammer rn
I love the "judge him by the standards of his time" argument when used with Columbus because if you do that, you'd see that he was put in jail! Saying "However, he didn't invent slavery" is the equivalent of saying Germany isn't guilty for their WWII actions because they didn't invent genocide! Meanwhile, an animation about American history done RIGHT is Liberty's Kids, a 40-episode PBS Kids show that goes into depth of the course of the American Revolution, the events leading up to it, and the events after by ending with the Constitutional Convention. It even made clear that Native Americans suffered, and that slavery was very much a problem (with Ben Franklin saying that it will take another war to end it). In fact, parents hated the show by calling it "anti-American" because they didn't like the fact it was HONEST about the revolution...yeah, it's not anti-American to be aware of facts. The network was in dire need of a history show and this was the perfect choice, not to mention it has a banger theme song.
Prager U’s ideology funnel is as terrifying as it is utterly fascinating….😵💫 As a career marketer, it’s like watching someone use the dark arts. The whole Prager playbook, all of their tactics, CHILLINGLY familiar. Honestly, they’d be a textbook in great marketing if it weren’t bastardized to convert and radicalize children and freethinkers. Anyway, I stopped by to say this the most thought provoking and well articulated piece I’ve seen on TH-cam in ages!! Great work
as a jamaican-american with taino ancestry, the way they straight up lied here about what columbus said about and did to the taino, and chose to parrot the lies about caribbean natives that have been used to justify their genocide is so so disgusting. i still see stereotypes like this all the time, in movies, games, etc., people really still believe and spread these lies about a group of innocent people who had their lives and cultures destroyed
I would like to believe that most conservatives believe in empathy. I think a lot of the time, people just don’t like the beating over the head of slavery being bad. Dont get me wrong, it definitely is, but a lot of people take it as a personal attack, being of european descent themselves.
@@walter7787 I'm taking world civilization this semester, and learning about the slave trade in Africa. I'm a black American. African descent, if you will. Somehow, I decided not to feel personally attacked.
@@walter7787 Thinking that attacking slavery is an attack on people for having european descent is genuinely racist towards europeans. That's the sort of thinking you would hear from a black supremacist who thinks all white people have demon blood or something.
@@walter7787 I think one factor could be the uncertainty of whether or not their own family had any slavers in it. And I'm not just talking about slave owners, but also the working-class people involved in the slave trade as well. Not everyone knows their full family tree. It's certainly something I have wondered about at times.
How can they say Columbus spread Christianity and civilized the people of America, while at the same time saying he was too dumb to realize slavery was wrong. It makes my stomach turn.
@@gregmark1688 they're literally 2 steps away from going "actually colonialism was good for the non-whites; they would not be able to do anything without us bringing our glorious Christian Western Civilization to tame their heathen barbarism"
Floridian here, our schools are basically being destroyed by “deathsantis” (sorry i heard that name once and like using that lmfaooo) and ive been getting most education from things outside of school. Luckily i am outside of the main age range prageru kids to be shown in my schools -somewhat safe from desantis in pinellas
The funny thing about this episode and the poor kids in Florida that will have to see it is that many people in Florida are latinos, and Colombus and other colonizers fucked Latinoamerica and our culture to the point where in this modern times, we need to leave our countries becuase the government and economy are broken. And this cunts go and say we should thank him for democracy and religion, as if we didn't had it.
As someone who grew up a suburban white kid in the 1990s, I think the popular definition and scope of the word "racism" has changed somewhat over time, but the rift between how the left and right perceive racism is much larger. As a kid, the prevailing concept of racism was an individualistic one; that is, "don't be a dick to someone because of their race." It meant not saying the N-word, and maybe inviting that black kid you just met to play football at recess. I think this is still how the right sees racism today, and it's why they get so defensive and angry when the more collective and holistic definition (i.e., a prevailing structural imbalance based on racial heritage) is used.
No, the right thinks racism is over. Racists--individuals who do overtly racist things--can still exist sometimes, but racism does not. You are giving them far too much credit. It is a perfidious doctrine of historical erasure, not a simple misunderstanding.
I see what you’re saying but I disagree. Black people and other oppressed groups have *always* talked about racism as a systemic issue; people just didn’t start listening to us until the 60s.
Little Joel: handheld camera, close-up angle, thereby giving the illusion of a larger Joel. Big Joel: tripod camera, wide shot in the corner of the room. This creates a relatively smaller Joel... I think I'm onto something.
You know, the whole 'time-travel' gimmick kinda reveals its weakness when they show up to Lincoln, only a few weeks away from him being killed, and they decided NOT to tell him anything but instead whine at them about a chess club thing that any parent could have helped solve.
@@thevioletbee5879 When it comes to using 'time travel' to teach about past eras and events, often the traveller is unable to interact with major historical figures and relies on an 'unimportant' bystander for assistance in their initial quest. This allows the audience to view history from a 'commoner' perspective and prevents the headaches of trying to explain the complex motives of historical figures to...well, children; It makes it so that the EVENTS AROUND THE FIGURES and how they responded are what made them make the choices they did, rather than a 'great man' theory of history. But lets not forget: PragerU is not there to teach about history, but to propagandize and use historical figures to enshrine current cultural war issues and debates.
I am not an American. I am a Ghanaian. I started watching conservative commentators on TH-cam because, honestly, some of their 'values' align with what I have grown up with, but gradually, I began realising some hypocrisy and started unsubscribing from their channels. One of them rationalised slavery. That was the last straw. They are 'know-it-alls' who complain about petty things yet forget the things they are always angry about are what is giving them a living because else, what would be there to talk about?
Isn’t that also the case with big Joel though? If it wheren’t for the fact that he makes bank off of these videos he would be doing something else. All TH-camrs are grifters no matter the lean
As a Nigerian, finally an African in an comment section. What types of guys did you see that made conservatism so bad for you? As someone who aligns more with conservatism I’d like to know.
the fact that we haven't phased out affirmative action does say something about the solutions that were compromised on, which CRT would be able to handle but it got filtered through sociologists, everything gets defanged before it's allowed a spotlight
@@davidmurray3542Many Conservatives never read the things that don't support their narrative; they really believe they have a complete & accurate, unbiased understanding. Then they'll actively resist & get to ignore or invent excuses to dismiss new information to the contrary because their fragile ego is dependant upon that illusion of superiority. Interesting tidbit - most people haven't ever read the whole "I Have a Dream" speech because it's copyrighted, & nobody wants to pay the King estate for the rights, so they cite only parts of it.
I'm not even Christian but I'm pretty sure Jesus would not support their version of Christian beliefs. And they are historically infamous for denying science, such as man made climate change.
@@jr2904 I agree. We shouldn't even be taking sides when it comes to history or how it's interpreted. There shouldn't be a "liberal reading" or "conservative reading" - it should just be a reading. People are going to be mad when you say liberals twist history, though. The truth is anyone with political motives will shift history however they want. That said, when it comes to slavery, leftists are overwhelming in agreement that it was bad, while conservatives tend to ignore or downplay it. So, at least on the topic of slavery, it's safe to point the finger at PU and conservatives. What they're doing is trying to downplay slavery.
Or maybe they can afford to be soft on crime BECAUSE they don't have much of it? They can have an open air prison on an island because you'd freeze to death swimming to the next island.
Can we please acknowledge that someone at PragerU was tasked with coming up with “a setting that would appeal to teens” and they somehow landed on “woodshop in which everything is painted a uniform shade of blue”
@@hairymcnipples Dennis Prager is 74. He hasn't been a child in a long time, if he ever was one in the first place. He probably thinks this is exactly what teens are like.
@@luiysia ohhhh. the ''excuse slavery'' trope. the prager U vids don't excuse slavery. i thought maybe we were talking about real things that actually happen.
@@davebowman9913 Maybe not excusing it, but certainly downplaying it, and making multiple white characters who enjoyed owning slaves talk about how its "not so bad" or how they're "glad it ended." I understand it's for kids. But christ, they could've used actual historical figures who were more strongly and openly against slavery, not... fucking Columbus, lmao, what a joke.
The fact that, after judging the traditions of certain tribes in the Americas, they turn around and downplay slavery as just what the culture viewed as appropriate at the time is so tone-deaf, they must have written this episode in a sensory deprivation chamber.
so, to be clear - you don't like the inconsistency. presumably you want to condemn the tribal cultures as evil alongside condemning the south. is that correct?
@@davebowman9913 I notice you said “the south” instead of “Columbus”. Which nicely lays bare exactly what is REALLY being defended when PragerU claims Columbus can’t be judged.
@@kaitlyn__L You notice I said the South rather than Columbus because Joels video addressed both and I was talking about one part of the video as opposed to another. It's says a lot about you that you are eager to try to force a square peg in a round hole like that.
@@jr2904 thanks - and fwiw i do think that joel's video makes some good points. however, it makes bad ones as well. what bothers me most is the attitude running through it, which suggests that if he and his ideological allies can point to important problems with what their opposition (in this case pragerU) is saying, then they're fully justified in feeling morally and intellectually superior to them. if someone wanted to, he could flip it: try the same tact with joel's vids and the comments of his fans.
Best part is how the dude said "You got rid of slavery? Awesome! I'm so glad!" as if he was against it too? But then he goes "But I kinda personally really benefit from it so"
Every time I hear "Judging slavers by modern standards" I die a little inside. There were people during the height of the slave trade condemning the slave trade. That channel is like playing a game of counting how many times that they lie! That aside, an example of how to talk about politics in a cartoon is Avatar the Last Airbender which addresses war and the many issues that occur because of it. The fact Nick was willing to still air it even with all the dark stuff the show addresses is incredible, they had guts and I'm glad they did. It feels like the writers just said, "What's the most interesting, and craziest idea we can think of? Let's put it in and make it work." Another political cartoon that I enjoy is Squirrel & Hedgehog. It's the only show where you'll see squirrels, hedgehogs, ducks, weasels, wolves, a fox, and mice in military uniforms fighting each other. It's pure symbolism of the DPRK's existence. If you want to better understand our country and our struggle, the show best explains our story.
I was gonna say that you'll see that in Redwall too. but Redwall doesn't have ducks. I guess that's on me for thinking that Kim Jong-Un could ever be wrong about something.
"judge the slavers by their time's standards" oh so you must mean judge the slavers by the feeling the people being enslaved had about them, of course! That... is what you mean, PragerU... right????
nah, those old social etiquette films were actually alright. you can find a bunch on youtube, and the main focus of the videos are “caring properly for yourself and having body confidence is the biggest factor of what makes you beautiful”, nothing like this bs
"Slavery is as old as time" IT IS NOT, ITS NOT EVEN AS OLD AS HUMANS, WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT UNLESS YOU WANTED PEOPLE TO BELIEVE SLAVERY IS NATURAL Edit: should also be noted slavery wasn't even a racially motivated thing until a few hundred years ago, so even though it may be true that slavery is a very old institution in terms of our recorded history, it's an extreme and racist equivocation to suggest that the kind of slavery being done by Chris Columbus was functionally the same as how slavery had historically worked
_Hey, you can't judge the actions of people 500 years ago by today's standards!!_ Anyway, back to how everyone today should follow standards from 2000 years ago...
I keep hearing this argument that "we can't judge history through the lense of modernism" and like okay but people in Columbus's time wrote, at length, about his barbaric and torturous slave trade. He was called a villain in his time, by MOST of his contemporaries.
I don't think biblical figures had a big goofy mic and held on to it so determinedly. Biblical figures probably did less drugs too. Although you could be talking about a different kind of biblical figure from the ones I'm envisioning.
@@teutonicterror0365 You're right. It was more me snarking at the mic. I think it's kind of ridiculous looking. And the whole unkempt look. The over 30 person in me is saying take a shower, you don't have to look quite so wild-eyed in every video. I know, not kind.
@@Kyarrix ok so, hair like that right, it stays up constantly. there's no taming it. I have hair exactly like that and it just does not stay down and stay "kempt" unless I want to lather it with a copious amount of hair gel, and yes it does it straight out of the shower, there's no stopping it. So I quite like his "unkempt" look, it makes me feel seen as a rat person
meanwhile Fate's version of Columbus: fuc yeah I owned slaves! it made me RICH! I hate how the modern world has changed because now I can't sell slaves and get rich! in Fate GO everyone hates COlumbus and he's ALWAYS a villain
For more on the Civil War and reconstruction, I'd highly recommend this lecture series from a Yale Professor: th-cam.com/video/QXXp1bHd6gI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=YaleCourses
My information about the Nazis and antiquity came from the book: Greeks, Romans, Germans: How the Nazis Usurped Europe's Classical Past
Joel
@@TheElectricCheeseProductions22 JOEL
This was one my pandemic binges I’d watch a couple times. Great lectures
Can you please settle a bet for me. Are you the same guy as little Joel?
@@Islandswamp they're two different guys who happen to look identical without being twins. It's crazy
I do love the way PragerU argues you can't judge Columbus because you have to consider his culture, but then also judges all the cultures that he enslaves and discusses how they really benefited from having their culture entirely forcibly reoriented around a religion they didn't ask for.
Well you have to admit that these natives killed each other because of their misguided religions. Unlike Europeans who killed each other over the right religion.
It's also telling how even at the time the man was a fucking abhorrent monster. He stole and destroyed unimaginable hoards of wealth for his own interest, and for that the church excommunicated him, he was stripped of authority, and replaced with similarly avaricious, if not as wrathful, men.
@@Chillerll Oh of course - I mean you gotta kill people for Judeo-Christian values. Which if I recall correctly was properly practiced by blaming the Judeo- portion for killing Jesus and orienting Europe's political power around Rome, even though it was the Romans who actually did the deed and Jesus was part of that Judeo portion of the population. That's the right religion in action! Very important to share that around.
AND I guarantee there are videos on Prager U that complain about cultural relativism, how the libs tell them they can't judge child marriages or the way women are treated in Islam due to their culture (that is such a common strawman used by the right to argue that people on the left have no morals)
They did benefit, look at places that werent conquered and youd see mud huts
‘Slavery is better than death!’
There is a monument dedicated to THOSE WHO CHOSE THE SEA
And both were optional. You didn't have to enslave or kill people. PragerU wrote that line, they approved it and recorded it for children. Did they understand that at all, was that the best they could do?
How many Taino chose mass suicide over capture by slavers? I know for sure it was a lot more than zero.
@@namedhuman5870 I'm only human after all
@@jabuticaba4003 dont put the blame on me
A gladiator choked himself with a Jupiter-damn toilet sponge to get out of being a gladiator. If that doesn't say slavery can be worse than death I don't know what does
"Being enslaved is better than being killed, no?" I can't believe that's a sentence in a children's show.
I don't understand how conservative channels like PragerU can simultaneously hold beliefs like "give me liberty or give me death" in the context of the American Revolution but "slavery, forced religious conversation, and torture aren't as bad as death lol" when it comes to the Taino/other native peoples.
Ikr? I had to stop the video and take a break: just to process what I've just heard.
i went from 😐 to 😨 way too fast lmao. my jaw DROPPED
It also implies that those were Columbus's only two choices about how to deal with the indigenous Americans he encountered.
I would bet money they say "give me liberty or give me death" when discussing a slave-owning founding father in another video, though I don't want to check.
The argument "people didn't know slavery was bad back then" always falls apart when you, even for a second, consider that the slaves were people and PROBABLY knew slavery was bad!
Well, this is a problem that easily goes away when you decide to stop considering slaves as people, as conservatives do.
That isn't a very good argument. Slavers wouldn't enjoy being enslaved either. Just because you don't like it when something bad is done to you doesn't mean you oppose that bad thing _on principle._
No, the real argument is that we have written accounts from throughout human history of people who understood that slavery is abhorrent on principle. There was never a time when people couldn't figure that out.
Fredrick Douglass would be rolling in his grave that there are *still* people who will argue that slavery wasn't too bad.
Africans sold each other off as slaves and the people bought them because that was pretty common back then
@@Scooterbeerrun see, but you just did the same thing. More of us who? Could the slaves afford to be altruistic?
I’m just so struck by the one-two combo of: “We stopped these people from committing cannibalism because it’s bad!! BUT YOU CAN’T JUDGE ME FOR ENSLAVING PEOPLE BECAUSE OUR MORALS ARE DIFFERENT.” Like the hypocrisy isn’t even hidden.
I always find it kind of extra nonsensical when Catholics (i.e. Christopher Columbus was Catholic) use cannibalism as an excuse for genocide and/or slavery considering the doctrine of transubstantiation ("bread becomes flesh, wine becomes blood of Jesus"), but besides that, you never see people only enslaving whom they find guilty of cannibalism; like if some priests in a society do some cannibalism in some religious ritual or whatever, why does the whole society's population become enslaved/killed besides the just priests? It is revealing.
The Right must be really dependent on fundamentalist homeschooling to keep producing people that are ignorant enough to swallow this bilge without asking questions.
But ofc, as Joel alludes to, Columbus would never have said anything of the sort. He would have said "I'm sad to see that the morality of the future has become so degenerate." Obviously, he thought he was morally justified, and would be as baffled as a pillow salesman by the idea that our morals are "different".
Furthermore, we have plenty of documents from the time: there were a lot of people in Europe calling out what Columbus & co. were doing in the Americas as “immoral”, including in the catholic church…
“it’s fine that we did bad things because we’re white” that is literally the argument
The same people who say "give me freedom or give me death" are also like "well isn't being a slave better than being killed???"
I literally commented the same thing a minute ago, before I saw your comment. It's so hypocritical. It's like a slap to the face.
@@angygremlin4423 but you see it’s okay for powerful straight white men to commit violence for political power-no one else unless to help those white men
Not quite know if this is true , but it said that King George stated, Why are the loudest cricers of Liberty are the drivers of Negros?
Why is that phrase a "right" quote? Does the left not want freedom over anything else?
Columbus was Spanish and he basically did say that
Cannibalism and human sacrifice? ALWAYS BAD
Death penalty? ALWAYS GOOD
Slavery? ENTIRELY RELATIVE
wild
there's only good or bad, unless we tell you otherwise, in which case it's an entirely artificial grey area designed to obfuscate the fact that we liked it better with less human rights, but we can't say that, because bad cancel culture
Murder bad, death penalty good, because moral consistency is the name of the game around here
@@user-et3xn2jm1u there is consistency, it's just very stupid consistency. They consistently defend white men. That's all.
Cannibalism and human sacrifice is especially bad when the people that were enslaved and murdered in this example never actually practiced either. Like the Taino, who were the first victims of Columbus and the later Spanish Viceroys.
'Morality is objective; good is always good, evil is always evil!'
'Slavery is evil'
'Hang on a minute, you've got to look at it in context. It's bad now, but it was ok back then. It all comes down to the subjectivity of society at any given time in history. Hope that clears things up'
Conclusion: conservatism melts your brain
What about loaning money under rate?
The thing I love is that Columbus WAS a controversial figure of the time. He was even arrested for his actions. But people constantly go to bat for him like he was even the first European to discover America. He didn’t even land in the America that PragerU likes!
Proud Cuban Patriot Dennis Prager o7
Right. The natives were the discoverers of the Americas, and that famous band of Vikings arrived at North America around 500 years before Columbus did.
Also Cannibalism was happening in Europe as well… not a mass epidemic but there are notable cases.
@@jjtheraccoon61 exactly. It’s like Prager U haven’t even seen Vinland Saga
@@micahcook2408 Since I just heared about this recently - Like the rich people of Europe BUYING corpses/mummies in Eqypt and eating them (or more like a powder they made out of them)
"Your honour my client didn't invent genocide, therefore he is clearly innocent"
~Saul Goodman
When you slam dunk a slam dunk case.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 well... yes
This is one of my favourite Saul Goodman moments alongside that one time he legally acquired New Mexico
I could totally hear him saying this
@@husky0098 Nice reference, my favorite Saul Goodman moment was when he became a powerful being after he died just for his nation.
Columbus: Native Americans practiced human sacrifice, so destroying their cultures was justified.
Columbus, not 60 seconds later: Slavery and murder were just part of my culture, don't judge me for it.
Don't forget Columbus was condemned by the church because his actions were considered to be vile even by their standards. Even during his time he was seen a shitty person.
Also the people that Columbus (and later Spanish authorities) brutalized and enslaved the most, the Taino, never practiced human sacrifice. In fact it was their aversion to conflict and willingness to compromise that made the Spanish think they would be ideal slaves.
Now the other big culture in the region, the Caribs, were alleged to have been cannibals, though it is to this day disputed if and to what degree this was true. It is suspicious that neither the English nor French accused the Caribs of widespread cannibalism during their later wars with them, only the Spanish did so. As far back as the 18th century scientist Alexander von Humboldt accused earlier Spanish reports of being total fabrication. But it is considered to be plausible that there was some ritualized cannibalism of captives, something also practiced by Europeans, just in another form. Look up what happened to the bodies of people who were executed in Europe during the Early Modern Period, it's...not pretty. Medical cannibalism is a thing. It's pretty disturbing how much people used to be into comsuming pieces of other people.
In fact, if we spread it to the later US, cannibalism or human sacrifice were almost unheard of among the indigenous North American cultures.
Meanwhile the Spanish and the early English colonists publicly killed people for the explicit reason of appeasing God and in the case of the Salem hysteria, to improve their fortunes after devastating war and famine. Is this not a practice of human sacrifice?
You could even argue that Lynching is a form of human sacrifice, I certainly am. Some random minority is grabbed off the street, sans legal conviction of a crime. Then the entire community comes together with their families to gleefully watch as the victim is brutally murdered, all while the audience is cheering, eating, singing and praising God. Afterwards the body of the victim is mutilated, with trophies being taken home by the attendants. As far as I'm concerned such a crime is absolutely ritual human sacrifice and would be called such if the culprits weren't WASPs. If we accept this, then the barbaric American Southerner practiced human sacrifices until at least the 1950s (that we know of). But you would rightfully be called crazy if you said that "they commit human sacrifice" about every person of European descent living in North America at that time. Now, does this particular savage tribe known as "The South" deserve to be enslaved, colonized or forcefully converted away from their violent culture and beastly cult that includes human sacrifice? I mean that last part objectively yes, but the people funding Prager would have you disappeared if you were a public figure expressing that.
@@sherlocksmuuug6692 I'll go one further and postulate that capital punishment is a form of human sacrifice to appease the "god" of retribution for the public. Whatever reasons or rituals are used to justify murder within a society, the end result is the same. At the end of the day, the Spanish tried to justify considerably more murder of natives than the natives ever did.
@@sherlocksmuuug6692 Very few Native Americans (and Aztecs/Mayans) performed human sacrifice, it was an ancient tradition that was rapidly dying out. Many tribes never did it.
He was literally told not to enslave ppl by Queen Isabella bc they should have the same rights as Spaniards, so this excuse doesn’t even work
Even the country that backed him (or at least parts of it… idk I’m rusty on my history) didn’t agree with the practices he put into place
And Columbus was a dumbass anyways, not that I’d expect all the much intelligence from someone who fucked a llama and gave humanity syphilis. Idk why America ever decided he was some national hero
Leo has blue hair and pronouns, which I thought PragerU hated.
you got a great point, my friend! xD
Holy shit trans Silver
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The thing that gets me with the Columbus one is that the man WAS criticized for his time. Like, he WAS judged based on his own culture's principles. Like...c'mon.
even the Inquisition considered his methods too cruel
He was a crowned on bafoon
Conservatives do this about everything they try to whitewash, and what you're saying is almost always true. There's some idea that the concept of justice was invented recently, but people who were historically pieces of shit, were known at the time to be pieces of shit, and there have always been people at any time in history that knew that shit like slavery was wrong, the same way that today we know that a lot of shit that people in power do frequently is wrong.
@@GiordanDiodato don't understand why people like Prager go to bat for a guy that not only was seen as worse than the og torturers but that has almost nothing to do with US history.
So was Thomas Jefferson, he was called a hypocrite. But, people always say "everyone agreed with slavery back then".
"Your honor, my client is a serial killer...but he did not invent serial killing!"
“Your honor, you can’t judge the actions of my client two years ago by the standards you have today!
I’m Steve Serialkiller and I can confirm.
My family has held the patent on serial killing since we invented it twenty years ago (once it stopped being “the past” and so bad things could start to exist)
I WAS THINKING OF THE SAME OMG LIKE DOES IT NOT MATTER IF I MURDER PEOPLE IF I DID NOT INVENT MURDER!?!?
that's a cute strawman. the argument would be more like, ''when serial killing was normal, my client engaged in it and therefore doesn't deserve to be singled out. some of my clients were early adopters of 'anti' serial killing and successfully enacted reforms before most others. therefore, condemning my clientele as especially villainous would be unjust.'' - I'm not saying that is an amazing argument, just that if you want to engage with peoples arguments, then engage with their arguments - not mischaracterizations that are easy to dunk on.
@@davebowman9913 this is a youtube comments section not the fucking ben shapiro show 💀
“Being taken as a slave is better than being killed, no?” Is a real ironic “give me liberty or give me death” moment
An ironic quote from Patrick Henry, a Virginian slave owner. Out of all of the United States' founders, only a few never owned slaves: John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, Roger Sherman, and Thomas Paine.
Dumb because I'd much rather die than be enslaved. You're tortured as a slave. Death, you feel nothing.
Even worse when the idea that slaves "consented" to slavery by not killing themselves was used as an excuse at the time.
@@vanyadollyThat's a nasty double bind. "Oh they didn't kill themselves so slavery is ok" "Oh, they killed themselves, they're going to hell,"
@@debeb5148 Heres thought... they lost a war so slavery is okay.. because in losing a war the other option is death. if not slavery or servitutde/ submission to the attacking nation.
the idea that no one had a problem with slavery is hilarious cuz who ended slavery then? they all thought it was really cool but decided it was cringe one day for no reason I guess
And all of the people who were enslaved, but I guess they don't count for some reason.
"introduced christianity to people who really benefitted"
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PragerU really said ☹+ ✝ = 😃
Unfortunately it was just Catholicism
Conservatives: we are morally upright people that believe in freedom.
Also conservatives: colonialism and imperialism were actually really good for the people that got colonized. Just look at all the civic improvements that Leopold II made in the Congo region.
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Leopold 2 made some armless changes. You have to hand it to him.😬🤮
My reaction was more “what people are you saying columbus helped and civilized?He killed such an obscene number of people that if anything the civilization was irrevocably destroyed, considering so much of the society was killed off”
I think my favorite part about this is Columbus’s forced Spanish accent even though he was Italian.
I think I even heard a bit of Scottish.
yeah I'm spanish and that accent is just... no
At least they didn't give him a British accent.
He wasn't even that tbh. At the time, he would probably identify as Genoan, as Italian identity came to life around the time Napoleon had conqueredb the peninsula.
I'll be real here, I thought Columbus was from Spain
I think the worst part about prageru kids might be that youtube ACTUALLY recognizes it as a kids channel. This means that it appears more readily when children are using the "kids" option on youtube, and the kids' categorization disables comments, which means there is no way to fact check or dispute these videos where the video is shown....
But, the banner at the bottom of the screen said that they are facing “severe censorship.” How can this be?!
Yeah PragerU is actually extremely dangerous. According to one of their polls, half their audience is under 25. They could be fabricating the stats, but if that’s true, they’re making a deliberate effort to conservative Gen Z
To piggyback off this point, it shouldn’t be legal for this ghoulish propaganda organization to masquerade as an educational institution with the Prager”U”
I once found a lewd video under that category.
And also a few fake news
TH-cam seems to think that anything animated can be labelled as "for kids"
The whole "moral standard" argument with Columbus is irrelevant when the King and Queen of Spain explicitly told him not to treat the natives horribly and to leave them relatively alone, and they were horrified when they found out. They even punished him and stripped him of his titles because of his mistreatment, and in his life he never believed he found America and insisted he had reached Asia.
holy shit so he was just a maniac 😭
It's no different than police chiefs scapegoating their officers today, they sent him to do their dirty work and then threw him under the bus after to save face
Actually, no. He was sent to jail for his savagery, but the king pardoned him and funded his next trip.
My question is why did they decide to make Leo a "blue haired liberal" ?
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Does he have pronouns 😤😤
Blue for boy, so you dont get confused
@@1Hawkears1 they/them Leo 😰
"His" voice is suspiciously feminine too... 🤨
How can they dare compare owning, overworking, sexually and financially abusing, and educationally neglecting a race of people to cheating in a chess game?
Since you "cheat to win", it actually sounds like the problem here isn't even that slavery is bad, but that it's economically unfair that some people "get to own slaves" while others don't.
They see black people the same as chess pieces
I'm a bit more surprised that the video explicitly says that slavery is not "clearly bad"
It's called an analogy. The point is that cheaters did a bad thing, and slave owners did a bad thing. The question PU is asking is: how should we reconcile with people who do bad things?
Analogies are never ever perfectly 1:1 comparisons. The point is to take the important mechanics underlying a topic, and find another topic which shares those underlying mechanics. Normally, this is done to bypass any emotional charge or other intellectual barriers surrounding a topic.
The point here is to simplify the issue by relating it to something a kid can understand. A kid doesn't know what it's like to be the President of the United States, but a kid does know what it's like to have friends who cheat at games.
This is an incredibly mundane communication technique. PU is a dogshit organization, but criticizing them for drawing an analogy is utterly worthless. What would you have them do? Compare slavery to the Holocaust? In what way would that make the subject easier for kids to digest?
@@foop145the problem is that the analogy is poorly made
"Columbus didn't invent slavery" is as good a defense as "The defendant isn't literal Cain, so this murder isn't really that big a deal."
Ha!
"I was only following orders. My orders."
I love how they’ll talk about really wanting the death penalty but also defend murderers from the past because “they didn’t event it!” 🤔
Got me out of so many court cases, this one
We can't judge Columbus by our standards from 500 years later, but we can judge gay people by standards from 3000 years ago? Sure, that makes sense.
Exactly.
but we CAN judge him from standards at his time. He was so fucking bad that he was called back by the Spanish government for inhumane practices
@@theeverydayworldofbodies3779 I love that even by the standards of the time he was going too far
@@theeverydayworldofbodies3779 keep in mind, he was also Italian 💀
@@dascreeb5205 his voyages were sponsored by spain
Kudos to PragerU for conveniently omitting that Columbus was arrested and deported because of his cruelty.
He was arrested and deported because he did slave trade Spanish ships and spanish crew when the spanish crown declared they abolished slave trade. Not because he was too cruel. If he had permission from italy instead he would be fine.
@SomeCoolToad if you wanna get technical then yes, but he had no love for the Spanish, he cut a woman's tongue out, crucified a little boy, sold little girls casually, ordered a dozen starving men to be bound and whipped for buying food, etc. That's not to mention the horrible atrocities towards the indigenous, doing slave trade was about the least bad thing he did.
it said something that even the Spanish king and nobility that did bloody wars and anti Muslims and Semitic act were horrified by what Columbus did.
@@yusukeelric and they abolished that because it was too cruel. So why even bother with what you said?
@@riotbreaker3506 Also, if we go technical, it was Castilla at the time (Spain as a legal entity didn't exist until 1714), and the Castillian Queen at the time (Isabella I) had signed an act called the Laws of Indies for which the natives were legally considered as Castillian citizens, so legally speaking, he was in for a world of troubles anyways (and in fact the natives he traded were later set free and given compensation).
That "slavery > death" argument seems to assume that slaves lived a long time. Slavery was just a more drawn-out death sentence in many cases. Especially when they could be killed or mutilated for the most arbitrary reasons.
Even for slaves who didn’t die, it completely ignores the idea of quality of life
Ah yes make someone’s life a living hell that’s better than death !!
Exactly, that's why in most wars instead of being killed POWs would be sent to war camps
Why do modern conservatives even choose this battle? Why do they care to defend some horrible people from hundreds of years ago? I know they're all stupid tools of rich people, but damn, it's a really sad use of of their lives and the gifts our brains are on something so unnecessary and immoral
@@yobob591yeah it feels oddly nihilistic
Imagine those kids walking below decks to see starving people chained together rowing the boat right after Columbus gleefully tells them it's better than death.
And like a bunch of them are dead down there too
Remember, chained in their own feces and urine.
Meanwhile, of course they'd completely wig out at Muslims enslaving, killing, subjugating, or converting Christians in a similar manner.
And then imagine those kids learning about all of those who managed to jump overboard because they felt that death was better than slavery, actually.
@@locsoluv94 the sick ones were often thrown overboard, too, as dead slaves were quite often insured for more than they could sell a sick, alive slave for.
"Your Honor, sure I kidnapped her and chained her up in my basement. But isn't that better than killing her? I don't see the problem."
🤣 I know you meant that as a hypothetical metaphor, but it was literally the defense of John Jamelske, who kidnapped and kept a series of 5 women and girls for periods of months to years, chained by the ankle in his basement. Not only was it "ridiculous" to imprison him for punishment since he didn't kill them ... the prosecutors painted an "unfair" picture that made him "look like" a monster. Like how they said one of his victims was 13, but she was 14 when he released her! And they said the dungeon had only a bucket to use as a toilet, when really it was a CAMPER toilet bucket! I mean MY GOD, he even gave one of them A1 steak sauce!
-I'm not joking; those were literally defenses he gave. The dude was nuts -he kept a calendar where he marked all the times he r___ d them but considered it "work" so he kept a tally of payments he owed them for it .... but he subtracted "room and board" amounts from that. So for instance $210 was the amount he calculated he owed one woman, after being his captive slave for over 2 years. He was a millionaire by the way. So when he was caught, the state split his wealth 5 ways, for the 5 victims.
@@audreymuzingo933 Lets be real here, the prosecutor just gave the fuck up. He didn’t even try because how can you defend that xD that story is so fucked up, thank you for sharing
@@rainingcomplete3018 There was no trial -he pleaded guilty to all counts because he didn't think they were a big deal. He thought he would just get community service, even though his lawyers tried to convince him otherwise.
@@audreymuzingo933 pftt that is hilarious
@@rainingcomplete3018 I agree. He was up for parole just last year. - DENIED, ha. Crazy thing is, he already looked ancient when he was arrested in 2003, so it's hard to believe he's even still alive! You should look up that story sometime, and see the dungeon, it's effing horrifying what kind of "living" those poor people had to do.
“don’t judge us from the past because slavery wasn’t a big deal back then”
this is implying that absolutely NO ONE was against slavery hundreds of years ago (which isn’t true) and that the victims of slavery (the slaves) were pretty chill about the whole situation when being kidnapped from their home and families, tortured, abused, and r*ped for the rest of their lives.
Uh yeah I was pretty confused on that part too like, yo it’s not like the attempts at colonization were met with a population of people who were chill and down with being colonized
I will ask them next time:
"Don't judge the USSR or China" with the same logic. Let me start a war.
Literally. Like a more recent example of someone thinking it's a big deal is John Brown, the guy who would shoot slave owners and helped slaves escape by letting them hide in his house or giving them resources. so like clearly it wasn't always seen as chill.
even before John Brown people knew it was wrong. there were people who'd help slaves escape, or people who would buy slaves to free them. (though that one isn't as confirmed. however people alive during slavery had said it happened.)
also like, people even during the American revolution thought it was weird. John Lawrence tried to free slaves. And Alexander Hamilton's son had once written that his dad bought a group of slaves and freed them. Which, even if that's a lie done to repair his image, that says that at least his son knew that slavery was wrong and that freeing them was a good thing.
I think we can say rather safely that from the day the first human being was enslaved, the first slaver was born, and so to the first abolitionist. To suggest that, at minimum, the enslaved were incapable of petitioning for their own freedom, and had to wait until western philosophy would put a name to a cause is an insane veil adopted by fascist demons.
Like yeah the millions of enslaved people would probably beg to differ 😂
10yo girl getting an abortion? Always bad, no question.
Working Taino people to death?
Don’t be so judgmental!
See now you are just arguing a nonpoint. That is a situation that would be included in a medical problem
@@10thletter40 not to these people. they argue for no abortion ever, because judeochristian values. which the jews then argue against because of religious freedom because abortion if it's unsafe for the mother is mandated in their holy book.
@@10thletter40 the reaction the right had to the 10 year old that needed an abortion tells me otherwise
@@j0j0dartiste21 The reaction they had and the reaction the left told you they had are entirely different things homie.
But of course none of you here are going to hear this or listen. Stubborn as a mule huh. I think you guys _want_ to hate people. You want the other side to be irredeemable so you can despise them in peace
I think what’s especially funny about Columbus’ portrayal in this show is how they aren’t even consistent with his stance on slavery. When he hears slavery is no longer acceptable in current times, he’s relieved at how far we’ve come to abolish it and recognizes it as the horrible act that it is. But then he’s also simultaneously upset with Leo and Layla judging him on being a slaver since ‘you’re from 500 years in the future, this was okay in my time’. So he somehow is compassionate and smart enough to know slavery is wrong but also too naive from the time he’s from to be judged for partaking in it. It honestly just makes him look like a total hypocrite.
the same logic by which dead authors were "only a product of their time" and simutaneously would "roll in their grave if you changed anything about their texts" whenever anyone discusses porblematic/bigoted ideas in their writing
Yes, this I found particularly uncanny
I imagine the real Columbus wouldn't so much flinch, and instead respond say "well, what's wrong with it?", maybe explain what it's done for him.
The writers are definitely self inserting
@@elanorniennandilme3292 it is not the same logic. Of course they would roll in their graves if you change anything about their writings if they're products of their time.
If they're products of their time; all they know is well, their present. If you tried to not only overindulge on what another persons work be, but say their rhetoric is completely wrong; they'll just scoff at you.
Columbus: "Behold, I am a good Liberal embracing situational ethics and diversity of thought, therefore any Liberal who doesn't like me or Prager is actually a Fascist."
King Ferdinand: "Wanna bet, PragerUwU?"
The people who made these are the same people who hate the idea of making a kids show political.
and when they say “political” they mean the show _hinting_ that one of their characters is gay
Yea ikr? God forbid there's a gay couple in a cartoon
Unsurprisingly, much of their complaints are projection
When they say “politics in kids shows is bad” they mean beliefs that don’t line up with their own or gay people.
To this day I still can't get over the fact that Frederick Douglass gave a whole speech on his trauma growing up as a slave and fighting for freedom and Leo was like "wow that reminds me of when I struggle with math homework".
Is this like a racist version of "he's literally me" ? XD
i hate that this is not even far to what 10 year olds and younger would actually say lmao
This has 'Tall Girl' vibes. "You think your life is hard?"
My biggest critique with Layla and Leo is that they time traveled to the day before MLK was assassinated and didn’t warn him…
Layla and Leo were the shooters on the grassy knoll
What would conservatives do if he was alive though? If he had decades more to educate Americans to his actual beliefs. They couldn't just go "content of character lalalalalalalalalalalalalalala". Had to go.
God I just got up to the bit where MLK was brought up and "content of character" was rolled out lol.
@@taranullius9221 Probably a big part of why he had to die for them tbh. The FBI literally sent him kys letters.
@@taranullius9221 If they failed to kill him this particular time, they'd just go back and do it again. It wasn't the first time the US government attempted to assassinate King, and the only reason it was the last is because it was successful.
Not a conspiracy theory, btw - the US government was found guilty in court of conspiring to murder King in 1999. The fact that this isn't mentioned every single time MLK is brought up astounds me.
The fact that the MLK one ended with the girl doing a fundraiser to make her school wheelchair accessible really says a lot.
Like, clearly, if you're not a monster, you'd think that something like that should be handled by lawmakers and tax payers.
But, no, the children having to fundraise for the kid in a wheelchair is a happy ending to them. Fuck me.
I mean it’s like real life, too. Like the school where the kids did a fundraiser to pay off another students lunch debt. And a lot of media outlets were like “awww this such a heartwarming story :)” instead of asking why a literal child had a debt.
It *is* a happy ending to them. Why?
Because the wheelchair kid had to *earn* a fundraiser. They had to have friends who cared enough to fundraise for them. Disabled people have to earn their place; they have to show that they're *worthy* of help. Someone had to judge whether that individual *deserved* to have accommodations. And that's the point.
That's what the right is all about: judgment. Charity that happens without judging whether the individual on the receiving end is worthy of that charity is just wrong to them. Does this poor person *deserve* heating during the winter? Well, maybe if they have some friends or something, or if they have a sufficiently tragic backstory that sparks my desire to help them.
But they'd rather there be no charity at all than to have their charity money going to those they do not *personally and individually* deem worthy.
@@GeneralBolasI feel like you gave words to something I already felt but didn't know how to articulate very well, thanks.
As an engineer, I was quite confused about where the extra space to widen a hallway is coming from, plus there must have been some plumbing or structural walls SOMEWHERE along the route, & I gotta figure even if it's not that long distance, we're talking $10k minimum real quick, if it's even possible. Like, you can't just casually decide to shrink a classroom & move the wall in 3' without consequence.
As an adult-diagnosed neurodivergant who was bullied a lot in school, I can tell for certain that teenage bullies don't just stop bullying & start fundraising like that. They might sometimes fake compliance while adults are watching, but they'll find a time where they can't see; then all the bullying comes back with interest.
classic liberal. always asking for sex.
Okay but what do you want to happen, that to magically be possible? If we had taxpayers pay for every single renovation and law for everything taxes would be insane
besides the fact that "slavery is better than death" is a ridiculous justification, it is also completely non applicable because the Taino people DID die (at extremely high rates) as a result of Columbus and Spanish colonization.
"But colonizators were so nice that they atleast didn´t kill, but just enslaved the rest :) "
-PragerU (probably)
I don't think you can blame the conquistadors for most of the deaths, since those were caused by disease. They're to blame for any deaths caused by abuse or exploitation. Columbus' sponsor, queen Isabella declared that the Indians were not to be enslaved.
Slavery is worse than death depending on your perspective
The line “spread Christianity and western civilization to people who really BeneFIteD” is one of the most dystopian things I’ve ever heard.
Especially since in most cases “Western civilization” didn’t even stick in any significant way.
Yeah, that line made me wince when I heard it. I'm not sure anything good EVER hid behind that sentiment.
What the hell does 'western civilization' even mean? Like, do these people know anything about European history? Most European countries HATED each other.
@@austinreed7343 and also most of the core countries arent even religious anymore, it’s only the US and like some of Eastern Europe
Oh, they spread western civilization alright: by enslaving them and turning human beings into commodities for industry.
As a Dominican the Christopher Colombus video is so... sad. The tainos were completely wiped out, and the descendants were prohibited from practicing their language and culture. We know so little of our mother culture and it's an issue that resonates a lot with us, but sure Colombus wasn't so bad he just made a little mistake. Ugh. Like I said, it's not even maddening to me it's just so incredibly sad. Even centuries later the tainos are still treated like less.
My sympathies. Reading Columbus' own writing gives some mortifying insight into the thought-process of the Spanish colonists. The Tainos approached him in good faith hoping for cooperation and he immediately saw this peaceful approach as a weakness to be exploited. Not that later governors were any better.
lets face, columbus IS in hell, if you beleive in it of course.
Oh, didn't you hear? Racism is over! America had a black president so we have the all go to white wash history of all atrocity. If you're still experiencing hardship or poverty it must be because you're lazy... nothing to do with 500 years of repression! 🎉
Dead languages and cultures always make me feel so depressed. The richness of a language, the intricacies of every word, the complexity and beauty of it all completely lost to time. It really hurts.
That's history, baby. We can talk about history and how it may have caused the present, but in reality, that was the way of the world. Nobody had any ill intent against specific peoples in most cases, everyone who wasn't the wealthy invasive countries got the short end of the stick. Do we cry about the Mongols and the terrors they caused on the world? 'Course not, because they weren't white dudes so nobody gives a fuck. It wasn't because they were racists, or they hated your people, it's because they were there when someone else wanted their stuff. Sucks, but we let billionaires and corporations do it all the time nowadays, so why don't we decry Nestle taking water from Flint, Michigan for decades? Why don't we decry the companies in Amerikkka using child labour? No, it's much easier to cry about history and things that we can't change, because it actually takes effort to change things in reality.
My jaw went to the fucking floor as soon as they had Christopher say "Yea but slavery is better than being killed so i did them a favor" and meant that fully with their chest
Then i started loosing it harder when they also said "Well it was a different time so why are you judging me?" how is this show allowed to exist
the depravity of this content intended for children is absolutely sinister.
"Objective moral values" my ass. Fascists have an excuse for everything they do, no matter how vile it is.
"It's ok to enslaved people because at least you didn't kill them."
This is being said by people who think a 2nd American Civil War is necessary because a beer company released a pro-LGBT can design.
And even at it’s core, the “it was okay for the time” defense is not true, columbus was judged at the time, known as a complete monster who was literally arrested for his treatment of native Americans and general cruelty. Even back then Columbus was seen as crazy, especially since his cruelty extended to Spanish people also, with him cutting the tongue of a woman off or literally crucifying a boy.
@@tahamohammad8842 some of his literal slaving compatriots even stepped back and went "ok fuck we're the baddies, holy shit we're monsters" and then spent the rest of their lives trying to atone
it was not impossible to think "hey slavery is like really wrong"
"he sold people into slavery, but he didn't INVENT slavery"
"The serial killer definitely killed people, but he didn't INVENT murder"
Like there is ZERO critical thinking in their reasoning.
Reminder that Christopher Columbus was deemed too cruel by people in his own time, similarly to how H.P. Lovecraft was too racist for most people in his own time
Yeah PragerU doesn't let facts stop them from pushing their propaganda.
In both cases, it is legitimately impressive how they managed to exceed the standards of thier time so unilaterally
Same as John A. McDonald. 😂
It’s amazing how many people are too squeamish too acknowledge that
8:28 - “Your honour, my client may have murdered his wife and buried his children alive under the patio…
But let it be known - he was not the first to do it!”
The jury - “🤨aahhhhh🤔hmmmmm🧐”
- saul goodman
I was in disbelief about what Michael said about Columbus. Saying "Columbus sold people into slavery but he didn't invent slavery" is like saying "Ted bundy murdered people but he didn't invent murder". God that was terrible.
I don’t get why people thinking that what Columbus did was good. This shouldn’t be glorified, we should always know him as a awful person because he own slaves.
tbh, in many ways, Columbus did invent slavery. Like, he had a large part in inventing race itself and racial justifications for enslavement.
He is a fan of genocidal fuckwads. Real role models for him, he's doing his best to bat for them.
@@aliciad270 he had a big part in founding the institution of _racialised, chattel_ slavery, _as it was carried out in the Americas._ But that's not the entirety of slavery! Remember that the old testament/torah talks approvingly about slavery and gives rules for who you may and may not enslave and how to treat them. Many of the ancient greek city states were slave states with incredibly high rates of slavery; I think I've read figures up to a quarter of people in Athens being slaves? Just off the top of my head. And mine slaves in ancient Rome were as cruelly treated as slaves at any point in history. But yes, Columbus basically founded the triangle trade and deserves every ounce of criticism he gets for that. Man was a motherfucking monster, frankly.
@@hairymcnipples i love this comment so much, said what i was thinking
Someone has to tell Dennis that the term "we disagree but we can still be friends" only applies to questions like "Can Saitama beat Goku" and not "Is it okay to enslave an entire race of humans and treat them like property"
Wow they really said “slavery wasn’t THAT bad” with their whole chest…. Actual evil content coming from pragerU kids..
I like how Columbus justified it with “it’s better to be alive and a slave than dead.” Im sure a huge chunk of people would rather be dead than live in misery their whole life and finally die when their usefulness runs out.
@@snausages43 I audibly gasped when they said that. Can’t believe it’s real like it literally sounds like satire. And the fact that those videos are for CHILDREN!? so absurd
@@Slap_Pappy Literally me too! Unbelievable
@Kataifi We don't even have to guess at that. Plenty of enslaved people ended their own lives or the lives of their children instead of living in slavery. There were definitely those that believed death was better.
@@snausages43 Slaves literally killed themselves instead of staying slaves.
God bless PragerU for teaching kids about the issues that matter most, like not being too mean to slave owners 🥰
Look… there is GOOD slavery and BAD slavery. K? 😆/s
About time someone spoke up for those poor slave owners! I can think of nothing worse than being held accountable for your horrific mistreatment of other human beings :(
What's really scary is that "patriotic," conservative (although many of them would deny they were conservative, and insist they were "progressive," because that word meant "civilized" back then, and wasn't a derogatory word yet) propagandists of the 1960s and earlier did not, by and large, try to equivocate about slavery or similar atrocities. They knew they could never defend slavery, so they simply avoided mentioning the issue. So, in a way, they lied, but at least they didn't obfuscate morality.
No matter if you cheated at chess or got rich from the work of your prisoners, we all need some forgiveness from time to time.
@@harriehausenman8623 Dennis Prager is Harry Potter confirmed?!?!?!?!😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲
I actually felt physically revolted when they made Colombus say "how can you judge me by your standards"
Truly an evil and repulsive piece of propaganda
Care to elaborate on that?
@@igorlorenc1445 huh? What do you mean?
@@eelvis1674 I am interested in how you consider those things this evil. Yes, I agree with Joel that Prager is deeply wrong on this one, but ehy are you that much disgusted by this?
@@igorlorenc1445 I don't know. It just hit me hard for some reason. Might be the message conveyed through such a childish cartoon and voice acting.
But I in general don't buy the arguement of not judging people by "today's standard". It's just an excuse that today's equivalent of slave owners and colonists use to feel less bad about being shit heads lol.
@@eelvis1674 mostly because they do not consider themselves bad for doing those things. Morality is a bit of a tricky issue. For the most part people cant agree on what is good and badbin this world in principle, so utilitarianism and liberalism are actually pretty usefull in this regard. Religion kinda falls flat on this issue.
Funnily enough, even in Columbus' day people back in Spain were shocked and horrified by the sheer brutality with which he treated the indigenous people. So the entire argument of "Oh it was just normal back then so don't look at it with our modern lense" is nonsense in this context
Prager U for kids. The only university that children are too old for.
PragerU is the only company who would claim to be an institution for higher level learning despite being backwards and spreading misinformation about topics like climate change.
Even an unborn fetus is too old for this
@@yareyaredaze3798 And if the person carrying that fetus should wish to terminate it before birth, then they should be allowed to without percussion in the eyes of the law or the community.
Nah, no age is too young for conservatives to begin indoctrinating their children
@@HOTD108_ _ba dum tsss-_
oh wait, you said no percussion. My bad 😅
I love how Prager U does stuff like this, when you just know they'd be the type of people saying "Stop indoctrinating our kids" when school teachers teach anything they disagree with. Or when someone some much as DREAM of putting LGBT representation in..... anything....
It's kind of dystopian the way they try to paint over reality to get their message across
Heterosexuality is superior.
@@Stevie-J you saying that when conservatives literally want any teaching of slavery to be taken out of school curriculum, if not actually spun as a positive. absolute baffoonery
A lot of schools are still closely interwoven with the church.
@@Stevie-J a TH-cam channel that calls itself Prager University and presents itself as educational material, partially educational material for school kids. Education is supposed to be neutral, but some States work on restricting topics in school curriculums, that PragerU also advocates against. Even statespeople and teachers watch TH-cam channels and get influenced by their "lessons"
"Embrace your femininity by being exactly what men want you to be!!" 💀
💀💀
When he said "a woman's smile is one of God's greatest creations," he's basically saying God created women for men's fulfilment and appreciation.
@@EdamL22 I mean yeah a lot of super religious seem to believe that
@@EdamL22 That like legit made my jaw drop a little
🤮🤮🤮
As someone who is passionate about animation, it bothers me to no end that the mouth they use for "neutral face talking" is an upside down smile as opposed to literally anything else.
That's not what pisses me off the most. The 'floatiness' of the animation make it seem like they're not people, that they're just puppets. I know they're puppet rigs but most puppet rigs at least seem like they're people.
@@Xenderman linear interpolation
@@Xenderman I know right, it looks like they used motion capture or something. It looks so odd
@@Xendermanpuppets. Haha. No shit they are. And ion mean animation
@@official-obama I took a semester of after effects so yeah it really feels like they didn't even use easy ease lmao. Coulda at least pressed f9 on the key frames
The whole "so-and-so didn't invent slavery" argument is quite hypocritical. These people position themselves as individualists, yet they refuse to hold individuals accountable for the actions they voluntarily engaged in.
it seams they only engage with it to bolster capitalisms since it enshrines an "individuals" ability to own property and rejects collectivism.
It's also completely irrelevant. Imagine applying this excuse to any other harmful act. "But you see, i did not invent murdering someone and taking their stuff, therefore my doing so isn't so bad"
I know this is an attempt at making the moral relativist argument by right wing ghouls, but in this particular formulation it's just pure nonsense.
@@anzov1n "Your honor, my client did not invent mass murder and sexual assault."
Imagine if I murdered someone and I said "but I didn't invent murder"
"your honour, my client is an innocent man, he didnt invent murder"
I'm so glad I can never hear about PragerU anymore without a voice in my head saying "I'm Penis Prager, and welcome to Fartside Shat."
"I want milk I want mommy"
"I'm Ben Show, this is the Ben Show show"
”The baby fucking dies”
[nelward - Ghost]
I too enjoy the videos of Unusually Lanky Simpsons Character
if you ever hear someone talking about people indoctrinating kids, this is the thing they should be taking about.
Right wing indoctrinating kids into thinking left wing is indoctrinating kids.
Why can’t it be both?
right - but pragerU isn't hiding the ball. they own up to the fact that they're engaged in indoctrination. that is fine. the problem is people pretending to be engaged in neutral education (or journalism) whilst engaging in indoctrination, and then arguing that their efforts deserve support from nonpartisan and nonideological institutions. i'll be worried about prager too- if they try that.
@@davebowman9913 for example?
@@andrewraby8008 what do you mean ''for example?'' i said indoctrination isn't inherently bad, compulsory indoctrination or government power/resources being used to indoctrinate are bad. are you conceding the point in principle but suggesting that in practice it never occurs?
Columbus in PragerU: "I can't wait for slavery to end."
Columbus in life: "I love slavery, slavery is great."
Love how the voice actress for Leo is just doing her normal voice. No attempt at sounding like a little boy at all, just the voice of a grown woman coming out of that guy
Right?? None of the usual things women VAs do when playing young boys at all
LMAOO that’s what I was thinking
The half assed voice acting for MLK and Columbus is wild too
@@hairymcnipples it’s like they just hired the nearest 20-something conservatives who would be willing to accept 50 bucks for a VA job
@@hairymcnipples i wouldn’t give it my all if i was paid to produce slavery apologia either
Man, Christopher Columbus, what a nice guy chopping the hands off of indigenous people for his own pleasure.
By the way, Columbus was so fucked even for his time that he was despised by people around him. He was actually put in prison near the end of his life and was a major dick to people. So even outside of slavery and what was considered "normal" at the time, Columbus was extremely monstrous and dickish even by that era's standards.
And sleeping with 9 year olds and then selling them for gold and silver
Surely you aren’t trying to judge him by modern standards. Have Leo and Layla taught you nothing!? We have to accept everything he did as a quirky part of his culture
@@rjai5003he was just a quarked up white boy and he only wanted a lil bit of swag
@@patrickmcelrath4962busting down the indigenous sexual style, goated with the sauce 🤪
My favorite Prager quote is: "I want MOMMY, I want MILK, I want to be COMFORTED"
It's the only thing me and Dennis agree on.
And if you don't give me all of those things, I'm gonna ruin your life!
I mean who doesn't
That's not goodness, that's narcissism.
@@peterprime2140 What an interesting PFP 😅
“How dare you judge me by your standards?”
*The future is now, old man*
-King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, Columbus's own employers
Wasn't Colombus too extreme even by spanish colonist standards at the time?
one thing to note about the explorers of the americas: Their actions were deemed absolutely monstrous and barbaric by their peers back in europe. Not only in regards of slavery but especially the methods they used. The "todays standard" can only carry so much weight, when you actually look what past standards were.
Yup, even back then they thought the actions were monstrous and barbaric. They didn't mind keeping all the gold, tho.
Honestly, it really speaks about your actions, If even a bunch of 16th century Spaniards (you know, the people with the Inquisition) are like: "Yeah, this Columbus guy, he is totally nuts."
I just see it as "what's bad now was still bad then, even if we didn't know any better." Like how smoking is bad for you. Even if people in the early 1900's thought it was good or healthy, it wasn't, and still isn't.
@@gregmark1688 It's almost like it was bourgeois moralizing because they were separated from the source rather than an actual principle.
this ends the debate. this guy (5-6 feet) is CLEARLY bigger than little joel (1-2 feet). different people!
wow i can't believe i'm taller than little joel
I cant believe even little joel is taller than me :(
Agreed. We should destroy him for such deception!
How did you count how many feet the Joels' have?
@@PolyChromiumyou can count the hairs on the joel head, it rounds up the same as feet.
love how conservatives are like "gay ppl indoctrinate children" then do this
This doesn't apply to all gay people but I've seen videos of people taking their children to pride parades which from what I've seen are pretty sexual in nature and not child appropriate or people in drag teaching kids to twerk or people being upset that there's a bill that prohibits teachers from talking to kids under a certain grade level about sex I absolutely believe SOME people in the Lgbt community are trying to indoctrinate children.
I'm not defending PragerU either I just beleive that there are bad apples on both sides of the political spectrum and that neither side is perfect.
Literally
Every accusation is a confession for these people.
Seriously though! It happens on both sides, but conservatives massively take the lions share of the cake when it comes to railing against others for behaviors of which they are masters of. They're like dogs barking at themselves in a mirror.
Behavioral studies have showed time and again how the average conservative has a much more difficult with empathy. They think it has to do with deficits of imagination, and the ability to imagine themselves in the shoes of others. They tend to possess an avoidance to novel exsperiance, which ties directly into the unwillingness or inability to consider the exsperiance of others.
You see this all the time. Its why highly and dogmatic religious people tend to be highly conservative, they refuse to or are literally unable to consider the fact that billions of other people believe in their other religions or world views just as profoundly and with just as much certainty as they do in their own god. How often they think they are one of the "chosen" people. That they've felt it to be right, so subsequently "know its right". They have a very difficult time with nuance and tend to see the world in white and black, strictly right and wrong.
Its much harder to be a nostic, an absolutist, or a conservative when you can't help but consider things (honestly) from other persons points of view.
@@SigFigNewton exactly. It's the Goebbels playbook.
saying Columbus "sold natives into slavery" and justifying by it saying he "did not invent slavery" is like a student justifying plagiarism by saying "I wasn't the only one doing it." It's a really dumb way of looking at things tbh.
@@m77lak "Moral relativism only applies to Christians, and it's because we're better than everyone else." - Prager U
Columbus being happy that slavery ended made me actually slap my forehead in frustration.
“i’m so glad slavery ends eventually :) but i’m still gna be slaveholder now you can’t stop me!0
I am so happy slavery ended. Now let me get rich of slavery so my descendants can live a life of privilege.
Same!
Right? Not only is it comlpletely ahistorical, but it goes against the argument they JUST made. Why would he be happy about slavery ending unless he knows it's bad? And if he knows it's bad then the logic of judging him based on "the culture of his time" or whatever goes out the window.
The man practically invented slavery
Seeing a clunkly animated Colombus being so offended at being judged for his part in the brutal colonization of the Americas is both incredibly funny and a source of unending rage that will never leave me.
To be fair, he probably would have done the same in real life.
@@walter7787 wasn’t it him who had sex with a lama then transmitted a new std to humans
the idea of a real life person's first reaction to ¨we don't do ... that anymore¨ being ¨HOW CAN YOU JUSDGRE MEIIUEA¨ is actually so ridiculous on the face of it. imagine someone coming from 500 years in the future to you and being like ¨oh, you eat meat / are a participant in capitalism? we don't do that anymore¨ and your first response is ¨congratulations bitch but how can you judge meeeeee¨ bla bla. how would that be your FIRST RESPONSE and not ¨wow! how!¨ or ¨wait, that was bad?¨ or whatever. AND WHY WOULD U BOTH HAVE HIM SAY ¨GREAT U GUYS DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE¨ AND ¨BUT I HAVE TO, IT'S THE OLDEN TIMES¨ LMAO. THAT'S THE WORST OF BOTH WORLDS
also, there are people currently growing up in environments where murdering or torturing people etc under certain conditions is semi-socially acceptable. usually under extremely conservative traditions. or doing things that really are fine but they'd probably consider immoral and degenerate. is dennis prager gonna apply the same logic to them? ¨no one ever taught them better¨? or is he gonna say there's some magical quality about time that absolves everything?
@@baintreachas out of all of the things you criticised it’s the shitty writing of children’s propaganda?
@@theveganduolingobird7349 1) sure, man, i'm pretty clearly not saying ¨this video would be fine and dandy if only laila had a better character arc¨ or whatever. so yeah. bigjoel said some stuff. i don't have much to add. i'm saying a little thing. why am i on trial. why are u holding me at gun point rn. why is ur pfp the egg from shrek. why is the egg from shrek holding me hostage rn
2) i literally did criticize the nature of the propaganda itself... in the second paragraph? so?
3) the writing is bad in a way that is directly relevant to the propaganda. they're saying ¨how can u not see he was a product of his time¨ and then they write him as if he is a 2022 colonbus apologist and not 1500s actual colonbus. so that's uhhhh dumb and stupid and undermines their own point
4( this is an extension of the original comment why am i being ummmmmmmm bashed in the headd w a hammer rn
I love the "judge him by the standards of his time" argument when used with Columbus because if you do that, you'd see that he was put in jail! Saying "However, he didn't invent slavery" is the equivalent of saying Germany isn't guilty for their WWII actions because they didn't invent genocide! Meanwhile, an animation about American history done RIGHT is Liberty's Kids, a 40-episode PBS Kids show that goes into depth of the course of the American Revolution, the events leading up to it, and the events after by ending with the Constitutional Convention. It even made clear that Native Americans suffered, and that slavery was very much a problem (with Ben Franklin saying that it will take another war to end it).
In fact, parents hated the show by calling it "anti-American" because they didn't like the fact it was HONEST about the revolution...yeah, it's not anti-American to be aware of facts. The network was in dire need of a history show and this was the perfect choice, not to mention it has a banger theme song.
they did hate it?
liberty's kids was owned by DIC entertainment
Fuck yeah Liberty Kids
Colombus was so bad that even people in his day thought he was a terrible human being.
funny they said it was 'anti-american', because it's considerably more american than what the right-wingers spew.
Now PragerU for Kids is in the Florida school curriculum. Truly horrifying
I hope the swamp puppies organize a committee to devour all those who vouched for PragerU in schools.
We've failed as a species.
Right horrifying
Idk man, I’m in Florida and I haven’t watched this, yet
Although i’m an Aussie, I still feel for you saner Floridians.
When little joel uploads a 35 min video and then you realize it's a big joel video
real
The multiverses are starting to blend together
Literally
💯
So true bestie
Every time Joel revealed who the kids talk to in each episode, I said "OH NO" out loud with increasing concern.
Make them meet Stalin and Lenin. I want to see blood, much, much blood.
@@KozelPraiseGOELRO there's an episode where Stalin's ghost appear lmao
@@TheGalaxyWingsOOOOOH NOOOO!
Glad it wasn't just me. I've never let out so many OH NOs in a row.
@@davitdavid7165 HOLY HELL MAN
"- he sold them
- he sold them into slavery
- information"
its simply the funniest thing in the world
6:59 or 7:00 for anyone who needs a time stamp
This part fucking killed me lol I scrolled down to see if anyone else thought it was as funny as I did
Prager U’s ideology funnel is as terrifying as it is utterly fascinating….😵💫
As a career marketer, it’s like watching someone use the dark arts.
The whole Prager playbook, all of their tactics, CHILLINGLY familiar. Honestly, they’d be a textbook in great marketing if it weren’t bastardized to convert and radicalize children and freethinkers.
Anyway, I stopped by to say this the most thought provoking and well articulated piece I’ve seen on TH-cam in ages!! Great work
as a jamaican-american with taino ancestry, the way they straight up lied here about what columbus said about and did to the taino, and chose to parrot the lies about caribbean natives that have been used to justify their genocide is so so disgusting. i still see stereotypes like this all the time, in movies, games, etc., people really still believe and spread these lies about a group of innocent people who had their lives and cultures destroyed
Conservatives have radical empathy when it comes to excusing slave owners, and fascist wrath when it comes to helping poor people
I would like to believe that most conservatives believe in empathy. I think a lot of the time, people just don’t like the beating over the head of slavery being bad. Dont get me wrong, it definitely is, but a lot of people take it as a personal attack, being of european descent themselves.
@@walter7787 I'm taking world civilization this semester, and learning about the slave trade in Africa. I'm a black American. African descent, if you will. Somehow, I decided not to feel personally attacked.
@@walter7787 Thinking that attacking slavery is an attack on people for having european descent is genuinely racist towards europeans. That's the sort of thinking you would hear from a black supremacist who thinks all white people have demon blood or something.
@@walter7787 I think one factor could be the uncertainty of whether or not their own family had any slavers in it. And I'm not just talking about slave owners, but also the working-class people involved in the slave trade as well. Not everyone knows their full family tree. It's certainly something I have wondered about at times.
@@pyrytuominen573 the calls coming from inside the house.
How can they say Columbus spread Christianity and civilized the people of America, while at the same time saying he was too dumb to realize slavery was wrong.
It makes my stomach turn.
How can they say that spreading a Christianity that explicitly condoned slavery was good for people?
@Justin does it though? "Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling ..." -
Ephesians 6:5
@@gregmark1688 they're literally 2 steps away from going "actually colonialism was good for the non-whites; they would not be able to do anything without us bringing our glorious Christian Western Civilization to tame their heathen barbarism"
It also implies that slavery is compatible with or even, built into what they consider to be the best moral and spiritual worldview.
Civilization = hierarchy, slavery is the most direct form of hierarchy. If you define "wEsTErN cIvILizAtiOn" as Christianity, then, there you go.
What is insane is that Florida is going to allow this garbage to be shown in its schools. 👍🏻
I feel bad for Florida children
Floridian here, our schools are basically being destroyed by “deathsantis” (sorry i heard that name once and like using that lmfaooo) and ive been getting most education from things outside of school. Luckily i am outside of the main age range prageru kids to be shown in my schools
-somewhat safe from desantis in pinellas
The funny thing about this episode and the poor kids in Florida that will have to see it is that many people in Florida are latinos, and Colombus and other colonizers fucked Latinoamerica and our culture to the point where in this modern times, we need to leave our countries becuase the government and economy are broken. And this cunts go and say we should thank him for democracy and religion, as if we didn't had it.
don't forget texas now too 🙃
not like florida or texas is a very good place to raise a child anyways... absolute shitholes.
As someone who grew up a suburban white kid in the 1990s, I think the popular definition and scope of the word "racism" has changed somewhat over time, but the rift between how the left and right perceive racism is much larger.
As a kid, the prevailing concept of racism was an individualistic one; that is, "don't be a dick to someone because of their race." It meant not saying the N-word, and maybe inviting that black kid you just met to play football at recess. I think this is still how the right sees racism today, and it's why they get so defensive and angry when the more collective and holistic definition (i.e., a prevailing structural imbalance based on racial heritage) is used.
Just fucking call it systemic racism if it is and call it racism if it’s the personal kind. Problem solved
No, the right thinks racism is over. Racists--individuals who do overtly racist things--can still exist sometimes, but racism does not.
You are giving them far too much credit. It is a perfidious doctrine of historical erasure, not a simple misunderstanding.
@@vladimirzhivanevskaya5474 beautifully said
I see what you’re saying but I disagree. Black people and other oppressed groups have *always* talked about racism as a systemic issue; people just didn’t start listening to us until the 60s.
Little Joel: handheld camera, close-up angle, thereby giving the illusion of a larger Joel.
Big Joel: tripod camera, wide shot in the corner of the room. This creates a relatively smaller Joel...
I think I'm onto something.
@@frostingfluff does the drawing in the background mean anything?
@@ipilotaneva2586 it symbolises your repressed desires. "Listen to Demon" and "Hold Cat"
Idk about the third painting. "Support Local Farmers" or something
The Channel Joel is the Point of View.
@@The-Seal-Of-Approval yaay! Support farmers!
You know, the whole 'time-travel' gimmick kinda reveals its weakness when they show up to Lincoln, only a few weeks away from him being killed, and they decided NOT to tell him anything but instead whine at them about a chess club thing that any parent could have helped solve.
And also MLK 😅
Have fun on your trip to Dallas Mr. Kennedy👋
On one hand, butterfly effect. On the other, them talking to them at all should be a serious issue.
@@thevioletbee5879 When it comes to using 'time travel' to teach about past eras and events, often the traveller is unable to interact with major historical figures and relies on an 'unimportant' bystander for assistance in their initial quest. This allows the audience to view history from a 'commoner' perspective and prevents the headaches of trying to explain the complex motives of historical figures to...well, children; It makes it so that the EVENTS AROUND THE FIGURES and how they responded are what made them make the choices they did, rather than a 'great man' theory of history.
But lets not forget: PragerU is not there to teach about history, but to propagandize and use historical figures to enshrine current cultural war issues and debates.
It’s honestly a good idea for a kids show. If it wasn’t so weirdly fascist, it could be a great way to introduce kids to historical figures
I am not an American. I am a Ghanaian. I started watching conservative commentators on TH-cam because, honestly, some of their 'values' align with what I have grown up with, but gradually, I began realising some hypocrisy and started unsubscribing from their channels. One of them rationalised slavery. That was the last straw. They are 'know-it-alls' who complain about petty things yet forget the things they are always angry about are what is giving them a living because else, what would be there to talk about?
Isn’t that also the case with big Joel though? If it wheren’t for the fact that he makes bank off of these videos he would be doing something else. All TH-camrs are grifters no matter the lean
As a Nigerian, finally an African in an comment section. What types of guys did you see that made conservatism so bad for you? As someone who aligns more with conservatism I’d like to know.
That one dude quoting MLK is literally the equivalent of a middle schooler throwing a random quote in their essay having no idea what it means
I like the fact they dressed him like one of these hip pastors. what a mess.
I would love to believe that, but I'm pretty sure it's deliberate selective quoting and willful misinterpretation.
the fact that we haven't phased out affirmative action does say something about the solutions that were compromised on, which CRT would be able to handle but it got filtered through sociologists, everything gets defanged before it's allowed a spotlight
@@davidmurray3542Many Conservatives never read the things that don't support their narrative; they really believe they have a complete & accurate, unbiased understanding. Then they'll actively resist & get to ignore or invent excuses to dismiss new information to the contrary because their fragile ego is dependant upon that illusion of superiority.
Interesting tidbit - most people haven't ever read the whole "I Have a Dream" speech because it's copyrighted, & nobody wants to pay the King estate for the rights, so they cite only parts of it.
@@MrHobbes08😂
Conservatives use history the same way they use math, science, and the Bible. They make it mean whatever they need it to mean.
I'm not even Christian but I'm pretty sure Jesus would not support their version of Christian beliefs. And they are historically infamous for denying science, such as man made climate change.
So do liberals. Two sides of the same coin
@j r were all filth
@@jr2904 nope xd
@@jr2904 I agree. We shouldn't even be taking sides when it comes to history or how it's interpreted. There shouldn't be a "liberal reading" or "conservative reading" - it should just be a reading.
People are going to be mad when you say liberals twist history, though. The truth is anyone with political motives will shift history however they want.
That said, when it comes to slavery, leftists are overwhelming in agreement that it was bad, while conservatives tend to ignore or downplay it. So, at least on the topic of slavery, it's safe to point the finger at PU and conservatives. What they're doing is trying to downplay slavery.
"yeah actually we figured out slavery was a *bad thing* in the future"
"uh im literally neurodivergent. and a minor. imperialism is my hyperfixation"
“Mass genocide is my hyperfixation”-hitler
Believing in the death penalty is insane because Norway doesn’t use the death penalty and yet has low rates of returning to crime
Or maybe they can afford to be soft on crime BECAUSE they don't have much of it? They can have an open air prison on an island because you'd freeze to death swimming to the next island.
@@marthademovimaus5140 they don’t have much crime because they treat their criminals well, they rarely have repeat offenders
@@MrIKEACat I don't buy it. Epstein went to a country club prison, why'd he reoffend?
I heard the soviets didn’t have high crime rates. Yet they had the death penalty
@@wkeezz the difference is that the Soviet Russia had basically no laws, and when people were caught for crimes, they could bribe the authorities.
Can we please acknowledge that someone at PragerU was tasked with coming up with “a setting that would appeal to teens” and they somehow landed on “woodshop in which everything is painted a uniform shade of blue”
There's no way this shit is aimed at teens. Tweens, maybe.
@@hairymcnipples fair enough, but I don’t think tweens are into solid-colored woodshops either 😄
Yeah I'm gonna say the target age is around 9. Even a 14 year old would have to question the line "Columbus didn't invent slavery."
@@hairymcnipples Dennis Prager is 74. He hasn't been a child in a long time, if he ever was one in the first place. He probably thinks this is exactly what teens are like.
I love that they rave against "moral relatavism" then literally do the most by the book morally relatavistic thing ever
''do the most by the book morally relatavistic thing'' = ?
@@davebowman9913 excuse slavery by saying it was normal in the 15/16th century
@@luiysia ohhhh. the ''excuse slavery'' trope. the prager U vids don't excuse slavery. i thought maybe we were talking about real things that actually happen.
@@davebowman9913 you've been fighting for prageru kids in this comments section for how long now? does that make you feel happy?
@@davebowman9913 Maybe not excusing it, but certainly downplaying it, and making multiple white characters who enjoyed owning slaves talk about how its "not so bad" or how they're "glad it ended."
I understand it's for kids. But christ, they could've used actual historical figures who were more strongly and openly against slavery, not... fucking Columbus, lmao, what a joke.
The fact that, after judging the traditions of certain tribes in the Americas, they turn around and downplay slavery as just what the culture viewed as appropriate at the time is so tone-deaf, they must have written this episode in a sensory deprivation chamber.
so, to be clear - you don't like the inconsistency. presumably you want to condemn the tribal cultures as evil alongside condemning the south. is that correct?
@@davebowman9913 I notice you said “the south” instead of “Columbus”. Which nicely lays bare exactly what is REALLY being defended when PragerU claims Columbus can’t be judged.
@@kaitlyn__L You notice I said the South rather than Columbus because Joels video addressed both and I was talking about one part of the video as opposed to another. It's says a lot about you that you are eager to try to force a square peg in a round hole like that.
@@davebowman9913 there's no reasoning with these people, but I commend you for trying.
@@jr2904 thanks - and fwiw i do think that joel's video makes some good points. however, it makes bad ones as well.
what bothers me most is the attitude running through it, which suggests that if he and his ideological allies can point to important problems with what their opposition (in this case pragerU) is saying, then they're fully justified in feeling morally and intellectually superior to them. if someone wanted to, he could flip it: try the same tact with joel's vids and the comments of his fans.
Wild that PragerU material is getting pushed into schools. This kind of stuff is so important to view their propaganda through a critical lens.
Columbus really said, "up yours woke moralists!" to those kids.
Best part is how the dude said "You got rid of slavery? Awesome! I'm so glad!" as if he was against it too? But then he goes "But I kinda personally really benefit from it so"
@@namename9194it's a “You keep your progress, I keep my benefits” stance.
How about implementing that into real life?
I kind of wish he did, with Adam Carolla’s voice no less
It would be way more impactful than Mr. Birchum
Every time I hear "Judging slavers by modern standards" I die a little inside. There were people during the height of the slave trade condemning the slave trade. That channel is like playing a game of counting how many times that they lie! That aside, an example of how to talk about politics in a cartoon is Avatar the Last Airbender which addresses war and the many issues that occur because of it. The fact Nick was willing to still air it even with all the dark stuff the show addresses is incredible, they had guts and I'm glad they did. It feels like the writers just said, "What's the most interesting, and craziest idea we can think of? Let's put it in and make it work."
Another political cartoon that I enjoy is Squirrel & Hedgehog. It's the only show where you'll see squirrels, hedgehogs, ducks, weasels, wolves, a fox, and mice in military uniforms fighting each other. It's pure symbolism of the DPRK's existence. If you want to better understand our country and our struggle, the show best explains our story.
I was gonna say that you'll see that in Redwall too. but Redwall doesn't have ducks. I guess that's on me for thinking that Kim Jong-Un could ever be wrong about something.
thank you kim jong-un, the extremely handsome and powerful god-emperor of north korea (who is very tall and sexy).
I can't believe you're forgetting about Star Wars: The Clone Wars. There's a ton of politics, war, and ballsy stuff for a supposed kid's show in it.
"judge the slavers by their time's standards" oh so you must mean judge the slavers by the feeling the people being enslaved had about them, of course! That... is what you mean, PragerU... right????
We should do a livestream with Joel where we watch PragerU and drink every time there is a lie
"How to Embrace Your Femininity" is basically a modern reproduction of those 16mm social etiquette films from the 1950s
More like the 189os " Domestic Angels"
Those were far more accepting than whatever this prageru shit is
@@emptycinema So we basically just evolved backwards?
@@Grag235THEY evolved backwards, not us.
nah, those old social etiquette films were actually alright. you can find a bunch on youtube, and the main focus of the videos are “caring properly for yourself and having body confidence is the biggest factor of what makes you beautiful”, nothing like this bs
"Slavery is as old as time" IT IS NOT, ITS NOT EVEN AS OLD AS HUMANS, WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT UNLESS YOU WANTED PEOPLE TO BELIEVE SLAVERY IS NATURAL
Edit: should also be noted slavery wasn't even a racially motivated thing until a few hundred years ago, so even though it may be true that slavery is a very old institution in terms of our recorded history, it's an extreme and racist equivocation to suggest that the kind of slavery being done by Chris Columbus was functionally the same as how slavery had historically worked
the romans who also practiced slavery would find what Columbus was doing to be very fucked up
_Hey, you can't judge the actions of people 500 years ago by today's standards!!_
Anyway, back to how everyone today should follow standards from 2000 years ago...
Exactly!
And why the government should revert to how it was 250 years ago
Wait is Leo voiced by an adult woman? And he has blue hair? This smacks of pronouns.
No, Leo has no pronouns. Leo can only be refered to as Leo.
This is giving absolute pronouns. It’s slaying absolute gender.
@@PrimeHunter18 which means that leo is Leo's pronouns. checkmate, atheists.
@@sarafontanini7051 you called?
I keep hearing this argument that "we can't judge history through the lense of modernism" and like okay but people in Columbus's time wrote, at length, about his barbaric and torturous slave trade. He was called a villain in his time, by MOST of his contemporaries.
Yep - Pegger University, under DP's direction, deliberately lies to children about reality for profit and political influence.
also, the slaves were probably quite peeved about it all
“Your honour, my client *may* have stabbed the victim fifteen times, but he did not invent knives!”
Joel looks like every biblical figure combined
Joeshmael
I don't think biblical figures had a big goofy mic and held on to it so determinedly. Biblical figures probably did less drugs too. Although you could be talking about a different kind of biblical figure from the ones I'm envisioning.
@@serse8455 that's Joel Jebediah Jershemel 😂
@@teutonicterror0365 You're right. It was more me snarking at the mic. I think it's kind of ridiculous looking. And the whole unkempt look. The over 30 person in me is saying take a shower, you don't have to look quite so wild-eyed in every video. I know, not kind.
@@Kyarrix ok so, hair like that right, it stays up constantly. there's no taming it. I have hair exactly like that and it just does not stay down and stay "kempt" unless I want to lather it with a copious amount of hair gel, and yes it does it straight out of the shower, there's no stopping it.
So I quite like his "unkempt" look, it makes me feel seen as a rat person
"but in Europe we draw the line at eating people"
mummies: am I a joke to you
“Boy, you got toilet paper around you and turned into an alien in Ben 10, we know you ain’t talkin’”
Lmfaooo
Belgian Congo:
I'm legit confused, what about mummies?
@@YA_LUNNAYA_PONI it used to be a trend to eat mummies. Seriously look it up it's crazy
they ask columbus why he owned slaves and he said the equivalent of "can't help being a gemini :)"
I'm a Gemini. 🤔 I don't even have a submissive right now, and a BDSM slave would be too much work.
@@grmpEqweer I don't think this is what he meant by "owning slaves"
meanwhile Fate's version of Columbus: fuc yeah I owned slaves! it made me RICH! I hate how the modern world has changed because now I can't sell slaves and get rich!
in Fate GO everyone hates COlumbus and he's ALWAYS a villain