11 hours tops, even 11 hour night shift is pushing it, having worked 11 hour night shifts before, by the end my mind was blank and I couldn’t think about anything
It was shocking for me to learn that one of my relative when she was doing residency at hospital in Calgary Canada, she was doing 24 hours shift, at the end of shift, she drove home by herself, it scared me just to hear it, and its ongoing, not even like random days, she went back for another 24 hours shift after a 24 hours break. Insane.
I've worked 16 hour shifts when I was a nurse and some of the docs would work 24 hour shift, sleep in their vehicles and work another triple. They were not in a good mood.
There should be a 3 way balance to life everyday 8 hrs of sleep to rejuvenate your body, 8 hrs of work or other main responsibility to do and 8 hrs of free time including going to the bathroom, eating, driving, TV and phone stuff etc
In the Air Force, we have to have Commander approval for a +12 hour shift. But after 16 hours, we are no longer responsible for our own actions. Do you want an aircraft mechanic that has been in the heat for 20+ hours fixing a critical problem for YOUR next flight? How about loading bombs or working in the Air Traffic Control tower? I didn't think so. The medical profession should adopt this rule.
We have an issue with this in the Army... Soldiers operating weapons and crewing armored vehicles with little to no sleep for days and even weeks. I saw a tank almost go over a cliff during training at Ft. Knox in 2008 due to minimal crew rest.
Fascinating stuff. Totally concur with what they are saying about medical residents. When I was in the Navy, even during heavy training sessions simulating battle conditions, the minimum was 8 hours on, 8 hours off. The need for sleep and relaxation was paramount to our success as a unit. Why the medical profession would make a resident endure 30 hours on is mind-numbingly stupid. These are critical jobs with life-altering consequences. A major change is needed.
Not all military does it right. I worked a 12 hour shift 5 days in a row.(5 off) Which was basically a 14-16 hour shift. Wake up. Work out. Eat breakfast. Post. Return from your 12 hour shift. Eat shower and relax before bed. Sometimes we would be stuck(I was stationed in Montana) for another shift. Being up for 24 hours straight was a nightmare. The fact they were fine with us driving back was a joke. I could barley keep the vehicle straight. They are right about you basically being impaired with that much lack of sleep.
It is absolutely vital and crucial for joe to have people like this on his podcast. Not only are we being enlightened, but this information could legitimately save yours or a loved ones life, very grateful for some of the guests on here
+Pingtr1p You like the word "damn" a lot - seemingly. I think you need to first lose some "damn" weight though. Of course it won't fix the unsightly appearance between your shoulders, but still... A man needs to be healthy. The body is a man's temple, and when a man disregards his temple to such extent as you have, it is an indication of a serious lack of discipline, and a sign of a fundamentally emasculated mind. : )
@@stevebia7063 Nah, there's no one-size-fits-all solution to sleep just like there isn't one for diet. My dad has averaged 5h of sleep every night for as long as he can remember. He just feels completely rested and can't stay in bed for longer. If I would try to sleep for 9h I'd just lie in bed waiting for my alarm to go off. I'm already awake at 5 most days and just kinda snoozing, waiting for the 5.30 alarm to go off. That's 7h of sleep and it's plenty for me. My wife can easily sleep for 9 or 10 hours though.
@@stevebia7063 Yeah I understand. I just hate blanket statements because humans are governed by their genetics to such a great extent. It's like when people see a vegan guy who is 50 but looks like 35 - they immediately assume it's the diet. Then the next day somebody else sees a guy on the carnivore diet with the same results and they again think that it's the diet. No. It probably isn't. The diet may or may not help - but their looks are primarily due to their genetics. Just like you can't look like Brad Pitt by changing your diet, you're not gonna shave off 15 years of your life by sticking to a rigorous diet. Genetics is omnipotent. If both of your parents had heart attacks in their 40s then you probably will too. Maybe with diet and exercise you can push it to 50 but you can't outrun your genetics.
Ever since I found Matthew walker, I’ve been trying to get at least 8 hours of sleep. And wow I’ve been seeing major results, my grades and my focus have been at their highest
There's should be a 3 way balance to life everyday 8 hrs of sleep to rejuvenate your body, 8 hrs of work or main responsibility to do and 8 hrs including going to the bathroom, eating, driving, TV, interacting with people and phone stuff etc
You can tell how young so many commenters here are based on how they criticize the idea that sleep is really important. Wait until you start aging. Your body will feel wrecked from lack of sleep.
I use to sleep every other night,after 48hrs awake I'd sleep for 10-12hrs,in mid 30s now "not that old" but if I'm awake for over 24hrs I'm a brain dead zombie. Don't know how I use to do it so easily back then.
Yep. I was in the service and my sleep schedule was fucked. Worked a 5 days on 5 days off schedule. Those 5 days of work were from 6pm-6am. Basically 14-16 hour days. Then I came back on base and had to get back on a normal sleep schedule. Since we had some sort of training/firing qual on our 4th or 5th day off. I was a fucking zombie. Even at age 20 my body was in ruins.
So fucking true. I remember that I could stay up to 3-6am playing video games when I was 16-19. Now I am 28 and fuck this I can do max do 1-2am and I say FUCK IT IMA GO SLEEP NOW BABY. I also think that doing that back in my teenage years did affect me mentally and emotionally. It could be nr 1 reason why I felt depressed then.
Joe Rogan should release an app that makes you feel like everything you say is fascinating Me: "I went to the shop earlier" Rogan app: "Woah!" Me: "Bought some chocolate" Rogan app: "That's insane!"
I spent 3 years working as an EMT on 24 hour schedules. They would regularly drag on to 26 and sometimes 30 hour shifts due to extra calls. I also worked in a hospital and the fact of the matter is that we are short handed as hell for good people right now and it’s a terrifying fact that results in most of us just having to handle lifesaving situations under immense levels of sleep deprivation. Most of us just go straight to chain smoking and drinking caffeine by the gallon and blowing our own personal health off to help patients. And that’s just expected at almost any healthcare job.
it's sad how elon musk was all over social media for taking a puff off a blunt but detrimental information like this just gets ignored for the most part
Even when I had zero problems sleeping they'd prescribe me sleeping pills. They gave me olanzipine which was painful. It made me need to hit my arms and legs to get rid of the electric pain feeling in my limbs. Wack.
I got shivers at that final point. That was the most well articulated long explanation I've ever heard. I've never become so informed in such a short time.
I was a resident and it killed a part of my soul. I once worked non stop from Friday morning till Sunday morning and felt like I was going to die. We had 24 hour weekend calls that end on Monday morning. I begged my senior to take the pager from me for at least 3 hours. Yea, in 3 days I only slept 3 hours then picked up until Monday afternoon because after a weekend call you are expected to come back to work again on Monday (maybe a kind attending would give you 3 hours of sleep on Monday). It was inhumane and reckless!
True story my friend was a surgical resident in the early 90s.... he just got off an crazy long shift and was so tired when he got to his car in the parking lot, he just set his back on the headrest for a minute and fell asleep... when he woke up it was time to go back to work. At that moment he said fuck it and quit surgery. He’s a successful nephrologist today
You don`t learn shit if you don`t sleep. A lot of schoolkids make the same mistake when cramming for exams. I always chose sleep over studying through the night and I did better than most. And practice is a part of learning as well.
@@Notmyname1593 likewise, never pulled an all nighter resulting in top 5% grades. You'd think the disorientation would ward people away from pulling all nighters but each to their own
Bravo! The first step to fix a problem is to understand there is one. I had horrible sleep related experiences in a hospital for both cancer, and ironically, a sleep disorder study.
Absolutely. Cause when you drink you can still kinda control it, take quiet streets, go a little slower. (I'm absolutely not advocating drunk driving.). But I've gotten into a (thank Gd) very small accident because I fell asleep between two red lights so I was braking from about 15mph and I just closed my eyes for 10 seconds. But, if you're going on a long dark road, half awake, once you get to 40+ mph, no matter what, it's going to be a horrific accident.
I’m listening to this driving home from the grave yard shift after only getting 3 & 1/2 hours of sleep. This is so true. I’ve almost died on the way home too many times to count. Sleep deprivation bus becoming the norm
I’ve been a commercial driver, the past 6 years as a long haul truck driver. The medical field needs to have as strict laws of sleep and work as us stupid truck drivers they have our lives in their hands as much as we do
I can confirm the lack of training on sleep. I'm about 2/3 of the way through my classwork in medical school and we've had one lecture on sleep apnea (1 hour) and about 40 minutes of sleep EEGs. Sprinkled throughout a lecture series on epilepsy. Granted we haven't done psych yet, and I would expect to hit it at least a little bit in that class, but still.
I’m a nurse. I have been advocating for this for 10 years. It’s hopeless. The amount of money a hospital could lose if we didn’t keep patients up would be astronomical. Keep them up= more medications, more eating, increase stays, use of resources at night ALL EQUALL MORE MONEY. It’s best for health recovery, but it’s not cost effective for hospitals. If a patient is sleeping for 33% of their stay, we potentially lose 33% of additional money. (Most hospitals divide the day into three).
I always mentioned this to my Army commanders, the response was always "I once went 30 hours without sleep." It was frustrating because THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH what I was saying and really just threw the conversation in another direction. I also went without sleep for 30 hours, probably far more times than the officers, but I also know that it was dangerous and downright stupid, especially when you're in the middle of learning new skills and training. It makes absolutely no sense. Even in combat you're more likely to get killed or worse accidentally make a mistake and kill someone on your side. Not to mention the suicidal issues and medical issues it causes. ABSOLUTELY STUPID.
He's spot on....when I was a resident, I was practically guaranteed to make an error by the 3rd day...what's more I've been in single car accidents 3 times during residents.
@JRE Clips please add the titles/accolades of Joe’s guests. It’s nice to know who’s talking, whether they’re an authority in the subject and why they’re worth listening to. Even just “Professor” or “DJ” if you can’t add a brief bio. Love the content. Great conversations. Great talking points. Great food for thought. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I have always wondered about this... my dad has heart surgery that lasted over 9 hours. I couldn’t imagine doing something for 9hours straight with no breaks.
This is exactly why i’ve always felt uncomfortable when Arnold Schwarzenegger says “sleep 6 hours!” He is an advocate for health and fitness but he doesn’t actually know how beneficial sleep is and that a lack of it is detrimental to one’s health. Mister Rogers prioritized a solid 8 hours of sleep everyday without interruption!
I'm a nursing student and will be doing my thesis on irregular shift work and nurses. I noticed the problem immediately during my practical placements. This is here in Finland where things are relatively acceptable compared to the comments im reading from US/Canada.
As someone who has had life threatening surgery, the speculation that the surgeon not having a good nights sleep the night before would have increased the risk of a major error by 170% is terrifying...
I worked in an auto plant and we had a 12 hour rule. The maximum you could work was 12 consecutive hours. The work quality decreases beyond those 12 hours and worker injury increases significantly.
Sleep is vital, and in my experience, there is a night and day difference between well rested and sleep deprived. When I've had a crappy night of sleep, a lot of my body systems are just out of whack. The most notable one for me is I'm constantly shitting and gassy because my GI system is all messed up.
As someone who just graduated university and is going into public accounting, I’ve heard a ton of people BRAG about how little sleep they get which has always gotten on my nerves a bit. Take care of yourselves people and prioritize your health
Canada has some highway signs saying stuff like a lack of sleep kills. That’s about all I’ve seen but his info is really awesome😱👌. Some people I know really need to hear this
Well thank God i don't have this problem. When I was a student I'd sleep easy 10 hours a day, even when working full time I'm sleeping 8, and if I'm unemployed, forget it, that's 12 hours a day B. I'm tryna live to 200
Resident in the USA here. Nowadays there are strict limits set on resident hours. For example, you can't average more than 80 hour workweeks and no shifts longer than 28 hours.
I am 17, still in high school, have almost always wanted to become a doctor specifically a neurosurgeon. Although honestly in the past year I have really been questioning this choice. Hell even the doctors at an internship I am going to don’t seem to happy about their job. I am not really sure at all anymore
I say go for it. In any field a lot of people aren't happy with some things and complain, so it's better to do something that you'll enjoy parts of and pays well. The doctors who complain might not have had as deep an interest in medicine than you, so they get annoyed more easily because they don't find the job as personally rewarding.
In the Army, I did a 48 hr straight marathon shift and I can tell you, your brain is absolutely mush by the 32nd hour. Hallucinations, lack of motor control, etc.
I was in the hospital with chest pains some years ago, and the damn doctors woke me up at least 4 times during the night.Left much more exhausted than when I arrived.
Increased risks are meaningless without a baseline risk. This is super important because if we're talking 10/15,000 people in a study and a 170% increase risk, that's only a few more cases compared to say, a 170% increased risk on a study with 5000/15000 baseline risk.
I was 5 years old when I was in the hospital for some kind of neck infection. One night after the nurses had woken me up something like 8 or 9 times to check I was "still okay" after multiple nights of similar incidents, my father finally put his foot down and demanded they not check on me unless something was seriously wrong. After a night of decent sleep, things began to clear up.
This is why nurses are the backbone of the hospital/medical community. I can’t even tell you how many times a resident has given me an order for a patient and I knew it was the wrong thing to do. In that situation I politely mention a different order and ask if we should do that instead. If they don’t budge, I call a different resident under I get the right answer.
Is this from the episode Joey Diaz mentioned. I forgot to check it out but he has mentioned in many places that the JRE episode with the sleep doctor guy helped improve his life a lot. Been meaning to watch it and this just got recommended to me
When I was in the hospital and they would wake me up at 6.30 am, I argued with the doctors: "How am I to recover, when you guys don't let me get more than 7 hours of sleep?" They didn't have an answer.
I’ve never understood the sleep deprived mentality of ER administrators. Nurses and doctors should be required to go home after 11 hours of work.
Hrafn Vanr completely agree! Treat them like truck drivers but even better
11 hours tops, even 11 hour night shift is pushing it, having worked 11 hour night shifts before, by the end my mind was blank and I couldn’t think about anything
Or create 3 shift workday, where each person gets to work 8 hours, only downside is that some will sleep during daytime
It was shocking for me to learn that one of my relative when she was doing residency at hospital in Calgary Canada, she was doing 24 hours shift, at the end of shift, she drove home by herself, it scared me just to hear it, and its ongoing, not even like random days, she went back for another 24 hours shift after a 24 hours break. Insane.
I've worked 16 hour shifts when I was a nurse and some of the docs would work 24 hour shift, sleep in their vehicles and work another triple. They were not in a good mood.
Advocating for more sleep is something I can get behind
I'll nap to that buddy!
@@TheMrWelshy love this comment 😂
There should be a 3 way balance to life everyday 8 hrs of sleep to rejuvenate your body, 8 hrs of work or other main responsibility to do and 8 hrs of free time including going to the bathroom, eating, driving, TV and phone stuff etc
In the Air Force, we have to have Commander approval for a +12 hour shift. But after 16 hours, we are no longer responsible for our own actions. Do you want an aircraft mechanic that has been in the heat for 20+ hours fixing a critical problem for YOUR next flight? How about loading bombs or working in the Air Traffic Control tower? I didn't think so. The medical profession should adopt this rule.
We have an issue with this in the Army... Soldiers operating weapons and crewing armored vehicles with little to no sleep for days and even weeks. I saw a tank almost go over a cliff during training at Ft. Knox in 2008 due to minimal crew rest.
The navy had no such rule. I did 18 hours on, 6 off for months.
The Air Force, unlike the other branches, recognize that human dignity and needs being met is necessary for unit cohesion.
Sleep?!? There's plenty time to rest in the grave.
Maintainer in the houseeee fuck i should be asleep
Joe "most people don't realize" Rogan
useless reply> too much looking at comments > felt hey had too, probably time to get a job
jgzero18
They don't.
This meme is great.
jgzero18 bbbbbbbb
Literally as I read this he said it lmao
It's strangely comedic to me to imagine that the people disliking this video are anti-sleep activists. "NO SLEEP, ALL DAY. THROW YOUR PILLOWS A-WAY."
ipsofacto that’s hilarious bro
probably rich folk wanting us to work longer, faster, harder, and for less pay.. boo sleep is only for the rich..lol
Probably people that dislike JRE in general and dislike everything aka haters
Baahahaaa!!
@@jokarr9349 I agree, and you better love your job too.
Fascinating stuff. Totally concur with what they are saying about medical residents. When I was in the Navy, even during heavy training sessions simulating battle conditions, the minimum was 8 hours on, 8 hours off. The need for sleep and relaxation was paramount to our success as a unit. Why the medical profession would make a resident endure 30 hours on is mind-numbingly stupid. These are critical jobs with life-altering consequences. A major change is needed.
Doug Morgan 8 hours on 8 hours how.. we did sleep deprivation exercises for weeks . Some weeks 2-3 days without sleep. Stop talking bollocks mate
Redders6038 R Mate, you weren't in the U.S. Navy so fuck off
That makes me very happy that the military does it right, that’s awesome that they don’t have any detrimental pointless traditions.
Not all military does it right. I worked a 12 hour shift 5 days in a row.(5 off) Which was basically a 14-16 hour shift. Wake up. Work out. Eat breakfast. Post. Return from your 12 hour shift. Eat shower and relax before bed. Sometimes we would be stuck(I was stationed in Montana) for another shift. Being up for 24 hours straight was a nightmare. The fact they were fine with us driving back was a joke. I could barley keep the vehicle straight. They are right about you basically being impaired with that much lack of sleep.
Doug Morgan you son are a Walter Mitty!!!!
"After 20 hours of being awake, you're as impaired as you would be if you were legally drunk." - Matthew Walker
Now that's a mind-blowing fact.
TheKhal its a pretty well known fact. I’ve heard 17 hours in the past
What if you're drunk and stayed up that late
Yet you can be arrested for driving without having slept. Interesting.
You sound like a doubting naysayer.
*claim
Also don't forget that being legally drunk is not the same as being "out of it". It doesn't take much to be legally drunk
It is absolutely vital and crucial for joe to have people like this on his podcast. Not only are we being enlightened, but this information could legitimately save yours or a loved ones life, very grateful for some of the guests on here
Too bad the loved ones won't listen or follow it 😂
I need to get some damn sleep....
do it pingy. good videos u have
OMGOMGOMG Hi.
Your videos are FUCKING AMAZING.
PINGTR1P you are the reason I dont get enough sleep, im always awake watching your cuts
+Pingtr1p
You like the word "damn" a lot - seemingly. I think you need to first lose some "damn" weight though. Of course it won't fix the unsightly appearance between your shoulders, but still... A man needs to be healthy. The body is a man's temple, and when a man disregards his temple to such extent as you have, it is an indication of a serious lack of discipline, and a sign of a fundamentally emasculated mind. : )
This is just common sense. I always hated the “sleep less” rhetoric. I sleep from 10pm to 5.30 am and I love every second of it.
John V. England Check out his podcast on Rhonda Patrick. He states we're more adapted towards 9 hours of sleep.
@@stevebia7063 Nah, there's no one-size-fits-all solution to sleep just like there isn't one for diet. My dad has averaged 5h of sleep every night for as long as he can remember. He just feels completely rested and can't stay in bed for longer. If I would try to sleep for 9h I'd just lie in bed waiting for my alarm to go off. I'm already awake at 5 most days and just kinda snoozing, waiting for the 5.30 alarm to go off. That's 7h of sleep and it's plenty for me. My wife can easily sleep for 9 or 10 hours though.
@@johnvictorengland7703 I guess, just saying what he found as a general tendency, not as an absolute.
@@stevebia7063 Yeah I understand. I just hate blanket statements because humans are governed by their genetics to such a great extent. It's like when people see a vegan guy who is 50 but looks like 35 - they immediately assume it's the diet. Then the next day somebody else sees a guy on the carnivore diet with the same results and they again think that it's the diet. No. It probably isn't. The diet may or may not help - but their looks are primarily due to their genetics. Just like you can't look like Brad Pitt by changing your diet, you're not gonna shave off 15 years of your life by sticking to a rigorous diet. Genetics is omnipotent. If both of your parents had heart attacks in their 40s then you probably will too. Maybe with diet and exercise you can push it to 50 but you can't outrun your genetics.
I go 11/12-7am, it’s been real REM sleep
Watching this knowing that I have to sleep and wake up in 5 hours. Yikes.
Ben bro, for real... wtf. And I look back on my schooling days and thinking about how sleep deprived I was then, it explains A LOT.
Thats me right now too, lol
Ben same.
Ben wah balls - Blink 182
Also plagued with insomnia...wtf? I didn't used to have this problem. What changed?
Ever since I found Matthew walker, I’ve been trying to get at least 8 hours of sleep. And wow I’ve been seeing major results, my grades and my focus have been at their highest
There's should be a 3 way balance to life everyday 8 hrs of sleep to rejuvenate your body, 8 hrs of work or main responsibility to do and 8 hrs including going to the bathroom, eating, driving, TV, interacting with people and phone stuff etc
You can tell how young so many commenters here are based on how they criticize the idea that sleep is really important. Wait until you start aging. Your body will feel wrecked from lack of sleep.
perfectibility999 yes years of working nights taught my body to stay awake.
I use to sleep every other night,after 48hrs awake I'd sleep for 10-12hrs,in mid 30s now "not that old" but if I'm awake for over 24hrs I'm a brain dead zombie. Don't know how I use to do it so easily back then.
Yep. I was in the service and my sleep schedule was fucked. Worked a 5 days on 5 days off schedule. Those 5 days of work were from 6pm-6am. Basically 14-16 hour days. Then I came back on base and had to get back on a normal sleep schedule. Since we had some sort of training/firing qual on our 4th or 5th day off. I was a fucking zombie. Even at age 20 my body was in ruins.
Im 22 and feel this way
So fucking true. I remember that I could stay up to 3-6am playing video games when I was 16-19. Now I am 28 and fuck this I can do max do 1-2am and I say FUCK IT IMA GO SLEEP NOW BABY. I also think that doing that back in my teenage years did affect me mentally and emotionally. It could be nr 1 reason why I felt depressed then.
Its true i am a doctor and his podcast has more info on sleep than any textbook i have ever read in the curriculum
Joe Rogan should release an app that makes you feel like everything you say is fascinating
Me: "I went to the shop earlier"
Rogan app: "Woah!"
Me: "Bought some chocolate"
Rogan app: "That's insane!"
'you're blowing my mind'
Fascinating
Woooooooooooooooowwwww.....
Quite perplexing...
Lmao
This guy: 1 in 20 will kill a patient
Rogan: If you have a hundred, they'll kill 5!!
Quick maths.
wow great observation
Every day man's on the Block, smoke trees 😂
Buying drugs does that
Haha it doesnt sound any more crazy either
But he actually said 5 are gonna kill someone
Anyone else watching this at 3 AM when you should be asleep?😂
Yup
It’s fuckn 6 am and still not sleeping 😂😂
No but I'll probably be awake watching some bullshit to fill the void while I fail to sleep
Yup 3:19 AM and I got a 9 AM lecture today
2:57am rn 😭😭🤣
I spent 3 years working as an EMT on 24 hour schedules. They would regularly drag on to 26 and sometimes 30 hour shifts due to extra calls. I also worked in a hospital and the fact of the matter is that we are short handed as hell for good people right now and it’s a terrifying fact that results in most of us just having to handle lifesaving situations under immense levels of sleep deprivation.
Most of us just go straight to chain smoking and drinking caffeine by the gallon and blowing our own personal health off to help patients. And that’s just expected at almost any healthcare job.
This man is apparently in his 40s... Get your sleep people
47 atm, 45 when the podcast aired, mind blowing
He looks like he’s in his mid 20’s, Jesus Christ.
It’s thebhaircut
Haircut
saghar14 hell no where you from
it's sad how elon musk was all over social media for taking a puff off a blunt but detrimental information like this just gets ignored for the most part
When I was sick in hospital, they woke me up every night to offer me sleeping pills. I’m not joking.
Somebody needs to be more assertive
@@bingbashbosh1 nope he is right, I'd tell these nurses to fuck off if they did that
Wtaf!!
Even when I had zero problems sleeping they'd prescribe me sleeping pills. They gave me olanzipine which was painful. It made me need to hit my arms and legs to get rid of the electric pain feeling in my limbs. Wack.
@@bingbashbosh1 why tho? He's right
Joe is a champ for bringing light to these podcast subject and adds personality to the topic. Love u joe
Yeah he says some dumb shit sometimes but stuff like this makes up for it.
@@fondofthebonds4914 nothing needs to make up for it. He's just a guy. He has no obligation to be informed and fact check things for audience.
@@paulgreengod this is true. Just speaking for myself personally
I got shivers at that final point. That was the most well articulated long explanation I've ever heard. I've never become so informed in such a short time.
I'm not a big Joe Rogan fan but he brings in such a huge variety of guests with so many great things to say. I for one will continue to watch
I was a resident and it killed a part of my soul. I once worked non stop from Friday morning till Sunday morning and felt like I was going to die. We had 24 hour weekend calls that end on Monday morning. I begged my senior to take the pager from me for at least 3 hours. Yea, in 3 days I only slept 3 hours then picked up until Monday afternoon because after a weekend call you are expected to come back to work again on Monday (maybe a kind attending would give you 3 hours of sleep on Monday). It was inhumane and reckless!
I used to do this at festivals and I can surely say that I will never do It again
What happened?? Did you keep the job?
@@HappysweaterBunch nope. I graduated and left.
True story my friend was a surgical resident in the early 90s.... he just got off an crazy long shift and was so tired when he got to his car in the parking lot, he just set his back on the headrest for a minute and fell asleep... when he woke up it was time to go back to work. At that moment he said fuck it and quit surgery. He’s a successful nephrologist today
I love how enthusiastic this guy is about his field of expertise, makes for a far more interesting podcast than many other guests Joe has had on
Joe "I've never done cocaine" Rogan
GD McK I believe it
was scrolling down looking for this
'It's tremendous"
what an SOb loser
Really fascinating
Maybe there's a reason doctors call it "practice"
You don`t learn shit if you don`t sleep. A lot of schoolkids make the same mistake when cramming for exams. I always chose sleep over studying through the night and I did better than most. And practice is a part of learning as well.
@@Notmyname1593 likewise, never pulled an all nighter resulting in top 5% grades. You'd think the disorientation would ward people away from pulling all nighters but each to their own
Bravo! The first step to fix a problem is to understand there is one. I had horrible sleep related experiences in a hospital for both cancer, and ironically, a sleep disorder study.
I’d rather drive drunk than with 24 hours or more of no sleep
Absolutely. Cause when you drink you can still kinda control it, take quiet streets, go a little slower. (I'm absolutely not advocating drunk driving.). But I've gotten into a (thank Gd) very small accident because I fell asleep between two red lights so I was braking from about 15mph and I just closed my eyes for 10 seconds. But, if you're going on a long dark road, half awake, once you get to 40+ mph, no matter what, it's going to be a horrific accident.
Hope not bud
I’m listening to this driving home from the grave yard shift after only getting 3 & 1/2 hours of sleep. This is so true. I’ve almost died on the way home too many times to count. Sleep deprivation bus becoming the norm
Get some sleep bro
Joe “I have a friend” Rogan
Joe "I got doctor friends" Rogan
Yea, friends whose name rhymes with (Doey Jiaz.)
Joe "a buddy of mine" Rogan
Sleep was easy to do back in the day, the stresses of life really do make sleep a different experience
If Donald Trump had a kid with Macklemore.
Whose to say they didnt......
*dum dun dun!*
Can't unsee that
more like donny trump and shaun white
Braveheart Physique Young Chuck Norris
lol Donald Trump plus Macklemore = Harvey dent
My gawd it's so freaking awesome to listen to a true professional, it's just peace for my brain.
This podcast is depriving me of sleep....worth it.
Joe "wow, that's crazy" Rogan
looks like dave Chappelle when he was white on his show
CHUCK TAYLOR!
holllly shit you made my day! ahah
So true 😂
LOL! Good catch!!!
Hahaha!
Bravo to Joe sometimes he just has such informative guests on and its does so much good for people. Such a good thing to do with such a big platform.
I’ve been a commercial driver, the past 6 years as a long haul truck driver. The medical field needs to have as strict laws of sleep and work as us stupid truck drivers they have our lives in their hands as much as we do
The wealth of knowledge contained in your show is incredible. Thank you Joe and I thank all your guests
When he says “its a fascinating story!!” He seems like a well rested man
I can confirm the lack of training on sleep. I'm about 2/3 of the way through my classwork in medical school and we've had one lecture on sleep apnea (1 hour) and about 40 minutes of sleep EEGs. Sprinkled throughout a lecture series on epilepsy. Granted we haven't done psych yet, and I would expect to hit it at least a little bit in that class, but still.
This guy looks like a young, blonde Chuck Norris
Daniel Lipko 😐❤️
He does
That's why he doesn't need sleep but sleep needs him.
I’m a nurse.
I have been advocating for this for 10 years.
It’s hopeless. The amount of money a hospital could lose if we didn’t keep patients up would be astronomical. Keep them up= more medications, more eating, increase stays, use of resources at night ALL EQUALL MORE MONEY.
It’s best for health recovery, but it’s not cost effective for hospitals. If a patient is sleeping for 33% of their stay, we potentially lose 33% of additional money. (Most hospitals divide the day into three).
“ accidental cocaine addict “ pretty sure mostly everyone doesn’t do cocaine with the objective of becoming an addict .
Very fitting Escobar profile pic😂
No one does podcasts better than you, Joe. Love the content.
I always mentioned this to my Army commanders, the response was always "I once went 30 hours without sleep." It was frustrating because THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH what I was saying and really just threw the conversation in another direction. I also went without sleep for 30 hours, probably far more times than the officers, but I also know that it was dangerous and downright stupid, especially when you're in the middle of learning new skills and training. It makes absolutely no sense. Even in combat you're more likely to get killed or worse accidentally make a mistake and kill someone on your side. Not to mention the suicidal issues and medical issues it causes. ABSOLUTELY STUPID.
INCREDIBLE INTERVIEW!!!! Thank you Matthew Walker for your research and knowledge and thank you Joe Rogan for having Matthew on your podcast!!!
watching this at 2 in the morning.
Wtf do u live
Ironic
Same bruh
Joe saves lives with these kinds of podcasts
Joe “*breathes deeply into the mic* Wow” Rogan
He's spot on....when I was a resident, I was practically guaranteed to make an error by the 3rd day...what's more I've been in single car accidents 3 times during residents.
Genuinely watching this at 3AM hoping it'll make me wanna sleep
I agree sleep is so important. I think it helps with depression also. Mood swings… and etc. I guard my sleep at all cost.
This will not fly in first world Nations. The Corporations need to work people into the ground, no such thing as sleep in the cooperate machine.
Freudian slip, corporations don't cooperate with anyone or anything
Sorry to say, but some of the first world countries dont require people to have to take 2-3 jobs to just exist and be healthy.
In 5 years they can use the robot card and make that argument redundant...
@@renel8964 yeah robot surgeons
Utter tripe. The average American works 34 hours a week. That leaves more than enough time to get proper sleep.
@JRE Clips please add the titles/accolades of Joe’s guests. It’s nice to know who’s talking, whether they’re an authority in the subject and why they’re worth listening to. Even just “Professor” or “DJ” if you can’t add a brief bio.
Love the content. Great conversations. Great talking points. Great food for thought. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I have always wondered about this... my dad has heart surgery that lasted over 9 hours. I couldn’t imagine doing something for 9hours straight with no breaks.
This show and the issues which Rogan raises is a service to the humanity
This is exactly why i’ve always felt uncomfortable when Arnold Schwarzenegger says “sleep 6 hours!” He is an advocate for health and fitness but he doesn’t actually know how beneficial sleep is and that a lack of it is detrimental to one’s health. Mister Rogers prioritized a solid 8 hours of sleep everyday without interruption!
schwarzenegger is old school, so he had to keep up with that crowd who are all meat heads lol
I'm an on call nurse and work 24+ hour shifts frequently
Joe "she's getting the better of these exchanges " Rogan
I'm a nursing student and will be doing my thesis on irregular shift work and nurses. I noticed the problem immediately during my practical placements. This is here in Finland where things are relatively acceptable compared to the comments im reading from US/Canada.
As someone who has had life threatening surgery, the speculation that the surgeon not having a good nights sleep the night before would have increased the risk of a major error by 170% is terrifying...
This guy is spot on.
Watching this after staying up 34 hours to complete projects at University. The irony is too real.
Get some sleep bro!
I worked in an auto plant and we had a 12 hour rule. The maximum you could work was 12 consecutive hours. The work quality decreases beyond those 12 hours and worker injury increases significantly.
I'm watching this instead of sleeping.
Facts
Sleep is vital, and in my experience, there is a night and day difference between well rested and sleep deprived. When I've had a crappy night of sleep, a lot of my body systems are just out of whack. The most notable one for me is I'm constantly shitting and gassy because my GI system is all messed up.
"Why do they do that to residents?" thought it would be a dumb question but the guy had a full answer
This man's book on sleep is AMAZING
*me watching this at 4am
“I’m in danger”
*me watching this at 5am
“I’m good”
**me watching this at 7am**
“I’m scared”
As someone who just graduated university and is going into public accounting, I’ve heard a ton of people BRAG about how little sleep they get which has always gotten on my nerves a bit. Take care of yourselves people and prioritize your health
This guy is fascinating
Canada has some highway signs saying stuff like a lack of sleep kills. That’s about all I’ve seen but his info is really awesome😱👌.
Some people I know really need to hear this
Well thank God i don't have this problem.
When I was a student I'd sleep easy 10 hours a day, even when working full time I'm sleeping 8, and if I'm unemployed, forget it, that's 12 hours a day B.
I'm tryna live to 200
I respect you, this inspires me
Resident in the USA here. Nowadays there are strict limits set on resident hours. For example, you can't average more than 80 hour workweeks and no shifts longer than 28 hours.
I am 17, still in high school, have almost always wanted to become a doctor specifically a neurosurgeon. Although honestly in the past year I have really been questioning this choice. Hell even the doctors at an internship I am going to don’t seem to happy about their job. I am not really sure at all anymore
shushanth swinderballs it comes down to loving what you do, finding a reason beyond money to enjoy your job.
I say go for it. In any field a lot of people aren't happy with some things and complain, so it's better to do something that you'll enjoy parts of and pays well. The doctors who complain might not have had as deep an interest in medicine than you, so they get annoyed more easily because they don't find the job as personally rewarding.
Just smoke some pot it will get you through life and when times are tough and u feel like giving up.. just smoke a bowl and you will keep moving
In the Army, I did a 48 hr straight marathon shift and I can tell you, your brain is absolutely mush by the 32nd hour. Hallucinations, lack of motor control, etc.
I was in the hospital with chest pains some years ago, and the damn doctors woke me up at least 4 times during the night.Left much more exhausted than when I arrived.
everyone needs to see this. it impacts us all, patients and providers
This was scary....but very good to know.
Watching this made me lose sleep, thanks Joe Rogan.
Can confirm, medicine is absolutely an "old boys network".
Increased risks are meaningless without a baseline risk. This is super important because if we're talking 10/15,000 people in a study and a 170% increase risk, that's only a few more cases compared to say, a 170% increased risk on a study with 5000/15000 baseline risk.
My man got that Trump hair on point.
EyeShotFirst your not road ur american stop gassing about 'my man'
It's like trump after that faceapp filter that makes you young and good looking
What no one mentions is that hair is natural armor.
Fortnite Highlight your not road? Wtf does that mean? And to the other guy this mans combover isnt to hide baldness though haha
Fortnite Highlight
What is road? "My man" is very common by the way. Stop trying to own words lol.
Thats incredible
im grateful that i have enough regular sleep, it really is the basis of health
I was 5 years old when I was in the hospital for some kind of neck infection. One night after the nurses had woken me up something like 8 or 9 times to check I was "still okay" after multiple nights of similar incidents, my father finally put his foot down and demanded they not check on me unless something was seriously wrong. After a night of decent sleep, things began to clear up.
This is why nurses are the backbone of the hospital/medical community. I can’t even tell you how many times a resident has given me an order for a patient and I knew it was the wrong thing to do. In that situation I politely mention a different order and ask if we should do that instead. If they don’t budge, I call a different resident under I get the right answer.
Before my grandmother passed she said she never got sleep in the hospital
David damn, sorry brother. That’s not cool.
друг she was interrupted all the time by nurses, plus they kept comming in to badger her about how she was going to pay
David that’s fucked up man. My grandpa recently passed away in a nursing home, so I’m wondering if it was the same for him, I hope not. 😢
Don’t forget ems to, we do 24s or 48s and sometimes have to be up the whole time
Watching this cause i cant sleep
So important yet never addressed.
Just for anyone that doesn’t know, this man is almost 50
Is this from the episode Joey Diaz mentioned. I forgot to check it out but he has mentioned in many places that the JRE episode with the sleep doctor guy helped improve his life a lot. Been meaning to watch it and this just got recommended to me
When I was in the hospital and they would wake me up at 6.30 am, I argued with the doctors: "How am I to recover, when you guys don't let me get more than 7 hours of sleep?" They didn't have an answer.
the iq of doctors is at an all time low, by the time they get employed and get in the swing of it, their intelligence drops like a rock
This is the most interesting guest to me
Yeah I'm deffinetly going to sleep now.
You just precisely described the plot of the TV Show The Knick - which was an awesome show!!!!!