An interesting movement, I recently acquired a Bessa triple crown world timer which has this movement in, seems Mortima sold these to small houses to be rebranded and I am pleased as punch with it as it has the pleasing blue checker inner bezel and a most unusual barrel shaped case,
Thanks for this video, as a newbie I found it very useful years later! I’ve been given an in-laws old starmaster superdatomatic which wouldn’t tick or set. It uses the same movement. Did you find anyone selling spares for this? I found the balance staff broken and hairspring twisted. Also the yoke on the keyless which should have a bend to be broken so the clutch wheel doesn’t engage. I know it’s not worth anything but was hoping to sort it out for them.
That's one of the normal types of dial feet clamp. The other bring the small screws in the side. Modern Seiko are nearly all push fit but I'm always wary of levering when it's an unfamiliar one and you can't see obvious dial feet clamps.
Do you have a reassembly video? I would like to know how the balance jewel was handled, how you polished that crystal, and if you got it working. Thanks!
Sadly no for this. The capstones are not designed to be removed and there was too much wear to get this one running suitably again. If I ever pick up a spare I'll revisit it.
@@spidiq8 Well the video was enjoyable to watch. Thank you. That balance jewel is interesting. Maybe they figured it would just be thrown away. Or maybe it could be flushed out and reoiled. Always interesting to see these old movements! Thanks!
@@gregleingang9409 Thank you, glad you enjoyed it. I believe these were designed as throwaway movements or to have parts replaced wholesale rather than disassembled. Late 70's and early 80's had many cheap skin divers using similar movements. The only thing you could do is sit the plate and balance cock in some one dip or similar and try to clean it as best you could then to re oil you'd either need an automatic oiler or a thin wire to draw oil through from the hole jewel.
Did you manage to completely reassemble the movement? Because in France they were renowned for being inexpensive and difficult to dismantle watches, which could be bought in supermarkets. I like your video, it may help someone who wants to save one. Greetings from France !
Yes, reassembly isn't a problem, complete disassembly in a non destructive way is however, impossible and this movement is simply not designed to be serviced and stripped and reassembled.
The anser to this is always, 'maybe'. Is there a direct replacement drop in? No, the only exception to this rule so far is the Seiko NHXX series which will replace the 7S26 movement.
I don't for sure but as they're not under undue stress in use I suspect a quick dip shouldn't hurt them. Don't leave them in for long though. The plastic send to be a hpda or teflon type, the former of which fuel cans are made from but that's purely guessing.
@@FPSWildlifeAngler Provided it's running accurately and doesn't need a service yes, you pull the crown out to set the time and push it back in to the fully closed position to wind the mainspring.
I would happily do a giveaway, sadly the owner of it wouldn't be so happy. 😂 Watch this space though. (Watch, haha). I will be doing something to give away some very useful tools including movement holders, balance truing calipers and a micrometer. 🙂
It's very much a product of it's time, in the late 70's and early 80's skin divers and pin pallets were synonymous with each other. Pin pallets were cheap mass produced movements designed to fight the huge surge in popularity of the emerging quartz and were something of a last ditch attempt. Considering they were never intended to last long and were really designed as 'throwaway' movements, the fact that there are so many still ticking and keeping reasonable time today really says something. As pin pallets go, excepting the strange rubbed in type cap jewels, these seem better than the commonly seen BFG and EB
An interesting movement, I recently acquired a Bessa triple crown world timer which has this movement in, seems Mortima sold these to small houses to be rebranded and I am pleased as punch with it as it has the pleasing blue checker inner bezel and a most unusual barrel shaped case,
Thanks for this video, as a newbie I found it very useful years later!
I’ve been given an in-laws old starmaster superdatomatic which wouldn’t tick or set. It uses the same movement.
Did you find anyone selling spares for this? I found the balance staff broken and hairspring twisted.
Also the yoke on the keyless which should have a bend to be broken so the clutch wheel doesn’t engage.
I know it’s not worth anything but was hoping to sort it out for them.
Thank you very much for this upload. I looking for this!!
I am just working on one of these at the moment. On mine there is a pillar that you turn 180 deg that unlock the dial feet, then it just slides out.
That's one of the normal types of dial feet clamp. The other bring the small screws in the side. Modern Seiko are nearly all push fit but I'm always wary of levering when it's an unfamiliar one and you can't see obvious dial feet clamps.
@@spidiq8 good heads up not come across one yet.
Do you have a reassembly video? I would like to know how the balance jewel was handled, how you polished that crystal, and if you got it working. Thanks!
Sadly no for this. The capstones are not designed to be removed and there was too much wear to get this one running suitably again.
If I ever pick up a spare I'll revisit it.
@@spidiq8 Well the video was enjoyable to watch. Thank you. That balance jewel is interesting. Maybe they figured it would just be thrown away. Or maybe it could be flushed out and reoiled. Always interesting to see these old movements! Thanks!
@@gregleingang9409 Thank you, glad you enjoyed it. I believe these were designed as throwaway movements or to have parts replaced wholesale rather than disassembled. Late 70's and early 80's had many cheap skin divers using similar movements.
The only thing you could do is sit the plate and balance cock in some one dip or similar and try to clean it as best you could then to re oil you'd either need an automatic oiler or a thin wire to draw oil through from the hole jewel.
Did you manage to completely reassemble the movement? Because in France they were renowned for being inexpensive and difficult to dismantle watches, which could be bought in supermarkets. I like your video, it may help someone who wants to save one. Greetings from France !
Yes, reassembly isn't a problem, complete disassembly in a non destructive way is however, impossible and this movement is simply not designed to be serviced and stripped and reassembled.
Hello can I replace the cattin c66 movement of my Mortima 28 Superdatomatic Skin Diver with another more precise model? thanks
The anser to this is always, 'maybe'.
Is there a direct replacement drop in? No, the only exception to this rule so far is the Seiko NHXX series which will replace the 7S26 movement.
Do you happen to know if those plastic jewel bushings are effected by ipa or other cleaning fluids ?
I don't for sure but as they're not under undue stress in use I suspect a quick dip shouldn't hurt them. Don't leave them in for long though. The plastic send to be a hpda or teflon type, the former of which fuel cans are made from but that's purely guessing.
Grazie
I have one like this and where do I find the battery?
This is a mechanical watch, hand winding, there is no battery.
@@spidiq8 so I just wind it up and it automatically tells the time
@@FPSWildlifeAngler Provided it's running accurately and doesn't need a service yes, you pull the crown out to set the time and push it back in to the fully closed position to wind the mainspring.
@@spidiq8 thanks so mutch will try it
Great video sir!
Would love to win this in a giveaway ;)
I would happily do a giveaway, sadly the owner of it wouldn't be so happy. 😂
Watch this space though. (Watch, haha). I will be doing something to give away some very useful tools including movement holders, balance truing calipers and a micrometer. 🙂
@@spidiq8 those would be amazing as well ;)
wowwww
It looks like a really cheap and nasty movement!? Are they any good?
It's very much a product of it's time, in the late 70's and early 80's skin divers and pin pallets were synonymous with each other. Pin pallets were cheap mass produced movements designed to fight the huge surge in popularity of the emerging quartz and were something of a last ditch attempt.
Considering they were never intended to last long and were really designed as 'throwaway' movements, the fact that there are so many still ticking and keeping reasonable time today really says something.
As pin pallets go, excepting the strange rubbed in type cap jewels, these seem better than the commonly seen BFG and EB
عندي إثنين مثل هذا الساعة القديمة رقم 17/28لكن لا يشتغل هل من مهتم بي الأمر
من المحتمل أن أكون مهتمًا بها للأجزاء / قطع الغيار ، يرجى الرد علي إذا كنت تريد التخلص منها. شكرًا.
Tamiya for the win!
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Одноразовый механизм.