I think Oppenheimer realized there was no stopping the bomb, both the creation and the usage of it. I think his moral dilemma was more to do with the fact that he thought he could have a bigger impact on the conversation afterwards, and that ended up not panning out the way he hoped.
Yeah it seemed to me like he thought military minds wouldn't respect what nuclear power really was until it was used. Then once it was used, the world could say "Ok, here's the line. Here's where we can destroy ourselves." and then take a step back from that and work together to ensure we don't reach that point..... instead they just sprinted past that line pretty much immediately.
I have read other scholars that talk about Oppie feeling guilty because he felt that he had only enabled the bomb to be completed in time for it to be used on the Japanese.
I think their was also an element of mad scientist. They didn't sound like they were mad scientist, but I think there is a bit of that in all scientists at that level...they put themselves on a train where they really wanted to see it work.
You really got the movie, many didnt. The movie youre thinking about is Dr Strangelove by the way. The characters appearance was based on Edward Teller.
Sir Kenneth Branagh, the director of some great Shakespeare adaptations including "Hamlet" and "Much Ado About Nothing", "Thor" and "Murder On The Orient Express". And he does a lot of work with Nolan.
Trinity test was the detonation of an implosion design bomb that was nearly identical to the one that was dropped on Nagasaki. The only major difference is that the Trinity device was not encased in an aerodynamic bomb shell with complex fusing mechanisms...that was not needed since the Trinity device was set up on top of that 100 foot tall tower. I hope YT does not delete this. Fun fact...the plane that dropped the atomic bombs...the B-29...cost even more to develop than the atomic bomb. The Manhattan Project spent about $2 billion...but the B-29 development process spent at least $3 billion to get the plane working well enough to carry the bombs to the targets. It is a terrific movie...and there are very few things in it that are not accurate to the real history. I guess the biggest "issue" with it is that it gives the impression that Fuchs was the only spy at Los Alamos...in reality there were at least 3 more Soviet spies at Los Alamos that we know of. You should check out the article on the History versus Hollywood site...it does a good job of briefly describing the things in the movie that are not 100 percent true.
Everybody always mocks the secretary of war for taking Kyoto off the list. It actually was extremely kind. The fact that there was even a conversation of wether to drop the bomb, or not, never the less not bombing there most culturally significant city, at a time when the U.S. was engaged in a total war with a very ruthless enemy shows a ton of compassion, and forward thinking, and the fact that he honeymooned there, and had an appreciation for the city, was actually very lucky for them. If the Japanese had the bomb the only discussion would have been which target would have achieved the maximum damage. The dropping of the bombs actually did save millions of lives. Modern people have no appreciation for context of history
I like you guys. You actually watch the movie, your reactions are genuine because you're invested. So many reaction channels are aware of the camera, they play up, and act dumb. It's pretty lame. Me and my wife went to watch this on release day in theatres and the bomb scene, when the silence comes in, nobody made a sound. It was a packed out theatre and for the entire sequence there wasn't even a cough, a slurp or the rustle of a sweet wrapper. I've never been so proud of a group of strangers.
Really appreciate the kind words! Hope you keep on watching with us. Not being able to experience those in-theatre moments is really one of the unforseen drawbacks of having a reaction channel. I really do miss those moments of community and shared experience. Sounds like it was a great one!
@@PhilipManzano my ranking of all of chris nolan's movies: 1. Oppenheimer 2. The Dark Knight 3. Inception 4. Interstellar 5. Batman Begins 6. The Dark Knight Rises 7. The Prestige 8. Memento 9. Tenet 10. Insomnia 11. Dunkirk 12. Following
The satire you are probably thinking of is Kubrick's 'Dr Strangelove or HILTSWALTB'. The aspect ratio on many of Nolan's home video releases changes with respect to whether or not the frame is an IMAX transfer as opposed to the secondary film stocks he uses for the other scenes (here its 65ml) which are presented in standard cinemascope type widescreen (requiring the bars on the top and bottom to stretch the width of the screen). Great reaction have a sub x
Great reaction, thanks for posting! 50:22 Regards to aspect ratio, Nolan used both 35mm film (more rectangular aspect), as well as 70mm Imax film (more squarish aspect) to film Oppenheimer, which is why you noticed the change. Same as many of his previous movies, like Interstellar and Dunkirk. There's a cool 20min video on YT by Radioactive Drew titled "Being a Projectionist for Oppenheimer 70mm Film". There are only a few remaining Imax 70mm film projectors left in the world, and I got to see this movie on one of them in Dallas. The projectors and the amount of work that goes into using them, is amazing.
Great movie! And Alfred Nobel who invented the dynamite last lived in my town before he died. His death mask is In Björkborn manor here. Its kind of cool!
This is a great reaction. You guys were able to understand and formulate very nuanced conclusions from this movie. Not many reactors are that thoughtful with their reactions.
I thin you' guys interaction is very sweet, but you talk over a lot of the dialog trying to figure out who they are and what other movie they're from.😮 Liked regardless.😊
SO, the young Americans have to actually use movies as their history lesson...years of school and they have no clue about WW II and it only shows what little knowledge their parents obviously lacked...Oppenheimer was another tormented genius who fortunately for my parents pulled it together for the force of good versus the zombie Japanese population that PRACTICED HARIKARI for their Emperor...I was enamored with the movie sets that depicted the era to a T...Oppie unfortunately ran into the politics of the anti-commie faction in Washington that went after the Americans who were involved in the party which after the WW I had support from the workerforce that led to the union movement that has since been vilified by today's society, who would rather work two jobs then fight for a decent salary...
This whole thing would've been so much less controversial if they had just dropped them on military targets. Choosing to drop them on civilian populations was a purely selfish move on part of the U.S government. They spent billions of dollars and countless hours of labor developing this weapon, so they didn't want to drop them on small targets. They wanted the most "bang for their buck", essentially. Absolutely evaporating a chain of military-occupied islands off the coast of Japan would have been good enough. At the very least, we dropped pamphlets over many cities pleading for civilians to evacuate, but the Japanese government told everyone they were just propaganda. And sadly, many believed them.
That's kinda misrepresentation of what happened. Military bases were not really big enough to target. Also, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not just random cities. They were large manufacturing cities that the Japanese military relied on. So, hitting the cities did hold strategic value. All out war which WW2 was is very different than most modern wars. The separation between civilians and the military was not as clear. Entire countries populations were contributing to the war. For example in the US, Ford car plants were turned into tank factories. These are just civilians going to their faily job, but all of the sudden they are part of the war effort. Japan as the war went on become increasingly desperate for labour, to the point that most schools would ve helping in the manufacturing of some weapons. This was unfortunate and part of the reason why WW1 and WW2 were so horrific, especially for the countries where there had been fighting on their land. But to rap this up, the cities were technically military targets. Sad loss of life regardless of the reasoning, just as all war is.
@@wisemanofsorts6068 I get what you're saying, but I don't believe any of that rationalization bs. They wanted the war in the pacific to be over, so they picked to two cities to be wiped off the map. Shock & Awe. They knew the Japanese would have absolutely no choice but to surrender if we swiss cheese'd 200,000 of their civilians in an instant. On top of that, they chose two relatively untouched cities. Almost like they wanted an open canvas to display the weapons true power. Force Japan into submission and put on a show of force for the Soviet Union? That was a win-win in their book. The U.S love to act like they had no other choices, but they did. Plenty of them. Including: Just making the bombs fucking smaller... Something they don't touch on in this film at all - is the fact that Manhattan Project scientists purposefully worked to make them both as strong as possible. This film leads you to believe that the yield of both bombs was unpredictable, but that's the opposite of the truth. They had full control over the explosive force of both Fat Man & Little Boy.
And not for nothing...if you have never looked it up, check out Japan's Volunteer Fighting Corps...which was the military structure by which the leaders of Japan planned to conscript male civilians between the ages of 15 and 60 years, and unmarried females of 17 to 40 years to fight the Allies on the beaches to try and push the landing troops back into the sea. Granted, only 2 million or so had actually been organized to face the Allied invasion of Kyushu in November of 1945, but it is clear that any conceptions of who was a "civilian" that we may have today did not apply to the Japanese in 1945...so why would the distinction matter to US leaders? Again...if you have never learned of it...on July 21, 1945, a senior US Army Air Force intelligence officer in the Pacific distributed a report declaring: “The entire population of Japan is a proper Military Target . . . THERE ARE NO CIVILIANS IN JAPAN." As noted already, this was total war.
@@iKvetch558 "There are no civilians in Japan." How about the little CHILDREN you POS? That's the distinction that should've mattered to U.S leadership. Keep spamming away at your keyboard trying to rationalize the decision though. The U.S boot is so far down your throat you'd probably still defend them if they started nuking their own people.
I think Oppenheimer realized there was no stopping the bomb, both the creation and the usage of it. I think his moral dilemma was more to do with the fact that he thought he could have a bigger impact on the conversation afterwards, and that ended up not panning out the way he hoped.
That makes a lot more sense. The way they portrayed just how much he was cut out of it was well done.
Yeah it seemed to me like he thought military minds wouldn't respect what nuclear power really was until it was used. Then once it was used, the world could say "Ok, here's the line. Here's where we can destroy ourselves." and then take a step back from that and work together to ensure we don't reach that point..... instead they just sprinted past that line pretty much immediately.
I have read other scholars that talk about Oppie feeling guilty because he felt that he had only enabled the bomb to be completed in time for it to be used on the Japanese.
I think their was also an element of mad scientist. They didn't sound like they were mad scientist, but I think there is a bit of that in all scientists at that level...they put themselves on a train where they really wanted to see it work.
Agreed, not many movies/shows make me feel the tension this movie made me feel
So good.
You really got the movie, many didnt.
The movie youre thinking about is Dr Strangelove by the way. The characters appearance was based on Edward Teller.
Yes! Dr. Strangelove. Thank you!!
She is right. The actor playing Niels Bohr was from Harry Potter.
Haha truuue. She’ll be happy about that one.
OMG…I just now realized he was Prof. Gilderoy Lockhart in Harry Potter lol. Wow, she has a keen eye.
Sir Kenneth Branagh, the director of some great Shakespeare adaptations including "Hamlet" and "Much Ado About Nothing", "Thor" and "Murder On The Orient Express". And he does a lot of work with Nolan.
Trinity test was the detonation of an implosion design bomb that was nearly identical to the one that was dropped on Nagasaki. The only major difference is that the Trinity device was not encased in an aerodynamic bomb shell with complex fusing mechanisms...that was not needed since the Trinity device was set up on top of that 100 foot tall tower. I hope YT does not delete this.
Fun fact...the plane that dropped the atomic bombs...the B-29...cost even more to develop than the atomic bomb. The Manhattan Project spent about $2 billion...but the B-29 development process spent at least $3 billion to get the plane working well enough to carry the bombs to the targets.
It is a terrific movie...and there are very few things in it that are not accurate to the real history. I guess the biggest "issue" with it is that it gives the impression that Fuchs was the only spy at Los Alamos...in reality there were at least 3 more Soviet spies at Los Alamos that we know of. You should check out the article on the History versus Hollywood site...it does a good job of briefly describing the things in the movie that are not 100 percent true.
Really appreciate all of this context! Love learning more about it. I’ve gotta check out that website!
They deserve every award 🥇 Nolan is one of the greatest writer producer and directors
Expecting big things for them at the Academy Awards, for sure.
Everybody always mocks the secretary of war for taking Kyoto off the list. It actually was extremely kind. The fact that there was even a conversation of wether to drop the bomb, or not, never the less not bombing there most culturally significant city, at a time when the U.S. was engaged in a total war with a very ruthless enemy shows a ton of compassion, and forward thinking, and the fact that he honeymooned there, and had an appreciation for the city, was actually very lucky for them. If the Japanese had the bomb the only discussion would have been which target would have achieved the maximum damage. The dropping of the bombs actually did save millions of lives. Modern people have no appreciation for context of history
I like you guys. You actually watch the movie, your reactions are genuine because you're invested.
So many reaction channels are aware of the camera, they play up, and act dumb. It's pretty lame.
Me and my wife went to watch this on release day in theatres and the bomb scene, when the silence comes in, nobody made a sound. It was a packed out theatre and for the entire sequence there wasn't even a cough, a slurp or the rustle of a sweet wrapper. I've never been so proud of a group of strangers.
Really appreciate the kind words! Hope you keep on watching with us.
Not being able to experience those in-theatre moments is really one of the unforseen drawbacks of having a reaction channel. I really do miss those moments of community and shared experience. Sounds like it was a great one!
my favorite movie of last year, favorite movie of the decade so far, and the best christopher nolan movie EVER
Definitely deserving of all the awards.
@@PhilipManzano my ranking of all of chris nolan's movies:
1. Oppenheimer
2. The Dark Knight
3. Inception
4. Interstellar
5. Batman Begins
6. The Dark Knight Rises
7. The Prestige
8. Memento
9. Tenet
10. Insomnia
11. Dunkirk
12. Following
My favorite part of your videos is that you continue to show the most important parts of the films/shows to which you react. Great work keep it up 👊
Thank you 🙏🏼
The black and white scenes were from Strauss’s point of view.
🙏🙏 thank you!
The satire you are probably thinking of is Kubrick's 'Dr Strangelove or HILTSWALTB'.
The aspect ratio on many of Nolan's home video releases changes with respect to whether or not the frame is an IMAX transfer as opposed to the secondary film stocks he uses for the other scenes (here its 65ml) which are presented in standard cinemascope type widescreen (requiring the bars on the top and bottom to stretch the width of the screen).
Great reaction have a sub x
Great reaction, thanks for posting!
50:22 Regards to aspect ratio, Nolan used both 35mm film (more rectangular aspect), as well as 70mm Imax film (more squarish aspect) to film Oppenheimer, which is why you noticed the change. Same as many of his previous movies, like Interstellar and Dunkirk.
There's a cool 20min video on YT by Radioactive Drew titled "Being a Projectionist for Oppenheimer 70mm Film". There are only a few remaining Imax 70mm film projectors left in the world, and I got to see this movie on one of them in Dallas. The projectors and the amount of work that goes into using them, is amazing.
I’ve dreamed of them making this movie since I was 8 years old
I’m surprised it took this long for one this big.
You should watch “the wind that shakes the barley” great Cillian Murphy movie
Ouuu. We will add it to the list!
Great movie! And Alfred Nobel who invented the dynamite last lived in my town before he died. His death mask is In Björkborn manor here. Its kind of cool!
That's so interesting! Is it something that the public can access?
@@PhilipManzano yes, everyone can see it!:)
Fantastic film! Great reaction
BTW Gary Oldman is only 65. Hopefully he has a lot more time left.
The first H-bomb was as big as a house. But we learned to make it as small as a bread box ;-(
😩😩
you guys not knowing the films of the great Emily Blunt triggered me a bit haha, but nice reaction !
haha it's shameful, I know. She's so good.
You guys need to edit one part out, it wasnt blurred out before the vid demonetized. Its at 31.53
Great catch! Haha. Thank you 🙏🙏
This is a great reaction. You guys were able to understand and formulate very nuanced conclusions from this movie. Not many reactors are that thoughtful with their reactions.
I thin you' guys interaction is very sweet, but you talk over a lot of the dialog trying to figure out who they are and what other movie they're from.😮
Liked regardless.😊
wow, y'all got the whole movie?
Somehow there’s still close to 2 hours on the cutting room floor 😅
SO, the young Americans have to actually use movies as their history lesson...years of school and they have no clue about WW II and it only shows what little knowledge their parents obviously lacked...Oppenheimer was another tormented genius who fortunately for my parents pulled it together for the force of good versus the zombie Japanese population that PRACTICED HARIKARI for their Emperor...I was enamored with the movie sets that depicted the era to a T...Oppie unfortunately ran into the politics of the anti-commie faction in Washington that went after the Americans who were involved in the party which after the WW I had support from the workerforce that led to the union movement that has since been vilified by today's society, who would rather work two jobs then fight for a decent salary...
peaky blinders
This whole thing would've been so much less controversial if they had just dropped them on military targets. Choosing to drop them on civilian populations was a purely selfish move on part of the U.S government. They spent billions of dollars and countless hours of labor developing this weapon, so they didn't want to drop them on small targets. They wanted the most "bang for their buck", essentially. Absolutely evaporating a chain of military-occupied islands off the coast of Japan would have been good enough. At the very least, we dropped pamphlets over many cities pleading for civilians to evacuate, but the Japanese government told everyone they were just propaganda. And sadly, many believed them.
That's kinda misrepresentation of what happened. Military bases were not really big enough to target. Also, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not just random cities. They were large manufacturing cities that the Japanese military relied on. So, hitting the cities did hold strategic value.
All out war which WW2 was is very different than most modern wars. The separation between civilians and the military was not as clear. Entire countries populations were contributing to the war. For example in the US, Ford car plants were turned into tank factories. These are just civilians going to their faily job, but all of the sudden they are part of the war effort. Japan as the war went on become increasingly desperate for labour, to the point that most schools would ve helping in the manufacturing of some weapons.
This was unfortunate and part of the reason why WW1 and WW2 were so horrific, especially for the countries where there had been fighting on their land. But to rap this up, the cities were technically military targets. Sad loss of life regardless of the reasoning, just as all war is.
@@wisemanofsorts6068 I get what you're saying, but I don't believe any of that rationalization bs. They wanted the war in the pacific to be over, so they picked to two cities to be wiped off the map. Shock & Awe. They knew the Japanese would have absolutely no choice but to surrender if we swiss cheese'd 200,000 of their civilians in an instant. On top of that, they chose two relatively untouched cities. Almost like they wanted an open canvas to display the weapons true power. Force Japan into submission and put on a show of force for the Soviet Union? That was a win-win in their book.
The U.S love to act like they had no other choices, but they did. Plenty of them.
Including: Just making the bombs fucking smaller... Something they don't touch on in this film at all - is the fact that Manhattan Project scientists purposefully worked to make them both as strong as possible. This film leads you to believe that the yield of both bombs was unpredictable, but that's the opposite of the truth. They had full control over the explosive force of both Fat Man & Little Boy.
And not for nothing...if you have never looked it up, check out Japan's Volunteer Fighting Corps...which was the military structure by which the leaders of Japan planned to conscript male civilians between the ages of 15 and 60 years, and unmarried females of 17 to 40 years to fight the Allies on the beaches to try and push the landing troops back into the sea. Granted, only 2 million or so had actually been organized to face the Allied invasion of Kyushu in November of 1945, but it is clear that any conceptions of who was a "civilian" that we may have today did not apply to the Japanese in 1945...so why would the distinction matter to US leaders?
Again...if you have never learned of it...on July 21, 1945, a senior US Army Air Force intelligence officer in the Pacific distributed a report declaring: “The entire population of Japan is a proper Military Target . . . THERE ARE NO CIVILIANS IN JAPAN." As noted already, this was total war.
@@iKvetch558 "There are no civilians in Japan." How about the little CHILDREN you POS? That's the distinction that should've mattered to U.S leadership. Keep spamming away at your keyboard trying to rationalize the decision though. The U.S boot is so far down your throat you'd probably still defend them if they started nuking their own people.
@@wisemanofsorts6068 Rationalizing nuclear genocide in less than four paragraphs has to be a world record.