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I'm not done complaining about this show. This time I take a look at the supporting characters and villains. Everybody deserved better, including the audience.
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Disney: *cries "Racist!" to everyone who questions them race swapping their characters, claiming we need more diversity*
Also Disney: *turns in an established black character into a white guy*
If this doesn't convince you that Disney doesn't give two craps about actual representation, I don't know what will. It's a shame too, because if they actually looked at the character, they would know Thunderball is also a genius-level physicist who was able to make a miniature gamma bomb, something even Bruce Banner couldn't do at the time. He could've been great representation, being a black man with both power and intelligence, but I guess the writers weren't interested in doing that.
Damn. I thought the wrecking crew were small time. I guess it turns out they're actually supposed to be formidable.
Because they have talentless writers at the helm of this series.
@@peterrealar2.067 That was obvious the moment they said they couldn't write court scenes, for a show about bringing people to court. I don't even understand why they were allowed to admit that to a media news outlet, I'd assume the executives would've wanted to hide their shortcomings and pretend their staff are all great at what they do.
@@electricfeverx976 , Mark Hamill bashed Disney whenever Last Jedi was released, so clearly Disney doesn’t give a shit if it’s employees bash their branding company in public, and why they only fire employees if they have the wrong politics like Gina Carano or Reuben Langdon.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr don't forget:-James Gunn,Phil Lord and Christopher Miller,
To me, Titania (comic-books) was a great parallel to Jen:
-originally small and overseen
-traumatic experience (shot by mafia/bullied while on an alien patchwork world)
-receives powers that turn them into giant amozonian one-girl demolition crew
-Titania uses powers for selfish/evil agenda
-Jen uses powers for good
And then Disney came in...
Jen unses powers for selfish agenda so, what's left for Titania?
Being a moronic influencer that's gone from 9ft tall amazon covered in spikes to a cheap looking stripper (sooo progressive, Disney!)...
You know about Mida's touch, right? This show has something similar... but instead of turning things into gold, it turns things into manure.
So, the Sadim touch?
Ironically, if this WAS Titania who was the lead, things would make a lot more sense.
@@SamaritanPrime You know what? I would've loved to see a series centered on Titania, well, long before the prospect of Disney bastardization anyways.
Wasn't Midas' touch a curse?
@@tuojiangoman3228 It was more of a "monkey paw" situation, in which king Midas choose the wrong wish, but the point is: all you had to do to make gold out of this show was literally just stay with the source material... they went the opposite way, an everything they touched is now manure.
Sadly, Disney won't acknowledge the fact a woman has genuine criticism for their little project. Gotta blame all the hate on us rabid, misogynistic, toxic men bombing all the ratings.
In all seriousness, you make good points without straight up hate-bashing. It's refreshing tbh
This what I hate most about these Disney+ shows, they waste so much time with their limited episode seasons. Episode 5 had no action scenes and Disney expects me to soil my pants in delight at seeing Daredevil's cowl in a hat box. Whee.
Not to mention they make it out that the guy who got catfished was an asshole for not wanting to stick around after finding out he got catfished
@Bluespirit , the original DareDevil tv series on Netflix already established who made DareDevil’s costume, and he is just a white version of Lucius Fox because DareDevil, Captain America, and Spider-Man are the only Marvel characters that are the most similar to Batman from DC comics, and Black Panther is like if Lucius Fox was Batman instead of Bruce Wayne, so clearly nothing in the She-Hulk show was done better than the comics and the Netflix Original series of DareDevil.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr there's always avengers earth's mightiest heroes, with many characters so comic accurate, they leaped off pages.(like"master chief"As:Starlord!)
@@erikbihari3625 , I miss and love EMH it's so much better than AA (Avengers Assemble), I used to think that EMH had the better story and AA had better more realistic better art, but I realized nope it doesn't, EMH had both better art and story. EMH was way better and the best part was it wasn't connected to the M-She-U. I just saw a clip from EMH, and in it, they had Wasp (Janet Van Dyne) wearing a bikini, and she was well endowed, I was shocked and had forgot that EMH did have fan-service. I remember that sometimes both the men and women had fan-service. No way would modern Disney would allow this. Look at how Jen and She-Hulk is dressed ugly.
Your sarcasm made me laugh out loud! Please consider replacing the current writers of the MCU.
I think it’s so funny that they’ve made Jen such an unlikable character, that they have to make everyone around her *cartoonishly awful* so that she can seem decent by comparison.
Narcissists do the same in their heads, I’m just saying
Remember when heroes were people who helped people voluntarily because they had the power and the will to make the world a better place? What the heck happened where not only heroes are now selfish jerks who only help when it's their own problem or if they're dragged into this, but this is always promoted to be better than what came before?
The stories are being written by the real-life villains now. And not even the cool ones. The high school teen drama ones.
That reminded me of movie Megaimind the ginger one I forgot his name
@@Daydream-247 Titan/Tighten?
@@stevensteviepryde5888 yes!
"The avengers are a group of selfish, narcisistic orphans"
*Proceeds to ignore criminals just because she's not affected by them*
I'm not a comic reader really, so it's nice to hear the perspective of someone who has thoroughly read and understands the Backstories of these characters. Not sure if they'll change the show characters to portray the comic character personalities, but i certainly hope they do
I hope so too
@@animezilla4486 you know the Marvel method! It's definition of insanity.
Unfortunately, I fear its too late.
they wont change them or ever make them to follow the comics, to those in the "woke" camp they must remake everything in their view. when it fails they will just blame the would be fans and label them racist, sexist, homophobic etc.
@@brettleisy356 yes, Disney hasn't failed from this too majorly. The only thing we can do is to go tron uprising on their asses! Basically bombs in Disney world, don't buy their woke"cream", and boom Walt no longer spinning in he's grave!
On top.of all the trash talking of men, this is just plain Boring and not funny. Calling this a comedy is absurd.
A disgrace to all the good stories that Marvel Comics created.
Yep this makes Eternals look like a masterpiece.
A disgrace to comedy. Can't believe someone choosing She-Hulk over Barry or Ted Lasso.
@@deuce5546 damn Barry is amazing funny endearing AND shocking! She hulk is none of those and tries to push political agenda on top of it. Roll eyes out of ten
I probably wouldn’t even care about the trash talking of men if it was at least done cleverly and it was actually done funny.
i really liked you bringing up Titania as she was a villain I was really looking forward to seeing. if the writers actually read the source material they could have combined that with what they did with her in the show Imagine a story where you have this girl who was bullied growing up for her small weak/ skinny body type maybe even suffering from body dysmorphia who's extremely self conscious who then one day finds a way to give herself power, strength, and a bigger taller build maybe she comes across a version of the super soldier serum or she's a scientist who experimented on herself either way after she gets the powers she gets a boost of confidence and uses her powers to gain fame , notoriety and becomes the famous influencer we see in the show but then she hulk showes up who's bigger, taller, sexier, and stronger than she is and instantly starts to become more famous than she is so all those feelings of self consciousness, and not feeling like she's enough comes flooding back to her and she feels she has to push herself and become better and stronger than she hulk starting Thier the rivalry with each other. this world give her a relatable back story, motivation and actually make her a character. which is pretty much the problem with all the characters in the show who weren't previously established Thier all flat and one dimensional.
I wonder how you’re gonna feel if you watch the 6the episode.
@@AnferneeMyers If it's anything like the prior 5, underwhelmed, irritated by poorly written characters, and wondering if finishing the show is worth it.
It's honestly embrassing how incompetent the writers are. To the point they don't know how to write courtroom scenes.
Take out “courtroom” and your statement still stands
why would you hire people who dont know how to write courtroom scenes in a show where the subtitle is "Attorney at Law".
To think this show aired after Better Call Saul ended is an insult to Lawyer show.
Heck, it is already an insult to MCU since we got Daredevil TV Show.
Exactly I can make something better than those overpaid hacks in my sleep
Glad you also acknowledged they tokenized Thunderball. I’m also surprised there wasn’t an outrage on Twitter.
Don't give them ideas!
Thunderball wasn't the main character and was getting beat up by a woman, so Twitter doesn't care.
Probably people who don't read comic wouldn't know he's black. I didn't know either so that might be it. I just thought they're random goons trying to get she Hulk blood.
Probably at least partly because he's a villain and placing minorities in villainous roles is seen as a bad thing to do in and of itself unless that villain can be presented as sympathetic by the writers.
I’m no lawyer but if titania caused destruction to legal property and attempted manslaughter, shouldn’t she have to have some kind of legal trouble especially before legally suing someone??
Pretty Much.
And the scene with drunk girl having a drink in the courtroom and showing up drunk
You are expecting too much out of current MCU writers lol.
I was wondering if that was a different character, because that scene is never explained.
A brief news segment in one of the episodes said that she beat the charges... somehow. Also that there was a #FreeTitania movement for some reason even though she nearly killed people in public.
I recently bought a She-Hulk comic, because I was curious on what you said of how the comics are different from the show and oh god its true. The comics are full of carisma and funny moments, as well of likeable characters, specially Jen, which ironically is the opposite from the MCU show
If I start calling myself "Coka Cola" as a nickname, the Coka Cola company isn't going to sue me to stop. These writers are exceptionally dumb human beings.
Considering how they treated Bruce I'm willing to bet they're gonna treat Matt like shit.
This version of Jennifer is obsessed with pretending she's a bigger victim than every man she comes across while being an even bigger asshole than she's convinced the men are.
Matt is literally blind and an orphan who managed to become a lawyer despite all the odds against him but because Jen is a woman somehow all that adversity he's overcome won't matter to the writers.
You know what could've saved this show? Have the first episode have her dying from the gunshot like she did in the comics and have Bruce give her some of his blood, then later Jennifer try to help Bruce to prove his innocence against General Ross since he saved her and General Ross still wants the hulk arrested despite doing a lot of good with the avengers. This would go into more of an actual super hero-lawyer show where she would defend both heroes and villains who are falsely arrested/sentenced as she would also fight against hired goons/supervillians sent by the government (Damage Control + Agent Clearly or General Ross which would lead him to become Red Hulk.)
Not as much thought but it's a simple idea of how to give this dumpster fire some good ideas
They can't do anything with Ross yet, the OG actor passed away before this show came up so they're looking for a replacement.
@@electricfeverx976 wait, really?
well I didn´t know that
They could have done that since William Hurt was alive during fliming.
The only thing is they wanted this show to be more comedy than serious superhero show. But I feel that's a mistake. The comedy of a series like She-Hulk comes from a silly things happening in the middle of a serious situation.
No. Titania has a complex, because after she got her powers, (In Secret Wars) she fought Spider-Man. Being bigger and stronger, she thought she could easily beat him, but Peter humiliated her in every way possible (physically and verbally destroyed her), and that gave her a complex.
Her backstory was later added in Dan Slott's She Hulk run but it was clear from her first appearance in secret wars that she had something to prove. She had a chip on her shoulder and needed to show her power and assert her dominance. Dan Slott's addition to her backstory just bolstered her already established character. Spider-man bodying her can be argued to have added to her inferiority complex.
It should just be renamed "Character Assassination" at this point, because every single character they introduce is completely ruined the moment they are on the show. I really liked Titania in Secret Wars, but this is NOT Titania. The main character is NOT She-Hulk either. The only reason you don't hear more outcry against Thunderball being white washed is because most people who complain about that kind of stuff have never heard of him before.
You know something is wrong with your show when actual fans are even complaining or even hating on it
Another thing that pisses me off is they turned abomination into nothing but a joke in 2008 the man was terrifying now he's nothing but a sizzled out flame
Dang, I didn't even realize how badly Disney screwed up Jennifer Walters as a character. And I already didn't like her character in the show to begin with, so that's saying something.
It's really sad how Disney is writing its protagonists nowadays. Rather than have them be relatable, interesting people that the audience can identify with, they're instead written to be rude and selfish narcissists who either believe they're good at everything or are already good at everything. No room for growth, no room for development, no room for compelling drama or stakes, etc. It's all just so sad.
When was Jen rude and selfish?
@@daurydavis3983…You’re joking, right?
@@GabesEdtiz her time with Bruce doesn't count
Looking at the interviews for the shows writer, it doesn't really seem like she knew much about the comics to begin with; which I personally think is not a good thing because the comics give you (at the very least) a base synopsis of the character you're going to make a show about
Jessica Gao should have never been hired for the series. She should have been fired like Nadria Tucker was from Superman and Lois.
Yeah! how in the living fuck did she not think she should do research on a tv series she's writing that's based on a Comic book character?
The show I found to be really disappointing since I felt it wasn't making much progress over the course of things. I really wish they hired someone who knew of to make compelling court scenes since the writers should know Jen is a lawyer and capitalize on this. We could have gotten Ace Attorney style stuff in the MCU style like some with stench powers called the Shit King tried to assault a supervillain and is charge with vigilantism and being a public nuisance. (Yes, he's a real Marvel character. Look him up.)
I do hope we get a better fourth wall break in the last episode, like Jen sticking a bad guy's head between the black bars on the top of the screen and then slamming the upper bar down on them.
Funny enough, I heard that the creators of Ace Attorney didn’t know anything about court laws either. They just wanted to do a silly lawyer game.
Anyone who knows law can point out the flaws in it, but Ace Attorney is at least entertaining and does have some real drama in it, with a competent protagonist to boot.
This just makes me want to rewatch Harvey Birdman.
I also imagined if she got SO SICK of a fight that was dragging on she would literally TAP the screen and grab the tab to fast forward to when the Villain is already subdued😂. Theres SO MUCH FUN you can have wuth She Hulk's brand of 4th Wall Breaks...but they SOMEHOW managed to make that concept BORING in general
@@no.1spidey-fan182 Makes me want to see Deadpool come in, show how Breaking the 4th wall really goes, and rub it in Jen’s face. Maybe even have him point a gun at the screen and warn the writers not to screw up his character.
"Did they read these comics?" No. Clearly they didn't. And often, these showrunners admit as much. They look up the wiki, gather some trivia, and then throw in easter eggs while ignoring all of the source material. Woke writers are eager to destroy your heroes.
I don't know why everyone is blaming "wokeness". I'm disappointed in these shows too, but it's more pandering and lazy writing that being "woke". You ever watch the movie Moonlight? That's pretty woke, but it's subtle about it with really good writing and performances. Same with the comics I wish these were based on. If Rise Of Skywalker was anti-woke, but with a similar story and beats, it still would have sucked.
@@solvseus , Moon Knight is and will always be Marvel’s Azrael in the comics, so if you’re claiming that Moon Knight in the original 80’s Moon Knight comics is woke then you’re saying that the original 90’s comics of Azrael is woke too which they aren’t.
they admit that they didn't read the comic quite openly and freely.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr they’re talking about the movie moonlight, not moon knight
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr where did you get moon knight out of moon light while somehow completely missing the word “movie”
If Jen gets vigilante advice, it isn't gonna be from daredevil, the writers probably don't want a man giving advice to Jen, and if Matt does try to give advice, I'll bet they'll try to play it off like Matt is in the wrong for telling Jen what to do.
thank you for not mentioning the twerking scene. It's really sad how this is the MCU now
I hate how a trend with the mcu (and new marvel comics) is to make the girl characters forced into their name like I wish she came up with the name on her own like give these characters some damn agency 💀 (edit) I like this show by imaging it’s a fan fic because it’s very charming if it were a fan fic
I love your reviews and opinions. I wish more people would hear it , it seems like the internet and Hollywood tend to see people with your opinions as misogynistic man babies ( which clearly you’re not) . I wish people could see this show for what it really is and not what they want or think it is. I’ve always said that when people support a bad show , the creators, producers , directors, heads of studios are going to keep pumping out mediocre, bland and abysmal products and shows . They’re gonna keep pumping out these processed “fast food “ shows because people are addicted and they are impatient. A bad show being sold as a gold and having an audience blindly buying it , isn’t good for the consumer and the state of storytelling . Now if She-Hulk was a really great show , it had no man hating, it wasn’t a poor attempt at Sex and the city and had a compelling character and storytelling AND IT STILL GOT HATED ON , then the hate wouldn’t matter because good stories , good films , good shows stand the test of time and they surpass all the hate , it reaches the audience it’s meant to reach and it will get its “happily ever after “. Look at Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man for instance, he was not well received as Spider-Man, but once NWH came out more and more people gave his Spider-Man a second chance and some changed there mind , some remained the same but the point is that he surpassed the hate and so did the film and now people are praising him because in the end the film wasn’t as bad as people garnered it to be. She-Hulk on the other hand deservers the critiques it’s getting , maybe not the super misogynistic quotes you see here or there, but options like yours and others , they’re warranted because She-Hulk is just not that good. But if people keep lying it themselves or actually liking and eating this “fast food” of a show , then what lessons do the writer , director and people who worked on this show learn. The answer is Nothing. Because people are trying to seek this show as perfect. It’s not horrendously awful , buts it’s not wear near a silver medal, it’s bronze at best
Doesn't help when people that criticize this show are insulted too, when they offer legit criticism.
maybe look up these so called "mysoginistic man babies" because i bet money that 80% of them are actual Comicbook nerds who actually read the Material. yeah we nerds get kinda pissed off by people who 10 years ago said comics are trash then shoehorn themselves into the Comics then bastardize the industry they hate so much
Titana's back story well (Titanas 2's) makes me want to give her a hug.
This is another example of a “series in name only”
Cree Summer has always been the ultimate She-Hulk to me. Funny, confident, brassy, strong but without any chip on her shoulder (she LOVED men - and it always showed in the comics). Its to the point where when I read the comics I would imagine Cree's voice and delivery (it's also why - and I mean this in the best possible way - I essentially conceived of her as a black woman - even if I knew her alter ego Jen was a white woman and Bruce Banner's cousin, she just struck me as what it would look like if Queen Latifah or Mo'Nique were ever superheroes). And also her fourth wall breaking here just comes off as awkward and those not familiar with it being in the comics will probably just mistake it as an inferior attempt at copying Deadpool, even though in the comics the opposite is very much true - She Hulk was breaking the fourth wall and making fun of the readers/artists/editors long before Deadpool ever did (here, without the suspension of disbelief of being a comic book character it just comes off as awkward/random, whereas at the time it was almost unprecedented and kinda genius tbh).
She also cares about Bruce.
Cree Summer is so talented.
Who's the Marvel character with a bucket on he's head who did it first?
@@AL-ws5yi and lovely!😻 She might not have range equal to the likes of Kieth Ferguson,Tara Strong,Lex Lang,Frank Welker and the like but still.
I'm happy I'm not the only one who got black vibes from She-Hulk and yes Cree Summer queen.
1. They race swapped the wrecking crew member because they didn't wanna make a black character "the bad guy" and 2. I found the Netflix Daredevil to be a waaaaay better example of what a superhero/courtroom drama show should be. I think they focused too much on a hardcore feminism angle rather than creating compelling character backstories, character development and making a good show that would appeal to all audiences. But that's just my opinion
I have no problem with Jen being terrible at being a vigilante/superhero. That could even be part of her arc, but I doubt these writers are familiar with the concept of a character arc. But the rest of your critique is spot-on.
Please consider: they are mashing up her origin with later stories. So get gets her powers but doesn't want anything to do with them situations force her to change / stay in hulk form and then people keep telling her that Hulk Jen is better than human Jen. That is a long running issue in the comics. I think that is what they are wrapping this around. "Should I just be She-Hulk 24/7? Should I abandon my normal form?" The world seems to be push her towards yes but how does she deal with that? In the comics it makes normal Jen meeker and almost introverted. Most new runs of the comic are her trying to push back for that only for shenanigans to occur
1:18 Exteremely unlikely they did or even read a wiki summary of the character.
The most frustrating thing about the trademark argument is the whole thing falls apart when you consider Hulk is already trademarked in the MCU. Trademarking she hulk was a total non starter because as the main character pointed out its just derivative of Hulk which I doubt Titania has the trademark to.
As insufferable as She Hulk is, I'm still hoping they don't cancel it. I'm instead hoping all the people involved get fired and replaced. Imagine if season 2 was a soft reboot of the series where Jen actually does learn a lesson in humility and grow as a person, or actually get competent courtroom scenes. And she can break the fourth wall the whole time, making jokes at the expense of the previous crew.
This is how we would win
They’ll have to do it just to save face. Though a soft reboot of She-Hulk would have to do a lot of work to rescue the character.
I want to make a season two and make the show actually good. That’s if Disney will pull their faces out of their arses. But Kevin Fiege will be grateful that I have the ambition and result to make it actually enjoyable
As a guy watching other guys talk about how upsetting this show is its nice to hear from you and get a diffrent but similiar perspective. Sometimes its hard to tell when ppl are being too harsh but it seems like this show just messed up a really good character.. sad.
The Garrett Gilchrist
Shamelessly She-Hulk Series on TH-cam is a better She-Hulk Series.
Wow.
Ah, I see you're a person of culture as well.
Exactly and not to mention the countless fan made comics on DeviantArt
I don't think anyone thought this was going to be good, and the episodes are really proving everyone right.
If I was making this show I would do it like the 70s Hulk show and get a body builder to play She-Hulk.
I would make it like those fan made films/the incredible Hulk animated series of the 90s where the character was voiced by Lisa Zane in season one and three summer in season two
I would still use Tatiana Asllani as she hulk but use force perspective to give the illusion that she is 2 m tall and use a shitload of close-up animatronic shots of her arms legs neck and hair like in an American werewolf in London
Look I'm not even a lawyer and I could of done a better job at the courthouse scenes etc. It's like they think they know everything but don't realize how the actual world works for those who ain't rich over being lazy lol
More and more this show feels like a slog to get through.
I was a big comic book fan as a kid in middle school. One of my fondest memories of my grandfather (who basically raised me as a father) is going to a local comic book shop and actually asking for advice pertaining to school and relationships (I had a crush and didn't know what to do) on the drive to and fro. Anyway, I really appreciate your knowledgeable critique and agree in almost every way with your review. I'm beyond disappointed with Disney's current approach to everything. But what can we do? Hope all is well, cheers, Norm.
I'm pretty sure the trademark thing only works if the trademark is being used for similar purposes.
Ex. Dr. Pepper is trademarked but Coca-Cola can't sue a dentist named "Dr.Pepper" for marketing themselves.
Unless Titainia starts calling herself the "She-Hulk" there isn't really a problem.
Keurig Dr. Pepper is a different company from Coca-Cola. They usually share distribution, but not always. My workplace has a Pepsi machine with Dr. Pepper in it.
@@jeremyf9124 Yeah when I first looked it up it said Coca-Cola and Pespi-Co hold a majority on the rights to it. (Coca-Cola has the trademark in Europe, Pepsi-Co has it in Canada.) The point is that a soda brand can't sue a doctor.
Disney should have hired writers who either worked in Legal Drama or know a lot about them and willing to put in the work of learning about She-Hulk.
They should have asked their friends at capcom. Capcom made a lawyer game, and marvel and capcom did work together so yeah.
I’m not watching She-Hulk. The trailer didn’t impress me.
After hearing your review I’m glad I didn’t.
This show seems to be screaming “we don’t care, please put us out of our misery”. They don’t bother looking at the source material. They don’t put enough money for the cg. They don’t get writers who know how to write court scenes. They rely on cameos from characters people don’t care much for, and make us go from ambivalent to annoyed with them. It really is like they are seeing how bad a show they can create before people will stop watching.
She's sad and a joke, because she's a self-insertion by the writer. It's just Jessica Gao using She Hulk for power fantasies and therapy.
It's a chance for Gao to complain about her problems, and imagine if she had Hulk powers herself. But she's forced to make it a lawyer show with Marvel characters, so she just incorporates those things in the laziest ways possible.
Unreal. Showwriters these days are the worst. It really feels like there is something going on here with screen writers these days, like there is a class they are all taking that is teaching them all the same hot garbage as writing lessons and we see the same exact mistakes happening from a majority of new shows. It's pretty fascinating but also very depressing.
My thought process over the years on this:
20 years ago: 'Dude, now that they've made a Hulk movie, they should totally do She-Hulk!'
13 years ago: 'Man, these Marvel Universe movies sound interesting - and they''re making ANOTHER Hulk film... maybe they'll do She-Hulk! That'd be cool!'
8 years ago: 'Dang, but this whole MCU business is complicated - getting a little tired of it, really. Still, at least it opens up the possibility of giving movies to less well-known heroes - She-Hulk, for instance.'
5 years ago: 'I am looking forward to this whole business wrapping up. I hope at some point in the future, we can get beyond the MCU and just make normal movies again - ones they haven't done yet, like She-Hulk.'
3 years ago: 'Crap, they're going to do She-Hulk, but it's on Disney+? I don't have Disney+, and I'm not going to get it just for this! Eff you, Disney, you greedy mouse-pigs!'
1 year ago: 'She Hulk is going to be bad, isn't it.'
A month or so back: 'Urrrgh - not lookin' good.'
A few weeks ago: 'And half a lifetime of anticipation results in... this. Great.'
Bro you pretty much described how I feel.
I was honestly still looking forward to this show right up until I watched the first episode
@@unstablerupture6983 Yeah, I remained semi-optimistic right until the point when the first reviews started to come out and they were all crap - I mean, as in I literally haven't encountered a single good review so far; 'Batman and Robin' got better reviews than this. Admittedly, I also still haven't seen a full episode of this show, but none of what I HAVE seen has given me slightest desire to rectify that.
If titania is supposed to annoyance that messes with Jen, then it still doesn't really work for me here. I haven't read every interaction before her and Jen, but the recent she hulk comic kinda establishes (if it wasn't established already) that titania does attack jen randomly. I only was able to believe that because I already knew about their past fights.
You completely nail it with this. I was looking forward to this show and it isn't what I hoped at all
Great vid. Love to hear your insights.
Thank you!
Well said, I had many of the same issues with this awful, brain-dead 'interpretation' of a great comic book. How could they mess it up so badly? Byrne is either laughing or crying about this, not sure which.
Yeah. The race-swap on Thunderball REALLY surprised me. .... I guess I was expecting too much from this show. Having grown up with the John Buscema She-Hulk, I was hoping for that. Bruce being faced with the decision to save Jen and risk her future or her death. Jen learning how to control her powers. Not just Mary Sue her way through the show. Cover some of Bruce's back story about his alleged abuse as a child, which contributed to his Hulkness. Maybe some episodes of her crossing paths with Daredevil, in and out of the courtroom. I appreciated the John Burne era artwork but never liked the tongue-in-cheek, fourth-wall-breaking format. Titania is a favorite character from way back and they RUINED her. Adn the Wrecking Crew was a waste.
One can hope Goa, and her ilk, never get hold of Shadow Lass, Saturn Girl or Dawn Star.
Crazy how we got the worst lawyer show ever just after the ending of possibly the best courtroom drama show of all time, Better Call Saul.
@mjtanner
I highly recommend checking out the fan film series Shamelessly She-Hulk by Garrett Gilchrist.
It is a far more comic book accurate adaptation of She-Hulk's character imo.
Almost every study shows that In the last 25 years, women have become far less happy as a gender. The writers try to channel this, but in doing so, they effectively tell on themselves and admit most female misery is self inflicted. Gurrrrl power!
Hasn’t everyone reported to be less happy nowadays? I believe its more in how society is structured in the developed world and economic burden that has contributed to this. Your statement is pretty absurd.
FINALLY someone addressed Titania. Another issue with the show was that they gave the Abomination the ability to turn back to normal, which was something he never did in the comics and a major reason why he hated Bruce, because unlike him, Bruce was able to lead a somewhat normal life compared to him. Though the real reason no one liked Blonsky was because prior to his transformation, he abused his spouse, Nadia Dornova, who had fled to the US to escape him. Though when it comes to the MCU or Hulk adaptations in general, everything has to be watered down.
Your insight is great! I really have nothing to add because you’ve said it all.
Great video! thanks!
In the comics, she was a hot-headed person who’s skill at lawyering compensates for her actions as a person. It created ways for her to grow and be interesting.
Why is that the opposite of what this show does?
I'm pretty sure (based on a perspective slightly above the layman) that Titania could not trademark She-Hulk. First, as a derivative of the Hulk, the trademark would probably default to whoever holds the Hulk trademark. Second, even if there were no Hulk to originate from, Jen is clearly the progenitor of the She-Hulk entity. Essentially, by merely existing under the identifiable moniker of "She-Hulk", she has trademarked her identity and image. See, while the legal system does have a lot of room for bullshit, it's often found in the minutiae of overlapping jurisdictions, old laws conflicting with new ones, or hastily written laws being overly broad. Simple stuff, like someone blatantly trying to steal your product or identity through legislative means, would not even make it out the door before being shot down by a judge.
This is a surprisingly good analysis of the meh nothing of the show!
Modern writing these days is more about pushing an agenda than actually telling a good story a good writer even one that would be seen as mediocre knows a way to balance both or make the message subtle enough to be picked up on without overly focusing on it but modern writers do none of that. Superhero media has been seen for decades as a childish power fantasy and that method of thinking is even more exemplified by these holier-than-thou man-children and women-children who believe their opinions and fantasies are more important than making something that can not only be remembered but revered for years, ironically making them dated and easily forgotten.
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As for Daredevil, I have a bad feeling regarding the character and the new series filming next year
Two *BIG* issues I can see, putting message as priority #1 with comedy/entertainment somewhere around 4-7, seemingly deliberately insulting 50% of people that would want to watch a comic based show, and yeah they really should walk across the hall to *DISNEY'S* lawyers for a consult on their courtroom scenes.
As someone whose favorite Marvel Heroine is She Hulk, this Series has been Ridiculous to say the Least.
This was the first of Comic Titania's Backstory I heard and all I gotta say is why wouldn't they go with that? What would make them think what they did with Live Action Titania is a Step Up from the Comic Version?
I know there's still Room in the Season to Genuinely address Jen's Faults, but honestly I'm not holding my breath.
You absolutely should go on and on about your problems with this show ;D I loooove hearing your thoughts on these things, J!
I think the writers just looked up the "powers" sections of these characters wiki.
At the end of the show could you offer a rewrite of it as a retrospective? I'm a fan of the show but have never been interested in comic she hulk. So a comic book fan rewriting it would be appreciated
How did Dr Doom give her power, did he have the beyonder's at that time? Because this way I could see it being a possibility.
Nobody read the comics.
especially now it was niche before and it failing now
Great Argument 👏
Untrue, the comics industry made over 1B last year and if nobody read them these movies and shows would never be made to begin with
Yep.
They did. That’s why people have been saying they should have just used the original stories.
I feel the exact same way. I love She-Hulk. I watched the Hulk animated series which is what introduced me to her and I fell in love with her. Literally and as a character so I was super excited. Might’ve been my most anticipated and it just disappointed me so hard.
I wonder if the title is a reference to birdman attorney at law. So much easier to watch birdman.
I'd love to read some she hulk comics any recommendations?
I'd say start with her original run of Savage She-hulk by Stan Lee back in 1979. It holds up really well. If you're looking for more comedic fourth wall breaking Jen I'd say read John Byrne's Sensational She-hulk. Both are pretty good.
4:35 "its not like Disney doesn't have those". Made me chuckle
That wasn't the real Wrecking Crew. It was the Wrecking Crew's kid brothers engaging in a tribute LARP.
This is worse then when they had the iron-fist director in season1 he didn't even read any of the comics. I'm like what the hell is wrong with these people get somebody who cares and knows the source.
Is thunderball a robber / bad guy? That could potentially explain the whitewashing, fear of blowback from people if they cast a robber / villain as a black person? That's the only reason I can even fathom, but I'm not at all familiar with the character
Oh god is that really what they did to Titania and the Wrecking Crew? I haven’t had a chance ti watch anything past ep 1 yet but...Jesus
Paramount started the MCU, with Iron Man 1. Unfortunately, Disney got it's hand in it during IM3 and that was the end of it. And I didn't know that there had been a previous Titania. Huhn.
Im actually now interested in reading She-Hulk cause it seems really compelling. Where could I start?
I'd say start with her original run of Savage She-hulk by Stan Lee back in 1979. It holds up really well. If you're looking for more comedic fourth wall breaking Jen I'd say read John Byrne's Sensational She-hulk. Both are pretty good.
I feel like all the new writers don’t really care to search the comics or they throw out the material only to put what they think is funny. As it really shows the decline of the new phase.
Its obvious the writers haven't read the comic so no source material will ever be utilized. And anyone who's a fan of this show obviously haven't read the comics either. Bringing to mind ignorance is truly blissful. Nuff said.
Wow, I knew She-Hulk was bad in translating the comics, but this is nothing short of a pure insult to those who loved any kind of smart writing, I mean your ideas sound WAY more clever and fun than the actual plots. Like I said MANY times before, the MCU ended with Endgame and the story concluded with No Way Home.
Lyra (Hulk & Thundra's daughter from another Multiverse - which is already established in the MCU) was the one who challenged Jen to the title of She Hulk in the comic after Jen's given the moniker by some thugs she thwarts. She doesn't fight nearly enough bad guys in the show. I wish they'd let super heroes be super heroes & fight crime. We finally got a decent fight scene, & it wasn't even the title character.
They introduce bits like changing the title card, but then don't do anything else with it. She Hulk was in so many teams. It could have been She Hulk in the City when she helped Lyra get settled in NY, which was one of the original pitches for Lyra's character in the comic, by the way. They could have riffed on whatever show they're parodying, like doing a Carrie VO.
They could have done a Halloween episode with She Hulk in the Fearsome Four. Howard the Duck is in Universe & works in the same building as the law office in the comic. She Hulk gets her flying '59 Dodge with him, among other adventures. I mean, what else are they doing with the character?
It's also the same law firm used by the TVA. Why not do something with that, since it's already established.
She was a member of the Lady Liberators. Perfect little spin off story that could've paid homage to the comic.
I don't know who Nikki is supposed to be, but that's not Pug. Pug was a bouncer who put himself through law school. He's a big dude who has a crush on Jen & even tries to ask her out but is beaten to the punch by John Jamison. You could even use the John from Rami's Spiderman 2. He still looks hot. & J. Jonah is already in the MCU. I guess Nikki is taking the place of Jazinda, a runaway Skrull, a race already established in the MCU. Why wouldn't they use Jaz? She has this great bit where when she gets scared, she inexplicably shifts her form to look like Jen. Lots of opportunities for comic misunderstandings.
In the comic she's friends with the Blonde Phantom. It's with Louise "Weezie" Grant Mason, formerly a Golden Age superheroine, that she fights criminals like the Bong Man. You can't find anything funny in there guys?
She's friends with Janet van Dyne, already in the MCU. Jen even fights Titania to avenge her supposed death.
She was friends with Hellcat in later comics. Patricia "Trish" Walker is already in Jessica Jones & in prison where she could use a lawyer. Her teacher, Moondragon, is about to be in Guardians. Why not build up some buzz? Even if you can't use the character yet, you can make references to them & drop easter eggs.
& where the hell is Awesome Andy. He gets his head ripped off trying to defend the law office from Titania in the comic.
That's not even Mallory Book, “The Face who’s never lost a case." She's a completely different character & more of a foil & creates conflict. They don't seem to have used any of her relationships from the comics, which makes no sense.
Titania's boyfriend the Absorbing Man, is already in the MCU in the Agents of SHIELD. Why is he not here? Why does Titania have no character? She should be an anti hero. In the comic, she tries to go straight & Jen helps her get a job as a security guard. She should be like Karen in Will & Grace & just be a way for you to get in funny one liners & insults. At the very least, we should know why she's a villain & what she was arrested for & why she got off & is just walking around bugging Jen for no reason.
& they keep bragging about inclusion, but where's She Hulk's boyfriend Wyatt Wingfoot? He would be the first Indigenous superhero in the MCU. She also dated Luke Cage, already in the MCU, during the Heroes for Hire story line. Thunderball is best friends with Titania in the comics & is known as the black Tony Stark. Why would you change that? & why take away his silly giant indestructible ball?
She dated Power Man after getting over dating an ex con in Heroes for Hire.
Where's the running joke about always having car problems? Where's the running gag about everyone thinking she slept with Juggernaut, already in Deadpool, because an alternate reality She Hulk is in a loving relationship with him? She hits on Wolverine & he says he doesn't want Juggernaut's sloppy seconds. Imagine if they got Hugh to make a cameo. People would've lost their minds. & he's the kind of actor that would happily do it, even though it's for tv.
Where's the story about her defending Starfox, (sigh) again, already in the MCU, from sexual assault? There's the cute bit about her thinking she'd been tricked into falling for him herself but it turns out she really just liked him. That's an amazing story with a nice O Henry twist.
There's the story line where she gets tricked & gets disbarred & then becomes a bounty hunter. They could've riffed on She Hulk the Bounty Hunter.
There's the story line where she signs the super hero registration act & is drafted into SHIELD, already in the MCU. They could've riffed on She Hulk & the Agents of SHIELD like a crossover episode.
Where's the story line where she turns into grey Hulk at night & becomes a separate more
brutish personality? Come to think of it, if they had really read the comic, they'd get that She Hulk lowers Jen's inhibitions. Where's her childhood friend Zapper, who she likes but doesn't date until She Hulk lowers her inhibitions about dating a younger man?
Where's the story line where she gets stuck permanently as She Hulk after a huge dose of radiation, but it later turns out to be psychosomatic?
Where's the Red She Hulk story line? Where's General Ross & the Red Hulk, for that matter? Where's the Totally Awesome Hulk, Amadeus Cho, who would be the first Korean superhero in the MCU? Inclusion my ass.
Where are all the silly villains she fights in the comic, like Ringleader & the Headmen?
She fights alongside Sentry in the comic. Middle-aged, overweight Bob Reynolds who doesn't remember he's a superhero & has to sacrifice himself to save the world from the Void. That's a great story!
Jack of Hearts not only makes She Hulk go crazy, but he's a ridiculous character perfect for a comedy.
You introduce Leap Frog, a Daredevil character by the way, & don't want to use his buddy Stilt Man?
This show should have been more like the animated Harley Quinn & really lean into the bizarre & outragious secondary characters that they're not even using.
I mean, you're gonna bring in Immortal Man & not put him in that ridiculous blue & red costume with the big white I on the chest? & why the hell would Immortal Man be old? It's right there in the name you dolts.
There's no way these guys read the comic, let alone the Wiki.
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The show writers have no real desire to write a show accurate to the comic, or even write a good show. This, we get this shit sandwich
Haven't watched the show, so I'll try to mind my wording. That said, I'd hope if they are presenting her as a "can do no wrong" character while also showing great amounts of arrogance, then hopefully it's a setup to a character change and they learn that their arrogance actually leads to a lot of distress in general (including anger)...I highly doubt they're going that direction, but still.
The Wong stuff makes very little sense to me, since when does the Sorcerer Supreme of Earth care about the American legal system? Do the writers know so little about Law or the Wizards that they don't realize that even a basic student could be sent to take care of that guy much faster and safer than trying to sue AND would be outside of the American legal system? Probably not seeing as how little anything in this show makes any sense.
I dont think these writers know what she hulk is. They probably just saw a few pics.
Also they race swapped another red head.
Refreshing take on this nightmare of a show, earned a subscriber
I highly recommend checking out
The Garrett Gilchrist She-Hilk Fan Series here on TH-cam.
The show is 4 years old and is a better She-Hulk Show/Series that sticks pretty close to She-Hulk's comic book Origins.
Yeah! A disrespect to characters created decades and decades ago specifically Stanley creation and the Marvel Comics Pioneers
Jessica Gao has shown she can be a Good Writer. But it's clear she and all the other writers knew nothing about the source Material and were too lazy to do the research.
5:05 does trademarking a name take a lot of time to do? Good point on the makeup line though.
Also, when it comes to court and legal procedure, Titania easily doesn't have the right to have actual images of She Hulk in her products without a license due to name image and license law. The name thing is less fuzzy but you're usually not allowed to trademark simple words or commonly used phrases (for example, Ohio State tried and failed to trademark the word "The")
The MCU is going to reveal that The Writers/Producers of She-Hulk, Thor: Dumb and Dumber, etc, are really SKRULLS that are invading Earth and are attempting to destroy Marvel's legacy!
I've only watched the first 3 eps thus far; aside from the 1st ep being a mess, the other thing that stood out to me was how terrible the 4th wall-breaking was. (Did I type this in your comment section of your first vid? I recall thinking about it but I'm not sure if i followed through. So this might be a rehash of something I've said before. Oh well.)
The 4th wall-breaking just seems to serve to remind us that she CAN break the 4th wall. It doesn't add anything to the story. And it seems like the Jen that breaks the 4th wall is a completely separate character from her the rest of the time; Jen doesn't know who Wong is even though she told us he was going to cameo in the ep. It's weird.
And in the 3rd ep, the writers used it purely to pat themselves on the back because of how they tied the A and B plot together... when they actually didn't tie them together. They were just two separate plots that were resolved separately, but Jen was in both of them.
Sometimes I think I'm a bit harsh because I saw the tweet in which they admitted they couldn't write court-room scenes; after seeing that, it becomes impossible not to nit-pick that stuff. Maybe if I hadn't seen that, I'd just have fun with it and wouldn't examine it as much. But, you know... I *did* see it. And it ought to hold up to modest scrutiny; it can be fun while also making sense on a deeper level, with themes and ideas and stuff. Oh well.