Great video Gregor. 150 per hour is not bad because it is your craftsmanship to enjoy your patience and tolerances to how much precision you want. As to why some of your pellets are sub MOA and some are not? You have barrel harmonics where the shock wave travels approximately 5 times faster than the pellet as it leaves the muzzle, so you can have 4 to 10 shock waves bounce to the end of the barrel and back before the pellet exits the muzzle. The key is to write down every data point you can and decipher the harmonics involved with the velocity of the pellet as it goes from zero velocity to muzzle velocity and where the shock wave of the barrel metal is so your pellet leaves at approximately a nodal point and not a peak or cresting point, which is what makes airgunning so much fun instead of just pulling the trigger like a mad man. Another key point is that lead is not 100% pure, it is impossible, but it can approach 99.999% in very expensive wet acid lead batteries, so lead has other alloys which changes the specific gravity of 11,340 kg/m^3, or 11.34 g/cc, or 1501.5684210258 grains per caliber sphere, or ball. And the list goes on and on. Lastly, numbers do not lie, but you can lie with numbers and the laws of physics are not just really good ideas. Great videos, please keep them coming and be safe out there.
Thanks. I agree about the harmonics. Unfortunately, when it some to K1, the harmonics are not the cause to accuracy problems, 99% of the issues is the fact it shoots from the magazine and the problem occurs in transition form magazine to barrel.
Good video Gregor! Those 50+ gr slugs are monsters😂 I’d love to know what the BC is of those! I am buying a LabRadar soon to properly measure BCs of all my pellets and slugs out to 50m, should be interesting to do a direct and accurate comparison.
I will measure the BC of the heavier slugs as well (the old fashion way with two chronys). It will probably be in the Wolverine video... I would love to see a comparison of the two chorny method to a professional device...
I bought a similar Swaging Die set from England. I cast my own lead like you and made a few hundred pellets in the JSB style only to find like you the process is very slow and the pellets are 1.5 to 2 MOA accuracy at 30 meters. Where as I can get pellet on pellet with the cheap Crosman Domed pellets at the same distance or further. It was a learning experience as I had never cast lead before so it was all good knowledge and skills to have.
Something else I would point out is that swaging produces more uniform bullets/slugs, but the drawback is the design is a smooth cylinder which greatly increases drag...while cast bullets/slugs may be designed with several drive bands on long part of them so that only those bands are touching the rifling and thereby seal the bore and yet do so with much less drag than the swaged ones.
@@gregorkamensek3923 Hi Gregor how far with the Swage kit for the huben slug .22 with the bands? or is the Cast version better for the 2018 Huben k1 Gen 2?
@@taheerkhan7715 It depends on the swagging die design. In order to have bands, the die must be made of two parts. I never received and dies with bands as I was hoping...
Thanks for your detailed review of the Huben swagging kit, but this method it going to be too slow for me. Could you plase update us as to how we can go through the using the molds?? Many thanks for all your clips.
Is there any trimming required of the excess lead? Have you taken a video of the bullets in flight and then slowed the video to see if there is any wobble?
@@gregorkamensek3923 Good day - Gregor please update with groupings video of this kit in .22 cal for the HUBEN K1 .22 GEN 2 2018 @ 50m and 100m. Does it work better with your custom barrel? which brand/twist rate is the barrel and where can one get it? Also how does it perform in the 2020 Version? I know its hard work to make videos all the time and is a long process. I would like to say Thank you for your effort to provide us with such critical information on behalf of everyone. Please if you could at least share grouping pics with details about reg setting and power wheel that would be highly appreciated for those who have a 2018 version of Huben? (Instagram or Forum wouldn't be a bad option- please share links if already available) Have there been any improvements to this Swagging Die kit to make it more accurate in the huben (ie under 1 MOA) is it possible to use the same Swage kit and make hollow points with additional parts? Lastly you mentioned casting your own lead wire pieces? where can we find that mould as some of us find it difficult to source lead wire and are more capable to cast like you. Please share your ideas with in this matter? Patiently awaiting your response.
I mention price at the end of the video, cataract Huben (or Huben dealer) for purchase. Recommended material is pure lead, lead can be purchased in a form of a wire but you will need to find a local seller for the lead ... depends on where are you from.
Man I'm in ohio, very poor but a huben rig is my dream rig.... I'd ALMOST take it over my ar15.... and for everyday shooting yes, i would..... But 20k a year 3 person family.....probably not going to be able to anytime soon.....
Get the Umerex Gauntlet .25.It is accurate and you can get good power out of it by getting a 2100 psi regulator for $20.I also put a bigger bottle on mine you can get for a little over $31 all at Aliexpress.Get over 50 full power shots at 53 fpe with JSB 33.95 gr pellet.
Worth every penny so far. Only an about 6 months. Over 4k shots. All heavy slugs mostly. No mishaps period. I carry it.. GK1. Things sweet… u get one yet?
You mean washers for regulator? Yes, but it all depends on the pressure you want to use... For biggest range of pressures, you are best to user the huben arrangement.
Gregor in my humble opinion, aerodynamically, the portion of bullet emerging out at almost 1/3 from the nose of bullet will always cause inconsistent behaviour if there is even slightest of differential wind
Gregor kindly tell me that you are using 36 grain version with huben?.. Secondly what's the max fpe you have attained with huben k1 yet? Lastly you have mentioned that with wolverine, you attained 292 m/s with 52 grains.. Wolverine was modified or factory setting?
Hey buddy. Those 52 grainers look awesome. What is their length in mm.Could you perhaps chrony them on the Wolverine in FPS please and not in metres/sec. Would appreciate that. Cheers.
Gregor, you didn't mentioned that this set can swag up to 3-5k projectiles after which you have to replace core parts for 2/3rd of its price. Also Huben is still under development of their slugs and therefore they may change in next months.
Gregor Kamenšek I've send you a message few weeks ago asking about release date for MP-mold new version of molds for K1? They don't respond for like a 2 months already and I also didn't get the update from you. Huben said their slugs will be on sale at the end of this year or beginning of next year. Also regarding accuracy how this swagged slugs compare to MP-mold?
Gregor Kamenšek Thank you and I can't wait. Looking forward for your video and the product on sale. I think I'm more interested in mold then swaging kit because of the durability.
Gregor Kamenšek Do you have any update on how is your swagging kit performing over year of usage in terms of durability? I haven't decided year ago when we spoke to buy mold because someone from Poland is making them based on first version of MP-mold kit and I purchase from him. Now I'm thinking would buying swagging kit would be a good idea. In one hand I understand that mold would give me more bullets per minute but in other hand it is more hazardous and requires more time, preparation and place - which I will lack of for next year. Therefore the only thing that turns me off from swagging kit from Huben is it limitation to make up to 3-5k bullets.
thanks for making this video, I was thinking about the terminal ballistics of led bullets vs diablo pellets. I think your velocity and twist rate are going to help you figure out the best bullet length. thanks for telling us the issues, I might stick to casting bullets.
It would be nice if Huben could keep up with supply of this amazing PCP. I have been trying to buy one for three months .. even asked Huben but they are changing to a new manufacturing facility .. Hopefully someone will re invent the FX Monsoon . with a similar air release system . My Monsoon in 22 was fabulous .. unfortunately the blow back cocking design regularly fell apart Until I remade the plastic parts using aluminium machined part and Loctite all of the screws which insisted in making a regular bid for freedom .
Hi gregor, can you tell me what is the exact diameter of bullet made by the hubben swagging kit cal .22, the lower part of my mold is broken, and jaky from huben hong kong asks me to measure the diameter of bullets made with this kit, so that he can get me this part, and the problem is that I do not have it on hand because I am stuck in the USA because of the corona virus , thank's
My wolverine is in .303... but I do have a .22 barrel on it at the moment, but it is not the same as you would get it if you bought Wolverine in .22 so I really cannot say....
HI GREGOR, today I made a mistake, I made with my huben kit a bullet bigger than the magazine that came in with difficulty, and when I shoot, it blocked, the air came out a through the magazine, I shoot a second and the third time the ball is out and the air is almost empty, please tell me if the fact that the air is out through the magazine I endomage something or no ?
Hmm, you mean that the bullet got stuck in the barrel? You will probably need to disassemble the gun to clear the barrel. Is the magazine still rotating?
no, for the first shot, the bullet is jammed, the air is out by the magazine, and for the 2nd shot the bullet is still jammed and the air is released a second time by the magazine, the 3rd shot the bullet is out and the air is completely emptied from the tank, I filled the rifle a second time up to 150 Bar and the magazine runs normal, but what I'm afraid of is that coming out unnaturally by the magazine twice the air did not do any damage in the rifle?
It seems to me that you wanted to push heavy pellets with a lot of friction out with too low pressure and you had a few pressure dumps. You need to have at least 170 - 180 bars for huben swagged slugs and the power wheel to not more than 2,5 revolutions form minimum.
Hi Gregor. When you say 110fpe out a wolverine with the 52gr bullets... you mean a Daystate wolverine HP 5.5mm right? They are supposed to be 60fpe in 22 5.5mm... please is there a video for this? I would appreciate any and all info regarding this. Thanks! PS awesome content. you have my sub
I have the original Wolverine 303. I have done many mods to it, and lately, I am using it it .22 cal. No way to get 110 fpe with regular wolverine in .22... When I have it set for this high power, I have it without regulator and the first shot (at 250 bar) is about 110 fpe. I get about 8 good shots. But lately, I prefer having it set to 70 or 80 fpe with the regulator and shoot huben on my slugs... (35 grain). There will be a video about wolverine but I do not know yet when...
Thanks for your reply Gregor, I cant wait for the Daystate video. I am from the same country, South Africa, as Mat from AirArmsHuntingSA is. We have unlimited power restrictions for .22 cal(no bigger) so it intrigues me very much. I was looking at the Daystate wolverine but went for the Huben, just cuz its cooler :D. I love the Daystate's though(pure pedigree) and with the power your getting on your Wolverine, it could be the "sniper rifle" in the arsenal. did you loose accuracy shooting those energies with those 52gr slugs? PS: have you ever modded a Sam Yang Sumatra? there are guys in my country claiming a Sumatra modded is superior in power(not accuracy) to the K1. - say it insn't so! Thanks for the detail you go into on your video's and keep them as long as possible!.
@@jeanvanrooyen6004 Huben is very different form other PCPs and it is hard to compare it with the rest. One thing I can say for sure: it is the most advanced air gun out there. It also has the best efficiency at high power, it can reach that power with ease (unlike most other). Here is the combination that makes it unique: power/caliber, semi-auto, regulated, shot count, fill pressure, size, weight, loudness... You could also add adjustability but I intentionally left it out beacuse it is not so accurate with pellets and is primarily designed for slugs. I have highly modded ShinSung Career ultra in 9mm. this is very similar gun to Sumatra. Those guns have excellent barrels, can achieve very high powers but are not comparable in any other category with. They are big and heavy, loud, have low shot count, ... I still like them though. Daystate is all about looks. Don't get me wrong, it is still a nice an accurate gun but both Sumatra and Daystate are a very simple basic design of PCPs. There is nothing wrong with that, I just don't think that Daystate is worth what it costs... It is hard to say talk about accuracy because I did not have appropriate slugs at the time I was testing the high power. Generally I must say that the main issue with very high powers is that you have to combine the appropriate slugs with appropriate barrel and then apply the appropriate power. Even if these problems are solved, accuracy problems appear usually by a poorly made / or destined chamber. Chamber is even more important than the muzzle crown and nobody in the airgun world is talking about it (probably because pellets are inserted on the bore directly).
Thanks for the extensive reply Gregor, you covered all my questions and more. I still have a big desire to start tinkering with a "cheaper" PCP like a sumatra to hone my skills. If you don't mind i have one more question(and sorry if this is not the place to ask it, if its not please let me know) I got my Huben today!! but... with almost no air in it. it arrived with 170 bar on the regulator (the original owner marked the pressure with a sticker so it lost no pressure in transit to me), i put a full mag of JSB redesign monster in it. I shot 4 shots and the regulator was at about was at 140 bar. I dont know the settings but the owner said it was shooting these jsb at 913fps(i have not changed a thing on the gun and have not had a chance to chrony it). I'm assuming this gun had no more than 170 bar in the main tank since it dropped so fast. I know you say I must not shoot the gun on low pressure but in about 11 shots it was at 100 bar. My father arrived at the house and i could not fill the gun(scuba tank empty even though the dive shop sold me a FULL 300 bar cylinder!!) so i shoot it anyway to show him... the huben shot 2 perfect shots and then made a fffffooooofffffff.... sound on the 3rd shot. no pellet exit. The huben is now at 60 bar on the regulator. I hope it is due to the fact that the magazine was not cycling with low pressure or something. Tomorrow i will fill the scuba tank and hopefully everything will be ok. Is this normal?
@@jeanvanrooyen6004 Everything normal about that. Just fill it up and at those powers (almost 100 j) keep the regulator at 170 bars, and make sure that you shoot only down to 170 bars (you can go slightly lower of course). If you fill it to 250 bars, you should get at least one magazine at that power. This gun needs some getting used to as it operates very differently that other PCPs. JSB Beast will be accurate probably only up to about 70 meters and then they will start to be unstable. Monster Redesigns will be stable further but also not pass 100 meters... For best performance, you will need to use slugs.
Hi. Not sure if swagging kit is still available form Huben, but molds for casting are available here: www.mp-molds.com/product/552-mm-air-rifle-pellet-8-cav-mold/ www.mp-molds.com/product/555-mm-air-rifle-pellet-8-cav-mold/
@@gregorkamensek3923 I see the .22 are 5.49 yes the pellets I use are 5.52 Do you think that diameter is rather small for a .22 would they not let air by.
@@gregorkamensek3923 I just got the .22 5.52 the mould looks fine, I'm picking up my smooth bore barrel for my cricket Sunday so I'll get some cast and let you know.
Thanks Gregor I have tried to contact both Huben and a local agent without success. I have made contact with MP Molds via a friend in Slovenia. I have ordered 2 sets your K1slug moulds. If you can assist me in Solvenia I will have it collected. Thanks for your work and excellent reviews. Carl
Hi Gregor, I just received my HUBEN K1 and the SWGGING KIT HUBEN. but I do not know what is the diameter of the lead wire used, and how long do I have to cut the wire to get 44-grain and 36-grain pellets ?
It is quite simple; the wire must be thinner than the pellet so get the first diameter available smaller than 5,5 mm. The length you adjust by the weight; it has to be slightly bigger than the pellet is in the end (the pellet is about 36 grain, so make it about 38 of more).
Hi. O don't know... Huben's web page is currently under construction (they will have a new web page) and I cannot access the distributor list at the moment. Try contacting them directly...
You should look into the Corbin Swaging Press & dies - www.corbins.com/kits.htm#press - Also the reason for the boat tail design is simple... with supersonic projectiles the most drag is on the nose, whereas with sub-sonic projectiles most of the drag is on the base of the projectile...so the boat tail design reduces the drag on the base of the bullets.
HI. Yes, I know about Corbins... I never used them though. I agree about the drag theory you mentioned, that is why all my newly designed slugs have boat tail...
Good day - is this a test result after making the slug from this mold/die kit? Do you have the 2018 version gen 2 of the Huben K1 in .22 cal. Which is the most accurate slug you have used on Huben?
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Thanks again Gregor for all the help and for keeping with the updates on the Huben!!!!!
Great video Gregor. 150 per hour is not bad because it is your craftsmanship to enjoy your patience and tolerances to how much precision you want. As to why some of your pellets are sub MOA and some are not? You have barrel harmonics where the shock wave travels approximately 5 times faster than the pellet as it leaves the muzzle, so you can have 4 to 10 shock waves bounce to the end of the barrel and back before the pellet exits the muzzle. The key is to write down every data point you can and decipher the harmonics involved with the velocity of the pellet as it goes from zero velocity to muzzle velocity and where the shock wave of the barrel metal is so your pellet leaves at approximately a nodal point and not a peak or cresting point, which is what makes airgunning so much fun instead of just pulling the trigger like a mad man. Another key point is that lead is not 100% pure, it is impossible, but it can approach 99.999% in very expensive wet acid lead batteries, so lead has other alloys which changes the specific gravity of 11,340 kg/m^3, or 11.34 g/cc, or 1501.5684210258 grains per caliber sphere, or ball. And the list goes on and on. Lastly, numbers do not lie, but you can lie with numbers and the laws of physics are not just really good ideas. Great videos, please keep them coming and be safe out there.
Thanks. I agree about the harmonics. Unfortunately, when it some to K1, the harmonics are not the cause to accuracy problems, 99% of the issues is the fact it shoots from the magazine and the problem occurs in transition form magazine to barrel.
Good video Gregor! Those 50+ gr slugs are monsters😂 I’d love to know what the BC is of those!
I am buying a LabRadar soon to properly measure BCs of all my pellets and slugs out to 50m, should be interesting to do a direct and accurate comparison.
I will measure the BC of the heavier slugs as well (the old fashion way with two chronys). It will probably be in the Wolverine video... I would love to see a comparison of the two chorny method to a professional device...
Hi Matt - did u also get one of these swagging kits? How did it perform out of the fx barrels? Did u also test it on the huben?
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@@gregorkamensek3923 Hi- what was the BC of the 33grn 36grn 44grn and 50grn?
I bought a similar Swaging Die set from England. I cast my own lead like you and made a few hundred pellets in the JSB style only to find like you the process is very slow and the pellets are 1.5 to 2 MOA accuracy at 30 meters. Where as I can get pellet on pellet with the cheap Crosman Domed pellets at the same distance or further. It was a learning experience as I had never cast lead before so it was all good knowledge and skills to have.
What do u mean jsb style? This kit makes slugs not pellets?
Hi there. Where can I buy this press in .30cal and what would the price be? Thank you.
Something else I would point out is that swaging produces more uniform bullets/slugs, but the drawback is the design is a smooth cylinder which greatly increases drag...while cast bullets/slugs may be designed with several drive bands on long part of them so that only those bands are touching the rifling and thereby seal the bore and yet do so with much less drag than the swaged ones.
I agree, but this is about to change... I will soon have a swagging kit for slugs with bands :)
Gregor Kamenšek it is impossible to put Drive bands on a slug or bullet with the swaging process
@@gregorkamensek3923 Hi Gregor how far with the Swage kit for the huben slug .22 with the bands? or is the Cast version better for the 2018 Huben k1 Gen 2?
@@charlespeffley Why do u say it is impossible?
@@taheerkhan7715 It depends on the swagging die design. In order to have bands, the die must be made of two parts. I never received and dies with bands as I was hoping...
Thanks for your detailed review of the Huben swagging kit, but this method it going to be too slow for me. Could you plase update us as to how we can go through the using the molds?? Many thanks for all your clips.
Soon...
Thanks Gregor. When can we expect a new mold from MP molds? It should faster ....
I was promised the prototype will be in two weeks...
Is there any trimming required of the excess lead? Have you taken a video of the bullets in flight and then slowed the video to see if there is any wobble?
Pellets seem quite stable in flight
Do you have any videos of the accuracy of the swagging at say 100 yards ? If not will you make one ?
I don't have it, I might make it in the future...
@@gregorkamensek3923 Good day - Gregor please update with groupings video of this kit in .22 cal for the HUBEN K1 .22 GEN 2 2018 @ 50m and 100m.
Does it work better with your custom barrel? which brand/twist rate is the barrel and where can one get it?
Also how does it perform in the 2020 Version?
I know its hard work to make videos all the time and is a long process. I would like to say Thank you for your effort to provide us with such critical information on behalf of everyone.
Please if you could at least share grouping pics with details about reg setting and power wheel that would be highly appreciated for those who have a 2018 version of Huben? (Instagram or Forum wouldn't be a bad option- please share links if already available)
Have there been any improvements to this Swagging Die kit to make it more accurate in the huben (ie under 1 MOA)
is it possible to use the same Swage kit and make hollow points with additional parts?
Lastly you mentioned casting your own lead wire pieces? where can we find that mould as some of us find it difficult to source lead wire and are more capable to cast like you.
Please share your ideas with in this matter? Patiently awaiting your response.
@@gregorkamensek3923 Hi please read above?
@@gregorkamensek3923 please update
Hola. Haces envíos a México ? Gracias
excellent Gregor. what is the price of the machine and where did you buy it? the material for the slugs where to buy?
I mention price at the end of the video, cataract Huben (or Huben dealer) for purchase. Recommended material is pure lead, lead can be purchased in a form of a wire but you will need to find a local seller for the lead ... depends on where are you from.
Where can I get this kit? Regards
Genius i love what you do
Man I'm in ohio, very poor but a huben rig is my dream rig.... I'd ALMOST take it over my ar15.... and for everyday shooting yes, i would.....
But 20k a year 3 person family.....probably not going to be able to anytime soon.....
Get the Umerex Gauntlet .25.It is accurate and you can get good power out of it by getting a 2100 psi regulator for $20.I also put a bigger bottle on mine you can get for a little over $31 all at Aliexpress.Get over 50 full power shots at 53 fpe with JSB 33.95 gr pellet.
Worth every penny so far. Only an about 6 months. Over 4k shots. All heavy slugs mostly. No mishaps period. I carry it.. GK1. Things sweet… u get one yet?
thanks for the info, Gregor! Can you tell me where I can get this swage kit?
Hi. Try by contacting Huben dealer in your country or Huben directly.
Hi great video . So I guess this old now and am I correct they no longer make these dies? Or have i got this wrong?
I don't know. You can try to contact Huben...
@@gregorkamensek3923 Hi thanks
Where can i buy this kit if you can help me i greatly apreciate you!!
Can you not use.22 long rifle bullet heads?
i really like your style Gregor!
Gregor thank you for the detailed review... If m not wrong, you arranged the washers yourself, not given by huben?... This kit is expensive indeed
You mean washers for regulator? Yes, but it all depends on the pressure you want to use... For biggest range of pressures, you are best to user the huben arrangement.
Gregor I meant washer for increasing or decreasing the length of bullet
Gregor in my humble opinion, aerodynamically, the portion of bullet emerging out at almost 1/3 from the nose of bullet will always cause inconsistent behaviour if there is even slightest of differential wind
Gregor kindly tell me that you are using 36 grain version with huben?.. Secondly what's the max fpe you have attained with huben k1 yet? Lastly you have mentioned that with wolverine, you attained 292 m/s with 52 grains.. Wolverine was modified or factory setting?
Where can I get a sub12 swagging die .22 and .177
Hey buddy. Those 52 grainers look awesome. What is their length in mm.Could you perhaps chrony them on the Wolverine in FPS please and not in metres/sec. Would appreciate that. Cheers.
They are about 14,5 mm long, my modified unregulated Wolverine shoots them at just over 950 fps. I get about 8 shots...
Gregor, you didn't mentioned that this set can swag up to 3-5k projectiles after which you have to replace core parts for 2/3rd of its price.
Also Huben is still under development of their slugs and therefore they may change in next months.
Gregor Kamenšek I've send you a message few weeks ago asking about release date for MP-mold new version of molds for K1? They don't respond for like a 2 months already and I also didn't get the update from you.
Huben said their slugs will be on sale at the end of this year or beginning of next year.
Also regarding accuracy how this swagged slugs compare to MP-mold?
I recently got the info that my prototype should be ready in 2 weeks... I will make a video as soon as I test it.
Gregor Kamenšek Thank you and I can't wait. Looking forward for your video and the product on sale. I think I'm more interested in mold then swaging kit because of the durability.
Gregor Kamenšek Do you have any update on how is your swagging kit performing over year of usage in terms of durability?
I haven't decided year ago when we spoke to buy mold because someone from Poland is making them based on first version of MP-mold kit and I purchase from him.
Now I'm thinking would buying swagging kit would be a good idea. In one hand I understand that mold would give me more bullets per minute but in other hand it is more hazardous and requires more time, preparation and place - which I will lack of for next year.
Therefore the only thing that turns me off from swagging kit from Huben is it limitation to make up to 3-5k bullets.
Hi ,From where did you get this information ? I mean that it can swag up to 3k-5k bullets .
thanks for making this video, I was thinking about the terminal ballistics of led bullets vs diablo pellets. I think your velocity and twist rate are going to help you figure out the best bullet length. thanks for telling us the issues, I might stick to casting bullets.
Yeah, casting is much faster...
Is it recommended to use swagging lube or oil when doing this process ? If so which brand or product will be best? Thanks
I use cheap silicon spray (no know brand name). I spray the pellets before I swagge them. I just lightly spray the pellets and mix them up...
It would be nice if Huben could keep up with supply of this amazing PCP. I have been trying to buy one for three months .. even asked Huben but they are changing to a new manufacturing facility .. Hopefully someone will re invent the FX Monsoon . with a similar air release system . My Monsoon in 22 was fabulous .. unfortunately the blow back cocking design regularly fell apart Until I remade the plastic parts using aluminium machined part and Loctite all of the screws which insisted in making a regular bid for freedom .
Hello Gregor. Have you used the GMI swagger? How do you compare it to Huben? Thank you.
No. Actually, Huben swagger is the only one I used so far.
Anne, does the GMI swagger has a hole/channel where it bleeds out excess lead ?
I don't see this listed at Huben. Where can I get one?
Don't know if they still make them. Try contacting huben or maybe hubenshop...
Hi gregor, can you tell me what is the exact diameter of bullet made by the hubben swagging kit cal .22, the lower part of my mold is broken, and jaky from huben hong kong asks me to measure the diameter of bullets made with this kit, so that he can get me this part, and the problem is that I do not have it on hand because I am stuck in the USA because of the corona virus , thank's
Front bore riding is 5.54 mm, rear ring is 5.66 mm
Maybe they have different versions and that is the reason why she is asking about the dimensions...
@@gregorkamensek3923 thank you gregor , you are helpful.
Hola desde España
Sigues vendiendo los moldes de slug?
Porque estoy interesado en comprar
MP molds is selling the molds, but unfortunately not the new version. Only version2:
www.mp-molds.com/product-category/molds/air-rifle-molds/
Hello Gregor,
thanks for the video, where can we get the kit from?
I got it directly form Huben... Contact them.
May I know the diameter of the lead wire for making .22 slugs ?
optimum is somewhere between 5.0 and 5.5 mm
Hi Gregor,
is it available yet? Where to buy it? Thanks.
Yes, it is available. You can ask your distributor, depending where you are form... or you can contact Huben directly...
Gregor, how is the accuracy out of the Wolverine with those monster slugs?
My wolverine is in .303... but I do have a .22 barrel on it at the moment, but it is not the same as you would get it if you bought Wolverine in .22 so I really cannot say....
HI GREGOR, today I made a mistake, I made with my huben kit a bullet bigger than the magazine that came in with difficulty, and when I shoot, it blocked, the air came out a through the magazine, I shoot a second and the third time the ball is out and the air is almost empty, please tell me if the fact that the air is out through the magazine I endomage something or no ?
Hmm, you mean that the bullet got stuck in the barrel? You will probably need to disassemble the gun to clear the barrel. Is the magazine still rotating?
no, for the first shot, the bullet is jammed, the air is out by the magazine, and for the 2nd shot the bullet is still jammed and the air is released a second time by the magazine, the 3rd shot the bullet is out and the air is completely emptied from the tank, I filled the rifle a second time up to 150 Bar and the magazine runs normal, but what I'm afraid of is that coming out unnaturally by the magazine twice the air did not do any damage in the rifle?
It seems to me that you wanted to push heavy pellets with a lot of friction out with too low pressure and you had a few pressure dumps. You need to have at least 170 - 180 bars for huben swagged slugs and the power wheel to not more than 2,5 revolutions form minimum.
I hope you feel better soon :)
Thank you for the inspiration! Regards from germany!
Where can i buy this kind of tool🙂🙏
You can ask Huben if they are still offering them.
What is your page name? How I can I contact you brother? I want to buy your slug mode
As always. Honest review! :)
a decent vice would do that I think
hello Gregor. Where did you get the wire cutter?
I received the whole kit directly form Huben.
great video!
Hi Gregor. When you say 110fpe out a wolverine with the 52gr bullets... you mean a Daystate wolverine HP 5.5mm right? They are supposed to be 60fpe in 22 5.5mm... please is there a video for this? I would appreciate any and all info regarding this. Thanks!
PS awesome content. you have my sub
I have the original Wolverine 303. I have done many mods to it, and lately, I am using it it .22 cal. No way to get 110 fpe with regular wolverine in .22... When I have it set for this high power, I have it without regulator and the first shot (at 250 bar) is about 110 fpe. I get about 8 good shots. But lately, I prefer having it set to 70 or 80 fpe with the regulator and shoot huben on my slugs... (35 grain). There will be a video about wolverine but I do not know yet when...
Thanks for your reply Gregor, I cant wait for the Daystate video. I am from the same country, South Africa, as Mat from AirArmsHuntingSA is. We have unlimited power restrictions for .22 cal(no bigger) so it intrigues me very much. I was looking at the Daystate wolverine but went for the Huben, just cuz its cooler :D. I love the Daystate's though(pure pedigree) and with the power your getting on your Wolverine, it could be the "sniper rifle" in the arsenal. did you loose accuracy shooting those energies with those 52gr slugs?
PS: have you ever modded a Sam Yang Sumatra? there are guys in my country claiming a Sumatra modded is superior in power(not accuracy) to the K1. - say it insn't so!
Thanks for the detail you go into on your video's and keep them as long as possible!.
@@jeanvanrooyen6004 Huben is very different form other PCPs and it is hard to compare it with the rest. One thing I can say for sure: it is the most advanced air gun out there. It also has the best efficiency at high power, it can reach that power with ease (unlike most other). Here is the combination that makes it unique: power/caliber, semi-auto, regulated, shot count, fill pressure, size, weight, loudness... You could also add adjustability but I intentionally left it out beacuse it is not so accurate with pellets and is primarily designed for slugs.
I have highly modded ShinSung Career ultra in 9mm. this is very similar gun to Sumatra. Those guns have excellent barrels, can achieve very high powers but are not comparable in any other category with. They are big and heavy, loud, have low shot count, ... I still like them though.
Daystate is all about looks. Don't get me wrong, it is still a nice an accurate gun but both Sumatra and Daystate are a very simple basic design of PCPs. There is nothing wrong with that, I just don't think that Daystate is worth what it costs...
It is hard to say talk about accuracy because I did not have appropriate slugs at the time I was testing the high power. Generally I must say that the main issue with very high powers is that you have to combine the appropriate slugs with appropriate barrel and then apply the appropriate power. Even if these problems are solved, accuracy problems appear usually by a poorly made / or destined chamber. Chamber is even more important than the muzzle crown and nobody in the airgun world is talking about it (probably because pellets are inserted on the bore directly).
Thanks for the extensive reply Gregor, you covered all my questions and more. I still have a big desire to start tinkering with a "cheaper" PCP like a sumatra to hone my skills.
If you don't mind i have one more question(and sorry if this is not the place to ask it, if its not please let me know)
I got my Huben today!!
but... with almost no air in it. it arrived with 170 bar on the regulator (the original owner marked the pressure with a sticker so it lost no pressure in transit to me), i put a full mag of JSB redesign monster in it. I shot 4 shots and the regulator was at about was at 140 bar. I dont know the settings but the owner said it was shooting these jsb at 913fps(i have not changed a thing on the gun and have not had a chance to chrony it).
I'm assuming this gun had no more than 170 bar in the main tank since it dropped so fast. I know you say I must not shoot the gun on low pressure but in about 11 shots it was at 100 bar. My father arrived at the house and i could not fill the gun(scuba tank empty even though the dive shop sold me a FULL 300 bar cylinder!!) so i shoot it anyway to show him...
the huben shot 2 perfect shots and then made a fffffooooofffffff.... sound on the 3rd shot. no pellet exit.
The huben is now at 60 bar on the regulator.
I hope it is due to the fact that the magazine was not cycling with low pressure or something.
Tomorrow i will fill the scuba tank and hopefully everything will be ok.
Is this normal?
@@jeanvanrooyen6004 Everything normal about that. Just fill it up and at those powers (almost 100 j) keep the regulator at 170 bars, and make sure that you shoot only down to 170 bars (you can go slightly lower of course). If you fill it to 250 bars, you should get at least one magazine at that power. This gun needs some getting used to as it operates very differently that other PCPs. JSB Beast will be accurate probably only up to about 70 meters and then they will start to be unstable. Monster Redesigns will be stable further but also not pass 100 meters... For best performance, you will need to use slugs.
Hello Gregor, Another great video keep up the great work.
My Huben is still working great.........flown the drone lately???? Robert USA
Hey. Thanks. Glad to hear your K1 is working :) I have not flown the drone much lately, too cold...
Hello, where can I buy?
Try contacting Huben but I am not sure if they are available anymore.
DO you have this for .177 (4.50 mm)?
No, .22 only.
Can you get it in a hollow point in 22 cal.
not at this moment, I am working on the .25 hollow point though. BTW: NSA has some really good hollow points for K1.
Where can i buy it in Europa
I doubt that thy make this anymore but you have a better alternative:
www.hubenairguns.shop/collections/presslug
And now for the ultra long range test to see how they fare at distance.
Salve Grego come faccio ad avere il kit che mostri nel video ,cal 22 per Huben,grazie saluti.
Contact Huben
So where in Gods Green Earth do you buy a set ,, K1 in .22 cal
Hi. Not sure if swagging kit is still available form Huben, but molds for casting are available here:
www.mp-molds.com/product/552-mm-air-rifle-pellet-8-cav-mold/
www.mp-molds.com/product/555-mm-air-rifle-pellet-8-cav-mold/
Thanks, but by now, I will be going to .357
@@gregorkamensek3923
How can we buy? Any link? Thank you.
Not sure. I got it directly form Huben. Try contacting them directly or their dealers...
Do they make this for slugs or do you still cast the slugs.
I don't know if they make them. I use cast slugs and now mostly Altaros slugs for K1. Those are the most accurate at the mometn.
@@gregorkamensek3923 thanks gregor,
I'll see if I can find them for my cricket mk2
@@gregorkamensek3923 I see the .22 are 5.49 yes the pellets I use are 5.52
Do you think that diameter is rather small for a .22 would they not let air by.
@@PeakyBlinder It is hard to say until you test but I would start with 5.52 size. BTW: don't get the ones for Huben as those are bigger and heavier...
@@gregorkamensek3923
I just got the .22 5.52 the mould looks fine,
I'm picking up my smooth bore barrel for my cricket Sunday so I'll get some cast and let you know.
Gregor, did you say R L males the swage press ?
Not sure what you mean, where in the video is this?
@@gregorkamensek3923 I'm sorry I meant to say MP Molds make... do MP Molds make the swage kit ?
@@jamesdenny4734 No, this swagging kit is Huben's product.
Hi where can I purchase the kit?
Regards
Try contacting Huben or any of their retailers.
Thanks Gregor
I have tried to contact both Huben and a local agent without success. I have made contact with MP Molds via a friend in Slovenia. I have ordered 2 sets your K1slug moulds. If you can assist me in Solvenia I will have it collected. Thanks for your work and excellent reviews.
Carl
@@carlluther2099 Hi. I believe MP molds have worldwide free shipping so you can take advantage of that.
i really like it thanks a lot for sharing
Where can I buy this kit ?
contact Huben or Huben distributor...
Where can these swage be found
You should contact Huben directly
Hi Gregor, I just received my HUBEN K1 and the SWGGING KIT HUBEN. but I do not know what is the diameter of the lead wire used, and how long do I have to cut the wire to get 44-grain and 36-grain pellets ?
It is quite simple; the wire must be thinner than the pellet so get the first diameter available smaller than 5,5 mm. The length you adjust by the weight; it has to be slightly bigger than the pellet is in the end (the pellet is about 36 grain, so make it about 38 of more).
@@gregorkamensek3923 thank's
Hi... How can i get one?
Contact Huben or one of their retailers.
Two-piece swaging die? This I have to see... I imagine it would be very time-consuming to use it
Not as much as you might think as it is a "multi die" design...
Como que eu faço para mim comprar sou do Brasil
I really want a 9mm for my Shin Sung fire201
Hi,l'm from brazil could you Inform me the dealer?
Hi. O don't know... Huben's web page is currently under construction (they will have a new web page) and I cannot access the distributor list at the moment. Try contacting them directly...
A donde puedo comprar un molde 5.5
Try contacting Huben directly:
www.hubenairguns.com/
or
www.hubenairguns.shop/
Hello Gregor,i want to ask where are you from??
Slovenia
You should look into the Corbin Swaging Press & dies - www.corbins.com/kits.htm#press - Also the reason for the boat tail design is simple... with supersonic projectiles the most drag is on the nose, whereas with sub-sonic projectiles most of the drag is on the base of the projectile...so the boat tail design reduces the drag on the base of the bullets.
HI.
Yes, I know about Corbins... I never used them though. I agree about the drag theory you mentioned, that is why all my newly designed slugs have boat tail...
@@gregorkamensek3923 How do I get this swaging system?
@@airguntactical You can try contacting Huben although I am not sure if they are still making them.
Muito bom
2.245g and 10.60mm .
3cm a 100m
Good day - is this a test result after making the slug from this mold/die kit?
Do you have the 2018 version gen 2 of the Huben K1 in .22 cal.
Which is the most accurate slug you have used on Huben?
Hi Gregor, I was very hopeful in this Kit swagging........What a disappointment. :(
I think for the price i rather get the corban kit that i can use with my reloading press 👍🏻
Probably best choice if you have reloading press...
Yeah i think thats the best choice for $500 you get every thing you need to start making slugs
Where can I purchase this kit?
I got it directly form Huben but I am not sure if the make it anymore.