Maybe, but I feel like if that were the case the spirit would have said daughters instead of crones when describing those who killed her body. But I will admit it is more likely then not.
@@erisofliria yeah but it would also give Geralt more understanding of what he is dealing with at the minimum. Giving him something to make a better choice be it for Anne and the kids or Velen as a whole.
Every time I picked up a copy of “ She Who Knows “ I’ve always felt like I found something evil, as if the book was possessed… Even the look of the in-game book is unsettling
Only a side note, but I personally believe that the form of the beautiful women is her daughters natural form, and their monstrous forms are an affectation put on for shock and awe, to inspire fear and obedience. My only proof of this is that we only see these ugly forms when directly interacting with the women, like a form of psychological pressure. When they are alone (when ciri sneaks up on them) they mingle amongst each other in their natural forms, as there's no need for such pretence. Furthermore, their magical tapestry in their basement likely reveals their true forms too. And once they realise they've been ambushed, they take on their more pressuring forms.
@@egeozdemir5094that's true. That's.. Actually a very new and interesting take not too out of reach for dictator witches within the Witcher world context
The Spirit of Velen is fascinating yet one thing baffles me for all her power she chooses to rule over a small region of Temeria despite being capable of such great feats of magic like creating the Crones and another baffling aspect of her character is her desire for love in all it's forms and the lengths she'll go to achieve it If she has exisited long before the first life on the Continent then the offerings she receives would hold no real value for her Did her weakening connection to Velen come about because of her negligence to her duties or is it a symptom of her madness?Was Velen tainted by her insanity or her growing weakness? The greatest irony of her tragic tale is that her daughters gradually descend into madness as their mother With centuries imprisoned She-who-Knows gradually came to the realization that she should look for purpose instead of her obsession with ending her lonliness which is why she chooses to save the children from her daughters is released thereby ending her mental anguish through benevolent deeds which could be argued as the begining of a potential redemption arc I find it auspicious that her potential release from her prison coincides with the impending invasion of the Wild Hunt and the coming of the White Frost These are just my thoughts on the matter of She-Who-Knows
Reminds me of the story of Circe in greek literature :) although she had a family she was rejected and soon exiled to an empty island. She felt lonely and like no one understood her until humans came. She thought they could be friends, but they assaulted her, then Circe started to act harshly against any intruders to her island
@@efaristi9737 Yes, I've read a whole book about it. And she is not a half-goddess, she is a GODDESS, just minor and greek gods are usually born adults. I didn't say the stories mirror each other completely, but some aspects do fit.
@@erisofliria Hmm, actually you're right, i don't know why i was so sure she had a human parent. And sorry but so far, only Athena is born adulte, most gods seems to had a childhood phase though it's not the same as humans. But that whole "she was rejected by her divine family, felt lonely and thought humans could be her friend but they betrayed her", where does that come from ?
@@efaristi9737 Tales about her persona and her relationship with the humans who came to her island before Odysseus. But I know she's more often depicted as bad and vindictive... Tho in mythology, specially greek imo, it's about the authors and what kind of story they wanted to tell. Circe is known because of the Odyssey, through Odysseus eyes, but there are other stories about her.
Basically you have the choice of letting the villagers and their future generation live in perpetuity as cowardly slaves/cattle for the crow's, paying for their pathetic existance by feeding their own children to the crows or basically force them into freedom, a dangerous and uncertain freedom where they face the forces of nature on their own, but freedom nevertheless.
That decision isn’t actually as good as people think. The town get slaughtered regardless if you help the tree or not. Either The tree kills them, barons daughter and witch hunters come through and kill most of them, or the barons men come through and kill most of them. You don’t know what happens to the children because supposedly the tree saves them but with no proof except from gran and crones they got took or location to find them to see they are okay given they were saved by a tree. A tree dead center of a dangerous swamp. While knowing the tree itself was also bloodthirsty and killed many innocents like the crones. Gran is even crazier then when she had the kids regardless if they are taken by the tree or the crones because she either goes crazy because of punishment from crones for losing the kids or crazy because the crones took the kids. But I think that was the point. A quest with no happy endings for anyone but Geralt. Barons has to save his potential gone wife, daughter stuck with witch hunters and can’t leave to help with mother which was whole reason of joining, town destroyed, orphans given to magical tree or monsters, and the Barons hold on crow perch turns into a shitehole without him. Only person who gains from this was Geralt because he got information on Ciri.
1:21 I wouldn't rule out that She-Who-Know isn't from another sphere like the other monsters, her book described her as coming from "a faraway land". 3:14 You're very poetic but i do question your sources since the games never mentionned any of that.
@@efaristi9737 I honestly just guessed that is where the info is. I am not a Monster main, I play Northern realms, so I wasted my keys on them. Good luck on the path
@@marcusblackwell2372there was prosperity before they turned on their mother. The whisperess may be the one causing people to sleep walk to the hillock in hopes to finish off the mother. The mother will save the children and they will go to novigrad. The mother does not harm or warp her help in any wicked way. She does transform the barons wife into a monster for serving the daughters. The daughters grant their promises in wicked ways such as sickening the barons wife. The mother is spiteful and does kill the village that bad mouths her which is consistent with her nature. The daughters request children sacrifices from the villagers without any tangible benefit as compared to killing adult men. The daughters didnt protect the local villagers from witch hunters At least some arguements i saw. I still will always kill she who knows / evil tree heart
@@marcusblackwell2372I think it's because they wanted the mother gone and prob were the ones who got rid of her in the past. But I've heard theories about the mother being the most evil.
Would be cool if some future witcher content game or otherwise has ciri master her powers fully and they have to find out how to kill the mother because ciri killed 2 out of 3 plus it would give closure to vesemirs medallion
Could it be, that some of the Unseen Elder Vampires know Gaunder O Dimm and are afraid of him? Or is Gaunder afraid of the Powers of a Unseen Elder? Could O Dimm be something that has come trough the conjunction of the spheres or is he something like she who knows who was already "there"?
Apparently. Now as to what reign she is native it's uncertain, since there's evidence the Crones were in Toussaint besides residing at Velen in the game
It's a possibility but the book about her don't answer that question, nor does the ghost or the Crones. All we know, is that she come from a faraway land which could mean another continent or another sphere.
@@OldWitcherso we know signs the witcher magic and we know a witcher can do it with one hand but can they do it with both hands like lets say geralt uses the fire sign and uses both hands can he also combine it and make a super flamethrower
This is a really difficult question, but that can work) We seen this in the Witcher 2, in fight between Geralt and Letho, there Letho cast his aard with two hands and it was really powerfull aard. So, i think, combined witcher sign with two hands can be more powerfull than usual.
@@sueflewelling3657yes. Watch the fight between geralt and the assassin Witcher geralt uses igni with both hands and it’s a lot more powerful and read the books the one where geralt fights the striga. He uses both hands and casts ard to stop the monster from advancing then stops casting it just as the striga was about to get him so it went flying away
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Maybe, but I feel like if that were the case the spirit would have said daughters instead of crones when describing those who killed her body. But I will admit it is more likely then not.
@@danteforthepartyI mean I prob wouldn't call my daughters that if they've killed me 😭
@@erisofliria yeah but it would also give Geralt more understanding of what he is dealing with at the minimum. Giving him something to make a better choice be it for Anne and the kids or Velen as a whole.
Every time I picked up a copy of “ She Who Knows “ I’ve always felt like I found something evil, as if the book was possessed…
Even the look of the in-game book is unsettling
Only a side note, but I personally believe that the form of the beautiful women is her daughters natural form, and their monstrous forms are an affectation put on for shock and awe, to inspire fear and obedience. My only proof of this is that we only see these ugly forms when directly interacting with the women, like a form of psychological pressure. When they are alone (when ciri sneaks up on them) they mingle amongst each other in their natural forms, as there's no need for such pretence. Furthermore, their magical tapestry in their basement likely reveals their true forms too. And once they realise they've been ambushed, they take on their more pressuring forms.
Never thought of it like that but it actually makes a lot of sense. Good perspective man!
@@egeozdemir5094that's true. That's.. Actually a very new and interesting take not too out of reach for dictator witches within the Witcher world context
The Spirit of Velen is fascinating yet one thing baffles me for all her power she chooses to rule over a small region of Temeria despite being capable of such great feats of magic like creating the Crones and another baffling aspect of her character is her desire for love in all it's forms and the lengths she'll go to achieve it
If she has exisited long before the first life on the Continent then the offerings she receives would hold no real value for her
Did her weakening connection to Velen come about because of her negligence to her duties or is it a symptom of her madness?Was Velen tainted by her insanity or her growing weakness?
The greatest irony of her tragic tale is that her daughters gradually descend into madness as their mother
With centuries imprisoned She-who-Knows gradually came to the realization that she should look for purpose instead of her obsession with ending her lonliness which is why she chooses to save the children from her daughters is released thereby ending her mental anguish through benevolent deeds which could be argued as the begining of a potential redemption arc
I find it auspicious that her potential release from her prison coincides with the impending invasion of the Wild Hunt and the coming of the White Frost
These are just my thoughts on the matter of She-Who-Knows
Reminds me of the story of Circe in greek literature :) although she had a family she was rejected and soon exiled to an empty island. She felt lonely and like no one understood her until humans came. She thought they could be friends, but they assaulted her, then Circe started to act harshly against any intruders to her island
You do know that Circe is a half-goddess and thus grew up in a human family, right?
@@efaristi9737 Yes, I've read a whole book about it. And she is not a half-goddess, she is a GODDESS, just minor and greek gods are usually born adults. I didn't say the stories mirror each other completely, but some aspects do fit.
@@erisofliria Hmm, actually you're right, i don't know why i was so sure she had a human parent.
And sorry but so far, only Athena is born adulte, most gods seems to had a childhood phase though it's not the same as humans.
But that whole "she was rejected by her divine family, felt lonely and thought humans could be her friend but they betrayed her", where does that come from ?
@@efaristi9737 Tales about her persona and her relationship with the humans who came to her island before Odysseus. But I know she's more often depicted as bad and vindictive... Tho in mythology, specially greek imo, it's about the authors and what kind of story they wanted to tell. Circe is known because of the Odyssey, through Odysseus eyes, but there are other stories about her.
@@erisofliria what tales ?
I always saw her more like a gray character like most characters in greek mythology.
Basically you have the choice of letting the villagers and their future generation live in perpetuity as cowardly slaves/cattle for the crow's, paying for their pathetic existance by feeding their own children to the crows or basically force them into freedom, a dangerous and uncertain freedom where they face the forces of nature on their own, but freedom nevertheless.
That decision isn’t actually as good as people think. The town get slaughtered regardless if you help the tree or not. Either The tree kills them, barons daughter and witch hunters come through and kill most of them, or the barons men come through and kill most of them. You don’t know what happens to the children because supposedly the tree saves them but with no proof except from gran and crones they got took or location to find them to see they are okay given they were saved by a tree. A tree dead center of a dangerous swamp. While knowing the tree itself was also bloodthirsty and killed many innocents like the crones. Gran is even crazier then when she had the kids regardless if they are taken by the tree or the crones because she either goes crazy because of punishment from crones for losing the kids or crazy because the crones took the kids. But I think that was the point. A quest with no happy endings for anyone but Geralt. Barons has to save his potential gone wife, daughter stuck with witch hunters and can’t leave to help with mother which was whole reason of joining, town destroyed, orphans given to magical tree or monsters, and the Barons hold on crow perch turns into a shitehole without him. Only person who gains from this was Geralt because he got information on Ciri.
I kindda like the fact that the Crones rules as deities over the people in Velen
@@thorn.fieldnstathey eat kids
I'd love a video exclusively about the Crones!
1:21 I wouldn't rule out that She-Who-Know isn't from another sphere like the other monsters, her book described her as coming from "a faraway land".
3:14 You're very poetic but i do question your sources since the games never mentionned any of that.
There is gwent, the online game in witch you can find out mora about people or monsters such as her
@@markozerdin9784 I'm really starting to think i shouldn't have spent all my keys on non-humans lore...
@@efaristi9737 I honestly just guessed that is where the info is. I am not a Monster main, I play Northern realms, so I wasted my keys on them. Good luck on the path
@@markozerdin9784 thanks
I see a lot of arguments that the 3 daughters are more evil than their mother
Why?
@@marcusblackwell2372there was prosperity before they turned on their mother. The whisperess may be the one causing people to sleep walk to the hillock in hopes to finish off the mother. The mother will save the children and they will go to novigrad. The mother does not harm or warp her help in any wicked way. She does transform the barons wife into a monster for serving the daughters. The daughters grant their promises in wicked ways such as sickening the barons wife. The mother is spiteful and does kill the village that bad mouths her which is consistent with her nature.
The daughters request children sacrifices from the villagers without any tangible benefit as compared to killing adult men.
The daughters didnt protect the local villagers from witch hunters
At least some arguements i saw. I still will always kill she who knows / evil tree heart
@@marcusblackwell2372I think it's because they wanted the mother gone and prob were the ones who got rid of her in the past. But I've heard theories about the mother being the most evil.
Would be cool if some future witcher content game or otherwise has ciri master her powers fully and they have to find out how to kill the mother because ciri killed 2 out of 3 plus it would give closure to vesemirs medallion
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Could it be, that some of the Unseen Elder Vampires know Gaunder O Dimm and are afraid of him? Or is Gaunder afraid of the Powers of a Unseen Elder? Could O Dimm be something that has come trough the conjunction of the spheres or is he something like she who knows who was already "there"?
So, the Crones's mother is native to the Witcher world?
Apparently. Now as to what reign she is native it's uncertain, since there's evidence the Crones were in Toussaint besides residing at Velen in the game
@@erisofliria maybe one of the crones just take a little trip to Toussaint?
@@ryu2683 it's a possibility :) I doubt they would but I wish the developers elaborate on that in the new game
It's a possibility but the book about her don't answer that question, nor does the ghost or the Crones. All we know, is that she come from a faraway land which could mean another continent or another sphere.
old witcher can i ask you a interesting question?
Yep
@@OldWitcherso we know signs the witcher magic and we know a witcher can do it with one hand but can they do it with both hands like lets say geralt uses the fire sign and uses both hands can he also combine it and make a super flamethrower
OldWitcherec exuse me did my comment came in?
This is a really difficult question, but that can work)
We seen this in the Witcher 2, in fight between Geralt and Letho, there Letho cast his aard with two hands and it was really powerfull aard. So, i think, combined witcher sign with two hands can be more powerfull than usual.
@@sueflewelling3657yes. Watch the fight between geralt and the assassin Witcher geralt uses igni with both hands and it’s a lot more powerful and read the books the one where geralt fights the striga. He uses both hands and casts ard to stop the monster from advancing then stops casting it just as the striga was about to get him so it went flying away