Sharon Lerner - Investigating 3M’s Use of Forever Chemicals | The Daily Show
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- ProPublica reporter Sharon Lerner sits down with Michael Kosta to discuss her latest piece in collaboration with The New Yorker on 3M’s use and concealment of forever chemicals. They talk about how the company’s secrets came to light, where people can find forever chemicals, and what it takes to be a good investigative journalist. #DailyShow #ProPublica #InvestigativeJournalism
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If I was to poison people I would go to prison, if a company does it they get a small fine. They should be criminally charged if they knew what they were doing.
Yup, exactly.
Amen!
Agreed!
Thank you Ms. Lerner and Michael -- interview was constructive. No laughing matter.
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Brings new meaning to the term “blood money” when a company knowingly sells a product, that they knew permanently leaves chemicals in your blood.
Maybe misanthropy is right
No, it doesnt
With publicly traded companies it’s the incentive structure to act like that and I no longer see the goverment and corporations as seperate. People act like facism is merging of the two and no, that’s a right wing authoritarian and strong dominance personality trait goverment, So if you look at it like that, the state of the country makes more sense because companies roughly operate based on laws and incentive structures of the goverment and thus are a sort of decentralized way to manage a complex system that is a society. A country isn’t divided by goverment and private, it’s just a single complex system with different strategies for managing certain goals to enhance our lives.
"To maximize shareholder value by...."
Nope, nothing in there about not poisoning people. Carry on.
@@ateamfan42 yeah and the part they leave out about “maximizing shareholder value” is the distain people often have for lower classes of people or just the fact that when you don’t have oxytocin bonds or vassopressin binds with people under a common banner, then they just exist to extract your energy to benefit themselves
John oliver did an awesone episode on PFAS forever chemicals
Thereby opening "some" peoples eyes.
Awesome. I'm going to look for that now.
I was just googling PFOS, but John is way better :)
@@Richard-ug4el yeah he is one of my favs. Hope you like the episode glad I could spread the word
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Oliver does every subject like this so much more justice. For daily show it's just a short interview
Back in 2005, we collected tap water samples from residents living near DuPont’s Chambers Works facility in New Jersey and found PFAS in their drinking water. We knew about this for such a long time and have been fighting to get state action in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware since then. Only recently in the spring of 2024 did the EPA finally adopt drinking water standards for certain kinds of PFAS.
We had to replace leaded gasoline (ended 1996) with something worse. Ugh.
This is a perfect interview for Americans to watch! A funny, humble guy asking about something that we REALLY NEED to know about.
Don't forget Dupont Teflon
they have a Teflon Dupont CEO
also made with flourine
One of the chief scientists at DuPont was once appointed the #2 guy at the EPA. He then brought more DuPont execs with him to the EPA. The very agency that was supposed to being investigating DuPont and protecting us from their harmful chemicals had their own exes running the "investigation". How insane was that?
Yes!!!!! THANKU. Sooooo many.
@@ChannelMathteens ,healthy teens begging for ozem pic or using their mom's. !!!!
There’s a big 3M scandal here in Belgium, too, about them illegally releasing PFAS into the river Scheldt, and dumping contaminated PFAS soil with no precautions or protection whatsoever.
Is there ANY corporation that isn't criminally scandalous?!
As soon as a chemical can be sold, then and thereafter no one can find any thing wrong with it. We got a product to sell here nothing to see here move along.
They shouldn’t keep using the term ‘company’ all the time, these are decisions made by people, and those people need to lose ALL their money and go to jail. Quit letting people hide behind their company.
Every company is just a piece of paper. Every company is controlled by people who pull their pants on, on leg at a time. They're the ones who decide to do this and to not do that.
Problem is that corporations are considered people, only with more rights protecting them from most criminal responsibility. That was done on purpose so that the people who actually run the...ummm...people (?) CAN'T be held accountable.
You can thank the got deciding corporations are "people" and the actual people are not accountable for anything terrible the corporation does.
Citizens United was the final nail in the coffin, only way anything gets better is if we force money out of politics.
You have no idea. All corporations, including limited-liability corporations (a combination of an individual and a corporation), have exemption for their owners from liabilities that the company incurs during business. Isn't that crazy?
THANK YOU Sharon Learner. What you have done is important and a great service. Respect.
this is what i LIVE FOR ( not forever chemicals ) GREAT REPORTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whenever I feel down on myself, I just remind myself that I don't have a job that actively hurts people, I don't support a political party that actively hurts people, and I don't spread hate and bigotry online. I may not be lighting up the world with brilliance, but I'm not trying to burn it down either.
It so hard these days to ethically buy ANYTHING.
very well said. I too am trying to do my little part knowing it won't accomplish much in the big picture but at least I know I did the right thing. Telling others is important also.
This is important. THANKS daily show for bringing this to a broader audience. This matters.
Thank you, Sharon, for your excellent work.
Terrifying. 3M sounding like Dupont
They should be paying everybody's medical bills.
If we had universal health care like the rest of the civilized world the government, i.e. all of us, would be incentivized to prevent this kind of crime.
Right now, the sicker we are the richer the for-profit health care system is. Insurance, pharma, private hospitals, you name it.
The Free Market is a scam.
...Forever.
Only way they'll pay a cent is if we make them, either through legislation or force.
Total medical spending must increase every year . Big percentage of GNP
Suffering stuffs 💔 someone's pockets
To the tune of going broke!!!
The original interview with the scientist was on ProPublica. More Americans need to support real journalism.
I’m still trying to wrap my brain around the 1975 study they did. It takes another level of wishful thinking to ignore something impacting billions of people to keep your stock price up.
Same time as the tobacco industry burying info about cancer and oil companies burying info about climate change...
It's, always a calculated risk: if i make morbidly-unreasonable profits doing something which harms the public, will anyone find out and correct my misdeeds before i can stash my ill-gotten gains offshore?
"To maximize shareholder value by...."
Nope, nothing in there about not poisoning people. Carry on.
'75 is when i went to Chanute AFB to begin training as a government sponsored international terrorist (aka "firefighter"). Sharon interviewed me for this article.
Half the country will watch this and still go vote for unbriddled capitalism and "free markets" with "less regulation". Because as we all know, corporations are always looking out for our well-being and money is more important than generational health. We are so f#$%&!
Simple life fresh air organic food is over years ago 😅
@@a1a12b2bcertainly, if we accept your narrative.
It's sad children can't tell capitalism from corporatism. Us schools failed everyone
@@HAHb-zc2dp I agree with you. However, if our political system has turned capitalism into corporatism, what is the practical distinction? I'm not a "socialist", "marxist", "communist" blah blah. Unlike all the political science and history experts on TH-cam, I don't claim to understand the complexities of those systems or their labels. But I certainly am not convinced that unregulated capitalism in this country's current definition and practice is any better. If we could inject some morality and common sense into our campaign finance rules (and SCOTUS practices), I might start to understand better...
No, what they’ll vote for is fascism.
Fair play to Sharon for taking a year of her life to expose this corporate indifference and greed.
Public awareness and consciousness will be stimulated by this and results will follow.
Color me doubtful.
@@rtd1791 I’d agree with you on any discernible action happening with any kind of immediacy, but a seed of awareness has been placed into public consciousness and from that will come change.
@@rtd1791well she is trying to get famous and make money😂 all of America is built on this someone is always selling something
@@bhonest-gb5zg Nobody goes into investigative journalism to get rich and famous 😂 she says she's there to spread awareness, and clearly doesn't have the personality of someone who strives to be on TV, she's just stating facts without dressing them up
Unfortunately, there are so many more companies that do this as well. It's like whack - a - mole.
These companies must be held responsible - by spending a large percentage of their annual profits on developing technology to remove these chemicals from the environment. Clean up your own mess (with 3rd party supervision and evaluation)!
Sure wish more info about Glycosphate aka-RoundUp, being very dangerous!!!!!!
It's glyphosate and the only thing we have currently less dangerous is industrial vinegar.
Too bad we don't have some sort of agency to protect the environment in this country. Someone should really look into that.
Too bad the Republicans have been defunding and eliminating the powers of the FDA and other watchdog groups for decades.
Yeah, that's it, a "protection agency" of some sort. They could guard the environment we all have in common. Imagine! We would be so proud of this agency! We would treat their investigation and recommendations with the utmost respect. We'd never have to worry about the air we breath or the water we drink ...just a dream, but something like this would never allow these chemicals into the streams of our forests or the blood stream of our children.
Great interview. One critical aspect that wasn't covered was, what do PFAS chemicals actually do to human health, animal health etc.
We lived by 3M in the 80s. There was a swimming lake across the freeway from the main building, called Tanners Lake. I went in once and it smelled soo much like bandaids and my skin was waterproof and slick for a couole days! True story!
Yeah, when the city of Oakdale tells you not to eat fish from Tanners Lake, you KNOW it's bad! I don't know why they even still have a swimming beach there
I read the whole ProPublica piece - it's incredible work. Thank you for platforming this vital and underappreciated kind of reporting!
Here in Wisconsin Republicans voted Down Our Governor Evers action to Combat PFAS ! 🤡🤯
Republicans want to decide how the 125M gets spent. Evers vetoes because the Rs would turn it into a slush fund for their buddies.
Three ways to deal with the absurd: suercide/religious beliefs in higher purpose/ or rebelling against the absurdity. I’ve gone through the first 2 and now I’m moving on to the last one. And in truth it’s the only true option. Live as if life is rebellion against the meaningless chaos these law and order people create.
"Evers vetoed that Rs want to decide how 125M in PFAS trust gets spent. And we know their R buddies will win."
Don't censor this.
Best interview on the Daily Show ever!
Please do more of this type of reporting
Thank you for covering this, I knew nothing about this prior to this report
As some that holds a bachelor’s degree in environmental economics and public policy, I’m appalled, but not surprised. This supports the notion that historically underserved communities are disproportionately impacted by environmental catastrophes. The poorest of the poor, simply cannot afford to avoid single use plastic products.
And no one goes to jail.
The system works
Sadly...🤬🤬🤬
In the most extreme cases, the corporation pays some minor fines that are seen as just a cost of doing business, and then carry on.
Only if you rich
Great share... Another reason why voting is vitally important!!! ✊🏿✊🏽✊️✊🏻💙💙💙
hello from Maine...the PFAS state...the way life shouldn't be...!!
Maine was lucky to have DEP employees sounding the alarm 15 years ago. I know of one who lost her job as a result.
Also, I agree, being the nation’s tailpipe is not great.
Great article. Thank you.
Sometimes I wonder if Kosta is host material... But he recognized the audience was so down over this that two attempts at breaking the tension failed... and he kept on it 'till they finally broke, and the laughs started flowing. He saved the Audience from a sad, quiet ride home later.
Michael did great in this interview
One of the most important interviews of the year! Also the DarkWater movie was a pioneer for awareness. 3M should be sued out of business.
The article is not on the New Yorker website as of june 27 2024
Just the right amount of Comedy, Earnestness, Directness, and Seriousness
Well done Daily Show
Dupont Corning killed my father by deciding to stop making his trachea tubes because they weren't cost efficient to make and sell.
Thank you Sharon for your work!!
THANKS for this info!
Thanks, Sharon!!
Minnesota Mining and Manufactoring was so smart they invented tape and post it notes, but didn't know the chemicals they were dumping were dangerous. Sounds like corporations should get more tax relief.
Wow I'm speechless
I appreciate the years she has put into her research ❤
Kosta did an amazing job on this interview. Prepared and informative
I think it provides a curiously nuanced view of 3M that they first heard about these chemicals in the '70's, and at _that_ point, they could've opted to stop _producing_ forever chemicals and/or they could've diverted some of their resources to the development of safe methods to break them _down,_ and instead, they opted to develop methods to silence people who sound the _alarm_ about them.
Plastic is "The New Lead(Pb)" of this Civilization
Lead was known be damaging in the 1920s and it took until 1996 to get rid of leaded gasoline.
Amazing I used to live very close to the Cumberland River very close to the lock which drains into Old Hickory Lake. This is in Nashville. I always got a feeling when I was there next to the 3M Plant. Thanks to Sharon's research I now know what that something is, but what to do?
Corporate greed has been going on for eons. Let's not forget the Love Canal, Oak Ridge, Tennessee or companies in many other places around the world killing us slowly without impunity.
I like investigative journalists, and shedding light is important.
Please don't think she is scientist. She knows a lot on this subject, but is not a biologist nor medically trained.
Every time I throw away some plastic my soul dies a little the reason the government is on this is because it’s all about the money they don’t care about us we’re just collateral damage follow the money
Now we know PFAs are everywhere. The question is what can be done about it?
But my couch & carpet look GREAT 😮
Since Scotchguard!???!! Nice to know I had almost 10 years of clean blood!!😢 Great investigative reporting!! 😮
Kosta is WAY better behind the desk. Loving him lately!
Thank you.
I'm always fascinated that at some point it became cost effective and PROTIFABLE to put chemicals in everything. You read a bread label now are there are 25 ingredients?!
This should be a priority in the presidential agenda! We don’t need all these toxic chemicals!! RFK is the only one talking about this but for some reason he is hated for it.
Echoes of Union Carbide and Dow Chemical
My hometown of wausau, wi has one of the last oldest 3M building in the country. So many genetic health issues around here, much environmental corruption and zero support or relief to the most vulnerable communities who have been affected. I personally have had cytogenetic abnormalities medically documented since birth (1987) and I had to seek out genetics myself to explain it to me as an adult and also pursue the correct dx of the health issues I have. Yay for 31 yrs to a correct connective tissue disorder diagnosis, so much unknowing injuries, damage ect. I'll get none of that time back, my body will always be broken and I'll always have no choice to have these bad health outcomes.
Great doctor Dupont about this topic called The Devil we Know.
thank you.
My tombstone will say
"Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care" George Carlin
❤❤❤❤❤ thank you soooooo much for being pushy! 😂 keep up the fabulous work and tiring work
What are the effects of PFOS or forever chemicals? I don't think I heard her say.
Malignant neoplasms of various kinds and some endocrine system dysfunctions have been associated with exposure to these, chemicals, which are now found in almost all mammalian breast milk, including that of humans. Long-term studies, are still too rare and not well-funded.
When I was a new guy on the Air Force (1999), California banned the de-icing chemical we had on base (Travis AFB). In response, I watched in person, my workmates take the trucks under orders to an area near the end of the runway that is protected wet lands and dump it all out. I was appalled but also the new guy.
I was seriously eating microwave popcorn when I learned just now that PFAS is also in microwave popcorn. 😬
I cannot focus at all with Michael saying "uh-huh" "yeah" and "right" every second
There needs to be a list available online listing all the products that have them
The most insane thing about this article is that the woman in the article discovered that pregnant women actually pass down the PFAS in their blood to their newborn children so even a completely newborn baby already has these forever chemicals in their blood.
OUR Grandparents economy had moved from agricultural to service - OUR AGE - health care & health service providers have a large demographic in the WORK FORCE
Time to LEARN TO GROW THINGS AGAIN - COUZINZ 🇨🇦
there was a last week tonight on this as well
Look into Pfas in Wilmington, NC.
In 1970 I was 18 and my mother brought home a Teflon pan. I said at the time the reason you food doesn’t stick to It is because it sticks to your food. 😮
Like Dupont 3M uses the same commercial from the 60s bettet living through chemistry 😂
Thank you for your work Ms. Lerner! 🙏
deep down i think everyone knows that nothing is going to change.
Great
Exactly, this is the point, saying that is an individual problem and putting the guilty in an individual is a such liberalism, neoliberalism, capitalism thing to do. Capitalism is a way to make us sick, liberalism is the ideology, conservadorism is just more liberalism, called neoliberalism
After being diagnosed with UC when I was 15, all the doctors have wondered where it came from, but no one ever mentions forever chemicals. I take 2 $14k/u 40ml injections a month ($0 with insurance) for the rest of my life.
I grew up with BIG Slogan. "BETTER LIVING WITH CHEMISTRY!" as simple as Please and Thank you.
It became the ironic slang for Mental Health Rx.
PFAS may have an EPA limit now, but water treatment plants are not being required to treat for them nor are they being regulated to do so. To be fair it’s being talked about at the AWWA, but it will be years beforea requirement will be broadly implemented
I like that 3m stays with me forever
That should be their motto
Nevada Missouri...😢
WEll Done Michael!!!
We ALSO all have Radioactivity in our Blood from the Pacific Nuclear Tests.
I make popcorn in the microwave, but like just in my own paper bag with a bit of olive oil.
forever chemicals have been in all city and county water for decades. This makes sense, but what can we do now?
I am one of the engineers working the PFAS response for a fortune-500 company. We use tens of thousands of PFAS-containing products. These chemicals are in everything. And no, 3M didn't tell us the truth either.
3M is discontinuing their PFAS lineup in December of 2025 - completely leaving the market. The EU, alongside many US States, are trying to introduce PFAS regulations to limit the use and manufacture of these chemicals. In industry, we've been taking steps for years.
Sadly, because these compounds are so ubiquitous, their phase-out will take decades. It's not just single-use plastics; PFAS are used in medical devices, the oil and gas industry - you name it. This will be a generation-long effort, but i believe we can do it. We've done it before for CFCs and chromium.
We need universal health care to incentivize responsible environmental lawmaking. Stat!
100% agree. Give the people the ability and access to be as healthy as they can and proactively be aware. We must direct the changes we want to see in the future and now. We know it is possible to do better and we shouldn't have to be given no choice to suffer through without accurate and accessible health care. @@readwriteteach
Imagine a world with accountability
Well, seems like3M has broken this country…. Universal healthcare now and 3M pays for it.!!!!!
You’re right to connect the dots. UHC incentivizes better environmental laws. It closes the loop of causes and effects.
In much of the EU chemicals must be proven safe before use. In the US, companies can poison us for five years before sharing their research.
Lots of companies do what 3M did and delay this paperwork™️ for decades.
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Kosta needs to stop punctuating his guest's talk with "right"s. It makes him seem so impatient. Just let her talk!
I dunno, I found the segment incredibly informative -- I think he did let her talk
It's called active listening. Deal with it.
Forever chems. What lovely buzz words.
And if you pay a company for water service, now you’re paying to have those chemicals removed from your water. Please get furious about this! $12B+ is nowhere near enough for these heinous acts! They made 100s of trillions of dollars on these products…less than $13B in fines and we get to pay to get rid of it…on top of paying for the products that contain(ed) and paying for our healthcare costs for the untold negative health issues these compounds cause… and who knows how it has truly affected the environment, so we may be paying for it with increased climate events. I know a lot of that is speculation and unproven, but most if not all is not disproven…
Costa gotta work on his “yah”s in interviews
Can I mention that the Florida keys are a part of the map of the USA but don't make it to the daily show map?? Come on show me the KEYS!!!
Yoopers are forgotten regularly and sometimes get attached to Wisconsin.
The USA has no EPA for manufactured products. We dont test things for safety. Safety recalls happen only when there are lawsuits because someone designed a product that seriously injured or killed someone and then the company recalls the product because it worries about lawsuits. So we basically rely on personal injury lawyers to regulate every industry in the USA that is not either petrochemical related or medicine related. That should be a problem. We allow companies without any regulatory process to sell whatever they think would sell well using whatever they want to use in the products. When a company manufactures a dangerous product, the lawsuits do result after the fact, but by then its too late, more often than not the CEO and all their buddies know of the danger, have already offloaded the profits into their own pockets and left the company as a shell to be seized and dismembered by the lawsuits. We need a better system than this.
Nice, really nice!😢😮
11:00 another similar way to reduce content in your body is to donate bl00d regularly