V. Knoxville this is late af but ehh big boss is really just a dick, I don't think he would've cared about kaz either way. He never seemed to actually care about most people, hell I mean solid is a sociopath and liquid is just insane.
This Ending Dialogue is the fucking best, especially with Ocelot prophesizing the Fated Battles that would take place between the Legendary Sons of the Big Boss (Hell, he probably could also be referencing MGS4, with the Final Battle being between Solid and Liquid Ocelot in their fight atop Outer Heaven). I also love how this also CLEARLY gives off shit-tons of hints that it probably and very likely WAS Ocelot who killed Miller in the very beginning, before the Events at Shadow Moses took place .
No it's not. The whole game completely undermines the stories set in the previous games. For fucks sake Kaz even gets pissed at the real Big Boss when HE was the one who made deals with Cipher behind his back FIRST.. He is a fucking traitor, he should have been on that boat along with Huey. Peace Walker and even MGS3 already left a lot of things to our imagination as to why Big Boss became "evil". But MGSV blows it out the window. There are even time inconsistencies in the game itself along with other inconsistencies. MGSV ´is a game that should never have been made. The Real Metal Gear Solid 5 was Peace Walker.
+nizakat iqbal The reason why it has less is because people were complaining about Mgs games having "too many cutscenes". That all had the right amount to me.
+PDolan Miller became a whiny, emotional bitch at the end who acted like Snake was his GF who left him. Dude is being completely selfish and petty and I'm glad Ocelot called him out and gave him a warning like he did.
+Gabriel Laureles-Arias Miller just feels betrayed by BB so thats why he goes back to Cypher and aids Solid who is unknownlingly an agent of the Patriots/Cypher
So much poetic justice huh? In the end Kaz dedicated his life training Solid Snake the "weaker" son of Big Boss and Ocelot stayed with Liquid Snake in hope to fulfill Big Boss dream. It's also sad how Kaz really got attached to children, specifically the kid that grew up to kill him.
+itsddashrock Maybe it was Ocelot, and he says here that "one of us will have to kill the other", so it makes sense. But I'm sure Liquid gave him the order since it's essential to his whole plan in MGS1.
This is actually pretty significant once you think about it. While Solid Snake was still a clone of Big Boss at the end of the day and certainly had a lot of natural talent, he also always had the worst genes out of the four "original" Snakes (i.e. not counting Venom Snake). My gut feeling tells me that it's because of Kaz's training that Solid Snake was able to make up for that shortfall and be the best Snake at the end of the day.
in Liquids mind he had the worst genes...when infact he was a perfect clone...i think what he really wanted was Big boss to accept him..Boss kept saying that he wasn't his kid..often would kick his ass to set him straight...Liquid felt beneath big boss and his test..while Soild snake defeated him in Combat twice..which burned Liquid even more. at least something along those lines haha
poor venom snake despite helping build the legend of big boss despite being an absolute baddass for just being a man who THINKS hes the true big boss to have raised an army he still ends up getting axed off in the first metal gear game. what a way to go. :/
Unlike Ocelot that he is so meticulous and cold minded, Kaz is so driven by emotions and that makes him suffer even more. Imagine losing the purpose or your life and the one you admire the most betrays you. I feel so sorry for him.
Still see people making claims that MGSV's body double twist was done solely to explain Big Boss's survival in MG1. Like seriously? Did people really miss the point that badly
shadowshinobi06 Liquid should have died like 4 times in MGS1. I guess they had a couple Venom Liquids on standby? Lol. Jokes aside Venom wasn't fleshed out at all. You can tell the game was rushed. Created more questions than it answered. This is the only reactions we get to the body double. Honestly I find this waaaay more notable than what Skull Face did. And the game just brushes it aside in time to say "the end."
@shadowshinobi06 Liquid was shot by bullets, missiles (both in the face at almost pointblank range), inside the Hind D as it it exploded (before falling), inside Metal Gear Rex as it exploded like Gray Fox inside Metal Gear D in MG2, fell off of Rex, got impaled (comic adaptation), and took no damage from any of that. The only damage Liquid took was from Foxdie affecting his body and killing him.
@shadowshinobi06 wasn't comparing I was correcting on Liquid's durability. For Big Boss that was just plot induced stupidity, we see in MGS3 how The Fury disperses fire going omnidirectional and Big Boss is mere feet away from him and is unaffected by the flames or how we see in MGS5 Volgin set him on fire and took no damage at all.
So wait does that make you Ocelot, or Miller? Just about everyone knows that most of this game’s shortcomings were the result of Konami’s meddling. So call me Ocelot.
The true outer heaven is the players. The players are the nation. This conversation is basically saying they are waiting for this to be complete.. This game is not finished. I think Konami is holding an update file for the rest of the game for after nuclear disarment happens. And I know pc got the cutscene but that was by mistake.
Real After credits phone call conversation *rings* Its me, Yes, all of the game data of Metal gear Solid is in our hands. Yes, we removed all data of Kojima. He is totally out of the picture. Yes, Silent Hills has been canceled. Mr. Del Toro is heading back to the states. All MGS fans are in shock right now. Hehe, they don't know what hit them. Yes we will make MGS survive. fans will still buy it. Easy money for us. Yes. Thankyou Mr. Director Of *K O N A M I.* Que Music
He friggin warns Kaz not to go back to Cipher and what does Kaz do? He aids friggin Foxhound and Snake, an arm of Cipher in order to kill Big Boss. What did he expect when Ocelot showed up on his doorstep in Alaska?
@@pokadotty3554 Well Kaz got what he deserved, in Peace Walker, Kaz revealed he lied to Big Boss, if you listened to one of the audio cassette tapes that Kaz was talking to Cipher behind Big Boss's back. You think Miller suffered so much loss? Big Boss suffered a lot more emotional pain and loss, he got sick and tired of being used and betrayed by his mentor The Boss, at that point Big Boss lost respect to her for betraying him, and now Kaz lied to him, karma is a b****, Big Boss got even by lying to Kaz. Big Boss has the right to be angry first
1:29 this conversation has to had taken place after venom snake rescued kaz and brought him to mother base. it explains why through the game kaz was always angry, annoyed, and frustrated about everything while ocelot was being cool and relaxed (especially since he told the real big boss he will have to convince himself venom is the real big boss). it also explains who assassinator kaz in metal gear solid 1. at first it was suggest that liquid had done it since he impersonated kaz. but the end dialogue with ocelot and kaz here about getting each other would implicate ocelot did it
Honestly, what did Miller expect was gonna happened? Here is the thing, Khaz had knowingly, and fully willingly been complicit to cypher before, back in Peace Walker. Now he tried to justify it, saying it was in the best interest of bussiness, however Big Boss talked down tonhim like he was a child who didn't get what he was trying to do. This is where I think BB decided to cut Khaz loose, he would always put bussiness first before the ideals BB was fighting for, in other words, Miller was not Outer Heaven material. And here is another kicker: Miller had been complicit to Cypher more than once. Now from what I get this conversation happens way after Venom awakes and Diamond Dogs rises. If that is the case, then Khaz would believe that Venom is the real Big Boss. Now when the real BB woke up, Ocelot spilled the beans and told him everything, including who was behind Big Boss rescue, and you had to imagine BB was keeping a close eye on Diamond Dogs from the shadows, at no point did Khaz tried to tell Venom (who I assumed he thought to still be the real Big Boss) that Zero had orchestred the rescue and exhfiltration from Cypruss, once again being acomplice to Cyphers schemes, now had he told Venom like Ocelot told Big Boss, then Miller would have proven his loyalty. Now how many contracts did Khaz accept that turned out to be indirectly from Cypher? C'mon, either the man was completely incompetent in his vigilance or he continued to be complicit to Cypher for the sake of bussiness. Also add in the fact that whenever Venom didn't do as Khaz wanted he threw a little childs fit, questioning and arguing "Big Boss" orders in front of the men, which is a major NO in any military organization. So the fact that he was surprised that he was relieved from BB's organization just shows how oblivious he was, and the liability he ultimately proved to be.
I have a whole love/hate relationship with the ending of the game. It feels like Kojima wanted to justify Big Boss being in Metal Gear MSX and Metal Gear 2. It also just comes out of nowhere and feels really unjustified. Perhaps they were also trying to pull another MGS2 where it wasn't Big Boss who did it all, it was really you, but that was in a meta-sense in MGS2. They're quite literal here, and it just doesn't feel as graceful. However, i think it works in trying to fit in Kaz's shoes and developing how we'd feel about Big Boss in MG MSX and MG2. Big Boss was further deviating from The Boss' will, making him just as guilty as Zero and his Patriots.
No, mgs5 is all part of the plan. Mgs5 is the missing link of all the stories. That, all because of big bosses phantom. After what happened in Metal gear 2: solid snake. The whole world thought solid snake killed big boss. Then in guns of patriots ending, big boss showed up. Mgs 5 is the missing puzzle we wanted.
Karma is a bitch. Kaz got what he deserved, he lied to Big Boss first in Peace Walker, when Kaz was talking to Cipher behind Big Boss's back, Big Boss is pissed first, he's sick and tired of being used and betrayed by his own mentor The Boss, and now Kaz deceived him, so Big Boss got even by lying to Kaz by telling these plans to Ocelot behind his back
@@tovolume I guess it was true what Ocelot said. If the day ever came that Kaz decided to go back to Cipher aka. the Patriots, Ocelot aided the son, that being Liquid Snake, while Kaz perhaps in a sense taught the other son, that being Solid Snake in Survival techniques, then the two of them became foes. One of them had to kill the other.
if kojima never got fired we might get a mgs6 the true ending and the last cycle of story play as real the big boss with improved gameplay of mgs5 also we re going to see solid snake as a child just as eli
@@arnavnandedkar3080late but no. The outer heaven in Africa is what big boss was working on and it makes sense since it was at the center of many conflicts and pmc were needed. Venom snake likely was the one who saved sniper wolf and Naomi and Gray Fox.
@@ace9924 I think there's a confusion. Big Boss was secretly building Outer Heaven while Venom Snake was running Diamond Dogs and carrying on Big Boss's legacy. During this time Venom probably saved Sniper Wolf, Gray Fox, Naomi and did a bunch of stuff to add onto Big Boss's legacy. Once Outer Heaven was finished, Big Boss came back to Foxhound (where he met Solid Snake and trained him) and sent Venom to Outer Heaven to run its operations. Once Outer Heaven was destroyed by Solid and Venom getting killed by Solid, Big Boss (who everyone thought was dead because Venom died) secretly was creating Zanzibar which is Outer Heaven 2.0 in Africa. Zanzibar also got destroyed by Solid. Solid then almost killed Big Boss by burning him. But The Patriots saved Big Boss and finally at the end of mgs4, Big Boss and Solid Snake become friends and here Big Boss actually dies.
@@ace9924 nah all those cases either revolve around BB returning to america or training SW as a soldier. Something Venom didnt due. Also, it feels SW would be one of those kids in MG2
@@ReplacedByTheEU Metal gear 2 occurs in 1999 while the shadow moses incident is in 2005. Sniperwolf was taken in in the 1980's. Venom was largely active in the middle east and likely took her in and later saved Fox and Naomi. Diamond Dogs was absorbed into outer heaven later.
This is a cool scene but completely divorced from logic. There is no reason to think Big Boss’ sons will want to “settle the score” with him. Liquid, maybe, but Boss doesn’t care at all about Solid. That and saying the sons are “fated” to fight each other only works because we as the player know the other MGS games exist and already show this. 1980s Ocelot cannot possibly know this.
Both sons were tools of The Patriots, so it's natural to think that they would be used against Big Boss. Liquid already hated BB, and Snake was already under the care of the US gov. He would be pittied against his father sooner or later.
this explains why kaz was not around in metal gear 1 bc he was in, or at least some portion, on big boss being secretly venom snake. but it also makes sense why kaz appeared in metal gear 2 helping snake get big boss.
Kaz all pissy. Gtfo with that shit. That's what you get for hiding the fact you KNEW who Paz and the professor were. That shit was literally YOUR fault Kaz. Why tf would Big Boss trust you after that? Of fuckin course he left you behind. You did this to yourself.
Oh kaz. He says fine by me, but Im pretty sure ocelot is the one who kills him leading up to the first mgs. Wouldve liked to see kaz train solid snake.
Honestly 5 years later i'm still mixed on this reveal shit. I get why Kojima made the whole phantom thing as a way for a player to be the embodyment of big boss but i can't help but feel the whole downfall of big boss to villain was "see ya miller i gonna go do shit without you, not like we were freinds lol" mind you so much shit got cut from the game story wise it dosn't suprise me Kojima pulled this off the way he did.
Yeah well seems like in peace walker, the final cassette tape snake got was a phone call of cypher and kaz about the les enfantes project. Even tho before, Kaz told snake that cypher was the enemy, feels like snake had enough being lied to and being used so dropping kaz out of his true outer heaven project gave an easier way to solve problems regarding on building the new and better nations of soldiers
mgsV is finished, listen to what ocelot says. He is going after eli, how did he know eli is not dead? kojima is a fucking metaman ;D Mission 51, Area51 does it exist or not? The first copy of the Moby Dick Roman back in the day was missing the last chapter, what is mgs5 missing ? ;) To put the unfinished material on disc to outrage fans and discuss it. The missing"a Hideo Kojima game" on the box cover (because he is a phantom) so on and so on.... "a real phantom pain"
Anyone explain to me why real Big Boss goes back to America and to Foxhound to train Solid Snake to go on a mission to kill his phantom? Like why even bother going back to Foxhound in the first place? Isn’t he supposed to be keeping on the low and letting his phantom take the flack? Also, how can he just stroll back into America like that? Doesn’t he have a lot of enemies there that want him dead?
Once Big Boss built Outer Heaven by himself he went back to Foxhound and sent his phantom to Outer Heaven in his stead. Big Boss sent Solid Snake to Outer Heaven with the intention that Solid Snake will die in the process but he showed skills beyond Big Boss' expectations and killed his phantom in the process. Big Boss used this opportunity to fake his death and once again make an army but Solid Snake destroyed that as well.
@@WYJAFAK2 bro this is Metal Gear Solid. Weird things happen here and that creates a lot of questions. Take mgs5 for that example, the twist at the end and truth tapes creates a lot of questions. Mgs5 was supposed to provide the missing link (according to trailers) but gave more questions to us.
@@WYJAFAK2 in mgs4 Big Boss said that Zero hated/feared him but in the truth tapes of mgs5 we are hearing that Zero saved Big Boss during Ground Zeroes and it was Zero's idea to create the phantom Big boss. I mean WTH is that.
But now I want to keep Solid Snake’s legacy to continue for The Boss’ Will. I’ll start “Les Enfant Terrible” again to make clones of Solid that are stabilized to prevent accelerated. I would have transferred his Memories to his Clone so he won’t die. I would also create Clones of who supported Big Boss, Venom Snake, Solid & Raiden. As well as their Opponents they’ve defeated in battle. Each will have the same skills and abilities of the Originals. And Outer Heaven’s shall rise from every place where the threats of Metal Gear we’re defeated. So a New FOXHOUND will be Born. I’ll use the Mammal Pod A.I. to create a new Sons of the Patriots System to make the World the way The Boss wanted it as while being advised by Raiden’s LQ-84i Wolf UG. Each Metal Gear that was destroyed in the Past shall be full restored to fighting conditions and be improved like the Unmanned Metal Gear RAY that Desperado Enforcement LLC made but with human Pilots none shall be Nuclear Equipped but they’ll have Bio-Metric I.D. Locks. So they can be used against serious threats. Each one of the Clones will have replacements if they die. So this way I can make the MGS Series alive in an Infinite Loop forever. After Konami’s MG Survive disaster. I wanted to find a way to have Hideo Kojima’s Masterpiece of a Game Series to continue. I know Konami has its rights to the game but Kojima directed perfectly. It’s a fantasy of mine to make into a reality. Solid Snake is a Role Model of mine.
I get the reference but I better one would be "Konami can go to hell. I'll make Hideo Kojima and Sony stronger to send him there" because sony it sponsoring Kojima's next project
Lol no @ the previous replies. Hideo Kojima had all the creative direction in MGSV. MGSV is the fucking worst smirch on the face of the MG franchise. Fuck Kojima.
I want to know: is the conversation after the end of mission 51 or in the beginning. Because it's seems legit if it is in the beginning of the game, you can see how Kaz is angry...
W0LF10889 after you rescue him actually. during the rescue you see him as happy and excited, but afterwards he is grumpy and negative. the praises are more of a game mechanic, a response to the player receiving s-ranks and such
@@hoffa9000 I need to analyze everything Miller says. Keep in mind he praises Venom after he kills the Skulls or wipes out Metal Gear and a bunch of other in-game moments, not merely during the scoring post mission. He cannot possibly respect Venom as much as Naked Snake as much as he does during those moments unless he believed Venom was truly Big Boss.
As much as I loved this game and the story, the voice roles were totally off. This dialogue demonstrates that. Kaz sounds more like the raspy-voiced Ocelot we know from MGS1, 2 & 4. And Ocelot sounds like... I don't know... a normal dude.
He goes on to do many missions and spreads big boss's reputation and eventually him and the diamond dogs leave the Seychelles mother base and go to galzburg south Africa where they are absorbed into outer heaven. Venom snake in the 80's likely rescued Naomi and Gray Fox along with Sniper Wolf, assuming big boss wasnt active at this time as a soldier.
Yeah and (spoilers) it wasn't until MGS4 that Big Boss's Outer Heaven is accomplished. As he said, "DO YOU SEE THIS ZERO!!! WE ARE VICTORIOUS!!!! BEHOLD!!! GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS!!!" In his mind he's thinking, "So long, Zero, you lose."
@@NightWanderer31415 that's not what he was planning. The military fortress in South Africa was the nation that big boss had built in the shadows. Zanzibar land came later.
"Okay let's make a game presented as a prequel to the whole franchise and no one will be lost because they don't need to play mgs 1 to 4. " Ending credits spoiling the whole franchise.
![[SPOILERS] Metal Gear Solid V - Truth Tapes](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/q8ejMZWVplk/mqdefault.jpg)
Its so heartbreaking to go from the cassette tape of Kaz giving his back story on how he met Boss immediately to this.
+Milicsi Big Boss really fucked Kaz with this one.
+Milicsi
I know.. Kaz was my favorite. Shame to see him fall over something like not informing me of you plan.
+V. Knoxville True
V. Knoxville this is late af but ehh big boss is really just a dick, I don't think he would've cared about kaz either way. He never seemed to actually care about most people, hell I mean solid is a sociopath and liquid is just insane.
DreyfussTheCrusader Sort of, but Miller was killed by an assassin tied to Liquid before MGS1...
This Ending Dialogue is the fucking best, especially with Ocelot prophesizing the Fated Battles that would take place between the Legendary Sons of the Big Boss (Hell, he probably could also be referencing MGS4, with the Final Battle being between Solid and Liquid Ocelot in their fight atop Outer Heaven). I also love how this also CLEARLY gives off shit-tons of hints that it probably and very likely WAS Ocelot who killed Miller in the very beginning, before the Events at Shadow Moses took place .
No it's not. The whole game completely undermines the stories set in the previous games. For fucks sake Kaz even gets pissed at the real Big Boss when HE was the one who made deals with Cipher behind his back FIRST.. He is a fucking traitor, he should have been on that boat along with Huey.
Peace Walker and even MGS3 already left a lot of things to our imagination as to why Big Boss became "evil". But MGSV blows it out the window. There are even time inconsistencies in the game itself along with other inconsistencies. MGSV ´is a game that should never have been made. The Real Metal Gear Solid 5 was Peace Walker.
LionofDawn Nah
@@LionofDawn Didn't the conflict between the Sons of the Real Big Boss, began in Shadow Moses?
How can you be _that_ amazed by an omniscient character? It's just bad writing - or fan service for Kojima's cult.
Terrible the worst MGS game
The real Kojima is working in a new location Creating the real Kojima Productions says ocelot :p
so kaz is konami saying: kojima can go to hell
@@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLA who's David/Solid 👀
Poor Miller.
Well in the end, Miller's Wish for Vengeance DID technically become true through Solid of course .
+nizakat iqbal The reason why it has less is because people were complaining about Mgs games having "too many cutscenes". That all had the right amount to me.
+Triple-D26 *They
+nizakat iqbal Miller sent Solid Snake in the first Metal Gear (NES) Mission Operation Intrude N312. Solid killed off the "Phantom" Big Boss
+PDolan Miller became a whiny, emotional bitch at the end who acted like Snake was his GF who left him. Dude is being completely selfish and petty and I'm glad Ocelot called him out and gave him a warning like he did.
Big Boss really is the man who sold the world
It might've been Zero instead
And all for the low low price of 10,000,000,000,000,000GMP
He sold the world to buy a Pachinko machine to secretly create in the shadow a MGS3 Pachinko remake
If Big Boss is the ‘man who sold the world’, then to me Solid Snake is the ‘man who bought the world’ I.e MGS4.
@@songoku9348 gave it a second chance free of the ambitious of old men who couldn't understand their mentor and friends wishes
This explains why Miller calls Big Boss a monster.
+Gabriel Laureles-Arias Miller just feels betrayed by BB so thats why he goes back to Cypher and aids Solid who is unknownlingly an agent of the Patriots/Cypher
Yeah i know, i was referring to metal gear 2.
+Myron Gainsborough he got played like a fiddle by his best friend
+Myron Gainsborough SS was not agent of the Patriots at the time. It was BB himself who sent him in Outer Heaven.
+gronndar To Kill the Phantom?
So much poetic justice huh? In the end Kaz dedicated his life training Solid Snake the "weaker" son of Big Boss and Ocelot stayed with Liquid Snake in hope to fulfill Big Boss dream.
It's also sad how Kaz really got attached to children, specifically the kid that grew up to kill him.
Well we don't know who killed him being so it was never confirmed. It could of been Ocelot.
itsddashrock True, I just assumed Liquid was responsible for Kaz assassination. Ocelot is like the ultimate double agent.
+Now go! Let the legend come back to life!
Just double agent? It's triple or something else.. Is just the Ultimate 4x4 agent, hahaha
+itsddashrock Maybe it was Ocelot, and he says here that "one of us will have to kill the other", so it makes sense. But I'm sure Liquid gave him the order since it's essential to his whole plan in MGS1.
Cristián Paris Could also be that it was Ocelot's plan to do it
This is actually pretty significant once you think about it. While Solid Snake was still a clone of Big Boss at the end of the day and certainly had a lot of natural talent, he also always had the worst genes out of the four "original" Snakes (i.e. not counting Venom Snake). My gut feeling tells me that it's because of Kaz's training that Solid Snake was able to make up for that shortfall and be the best Snake at the end of the day.
Didn't Liquid Snake had the worst genes? Sorry I am still somewhat new to the story of MGS and man I just keep getting more and more confused haha.
Nope, Solid Snake has the worst. Check out the after-credits in MGS1 for full corroboration.
in Liquids mind he had the worst genes...when infact he was a perfect clone...i think what he really wanted was Big boss to accept him..Boss kept saying that he wasn't his kid..often would kick his ass to set him straight...Liquid felt beneath big boss and his test..while Soild snake defeated him in Combat twice..which burned Liquid even more. at least something along those lines haha
The real BB still trained him. It might be that.
@shadowshinobi06 Liquid is still the superior clone to Soldius, so in a sense he is perfect. All pros, no cons.
Ocelot knew everything. My favorite character in the whole franchise by far.
To be honest one of my favorite end dialouges. Sets up MGS1 perfectly
+Akir Stuart Yes! My thoughts exactly.
You mean classic Metal Gear games right? Miller was already dead in MGS1
+Leo Oliveira Miller supported Solid Snake in MG2
poor venom snake
despite helping build the legend of big boss
despite being an absolute baddass for just being a man who THINKS hes the true big boss to have raised an army
he still ends up getting axed off in the first metal gear game. what a way to go. :/
supersmashbro596 burned alived my david lol
xd Reduced to pixels and a big ham.
2:13 i can die happily hearing ocelot saying meme
He says it in MGS4 also, under the guise of liquid ocelot
Unlike Ocelot that he is so meticulous and cold minded, Kaz is so driven by emotions and that makes him suffer even more. Imagine losing the purpose or your life and the one you admire the most betrays you. I feel so sorry for him.
Still see people making claims that MGSV's body double twist was done solely to explain Big Boss's survival in MG1. Like seriously? Did people really miss the point that badly
Nanomachines...
shadowshinobi06 Liquid should have died like 4 times in MGS1. I guess they had a couple Venom Liquids on standby? Lol.
Jokes aside Venom wasn't fleshed out at all. You can tell the game was rushed. Created more questions than it answered.
This is the only reactions we get to the body double. Honestly I find this waaaay more notable than what Skull Face did. And the game just brushes it aside in time to say "the end."
@shadowshinobi06 Liquid was shot by bullets, missiles (both in the face at almost pointblank range), inside the Hind D as it it exploded (before falling), inside Metal Gear Rex as it exploded like Gray Fox inside Metal Gear D in MG2, fell off of Rex, got impaled (comic adaptation), and took no damage from any of that. The only damage Liquid took was from Foxdie affecting his body and killing him.
@shadowshinobi06 wasn't comparing I was correcting on Liquid's durability. For Big Boss that was just plot induced stupidity, we see in MGS3 how The Fury disperses fire going omnidirectional and Big Boss is mere feet away from him and is unaffected by the flames or how we see in MGS5 Volgin set him on fire and took no damage at all.
Apparently
Those who still support Kojima after this game are Ocelot everyone else is Miller
So wait does that make you Ocelot, or Miller? Just about everyone knows that most of this game’s shortcomings were the result of Konami’s meddling. So call me Ocelot.
There should be a game about the true outer heaven.
Psst, it's called Metal Gear.
I mean, this game SHOULD have been about the real big boss but that wasn't the case now know happened.
@Marky D goddamnit, I really wanted to see it so badly
@Marky D so you're saying it's real?
The true outer heaven is the players. The players are the nation. This conversation is basically saying they are waiting for this to be complete.. This game is not finished. I think Konami is holding an update file for the rest of the game for after nuclear disarment happens. And I know pc got the cutscene but that was by mistake.
IN METAL GEAR SERIES THERE IS NO EVIL THERE IS ONLY AMBITION. EVERYONE IS A VICTIM. NO ONE IS GOOD NO ONE IS BAD EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN STORIES
that would explain the entire saga
Badge Plays Old Snake i'm no hero never was i'm just an old killer
I'd argue the philosophers and volgin were outright bad.
Except Huey, fuck Huey...
@@christopherrapczynski204 volgin just wanted to empower himself and his nation
Really love Troy's voice acting here, its like a melt between Josh Keaton and Patric Zimmerman plus Baker's slight southern accent...
Facts
This proves that Ocelot is the best.
Real After credits phone call conversation
*rings*
Its me,
Yes, all of the game data of Metal gear Solid is in our hands.
Yes, we removed all data of Kojima. He is totally out of the picture.
Yes, Silent Hills has been canceled. Mr. Del Toro is heading back to the states.
All MGS fans are in shock right now. Hehe, they don't know what hit them.
Yes we will make MGS survive. fans will still buy it. Easy money for us.
Yes. Thankyou
Mr. Director
Of *K O N A M I.*
Que Music
Nicole Leah the last line should be "Konami will continue his legacy" or "long live konami"
"Death Stranding joined the conversation"
The Pachinko Pain
The Pachinko AI
“President of the United States publicly pledges to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay”
Thanks Solidus!
He friggin warns Kaz not to go back to Cipher and what does Kaz do? He aids friggin Foxhound and Snake, an arm of Cipher in order to kill Big Boss. What did he expect when Ocelot showed up on his doorstep in Alaska?
Kaz had a right to be angry at Big Boss and exact revenge against him
and he died for it.
He be like hey oce long time no see...hey u got a wig of my color and shades too and why r u removing the gun omg its not going well for me is it
@@pokadotty3554 Well Kaz got what he deserved, in Peace Walker, Kaz revealed he lied to Big Boss, if you listened to one of the audio cassette tapes that Kaz was talking to Cipher behind Big Boss's back. You think Miller suffered so much loss? Big Boss suffered a lot more emotional pain and loss, he got sick and tired of being used and betrayed by his mentor The Boss, at that point Big Boss lost respect to her for betraying him, and now Kaz lied to him, karma is a b****, Big Boss got even by lying to Kaz. Big Boss has the right to be angry first
I thought kaz did it so MSF gets supplied with motherbase upgrades
Played like a damn fiddle once again!
This was the perfect epilogue!!
It makes want a remake of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 sooo bad!
Ken Adams we almost had one but of course konami had to ruin it
Metal gear 3 is Metal gear solid
@@OrangeBall_HL Not even what I was saying lol
If listen closely, you can hear Kaz walking on two legs
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1:29 this conversation has to had taken place after venom snake rescued kaz and brought him to mother base. it explains why through the game kaz was always angry, annoyed, and frustrated about everything while ocelot was being cool and relaxed (especially since he told the real big boss he will have to convince himself venom is the real big boss).
it also explains who assassinator kaz in metal gear solid 1. at first it was suggest that liquid had done it since he impersonated kaz. but the end dialogue with ocelot and kaz here about getting each other would implicate ocelot did it
"No, Big Boss can go to hell"
:(
That line hurts so much.
Honestly, what did Miller expect was gonna happened?
Here is the thing, Khaz had knowingly, and fully willingly been complicit to cypher before, back in Peace Walker. Now he tried to justify it, saying it was in the best interest of bussiness, however Big Boss talked down tonhim like he was a child who didn't get what he was trying to do. This is where I think BB decided to cut Khaz loose, he would always put bussiness first before the ideals BB was fighting for, in other words, Miller was not Outer Heaven material.
And here is another kicker:
Miller had been complicit to Cypher more than once.
Now from what I get this conversation happens way after Venom awakes and Diamond Dogs rises. If that is the case, then Khaz would believe that Venom is the real Big Boss. Now when the real BB woke up, Ocelot spilled the beans and told him everything, including who was behind Big Boss rescue, and you had to imagine BB was keeping a close eye on Diamond Dogs from the shadows, at no point did Khaz tried to tell Venom (who I assumed he thought to still be the real Big Boss) that Zero had orchestred the rescue and exhfiltration from Cypruss, once again being acomplice to Cyphers schemes, now had he told Venom like Ocelot told Big Boss, then Miller would have proven his loyalty.
Now how many contracts did Khaz accept that turned out to be indirectly from Cypher? C'mon, either the man was completely incompetent in his vigilance or he continued to be complicit to Cypher for the sake of bussiness. Also add in the fact that whenever Venom didn't do as Khaz wanted he threw a little childs fit, questioning and arguing "Big Boss" orders in front of the men, which is a major NO in any military organization.
So the fact that he was surprised that he was relieved from BB's organization just shows how oblivious he was, and the liability he ultimately proved to be.
their conversation foreshadowing the mgs series sets at the end of 20 and begining of 21 century
I have a whole love/hate relationship with the ending of the game. It feels like Kojima wanted to justify Big Boss being in Metal Gear MSX and Metal Gear 2. It also just comes out of nowhere and feels really unjustified. Perhaps they were also trying to pull another MGS2 where it wasn't Big Boss who did it all, it was really you, but that was in a meta-sense in MGS2. They're quite literal here, and it just doesn't feel as graceful. However, i think it works in trying to fit in Kaz's shoes and developing how we'd feel about Big Boss in MG MSX and MG2. Big Boss was further deviating from The Boss' will, making him just as guilty as Zero and his Patriots.
I take it you call someone Johnny
"Fine by me." so good
guess you could say kojima played us like a fiddle
Miller was right.
How can kaz be angry after how he conspired in peace walker
This two win in their own way at the end
What was it all for? A very question I asked about this game.
For fun. I had lots of fun fultoning soldiers and putting entire enemy bases to sleep. Wolbachia.
+Cristián Paris Don't forget PEQUOD!
To explain how big boss can manage outer Heaven and comand foxhound at the same time.
gronndar If I was Miller and that mad I might say "Kojima can go to hell. I'll make Nintendo and Microsoft stronger to send him there."
No, mgs5 is all part of the plan. Mgs5 is the missing link of all the stories. That, all because of big bosses phantom. After what happened in Metal gear 2: solid snake. The whole world thought solid snake killed big boss. Then in guns of patriots ending, big boss showed up. Mgs 5 is the missing puzzle we wanted.
and it took one rookie soldier ( solid snake ) to take down an entire nation of soldiers lol
Well to save the world huh from getting enslaved
this entire time it was all a damn lie.
+The Arkham Knight Maybe that was the whole point.
Cristián Paris indeed lol
+The Arkham Knight They played us like a damn fiddle!!!!
Karma is a bitch. Kaz got what he deserved, he lied to Big Boss first in Peace Walker, when Kaz was talking to Cipher behind Big Boss's back, Big Boss is pissed first, he's sick and tired of being used and betrayed by his own mentor The Boss, and now Kaz deceived him, so Big Boss got even by lying to Kaz by telling these plans to Ocelot behind his back
@@tovolume I guess it was true what Ocelot said. If the day ever came that Kaz decided to go back to Cipher aka. the Patriots, Ocelot aided the son, that being Liquid Snake, while Kaz perhaps in a sense taught the other son, that being Solid Snake in Survival techniques, then the two of them became foes. One of them had to kill the other.
if kojima never got fired we might get a mgs6 the true ending and the last cycle of story play as real the big boss with improved gameplay of mgs5 also we re going to see solid snake as a child just as eli
Travis Touchdown interviewing Troy Baker.
I just realised something.
If Big Boss was out busy building up Zanzibar, wouldn't that mean Venom Snake was the one who taught Solid Snake CQC?
Big Boss already built it then he went to foxhound where he met snake and sent venom to outer heaven.
@@arnavnandedkar3080late but no. The outer heaven in Africa is what big boss was working on and it makes sense since it was at the center of many conflicts and pmc were needed. Venom snake likely was the one who saved sniper wolf and Naomi and Gray Fox.
@@ace9924 I think there's a confusion.
Big Boss was secretly building Outer Heaven while Venom Snake was running Diamond Dogs and carrying on Big Boss's legacy.
During this time Venom probably saved Sniper Wolf, Gray Fox, Naomi and did a bunch of stuff to add onto Big Boss's legacy.
Once Outer Heaven was finished, Big Boss came back to Foxhound (where he met Solid Snake and trained him) and sent Venom to Outer Heaven to run its operations.
Once Outer Heaven was destroyed by Solid and Venom getting killed by Solid,
Big Boss (who everyone thought was dead because Venom died) secretly was creating Zanzibar which is Outer Heaven 2.0 in Africa.
Zanzibar also got destroyed by Solid. Solid then almost killed Big Boss by burning him.
But The Patriots saved Big Boss and finally at the end of mgs4, Big Boss and Solid Snake become friends and here Big Boss actually dies.
@@ace9924 nah all those cases either revolve around BB returning to america or training SW as a soldier. Something Venom didnt due. Also, it feels SW would be one of those kids in MG2
@@ReplacedByTheEU Metal gear 2 occurs in 1999 while the shadow moses incident is in 2005. Sniperwolf was taken in in the 1980's. Venom was largely active in the middle east and likely took her in and later saved Fox and Naomi. Diamond Dogs was absorbed into outer heaven later.
This is a cool scene but completely divorced from logic. There is no reason to think Big Boss’ sons will want to “settle the score” with him. Liquid, maybe, but Boss doesn’t care at all about Solid. That and saying the sons are “fated” to fight each other only works because we as the player know the other MGS games exist and already show this. 1980s Ocelot cannot possibly know this.
Both sons were tools of The Patriots, so it's natural to think that they would be used against Big Boss. Liquid already hated BB, and Snake was already under the care of the US gov. He would be pittied against his father sooner or later.
So huey wasn't lying.... Kaz is THE traitor...
isn't it kinda terrific you are building up outer heaven. that a single guy is sneaking in destroying everything and killls you ?
In the end Kaz died for vengeance just to kill Big boss.
this explains why kaz was not around in metal gear 1 bc he was in, or at least some portion, on big boss being secretly venom snake. but it also makes sense why kaz appeared in metal gear 2 helping snake get big boss.
Big Boss played them like a damn fiddle
Kaz all pissy. Gtfo with that shit. That's what you get for hiding the fact you KNEW who Paz and the professor were. That shit was literally YOUR fault Kaz. Why tf would Big Boss trust you after that? Of fuckin course he left you behind. You did this to yourself.
Chill
@@bigfatbuns why? Are you ok? My bad
kaz deserved better
I don't feel sorry for Kaz because he betrayed Big Boss in the beginning. Ocelot never did this and replaced him.
In the end Kaz lost everything.
Mister Director?
so ocelot is the one who killed Miller before mgs 1 ?
Him or Liquid. Maybe both at the same time.
1:21 spoiler alert
Moral of the story? Revenge is a one way street, that never really seems to fix anything. If you're gonna do something, do it for the right things.
Oh kaz. He says fine by me, but Im pretty sure ocelot is the one who kills him leading up to the first mgs. Wouldve liked to see kaz train solid snake.
I am the true Big Boss and you are to.
Honestly 5 years later i'm still mixed on this reveal shit. I get why Kojima made the whole phantom thing as a way for a player to be the embodyment of big boss but i can't help but feel the whole downfall of big boss to villain was "see ya miller i gonna go do shit without you, not like we were freinds lol" mind you so much shit got cut from the game story wise it dosn't suprise me Kojima pulled this off the way he did.
Yeah well seems like in peace walker, the final cassette tape snake got was a phone call of cypher and kaz about the les enfantes project. Even tho before, Kaz told snake that cypher was the enemy, feels like snake had enough being lied to and being used so dropping kaz out of his true outer heaven project gave an easier way to solve problems regarding on building the new and better nations of soldiers
It was also an explanation to how big boss dies in MG1
@@BigBoss549 i suppose... still mixed on it. I mean a guy like big boss can cheat death all the time lol
I don't care what anyone says. Kaz won in the end.
Ocelot technically win too
"His meme"
mgsV is finished, listen to what ocelot says.
He is going after eli, how did he know eli is not dead?
kojima is a fucking metaman ;D
Mission 51, Area51 does it exist or not?
The first copy of the Moby Dick Roman back in the day was missing the last chapter, what is mgs5 missing ? ;)
To put the unfinished material on disc to outrage fans and discuss it.
The missing"a Hideo Kojima game" on the box cover (because he is a phantom)
so on and so on....
"a real phantom pain"
He doesn't state going after Eli, he talks about "the sons", which Kaz also knows about since Peace Walker.
Anyone explain to me why real Big Boss goes back to America and to Foxhound to train Solid Snake to go on a mission to kill his phantom? Like why even bother going back to Foxhound in the first place? Isn’t he supposed to be keeping on the low and letting his phantom take the flack?
Also, how can he just stroll back into America like that? Doesn’t he have a lot of enemies there that want him dead?
Once Big Boss built Outer Heaven by himself he went back to Foxhound and sent his phantom to Outer Heaven in his stead. Big Boss sent Solid Snake to Outer Heaven with the intention that Solid Snake will die in the process but he showed skills beyond Big Boss' expectations and killed his phantom in the process. Big Boss used this opportunity to fake his death and once again make an army but Solid Snake destroyed that as well.
Arnav Nandedkar thank you but I don’t think that answered any of the questions I asked🤣
@@WYJAFAK2 bro this is Metal Gear Solid. Weird things happen here and that creates a lot of questions. Take mgs5 for that example, the twist at the end and truth tapes creates a lot of questions. Mgs5 was supposed to provide the missing link (according to trailers) but gave more questions to us.
@@WYJAFAK2 yeah we do get to know why Miller hated Big Boss but other than that everything else was crap.
@@WYJAFAK2 in mgs4 Big Boss said that Zero hated/feared him but in the truth tapes of mgs5 we are hearing that Zero saved Big Boss during Ground Zeroes and it was Zero's idea to create the phantom Big boss. I mean WTH is that.
But now I want to keep Solid Snake’s legacy to continue for The Boss’ Will. I’ll start “Les Enfant Terrible” again to make clones of Solid that are stabilized to prevent accelerated. I would have transferred his Memories to his Clone so he won’t die. I would also create Clones of who supported Big Boss, Venom Snake, Solid & Raiden. As well as their Opponents they’ve defeated in battle. Each will have the same skills and abilities of the Originals. And Outer Heaven’s shall rise from every place where the threats of Metal Gear we’re defeated. So a New FOXHOUND will be Born. I’ll use the Mammal Pod A.I. to create a new Sons of the Patriots System to make the World the way The Boss wanted it as while being advised by Raiden’s LQ-84i Wolf UG. Each Metal Gear that was destroyed in the Past shall be full restored to fighting conditions and be improved like the Unmanned Metal Gear RAY that Desperado Enforcement LLC made but with human Pilots none shall be Nuclear Equipped but they’ll have Bio-Metric I.D. Locks. So they can be used against serious threats. Each one of the Clones will have replacements if they die. So this way I can make the MGS Series alive in an Infinite Loop forever. After Konami’s MG Survive disaster. I wanted to find a way to have Hideo Kojima’s Masterpiece of a Game Series to continue. I know Konami has its rights to the game but Kojima directed perfectly. It’s a fantasy of mine to make into a reality. Solid Snake is a Role Model of mine.
Hideo Kojima can go to hell. I'll make Nintendo and Microsoft stronger to send him there.
The fuck are you talking about?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH oml this guys
I get the reference but I better one would be "Konami can go to hell. I'll make Hideo Kojima and Sony stronger to send him there" because sony it sponsoring Kojima's next project
for that I will keep playing my role.
Lol no @ the previous replies. Hideo Kojima had all the creative direction in MGSV. MGSV is the fucking worst smirch on the face of the MG franchise. Fuck Kojima.
I want to know: is the conversation after the end of mission 51 or in the beginning. Because it's seems legit if it is in the beginning of the game, you can see how Kaz is angry...
when did the conversation between miller and ocelot take place? after the game,before it?
+TwilightDemon10889 of course, after the game.. hahaha
+TwilightDemon10889 After the game for sure. Before that you can see Miller really admires BB and praises him for everything.
W0LF10889 after you rescue him actually. during the rescue you see him as happy and excited, but afterwards he is grumpy and negative.
the praises are more of a game mechanic, a response to the player receiving s-ranks and such
@@hoffa9000 I need to analyze everything Miller says. Keep in mind he praises Venom after he kills the Skulls or wipes out Metal Gear and a bunch of other in-game moments, not merely during the scoring post mission.
He cannot possibly respect Venom as much as Naked Snake as much as he does during those moments unless he believed Venom was truly Big Boss.
Anyone know the timeline ost?
So... No Solid/old snake "die" in the time line.... Mmmmm 🤔
Wait. So the one in Zanzibar was actually THE big boss? Like, jack/John? Not venom?
yes
when does this conversation even take place? before or after ?
+andrew gonzales I want to say after, it would make more sense. Ocelot hypno-whatevers himself before the hospital scene and Kaz is in Afghan trapped.
After
Ground zeros after credit was before which has never happens till that game. V games after credits are before meaning kaz lied to u the whole game.
Kock Lover Could you elaborate, I don't understand
yeah I was was wondering if Kaz was in on it during the entire game.
how do you get to this ending
Play the game
As much as I loved this game and the story, the voice roles were totally off. This dialogue demonstrates that. Kaz sounds more like the raspy-voiced Ocelot we know from MGS1, 2 & 4. And Ocelot sounds like... I don't know... a normal dude.
Did they just play the metal gear series in like 2 minutes
Nah
what happened to venom snake after this
+Solid Snake You killed him...(Outer Heaven Uprising)...
+BlackBat Fox in METAL GEAR the first game from the 80's ^^.... see i helped
+Solid Snake He keeps going on until Solid Snake defeats and kills him in the first Metal Gear
@@2Good2BeTrue45 Yeah, Apparently the Real Big Boss sent Snake to kill the Phantom Big Boss.
He goes on to do many missions and spreads big boss's reputation and eventually him and the diamond dogs leave the Seychelles mother base and go to galzburg south Africa where they are absorbed into outer heaven. Venom snake in the 80's likely rescued Naomi and Gray Fox along with Sniper Wolf, assuming big boss wasnt active at this time as a soldier.
So why did Ocelot become evil in Mgs1 & 2?
And I never played MGS4 so please no spoilers for it.
Just google it lol. I don't have time to explain.
Good and evil are subjective. I wouldn't say he was "evil" but perhaps instead ruthless in ambition. Play MGS4. They address this.
+Big Boss I want to play it really badly, but I don't have a ps3 anymore :(
Triple-D26 :(
who says the real big boss is working sepreatly from us to create a new nation?
+Yazan Ocelot. He's working separately to create the Zanzibar Land of MG2. Meanwhile Venom Snake/Phantom Big Boss creates Outer Heaven of MG1.
Yeah and (spoilers) it wasn't until MGS4 that Big Boss's Outer Heaven is accomplished. As he said,
"DO YOU SEE THIS ZERO!!! WE ARE VICTORIOUS!!!! BEHOLD!!! GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS!!!" In his mind he's thinking, "So long, Zero, you lose."
@@NightWanderer31415 that's not what he was planning. The military fortress in South Africa was the nation that big boss had built in the shadows. Zanzibar land came later.
"Okay let's make a game presented as a prequel to the whole franchise and no one will be lost because they don't need to play mgs 1 to 4. "
Ending credits spoiling the whole franchise.
Ye this ticked me off. I'm playing MGS4 after 5, so I had to cover my eyes for the last part of the timeline lol.