Galadrial jumping off the boat and then planning on swimming 3000 miles in a dress with no food,water or sleep then accidentally bumping into sauron half way across is so absolutely ridiculous that i can't believe someone actually signed off on it and was like yeah that will work
Let's think about it logically. Galadriel is a witch. 🧙♀️-->🔥. 🪵-->🔥. Thus, 🧙♀️ is made of🪵. 🧙♀️~⛵️. Thus, Galadriel traversing vast stretches of ocean is logical.
So you have an issue with this, but not with magical rings, elves, I big eye in the sky and the fact that Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli ran for three days without stopping when chasing after Merry and Pippin? Wtf? Gives a new meaning to selective rage... Also Galadriel had a much tougher time reaching middle earth in the first place crossing the Helcaraxe.
- Woah, it's gonna be hard to fail at one of the widest known, most universally loved franchises in history, when we also have the biggest budget ever. - Actually...
A bit like Aragorn just happening to stumble into an army of ghosts that answers only to him because he's wielding a blade that was reforged and given to him right before?
@@fredbyoutubing uhmmm no... The ghost army was known to exist for hundreds of years and only the king to be could summon them. It wasn't accidental or just happened... It was a well known story for the elves, dwarves and Rohirim ... So I don't understand your point
"Young and immature" Galadriel is actually the oldest elf in the show, which the writers conveniently seemed to have forgotten in their desires to portray her as an arrogant youth
I mean she is only about 5000 years old, saw the birth of the Sun and Moon and spent centuries being mentored by a Mair. An angelic being similar in power and knowledge to Sauron or Gandalf.
@@maxpower3990 That's still a young teen girl in ROP .... Or an old looking dude... I just don't even know .... In order to enjoy the show ... The only recourse was to ignore sense .. and just say ok at everything even when practically everyone survived pyroclastic ash to the face & body ... It is but a scratch... After all
Isn't she like, literally, one of the first elves ever created? I seem to recall she was one of the Eldar, the first generation of elves created in Vallinor
So let me get this straight: Guy slams sword into wall which activates a machine to flood an area with water. The machine ends up flooding the tunnels the orks dug. But that also causes a volcano to explode which is the birth of Mordor. Are you sure this chain of events wasn't caused by a prehistoric squirrel trying to hide an acorn?
@@lancecarlisle1749 **swats you firmly on the nose** NO. This is NOT LOTR. LOTR is the Peter jackson masterpiece. This pile of absolute dribble is Rings of Poop I mean Power, an abomination of Amazons making.
The tunnels and trenches dug channeled the water into the molten core (not THE Molten Core, and the fiery Balrog actually lives in a deep crevice among the roots of the Elven power tree), so the explosive evaporation of all that water somehow didn't cool the mountain or made it exhaust steam but made it shoot lava cannon balls and cover the land in an avalanche of fiery dust that Galadriel saw no reason to hide from, and I assumed because of her guilt and wanting to die, but the other villagers didn't matter to her; nothing new there. She even had the same overconfident, self-absorbed copypaste hero face when it happened. Oh and air filled with smoke makes one or two people cought once, but most of them are heavy smokers, especially the people with plot armor. And the queen was surprise-to-everyone (mostly, later completely) blinded and had to ask when the smoke will pass to shoehorn a lame surprise also pushed along by totally not using your common eye VFX to indicate it but her eyes were clear and crisp all the time and yet for some reason she had cataract symptoms. Because applying eye VFX was either too expensive (ha-ha) or would have ruined that genius surprise scene of her blindness being revealed.
Actually super nice from Amazon to put 1 billion into the show, so that Ryan can put this entertaining 7 minute video together, which is clearly the only and intended purpose of the whole project.
@@jonathannieves1000 lol. IKR? This is one of the most spot on and yet hilarious pitch meetings, and he really didn’t do anything. You don’t have to change or embellish a thing.
Not Hollywood writers. Amazon is in Seattle. The show was filmed in New Zealand. Heck, this is the show runners first thing they were ever credited with. It just seems Jeff Bezos was blowing a billion just for funsies.
@@kaltaron1284 Technically she sits up straight and looks forward while having one of her soldiers, a semi-important character, guide her so she can continue to pretend she can see... ...but like ten minutes and two scenes later she's not even pretending she isn't blind anymore and it doesn't seem to be making a lick of difference to anyone.
@@Lucifronz Great, so the show makes a point and immidiately forgets it. Like with the rock crushing contest. Or not being allowed to leave the palace. Or....
That sort of thing works with sunglasses, but not a huge red bandana wrapped around your eyes. But at least the showrunners knew that sunglasses didn't exist then.
Well same goes for a lot of things in Tolkien. Bilbo falling to the exact place in goblin town where gollum(who happened to be fishing in the exact place of the river where the one ring fell) lives, who happens to have the ring, which happens to have the exact power a burglar like Bilbo will need in the future. Tolkien is full of weird coincidences if you look closely. This is not exclusive to RoP.
Sauron randomly meeting Galadriel in the middle of the ocean and then eventually being led to the exact set of circumstances he needed to forge the rings is even tighter.
just throw a bunch of money at it, it'll work itself out. pretty crazy the budget for the whole thing is 1 billion buckaroos, I figured rich people would be so skittish about making their money back they'd move to another planet.
"The elves need this stuff or they're gonna die" "Why" "Because they'll die if they don't get it" "Oh, alright." I am 1000% sure this exchange actually happened in the real pitch meeting.
That episode was where I decided I just couldn't anymore. Elves, whose immortality and immunity to disease are an absolute pillar of Tolkien's worldbuilding, are dying because someone's Screenwriting 101 class told them they needed CONFLICT AND SUSPENSE, DAMMIT!!! And Mithril is some sort of magical love-child of a Balrog getting jiggy with a tree in a lightning storm--I didn't know metals needed origin stories. Can't wait for the ROP writers to give us the sordid tale of where tin comes from!
Technically Elves were dying. But it had nothing to do with mithril. It had to do with the defeat of evil lessening the magic in Middle Earth. The longer they live, the more their soul gets frayed and torn.
The casual "Hey shut up" when pointing out something is just too good! And I gotta say that surviving a pyroclastic flow is pretty impressive, especially if it burns your eyes but NOT your hair.
@@hungryhippo6259 "because the show, for all its rough spots, is pretty darn good" Ya serious? 🤣 "Miriel's eyes were not burned by the pyroclastic flow, that happened in the next episode." Okay, that's even more stupid though. Overall I think if you kind of enjoyed the show, that's fine, but if you actually think the show is 'pretty darn good' you need mental help.
@@hungryhippo6259 I'm on my phone right now, so I'm not gonna write an essay. I did not want this to become an argument, i was just stating the truth. When I have the time, i will explain in more detail why it sucks ass, objectively. No, me saying you are in a bad mental spot is not proving the show is good. It's just that you cannot like the show when you're in a good state of mind and not fucked in the head. More on that later.
" I mean, how does she know she's blind forever? A lot of things can make you blind temporarily, including staring into bright lights" "Nope, she's blind forever" "but why? Seems like a stretch " "Look, I'm going to need you to get the hell off my back she's blind forever and she knows it."
@@hungryhippo6259 Whoa. You claim people aren't paying attention and then say Sam and Frodo survived Mt. Doom exploding. Maybe you should rewatch, because SAM AND FRODO DIDN'T GET HIT IN THE FACE WITH 2,000 DEGREES OF HOT FIRE AND ASH MOVING AT 200 MPH. Jesus! You crazies and your strawmen. This video points out just a few dozen inconsistencies and ridiculous things that absolutely 100% happen in this show, and you brush off this as people not paying attention because it doesn't fit your false narrative. Miriel went blind directly after the blast, that's in the show, that's what they showed us, that's how it happened, it's linear, I've watched it. Your reasoning for calling Martin a liar is that the writers retconned their own show in the next episode, so the previous episode just...doesn't count anymore, or something. I don't know, you make about as much sense as the awful writers. Why are you making excuses for them? The scene structure is garbage, the dialog is garbage, the characters are garbage, the writing is garbage, the editing is garbage. This is one of several scenes where the writers either forgot what just happened or didn't care and there's no cohesivity to the barebones idea that this trash claims is a plot.
As a Tolkien fan, I loved this so much. Galadriel just bumping into Sauron in the middle of the ocean, "obviously being Gandalf is TIGHT." That last one sent me.
@@GravyMate the original trilogy was a good adaptation that had the utmost respect for the source material. The changes made were mostly necessary for a cinematic adaptation. Tolkien's work is so insanely detailed and encyclopedic in nature that no film should ever try to 100% follow it as a a script. Books and TV are far from being similar story telling devices. You can't just do a 1:1 mirroring of the two. It doesn't work like that. That being said, the show does not respect the source material at all. It seems to utterly despise it. Changing everything on a whim because it suits their modern sensibilities. They don't want to depict Tolkien's world. They want to create their own while taking advantage of Tolkien's good name. They want to easily ride on the coattails of a long gone literary legend.
How many spots in this video he basically could insert 'barely a inconvenience'... yet has to constantly stop himself is mind blowing. Literally right out of the gates with the ice troll.
@@fumomofumosarum5893 as someone who loves badass female characters its irritating how often they drop the ball on making them badass but not basically invincible/flawless (INB4 "what do yo mean? Her flaw is that she's hot headed!").
The plot of galadriels being mad about her brother being dead is so dumb, especially since elves don't actually die when they die in middle earth their spirit gets returned to valinor and is eventually given form again. So galadriels brother was probably just chilling in valinor waiting for his sister to come back and see him just to hear she jumped off the boat in the middle of the ocean for some reason
Not probably, he literally was fast-tracked to rebirth for his role in saving the man Beren, leading ultimately to Morgoth's downfall and is alive and reunited with his wife in Valinor during this period.
Tolkien drew from history because he's an historian,but people piss on him and fantasy as a legit genre because "fantasy should have no Basis in real world,it's for stupid kids."
Hey! Don't make fun of the showrunners. Their wikipedia page says they are super accomplished young directors in their mid 40s, known for writing a script for Star Trek: Beyond that was ultimately rejected and their work on a Flash remake that nobody plans to make... 😂😂😂😂 No, but seriously... One of them is probably Bezos's illegitimate son.
I was kinda hoping for a 45 minute deep dive into the comical and amateurish BS, but Ryan and his evil twin don’t deserve the brain damage that would have caused
I love the clever passive agressive ways he calls out how much shows/movies suck. He’s great at pointing out how little effort they put into it, and how little they care about the audience or source material.
@@its_dey_mate I think he means something like the she hulk pitch meating, producer guy said hulk has been through more bad stuff than she-hulk and writer guy said he's on a list now.
@@its_dey_mate that was what Amazon and the media were trying to spin: that literally ALL of the criticism of Rings of Power was just racists and misogynists who were upset about the representation in the show. Of course, it’s a bullsh*t claim.
“Is she planning to swim back to Middle Earth? Hah hah” “Ha. Yeah, that’s the plan.” “Oh my god you’re serious.” That was fairly close to my reaction when I first watched it.
It was written that swimming from Middle Earth to Valinor and vice versa is not possible. During the First and Second Age, no one was dumb enough to do that. The distance between the two continents is the same distance of traveling from Spain to New York. Not even the Elves themselves can survive for too long.
I only watched this show because I didn't believe they had a scene this stupid. I ended up watching the entire season just so I could get on TH-cam after and have context for the people criticizing it. It was like watching a train wreck live and then watching the news cover the wreck
Why not rewrite all of Tolkien's work in that style? ""We must face the long dark of Moria. Be on your guard. There are older and fouler things than Orcs, in the deep places of the world."" = "Hole bad, bad hole. Orcs bad too, but bad hole things more bad than bad orcs. Bad."
@@momon969 Nah, they should rewrite it as something that sounds wise, but is complete garbage if pondered for more than a few seconds. Something like "rocks sink because they look down, and ships float because they look up." Imagine if they actually put something like that in the series. Imagine an actual legal adult writing that in a script.
My new hobby is not watching shows that come out and just waiting for them to be done and then watching the pitch meeting to see exactly what I didn't miss
It’s shocking that in the real world, there are dozens of writers working together for thousands of hours, and not one said “hey maybe this plot line sucks?”
there was in fact a lore guy assisting the writers at the start of the process, but he left the team for "unknown reasons", so either they fired him for constantly telling them their shit can't fly according to the lore or he left the team himself in utter frustration
The two showrunners have never even ran a show before and they got handed the most expensive one ever made. Whoever thought that was a good idea should be fired.
Usually, it takes Ryan to point out all the oddities, improbabilities, unscientific happenings, and illogical behavior of characters in the movies/TV shows. But with The Rings of Power... I kinda had most of the points covered during and after watching the series. In fact, identifying flaws was super easy... barely an inconvenience.
I watched each and every episode in pure blissful awe at hoe royally awfully someone can screw up a legendary property while having access to the biggest budget ever lol.
@@airixxxx Yeah, I had to watch the first episode in two stints. Went back to the second part half convincing myself I was being too harsh. Didn't bother with the rest.
One does not simply walk into a Pitch Meeting. Its glass gates are guarded by more than just logos. There is wry humor there that does not sleep. And the great Ryan is ever watchful.
"I wish there were more Pitch Meetings. I wish Ryan could cover every movie and show I love and hate" "So do all that live to see such times but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the Pitch Meetings that are given to us"
TBF some of the things he metaphorically shrugged off were actually explained in the series, and the fact he unironically mispronounced Celebrimbor leads me to assume he didn't actually watch the series but rather read reviews and plot synopses. The show isn't as bad as people are trying to make it out to be.
@@davich_ no they weren’t. Not really. And you can’t take a joke can you? The point is that the writers could easily have made that pronunciation mistake in their pitch. It’s actually a very subtle burn on their level of lore knowledge and care about the lore (almost zero)
The show was terrible ..... The dialogue was all rubbish it was so cringe 80% of it was them trying to sound soo deep..... A few major problems with the show Galdrial jumping into the ocean.... the distance she would need to swim is tremendous and she even says in the show when there saved and shes talking to queen regent "saved us from CERTAIN death" She took a volcanic eruption from MOUNT DOOM to the face and remember it forged the 1 ring ..... id like to point out why its ridiculous .... all i need say is ... Pompeii She spent so long hunting sauron searching for a symbol and what it meant....then she somehow realized that its literally a map location.... Also to add to this why the hell does her brother have it stamped all over him?????? If i murdered someone im not gonna draw my place of origin in the flesh... Theres so very much more to say but i cant give enough of a crap to even type it as this show is a massive train reck
I just wish he talked about the pointless architect sister or the herbalist lady being an orc slayer for no reason. Both characters that were pointless and would’ve loved mocked. Oh well, perfect summary either way.
i loved the show, and i loved the pitch meeting... however, the "hey shut up" was misplaced, because there is a good reason why they know exactly where to go... Sauron/Halbrand is with them and he knows Adar's plan.
Loosely based on the SIMILLARIAN and UNFINISHED TALES[which are 30 older than LOTR] after reading the cliffsnotes several months ago..I seriously doubt IT'S CANON
To be fair, Sauron basically does propose that to her and her response is basically "you're evil and you killed my brother" and he's confused and like "That's a problem? Oh well" then drowns her in a river and leaves.
The most intriguing mystery of Rings of Power was which bit would be tight, what would be super easy, barely an inconvenience and what would prompt the wowowow response. I just couldn't choose, there were so many possibilities in each episode.
Watching Pitch Meetings for shows I'll never even care enough to even consider bothering watching, to the point these videos are actually the very first time in my life I've ever even seen their titles, is TIGHT!
In RoP, Galadriel found out about Sauron and THEN she had Celebrimbor and Elrond finish the rings, knowing completely that it was Sauron's idea to make them into rings the whole time. Like... why wouldn't she just say "hey, the guy I've been chasing thousands of years is the same guy who helped make these rings and is totally up to something" or just give them a heads-up...
The shows excuse is that this would somehow mean Galadriel conspired with Sauron and thus she can't tell the other for fear of the consequences. That makes no sense though, because they didn't see through his disguise either.
"Like... why wouldn't she just say "hey, the guy I've been chasing thousands of years is the same guy who helped make these rings and is totally up to something" or just give them a heads-up..." "So that the show can happen!" "Works for me!"
This is not that bad - three elven rings are not corrupted by Sauron, I mean in the books, and they are pretty powerful an important for them. Other rings Sauron made later were the problem.
@@GarageQueen Lol, even from that standpoint of "well obviously characters have to make stupid decisions so the show can happen", you can still tell a good story and not have every character act like a moron. The Galadriel of RoP hates Sauron SO much that there is absolutely no way she wouldn't tell the others about his involvement with the rings. I mean, she refused Sauron's offer but still let his plan come to fruition. It basically makes Galadriel out to be massively hypocritical and trying to grab power for herself, which would actually be an interesting plot point of season 2 IF they went that way, but the showrunners seem completely invested in excusing everything Galadriel does/says in season 1. I mean, she literally threatens to torture prisoners of war, kill and depose rulers, threatens to shank officials in back alleys, threatens her own soldiers, etc etc. The only way the show can redeem her is if she actually stops her genocidal quest of killing every single Orc/Uruk and admitting she was wrong, but that would include putting up her sword and actually becoming like, well, Galadriel from LotR (we still haven'tseen a single use of magic from RoP Galadriel), who is more of a pacifist, and I highly doubt the showrumners would *ever* do that.
@@Darhhaall The issue is, the other rings, rings for the Dwarves and Men, were made FIRST (with some assistance from Sauron) and afterwards, the rings for the Elves were made. In the original lore *and* movies, the Elves made their rings without Sauron, but used his techniques, so the rings still had the secret backdoor Sauron had in them so the One Ring could influence them. It's like the showrumners just watched the opening of Fellowship and thought "oh, the rings for the elves were made first, then dwarves, then men, and Sauron personally helped make all of them!", and went from there.
I consider myself a decent writer and I cannot begin to express how frustrating it is to exist in this time of terrible writers being given amazing opportunities that they didn't earn.
Amazon had 1 billion dollars, and it feels like they spent like 1 dollar 50 cents on the script. And gave it to a drunk homeless guy, who can't read nor write. But hey, we get another season though, maybe they fix some of the problems
@@Mrlonefighter The vast majority of the money for the show went to buying positive press and positive reviews. The script feels like something written by an AI, the costumes were terrible (3d-printed armor, cloth with armor patterns just printed on them -- and in some cases NOT printed on them in parts, looking even sloppier), terrible acting, almost no extras... It was a godawful mess.
@@samblack5313 What would I need to do to impress you then? Buy 3 guns, burn accurate history books, vote for a corrupt businessman, shrug about school shootings, vote yes for genital inspection of kids in high school sports? See? Stereotypes and binary politics are bullshit.
"Anyway, the elves need this stuff, or they are going to die" "Why" "Cause they'll die if they don't get it" That basically summarises it perfectly. The entire plot point is based on the elves being about to die. Why? Because they are, there is no reason for it, don't think about it too much. It is necessary for the plot.
@@timsaylor4390 Absolutely granted, they're off by the long shot, I don't disregard however the potential entirely. The plot has some major holes, and the dialogue is off in multiple areas, however there was some good in it and it was by far the most aesthetically stunning shows this past year. It certainly derives from many Tolkien points and scenes, but need we forget that Jackson did too, and that the Lord of the Rings was a lot better laid out than Silmarillion? Not saying it wasn't bad in a lot of areas, but to hate it I'd say is overkill.
Was half expecting the pitch dude to make a response about the writing along the lines of "It's being produced by Amazon so it has to be bad enough to make Wheel of Time look good.
@@anthonykaitis I do hate random token characters thrown into the trailer for marketing purposes, while having no actual impact on the story itself. Also helps when they're ugly and unlikable, such as the dwarf queen who . . . doesnt have a beard for some reason.
And that was even without mentioning the cringiest moments of “ship floats, stone sinks”, “you’ve not seen what I have seen”, “give me the meat and give it to me raw”, and more
"So this Sauron dude, why is he famous? why is he recognizable?" "Well sir, he's the lord of the rings because he spent 300 years undercover as the maiar Annatar teaching elves dark arts on how to make powerful magical artifacts and tricking them into making the rings of power" "Oh and how are we going to fit that in the show?" "Well he spends a single evening with one of the elves and tells him 'dude you should totally heat metal that makes it maleable and stuff' and then says bye"
Wealthy narcissists NEVER listen to "the peasants". That's why we even have legends like Eyegurr, KK, Bezoz, and that wacky fool who wrote "Robbynnn in Da Hoõd" or whatever it was. I think he called himself "The Director", and that tells ya everything you need to know. 🙄
@@college54114 yeah he had to take time out of his regular day job to make this video for 2 hours, and he makes $17.50 an hour as a shift manager at Cinnabon.
That Mordor origin story is so heavy-handed. They couldn't even work in the reveal organically through dialogue. They literally -- _literally_ -- spelled it out for the audience because apparently someone using the elven word "mor-dor" in a scene describing the aftermath of the eruption would be too difficult.
03:56 cheap porn. "and then this bad villager dude is going to shove his magical sword into this ruth ginsburg thing which makes a damn volcano go off !"
Not to mention that it kind of kills the whole point with Mordor showing an _industrial_ wasteland. And Isengard (much later) becoming the same thing due to the actions of Saruman, of course. It wasn't created in a single massive disaster, it was decades and centuries of disregard for the environment. But I guess Amazon would hardly push an origin story that says "unrestricted environmental and labour exploitation is bad", would they? :P
@@jonnnnniej Wasn't that before Tolkien died? Or perhaps it was afterwards and they were bargaining for more $$$. It certainly wasn't a quality issue, given what was made.
RIP Christopher Tolkien, you did an amazing job taking care of your father's legacy. Let's hope his family reconsiders the way they are managing it now.
Are you f*cking kidding me? Those idiots are to blame for what these charlatans did to Tolkien's work. They took Bezos' money and this was the result, so f*ck them. What I laugh at is that they were displeased with Peter Jackson's work. I reckon they're regretting that now. Or maybe not. Nothing a few billion can't mend.
@@temite80 I don't know. He didn't let them have the Silmarillion and I'd guess they failed the test and will never get it now. No one forced Amazon to make such a pile of shite, did they?
Boy, the thing that bugs me the most about the script was the “Sauron lives because of you” Line, like were they implying that Sauron could have just died in a shipwreck??
It seems so. An immortal Maiar spirit that was part of the creation of the entire universe, with all its stars, galaxies and planets, was gonna drown at sea, despite having the power to take physical shape again whenever the previous vessel was destroyed. But hey, that is just some junk some old guy named Tolkien wrote. Who cares about that old old coot?
The only reason that the Gandalf reveal was a major twist was because there were a thousand reasons it absolutely should not have been Gandalf, not the least of which being that he cannonocally doesn't show up until about a thousand years after the last allience of elves and men when Sauron gets his finger cut off.
This deserves a thousand votes. Honestly, what the hell. Gandalf showing up before the actual corruption of Men and Dwarves is like the police showing up at your door the day you move into a neighborhood because you look like you might cause a noise complaint. I hate writers who are allergic to cause and effect. They literally are proud of themselves for shoehorning in "because destiny said so!" Same thing with Mordor. How was Mordor created? From centuries of industrial misuse of the land? Or one volcanic boi? Why show the land decaying for a reason when you can just make it Mordor instantly because it will become Mordor, therefore it is Mordor.
Yes, the finest craftsman in the world had never before heard of the concept of ALLOYS. Remember, no character can ever be smarter than the person writing them.
You can tell Ryan's a Tolkien fan. He perfectly delineated ROP's many writing problens with humor that made them at least somewhat worthwhile! Nice job dude. :)
You can tell he's not because he said Sell-ibrimbor. Tolkein fans know that the letter C at the beginning of the word is pronounced as K...as in Kelibrimbor. But go off fam
It's hilarious that their blacksmiths didn't know how to make alloys. This is a universe where bronze and steel weapons exist and they are both alloys (copper and tin, iron and carbon).
Isn’t that basically the formula for all movie and tv shows now? Take franchise insert politically correct dialogue at the expensive of quality ruin franchise alienate fan base then blame said fan base.
@@boredflower yep, as critical drinker would say, it's been updated for "modern audiences" and now its just spouts things that are all about "THE MESSAGE"
@@zogwort1522 I've tried to understand how your comment relates to mine, I really tried, but what on earth does that have to do with my comment? Why would my comment insinuate that the south shouldn't be a bunch of prejudiced guys in white hoofs, and instead be like north Africa? How did you even arrive at that?
@@zogwort1522 no, I was asking if my comment was insinuating anything I never said orcs need to be black, that's an insult only someone of your caliber would think to say The shit I'm talking about, in particular, the men of Middle earth, supposed to be Nordic or Slavic or Scandinavian or northern european based men who skin tone reflects it, and whos time reflects it as its before any sort of time where equatorally inclined skin types travel to all corners of the earth, and a time where your skin type generally indicates that your people have been here for thousands of years not moving around, and where everyone have a specific skin type for a certain latitude of the globe, basically what I'm saying here, the men of middle earth are pale skinned, and the men of harard, far harard, the Easterlings, the corsair men of umbar, they are not from middle earth, therefore they have an excuse as to why they dont have pale skin. Then you have the men of numenor, practically the palest men in the history of Middle earth, and the queen of the royal family, who's line decends from the palest of pale skins, the elves themselves, and the queen who was canonically described in the books with a fair, white, pale skin, in the show, is black. Speaking of elves, the dwarves and elves in the show, who in the books as Tolkien wrote in their origin stories being as immune to change and the elements, and to all illnesses as well, (remember, the reason why the elves were fading in middle earth as the world changed around them, and why the dwarves were isolating themselves and being forgotten as they return to the rocks they were molded from) ergo they're immune to things like uv rays and sunlight, ergo no need to ever naturally develop things like adaptations or evolutionary changes to counteract the excess rays and overabundance of vitamin D, ergo, NO BLACK ELVES OR DWARVES, especially when dwarves live, underground! That's just a taste of the cardinal sins this show undertook, both in regards to the lore, logic, common sense, and the writing, ugh, don't get ne started on the fucking writing. Meteor man: "I am good", top tier writing there folks (like hell it is). Or wait wait wait, how about galadriel finding out sauron is halbrand, knowing celebrimbor made the rings with his guidance, knowing the evil and power sauron is capable of, yet not saying a damn thing to the other elves about how they probably shouldn't be using the rings after she finds out. I rest my fucking case
@@zogwort1522 nah, I hadn't, sorry, no sleep tends to get me not getting things sometimes, also this is like the third time this week but over a period of a few days where someone's tried telling me how rings of power wasn't woke
this was a $$$$ grab by both Amazon & the current runners of Tolkien Estate pure and simple... with no rights to The Unfinished Tales & The Silmarillion,this is basically VERY EXPENSIVE fan fiction!!! many thanks Ryan,you have provided a great service to all LOTR fans...
I wish more people realized this. The show was 100% a billion dollar money laundering run for almost everyone involved. Bezos probably signed off on it without reading a single script or talking to a single person actually involved in making it, so any real success would have been just a nice side effect that made their use of future seasons for more of the same a lot easier, but either way, plenty of people in the right places got their cut of that billion plus bezosbucks dumped into this mess. The fact that despite its abysmal numbers (after the first episode, when people realized what they were in for and abandoned ship) they greenlit additional seasons is all but proof of this. They'll keep churning this along despite nobody watching and letting Amazon get those great hollywood/twitter brownie points for being so diverse and inclusive, and just enough morons will cheer and clap (but then not actually watch the show because, oh right, it's BAAAD) that it's the perfect shield against scrutiny. After all you would have to be racist/sexist/ableist/fatphobic/(other ist and phobe) incels to attack a show with obese black woman as part of the cast!
I actually had to pause the video to laugh at the "Elrond. . ." "He's from the Matrix movies!" "That's kind of correct, sir" exchange. Everything else was making me chuckle in a "This is so true; I can't believe how bad the show was" kind of way, but that exchange was the gut-buster for me.
I watched the whole thing, and it was like watching a relative slowly being eaten by cancer. The time wasted can never be given back, and I eagerly waited for this pitch meeting to arrive. So thanks for giving somthing back that I lost.
This series got me to do the unthinkable and decide to willingly read over watching TV. I started reading the LotR books (starting with the Hobbit) instead of watching this
Me at the start of the season: That's not Gandalf that would be too stupid. Me in the middle of the season: Yup this show is dumb enough, that's Gandalf.
Yep, I realized very quickly the writers never even read the silmarillion... In the books, Gandalf comes in on a boat and basically starts off his journey where it ends at the end of lord of the rings, also gets given one of the rings of power over Saruman (a small slight which builds over the centuries and is a slight foreshadowing of their eventual clash in LotR's), both of these things were well written and serves not only as a fair starting point for an important character but works to set the stage for the rest of the story. But yeah RoP is dumb enough to ignore all that and go... you know I really liked playing Diablo 3, like REALLY liked it... so anyway I just learned Gandalf was essentially an Angel in Tolkien's lore... wouldn't it be cool if we had him fall from a meteor just like Tyrael in Diablo 3... OMG no one would see that coming! That would be so cool bro... it like subverts expectations and stuff... who doesn't like big explosions! I clapped just thinking about it.
I think it’s the one pitch meeting I wish had more, simply because the show gave us so much entertainment to rant about like the villagers going into a fortified keep with no food, or leaving said keep for the defenceless village.
@@Doug_Hannon Well it wasn't so much a flee, as a more scuttle out of town with bags filled with god knows what, all except food into a solidified keep where they planned "after discussion" (within a tavern) to stay locked in. Mind you they were also eating in said tavern and food was visibly present, yet none had the foresight to take some. P.s. They also had time to extinguish candles if it adds anything to the irony. So please do take things out of context considering we were discussing what happened in a work of fiction. I would and i'm sure the ones above who replied to my comments, never make jokes of real life situations whereby there would be potential harm to human lives. It is simply that the show was incompetent to such a level, its beyond a joke. Particularly if you consider how many people approved of these scripts before they were turned into production.
I don’t think you were going to sit through this series but I’m so glad you did! This was awesome Ryan! I don’t laugh out loud often but this one did it. Thank you. Made my day.
Amazon exec: So your telling me the protagonist who just jumped off a ship on a whim while in the middle of the ocean, just so happens to bump into the one guy she’s looking to kill? Writer: Yep!! Amazon exec:…. Brilliant! Six seasons and movie!
1:44 I love how there's the moment where the guy giving the pitch is just like "Wow...I mean, this producer has never told me no before, but this one really is the dumbest, most impossible random chance that I've ever written. Like, finding someone on a raft in the ocean with a satellite with general coordinates takes a lot of work. This is actually impossible. There's no way he'll" "Well alright then." "oh thank god."
I mean there are plenty of things wrong with the show, but I got the strong impression Sauron was looking for her on the ocean and that it wasn't an accident. Remember Sauron's whole plan is to trick everyone into making the rings so he can control them all with The One Ring. And Sauron is basically a god at this point before he is killed by actual God flooding Numenor and remaking the world from flat to round.
@@patrickshaw411 Sauron from LoTR is LITERALLY a shadow of his former self compared to this Sauron. I mean don't get me wrong the show has serious problems but this wasn't it.
@@hoilst265 pretty sure OP is making a dig on the show, not Ryan, saying that the show has so many things odd and wrong that Ryan wouldn't be able to fit it in one Pitch Meeting vid.
I was so excited for this show I bought all of the books from the Silmarillion to the Unfinished Tales, and the Histories of Middle Earth. I marathoned them all in the year leading up to the first trailer. Only to realize they had thrown out like literally everything from the books. 😂 I don't regret it though, the books are incredible and epic enough to stand on their own without a live action adaptation.
@@DaDaDo661 It can be tough, but well worth it if you make your way through. Especially after you get through the literal world-building part at the beginning. It's got some pretty metal stories. The kin-slayings, the downfall of Numenor, like EVERYTHING Turin Turambar goes through. But it just depends on the sorts of stories a person likes to read.
Think I’ve managed to binge watch everyone of these now. They are amazing, comedic timing is a hard thing to master so being able to cut and paste it in during editing like this is truly exceptional.
"I was thinking we'd make a Lord of the Rings show--" "That's a recognizable name!!" 😂 This video was spot on. Thank you as always for your service Ryan. 👏👏👏
And it goes full circle when he asks him at the end what he thought, and the only response is "Well it's a very.... recognizable name". Because that is seriously all the show has going for itself. The title.
I was nodding off at some point during episode 1 and paused it. I rewatched the whole episode and can't tell you much about it. I figured cuz I had gotten off work, I was tired, but nope. This show is boring AF. Less than halfway into ep 2, I was looking at my phone a lot and just turned it off. The dialog is horrible, the fight was cringe, there's no sense of time or distance and there's barely a plot from what I saw. Sauron bad, Galadriel good. She argues with everyone, everyone is stupid. She always gets what she wants. That's it. That's the show.
So much yes here. I love how the boss man is very put off more so than in other episodes, because there are just so many obvious problems with the plot, the characters, the world building, the twists, the lore destruction, etc. that not even he can really just let it slide.
The thing about pyroclastic flow is not just that it's commonly over a thousand degrees hot. It's also that it has an average flow speed of around 100kmh. That's the equivalent of a category 10 storm. A category 10 storm is enough to uproot trees, and cause significant damage to buildings. But 100kmh is just the average flow speed of pyroclastic flow. The speed can go up to 700kmh. Here's a little quote from the wikipedia entry on pyroclastic flows: "The kinetic energy of the moving cloud will flatten trees and buildings in its path. The hot gases and high speed make them particularly lethal, as they will incinerate living organisms instantaneously or turn them into carbonized fossils."
I thought Galadriel was going to turn out to be Sauron. She had all the character traits.
That would've been a better twist.
wait for season 2
Sauron being a shapeshifter in the lore, it is definitely possible as an actual twist.
@@rubensoeteman Yes, perhaps the real Galadriel will be released from some sort of prison somewhere and turn out not to be a b*****h at all?
That's actually an insult to Annatar / Artano / Aulendil.
I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired this Pitch Meeting.
Hmmm why shouldn't I watch it again?
It is a gift!
There was definitely a tempest in me.
@@makani9004 THERE IS A HURRICANE IN ME THAT WILL STRIP AMAZON BARE
In the place of a great movie you will have a horrible tv series, as lame as milk, and you will need to get aaaall the way off my back about its cost
I've been waiting for this to drop longer than it took for Galadriel to figure out who Halbrand was
Same
Lmao 😂To be fair, I didn’t realize either…
It was obvious from the first episode!
@@illumi9044 same
Awwww snap!!!
Galadrial jumping off the boat and then planning on swimming 3000 miles in a dress with no food,water or sleep then accidentally bumping into sauron half way across is so absolutely ridiculous that i can't believe someone actually signed off on it and was like yeah that will work
This was where I knew I was watching something special... specially bad, that is.
Galadriel in Quenya literally means Great Blonde Shark Lady 😊
Let's think about it logically.
Galadriel is a witch.
🧙♀️-->🔥. 🪵-->🔥. Thus, 🧙♀️ is made of🪵. 🧙♀️~⛵️.
Thus, Galadriel traversing vast stretches of ocean is logical.
It’s so anti-Tolkien
So you have an issue with this, but not with magical rings, elves, I big eye in the sky and the fact that Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli ran for three days without stopping when chasing after Merry and Pippin? Wtf?
Gives a new meaning to selective rage...
Also Galadriel had a much tougher time reaching middle earth in the first place crossing the Helcaraxe.
Watching the pitch meeting rather than the actual show is tight
So much faster too
It's super easy, barely an inconvenience :)
Hahhahahahahahhahaha!!!!!!!! This comment was great.
A lot of the time the pitch meeting even makes the source not sound as bad. But this time it couldn't help at all.
It sure is sir!
The amount of opportunities to say “super easy barely an inconvenience” this show offers is staggering
Probably at least one per episode.
- Woah, it's gonna be hard to fail at one of the widest known, most universally loved franchises in history, when we also have the biggest budget ever.
- Actually...
A bit like Aragorn just happening to stumble into an army of ghosts that answers only to him because he's wielding a blade that was reforged and given to him right before?
@@fredbyoutubing uhmmm no... The ghost army was known to exist for hundreds of years and only the king to be could summon them. It wasn't accidental or just happened... It was a well known story for the elves, dwarves and Rohirim ... So I don't understand your point
@@fredbyoutubing That only counts as one
"Young and immature" Galadriel is actually the oldest elf in the show, which the writers conveniently seemed to have forgotten in their desires to portray her as an arrogant youth
I mean she is only about 5000 years old, saw the birth of the Sun and Moon and spent centuries being mentored by a Mair. An angelic being similar in power and knowledge to Sauron or Gandalf.
@@maxpower3990 That's still a young teen girl in ROP .... Or an old looking dude... I just don't even know .... In order to enjoy the show ... The only recourse was to ignore sense .. and just say ok at everything even when practically everyone survived pyroclastic ash to the face & body ...
It is but a scratch... After all
@@maxpower3990 And many of the years she grew up in were Valian years, which were Much longer longer than Solar years.
Isn't she like, literally, one of the first elves ever created?
I seem to recall she was one of the Eldar, the first generation of elves created in Vallinor
Thousands of years old, and still a bratty arrogant teenager... I think the wokies are projecting a lot.
So let me get this straight: Guy slams sword into wall which activates a machine to flood an area with water. The machine ends up flooding the tunnels the orks dug. But that also causes a volcano to explode which is the birth of Mordor.
Are you sure this chain of events wasn't caused by a prehistoric squirrel trying to hide an acorn?
When you can compare LOTR to Scrat from Ice Age with any degree of seriousness, you know something's gone horribly wrong with your script.
@@lancecarlisle1749
**swats you firmly on the nose**
NO. This is NOT LOTR. LOTR is the Peter jackson masterpiece. This pile of absolute dribble is Rings of Poop I mean Power, an abomination of Amazons making.
garbage, isn’t it
The tunnels and trenches dug channeled the water into the molten core (not THE Molten Core, and the fiery Balrog actually lives in a deep crevice among the roots of the Elven power tree), so the explosive evaporation of all that water somehow didn't cool the mountain or made it exhaust steam but made it shoot lava cannon balls and cover the land in an avalanche of fiery dust that Galadriel saw no reason to hide from, and I assumed because of her guilt and wanting to die, but the other villagers didn't matter to her; nothing new there. She even had the same overconfident, self-absorbed copypaste hero face when it happened.
Oh and air filled with smoke makes one or two people cought once, but most of them are heavy smokers, especially the people with plot armor.
And the queen was surprise-to-everyone (mostly, later completely) blinded and had to ask when the smoke will pass to shoehorn a lame surprise also pushed along by totally not using your common eye VFX to indicate it but her eyes were clear and crisp all the time and yet for some reason she had cataract symptoms. Because applying eye VFX was either too expensive (ha-ha) or would have ruined that genius surprise scene of her blindness being revealed.
I heard most tree's on earth today we're planted from squirrels burying their nuts and forgetting where they buried them.
Actually super nice from Amazon to put 1 billion into the show, so that Ryan can put this entertaining 7 minute video together, which is clearly the only and intended purpose of the whole project.
Worth it.
lol
Purposefuly intending is tight!
@@targard.quantumfrack6854 ewww... that sounded very weird and somewhat illegal when you said it...
That whole part.
Making Middle Earth feel like a small town where you can just bump into key characters at any point is tight!
bumping randomly to what is obviously the main antagonist in the ocean is tight!
You'd have more trouble bumping into the right person you just need at that moment even in a small hamlet. But I guess oceans aren't that big.
Oh god they’re becoming Disney.
@@kaltaron1284 bro Oceans are Famously small
To be fair that's literally all of the books too, it's a bit of a fantasy trope
Ryan has an uncanny ability to both mock, while giving a completely accurate plot synopsis.
Hardly counts as mocking when he's just saying exactly what happened in the show 😂
@@jonathannieves1000 lol. IKR? This is one of the most spot on and yet hilarious pitch meetings, and he really didn’t do anything. You don’t have to change or embellish a thing.
That's kind of easy nowadays.
True, even when it feels like your comment is not well placed, since mocking this particular show is so easy.
Some plots mock themselves
The audacity of a bunch of nobody Hollywood writers literally saying, "Tolkien wasn't a very good writer, so we decided to do our own thing."
Not Hollywood writers. Amazon is in Seattle. The show was filmed in New Zealand. Heck, this is the show runners first thing they were ever credited with. It just seems Jeff Bezos was blowing a billion just for funsies.
They did the same with wheel of time. Its a difference story using the same title and character names.
The wheel of time dragged on at one point but the show oh man the show was so bland, and pacing was ridiculous.
I'll say what everyone is avoiding saying, they don't care about the source material, just wearing it as a skin suit for woke proselytization.
@@The_Reductionist They butchered Rand's character and gave away his accomplishments to everyone else. So frustrating to watch.
“People can’t know I can’t see… So I’m gonna cover up my eyes!!” Brilliant 😅
That was really her reasoning for that blindfold? Wow. Guess why it's called "blind"fold... This show...
@@kaltaron1284 Technically she sits up straight and looks forward while having one of her soldiers, a semi-important character, guide her so she can continue to pretend she can see...
...but like ten minutes and two scenes later she's not even pretending she isn't blind anymore and it doesn't seem to be making a lick of difference to anyone.
@@Lucifronz Great, so the show makes a point and immidiately forgets it. Like with the rock crushing contest. Or not being allowed to leave the palace. Or....
That sort of thing works with sunglasses, but not a huge red bandana wrapped around your eyes. But at least the showrunners knew that sunglasses didn't exist then.
I laughed so hard at that part 😎 😂
Randomly finding Sauron in the middle of a giant ocean is apparently super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Well same goes for a lot of things in Tolkien. Bilbo falling to the exact place in goblin town where gollum(who happened to be fishing in the exact place of the river where the one ring fell) lives, who happens to have the ring, which happens to have the exact power a burglar like Bilbo will need in the future. Tolkien is full of weird coincidences if you look closely. This is not exclusive to RoP.
Surviving pyroclastic flows is also super easy, barely an inconvenience. Someone should have told queeny to close her eyes though.
Sauron randomly meeting Galadriel in the middle of the ocean and then eventually being led to the exact set of circumstances he needed to forge the rings is even tighter.
@@noctuammagic1260 that's fine and all, but what the heck was Galadriel's plan?? Swim across the entire ocean??
@@kaltaron1284 too bad the Pompeians didn’t know about that 😢
i'm 99% sure that's exactly how that pitch meeting went
Ya but they were serious.
Nah, too much self-reflection and criticism.
i can bet that no bc i dont think they knew the ending
just throw a bunch of money at it, it'll work itself out. pretty crazy the budget for the whole thing is 1 billion buckaroos, I figured rich people would be so skittish about making their money back they'd move to another planet.
99.999%
"The elves need this stuff or they're gonna die"
"Why"
"Because they'll die if they don't get it"
"Oh, alright."
I am 1000% sure this exchange actually happened in the real pitch meeting.
I'm 1000% in agreement.
That episode was where I decided I just couldn't anymore. Elves, whose immortality and immunity to disease are an absolute pillar of Tolkien's worldbuilding, are dying because someone's Screenwriting 101 class told them they needed CONFLICT AND SUSPENSE, DAMMIT!!! And Mithril is some sort of magical love-child of a Balrog getting jiggy with a tree in a lightning storm--I didn't know metals needed origin stories. Can't wait for the ROP writers to give us the sordid tale of where tin comes from!
@@partyboi8773we could probably write a thesis about why the Mithril plot line Is basically blasphemous 😂
Are we sure Ryan didn't actually pitch this one himself?
Technically Elves were dying. But it had nothing to do with mithril. It had to do with the defeat of evil lessening the magic in Middle Earth.
The longer they live, the more their soul gets frayed and torn.
The casual "Hey shut up" when pointing out something is just too good! And I gotta say that surviving a pyroclastic flow is pretty impressive, especially if it burns your eyes but NOT your hair.
Her eyes not liquefying from the heat is even more impressive
@@hungryhippo6259 "because the show, for all its rough spots, is pretty darn good"
Ya serious? 🤣
"Miriel's eyes were not burned by the pyroclastic flow, that happened in the next episode." Okay, that's even more stupid though.
Overall I think if you kind of enjoyed the show, that's fine, but if you actually think the show is 'pretty darn good' you need mental help.
@@hungryhippo6259 I'm on my phone right now, so I'm not gonna write an essay. I did not want this to become an argument, i was just stating the truth. When I have the time, i will explain in more detail why it sucks ass, objectively. No, me saying you are in a bad mental spot is not proving the show is good. It's just that you cannot like the show when you're in a good state of mind and not fucked in the head. More on that later.
" I mean, how does she know she's blind forever? A lot of things can make you blind temporarily, including staring into bright lights" "Nope, she's blind forever" "but why? Seems like a stretch " "Look, I'm going to need you to get the hell off my back she's blind forever and she knows it."
@@hungryhippo6259 Whoa. You claim people aren't paying attention and then say Sam and Frodo survived Mt. Doom exploding. Maybe you should rewatch, because SAM AND FRODO DIDN'T GET HIT IN THE FACE WITH 2,000 DEGREES OF HOT FIRE AND ASH MOVING AT 200 MPH. Jesus! You crazies and your strawmen.
This video points out just a few dozen inconsistencies and ridiculous things that absolutely 100% happen in this show, and you brush off this as people not paying attention because it doesn't fit your false narrative. Miriel went blind directly after the blast, that's in the show, that's what they showed us, that's how it happened, it's linear, I've watched it. Your reasoning for calling Martin a liar is that the writers retconned their own show in the next episode, so the previous episode just...doesn't count anymore, or something. I don't know, you make about as much sense as the awful writers. Why are you making excuses for them?
The scene structure is garbage, the dialog is garbage, the characters are garbage, the writing is garbage, the editing is garbage. This is one of several scenes where the writers either forgot what just happened or didn't care and there's no cohesivity to the barebones idea that this trash claims is a plot.
As a Tolkien fan, I loved this so much. Galadriel just bumping into Sauron in the middle of the ocean, "obviously being Gandalf is TIGHT." That last one sent me.
Just being Gandalf is pretty tight, though. Being it obviously is tighty tight.
Big Tolkien fan are you? Did you also hate the original trilogy as much as Tolkien would’ve?
Pretty sure that Sauron getting in her way was not an accident.
@@GravyMate What’s your point?
@@GravyMate the original trilogy was a good adaptation that had the utmost respect for the source material. The changes made were mostly necessary for a cinematic adaptation. Tolkien's work is so insanely detailed and encyclopedic in nature that no film should ever try to 100% follow it as a a script. Books and TV are far from being similar story telling devices. You can't just do a 1:1 mirroring of the two. It doesn't work like that.
That being said, the show does not respect the source material at all. It seems to utterly despise it. Changing everything on a whim because it suits their modern sensibilities. They don't want to depict Tolkien's world. They want to create their own while taking advantage of Tolkien's good name. They want to easily ride on the coattails of a long gone literary legend.
How many spots in this video he basically could insert 'barely a inconvenience'... yet has to constantly stop himself is mind blowing. Literally right out of the gates with the ice troll.
For this show's Galadriel, everything is super easy and barely an inconvenience. Like leaving a prison cell. Because she's a woman.
@@fumomofumosarum5893 as someone who loves badass female characters its irritating how often they drop the ball on making them badass but not basically invincible/flawless (INB4 "what do yo mean? Her flaw is that she's hot headed!").
Discount Legolas killed an Orc with a stick and fought hand to hand with a tank like orc...
Haven't watched lord of the rings. Dint care to
@@EbonMaster Every one of those shitty writers should watch Better Call Saul and learn from Kim Wexler
The plot of galadriels being mad about her brother being dead is so dumb, especially since elves don't actually die when they die in middle earth their spirit gets returned to valinor and is eventually given form again. So galadriels brother was probably just chilling in valinor waiting for his sister to come back and see him just to hear she jumped off the boat in the middle of the ocean for some reason
Not probably, he literally was fast-tracked to rebirth for his role in saving the man Beren, leading ultimately to Morgoth's downfall and is alive and reunited with his wife in Valinor during this period.
"Hey, shut up!" is pretty much the only answer the showrunners have for the 8 billion plotholes in this series.
Tolkien drew from history because he's an historian,but people piss on him and fantasy as a legit genre because "fantasy should have no Basis in real world,it's for stupid kids."
And how many bee wholes?
Hey! Don't make fun of the showrunners. Their wikipedia page says they are super accomplished young directors in their mid 40s, known for writing a script for Star Trek: Beyond that was ultimately rejected and their work on a Flash remake that nobody plans to make... 😂😂😂😂
No, but seriously... One of them is probably Bezos's illegitimate son.
Oh, please, "Shut up" isn't their only answer. They also like to throw out the ol' "you're just an ultra right-wing racist scumbag" too.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 Wait what? I should probably factcheck this when I'm done laughing.
Another case where the Pitch Meeting is FAR better than the actual show
I was kinda hoping for a 45 minute deep dive into the comical and amateurish BS, but Ryan and his evil twin don’t deserve the brain damage that would have caused
Order of magnitude better: several million.
Going to be honest as good as this was it's not hard being better than The Rings of Power hell frankly that should be a minimum expectation
I mean, not that high a bar nowadays, mostly
Yeah. This is like 10 times better and more entertaining than the actual show. Also much better acting lmfao
I love the clever passive agressive ways he calls out how much shows/movies suck. He’s great at pointing out how little effort they put into it, and how little they care about the audience or source material.
It makes it even funnier in the videos when he blatantly calls out how terrible a movie is.
@No Body What?
@@its_dey_mate I think he means something like the she hulk pitch meating, producer guy said hulk has been through more bad stuff than she-hulk and writer guy said he's on a list now.
@@its_dey_mate that was what Amazon and the media were trying to spin: that literally ALL of the criticism of Rings of Power was just racists and misogynists who were upset about the representation in the show. Of course, it’s a bullsh*t claim.
❤️
“Is she planning to swim back to Middle Earth? Hah hah”
“Ha. Yeah, that’s the plan.”
“Oh my god you’re serious.”
That was fairly close to my reaction when I first watched it.
That’s Guyladriel for ya 😂😂😂😂
This is why Google had to remove the "swim across the Atlantic ocean" joke from Google Map, Amazon Galadriel was stupid enough to try it.
It was written that swimming from Middle Earth to Valinor and vice versa is not possible.
During the First and Second Age, no one was dumb enough to do that.
The distance between the two continents is the same distance of traveling from Spain to New York. Not even the Elves themselves can survive for too long.
Whoa whoa whoa!... You *watched* it?
I only watched this show because I didn't believe they had a scene this stupid. I ended up watching the entire season just so I could get on TH-cam after and have context for the people criticizing it. It was like watching a train wreck live and then watching the news cover the wreck
" *I AM GOOD* " A line so sweet, so divine, not even JRR Tolkien could dream of conjuring up on paper. 🤣😂
That’s what the writers have taped on their bathroom mirrors to bolster their sad little no-talent ego’s
Hahaahah
Why not rewrite all of Tolkien's work in that style?
""We must face the long dark of Moria. Be on your guard. There are older and fouler things than Orcs, in the deep places of the world.""
=
"Hole bad, bad hole. Orcs bad too, but bad hole things more bad than bad orcs. Bad."
Imagine if the only explanation ever given for Gandalf's coming back was, "Somehow, Gandalf returned!"
@@momon969 Nah, they should rewrite it as something that sounds wise, but is complete garbage if pondered for more than a few seconds. Something like "rocks sink because they look down, and ships float because they look up." Imagine if they actually put something like that in the series.
Imagine an actual legal adult writing that in a script.
My new hobby is not watching shows that come out and just waiting for them to be done and then watching the pitch meeting to see exactly what I didn't miss
You and me both man.
I'm sick of woke shows
Mostly the same. I can't be bothered with the grind.
Amen.
Sounds like that's super easy, barely an inconvenience.
It’s shocking that in the real world, there are dozens of writers working together for thousands of hours, and not one said “hey maybe this plot line sucks?”
I'm sure some did and were promptly fired and slapped with an NDA. The writing staff likely created their own echo chamber.
there was in fact a lore guy assisting the writers at the start of the process, but he left the team for "unknown reasons", so either they fired him for constantly telling them their shit can't fly according to the lore or he left the team himself in utter frustration
Nobody was like "I'm good is the best we can write, really?"
@@ZugzugZugzugson Tom Shippey was the gent in question. Renewed Tolkien scholar.
The two showrunners have never even ran a show before and they got handed the most expensive one ever made. Whoever thought that was a good idea should be fired.
Usually, it takes Ryan to point out all the oddities, improbabilities, unscientific happenings, and illogical behavior of characters in the movies/TV shows. But with The Rings of Power... I kinda had most of the points covered during and after watching the series. In fact, identifying flaws was super easy... barely an inconvenience.
Referencing catchphrases is TIGHT!
One of the few decisions I have made in this life that I do not regret was skipping the show and watching Ryan's Pitch Meeting instead.
Same. I did unfortunately watch the first episode, it was bad on levels I couldn't believe posible.
Same.
I watched each and every episode in pure blissful awe at hoe royally awfully someone can screw up a legendary property while having access to the biggest budget ever lol.
Same.
@@airixxxx Yeah, I had to watch the first episode in two stints. Went back to the second part half convincing myself I was being too harsh. Didn't bother with the rest.
One does not simply walk into a Pitch Meeting. Its glass gates are guarded by more than just logos. There is wry humor there that does not sleep. And the great Ryan is ever watchful.
🤣🤣Well done Boromir
LMFAO!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
"I wish there were more Pitch Meetings. I wish Ryan could cover every movie and show I love and hate"
"So do all that live to see such times but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the Pitch Meetings that are given to us"
Accurately described the plot of a whole season in 6mins and really didn't miss anything.
TBF some of the things he metaphorically shrugged off were actually explained in the series, and the fact he unironically mispronounced Celebrimbor leads me to assume he didn't actually watch the series but rather read reviews and plot synopses. The show isn't as bad as people are trying to make it out to be.
@@davich_ no they weren’t. Not really. And you can’t take a joke can you? The point is that the writers could easily have made that pronunciation mistake in their pitch. It’s actually a very subtle burn on their level of lore knowledge and care about the lore (almost zero)
The show was terrible .....
The dialogue was all rubbish it was so cringe 80% of it was them trying to sound soo deep.....
A few major problems with the show
Galdrial jumping into the ocean.... the distance she would need to swim is tremendous and she even says in the show when there saved and shes talking to queen regent "saved us from CERTAIN death"
She took a volcanic eruption from MOUNT DOOM to the face and remember it forged the 1 ring ..... id like to point out why its ridiculous .... all i need say is ... Pompeii
She spent so long hunting sauron searching for a symbol and what it meant....then she somehow realized that its literally a map location....
Also to add to this why the hell does her brother have it stamped all over him?????? If i murdered someone im not gonna draw my place of origin in the flesh...
Theres so very much more to say but i cant give enough of a crap to even type it as this show is a massive train reck
I just wish he talked about the pointless architect sister or the herbalist lady being an orc slayer for no reason. Both characters that were pointless and would’ve loved mocked. Oh well, perfect summary either way.
@@davich_ Jesus christ. Grow up.
Turning the over 6' tall and ethereally majestic Galadriel into a tiny angry lady is tight!
Super easy, barely an incompetence.
tiny angry ladies are tight!
I just kinda pretended that she was a different Galadriel the whole time, then it’s fine,
@@MrJimheeren not a different Galadriel. Simply Not-Galadriel.
She's 6'4
it never ceases to amaze me how Ryan is able to insert "hey shut up" and continue talking like nothing ever happened
I like the recently added, "Oh thank God."
That quick dismissive “ Hey shut up “ always gets me 😂 😂😂😂
i loved the show, and i loved the pitch meeting... however, the "hey shut up" was misplaced, because there is a good reason why they know exactly where to go... Sauron/Halbrand is with them and he knows Adar's plan.
-no it's not!-
I love the "Actually it's gonna by super easy, barely an inconvenience"😂
@@segments2156 hey shut up
@SEGMENTS how does it feel defending a piece of shit? Cause curious 🤨
-She is like " i dont wanna people to know that im blind."So she puts a big red cloth over her eyes
-Smooth move yeah, that will do it.
Best line ever
i know when i see someone with a blindfold on my first thought is "wow, that persons eyesight is so good they can see through it"🤣
This pitch meeting probably got better views than the actual show.
You can really feel the anger from Ryan in this one
This clown show besmirches an IP that spans generations and practically DEFINED the fantasy genre. So yeah, anger is warranted.
Sounds like you're just projecting
@@jimgray3346 shut up nerd
@@jimgray3346 sounds like you're just dense
Loosely based on the SIMILLARIAN and UNFINISHED TALES[which are 30 older than LOTR] after reading the cliffsnotes several months ago..I seriously doubt IT'S CANON
Seems like Sauron could have accrued more power by just hanging out with Galadriel and having her tell people that he's in charge now.
To be fair, Sauron basically does propose that to her and her response is basically "you're evil and you killed my brother" and he's confused and like "That's a problem? Oh well" then drowns her in a river and leaves.
@@xdevantx5870 Why didn't he finish the job?
@@wolfiewoo3371 Season 2 i guess
@@kyfetrombetta3691 That's not a good reason.
@@wolfiewoo3371 You misspelled season.
It pains me that Ryan had to watch the entire season in order to make this video. Such a champion!
Well I mean he got paid to do it. I watched it for free like an idiot. Now I feel ripped off.
Ugh i did! I just kept on watching hoping something cool would finally happen... And it it just never did.....
@@coreyw5981 It ended. Does that count?
I couldn't..
@@LucianDevine haha i guess you're right
It’s sad that the writers and producers didn’t realize they had a GOLDMINE. They treated LOTR like some soap opera.
Not true. Soap operas have at least one likable female and this had none. 😉
@@luthasunspell8365 ouch. But true
They thought it was Game of Thrones and not Lord of the Rings. I think they were making a pg13 GoT type show and forgot that's not LOTR at all.
You are mistaken. The writers and producers knew they had a goldmine.
This is their best.
Modern writers are exceedingly incompetent.
They paid a goldmine just to get the rights
The most intriguing mystery of Rings of Power was which bit would be tight, what would be super easy, barely an inconvenience and what would prompt the wowowow response.
I just couldn't choose, there were so many possibilities in each episode.
Watching Pitch Meetings for shows I'll never even care enough to even consider bothering watching, to the point these videos are actually the very first time in my life I've ever even seen their titles, is TIGHT!
Super Easy, hardly an inconvenience.
Fr
@@chasehedges6775 barely man, barely come onnn
@@EventualWarlord haha, I've not heard of this show, but let me say this: you were right...violence was right all along...
@@EventualWarlord Whoever said that to you is someone who's oppinion I wouldn't give anything about.
In RoP, Galadriel found out about Sauron and THEN she had Celebrimbor and Elrond finish the rings, knowing completely that it was Sauron's idea to make them into rings the whole time. Like... why wouldn't she just say "hey, the guy I've been chasing thousands of years is the same guy who helped make these rings and is totally up to something" or just give them a heads-up...
The shows excuse is that this would somehow mean Galadriel conspired with Sauron and thus she can't tell the other for fear of the consequences. That makes no sense though, because they didn't see through his disguise either.
"Like... why wouldn't she just say "hey, the guy I've been chasing thousands of years is the same guy who helped make these rings and is totally up to something" or just give them a heads-up..."
"So that the show can happen!"
"Works for me!"
This is not that bad - three elven rings are not corrupted by Sauron, I mean in the books, and they are pretty powerful an important for them. Other rings Sauron made later were the problem.
@@GarageQueen Lol, even from that standpoint of "well obviously characters have to make stupid decisions so the show can happen", you can still tell a good story and not have every character act like a moron. The Galadriel of RoP hates Sauron SO much that there is absolutely no way she wouldn't tell the others about his involvement with the rings.
I mean, she refused Sauron's offer but still let his plan come to fruition. It basically makes Galadriel out to be massively hypocritical and trying to grab power for herself, which would actually be an interesting plot point of season 2 IF they went that way, but the showrunners seem completely invested in excusing everything Galadriel does/says in season 1. I mean, she literally threatens to torture prisoners of war, kill and depose rulers, threatens to shank officials in back alleys, threatens her own soldiers, etc etc. The only way the show can redeem her is if she actually stops her genocidal quest of killing every single Orc/Uruk and admitting she was wrong, but that would include putting up her sword and actually becoming like, well, Galadriel from LotR (we still haven'tseen a single use of magic from RoP Galadriel), who is more of a pacifist, and I highly doubt the showrumners would *ever* do that.
@@Darhhaall The issue is, the other rings, rings for the Dwarves and Men, were made FIRST (with some assistance from Sauron) and afterwards, the rings for the Elves were made. In the original lore *and* movies, the Elves made their rings without Sauron, but used his techniques, so the rings still had the secret backdoor Sauron had in them so the One Ring could influence them. It's like the showrumners just watched the opening of Fellowship and thought "oh, the rings for the elves were made first, then dwarves, then men, and Sauron personally helped make all of them!", and went from there.
I consider myself a decent writer and I cannot begin to express how frustrating it is to exist in this time of terrible writers being given amazing opportunities that they didn't earn.
Amazon had 1 billion dollars, and it feels like they spent like 1 dollar 50 cents on the script. And gave it to a drunk homeless guy, who can't read nor write. But hey, we get another season though, maybe they fix some of the problems
@@Mrlonefighter
The vast majority of the money for the show went to buying positive press and positive reviews. The script feels like something written by an AI, the costumes were terrible (3d-printed armor, cloth with armor patterns just printed on them -- and in some cases NOT printed on them in parts, looking even sloppier), terrible acting, almost no extras...
It was a godawful mess.
And you can also call yourself naive for believing that the incompetence that dominates this planet is not by design.
You need to update your activist resume, go trans, and pledge your loyalty to critical race theory.
@@samblack5313 What would I need to do to impress you then? Buy 3 guns, burn accurate history books, vote for a corrupt businessman, shrug about school shootings, vote yes for genital inspection of kids in high school sports? See? Stereotypes and binary politics are bullshit.
"Anyway, the elves need this stuff, or they are going to die"
"Why"
"Cause they'll die if they don't get it"
That basically summarises it perfectly. The entire plot point is based on the elves being about to die. Why? Because they are, there is no reason for it, don't think about it too much. It is necessary for the plot.
It's the MacGuffin of the show.
@@mkvv5687 no, it's the JJ Abrams style "mystery box" that will quite literally never be solved.
To be fair that plot problem did not begin at Rings of Power, regardless it is a plot problem.
@@diegorodriguez2808 The worst part is that it is partially the canon reason the elves forged the rings but the writers are too stupid to explain it.
@@timsaylor4390 Absolutely granted, they're off by the long shot, I don't disregard however the potential entirely. The plot has some major holes, and the dialogue is off in multiple areas, however there was some good in it and it was by far the most aesthetically stunning shows this past year. It certainly derives from many Tolkien points and scenes, but need we forget that Jackson did too, and that the Lord of the Rings was a lot better laid out than Silmarillion? Not saying it wasn't bad in a lot of areas, but to hate it I'd say is overkill.
I love how even the producer was dumbfounded at how ridiculous some of the things in actual series were.
"lol, haha, no really, what happens? Oh my God, you're serious."
Pretty much every scene in the show.
Obviously being Gandalf is tight
This your first pitch meeting ?
One of the most ruthless Pitch Meetings, and deservedly so. Thanks, Ryan!
Was half expecting the pitch dude to make a response about the writing along the lines of "It's being produced by Amazon so it has to be bad enough to make Wheel of Time look good.
@@anthonykaitis 🤦♂️
@@anthonykaitis I do hate random token characters thrown into the trailer for marketing purposes, while having no actual impact on the story itself.
Also helps when they're ugly and unlikable, such as the dwarf queen who . . . doesnt have a beard for some reason.
@@NymbusCumulo928 yeah she would be great if THEY ACTUALLY LISTENED TO THE LORE
And that was even without mentioning the cringiest moments of “ship floats, stone sinks”, “you’ve not seen what I have seen”, “give me the meat and give it to me raw”, and more
It's been over a year since the series premiered, and it still feels like a fresh wound.
Maybe it's a wound that can only be healed with elvish medicine.
They should've titled it "Rings of Flour". Because the so-called writers on that delirious dumpster fire were as dense as day-old donuts.
"So this Sauron dude, why is he famous? why is he recognizable?"
"Well sir, he's the lord of the rings because he spent 300 years undercover as the maiar Annatar teaching elves dark arts on how to make powerful magical artifacts and tricking them into making the rings of power"
"Oh and how are we going to fit that in the show?"
"Well he spends a single evening with one of the elves and tells him 'dude you should totally heat metal that makes it maleable and stuff' and then says bye"
This comment makes me very sad… ik were having fun but having both starwars and now lord of the rings utterly butchered feels so bad.
@@floridaman6982 huh
The sad thing is that Amazon doesn't even have the rights to use the name Annatar.
@@TheRatsintheWalls they have the rights to the appendices only, so nothing that is in the silmarillion or lord of the rings books.
Sauron telling Celebrimbor to mix metals is like me telling Gordon Ramsay to add salt 🤣
Celembrimbor was portrayed as an idiot sandwich though.
Also loving that the elves already had the idea to make the rings before Sauron even showed up.
Yes but only if Gordon Ramsay had been a great chef for millennia instead of 20years.
I'm surprised they didn't have galadriel give him the tip instead.
"Have you tried turning it on and off yet?"
Realizing that the show you vowed never to watch is even worse than you thought it would be is tight!
Amazon: Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
I thought the same while watching this lol
To be fair this pitch meeting gives a nice spin on it, the reality of it is way more nonsensical
I mean it was OK, better than the Hobbit movies. But there were definitely some serious obvious flaws with it.
@@xdevantx5870 Better than the hobbit movies...
*_Insert J Jonah Jameson laughing meme_*
*YOU SERIOUS* ?
I'm surprised studios are not hiring Ryan to listen to their pitches. The quality of Hollywood product would go up substantially if they did.
They would have no shows to make.
Wealthy narcissists NEVER listen to "the peasants". That's why we even have legends like Eyegurr, KK, Bezoz, and that wacky fool who wrote "Robbynnn in Da Hoõd" or whatever it was. I think he called himself "The Director", and that tells ya everything you need to know. 🙄
This pitch meeting cost Ryan $35 to make, and it's way more entertaining than the Rings of Power show.
It cost him $35?
@@college54114 yeah he had to take time out of his regular day job to make this video for 2 hours, and he makes $17.50 an hour as a shift manager at Cinnabon.
Pretty sure you can't produce something this good for under $35,000,000.
It was more profitable then the $1B waste that will never get out of the red.
Pretty sure Ryan has lunch every day not just the days he works
That Mordor origin story is so heavy-handed. They couldn't even work in the reveal organically through dialogue.
They literally -- _literally_ -- spelled it out for the audience because apparently someone using the elven word "mor-dor" in a scene describing the aftermath of the eruption would be too difficult.
03:56 cheap porn.
"and then this bad villager dude is going to shove his magical sword into this ruth ginsburg thing which makes a damn volcano go off !"
Not to mention that it kind of kills the whole point with Mordor showing an _industrial_ wasteland. And Isengard (much later) becoming the same thing due to the actions of Saruman, of course. It wasn't created in a single massive disaster, it was decades and centuries of disregard for the environment. But I guess Amazon would hardly push an origin story that says "unrestricted environmental and labour exploitation is bad", would they? :P
@@LuaanTi yeah i always assumed mordor being cancer HQ was a result of sauron jacking of into the mountain for decades on end
@@dodojesus4529nah, it was Galadriel not ending some guys minecraft let’s play.
Maybe the Scottish dwarven king could have been killed. "There's been a mordor!"
The prononciation of Galadriel, Numenor and Morgoth was so funny I wished you continued 😂
:)..Me too, I wrote a comment wishing he had leaned into it...I was chuckling thinking of him doing the names every time, differently...
And now Namorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Then he mispronounces Celebrimbor
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRE.
Yeah, Celebrimbor actually hurt.
The entire show and everyone involved in it should be cast into Mount Doom.
The problem is that they were, but everyone survived... Somehow...
This pitch meeting is likely waaay more concise and logical then the one that actually occurred.
I don't know, the money laundering and social propaganda seemed to work pretty well. Hollywood mission accomplished.
than*
the real pitch meeting was "lets kathleen kennedy the shit out of lotr. want to?"
The Tolkien Estate actually turned down several ideas from Netflix and Disney iirc
@@jonnnnniej Wasn't that before Tolkien died? Or perhaps it was afterwards and they were bargaining for more $$$. It certainly wasn't a quality issue, given what was made.
I love how the makers of this show invested a billion bucks so this Pitch Meeting could happen. I am really thankful.
It was worth it. Good deal actually.
Rings of Power, definitely one of the shows ever made.
And it shall go down in...
....the FuCkInG gutter!☺
I can definitely confirm my feelings for it.
I mean, we still have to wait for that moment in Season 2 where Galadriel goes "It's ringing time !"
Hopefully that doesn't get cut.
Of all the shows that ever were, this is one of them
it was dogshit
At a fraction of a fraction of the budget this by far more enjoyable than the actual show.
Better direction and writing than the rings of power. 10/10
RIP Christopher Tolkien, you did an amazing job taking care of your father's legacy. Let's hope his family reconsiders the way they are managing it now.
Are you f*cking kidding me? Those idiots are to blame for what these charlatans did to Tolkien's work. They took Bezos' money and this was the result, so f*ck them. What I laugh at is that they were displeased with Peter Jackson's work. I reckon they're regretting that now. Or maybe not. Nothing a few billion can't mend.
Simon Tolkien, his son, was consultant on this. It seems the blood of Tolkien is all but spent, its pride and dignity forgotten.
After those millions? No way
Yeah ol' Simon isn't handling the ip with the same care is he.
@@temite80 I don't know. He didn't let them have the Silmarillion and I'd guess they failed the test and will never get it now. No one forced Amazon to make such a pile of shite, did they?
Boy, the thing that bugs me the most about the script was the “Sauron lives because of you” Line, like were they implying that Sauron could have just died in a shipwreck??
It seems so. An immortal Maiar spirit that was part of the creation of the entire universe, with all its stars, galaxies and planets, was gonna drown at sea, despite having the power to take physical shape again whenever the previous vessel was destroyed. But hey, that is just some junk some old guy named Tolkien wrote. Who cares about that old old coot?
Singling out the most stupid line in this show is certainly not super easy.
How did you manage to sit through the whole thing?
@@grogdizzy5814 skipping all the inspirational speeches is a good start.
Well no, it's talking about when she took a wounded Halbrand to Eregion to be healed.
The only reason that the Gandalf reveal was a major twist was because there were a thousand reasons it absolutely should not have been Gandalf, not the least of which being that he cannonocally doesn't show up until about a thousand years after the last allience of elves and men when Sauron gets his finger cut off.
This deserves a thousand votes. Honestly, what the hell. Gandalf showing up before the actual corruption of Men and Dwarves is like the police showing up at your door the day you move into a neighborhood because you look like you might cause a noise complaint.
I hate writers who are allergic to cause and effect. They literally are proud of themselves for shoehorning in "because destiny said so!" Same thing with Mordor. How was Mordor created? From centuries of industrial misuse of the land? Or one volcanic boi? Why show the land decaying for a reason when you can just make it Mordor instantly because it will become Mordor, therefore it is Mordor.
Watching Pitch Meetings instead of the entire series is 'super easy, barely an inconvenience"! Keep them coming!
Watching Pitch Meetings instead of the entire series is 'tight'!
WOW WOW WOW wow
That’s from the Web Series!!!
@@bartoszjedlinski6808 wow
Tolkien himself said he left some gaps in the story for others to fill. But then they just didn’t fill the gaps and rewrote the stuff around the gaps
There was seriously so much they could have done without messing with canon at all.
amazon took a giant dump into the gaps
Yeah but that’s not fun
Actually it's pronounced Token bro.
They even messed up the Rings of Power being created. If there's one thing they can't mess up it's that.
The pitch meeting subverted more of my expectations than the show did. Breath taking.
Yes you should take breath.. else you will.. die..
@@Scientist-exe damn, phone did me dirty. Take breath I shall.
I clapped!
My favorite part was when Ryan told Ryan "face OFF" and literally stole his face so he had an extra face. Majestic.
@@theminister1154 truly magnificent, I wept at the sheer genius of it.
I wish we could get a pitch meeting for every episode.
But I know that would condemn Ryan to watch them all. 😢
Yes, the finest craftsman in the world had never before heard of the concept of ALLOYS.
Remember, no character can ever be smarter than the person writing them.
Celebrimbor had only been crafting for millennia, how was he supposed to know that metal can alloy. 🤷♂️
@@TurinTuramber It's like meeting a famous chef, and suggesting the concept of combining ingredients together.
You can tell Ryan's a Tolkien fan. He perfectly delineated ROP's many writing problens with humor that made them at least somewhat worthwhile! Nice job dude. :)
I've only ever watched the original triology twice and even i knew that the tv show was crap.
Yes, you can tell he actually did his research other than a couple of errors.
You can tell he's not because he said Sell-ibrimbor. Tolkein fans know that the letter C at the beginning of the word is pronounced as K...as in Kelibrimbor. But go off fam
It's hilarious that their blacksmiths didn't know how to make alloys. This is a universe where bronze and steel weapons exist and they are both alloys (copper and tin, iron and carbon).
Im not a tolkien fan and even i knew that stuff because lotr is pushed around a lot.
"So what do ya think?"
"Well I think... its... its a recognisable brand name!" 😂😂 love it
Isn’t that basically the formula for all movie and tv shows now? Take franchise insert politically correct dialogue at the expensive of quality ruin franchise alienate fan base then blame said fan base.
@@boredflower yep, as critical drinker would say, it's been updated for "modern audiences" and now its just spouts things that are all about "THE MESSAGE"
@@zogwort1522 I've tried to understand how your comment relates to mine, I really tried, but what on earth does that have to do with my comment?
Why would my comment insinuate that the south shouldn't be a bunch of prejudiced guys in white hoofs, and instead be like north Africa?
How did you even arrive at that?
@@zogwort1522 no, I was asking if my comment was insinuating anything
I never said orcs need to be black, that's an insult only someone of your caliber would think to say
The shit I'm talking about, in particular, the men of Middle earth, supposed to be Nordic or Slavic or Scandinavian or northern european based men who skin tone reflects it, and whos time reflects it as its before any sort of time where equatorally inclined skin types travel to all corners of the earth, and a time where your skin type generally indicates that your people have been here for thousands of years not moving around, and where everyone have a specific skin type for a certain latitude of the globe, basically what I'm saying here, the men of middle earth are pale skinned, and the men of harard, far harard, the Easterlings, the corsair men of umbar, they are not from middle earth, therefore they have an excuse as to why they dont have pale skin. Then you have the men of numenor, practically the palest men in the history of Middle earth, and the queen of the royal family, who's line decends from the palest of pale skins, the elves themselves, and the queen who was canonically described in the books with a fair, white, pale skin, in the show, is black. Speaking of elves, the dwarves and elves in the show, who in the books as Tolkien wrote in their origin stories being as immune to change and the elements, and to all illnesses as well, (remember, the reason why the elves were fading in middle earth as the world changed around them, and why the dwarves were isolating themselves and being forgotten as they return to the rocks they were molded from) ergo they're immune to things like uv rays and sunlight, ergo no need to ever naturally develop things like adaptations or evolutionary changes to counteract the excess rays and overabundance of vitamin D, ergo, NO BLACK ELVES OR DWARVES, especially when dwarves live, underground!
That's just a taste of the cardinal sins this show undertook, both in regards to the lore, logic, common sense, and the writing, ugh, don't get ne started on the fucking writing. Meteor man: "I am good", top tier writing there folks (like hell it is). Or wait wait wait, how about galadriel finding out sauron is halbrand, knowing celebrimbor made the rings with his guidance, knowing the evil and power sauron is capable of, yet not saying a damn thing to the other elves about how they probably shouldn't be using the rings after she finds out.
I rest my fucking case
@@zogwort1522 nah, I hadn't, sorry, no sleep tends to get me not getting things sometimes, also this is like the third time this week but over a period of a few days where someone's tried telling me how rings of power wasn't woke
this was a $$$$ grab by both Amazon & the current runners of Tolkien Estate pure and simple... with no rights to The Unfinished Tales & The Silmarillion,this is basically VERY EXPENSIVE fan fiction!!! many thanks Ryan,you have provided a great service to all LOTR fans...
I wish more people realized this. The show was 100% a billion dollar money laundering run for almost everyone involved. Bezos probably signed off on it without reading a single script or talking to a single person actually involved in making it, so any real success would have been just a nice side effect that made their use of future seasons for more of the same a lot easier, but either way, plenty of people in the right places got their cut of that billion plus bezosbucks dumped into this mess.
The fact that despite its abysmal numbers (after the first episode, when people realized what they were in for and abandoned ship) they greenlit additional seasons is all but proof of this. They'll keep churning this along despite nobody watching and letting Amazon get those great hollywood/twitter brownie points for being so diverse and inclusive, and just enough morons will cheer and clap (but then not actually watch the show because, oh right, it's BAAAD) that it's the perfect shield against scrutiny. After all you would have to be racist/sexist/ableist/fatphobic/(other ist and phobe) incels to attack a show with obese black woman as part of the cast!
I really do not understand how anybody can get past the second episode without falling asleep or getting distracted by a spec of dust in the air.
I know! And the plot was so predictable. I only watched the first three episodes, good to see I didn’t miss much
Yeah I got distracted in the 1st episode there were too many plot lines and characters imo
I just switched to watching my toenails grow.
@@nhmooytis7058 literally! 😭🤣
@@a.b.2405 I have very fast growing toenails.
I actually had to pause the video to laugh at the "Elrond. . ." "He's from the Matrix movies!" "That's kind of correct, sir" exchange. Everything else was making me chuckle in a "This is so true; I can't believe how bad the show was" kind of way, but that exchange was the gut-buster for me.
I think it's a nod to the commentaries of the movie, an exchange between Dominic Monaghan and Billy Boyd (Merry and Pippin).
Best part for sure. I was thinking of the Matrix every single time I saw Elrond.
I watched the whole thing, and it was like watching a relative slowly being eaten by cancer. The time wasted can never be given back, and I eagerly waited for this pitch meeting to arrive. So thanks for giving somthing back that I lost.
Perfectly executed, unlike the show itself! 👌🏻
If only we could execute the show itself.
This series got me to do the unthinkable and decide to willingly read over watching TV. I started reading the LotR books (starting with the Hobbit) instead of watching this
good call!
Reading The Hobbit is definitely faster than watching those movies.
Jeff Bezos will come for you in the night!
Me at the start of the season: That's not Gandalf that would be too stupid.
Me in the middle of the season: Yup this show is dumb enough, that's Gandalf.
Yep, I realized very quickly the writers never even read the silmarillion... In the books, Gandalf comes in on a boat and basically starts off his journey where it ends at the end of lord of the rings, also gets given one of the rings of power over Saruman (a small slight which builds over the centuries and is a slight foreshadowing of their eventual clash in LotR's), both of these things were well written and serves not only as a fair starting point for an important character but works to set the stage for the rest of the story.
But yeah RoP is dumb enough to ignore all that and go... you know I really liked playing Diablo 3, like REALLY liked it... so anyway I just learned Gandalf was essentially an Angel in Tolkien's lore... wouldn't it be cool if we had him fall from a meteor just like Tyrael in Diablo 3... OMG no one would see that coming! That would be so cool bro... it like subverts expectations and stuff... who doesn't like big explosions! I clapped just thinking about it.
Sounds like they managed to trick one person then.
I thought that they were trying to make you think that it's gandalf, but than reveal that they're saruman.
@@vampuricknight1IIRC, they didn't have the rights to the Silmarillion, only to the appendices(!) of TLOTR.
@@theonewithoutalife8519 that would require the writers to have down the basics of writing. You give them too much credit, sir :)
A 2 hour long version of this pitch meeting I would have gladly watched all the way through
Sorry to disappoint, but there isn't much more story to include. He covered just about everything from the 8+ hours into 6 minutes.
@@yisroel6 lol.... basically.
Watch Thelittleplatoon's review
@@Mitch19222 Hahah yea, I watched it all xD was good stuff
I like how even the Producer Guy was getting frustrated just hearing the beginning of this pitch 😂
It's simply amazing that you were able to film the actually pitch meeting for the show.
Golden
Filming the actual pitch meeting was super easy, barely an inconvenience. 😀
I am sure more effort went into this Pitch Meeting, than the actual one for the show.
I think it’s the one pitch meeting I wish had more, simply because the show gave us so much entertainment to rant about like the villagers going into a fortified keep with no food, or leaving said keep for the defenceless village.
ahh yes, the fortified keep that came down after a single rope snapped XD
Haha, but looking at humans dealing with a pandemic... are we still sure humans make great decisions? 😛
@@TragoudistrosMPH 😂
Yes people fleeing for their lives always have time to take all the food with them. Ridiculous.
@@Doug_Hannon Well it wasn't so much a flee, as a more scuttle out of town with bags filled with god knows what, all except food into a solidified keep where they planned "after discussion" (within a tavern) to stay locked in. Mind you they were also eating in said tavern and food was visibly present, yet none had the foresight to take some. P.s. They also had time to extinguish candles if it adds anything to the irony.
So please do take things out of context considering we were discussing what happened in a work of fiction. I would and i'm sure the ones above who replied to my comments, never make jokes of real life situations whereby there would be potential harm to human lives. It is simply that the show was incompetent to such a level, its beyond a joke. Particularly if you consider how many people approved of these scripts before they were turned into production.
I don’t think you were going to sit through this series but I’m so glad you did!
This was awesome Ryan!
I don’t laugh out loud often but this one did it.
Thank you. Made my day.
It’s his job i guess
I actually found this to be one of the least funny ones.
Because it's all true.... 😁
What else is one going to sit through? I'll admit the show has problems, but it's still better then most everything else on TV.
Amazon exec: So your telling me the protagonist who just jumped off a ship on a whim while in the middle of the ocean, just so happens to bump into the one guy she’s looking to kill?
Writer: Yep!!
Amazon exec:…. Brilliant! Six seasons and movie!
1:44
I love how there's the moment where the guy giving the pitch is just like "Wow...I mean, this producer has never told me no before, but this one really is the dumbest, most impossible random chance that I've ever written. Like, finding someone on a raft in the ocean with a satellite with general coordinates takes a lot of work. This is actually impossible. There's no way he'll"
"Well alright then."
"oh thank god."
And we know Sauron didn’t have that shit in Lord of the Rings so it’s definitely random chance
I mean there are plenty of things wrong with the show, but I got the strong impression Sauron was looking for her on the ocean and that it wasn't an accident. Remember Sauron's whole plan is to trick everyone into making the rings so he can control them all with The One Ring. And Sauron is basically a god at this point before he is killed by actual God flooding Numenor and remaking the world from flat to round.
@@patrickshaw411 Sauron from LoTR is LITERALLY a shadow of his former self compared to this Sauron. I mean don't get me wrong the show has serious problems but this wasn't it.
Uh... the ... uh.... magic of ... of fate, yeah. 🤷♂
The fact that he didn't even cover half of the problems with that show just says a lot.
The fact that TH-cam is clogged with 52-minute-long 6-minute videos...well, I respect Ryan more.
@@hoilst265 pretty sure OP is making a dig on the show, not Ryan, saying that the show has so many things odd and wrong that Ryan wouldn't be able to fit it in one Pitch Meeting vid.
3:20 "My brain is basically mush at this point" Is basically the only excuse left for the atrocity that was this show
But his was mush AFTER writing all those speeches. The real writers had mush for brains right from the very start.
Thank you, this is a great summary of the stupidity and art destruction we had to endure.
I was so excited for this show I bought all of the books from the Silmarillion to the Unfinished Tales, and the Histories of Middle Earth. I marathoned them all in the year leading up to the first trailer. Only to realize they had thrown out like literally everything from the books. 😂
I don't regret it though, the books are incredible and epic enough to stand on their own without a live action adaptation.
The Silmarillion is a tough read.
@@DaDaDo661 It can be tough, but well worth it if you make your way through. Especially after you get through the literal world-building part at the beginning. It's got some pretty metal stories. The kin-slayings, the downfall of Numenor, like EVERYTHING Turin Turambar goes through. But it just depends on the sorts of stories a person likes to read.
@@jaceyking5015 Everything cool that's not in the Rings of Power basically lol.
Amazon only have the rights to LotR. not the Silmarillion or other works.
Would you consider listinh out all the books here one should read (in chronological order if possible). I would live to get into the lore too.
That finisher was the best way to describe this show:
"A very recognisable brand name!"
"Omg you're serious" sums up what the writing of this series is.
Did you actually win something? TH-cam points? I hear they're redeemable on Amazon prime video.
Think I’ve managed to binge watch everyone of these now. They are amazing, comedic timing is a hard thing to master so being able to cut and paste it in during editing like this is truly exceptional.
I had 100 percent forgotten this show even existed and you just lunged me back into it.
He explained the ENTIRE plot of 8 hours of show in 6 mins. Speaks volumes 🤣
And all the plot holes
Absolutely
LOTR: Magic ring bad, thrown in volcano.
Just explained the ENTIRE plot of 12 hours of movies/1000+ page book in 6 words. Speaks volumes 🤣
That's the neat part of having incompetent writers...
@@CPonSound No young man, that is called a summary. Good try though. Gold Star 🌟 for you!
"I was thinking we'd make a Lord of the Rings show--" "That's a recognizable name!!" 😂
This video was spot on. Thank you as always for your service Ryan. 👏👏👏
And it goes full circle when he asks him at the end what he thought, and the only response is "Well it's a very.... recognizable name". Because that is seriously all the show has going for itself. The title.
Just finished reading the Silmarillion, and now decided to watch this pitch meeting to know roughly how the show shapes up. Seems it doesn't!
This is the pitch meeting I have been looking forward to and boy was I not disappointed. Absolutely funny af and exactly to the point! 🤣🤣🤣
That was way more enjoyable than any episode of RoP I managed to stay awake through.
I fell asleep twice in one episode and finally just said to my girlfriend, "let's skip it and move on. I won't matter."
Hope you didn't watch it on amazon...
I was nodding off at some point during episode 1 and paused it. I rewatched the whole episode and can't tell you much about it. I figured cuz I had gotten off work, I was tired, but nope. This show is boring AF. Less than halfway into ep 2, I was looking at my phone a lot and just turned it off. The dialog is horrible, the fight was cringe, there's no sense of time or distance and there's barely a plot from what I saw. Sauron bad, Galadriel good. She argues with everyone, everyone is stupid. She always gets what she wants. That's it. That's the show.
So much yes here. I love how the boss man is very put off more so than in other episodes, because there are just so many obvious problems with the plot, the characters, the world building, the twists, the lore destruction, etc. that not even he can really just let it slide.
This show is just so bad the boss man has to question it.
The thing about pyroclastic flow is not just that it's commonly over a thousand degrees hot. It's also that it has an average flow speed of around 100kmh. That's the equivalent of a category 10 storm. A category 10 storm is enough to uproot trees, and cause significant damage to buildings. But 100kmh is just the average flow speed of pyroclastic flow. The speed can go up to 700kmh.
Here's a little quote from the wikipedia entry on pyroclastic flows:
"The kinetic energy of the moving cloud will flatten trees and buildings in its path. The hot gases and high speed make them particularly lethal, as they will incinerate living organisms instantaneously or turn them into carbonized fossils."
The only way to escape is getting out beforehand