Hindutva is a complex ideology and is misunderstood by oversimplification, Islam seems to be a simple philosophy which is misunderstood by making it complex
the simple-mindedness of this "summation" is basically the problem of the subcontinent in the postcolonial scenario. never can people, it seems, allow the daggers to remain sheathed in the interests of actually learning about the other. which means not just listening, but listening twice, and then some. these are vast and ancient traditions - how can you ever be comfortable "learning" about them from politicians' rhetoric or jingoistic propaganda or the ideological academe that holds up the West as somehow the nec plus ultra of human cultural and scholarly achievement?
What a load of BS seriously. The founder of Hindutva ideology was a staunch atheist who also worked towards eradication of caste system. Seems like the only thing this guy has read about indian politics are tweets from 19yo indians who've just discovered karl marx.🤣
On the question of Hindutva, the professor seems to have definitive answers, but on religious populism, PTI, and Imran Khan, he flickered, highlighting his double standards and hypocrisy.
Well actually in a way you are diminishing the strength of Hindutva by comparing the political populism of Imran Khan to it. A movement which is over a century old and has made in roads in many segments of society, especially the powerful ones, so it's a very potent influence. Of course, many would argue that Hindutva is a totalitarian movement that has blood on its hands, and theirin lies its dangers... btw, first and foremost, for India itself
You are comparing a movement which started in 1920s witha vasy cadre to the populism of IK.. surely there is a difference in orders of magnitude... also in the danger it represents
@@azarkamal4477 No there isnt - Both Hindutva and Islamic Republic of Pakistan are cancers to society and both are Fascist movements with the end goal of purfying their land and elimination all impurities..Indian professors and experts don't hesitate like this guy.
Interestingly over 90 % population of HIndu is either ST/SC or OBC. Upper cast is just less than 10% . So Whole Hinduism stand tall because of ST/Sc and OBC. They are so much committed for Hindu Dharma . And We are Proud of them.
7:52 - 8:19 Shahzad trying too hard to shift the blame for solidification of Muslim Identity in the sub continent and the Muslim consciousness as NOT HINDU on the British Colonial Master 😅 While Clergymen since before the time of Barani had been hell bent at demonizing the Hindu Practises and the Hindus, the Sufis had been hand in glove with the Muslim Ruling dispensation of the Middle Ages in co ersing the Hindus to convert and much of the Muslim Clergy, Nobility and Ruling Housea had time and again used War and Taxation as means for propagation and spread of Islam. The issue is complete HATRED and INTOLERANCE of Idol Worship and Polytheism in ISLAM. THE BRITISH WERE ONLY EXPLOITING WHAT HAS BEEN PRE ORDAINED IN ISLAM FOR BRITISH INTERESTS. BRITISH DIDNT GIVE ISLAM TO THE HUMANITY AND THE WORLD.
@@ThePakistanExperienceShifting the blame from the Barani, Sheikh Ahmed Sirhindi, SHAH Waliullah and ilk on the British. British were only exploiting what the Clergy had been trying, quite successfully, in Indian Subcontinent for almost a Millenia.
One major cause of conversion of Hindus(btw not only to Islam) was the caste system. Looking into that would require introspection... so much to shifting blame...
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s Exactly WHY RAJPUTS and other LANDOWNING 'JAJMAN' Status Castes had converted to Islam and the Jatavs of West UP, to almost a man, had STAYED HINDU UNTIL FALLING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF NEO BUDDHISM BEGINNING LATE 1950s 👎🏻
Arey pagal dalit schedule caste Hindus ke liye ek term hai.... Woh koi ek separate community nhi hai.... Me bhi schedule caste hu... Or 90% hindutva people are of schedule caste like me.... Including balasaheb thakre and modi
Balasaheb Thackeray was of Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhu caste, which is an upper caste. Modi is of modh-ghanchi caste i.e. bania caste which has been categorized as Other Backward Caste due to educational or economic reasons. Kuch bhi chutiye jaisa pelne ka nahi anonymous account hai toh
Bal Thackeray was of Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhu caste which is an upper caste. Narendra Modi is of Modh-Ghanchi caste i.e. bania caste which is categorized as an Other Backward Caste by the Government of India based on educational and economic reasons. Stop waffling about stuff that you are clueless about.
@@Zaldrize-zr6gh first don't give reason on why Modi's caste is backward..... You don't give these reasons when it comes to so-called Dalits that they are economically backward or whatever that's why they are of backward caste .... And now let's come to balasaheb thakre..... Go and watch your dhruv Rathee father's video on udhav thakre goverment collapse... There he said balasaheb thakre father was lower caste person.... Go and blame your father's misinformation factory not me..
About the whole hindutva thing, how about we refrain from talking about things we don’t understand? Or is every Pakistani like their generals expert on everything???
Club of retired Generals of Pakistan Army. Generals are always right. Sorry I forgot to say High prestige cricket players. Imzamamul Haq and Mohammad yousaf alongwith Mustaq the spin bowler. It is power without doing anything.
@lordanubysh Yes you are right, also "experts" like Abhijit Iyer Mitra, Abhijit Chavda, Gaurav Arya etc should not talk about Islam or Muslims or even Pakistani society, they are also as ignorant as these people are on Indian society...and Im not a Pakistani btw
@@junaid_2107 And this is where the BJP IT Cell will go silent and not respond, as soon as you show them that they do exactly the same thing. Heck, just look at the World Press Freedom rankings, India comes in at 162 despite being a democracy; in comparison Pakistan is atleast better at 150 despite being a deep-state run country.
The state of Pakistan, the mullahs, medical doctors,scientists, nutritionists, dental surgeons, Waderas, aristocrats, mazar based peers have let the people of Pakistan down. They are living in dolorble conditions.
@@zainabtahir8502 Of course it does break the caste system. If you read RSS original documents, they don't subscribe to caste system, in fact actively promote removal of caste barrier.
@@zainabtahir8502 Savarkar the father of Hindutva organised intercaste dining and marriage . In his book Essentials of Hindutva where he gave the theory and definition of Hindutva he wrote strongly against Casteism and religious superstition. Swami Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar one of the earliest reformers himself married a widow to set an example among the conservatives of that time
The professor is right about Hindutva's attitude towards Islam but he isnt well aware about Hindutva's attitude towards Dalits. Hindutva and more generally modern Hinduism major project has been to incorporate Dalits into mainstream Hinduism. Of course this project hasn't been easy fighting ancient bigotry but things have improved significantly and there are clear signs it will improve more in the coming decades.
Because Dalits are the only way they will make up the numbers. However, most Dalits know that after Muslims, they will be next. This is what happens always.
@@muddi900 "First they came for x, then they came for y, then they for us" etc these are tropes. Reallity is not always as simplistic like that. Yes it is about numbers. In electoral politics everything is about numbers in the end. But if you take a broader historical perspective you will see Hindu society whether conservative, liberal or progressive have all tried to incorporate and address the dalit issue. This is one area where there isn't a massive difference in their wish for righting the historical wrongs. Of course everyone frame it differently. Conservative will try to avoid the blame, progressives will blame conservatives, liberals will say forget the past let's look ahead. But everyone acknowledges the issue and real, genuine progress has been made. Of course there is much more to be done. But societal issues are a mess. It's not so easy to undo all the socio-economic biases very quickly. Nevertheless it's one area to be hopeful about.
@@muddi900hindutva is a movement of survival. As India is the only major country of Hindu culture.. it’s not against anybody. Islam has 60 days to thrive.We integrate Indian Muslims as most were converted sons and RSS constitution does not even mention any thing about Islam and it speaks about land boundaries based Hindu identity. No one is superior in this new definition of hindutva. RSS has Muslim and Christian’s wings as well.. I think paxis have to learn to understand about democracy and economy from India.. not about hindutva .
To think that Hindutva is not a threat to Muslims (& Christians) is being blind. At the same time to think that Hindutva has worsened situation for Dalits or other backward caste groups or threatens to do so is prejudice.
Wah bhai wah like maza hi agea seriously, never thought ill get to listen for what ears were desperate to listen from long . .listening to this guest was like more exciting then any 'سماع' (sufi poetry). Reason being that this great man realize n acknowledge the limitation of his research n knowledge. He is masha Allah pure academic person, practically understands the subject of research methodology, have very fine understanding of epistemological concepts which stops him from being blunt, it is no lie that he is maybe the first person I have listened to with this quality, unlike our local n internationaI speakers today who are masters of all jacks, n would respond to every question bluntly. If Im not wrong it was imam malik ra(one of four famous islamic jurists) who was asked around forty questions on islamic jurisprudence in haram(sacred place for muslims), he answered more or less 10-15 questions n for around 25 questions his answer was 'لا ادری' meaning I dont know, books have been written titled 'لا ادری' in arabic literature containing the stories of wise n intellectual people replying with 'لا ادری' to very simple nature of questions. Wise people have said 'لا ادری' is a half knowledge. This is the trait speakers, intellectuals, academians and the people of this planet earth as a whole have missed; self-acknowledgment for the limitation of what we know. And the bitter truth is that even the public is less attracted towards such honest people, they are more inclined towards irresponsible n blunt people like engr. mirza Ali n Sahil Adeem, who are there to answer your all questions n wont even accept if proven wrong. I have spent time in tablighi jamaat n I may not agree with all his research findings n results but this guy is gem for the reason I mentioned. Masha Allah far away from exaggeration. Also the hosts should educate people that everyone is not literate enough to comment on everything, rather than being influenced by this phenomena n structuring your questions that way. Hosts make their guests believe that they are wise enough to comment on everything, n guests also start believing n acting that way except for few people like this associate prof from uni of Tennessee❤❤❤
1:36:15 ' this is so true, Deobandi scholars in Dar ul Uloom Deoband are way different from the ones in Punjab, and even more different from the ones in Afghanistan, even the ones in Punjab and Karachi are quite different. Most of the movements in Pakistan are actually movements that have origins in UP, Deoband, Nizamuddin Markaz, Bareily, AhleHadees, and even the Pakistan movement itself (Aligarh)'
I found the talk interesting and the first time I heard about Tabligi Jamaat in India was a rather negative report that they were refusing to maintain social distancing strictly imposed by the Indian govt in early 2020 onset of Covid pandemic around Nizamuddin area of Dilli. Of course immediately they were dubbed as superspreaders by some mainstream and social media. Also the speaker did not mention Shah Waliullah and his followers who had some role in anti colonial struggle in 1840s and 50s. That would have been a bonus.
Wished the guest had enlighten more on the hierarchies with in the tableghi jamaat and their modus operandi like if we are talking about a city tableeghi Jamat would have a number of masjids and imams, the topic of jummah khutba are decided mutually, for every muhalla or colony there is a an Ameer/responsible then there are weekly meeting called mashwaras and on each alternative day of the week they do "gasht" mostly in the evenings where they often go door or door or preach in public places, then often on different masjids members go and after the namaz they quickly get and preach in a way that any person would feel bad to walk out even if they want to, lot more things i find tableeghi jamaat rituals very thoughtful and properly managed..
It is obvious the person does not know much about tableeghi jammat. Never he mentioned proper hiierarchy and said tbey dont call it ameer anymore. Lol ? Plus never mentioned the 6 points book of tableegh. Wrong number after dr sahil adeem he seems. (Less / ill informed)
@@ThePakistanExperience when u don't answer the question.......make excuses.....that what Pakistani does......how liberals u are....reflects on your hate towards Hindu & abusing on another term hindutva......bullshit
Tableegi jamat was Reaction to Shuddhi movement of Arya samaj under dayanand Saraswati which was concentrated in NW india. As the Muslim converts in NW india , i.e. Pakistan Punjab sindh and Indian Punjab harayan Delhi and part of west UP , they use to follow all the htier cultural Practises derived from their Ancestors who were Hindu. So all the "HINDUANAA rasm-o-riwaaz" was alive in their Lifestyle. Which still is alive in Most muslims of India and even Pakistan. Dayanand Arya Samaj was a REVIVALIST REFORM Movement in Hinduism. It tried to eliminated worst features of Hindu religion like Caste , untouchability , Idol worship like superstition etc and Said "BACK TO THE VEDAS". As vedas were written during Tribal Phase of hindus so it contains Egalitarian Principles like most tribal societies. So They used vedas and Rejected all other later Hindu texts like Puranas which contains various deformities of Hindu societies when India Progressed into a Proper civilisation with Urbanisation and complex society. So Arya samaj followers pushed Shuddhi even to the Convert Moslems in NW , as most of the lifestyle of these Converts was same as their ancsestors so , only work was to end the defromity of Hindu religion and Return them back to hindu fold. So massive Ghar wapsi or shuddhi started, The Deobandis suddenly got Spooked up. They launched massive Tabhleegi campaign , whose focus was to end all the Hindu cultural Traits from life of a Convert moslem , Try to Arabise him to level of deobandis . It was focused on barelvis. The ocnept of Chilla itself was derived from Hindus who have the concept of leaving the material world and go to forest and mountains to search for sprituality and later dedicate the lifestyle for Hindu religion and people. So Tabhleegi jamaat was nothing but antithesis to Shuddhi movement
Shudhi Movement WAS AN 'INNOVATION', MUCH NEEDED THOUGH TOO LITTLE TOO LATE, brought by a Sect which had moved out from IDOL Worship traditions within Hinduism. Different Sects under the Hindu Umbrella had BEEN PROSELYTISING UNTIL THE OSSIFICATION in Hindu Society sometime around the turn of the last Millenium. SHUDDHI MOVEMENT BOTH SHOWED AND LED THE WAY IN BRINGING PEOPLE WHO HAD FALLEN PREY TO BOTH CO ERSIVE AND VIOLENT PROSELYTISING TRADITION OF THE SUFIS, CLERGY AND MUSLIM NOBILITY IN THE MIDDLE AGES. Where Shuddhi Movement fell short was NOT 'WINNING' ENOUGH RE CONVERSIONS AMONGST PRIMARILY LANDOWING MUSLIM COMMUNITY, THE MUSLIM RAJPUTS AND JATTS TO THE ARYA SAMAJ. Any 'movement' to RE CONVERT Muslims MUST FOCUS ON THE TRADITIONAL LAND OWNING CASTES OR 'BIRADARIS' AND THE 'KAMMI' COMMUNITIES DEPENDENT ON THE LAND OWNING ONES.
Your knowledge of subject is quite upto the mark but with two mistakes. . Vedas can't be called as Tribal times of Hinduism as they ( perticularly Upanishads) where written in times of agricultural civilization . However Puranas where written much later than Vedas even in middle ages . So vedas can be called as creation of great civilization. But puranas can be called as creation of great civilization at its lowest . 2 .
@@adityaji2001 well whatever vedas describe abt the society, system of governance , the varna system which had mobility and not based on birth, the technology etc all clearly conclude that it was a nomadic society during rigveda and almost become rural settled society by completion of atharva veda. The focus on various Gods and rivers also change as we move from rigveda to atharva veda. Upanishads weren't written during vedic age, but during Later Vedic age , 800 BCE to 200BCE . The timeline for composing the 3 veda itself is about in aprox thousand of years from 1500BCE to 500 BCE. I m saying this with whatever historians have able to deduce frm the vedic text as till now they haven't able to found or excavate any major vedic era habitation etc. I won't call it civilisation. It didn't even had coin as currency . But number of cow was used as show of wealth and status. First coin was started in 500 BCE during Buddhist era or era of mahajanpada which was Proper civilisation. Purana were compiled during Gupta era and are full of bogus stories mixed with some history of ancient India. Upanishads r treasure trove of indian Philosophy
@@hotfun07 well shuddhi movement failed badly i wud say. But arya samaj contributions are very important for hindu society. They do brought some rationality to Hindus of NW india
The Tablighi Jamaat is an Islamic revivalist movement that spread globally, including to Pakistan. Some key points about the Tablighi Jamaat in Pakistan: The Tablighi Jamaat has close ties with the Pakistani military and ISI intelligence services, who have used the group to recruit members for militant activities and support the military's regional strategy. The group's headquarters in Pakistan, located in Raiwind, is seen as a hub where Tablighi members are approached by extremists and recruited for militant training. However, the Tablighi Jamaat's leadership in Pakistan also faces challenges from more radical Islamist factions, leading to infighting and violent clashes between rival Tablighi groups. The Pakistani military has encouraged the Tablighi Jamaat in Pakistan to be independent from the group's global Tablighi centres, as the military seeks to maintain control over Islamist and terrorist organizations. Overall, the Tablighi Jamaat in Pakistan has a complex relationship with the military and religious extremism, serving as both a recruiter for militant activities as well as a target of attacks by jihadist groups outside the military's control.
Btw, Shahzad Bhai, We consider you a sane mind from across the border and understand we may have disagreements or any of us could be ignorant about few or many things which can be understood and debated together. All the best ✌🏻👍🏻
why is nobody talking about the fact that this guy, though claiming to be left leaning, is presenting equal criticism of leftists the way he is doing with the Right wing people. ❤
43:23 none of this are aware of Varna system and all this people gather their knowledge from The Wire , The Print , The quint or from darbari historians like ramchandra guha who all come from Romila thappar school of thoughts who was among the first Nehru family Darbari historians .. im myself an OBC i have never seen discrimination from any so called Upper Cast what this people calls Brahminism ... rather if one belongs to SC or ST cast they get more privilege in education system and in government sector , they also get reservation in institutes like IITS were as some one like sundar pichai who is TAM Brahmin have to earn it on his own merits ...
Hindu revivalism is just a reaction to Muslim fundamentalism. We have already gone through partition. I'm a Kashmiri pandit who was hounded out of my home. I am a rationalist but approve of revivalism as a defence mechanism. I don't want our generations to suffer. I know that religion should not be mixed with politics, but I have faith in my religion which is fundamentally secular. It will self correct itself if it crosses the ethical or moral line.
Lol saudi arabia is now participating in miss universe for income now the dictator rulers of arab states are trying to make muslims atheist to make them do such anti religion things only for income which goes to arab rulers mostly so they banned tableeghi jamat to make people atheist only for their income
@@user-ghtvkisswc34560O I have read the Saudi government newspaper, and they reported the news, not Ajtak ( btw no sane person in India read ajtak for international news, they will refer Wion, Indian Express, Quint, Scroll, Firstpost etc). 😂😂 now, please don't tell me the Saudi government news outlet is also Indian media. And I haven't mentioned UAE. Why do you include totally different countries? Just because you don't know actual news. 🤭🤭
Lol both Saudi arab and UAE want their population to go away from religion so they can do business in restricted fields like selling alcohol,music concerts that is why they banned Tablighi jamat because Tablighi jamat will encourage not to drink alcohol and go in music concerts
@@ThePakistanExperience brother I like the way u present your work......but tell me one thing.......why its always Muslim who have problem......Muslims in India....Muslims in Israel.....Muslim in Europe....Muslim in america......why not other religion.......there must be something wrong with the Islam.....or quran
An excellent conversation and the good professor has a good grasp on his subject. I wish his book was a bit cheaper $$$. Having said that I as an Indian living in India would like to strongly disagree w/the good professor on his take on Hindutva & it's so called revival. I see no signs of any revival but after having been the step child of the state and the system. The otherisation that the professor is talking about is a response of Hindus towards repeated attempts by the Muslim minority to punch above their weight. This is not felt by Hindus alone but is also by Christians in the South. It would be extraordinary to expect that after so long and so much anyone would keep on turning the other cheek. Now that the other cheek is not being presented and the raised hand is being stopped the Islamics are crying blue murder. Happens. When someone pushes everyone around this response is bound to come sooner or later & that is what you see.
bhai India mai jo vloger book pe discuss karne ke liye guest bulate hai woh pehle puri book padh lete hai and then only they discuss it. its also insulting for guest that you read only the first chapter. bhai pakistan me padhne ka rivaj nahi hai? you looks like a well read person and here you never read the full book before inviting guests.. its disappointing. also plz dont discuss hinduism or hindutva because you guys dont know the damn about it. Savarkar was a straunch ethist and wanted to erredict the cast in the first place.90% of india either obc or schedule cast or schedule tribes. Modi is obc himself.
Shahzad Bhai aaik kaam karain sirf Indians aour indian economy kay baray main baat kia karain. Har waqt yehi bataya karain kay india kitna mahaan hai Indian economy America say agay nikal gai hai etc etc. Bharat Bharat kia karain. Tareef hi Tareef ho gi. World's #1 Intellectual ka award diya jai ga. The moment aap Islam ki baat kar lain, muslims ki baat kar lain, pakistan ki baat kar lain to tab hi 180 degree ka switch paray ga.
they don't even know that savarkar was against casteism 😂 read 7 shackles , i know reading isn't popular in Pakistan but atleast don't excrete without knowing the topic
No problem we have the toilets to "excrete" in but its good you guys are " SO SO EDUCATED AND WISE" because you really donot have any toilets to piss in.
I have a solution for solving all Pakistan problems 1. Start doing namaz 15 times a day. 2. Get 100% sharia law 3. Only get your children educated in madrasa, all other type of education should be banned. 4. Every body should start doing quran hifz atlest 30 to 50 verses. 5. Start 100% Islamic Banking in Pakistan. 6. Traveling to non Islamic countries should be banned, no need to have any relation with kuffar Follow all above rules and then lets see who stops Pakistan progress 𝐀𝐋𝐋𝐀𝐇𝐔 𝐀𝐊𝐁𝐀𝐑!
منظم طریقے سے ایجنسیاں ان مذہبی جماعتوں اور تنظیموں کو بناتی آرہی ہےاور انکو استعمال کرتی آرہی ہے جن کو سسٹم کی سپورٹ حاصل ہوتی ہے۔ اس میں مسلمانوں کی جہالت سے بھرپور فائدہ اٹھایا جاتا ہے۔ تبلیغی جماعت کا وجود ایشیا کی پیداوار اور فقہ حنفی کو پھیلانے کے لئے استعمال کرتے ہے۔
بھاٸ آج کل کی مذہبی جماعتیں کو ایجنسیاں بناتی ہوں گی لیکن اگر تبلیغی جماعت ہوتی تو وہ ایسی جماعت نہ ہوتی جو ہندوٶں کو بھی ساتھ کھانے میں شریک کر لیتے ہیں
@@shatnermohanty6678 my name is Abbas it's also Arabic name but I'm a pakhtun and a Marxist politically as well as a practicing Muslim I know you are saying it in good fun but just wanted to put my 2 cents Respect
Hindus cant be extresmist . india is secular not because written in preamble of constitution but because of Hindus being in majority . example:Lebanon was christian .majority but when they give Muslims right to participate in politics as per population for central and local representation ,now you can see Lebanon is islamic nation and no rights for minorities
Who are these people searching for true Istam? The people searching for lost glory of Ottomans, Mughsls etc? Are they from the subcontinent? How could you lump them all into those believing in black magic etc? Very loose and irresponsible narrative. Just using a fake accent, some jargon, and some pitifully apologetic giggles in between dismisses any potential to consider you as a scholar. Go home
@rishi4248 Well an inquiry report said something else. But it is very telling that even if it's true of what you say. You are justify people breaking the law, why have police and courts...sure just go around burning and killing people of the other community regardless. Shows truly the RSS mindset
Ideally speaking modernity should reduce the strength of religion in a society. Problem is modernity never came alone it came hand in gloves with colonialism. As a result in popular perception they aren't adequately distinguished. And hence we are still trying to prove our religions are the best, they are not even religion but ways of life, they are compatible with quantum physics and what not. Or we are trying to say "western science" is yet to understand the kernel of truth our ancient religions have! This distrust of reason comes out of our experience of colonialism which makes us resort of religious revivalism for comfort. Thus now Asia is broadly divided into two kinds of countries. One in East Asia where they have marched on leveraging science and education and the other which is constantly confused about their religious identity and their place in the contemporary world.
Babasaheb Ambedkar's views on Islam and Muslims: Ambedkar was highly critical of Islam and saw it as a divisive religion that segregated people into rigid groups of Muslims and non-Muslims. He believed that the allegiance of a Muslim does not rest on his domicile in the country, but on the faith to which he belongs. Ambedkar said "Wherever there is the rule of Islam, there is his own country. In other words, Islam can never allow a true Muslim to adopt India as his motherland and regard a Hindu as his kith and kin." Ambedkar also argued that Islam has a clear caste system, with Ashraf (descendants of Islamic invaders or upper caste converted Hindus) at the top, followed by Ajlaf (lower caste Muslim converts), and Arzal (the untouchables of Muslim society) at the bottom. He noted that like in Hinduism, these castes in Muslim society do not have inter-dining or inter-marriage. Ambedkar was concerned that if Dalits converted to Islam, their nationalist feelings would be destroyed and the danger of Muslim domination would become real. He rejected offers to convert to Islam, as he did not want India to be divided like Pakistan and Bangladesh. Overall, Ambedkar was highly critical of the divisive and hierarchical nature of Islam, and saw it as incompatible with the idea of a united, egalitarian India.
Wow 👏 Shehzad Bhai , another feather 🪶 in your cap ! Excellent articulation of your thoughts with Guest's scholarship, , he looked more like Shehzad's shaagird rather than an independent writer and professor 😂! In our BarreaSageer, there was a Shenshah, Akabar known as " Din E Elahi " ( not related to Parvez Elahi) ......after another 2 - 300 years when someone will strike at TPE episodes in archives of TH-cam, researchers would describe Shehzad as " Soch E Elahi " of his times 😂😂😂 Lighter things apart it was a very thought provoking episode, as I grew up as a Hindu , always in proximity to to Muslim community I understand the different trajectories these two communities took as far as so called progress and modernity is concerned.
Is this urdu podcast or english. I get it you guys are speaking well English but please speak it in urdu, many pakistanies dont have any idea what the hell you arw talking about. Sorry for my bad English.
بستر ، بستر اور بستر ہی بستر۔ آدمُ نوں سجدہ نہیں کیتا اللہ نے آکھیا کر آیتھوں گول بستر تیریان ساریاں عبادتوں ضبط ہویاں چپے چپے تے بیٹھا رہین پھروں بستر ایپوہ ہی بستر تیری تقدیر بنیا دوزخ وچ وی ہوسی تیرے کول بستر شیطان آدمُ توں چڑھ کےمینوں کڈیا ای لگا جاواں گا میں لچھے مار بستر بدلے لواں گا میں آدم دی اولاد کولوں کراں گا میں بھی اپنے تیار بستر چپے چپے تے گلی بازار بستر نہیں کلا جاونا میں وی وچ دوزخ میرے نال ہوسی بے شمار بستر
The Hinduism as a matter of fact was no religion. Its derived from.the Arabic word Hind which later became Hindostan. Hindus were the inhabitants of Hind. The actual religion of india was called some thing else( I forgot the actual word for it). Even the term Hidutwa is derivative of same root Hind. The original books of religion like Veds ( four ) Gita or Monosmrati etc when these were not corrupted indicate that it was a monothiestic religion Initially. Their followers believed in one diety with three attributes. The sign or insignia of TRISHOL in fact indicates the same philospophy of one God ( the single handle of trishol) with three prongs or attributes that is the Creator , the Sustainer and the Destroyer. This sign was introduced by some Prophet or monk when religion was corrupted and people started beliving in many Gods that is a separate Dieties each for Creation, Sustinence and Destroyer or Killer as is the case with Hindus today. So the prophets were sent by God to apply corrections where Unity or Oneness of God was amalgamated with demi gods and godesses. Basically all religions originate from.same single source ie Allah Almighty who created the Universe from nothingness, He alone is sustaining the universe. He alone created the seven heavens and the earth.This is precisely the reason that natural signs or glaxial bodies like the Sun, the Moon , the Skies, the planetary glaxies and stars all are functioning in perfect unison order as ordained by God. The Qur'an states if there were more than one God, there would emerge difference each one pulling towards his own side and as such there will be no stability and continuity in the natural system. This is quite logical and the only path to bring unity among human beings who would live like one family on God's earth deriving their moral and legal authority from one source ie Allah Almighty which are defined and explained in almost all books of religion. If you study all monotheistic religions be it Islam, Christainity, Judaism or even Hinduism , from the original scriptures , you will find same common faith. The basic values and principals are almost similar in nature and substance. The scriptures were corrupted by their followers over a period of time to serve their personal ends which ultimately lead to divisive tendencies and emergence of different sects and communities which we are witnessing today. All Humen belong to one family and they all are children of God (not in littoral but general sence) and offsprings of one father ie Adam. So my dear ones the bottomline is to revert back to your original scriptures and you will find unity in faith that is believing One and the Only God, that is Allah Almighty. This is the only route to Eternity. This thing is becoming more clear now with globalization and wide spread education energising our thought process for indepenendent and logical thinking. May Allah SWT guide us all to straight path.
But my question to this host-guest duo is that with this intrepritation of your "biddat", the day's accepted human-rights' code of forbidding the flesh trade and keeping someone as sex-slave (malkul-yamin) and selling that slave lady in human-bazar etc are accepted in the Qur'anic order.......... Not to forget here that Qur'an itself favours this concept of sex-slave (Q. 23.5-6; 70.29-30)..... alongwith that Islam's r@s00l himself not only kept and used sex slaves but he also traded them after "using" them till he wanted to.
Mumtaz Qadri ko phansi deney k peechay Establishment ka ek hi maqsad tha and they achieved it very well, punjab main ek new force banai jaye jo uss waqt nawaz shareef ka vote bank tor sakay, jo k tehreek e labaik nay tora bhi imran khan ko bhi devta bana k project kiya gaya lekin phir Noon league jeet gai thi RTS bitha ker 2017 - 18 k election rig kiye gaye or imran khan ko govt di gai... phir uss waqt ki establishment nay minus Nawaz continue kiya jo 2014 k dharnay se shuru hogaya tha finally it happend in 2024 lekin pakistan economy minus hogai...
Shahzad Bhai maza ni aaya. The guest is either confused or not articulate in his thoughts and ideas. The podcasts of Zahid Sb, Ishrat Sb and Rafiullah were so enlightening. They were so clear and articulate in their thoughts even I disagree with few of their views but they had clear opinions. This topic was important to me but I could not get what I expected.
there r so many things he got wrong!(those r objective and 2-3 r subjective ) i felt there were somethings he said which u understood wrong and some which he didn't say openly ,in straight words due to fear from society or something.
Usually, the guests on this podcast are a lot more articulate and seem to be quite sure of their own views and opinions but not this guy. Probably teaches in some community college in amreeka.
Neither of them can phatom the complexity that is India ,not having lived in a truly plural society. Wish they wud stop commenting on India . India is way way way beyond the understanding of any Pakistani
Poray Pakistan me jitni azadi se deobandi maslak walay tableegh krte hen itni azadi kisi ko nhi. Yahi waja he k un tadad bhi barh rahi he aur political military aur har tarah ki power me deobandi maslak ziada nazar ati he.
Few moments ago i checked Indian GDP per capita was about $2,500 which is what like 130th or 140th somethin in the world. Ye jo nasha kar rahay hain ye chahiye. Kyun kay in ko bohat maja aa raha hai.
Hindutva is a complex ideology and is misunderstood by oversimplification, Islam seems to be a simple philosophy which is misunderstood by making it complex
No..
the simple-mindedness of this "summation" is basically the problem of the subcontinent in the postcolonial scenario. never can people, it seems, allow the daggers to remain sheathed in the interests of actually learning about the other. which means not just listening, but listening twice, and then some. these are vast and ancient traditions - how can you ever be comfortable "learning" about them from politicians' rhetoric or jingoistic propaganda or the ideological academe that holds up the West as somehow the nec plus ultra of human cultural and scholarly achievement?
Then why cast system among muslim.liar Islam also racism like Hinduism
What a load of BS seriously. The founder of Hindutva ideology was a staunch atheist who also worked towards eradication of caste system.
Seems like the only thing this guy has read about indian politics are tweets from 19yo indians who've just discovered karl marx.🤣
Dalits don't consider themselves Hindu?..Please for gods sake, ask such questions to actual Dalits from India instead of these "experts"
Have you forgotten what Baba Saab Ambedkar said about Hinduism?
@@fsckool6894 Its as insulting to suggest Ambedkar spokenfor all dalits as it to say Modi speaks for all Hindus or Molvis speak for all Muslims
Exactly.
Native Indians are 10,000% Hindus and even Environment friendly people.
Why the hell are the Media and Politicians born to divide ?
@@junaid_2107 BR Ambedkar does speak for dalits, he's the reason they have whatever little they have today.
@@fsckool6894 Not denying his contribution but most polls on Dalits show they consider themselves Hindu only.
On the question of Hindutva, the professor seems to have definitive answers, but on religious populism, PTI, and Imran Khan, he flickered, highlighting his double standards and hypocrisy.
Well actually in a way you are diminishing the strength of Hindutva by comparing the political populism of Imran Khan to it. A movement which is over a century old and has made in roads in many segments of society, especially the powerful ones, so it's a very potent influence.
Of course, many would argue that Hindutva is a totalitarian movement that has blood on its hands, and theirin lies its dangers... btw, first and foremost, for India itself
This hypocrisy is on both sides of the Radcliffe line.
@azarkamal4477 Yeah, but my comment is specifically on the guest in the video.
You are comparing a movement which started in 1920s witha vasy cadre to the populism of IK.. surely there is a difference in orders of magnitude... also in the danger it represents
@@azarkamal4477 No there isnt - Both Hindutva and Islamic Republic of Pakistan are cancers to society and both are Fascist movements with the end goal of purfying their land and elimination all impurities..Indian professors and experts don't hesitate like this guy.
Interestingly over 90 % population of HIndu is either ST/SC or OBC. Upper cast is just less than 10% . So Whole Hinduism stand tall because of ST/Sc and OBC. They are so much committed for Hindu Dharma . And We are Proud of them.
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Shahzad trying too hard to shift the blame for solidification of Muslim Identity in the sub continent and the Muslim consciousness as NOT HINDU on the British Colonial Master 😅
While Clergymen since before the time of Barani had been hell bent at demonizing the Hindu Practises and the Hindus, the Sufis had been hand in glove with the Muslim Ruling dispensation of the Middle Ages in co ersing the Hindus to convert and much of the Muslim Clergy, Nobility and Ruling Housea had time and again used War and Taxation as means for propagation and spread of Islam.
The issue is complete HATRED and INTOLERANCE of Idol Worship and Polytheism in ISLAM.
THE BRITISH WERE ONLY EXPLOITING WHAT HAS BEEN PRE ORDAINED IN ISLAM FOR BRITISH INTERESTS.
BRITISH DIDNT GIVE ISLAM TO THE HUMANITY AND THE WORLD.
Shift the blame? Who does the blame fall onto that I am trying to shift from?
British colonial project hee tha
@@ThePakistanExperienceShifting the blame from the Barani, Sheikh Ahmed Sirhindi, SHAH Waliullah and ilk on the British.
British were only exploiting what the Clergy had been trying, quite successfully, in Indian Subcontinent for almost a Millenia.
One major cause of conversion of Hindus(btw not only to Islam) was the caste system. Looking into that would require introspection... so much to shifting blame...
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s Exactly WHY RAJPUTS and other LANDOWNING 'JAJMAN' Status Castes had converted to Islam and the Jatavs of West UP, to almost a man, had STAYED HINDU UNTIL FALLING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF NEO BUDDHISM BEGINNING LATE 1950s 👎🏻
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s sorry there was no other major conversion of hindu other then the islamic one...
So your caste game will not be played here ..
I am dalit... And can't let jihadi talk about me atleast....
Tu kya bolega bkl tu to khud dusro ka haq kha raha hai reservation k zariye.
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@@Journo5810 life me nahi khaya.. Na khaunga.. Na meko reservation chahiye.. Isliye kabhi govt job ka form fill nahi kiya
@@amit9023according to you jo reservation le rahe hai wo haq kha rahe hai
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I m a Dalit n a proud Hindu. Keep your Delusions to yourself. BTW are Shia Real Muslims or the Sunnis or the Ahmadiyas?? Who is a Real Muslim??
The pak army
Their chief should be made the leader of the caliphate 😂😂😂😂
Arey pagal dalit schedule caste Hindus ke liye ek term hai.... Woh koi ek separate community nhi hai.... Me bhi schedule caste hu... Or 90% hindutva people are of schedule caste like me....
Including balasaheb thakre and modi
Balasaheb Thackeray was of Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhu caste, which is an upper caste.
Modi is of modh-ghanchi caste i.e. bania caste which has been categorized as Other Backward Caste due to educational or economic reasons.
Kuch bhi chutiye jaisa pelne ka nahi anonymous account hai toh
Bal Thackeray was of Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhu caste which is an upper caste.
Narendra Modi is of Modh-Ghanchi caste i.e. bania caste which is categorized as an Other Backward Caste by the Government of India based on educational and economic reasons.
Stop waffling about stuff that you are clueless about.
@@Zaldrize-zr6gh first don't give reason on why Modi's caste is backward..... You don't give these reasons when it comes to so-called Dalits that they are economically backward or whatever that's why they are of backward caste
.... And now let's come to balasaheb thakre..... Go and watch your dhruv Rathee father's video on udhav thakre goverment collapse... There he said balasaheb thakre father was lower caste person....
Go and blame your father's misinformation factory not me..
This was a snooze fest 😅
Dalits are NOT Hindus
About the whole hindutva thing, how about we refrain from talking about things we don’t understand? Or is every Pakistani like their generals expert on everything???
Club of retired Generals of Pakistan Army. Generals are always right. Sorry I forgot to say High prestige cricket players. Imzamamul Haq and Mohammad yousaf alongwith Mustaq the spin bowler. It is power without doing anything.
@lordanubysh Yes you are right, also "experts" like Abhijit Iyer Mitra, Abhijit Chavda, Gaurav Arya etc should not talk about Islam or Muslims or even Pakistani society, they are also as ignorant as these people are on Indian society...and Im not a Pakistani btw
@@junaid_2107 And this is where the BJP IT Cell will go silent and not respond, as soon as you show them that they do exactly the same thing.
Heck, just look at the World Press Freedom rankings, India comes in at 162 despite being a democracy; in comparison Pakistan is atleast better at 150 despite being a deep-state run country.
@@junaid_2107by way of thinking you definitely are a Pakistani.
@@junaid_2107 well !they actually r expert on some of the topics u mentioned.
Blame the creation of Islam also on colonialism 4:45
They are cowards. Never wanting to face the truth
No wonder the whole world is irritated at these guys.
The state of Pakistan, the mullahs, medical doctors,scientists, nutritionists, dental surgeons, Waderas, aristocrats, mazar based peers have let the people of Pakistan down. They are living in dolorble conditions.
Hindutva or Hinduism... is NOT to "Purify" anything. Its a cultural movement to bring justice to the value system of the land, culture and history.
Does it break the caste system then? Just trynna learn
@@zainabtahir8502 Of course it does break the caste system. If you read RSS original documents, they don't subscribe to caste system, in fact actively promote removal of caste barrier.
@@zainabtahir8502 Savarkar the father of Hindutva organised intercaste dining and marriage . In his book Essentials of Hindutva where he gave the theory and definition of Hindutva he wrote strongly against Casteism and religious superstition.
Swami Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar one of the earliest reformers himself married a widow to set an example among the conservatives of that time
@@zainabtahir8502 I hate Sunnitva which hates Shia,ahmedia,qureshi,ansaris
@@zainabtahir8502 I am againts Sunnism which oppresses shia,ahmedia,ansari,qureshi😡😡
Sunnitva or Sunnism should go...
We support shia and Ahmedia
We
A surprisingly thoughtful session for the Pakistani Experience
At the beginning I was expecting hypocrisy and lies , at the end once again they fulfill my expectations. Thanks for the entertainment.
The professor is right about Hindutva's attitude towards Islam but he isnt well aware about Hindutva's attitude towards Dalits. Hindutva and more generally modern Hinduism major project has been to incorporate Dalits into mainstream Hinduism. Of course this project hasn't been easy fighting ancient bigotry but things have improved significantly and there are clear signs it will improve more in the coming decades.
Because Dalits are the only way they will make up the numbers.
However, most Dalits know that after Muslims, they will be next. This is what happens always.
@@muddi900 "First they came for x, then they came for y, then they for us" etc these are tropes. Reallity is not always as simplistic like that. Yes it is about numbers. In electoral politics everything is about numbers in the end. But if you take a broader historical perspective you will see Hindu society whether conservative, liberal or progressive have all tried to incorporate and address the dalit issue. This is one area where there isn't a massive difference in their wish for righting the historical wrongs. Of course everyone frame it differently. Conservative will try to avoid the blame, progressives will blame conservatives, liberals will say forget the past let's look ahead. But everyone acknowledges the issue and real, genuine progress has been made. Of course there is much more to be done. But societal issues are a mess. It's not so easy to undo all the socio-economic biases very quickly. Nevertheless it's one area to be hopeful about.
@@muddi900hindutva is a movement of survival. As India is the only major country of Hindu culture.. it’s not against anybody. Islam has 60 days to thrive.We integrate Indian Muslims as most were converted sons and RSS constitution does not even mention any thing about Islam and it speaks about land boundaries based Hindu identity. No one is superior in this new definition of hindutva. RSS has Muslim and Christian’s wings as well.. I think paxis have to learn to understand about democracy and economy from India.. not about hindutva .
@@nil0355 Only one naive here is you bhai. Because you genuinely believe this.
To think that Hindutva is not a threat to Muslims (& Christians) is being blind. At the same time to think that Hindutva has worsened situation for Dalits or other backward caste groups or threatens to do so is prejudice.
Wah bhai wah like maza hi agea seriously, never thought ill get to listen for what ears were desperate to listen from long . .listening to this guest was like more exciting then any 'سماع' (sufi poetry).
Reason being that this great man realize n acknowledge the limitation of his research n knowledge. He is masha Allah pure academic person, practically understands the subject of research methodology, have very fine understanding of epistemological concepts which stops him from being blunt, it is no lie that he is maybe the first person I have listened to with this quality, unlike our local n internationaI speakers today who are masters of all jacks, n would respond to every question bluntly.
If Im not wrong it was imam malik ra(one of four famous islamic jurists) who was asked around forty questions on islamic jurisprudence in haram(sacred place for muslims), he answered more or less 10-15 questions n for around 25 questions his answer was 'لا ادری' meaning I dont know, books have been written titled 'لا ادری' in arabic literature containing the stories of wise n intellectual people replying with 'لا ادری' to very simple nature of questions. Wise people have said 'لا ادری' is a half knowledge.
This is the trait speakers, intellectuals, academians and the people of this planet earth as a whole have missed; self-acknowledgment for the limitation of what we know.
And the bitter truth is that even the public is less attracted towards such honest people, they are more inclined towards irresponsible n blunt people like engr. mirza Ali n Sahil Adeem, who are there to answer your all questions n wont even accept if proven wrong.
I have spent time in tablighi jamaat n I may not agree with all his research findings n results but this guy is gem for the reason I mentioned. Masha Allah far away from exaggeration.
Also the hosts should educate people that everyone is not literate enough to comment on everything, rather than being influenced by this phenomena n structuring your questions that way. Hosts make their guests believe that they are wise enough to comment on everything, n guests also start believing n acting that way except for few people like this associate prof from uni of Tennessee❤❤❤
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Can we have jammat e ahmadiya’s representative on the show?
Nope.
Of course even Jewish and Christian can a representation on the show.
Yes
1:36:15 ' this is so true, Deobandi scholars in Dar ul Uloom Deoband are way different from the ones in Punjab, and even more different from the ones in Afghanistan, even the ones in Punjab and Karachi are quite different. Most of the movements in Pakistan are actually movements that have origins in UP, Deoband, Nizamuddin Markaz, Bareily, AhleHadees, and even the Pakistan movement itself (Aligarh)'
I found the talk interesting and the first time I heard about Tabligi Jamaat in India was a rather negative report that they were refusing to maintain social distancing strictly imposed by the Indian govt in early 2020 onset of Covid pandemic around Nizamuddin area of Dilli. Of course immediately they were dubbed as superspreaders by some mainstream and social media. Also the speaker did not mention Shah Waliullah and his followers who had some role in anti colonial struggle in 1840s and 50s. That would have been a bonus.
He is so wrong on Hindutava.
Bro if these are your intellectual than better call Tabliqi Jamat guy for podcast.
Bhaaya Excellent 👍
Variety of content at TPE,
Attracting different Audiences 👍. Will watch this as well...
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Wished the guest had enlighten more on the hierarchies with in the tableghi jamaat and their modus operandi like if we are talking about a city tableeghi Jamat would have a number of masjids and imams, the topic of jummah khutba are decided mutually, for every muhalla or colony there is a an Ameer/responsible then there are weekly meeting called mashwaras and on each alternative day of the week they do "gasht" mostly in the evenings where they often go door or door or preach in public places, then often on different masjids members go and after the namaz they quickly get and preach in a way that any person would feel bad to walk out even if they want to, lot more things i find tableeghi jamaat rituals very thoughtful and properly managed..
It is obvious the person does not know much about tableeghi jammat.
Never he mentioned proper hiierarchy and said tbey dont call it ameer anymore. Lol ?
Plus never mentioned the 6 points book of tableegh.
Wrong number after dr sahil adeem he seems.
(Less / ill informed)
😅😂one side story bata ke kya samjh rahe hai apne aap ko
2 minute mai 2 ghante ki podcast dekh li?
He has gone into the podcast portal sahil adeem vibes are still hovering around your setup Sheik Saab
@@ThePakistanExperiencelol you have weaponised Witty remarks vis-à-vis liberal rational discussions Sheikh Saab just saying on a lighter note😂
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@@ThePakistanExperience when u don't answer the question.......make excuses.....that what Pakistani does......how liberals u are....reflects on your hate towards Hindu & abusing on another term hindutva......bullshit
Do a podcast with abhijit iyer mitra
Pakistanio ko hindutva kya hai ye samaz hi nahi aata 🤦♂️
Why tf are so many comments about hindutwa under this vid?!!!?
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Tableegi jamat was Reaction to Shuddhi movement of Arya samaj under dayanand Saraswati which was concentrated in NW india.
As the Muslim converts in NW india , i.e. Pakistan Punjab sindh and Indian Punjab harayan Delhi and part of west UP , they use to follow all the htier cultural Practises derived from their Ancestors who were Hindu. So all the "HINDUANAA rasm-o-riwaaz" was alive in their Lifestyle. Which still is alive in Most muslims of India and even Pakistan.
Dayanand Arya Samaj was a REVIVALIST REFORM Movement in Hinduism. It tried to eliminated worst features of Hindu religion like Caste , untouchability , Idol worship like superstition etc and Said "BACK TO THE VEDAS". As vedas were written during Tribal Phase of hindus so it contains Egalitarian Principles like most tribal societies. So They used vedas and Rejected all other later Hindu texts like Puranas which contains various deformities of Hindu societies when India Progressed into a Proper civilisation with Urbanisation and complex society.
So Arya samaj followers pushed Shuddhi even to the Convert Moslems in NW , as most of the lifestyle of these Converts was same as their ancsestors so , only work was to end the defromity of Hindu religion and Return them back to hindu fold.
So massive Ghar wapsi or shuddhi started,
The Deobandis suddenly got Spooked up. They launched massive Tabhleegi campaign , whose focus was to end all the Hindu cultural Traits from life of a Convert moslem , Try to Arabise him to level of deobandis . It was focused on barelvis. The ocnept of Chilla itself was derived from Hindus who have the concept of leaving the material world and go to forest and mountains to search for sprituality and later dedicate the lifestyle for Hindu religion and people.
So Tabhleegi jamaat was nothing but antithesis to Shuddhi movement
Shudhi Movement WAS AN 'INNOVATION', MUCH NEEDED THOUGH TOO LITTLE TOO LATE, brought by a Sect which had moved out from IDOL Worship traditions within Hinduism.
Different Sects under the Hindu Umbrella had BEEN PROSELYTISING UNTIL THE OSSIFICATION in Hindu Society sometime around the turn of the last Millenium.
SHUDDHI MOVEMENT BOTH SHOWED AND LED THE WAY IN BRINGING PEOPLE WHO HAD FALLEN PREY TO BOTH CO ERSIVE AND VIOLENT PROSELYTISING TRADITION OF THE SUFIS, CLERGY AND MUSLIM NOBILITY IN THE MIDDLE AGES.
Where Shuddhi Movement fell short was NOT 'WINNING' ENOUGH RE CONVERSIONS AMONGST PRIMARILY LANDOWING MUSLIM COMMUNITY, THE MUSLIM RAJPUTS AND JATTS TO THE ARYA SAMAJ.
Any 'movement' to RE CONVERT Muslims MUST FOCUS ON THE TRADITIONAL LAND OWNING CASTES OR 'BIRADARIS' AND THE 'KAMMI' COMMUNITIES DEPENDENT ON THE LAND OWNING ONES.
Arre sir, yaha kaha likh rahe ho free mai, padao ye ias ka bhooth sar pe rkhne wale chutiyon ko
Your knowledge of subject is quite upto the mark but with two mistakes.
. Vedas can't be called as Tribal times of Hinduism as they ( perticularly Upanishads) where written in times of agricultural civilization . However Puranas where written much later than Vedas even in middle ages . So vedas can be called as creation of great civilization. But puranas can be called as creation of great civilization at its lowest .
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@@adityaji2001 well whatever vedas describe abt the society, system of governance , the varna system which had mobility and not based on birth, the technology etc all clearly conclude that it was a nomadic society during rigveda and almost become rural settled society by completion of atharva veda. The focus on various Gods and rivers also change as we move from rigveda to atharva veda. Upanishads weren't written during vedic age, but during Later Vedic age , 800 BCE to 200BCE . The timeline for composing the 3 veda itself is about in aprox thousand of years from 1500BCE to 500 BCE.
I m saying this with whatever historians have able to deduce frm the vedic text as till now they haven't able to found or excavate any major vedic era habitation etc.
I won't call it civilisation. It didn't even had coin as currency . But number of cow was used as show of wealth and status.
First coin was started in 500 BCE during Buddhist era or era of mahajanpada which was Proper civilisation.
Purana were compiled during Gupta era and are full of bogus stories mixed with some history of ancient India.
Upanishads r treasure trove of indian Philosophy
@@hotfun07 well shuddhi movement failed badly i wud say. But arya samaj contributions are very important for hindu society. They do brought some rationality to Hindus of NW india
The Tablighi Jamaat is an Islamic revivalist movement that spread globally, including to Pakistan. Some key points about the Tablighi Jamaat in Pakistan:
The Tablighi Jamaat has close ties with the Pakistani military and ISI intelligence services, who have used the group to recruit members for militant activities and support the military's regional strategy.
The group's headquarters in Pakistan, located in Raiwind, is seen as a hub where Tablighi members are approached by extremists and recruited for militant training.
However, the Tablighi Jamaat's leadership in Pakistan also faces challenges from more radical Islamist factions, leading to infighting and violent clashes between rival Tablighi groups.
The Pakistani military has encouraged the Tablighi Jamaat in Pakistan to be independent from the group's global Tablighi centres, as the military seeks to maintain control over Islamist and terrorist organizations.
Overall, the Tablighi Jamaat in Pakistan has a complex relationship with the military and religious extremism, serving as both a recruiter for militant activities as well as a target of attacks by jihadist groups outside the military's control.
You need to spend time with them. You are illiterate in your understanding, like the other fake intellectuals
Btw, Shahzad Bhai,
We consider you a sane mind from across the border and understand we may have disagreements or any of us could be ignorant about few or many things which can be understood and debated together.
All the best ✌🏻👍🏻
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why is nobody talking about the fact that this guy, though claiming to be left leaning, is presenting equal criticism of leftists the way he is doing with the Right wing people.
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43:23 none of this are aware of Varna system and all this people gather their knowledge from The Wire , The Print , The quint or from darbari historians like ramchandra guha who all come from Romila thappar school of thoughts who was among the first Nehru family Darbari historians .. im myself an OBC i have never seen discrimination from any so called Upper Cast what this people calls Brahminism ... rather if one belongs to SC or ST cast they get more privilege in education system and in government sector , they also get reservation in institutes like IITS were as some one like sundar pichai who is TAM Brahmin have to earn it on his own merits ...
Hindu revivalism is just a reaction to Muslim fundamentalism. We have already gone through partition. I'm a Kashmiri pandit who was hounded out of my home. I am a rationalist but approve of revivalism as a defence mechanism. I don't want our generations to suffer. I know that religion should not be mixed with politics, but I have faith in my religion which is fundamentally secular. It will self correct itself if it crosses the ethical or moral line.
Both Deoband and Barelli are in India. 😅😅 but this Tabliq Jamat is banned in Saudi, UAE.
Lol saudi arabia is now participating in miss universe for income now the dictator rulers of arab states are trying to make muslims atheist to make them do such anti religion things only for income which goes to arab rulers mostly so they banned tableeghi jamat to make people atheist only for their income
@@user-ghtvkisswc34560O I have read the Saudi government newspaper, and they reported the news, not Ajtak ( btw no sane person in India read ajtak for international news, they will refer Wion, Indian Express, Quint, Scroll, Firstpost etc). 😂😂 now, please don't tell me the Saudi government news outlet is also Indian media. And I haven't mentioned UAE. Why do you include totally different countries? Just because you don't know actual news. 🤭🤭
Lol both Saudi arab and UAE want their population to go away from religion so they can do business in restricted fields like selling alcohol,music concerts that is why they banned Tablighi jamat because Tablighi jamat will encourage not to drink alcohol and go in music concerts
Shahzad please find some short cut to this interview. People are getting fed up.
RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT. An important topic with a fitting guest. Subscribed hai aapka channel janaab
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@@ThePakistanExperience brother I like the way u present your work......but tell me one thing.......why its always Muslim who have problem......Muslims in India....Muslims in Israel.....Muslim in Europe....Muslim in america......why not other religion.......there must be something wrong with the Islam.....or quran
After a very long time one of your podcast has bored me even though i listen to it at 2x. Choose your topics well, they represent you.
Title mein typo hogya bhai. Religion ki spelling galat hogyi.
Khair hai Matti pao Sarkar Sheikh Saab ache aadmi hain un ko benefit of doubt de Sir 😊😊
An excellent conversation and the good professor has a good grasp on his subject.
I wish his book was a bit cheaper $$$.
Having said that I as an Indian living in India would like to strongly disagree w/the good professor on his take on Hindutva & it's so called revival.
I see no signs of any revival but after having been the step child of the state and the system.
The otherisation that the professor is talking about is a response of Hindus towards repeated attempts by the Muslim minority to punch above their weight.
This is not felt by Hindus alone but is also by Christians in the South.
It would be extraordinary to expect that after so long and so much anyone would keep on turning the other cheek.
Now that the other cheek is not being presented and the raised hand is being stopped the Islamics are crying blue murder.
Happens. When someone pushes everyone around this response is bound to come sooner or later & that is what you see.
bhai India mai jo vloger book pe discuss karne ke liye guest bulate hai woh pehle puri book padh lete hai and then only they discuss it. its also insulting for guest that you read only the first chapter. bhai pakistan me padhne ka rivaj nahi hai? you looks like a well read person and here you never read the full book before inviting guests..
its disappointing.
also plz dont discuss hinduism or hindutva because you guys dont know the damn about it.
Savarkar was a straunch ethist and wanted to erredict the cast in the first place.90% of india either obc or schedule cast or schedule tribes.
Modi is obc himself.
Bhai mai insaan hoon 3 guests thay if haftay teeno ki books theen
I don’t pretend, jitna parhta hoon utna bata deta hoon
Great watch Important issues I am hoping for a great discussion
Shahzad Bhai aaik kaam karain sirf Indians aour indian economy kay baray main baat kia karain. Har waqt yehi bataya karain kay india kitna mahaan hai Indian economy America say agay nikal gai hai etc etc. Bharat Bharat kia karain. Tareef hi Tareef ho gi. World's #1 Intellectual ka award diya jai ga.
The moment aap Islam ki baat kar lain, muslims ki baat kar lain, pakistan ki baat kar lain to tab hi 180 degree ka switch paray ga.
22:22 We have the same cups at home. 😂
they don't even know that savarkar was against casteism 😂 read 7 shackles ,
i know reading isn't popular in Pakistan but atleast don't excrete without knowing the topic
No problem we have the toilets to "excrete" in but its good you guys are " SO SO EDUCATED AND WISE" because you really donot have any toilets to piss in.
Free Palestine.
I have a solution for solving all Pakistan problems
1. Start doing namaz 15 times a day.
2. Get 100% sharia law
3. Only get your children educated in madrasa, all other type of education should be banned.
4. Every body should start doing quran hifz atlest 30 to 50 verses.
5. Start 100% Islamic Banking in Pakistan.
6. Traveling to non Islamic countries should be banned, no need to have any relation with kuffar
Follow all above rules and then lets see who stops Pakistan progress
𝐀𝐋𝐋𝐀𝐇𝐔 𝐀𝐊𝐁𝐀𝐑!
Typical ex who cant move on 🤦♂
@@positiveenergy2751 Now why would any one have problem with my above suggestions, all are Islam compliant right… you must be surely an islamophob…
@@positiveenergy2751 Now why would any one have problem with my above suggestions, all are Islam compliant right… you must be surely an islamophob…
@@positiveenergy2751 Now why would any one have problem with my above suggestions, all are Islam compliant right… you must be surely an islamophob…
@@positiveenergy2751 Now why would any one have problem with my above suggestions, all are |sl@m compliant right… you must be surely an |$lamophob…
Much needed. jee o jatta
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As Indian, I can see that all Pakistanis talk about is Islam, Islam, Islam + few other things...
Yaar get over it. Work, live, chill
منظم طریقے سے ایجنسیاں ان مذہبی جماعتوں اور تنظیموں کو بناتی آرہی ہےاور انکو استعمال کرتی آرہی ہے جن کو سسٹم کی سپورٹ حاصل ہوتی ہے۔ اس میں مسلمانوں کی جہالت سے بھرپور فائدہ اٹھایا جاتا ہے۔
تبلیغی جماعت کا وجود ایشیا کی پیداوار اور فقہ حنفی کو پھیلانے کے لئے استعمال کرتے ہے۔
بھاٸ آج کل کی مذہبی جماعتیں کو ایجنسیاں بناتی ہوں گی لیکن اگر تبلیغی جماعت ہوتی تو وہ ایسی جماعت نہ ہوتی جو ہندوٶں کو بھی ساتھ کھانے میں شریک کر لیتے ہیں
تبلیغی کسی ایجنسی کی پیداوار نہیں
Sab british ki galti hai . 75 saal se kuch nahi kiya vo problem nahi hai 😂
Watching it right away thanks sheikh saab
Yeh " Sheikh Saab " thoda Arabian lagta hai 😂
Apan ko " Shehzad Bhai " better lagta hai 😆
@@shatnermohanty6678 my name is Abbas it's also Arabic name but I'm a pakhtun and a Marxist politically as well as a practicing Muslim I know you are saying it in good fun but just wanted to put my 2 cents Respect
@@Drabbaskhan526 👍
Arsalan bhi ka man nahi tha baat karna ka. Ya zabardasti wali bat lag rahi ha
Seems like professor is clueless on Hinduism
Hindus cant be extresmist . india is secular not because written in preamble of constitution but because of Hindus being in majority . example:Lebanon was christian .majority but when they give Muslims right to participate in politics as per population for central and local representation ,now you can see Lebanon is islamic nation and no rights for minorities
And ofcourse Modi lives by the spirit of that constitution... as seen in the Gujrat riots 🤦🏻♂️
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s gujarat riots started after muslims burned train of devotee coming from ayodhya . first clears your knowledge .
Who are these people searching for true Istam? The people searching for lost glory of Ottomans, Mughsls etc? Are they from the subcontinent? How could you lump them all into those believing in black magic etc?
Very loose and irresponsible narrative. Just using a fake accent, some jargon, and some pitifully apologetic giggles in between dismisses any potential to consider you as a scholar. Go home
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s chuslims always see the chuslims death not the start which was by the chuslims after burning people alive in train
@rishi4248
Well an inquiry report said something else. But it is very telling that even if it's true of what you say. You are justify people breaking the law, why have police and courts...sure just go around burning and killing people of the other community regardless. Shows truly the RSS mindset
Ideally speaking modernity should reduce the strength of religion in a society. Problem is modernity never came alone it came hand in gloves with colonialism. As a result in popular perception they aren't adequately distinguished. And hence we are still trying to prove our religions are the best, they are not even religion but ways of life, they are compatible with quantum physics and what not. Or we are trying to say "western science" is yet to understand the kernel of truth our ancient religions have! This distrust of reason comes out of our experience of colonialism which makes us resort of religious revivalism for comfort. Thus now Asia is broadly divided into two kinds of countries. One in East Asia where they have marched on leveraging science and education and the other which is constantly confused about their religious identity and their place in the contemporary world.
Babasaheb Ambedkar's views on Islam and Muslims:
Ambedkar was highly critical of Islam and saw it as a divisive religion that segregated people into rigid groups of Muslims and non-Muslims. He believed that the allegiance of a Muslim does not rest on his domicile in the country, but on the faith to which he belongs. Ambedkar said "Wherever there is the rule of Islam, there is his own country. In other words, Islam can never allow a true Muslim to adopt India as his motherland and regard a Hindu as his kith and kin."
Ambedkar also argued that Islam has a clear caste system, with Ashraf (descendants of Islamic invaders or upper caste converted Hindus) at the top, followed by Ajlaf (lower caste Muslim converts), and Arzal (the untouchables of Muslim society) at the bottom. He noted that like in Hinduism, these castes in Muslim society do not have inter-dining or inter-marriage.
Ambedkar was concerned that if Dalits converted to Islam, their nationalist feelings would be destroyed and the danger of Muslim domination would become real. He rejected offers to convert to Islam, as he did not want India to be divided like Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Overall, Ambedkar was highly critical of the divisive and hierarchical nature of Islam, and saw it as incompatible with the idea of a united, egalitarian India.
Wow 👏 Shehzad Bhai , another feather 🪶 in your cap ! Excellent articulation of your thoughts with Guest's scholarship, , he looked more like Shehzad's shaagird rather than an independent writer and professor 😂!
In our BarreaSageer, there was a Shenshah, Akabar known as " Din E Elahi " ( not related to Parvez Elahi) ......after another 2 - 300 years when someone will strike at TPE episodes in archives of TH-cam, researchers would describe Shehzad as " Soch E Elahi " of his times 😂😂😂
Lighter things apart it was a very thought provoking episode, as I grew up as a Hindu , always in proximity to to Muslim community I understand the different trajectories these two communities took as far as so called progress and modernity is concerned.
Bas yeh 2 ghante aur and finally ill be caught up after a long ass time 😅🥲
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Kindly do the podcast on Qadiyaniat ….
We need to have a reconstruction of Islam thought through Ijtahad as suggested by Allama Iqbal
Is this urdu podcast or english. I get it you guys are speaking well English but please speak it in urdu, many pakistanies dont have any idea what the hell you arw talking about.
Sorry for my bad English.
Talk, talk , talk, just the vomiting of thoughts for sale, the guest seems to be in constipation while talking the whole podcast.
motu bhai meray es sawal ka jawab zaroor dena plzzzzz
بستر ، بستر اور بستر ہی بستر۔ آدمُ نوں سجدہ نہیں کیتا
اللہ نے آکھیا کر آیتھوں گول بستر
تیریان ساریاں عبادتوں ضبط ہویاں
چپے چپے تے بیٹھا رہین پھروں بستر
ایپوہ ہی بستر تیری تقدیر بنیا
دوزخ وچ وی ہوسی تیرے کول بستر
شیطان
آدمُ توں چڑھ کےمینوں کڈیا ای
لگا جاواں گا میں لچھے مار بستر
بدلے لواں گا میں آدم دی اولاد کولوں
کراں گا میں بھی اپنے تیار بستر
چپے چپے تے گلی بازار بستر
نہیں کلا جاونا میں وی وچ دوزخ
میرے نال ہوسی بے شمار بستر
The Hinduism as a matter of fact was no religion. Its derived from.the Arabic word Hind which later became Hindostan. Hindus were the inhabitants of Hind. The actual religion of india was called some thing else( I forgot the actual word for it). Even the term Hidutwa is derivative of same root Hind. The original books of religion like Veds ( four ) Gita or Monosmrati etc when these were not corrupted indicate that it was a monothiestic religion Initially. Their followers believed in one diety with three attributes. The sign or insignia of TRISHOL in fact indicates the same philospophy of one God ( the single handle of trishol) with three prongs or attributes that is the Creator , the Sustainer and the Destroyer. This sign was introduced by some Prophet or monk when religion was corrupted and people started beliving in many Gods that is a separate Dieties each for Creation, Sustinence and Destroyer or Killer as is the case with Hindus today. So the prophets were sent by God to apply corrections where Unity or Oneness of God was amalgamated with demi gods and godesses.
Basically all religions originate from.same single source ie Allah Almighty who created the Universe from nothingness, He alone is sustaining the universe. He alone created the seven heavens and the earth.This is precisely the reason that natural signs or glaxial bodies like the Sun, the Moon , the Skies, the planetary glaxies and stars all are functioning in perfect unison order as ordained by God. The Qur'an states if there were more than one God, there would emerge difference each one pulling towards his own side and as such there will be no stability and continuity in the natural system. This is quite logical and the only path to bring unity among human beings who would live like one family on God's earth deriving their moral and legal authority from one source ie Allah Almighty which are defined and explained in almost all books of religion. If you study all monotheistic religions be it Islam, Christainity, Judaism or even Hinduism , from the original scriptures , you will find same common faith. The basic values and principals are almost similar in nature and substance.
The scriptures were corrupted by their followers over a period of time to serve their personal ends which ultimately lead to divisive tendencies and emergence of different sects and communities which we are witnessing today.
All Humen belong to one family and they all are children of God (not in littoral but general sence) and offsprings of one father ie Adam.
So my dear ones the bottomline is to revert back to your original scriptures and you will find unity in faith that is believing One and the Only God, that is Allah Almighty. This is the only route to Eternity.
This thing is becoming more clear now with globalization and wide spread education energising our thought process for indepenendent and logical thinking. May Allah SWT guide us all to straight path.
But my question to this host-guest duo is that with this intrepritation of your "biddat", the day's accepted human-rights' code of forbidding the flesh trade and keeping someone as sex-slave (malkul-yamin) and selling that slave lady in human-bazar etc are accepted in the Qur'anic order..........
Not to forget here that Qur'an itself favours this concept of sex-slave (Q. 23.5-6; 70.29-30)..... alongwith that Islam's r@s00l himself not only kept and used sex slaves but he also traded them after "using" them till he wanted to.
Mumtaz Qadri ko phansi deney k peechay Establishment ka ek hi maqsad tha and they achieved it very well, punjab main ek new force banai jaye jo uss waqt nawaz shareef ka vote bank tor sakay, jo k tehreek e labaik nay tora bhi imran khan ko bhi devta bana k project kiya gaya lekin phir Noon league jeet gai thi RTS bitha ker 2017 - 18 k election rig kiye gaye or imran khan ko govt di gai... phir uss waqt ki establishment nay minus Nawaz continue kiya jo 2014 k dharnay se shuru hogaya tha finally it happend in 2024 lekin pakistan economy minus hogai...
I only wish there was a better guest!
Arslan bhai ne baatein to bahaut kari par marz ki jad nahi bata paye 😅
this tablegi jammat is a biddat has nothing to do with islam should be banned
Examples?
AT 44.00 ILLIUSTRATE..HIS BROAD BRUSHSTROKES UNDERSTANDING OF INDIAN POLTICS 4 ILLUSTRATING..IS THE POINT I FINISH...cont
A professor with very bad communication skill. He doesn’t have clear vision, idea or substance.
Interesting topic
Is it really interesting? He does not know whether he is coming or going.
51 mins in , and I’m lost, idk where this is going
He really looks like older peter from spiderverse 😂
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qaisar raja ko bulao maza aye ga
Haha as Iqbal said Lara do mamole ko shahbaz se
His voice resembles Sal Khan's of Khan Academy
Is he sitting willingly? Why is he so unconnected?
The host is more attractive and make scene.
Shahzad Bhai maza ni aaya. The guest is either confused or not articulate in his thoughts and ideas. The podcasts of Zahid Sb, Ishrat Sb and Rafiullah were so enlightening. They were so clear and articulate in their thoughts even I disagree with few of their views but they had clear opinions.
This topic was important to me but I could not get what I expected.
@45:30 we in India are talking about positive nationalism :)
th-cam.com/video/1KIEsGkpeXE/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Spelling of religion is wrong in the title.
Thanks for pointing it out
@@ThePakistanExperience 😉
@@ThePakistanExperience
Koi nhi brother
Pakistani ho chalta h
Man the way he indirectly hitting IK 😂
there r so many things he got wrong!(those r objective and 2-3 r subjective )
i felt there were somethings he said which u understood wrong and some which he didn't say openly ,in straight words due to fear from society or something.
MAY THE BALOCHIES GET THEIR FREEDOMS FROM PAK MILITARY DICTATORSHIP....
I am really fed up hearing this Americanised Bisterwala.
Wah g
Bjp ko vote kon karte dekha apne read all lower caste vote for uper caste karta lower caste voting percentage high
Bhai is bande ne kisi swaal ka seehda jawaab nai diya
Usually, the guests on this podcast are a lot more articulate and seem to be quite sure of their own views and opinions but not this guy. Probably teaches in some community college in amreeka.
Neither of them can phatom the complexity that is India ,not having lived in a truly plural society. Wish they wud stop commenting on India . India is way way way beyond the understanding of any Pakistani
Such a dull and boring episode this one?
Specific topic par hay so people who aren’t interested in the topic won’t like it, koi nahee boss agla Kuch fun kartay hain aap Kay liye
@@ThePakistanExperienceShehzad bhai even Sachin bhi har innings main century nahi maar sakta tha😂❤
@@ThePakistanExperience tumlog Islam me child r*pe ke baare kyun nhi baat karte....
@@ThePakistanExperience baar baar hindutva kyun late ho jb nhi pata.....Hindu+tattva = hindutva.
@@ThePakistanExperience konsa real messenger of God child r*pe aur s*xslavery Jo support krega...
Apne religion pe baat Karo..
Jb nhi pata to nhi bolo
You mispronounced "Arafat" again
It’s a problem
Poray Pakistan me jitni azadi se deobandi maslak walay tableegh krte hen itni azadi kisi ko nhi. Yahi waja he k un tadad bhi barh rahi he aur political military aur har tarah ki power me deobandi maslak ziada nazar ati he.
I wish he would have said whatever he wanted..
There is difference btw islam and Hinduism
Use opposite words in one sentence.
Ans: I was listening to “Pakistani intellectuals”.
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One more thing,
Those Muslims WHO GO GAGA OVER BARELVIS,
Please, read NAFRAT ke AHKAMAT 😅
And you shall know what Barelvis are ALL ABOUT.
Tjs roots werent in colonialism 🤦♂
Bhai aap blamsi kanoon pe video mei bura bolo
Few moments ago i checked Indian GDP per capita was about $2,500 which is what like 130th or 140th somethin in the world.
Ye jo nasha kar rahay hain ye chahiye. Kyun kay in ko bohat maja aa raha hai.