These shotshell rounds have been around for a very long time. My uncle used to fire shotshells at mice in his living room, while relaxing on the sofa watching TV.
Here in north east texas we have our share of wood bees. They bore holes in the structure of our barns and sheds. Eventually causing structural failure. As a youngster we would spend hours hunting these bees. These bees do a lot of hovering wich makes them pretty easy targets. But hitting one on the fly is tricky. We used the old crimped type , that we called Rat Shot. They worked quite well.
This makes perfect sense to me. I found a box of these in my dad's tool shop (he's deceased) and he used to complain all the time how birds would fly into the shop and shit on everything. The shop is literally a barn with concrete floor so the roof is metal. I don't imagine these rounds going through a roof but they would definitely take out a small bird. Maybe. He only used about 4 out of the box. Maybe he didn't find them effective. Anyway, they look like an interesting bullet so i'm gonna give them a shot.
When hiking in AZ I carry my Ruger mark 2 with 3 of these in the top of the magazine for rattlesnakes. At 6 to 7 feet, I have shot 3 rattlers, even though the first shot does the job, I always follow with a second shot. The bolt has to be hand cycled as these shells won't cycle the bolt, which the box clearly states "will not cycle semi-automatic firearms". The CCI shotshells are the ones to use, as the winchesters and federals are all brass, and the fired shell sticks in the rifling of the rifle or semi auto pistol - for revolvers this is not a problem
careful many of those rattlers you have in AZ are federally protected..ignorance is no excuse..they cannot be hunted or killed..killing a federally protected animal on federal land with a firearm can get you into some serious jail time trouble (hope you at least have a license)..as in your nuts for putting your name out here like that.. killing a snake just because its a snake is no justification these days.. unless in your home..Im sure someone will forward this post to AZ game at some point..!! Also without snakes going into burrows and eating the vast numbers of rodents you'll end up with the same problems everyone else has when they have no more.. a big rise in rodents,rabies and the likes.. 90% of people bitten by snakes in the USA were trying to kill them, pick them up etc.. just avoid them ,you could just walk away..I know this.. cause it's my Job.
@@justinfantastic4882 Settle down his post is 5 years old you have nothing but hearsay no evidence no clue and no way will you get anything but laughed at trying to make a citizen arrest. He doesn't even say what kind of rattlesnake. 5 of 18 are protected in Arizona. Personally I don't shoot them either but your smug snarky comment is absolutely nauseating.
Notwithstanding the wisdom of usually leaving snakes alone , and many of them being protected ; At 2- 5 feet in outdoor environments , a head shot with solid bullet is instantly incapacitating . Even if head is moving too much , a mag dump to the body is quickly fatal , and impares their mobility in their final seconds .
@@justinfantastic4882 I have hiked and camped EXTENSIVELY in the Arizona desert since 1980. I have crossed the paths of rattlesnakes many times, even unknowingly standing close (inches) to them while they sleep. The snakes are docile and polite unless stepped upon or otherwise messed with. I cannot understand why people are intent on killing them because, as you say, they do us all a great service. It seems every snowbird thinks it is their duty or right to shoot (or run them over with their ATV) every snake they see. I don't get it.
When I lived out in the country I used to walk my property with a 22 WMR revolver loaded with shot shells for snake control. I found the magnum loads would dispatch even a large rattler at about 9 feet. Closer than that and you would blow chunks off the critter. I loved the fact I didn't have to be spot on with my target aquisition!
Thanks. Your review was much better designed than the rounds themselves. You help people save money with reviews this clear and thorough. So, i will subscribe. I bought two packs of these thing a few of months ago - and then forgot about them. 22 ammo had been really hard to find, so i just grabbed the things, mostly out of curiosity. ... like someone else said:' 'look out , cockroaches!"
An inch of penetration makes a good non-lethan self defense ammunition. This is gonna hurt like hell and will most likely make the aggressor seize his attack. Just make sure the first round after that is a JHP If he's on drugs.
People talking crap... But I've killed a whole truck load of snakes in 30 years with those same rounds... 10-15 feet and they'll damn near take a head off...
I also shot a water moccasin with wmr shot shell from a NAA 1” barrel from 5-6 feet, aimed shot and the water moccasin didn’t move at first then slowly slithered off the boats swim platform into the water and swam away I can only assume he died later full of lead because after this I went home and shot the same round from the same gun and same distance approximately, and it made a 12” pattern in a piece of heavy cardboard folded 4 layers thick some went all the way through I’m guessing at least 100 strikes in the 1st layer I know I got that water moccasin but he swam away 🤷♀️
I have to say, I did actually see these used against a snake. The snake was hit by 4 separate rounds at very close range (probably about 4-5 feet) from a handgun. Specifically, each time the handgun was fired, you could see skin come off the snake's head, however, the snake continued to move and hiss. It didn't stop until I used my handgun (9mm Hornady Critical Defense HP) and nearly removed its head. Personally, I won't even use them as a snake load.
I haven't seen the video yet, but I assume these will penetrate 6 inches of reinforced concrete at over a mile, and lose almost no velocity. EDIT: damn, so close
you are a very good reviewer. great edits, quick cuts, good information, giving exactly what i want to see with none of the fluff, you sir make great videos
They take out copperhead snakes and leave minced snake. (@5ft.) Great for rodents without doing extensive damage to surrounding area, like in a shed or shop. Velocitors give you a little more umph. Highly recommend.
I think they are pretty well designed....you want a fairly wide dispersion especially if you are shooting these out of a handgun. Also, the different pellet sizes are there probably to get a more dense packing.
Great video. Your explanation was wonderfully executed. I have a couple boxes of this ammo "squirreled" away yet never had the opportunity to shoot with them. So in all this really helped on my use thought process
I've been using these with much success on my backyard rat problem. My latest victim was a large female that was eating birdseed 15 feet away--about the limit of range for this ammo. She went down with no thrashing other than a small case of "helicopter tail." I capped another rat inside the garden shed from about three feet, and it opened him up pretty well, which tells me that there's not a lot of shot spread at that distance. Rifle used was a Valmet M49 youth rifle with a 20" barrel. These things are pretty loud in a revolver, but in the rifle they made about as much noise as an air rifle, so one small "bang" in the evening isn't likely to upset the neighbors. You'll definitely want to wear eye protection when using this stuff in a confined area.
Seriously this ammo does its job and shouldn't be expected to be something it is not. I have used this and similar ammo for rodent control for years. I know what it will do and I am thankful to have it especially as our rural area moves closer and closer to urban environment. I have used this prescription on grey squirrels that damage my crops and property. At two to five yards with an old Winchester model 67 .22 rifle or an old single action .22 revolver they are the right ammo at the right time; no worries about the projectiles traveling into the neighbors yard and the squirrels stop inflicting damage. When I met a rattlesnake in the dim light of the saddle shed I was especially appreciative to have this ammo on hand.
so basically if you were close enough for it to be effective for self defense, you might as well poke them with the barrel or use your gun as a club...
You think you're joking , but you're not . Contact distance , with muzzle firmly pressed into Bare flesh , and the wounding mechanism would be more from the hot high presure gases directly into the wound than from the pellets .
A friend gave me a box of these many years ago. Sent them off to college with my daughter (thankfully she never had to use them) been sitting around gathering dust ever since. Guess I’ll take them out back and have a little fun with them.
I was just watching a video about .22LR tracer rounds, and was thinking back to when I first purchased my .22 and bought some of these shotshell rounds. The rounds were lost in a move, so I never got a chance to fire them and test them out, so I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how they perform.
This video is 11 yrs old, so there is that. When I bought the round, I bought it as a "mercy kill" varmint round. My cat went after and maimed a rat by my trash cans. A close quarters round to finish off a varmint, for disposal. Works well. Used it last weekend. 1.5ft-3ft range.
This is just cruel crap - i tortured a squirrel with my dad shooting these up in a tree, he sat their shaking and suffering - felt bad about that for 30 years when it crosses my mind... folks, don't use this on anything larger than a small mouse, hell i wouldn't use this on anything more than a cockroach... better to use a pellet gun for small rodents and for squirrels just your normal .22LR... i'd also use a .22 for rats, palm rats in florida... this is just gimmicky fun, thats all it should be for... maybe shooting over toy soldiers... actually i take it back, what i said about small mouse, don't even use it on those guys, too cruel, mice are evolved little mammal guys, put them out of their misery instantly if u can... this would just torture them... i mean unless u can shoot them at point blank an inch from his brain...
Take-A-Toke i would if the need arises, and i would u CCI stingers NOT this cruel torturous crap! besides, u want all that shot in your meat?! i'm a vegan, but i'd kill again if i thought i needed to or even if it would improve my life
Thats why i don't use them. If I could get a 6 inch pattern at 5-10 yards that would be great, and maybe 2 inches of gel penetration as I want clean kills.(no need for the sand size shot even on rodents.) Until I own such a mini shotgun I will keep testing various subsonic mono-rounds. I want enough energy to reliably kill larger rats but still low enough the 3/8" plywood sides of my shed or chicken coop can act as backstop.
@@mytech6779 I tried these for the fruit rats we have down here in FL, they kinda worked but I ended up taking the little capsule of shot out of the remaining I had, went to Walmart and bought some gamo .22 sabot pellets and pressed them into the casings. Now THOSE worked GREAT on rats and they engage with the rifling in the barrel so the accuracy was dead on. Pretty vicious when a pellet is flying that fast lol
If used with a rifled barrel, it will only be useful for a maximum distance of 3 feet, but with a smooth barrel, the distance and penetration of the shot increases greatly and can be useful up to 15 to 20 feet. There are special rifles for this ammunition and they are garden rifles widely used for pest control in stables which, due to their short range, do not damage anything that may be behind the rodent or the roof sheets if used to eliminate pigeons.
what could have caused it to spread so much is the barrels rifling a rifled barred would increase the spread of the shot so if you plan on making a update video use a smooth bore barrel. and yes they do make 22 smooth bore barrels
Nice video, good info. Probably best to use this ammo in a revolver since it is under powered and only good at close range, I load similar rounds for use in my GP100, we have a healthy population of water moccasins where I hunt and at times they can be aggressive.
tnoutdoors9> There is also another use for this load that I have never seen mentioned. I have heard many people say that they do not have a gun for self defense because they do not believe that they could shoot someone even if they are breaking into their home. This gives that person a new option. They can buy a revolver (because of cycling issues in an automatic) and load the first chamber with a shotshell and the rest with normal ammo. Now they can pull that trigger in defense and not have to worry about sending a lethal projectile into another humans body. If that shotshell does not stop the intruder I think that the possibility of that homeowner pulling the trigger again becomes so much easier. Just my thoughts.
Or it gives the bad guy enough time to stuff a 230gr 45acp bullet in your Mellon, i think that would be a bad tactical move on the scared to defend themselves with DEADLY FORCE person out there.
Won't do anything to a bigger person, anyone in winter clothes, or on drugs. In fact, even if it injures them requiring plastic surgery to repair skin damage, expect a civil lawsuit against you for medical and pain/suffering bills to come your way as your intent was to inflict pain, not to disable them.
I have 3 rounds of these loaded infront of 7 Federal orange box in my nightstand handgun. I live in a townhouse and not by myself I might add. So id rather not be blasting through walls unnecessarily and if the 3 rounds don't neutralize the threat then the Federals most likely will.
Just make sure your handgun is a revolver... cause the first shell won't eject... the 2nd won't feed nor shoot without manual cycling. Not ideal in a stressful situation.
I shot a 4 foot long, 4 inch thick water moccasin in the face at 6 feet distance, from a Ruger MK2 pistol. It wriggled in place for a few seconds, and died with a pool of blood under it's head. The snake was in a friend's garage. I cast and make my own ammo, including snake shot rounds in various calibers, but the CCI rounds are quite effective and less likely to cause damage to property when shooting indoors. My friend was very grateful.
As a kid, I had a Belgian rolling block shotgun in .22 caliber. Without the lands and grooves of rifling in the bore, it would group .22 shotshells pretty well. At 15 feet, they would make about a 2" pattern. We also used .22 lead dust shells. They didn't group as well but put many a rat out of his misery. There were also sand loaded shells for the same purpose, and they would really clean out the fouling. America should make these shotguns, they'd sell plenty.
I got a 5 shot 22 revolver. the 1st round is this round. I figure if someone gets inside my home while I am asleep and they wake me up, I wont be focused focused to aim perfect so this will work well in the hallway, a pepper effect to blind for a split 2nd while I move in for a CCI 40 Mag dump! LOL 1 blinding shot while I assess for a better and meaningful shot placement so the mags can do there job.
You are over engineering this situation. For a home defense pistol, you can go for a larger gun than for concealed carry. A 5 shot .22 revolver is a poor choice for home defense.
The Wound Channel definitely. Demolition ranch did a video on shot dispersement from a smooth bore vrs rifled bore. The rifling spins it out considerably.
Over the years gun companies made smooth bore .22 rifles that make those shotshell patterns tighten up quite a bit. I've used them on chipmunks at about 5-6 feet and with head shots were pretty effective. I can tell you I shot a red squirrel inside a wooden shed about 7-8 years back with a .38 Special CCI shotshell, I was no more than 5 -6 yards away, it literally looked like there was an outline of the shot around the squirrel. He was pretty peppered himself but it didn't kill him outright, I found him later and he was hit by a few of them, didn't really impress me.
+yomauser In the meantime, your wounded assailant uses his gun with real ammo to put you down. This is a horrible choice for self defense. Why extend the courtesy of less than lethal ammo, when the bad guy has no intentions of extending that courtesy? But you are correct in noting that they will sue the crap out of you, although they instigated the crime.
ahah Yeah, of course peperspray or knife would be a better self defense tool... (?) and i would only had to pay for own wounds or coffin, and not to the blinded robber ;)
To shoot someone with it will REALY PISS THEM OFFand cause THEM to pull out a .357 Revolver and return FIRE with devastating results. And, he would be most likely vindicated. Yep, you shoot at someone with a BLANK, and tey have every reason to believe it is the REAL THING. So to be peppered with this stuff would cause a VERY nasty response. BB
The .22 Shotshells are terrible for hunting. Use a real shotgun if you want to spray something. I hit a sparrow from 15 feet with these and it didn't even die on the first shot. It definitely suffered before I finished it off with a close range headshot, but if it can't even kill a sparrow on the first shot, what the hell is the point of these things?
Those boolets (as the package written says) seem to be created for rootens. Like mices, rats, thefs.... one shot in a face and bandit will be blind for rest of his life :P pretty fair thing....
I use similar rounds about 35 years ago to clear pigeons from a barn. Fire a round, remove the casing from the chamber, load another round, repeat. They were very effective but tedious to load.
Many years ago, when I my Uncle Sam decided to station me in the Mojave Desert. For desert hikes, I carried a Ruger Single Six, loaded with two rounds of these snake loads, and four rounds of regular 40 gr cartridges. I could usually just avoid the rattlers when doing a day hike. No need to shoot them if they weren't bothering me. But setting up camp for the night seemed to be an open invitation to scorpions and such. That's when this stuff came in handy, but be forewarned, it's only effective out to about 5 yards max. I've always felt this would be much more effective in a smoothbore rifle. I've seriously considered finding an old plinker and smoothing out the bore from just beyond the headspace to the muzzle. I am guessing that without the twist, the shot might be effective out to 10 or 15 yards, but that's just speculation. I'd love to hear if anyone has tried this in a smoothbore.
You are actually inviting serious trouble with Federal law. You can buy a few smoothbore .22LR's, but you would actually be creating a smoothbore rifle, or what's called "any other weapon" by the law. 5 years in Leavenworth.
No .22 long rifle rimfire shot cartridges will pattern well when fired out of a rifled barrel, regardless of barrel length. I have found 5-6 feet to be the maximum 'useful' distance for .22 rimfire shotshells no matter if fired from a handgun or rifle. The key is the rifling imparts such spin on the shot charge that it blows the pattern out too much and disperses the shot pellets to the point that the pattern is pretty much useless beyond 5-6 feet. Contrast that to patterns obtained with my Remington Model 510 smoothbore .22 rimfire 'rifle': that gun will throw patterns dense enough at 25 feet or so to dependably dispatch rats and other small pests. I have also found the 'crimped style' .22 long rifle shot cartridges generally pattern better than the 'plastic nose cap' type .22 long rifle shot cartridges. I have used my Remington Model 510 smoothbore .22 and .22 long rifle shot cartridges many times to dispatch rats, starlings, etc. in my barn long as the distance is kept within 25 feet or so it is quite effective.
Wow... Don't tell Gov. Cuomo... He'll jump all over that... It's the only thing NOT taxed in NY at the moment! LOL... Just cant buy it on line... Dealer only..
I used this to euthanize a small snake that had gotten trapped on a rat glue board. It's absolutely devastating on very small animals... if you care (or can) get very close to one. Like point blank range! The rifling just opens up the shot pattern too much to be effective past two yards. Otherwise I'd stick to a 410, or an accurately placed .22. Or even an air gun. I took out a possum once with a .177 pellet to the cranium.
jarkoer what type of pellet gun? My dog severely injured an opossum and he was slowing dying, so I shot him. Using a Crosman destroyer hollow point, daisy powerline 35. It went clean through both sides of his head.
+jarkoer, Just for future reference you can spray the hell out of the snake with PAM spray and it will eventually slide right off the glue trap. Its also non toxic, just spray it in the grass. I removed one in a garage and it made a slippery ass mess.
Since the barrel of a .22 is rifled, the rotation of the bullet will disperse the shot as soon as it leave the muzzle, making it impractical for any range greater than what we see in the video. Did you ever shoot a animal at closer range than 10' ? You have your answer. Impractical in any case. Thanks for showing us.
Once read an answer to a question in Shooting Times. The late Skeeter Skelton was asked, "At what range and on what game do you find those .22 shot shells effective?" Mr. Skelton's answer. "I'll answer that question...last part first...young mouse, four feet." TN's video just pretty much shows that summation to be accurate.
3:15 and suddenly i'm really wanting cheese. that the dang rodents are eating. and now there's an excuse to own these rounds. to kill the rats eating my cheese.
A lot of people commenting this is cruel to hunt with and stuff. These aren't meant to hunt with... They are for rodents and snakes. It worked fine on a copperhead.
I bought the standard Winchester 22 lr's and either they starting sucking or I was the unlucky one to have gotten 4 (333 round) boxes over a few month period, Got them out to do some plinking before we junked our car, and nothing less than misfires and some like yours didn't have enough balz to even cycle back the bolt. Got out my Remington 22's and immediately no problems than the common few jams out of a few hundred rounds but no misfires or cycling problems.
Several rds of this in any attackers face /chest / eyes at close range will stop them....no over shoot, no murder charge....and the scumbags lives to go to jail....
@Harry Kuheim: With respect, this is an EXTREMELY poor idea. If anyone is unfortunately compelled to use a firearm to protect himself (or other innocents), the goal is abundantly clear: to incapacitate the threat instantaneously (or VERY near instantaneously). Admittedly, this may not always be achievable; however, in my opinion, one should NEVER select a defensive system (firearm, ammunition, sights, holster, weapons light, tactical approach, and so forth) that is DESIGNED to ensure multiple rounds - and, even worse, considerable time - are required to stop the felon. This is precisely what you have suggested and it is a most dangerous proposal. The potency, velocity, design, mass, shot pattern, and so forth of this ammunition absolutely does not ensure an immediate threat elimination; in fact, it does precisely the opposite. Equally bad, this load likely will not cycle many semiautomatic weapons. What do you think the barely wounded criminal will do to you, to your family, or to other innocents while you manually recycle the firearm to fire second, third, fourth, etc. rounds? This will take several seconds and in that time the felon can - and probably will - kill or seriously injure you and/or other innocents. For this exact reason, your recommendation is unbelievably foolhardy. The key point is simply this: In extremis, defensive success REQUIRES the instantaneous cessation of the threat(s). Consider, for example, the FBI’s 2006 Miami debacle and you’ll clearly understand that elimination (death, in this case, of the two criminals) of the threat in even a very few minutes allowed two Special Agents to be killed and several others to be severely wounded. We all pray never to be in a situation where we are required to kill or severely wound a criminal to protect innocent life; however, if one is ever compelled to do so, then he must eliminate the threat(s) VERY quickly (within seconds).
+Roy Kiefer Excellent post,spot on.It's absolutely mind numbing to think people would actually consider this for self defense.I've shot this in .22mag and at 6-8 feet a good bit if it won't even penetrate both sides of a plastic coffee can. A person would be better off with OC spray than this IMO.
These work much better from a smoothbore or a Rutledge bore. At one time these guns were commonly available. Puts .22 shot shells in an entirely different league.
To hell with this. Go get a cheap pump action shotgun, get some of the cheapest shells available, break the shells open, load them with a mixture of about 25% salt, 25% sand and load the tip with 50% fecal matter. Why? If the salt doesn't kill the varmint the infection it causes will. Sounds crazy but it works.
When I was a kid, my grandad used an early version of this "birdshot" to dispatch sparrows and swallows who took up residence in his tin roofed shed. He used them because the shot would not penetrate the metal and cause leaks, whereas his "pump up" air rifle occasionally would penetrate if you gave it a couple too many pumps. You had to be within 12-15 feet to kill the feathered intruders. All in all, pretty lame, especiallyfor the price.
I've used these several times to dispatch rats in and around the house. First rodent had taken up residence under the laundry-room sink and was quickly taken care of with one shot from my Ruger SP-101 revolver (loud!). Later "safaris" used a 20" single-shot rifle, which worked just as well and was much quieter. Ranges were all between three and five feet.
You have better groupings when you shoot these out of a smooth bore garden gun. A rifled barrel causes the bullet to spin on exit, which is why your patterns are so scattered even at close range. These shot shells are highly effective at up to 15 feet in a smooth bore. Wish they'd print that on the packaging, because almost no one seems to get this.
Fun video. I still have some of these purchased 20+ years ago. I used to shoot at mice with my Winchester 1906 gallery gun. They are absolutely worthless, except for a chuckle.
I have used them out of an old Smith K-22 with a 6" barrel on mice in my barn. From about 6' away, they will kill them cleanly, and do no damage to the walls behind them. They do no harm to the gun, just clean it as you would any gun and figure on a little bit of plastic residue in the rifling like a shotgun wad would leave. The .44 mag shotshell will do in a snake at the same distance, but will also damage plywood walls in a barn or garage so don't use them under such circumstances.
These shotshell rounds have been around for a very long time. My uncle used to fire shotshells at mice in his living room, while relaxing on the sofa watching TV.
Do you live in Florida by any chance?
@@vindiesel3066 lol
Did your uncle live in a trailer?
Sounds like your uncle is a lazy, stupid slob.
Did he live in a barn? How many mice could someone possibly have in their house?
Here in north east texas we have our share of wood bees. They bore holes in the structure of our barns and sheds. Eventually causing structural failure. As a youngster we would spend hours hunting these bees. These bees do a lot of hovering wich makes them pretty easy targets. But hitting one on the fly is tricky. We used the old crimped type , that we called Rat Shot. They worked quite well.
The are made for barns and sheds with birds in the rafters, its so you don't damage your roof.
And they work EXCELLENT for this, too.
I've nailed a few rattle snakes with these.
It is going to do damage to the roof..
@Bantamude, how did it do on the rattlesnakes?
This makes perfect sense to me. I found a box of these in my dad's tool shop (he's deceased) and he used to complain all the time how birds would fly into the shop and shit on everything. The shop is literally a barn with concrete floor so the roof is metal. I don't imagine these rounds going through a roof but they would definitely take out a small bird. Maybe. He only used about 4 out of the box. Maybe he didn't find them effective. Anyway, they look like an interesting bullet so i'm gonna give them a shot.
To sum up: This round won't stop a charging field mouse at 5 feet.
Will Branson 😂😂😂😂
Dude it a joke
Dude in the video is a joke
These rounds are best used in a revolver, that's why they don't cycle in your rifle dude
Hahahha😂😂😂
When hiking in AZ I carry my Ruger mark 2 with 3 of these in the top of the magazine for rattlesnakes. At 6 to 7 feet, I have shot 3 rattlers, even though the first shot does the job, I always follow with a second shot. The bolt has to be hand cycled as these shells won't cycle the bolt, which the box clearly states "will not cycle semi-automatic firearms". The CCI shotshells are the ones to use, as the winchesters and federals are all brass, and the fired shell sticks in the rifling of the rifle or semi auto pistol - for revolvers this is not a problem
careful many of those rattlers you have in AZ are federally protected..ignorance is no excuse..they cannot be hunted or killed..killing a federally protected animal on federal land with a firearm can get you into some serious jail time trouble (hope you at least have a license)..as in your nuts for putting your name out here like that.. killing a snake just because its a snake is no justification these days.. unless in your home..Im sure someone will forward this post to AZ game at some point..!! Also without snakes going into burrows and eating the vast numbers of rodents you'll end up with the same problems everyone else has when they have no more.. a big rise in rodents,rabies and the likes.. 90% of people bitten by snakes in the USA were trying to kill them, pick them up etc.. just avoid them ,you could just walk away..I know this.. cause it's my Job.
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Settle down his post is 5 years old you have nothing but hearsay no evidence no clue and no way will you get anything but laughed at trying to make a citizen arrest.
He doesn't even say what kind of rattlesnake. 5 of 18 are protected in Arizona. Personally I don't shoot them either but your smug snarky comment is absolutely nauseating.
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Shut up Stupid. Go back to your Mother's basement and finish your game and mind your own business
Notwithstanding the wisdom of usually leaving snakes alone , and many of them being protected ;
At 2- 5 feet in outdoor environments , a head shot with solid bullet is instantly incapacitating . Even if head is moving too much , a mag dump to the body is quickly fatal , and impares their mobility in their final seconds .
@@justinfantastic4882 I have hiked and camped EXTENSIVELY in the Arizona desert since 1980. I have crossed the paths of rattlesnakes many times, even unknowingly standing close (inches) to them while they sleep. The snakes are docile and polite unless stepped upon or otherwise messed with. I cannot understand why people are intent on killing them because, as you say, they do us all a great service. It seems every snowbird thinks it is their duty or right to shoot (or run them over with their ATV) every snake they see. I don't get it.
When I lived out in the country I used to walk my property with a 22 WMR revolver loaded with shot shells for snake control. I found the magnum loads would dispatch even a large rattler at about 9 feet. Closer than that and you would blow chunks off the critter. I loved the fact I didn't have to be spot on with my target aquisition!
lol I thought the gel block was some delicious cheese he was gonna shoot into.
now I want cheese.
Sam Sereda I thought the same!
2 years later and you have me wanting cheese now. Thanks dude🖕
I am soon getting the tastiest cheese.
When he started to say something I thought he was talking about government cheese maybe they should use that as a Target
Me too!
Thanks. Your review was much better designed than the rounds themselves.
You help people save money with reviews this clear and thorough.
So, i will subscribe.
I bought two packs of these thing a few of months ago - and then forgot about them. 22 ammo had been really hard to find, so i just grabbed the things, mostly out of curiosity.
... like someone else said:' 'look out , cockroaches!"
These would be more useful if they were filled with sprinkles and you could shoot them at cupcakes.
that is funny! i would agree
I don't necessarily agree, but that's the funniest ammo review I've ever seen.
vwr32jeep they are meant for killing rats inside of barns within 10 or so feet and not risking damage to anything else
vwr32jeep lmao. exactly
vwr32jeep for some people it's all they have
I use these in my single action revolver for snakes , work great so far.
Just picked up a ruger wrangler, single action guna run a box of these through it
Why single shot? Yuck. ?
Single action not single shot.
So in other words its safe and we can use it in airsoft.
And yet id still rather get full autod in the face than one of them
Well, since there's no full auto in the buildings, you can use these because they don't cycle
Just keep the safety glasses on though 😉
An inch of penetration makes a good non-lethan self defense ammunition.
This is gonna hurt like hell and will most likely make the aggressor seize his attack. Just make sure the first round after that is a JHP If he's on drugs.
Stupid idea
The .22LR shotshell works great in my NAA Mini .22LR revolver, snakes beware....
You just answered the question I had about useing in my naa mini .22lr revolver thanks
Yup. I got a water moccasin last year single shot.
People talking crap... But I've killed a whole truck load of snakes in 30 years with those same rounds... 10-15 feet and they'll damn near take a head off...
@@no.step.on.snek.2423 Yes, it's very effective. Hope you're leaving the friendly fellows alone.
I also shot a water moccasin with wmr shot shell from a NAA 1” barrel from 5-6 feet, aimed shot and the water moccasin didn’t move at first then slowly slithered off the boats swim platform into the water and swam away I can only assume he died later full of lead because after this I went home and shot the same round from the same gun and same distance approximately, and it made a 12” pattern in a piece of heavy cardboard folded 4 layers thick some went all the way through I’m guessing at least 100 strikes in the 1st layer I know I got that water moccasin but he swam away 🤷♀️
These would be GREAT for butterflies!
YOU MONSTER?!?!? but I still liked.
@@Walkermccreight u ❄️
I died when i saw this😂
Or carpenter bees
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Could deliver a world of hurt on an amoeba.
I used these and found that you do more damage if you throw the weapon. The rifling made a large void in the pattern at anything over10 to 12 feet.
"For this last test, I have a small chunk of-"
it's cheese
"-ballistic media"
looks tasty
I have to say, I did actually see these used against a snake. The snake was hit by 4 separate rounds at very close range (probably about 4-5 feet) from a handgun. Specifically, each time the handgun was fired, you could see skin come off the snake's head, however, the snake continued to move and hiss. It didn't stop until I used my handgun (9mm Hornady Critical Defense HP) and nearly removed its head. Personally, I won't even use them as a snake load.
+delvanvellar Good input! Watching this video really makes me rethink them for that use!
You guys really don't know how snakes work so you boys? You can cut a snakes head off and it can still bite you. It's called nerves.
I haven't seen the video yet, but I assume these will penetrate 6 inches of reinforced concrete at over a mile, and lose almost no velocity.
EDIT: damn, so close
That is if you hold your breath.
Cryopinacle and it will make any gun fully semi automatic
If you were a mile high in the air and shot down at the ground you might have a chance.:)
Only in cod
I don't know if I'm getting old, but the opening of this video made me laugh.
you are a very good reviewer. great edits, quick cuts, good information, giving exactly what i want to see with none of the fluff, you sir make great videos
Man, I can't wait till they get these in 12ga!
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They do know
2019 sucks Rip juice wrld woooosh
@@keepermovin5906 what the fuck???
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They take out copperhead snakes and leave minced snake. (@5ft.) Great for rodents without doing extensive damage to surrounding area, like in a shed or shop. Velocitors give you a little more umph.
Highly recommend.
No they don’t. The 45 Long Colt shotshells might. But the 22 LR ones won’t knock a corn kernel out if a dry turd.
I think they are pretty well designed....you want a fairly wide dispersion especially if you are shooting these out of a handgun. Also, the different pellet sizes are there probably to get a more dense packing.
Great video. Your explanation was wonderfully executed. I have a couple boxes of this ammo "squirreled" away yet never had the opportunity to shoot with them. So in all this really helped on my use thought process
I've been using these with much success on my backyard rat problem. My latest victim was a large female that was eating birdseed 15 feet away--about the limit of range for this ammo. She went down with no thrashing other than a small case of "helicopter tail." I capped another rat inside the garden shed from about three feet, and it opened him up pretty well, which tells me that there's not a lot of shot spread at that distance. Rifle used was a Valmet M49 youth rifle with a 20" barrel. These things are pretty loud in a revolver, but in the rifle they made about as much noise as an air rifle, so one small "bang" in the evening isn't likely to upset the neighbors. You'll definitely want to wear eye protection when using this stuff in a confined area.
Seriously this ammo does its job and shouldn't be expected to be something it is not. I have used this and similar ammo for rodent control for years. I know what it will do and I am thankful to have it especially as our rural area moves closer and closer to urban environment. I have used this prescription on grey squirrels that damage my crops and property. At two to five yards with an old Winchester model 67 .22 rifle or an old single action .22 revolver they are the right ammo at the right time; no worries about the projectiles traveling into the neighbors yard and the squirrels stop inflicting damage. When I met a rattlesnake in the dim light of the saddle shed I was especially appreciative to have this ammo on hand.
"Is it a suppository?" haha really enjoyed that
It would probably be more effective at -0.01 yards than 25.
But no they are meant for close range mice. Hence the name "rat shot".
It could have been, the potential for breaking up a turd at close range is definitely there.
Oouch!!
so basically if you were close enough for it to be effective for self defense, you might as well poke them with the barrel or use your gun as a club...
Totally laughing at what Geoff said! Lol poke them with the barrel....
You think you're joking , but you're not .
Contact distance , with muzzle firmly pressed into Bare flesh , and the wounding mechanism would be more from the hot high presure gases directly into the wound than from the pellets .
that opening joke sold me
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A friend gave me a box of these many years ago. Sent them off to college with my daughter (thankfully she never had to use them) been sitting around gathering dust ever since. Guess I’ll take them out back and have a little fun with them.
I was just watching a video about .22LR tracer rounds, and was thinking back to when I first purchased my .22 and bought some of these shotshell rounds. The rounds were lost in a move, so I never got a chance to fire them and test them out, so I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how they perform.
"Is it a suppository?"
I laughed too hard at that.
“Is it a suppository?”
Yes... but you gotta aim it just right 🤣
I wish you were still making these videos. Always well done and informative.
This video is 11 yrs old, so there is that.
When I bought the round, I bought it as a "mercy kill" varmint round. My cat went after and maimed a rat by my trash cans.
A close quarters round to finish off a varmint, for disposal. Works well. Used it last weekend. 1.5ft-3ft range.
This is just cruel crap - i tortured a squirrel with my dad shooting these up in a tree, he sat their shaking and suffering - felt bad about that for 30 years when it crosses my mind... folks, don't use this on anything larger than a small mouse, hell i wouldn't use this on anything more than a cockroach... better to use a pellet gun for small rodents and for squirrels just your normal .22LR... i'd also use a .22 for rats, palm rats in florida...
this is just gimmicky fun, thats all it should be for... maybe shooting over toy soldiers... actually i take it back, what i said about small mouse, don't even use it on those guys, too cruel, mice are evolved little mammal guys, put them out of their misery instantly if u can... this would just torture them... i mean unless u can shoot them at point blank an inch from his brain...
Take-A-Toke i would if the need arises, and i would u CCI stingers NOT this cruel torturous crap! besides, u want all that shot in your meat?!
i'm a vegan, but i'd kill again if i thought i needed to or even if it would improve my life
raceandcrime you didnt use it properly. They arent for hunting and shooting squirrels out of trees. Theyre for dispatching rodents indoors.
HiImHigh:) lovely
Who the fuk shoots these indoors??
raceandcrime That was dumb.
The rifling upsets the shot and causes it to spray everywhere.
Thats why i don't use them. If I could get a 6 inch pattern at 5-10 yards that would be great, and maybe 2 inches of gel penetration as I want clean kills.(no need for the sand size shot even on rodents.) Until I own such a mini shotgun I will keep testing various subsonic mono-rounds. I want enough energy to reliably kill larger rats but still low enough the 3/8" plywood sides of my shed or chicken coop can act as backstop.
@@mytech6779 I tried these for the fruit rats we have down here in FL, they kinda worked but I ended up taking the little capsule of shot out of the remaining I had, went to Walmart and bought some gamo .22 sabot pellets and pressed them into the casings. Now THOSE worked GREAT on rats and they engage with the rifling in the barrel so the accuracy was dead on. Pretty vicious when a pellet is flying that fast lol
That’s what she said
shotshells have the best groupings in SMOOTH bore barrels!!!
But they did make a pump action 22lr
There have been several smoothbore .22 LR rifles made. My buddy had one, It was still useless past 10 yards.
If used with a rifled barrel, it will only be useful for a maximum distance of 3 feet, but with a smooth barrel, the distance and penetration of the shot increases greatly and can be useful up to 15 to 20 feet. There are special rifles for this ammunition and they are garden rifles widely used for pest control in stables which, due to their short range, do not damage anything that may be behind the rodent or the roof sheets if used to eliminate pigeons.
what could have caused it to spread so much is the barrels rifling
a rifled barred would increase the spread of the shot so if you plan on making a update video use a smooth bore barrel. and yes they do make 22 smooth bore barrels
Nice video, good info. Probably best to use this ammo in a revolver since it is under powered and only good at close range, I load similar rounds for use in my GP100, we have a healthy population of water moccasins where I hunt and at times they can be aggressive.
tnoutdoors9> There is also another use for this load that I have never seen mentioned. I have heard many people say that they do not have a gun for self defense because they do not believe that they could shoot someone even if they are breaking into their home. This gives that person a new option. They can buy a revolver (because of cycling issues in an automatic) and load the first chamber with a shotshell and the rest with normal ammo. Now they can pull that trigger in defense and not have to worry about sending a lethal projectile into another humans body. If that shotshell does not stop the intruder I think that the possibility of that homeowner pulling the trigger again becomes so much easier. Just my thoughts.
Um no,horrible idea.
Exactly what I've been doing for the last 30-off years. 1st round is a shotshell, then subsonic solids.
Or it gives the bad guy enough time to stuff a 230gr 45acp bullet in your Mellon, i think that would be a bad tactical move on the scared to defend themselves with DEADLY FORCE person out there.
Won't do anything to a bigger person, anyone in winter clothes, or on drugs. In fact, even if it injures them requiring plastic surgery to repair skin damage, expect a civil lawsuit against you for medical and pain/suffering bills to come your way as your intent was to inflict pain, not to disable them.
These will DEFINITELY kill a Rat at close range. I cornered a Rat in a outbuilding, and with 1 shot I took it out. So these will work on Rodents...
Teddy Norton It must have been one of them super Rats.. HaHa! The one I shot wasn't all that big, so I guess that's why I took it out with 1 shot...
Your rats must be much smaller and weaker than my rats
Those 22s are really cool looking
I used to love fooling around with these shot shells when I was a kid!
22 shot shell snort to instantly relieve any headache
I'm pretty sure hitting someone with a few of those would at least make him run away.
Better hope they don't have a gun as well. Or on drugs for that matter.
ok sometimes id use it for self defense its still a gun
I have 3 rounds of these loaded infront of 7 Federal orange box in my nightstand handgun. I live in a townhouse and not by myself I might add. So id rather not be blasting through walls unnecessarily and if the 3 rounds don't neutralize the threat then the Federals most likely will.
Just make sure your handgun is a revolver... cause the first shell won't eject... the 2nd won't feed nor shoot without manual cycling.
Not ideal in a stressful situation.
I mean you're trying to scare that person off not kill so I think these would be perfect maybe like a pinch
3:27 My guy, i thought you were shooting cheese 💀
I shot a 4 foot long, 4 inch thick water moccasin in the face at 6 feet distance, from a Ruger MK2 pistol. It wriggled in place for a few seconds, and died with a pool of blood under it's head. The snake was in a friend's garage. I cast and make my own ammo, including snake shot rounds in various calibers, but the CCI rounds are quite effective and less likely to cause damage to property when shooting indoors. My friend was very grateful.
As a kid, I had a Belgian rolling block shotgun in .22 caliber. Without the lands and grooves of rifling in the bore, it would group .22 shotshells pretty well. At 15 feet, they would make about a 2" pattern. We also used .22 lead dust shells. They didn't group as well but put many a rat out of his misery. There were also sand loaded shells for the same purpose, and they would really clean out the fouling. America should make these shotguns, they'd sell plenty.
I got a 5 shot 22 revolver. the 1st round is this round. I figure if someone gets inside my home while I am asleep and they wake me up, I wont be focused focused to aim perfect so this will work well in the hallway, a pepper effect to blind for a split 2nd while I move in for a CCI 40 Mag dump! LOL 1 blinding shot while I assess for a better and meaningful shot placement so the mags can do there job.
You are over engineering this situation. For a home defense pistol, you can go for a larger gun than for concealed carry. A 5 shot .22 revolver is a poor choice for home defense.
Very nice review, thanks.
I recall some old .22lr shells with pellets in which the entire shell was metallic, maybe you guys have seen them also.
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I have several boxes of those
I've got a box of Revelation all brass shotshell ammo that I can't bring myself to shoot. It was from the old Western Auto chain of stores.
Do you think that the rifling slings the shot put into a wide pattern faster than a smooth bore would?
The Wound Channel definitely. Demolition ranch did a video on shot dispersement from a smooth bore vrs rifled bore. The rifling spins it out considerably.
There do exist smooth bore .22lr firearms. The Mossberg 340TR is an example of one.
I have never ever heard anyone say, "i got shot with a 22 and it didn't hurt" 😊😂😂😂
Over the years gun companies made smooth bore .22 rifles that make those shotshell patterns tighten up quite a bit. I've used them on chipmunks at about 5-6 feet and with head shots were pretty effective. I can tell you I shot a red squirrel inside a wooden shed about 7-8 years back with a .38 Special CCI shotshell, I was no more than 5 -6 yards away, it literally looked like there was an outline of the shot around the squirrel. He was pretty peppered himself but it didn't kill him outright, I found him later and he was hit by a few of them, didn't really impress me.
It can be used for delfdefense; to blind the menace without kill him. But probably we had to pay for his handicap :/
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+yomauser In the meantime, your wounded assailant uses his gun with real ammo to put you down. This is a horrible choice for self defense. Why extend the courtesy of less than lethal ammo, when the bad guy has no intentions of extending that courtesy?
But you are correct in noting that they will sue the crap out of you, although they instigated the crime.
Lol what's more dangerous then an armed criminal? A BLIND armed criminal who is now shooting in every direction XD
ahah Yeah, of course peperspray or knife would be a better self defense tool... (?) and i would only had to pay for own wounds or coffin, and not to the blinded robber ;)
To shoot someone with it will REALY PISS THEM OFFand cause THEM to pull out a .357 Revolver and return FIRE with devastating results. And, he would be most likely vindicated. Yep, you shoot at someone with a BLANK, and tey have every reason to believe it is the REAL THING. So to be peppered with this stuff would cause a VERY nasty response. BB
The .22 Shotshells are terrible for hunting. Use a real shotgun if you want to spray something. I hit a sparrow from 15 feet with these and it didn't even die on the first shot. It definitely suffered before I finished it off with a close range headshot, but if it can't even kill a sparrow on the first shot, what the hell is the point of these things?
They are a gimmick for use on rodents at close range.
Those boolets (as the package written says) seem to be created for rootens. Like mices, rats, thefs.... one shot in a face and bandit will be blind for rest of his life :P pretty fair thing....
wookie0dud You're so bad at spelling.
pboy5456 I might be... this is my third language :P How many you know? Street-latin does not count ;d
A shotgun for a rat? why not a minigun instead?
This stuff has been around for many years. It is used primarily as snake shot. Not much good for anything else.
Killing spiders
That was great to see the effects of the shot shells. .. Thank you.
I use similar rounds about 35 years ago to clear pigeons from a barn. Fire a round, remove the casing from the chamber, load another round, repeat. They were very effective but tedious to load.
it kills snakes on our ranch property
Old comment but honest question. What's the effective range on this load.
Always called those "snake shot"
I'd need a tight choke on a .22 rifle!!! 36" barrel bolt action at that!! Just to make a squirrel hobble a bit.
Tight choke on my wiener, an I can make a squirrel hobble a bit...
The grouping is over twice as tight when fired out of a 5" revolver. They perform horribly out of rifles.
Many years ago, when I my Uncle Sam decided to station me in the Mojave Desert. For desert hikes, I carried a Ruger Single Six, loaded with two rounds of these snake loads, and four rounds of regular 40 gr cartridges. I could usually just avoid the rattlers when doing a day hike. No need to shoot them if they weren't bothering me. But setting up camp for the night seemed to be an open invitation to scorpions and such. That's when this stuff came in handy, but be forewarned, it's only effective out to about 5 yards max. I've always felt this would be much more effective in a smoothbore rifle. I've seriously considered finding an old plinker and smoothing out the bore from just beyond the headspace to the muzzle. I am guessing that without the twist, the shot might be effective out to 10 or 15 yards, but that's just speculation. I'd love to hear if anyone has tried this in a smoothbore.
You are actually inviting serious trouble with Federal law. You can buy a few smoothbore .22LR's, but you would actually be creating a smoothbore rifle, or what's called "any other weapon" by the law. 5 years in Leavenworth.
No .22 long rifle rimfire shot cartridges will pattern well when fired out of a rifled barrel, regardless of barrel length. I have found 5-6 feet to be the maximum 'useful' distance for .22 rimfire shotshells no matter if fired from a handgun or rifle. The key is the rifling imparts such spin on the shot charge that it blows the pattern out too much and disperses the shot pellets to the point that the pattern is pretty much useless beyond 5-6 feet. Contrast that to patterns obtained with my Remington Model 510 smoothbore .22 rimfire 'rifle': that gun will throw patterns dense enough at 25 feet or so to dependably dispatch rats and other small pests. I have also found the 'crimped style' .22 long rifle shot cartridges generally pattern better than the 'plastic nose cap' type .22 long rifle shot cartridges. I have used my Remington Model 510 smoothbore .22 and .22 long rifle shot cartridges many times to dispatch rats, starlings, etc. in my barn long as the distance is kept within 25 feet or so it is quite effective.
Is that a tax stamp on the box of ammo??? Looks like the tax stamp they put on cigarettes in NY.... What's that all about...
+Leaving Communitst NY Tennessee ammo sin tax. Because they can.
Wow... Don't tell Gov. Cuomo... He'll jump all over that... It's the only thing NOT taxed in NY at the moment! LOL... Just cant buy it on line... Dealer only..
+Leaving Communitst NY Targetsportsusa.com ships right to new york doorsteps again, they have since the summer
Hey THANKS!! prices not too bad either!
BUT.... no Tennessee state income tax. We took that power away from the legislature in 2014. 👍👍
"Is it a suppository" lmaoooo
I used this to euthanize a small snake that had gotten trapped on a rat glue board. It's absolutely devastating on very small animals... if you care (or can) get very close to one. Like point blank range! The rifling just opens up the shot pattern too much to be effective past two yards. Otherwise I'd stick to a 410, or an accurately placed .22. Or even an air gun. I took out a possum once with a .177 pellet to the cranium.
jarkoer what type of pellet gun? My dog severely injured an opossum and he was slowing dying, so I shot him. Using a Crosman destroyer hollow point, daisy powerline 35. It went clean through both sides of his head.
Didn't want the poor thing to suffer
Ultra2k
dogman. that is really hardcore...
+jarkoer, Just for future reference you can spray the hell out of the snake with PAM spray and it will eventually slide right off the glue trap. Its also non toxic, just spray it in the grass. I removed one in a garage and it made a slippery ass mess.
Since the barrel of a .22 is rifled, the rotation of the bullet will disperse the shot as soon as it leave the muzzle, making it impractical for any range greater than what we see in the video. Did you ever shoot a animal at closer range than 10' ? You have your answer. Impractical in any case. Thanks for showing us.
Once read an answer to a question in Shooting Times. The late Skeeter Skelton was
asked, "At what range and on what game do you find those .22 shot shells effective?"
Mr. Skelton's answer. "I'll answer that question...last part first...young mouse, four
feet." TN's video just pretty much shows that summation to be accurate.
3:15 and suddenly i'm really wanting cheese. that the dang rodents are eating. and now there's an excuse to own these rounds. to kill the rats eating my cheese.
If a grown man cannot shoot a rat/squirrel from 5/10/15ft with standard ammo, I think it'd be better for him to stick with video games.
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That can't kill squrriel
162 computer mice dislike the thing.
Never played with that stuff - thanks for posting.
A lot of people commenting this is cruel to hunt with and stuff. These aren't meant to hunt with... They are for rodents and snakes. It worked fine on a copperhead.
I used this on a rat the dogs had cornered in the wood pile. The rat did not care for it.
Looks like a .177 pellet gun from walmart is more lethal than these pathetic "shotshells" that can barely pierce a thin layer of plastic
Its more for shooting rats in your house or barn without doing damage to the walls or other items. An old Daisy Red Rider might be more useful
I agree. I've used these against a scratched CD from 1 yard away and it didn't even break it. But it's made to kill rodents.
ah, thanks. i was wondering what the point of these things was.
agreed, i've shot mice with my crossman pump BB gun, would never use this on anything living - maybe only insects...
i thought that was a block of mozzarella
Haha same😂
I bought the standard Winchester 22 lr's and either they starting sucking or I was the unlucky one to have gotten 4 (333 round) boxes over a few month period, Got them out to do some plinking before we junked our car, and nothing less than misfires and some like yours didn't have enough balz to even cycle back the bolt.
Got out my Remington 22's and immediately no problems than the common few jams out of a few hundred rounds but no misfires or cycling problems.
Absolutely logical and senceable explination.👍👍
Not worth a shit.
Basically
So post a Vid of you shooting your foot or your Dog....They are harmless right?
Killed a dove with this shit.
this looks like it would work on protesters. that would clear them out quick
frick poo mad?
Free -69 I assume the protesters would be mad after being shot with these but it would be pretty funny.
exactly what I was thinking! lol
Brilliant
I endorse this idea for anyone agitating for more free federal benefits.
Several rds of this in any attackers face /chest / eyes at close range will stop them....no over shoot, no murder charge....and the scumbags lives to go to jail....
And to respond to Harry,,SUE YOU!!!!
Did you forget the ammo doesn't have enough power to cycle? you'd have to manually eject and rechamber each shot....
Or a Henry lever action
@Harry Kuheim:
With respect, this is an EXTREMELY poor idea. If anyone is unfortunately compelled to use a firearm to protect himself (or other innocents), the goal is abundantly clear: to incapacitate the threat instantaneously (or VERY near instantaneously). Admittedly, this may not always be achievable; however, in my opinion, one should NEVER select a defensive system (firearm, ammunition, sights, holster, weapons light, tactical approach, and so forth) that is DESIGNED to ensure multiple rounds - and, even worse, considerable time - are required to stop the felon. This is precisely what you have suggested and it is a most dangerous proposal.
The potency, velocity, design, mass, shot pattern, and so forth of this ammunition absolutely does not ensure an immediate threat elimination; in fact, it does precisely the opposite. Equally bad, this load likely will not cycle many semiautomatic weapons. What do you think the barely wounded criminal will do to you, to your family, or to other innocents while you manually recycle the firearm to fire second, third, fourth, etc. rounds? This will take several seconds and in that time the felon can - and probably will - kill or seriously injure you and/or other innocents. For this exact reason, your recommendation is unbelievably foolhardy.
The key point is simply this: In extremis, defensive success REQUIRES the instantaneous cessation of the threat(s). Consider, for example, the FBI’s 2006 Miami debacle and you’ll clearly understand that elimination (death, in this case, of the two criminals) of the threat in even a very few minutes allowed two Special Agents to be killed and several others to be severely wounded. We all pray never to be in a situation where we are required to kill or severely wound a criminal to protect innocent life; however, if one is ever compelled to do so, then he must eliminate the threat(s) VERY quickly (within seconds).
+Roy Kiefer Excellent post,spot on.It's absolutely mind numbing to think people would actually consider this for self defense.I've shot this in .22mag and at 6-8 feet a good bit if it won't even penetrate both sides of a plastic coffee
can. A person would be better off with OC spray than this IMO.
These work much better from a smoothbore or a Rutledge bore. At one time these guns were commonly available. Puts .22 shot shells in an entirely different league.
Ooohh, the good old days! I used to fire these in my Grampa’s old Winchester 1897 (pump action), re-chambered to .22LR.
To hell with this. Go get a cheap pump action shotgun, get some of the cheapest shells available, break the shells open, load them with a mixture of about 25% salt, 25% sand and load the tip with 50% fecal matter. Why? If the salt doesn't kill the varmint the infection it causes will. Sounds crazy but it works.
shit shells 💩
malik crane Yep. And using the exact same logic behind punji pits in the Vietnam War, it's practically GUARANTEED to cause a nasty infection.lol
johnlewisbrooks I'd rather not shoot shit in my house.
Rats eat shit. It's what's for dinner.
johnlewisbrooks dang that evil lol
Don't use in riffled barrel. You will regret it after a while.
Thats why i just shoot it out of my $100 Heritage Rough Rider. Great for small critters in the barn.
When I was a kid, my grandad used an early version of this "birdshot" to dispatch sparrows and swallows who took up residence in his tin roofed shed. He used them because the shot would not penetrate the metal and cause leaks, whereas his "pump up" air rifle occasionally would penetrate if you gave it a couple too many pumps. You had to be within 12-15 feet to kill the feathered intruders. All in all, pretty lame, especiallyfor the price.
I've used these several times to dispatch rats in and around the house. First rodent had taken up residence under the laundry-room sink and was quickly taken care of with one shot from my Ruger SP-101 revolver (loud!). Later "safaris" used a 20" single-shot rifle, which worked just as well and was much quieter. Ranges were all between three and five feet.
It's like having jerry miculek with a daisy red Ryder in your pocket👍
Wear glasses. That stuff spatters.
ak47 ammo is cheaper than this shit...
Yeah but the gun is more expensive than a .22. And are you really going to use a Ak-47 against a rat?
dont work, don´t buy them
Maybe your aim sucks cause everyone else says they work
good stuff in the marlin garden gun. a smooth bore .22.
You have better groupings when you shoot these out of a smooth bore garden gun. A rifled barrel causes the bullet to spin on exit, which is why your patterns are so scattered even at close range. These shot shells are highly effective at up to 15 feet in a smooth bore. Wish they'd print that on the packaging, because almost no one seems to get this.
I shoot these out of a pistol at woodpeckers from a good 20' and almost always kill them first shot. Bore holes in my shop wall.
Woodpeckers are Illegal to kill. In the States at least. You give firearm owners a bad name.
Well they are flickers actually. But you guys will probably whine about that too. Not that I care.
dirtbikemike69 Flickers are woodpeckers you troglodyte. Do society a favor and stop breathing.
What's your email? I'll send you pictures of the pile of dead flickers out back of the shop.
I hate woodpeckers, they're fucking annoying and they destroy shit.
Fun video. I still have some of these purchased 20+ years ago. I used to shoot at mice with my Winchester 1906 gallery gun. They are absolutely worthless, except for a chuckle.
I have used them out of an old Smith K-22 with a 6" barrel on mice in my barn. From about 6' away, they will kill them cleanly, and do no damage to the walls behind them. They do no harm to the gun, just clean it as you would any gun and figure on a little bit of plastic residue in the rifling like a shotgun wad would leave.
The .44 mag shotshell will do in a snake at the same distance, but will also damage plywood walls in a barn or garage so don't use them under such circumstances.
I'm now convinced, video game shot guns actually use 22lr shotshell