Making Cleaner Firewood… I Think I Figured It Out
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I would leave the IBC tote on the tractor forks and raised up so that you don't have to bend over so much when stacking the tote. Or build a stand to sit the tote on.
i do this. smart idea. I cut a single ibc tote to create that stand and place the tote on it. makes a world off difference on the back
Making friends with Doug was very beneficial for you and for Doug. Similar interests complement the relationship.
I enjoy both channels -- Adam's Hometown Acres and Soug's One Eyed Customs...great work guys !!
Done like a true accountant - leveraging the strength of one machine, minimizing weakness of the other machine, minimizing the weakness of the first machine, maximizing the strength of the second machine...
Well said!
@@HometownAcresvery worthwhile exercise!
Keep thinking outside the box!
I like the less labor of the box wedge.
Hate the chaff. All the ideas of using it are fine and all, as long as I don't have to do that extra work!!
The cool thing is, you can mess around with ideas and move things around to try new ideas. You haven't boxed yourself into a certain work pattern. And there is no need to.
Neighbor Doug is a good hoe operator!
And good idea guy!
Thanks for the video.
I hope you get a chipper shredder! All that scarp and branches become a mulch pile! Mulch sells well! Also I would love to see you build a solar wind powered dry kiln for your wood on site! Well worth the investment!! You could use the water vapor from the two solar / wind powered dehumidifier’s to fill the lake!
Loved Doug playing Alfred E. Neumann!
Could you bundle the waste for starter wood & sell that? Save time on splitting twice, get rid of waste & make money! 🤷🏻♀️ You are a hard worker!! God bless you and your family!! ♥️ 🙏👍
Exactly what I was going to say!
I would use the Box Wedge, but sharpen the knife edges. I believe the factory edge is a bit dull. I would also add some angle iron to the output chutes to divert splits to the conveyor.
Quality is always better. The stack looks a lot cleaner.
I manage a small wood pile for weekend campfires. The waste that is produced has to be picked up and added to the fire just as a means of disposal. The less waste I
produce the better.
Great demo Adam, this is exactly my plan for this years bundle supply. Im going to run everything through the Wallenstein processors 4-way into the dump then resize it on the vertical splitter. To me its the best option for premium wood. Even to just get logs busted open to start drying then resplit down the road is a fast way to get ahead! Take care buddy.
Hi Adam,
Another option might be on the log pre-sort end.
At a glance, it's obvious (by the diameter) which logs are probably best suited for which splitter and/or wedge configuration. However, if you were to track/record a more accurate diameter range you could pre-sort these logs prior to splitting and cut back on waste.
It might be worth the time to get a few different colored cans of spray paint....With this method, you could stack your oversize logs in one or more piles as you already do. However, after you do, take the time to check the diameter ranges. As you do this hit the different diameter ranges with a different colored spray paint that you can easily see from the cab of the excavator. Once spray painted, you can sort out logs prior to cutting to length.
Ex: The first log at the top of the pile has a green marking. At a glance, you know from the cab.this log's diameter is too big for machine A and/or the particular wedge configuration currently on the splitter....Instead of cutting it to length you either set it aside or move it elsewhere on the pile and move on to the red marked log, one you know in advance is perfect for that splitter and/or wedge configuration.
This pre-sort tag/paint method will also come in handy with the piles of logs you still have from last summer's clearing project. When it comes time to move them to one of the splitters, you sort them them as you go....Green goes near splitter A....Red goes near splitter B etc....
Hey Adam,Love them both . Would like to have both just to do wood for heating our house.
Great job! May God Bless you for all your work.
Always love you 2 guys working together ❤.
You could save a little time off by separating and stacking..
Big peices on the load table of axis and smaller pieces into the tote, then split all the big pieces at 1 time, gives you more of a rhythm.. put a tote on each end of the axis..
I think this system was far superior from a quality,waste reduction and business aspect. Have a great day Adam,take care and God Bless!!!❤😊
I like the scraps and chunks. they make the best fire when you fill the stove with them.
Yep...been heating my house with wood for 30 yrs. Wood heats my house or gets sold, scraps and chaff heat the workshop. Win,win,win.
@@earlzathome The same here Earl since 1975. I waste nothing. even the bark is tilled into my garden.
You could use the “scrap” as kindling. Sell it or throw it in for bulk purchases
A CPA's understanding of the numbers, coupled with an efficiency expert's never ending search for smoothing out the production, that's what I like about Adam's approach to things. There is no "I" in team, but there is in "one man operation". A guy has to figure out what works for him and go with it, he's the bean counter AND the footstep taker and back bender.
Andrew said the 37D has the power to run his new 16-way wedge. It may eliminate the need to resplit.
I’m hoping to get my hands on one
ADAM, interesting evaluation on comparing the splitters. Running the ' numbers' for your operation definitely gives you the advantage of productivity and such. Comes down to personal decision to get the best value for your time vs. end cost of product. Personally, I would have the Axis for the end product. Less slash, special sized pieces for boilers, stoves, campfires, bundling, to kindling.
Hey awesome video. I have a few suggestions.
You should get a pickaroon / hookaroon for moving the logs to the machine instead of bending over. Might save your back.
Also there is an attachment for skid steers/ excavators.
The halversons firewood processing. I know you aren’t sponsored by them but maybe they will let you try out their product.
Hook it up to one of your machines it will lift the logs/ cut and split them for you. If they are to big just split over into the dump trailer and re split with the easton made axis.
The halverson is cheaper and will be faster since you wont have to use a chainsaw.
The bottom line is making pretty, clean bundle/recreational burning wood takes extra time and effort. I have an Eastonmade Ultra with a single and 4-way wedge. If I run 10" and up pieces through the 4 way wedge once that's usually good enough for cord wood or heating wood. If I'm making bundle or recreational wood it means extra time and effort of running some pieces through again but it also means $270 per face cord for the way I sell that wood vs. $130 per face cord for heating wood. Dave
This is a Doug question. Since you love re-engineering things, don't you think the new splitter could use a wider and longer hopper at the beginning of the conveyor belt? Maybe make it a bolt on system?
O ya....neighbor doug getting all wound up seeing some orange and blue lol. Great video adam
Andrew, you have no idea how wound up I was. 😂 I’d love some Orange and Blue over my way!🥰🥰 My wife looks good with orange and blue in front of her as well.😊
@@OneEyeCustoms lol keep being awesome doug
@@EastonmadeWoodSplitters And you as well! Great machine you sent, great machine!!!
When you are just firing up the Axis to start resplitting your wood, Chris and I are cracking open Banquets with our feet up and enjoying a fire burning up the scrap created from running our wood through the pizza wedge one time 😂🍻
I need a burn pit
How I would approach it would depend on how much production output was needed. If it was a small operation I’d do what you did to maximize the yield and enjoy the work. Thanks for another great video!
That scrap can be bundled for campground and for indoor stoves' use.
I personally like a mix of all sized firewood. Still $400 a cord no matter how you shake it on the ma/nh boarder.
If you're intending to do all resplits in the same location i'd raise the IBC tote a foot or so off the ground. Amazing how much easier to fill if never bending to ankle level. Your back will thank you once you reach 50😊
Have you tried squaring up rounds with the Axis and running those through the box wedge? I don't know if it will cut down on scrap, but it would be interesting to find out.
@hometownacres If you are in it for the long term, consider investing in the Rex that Mike Morgan is currently using on his channel. More upfront money, but you can load the hopper with your equipment, saving your back, and provides better control when splitting your larger rounds that can't be put through your other machine "machine - shot out to Spicer, lol). I would look to avoid handling multiple times. More baskets and split direct into them for efficiency.
Nailed it Adam!
Think Doug's looking for a steak dinner ! Or maybe you can help him weld Aluminum 🤷♂️
@1:18 Doug in this scene reminds me of Chucky from Childs Play.
Its sort of like the "round peg, square hole" scenario.. I doubt you will ever find a single processor which can process 100% of rounds with zero waste. Maybe the different wedges are just suited to different diameter rounds.....I just feel sorry for the Japa looking on in the background wishing it had an orange and blue paint job too. Maybe a revisit to the "splitter wars" video you did 3 years ago is required....? Get neighbour Doug on the Japa...😂
I’ll take the Easton. I have no use for the “firewood shredder”. I stack all of my baskets and I like my firewood more uniform.
From what I have seen on other channels, doing the two stage process does generate less waste but it does take longer. Dude ranch dyi did a number of test runs on this subject and they keep coming back to the box wedge.
Nice work sir
I bag what you call scrap and it makes the best kindling money can buy.
It would be interesting to time the split and resplit versus doing the splitting with just the axis. Just curious as to whether there is an actual time savings with the 2 step process. However a true time savings would be achieved if there were 2 operators in the process.
Hey Adam, any plans to bring in stone to your firewood area to keep out of the mud?
It appeared to me that both splitters spent a lot of time burning fuel when they were not splitting anything. The new machine was waiting for you to go pick up rounds from the pile. It looked like another person working on a pile on the other side would have plenty of time to split a round each time you were off picking up and carrying rounds to the machine.
For the Axis, it spent a lot of time running, waiting while you stacked the wood which was small enough not to need any re-split. After watching Gord Potter (GP Outdoors) split on the Axis it looks like if you are in pursuit of machine utilization and efficiency, you need at least two men to keep it fed.
Was the elimination of waste worth the extra fuel burned?
I rented a firewood processor last summer and 5 gal bucket sized worked best we had some logs that were 24” and they fit but the chunks were just to big
Adam, id be curious to know why you split narrower. As a wood insert owner (BK) i prefer larger splits.
Well, I will give you an opinion from a buyers perspective, I know that in my opinion, the stuff run through a box wedge just looks like crap to me personally, all splintered and such. Does it burn the same? Yea probably, but I think that the way you did it in this video, just makes it look so much better and cleaner. I would rather buy wood run through a splitter than a box wedge. Just personal preferance. Most people probably wouldn't care though. Great video!
That blade looked like it split wood a lot better than the last one
I think you have a great idea there. Just think if u had neighbor Doug helping split instead of 🎥 duties . The whole thing would take probably 12 min 🤪
That little diesel engine sounds sweet when it snorts
I agree
Id sort the logs by size and then do everything with the 6 way that won't need resplit and everything else with the box wedge.
To compensate yourself for the slightly longer production time & fuel cost, experiment with selling slightly more expensive baskets of "cleaner" wood vrs, less expensive baskets that are not as clean...
You may find customers prefer paying slight;y more per cord for "perfect" firewood (with no scrap) and those that prefer the slightly "cheaper" ( with some scrap)...
--- I don't know but offering the two different "quality" baskets may be approaching the point of diminishing returns...
Now I would like to see you put a load of rounds. Stage them where he had a second trailer into the trailer. Or you could even do it in New York. Trailer split with just the Axis. Take it down to the size you want to rate off the bat and back. It rained in the toes off the Axis. And see the time comparison
Less waste = More profit/product in the end
That’s a lot of wood through the 37D
I think resplitting is a big time waster. Box wedge to some grizzly bars and straight into a huge pile. All these IBC totes, expensive equipment, and the handling is very hard to justify with the current value of firewood.
For a one man operation the Axis with the conveyer is a great way to go. Very efficient and makes any size wood you like. You can sell bundles, pizza oven wood of regular firewood. One machine, one touch.
To save more time you think you could buy or make an 8 way wedge?
Less waste seems like there is more wood to sell; but I’m no expert
Good job on a good vid today.
Max yield for me
What's that spray wheel to mark the logs? If you have a link to that, post it here. That's really cool!
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That's very efficient. waste not want not.
QUESTION? If your logs were 100 inches long. How many times did you have to handle the wood from the logs. to get 2/3of a cord in the IBC totes? Bucking the logs to 16" rounds, lifting each round on to the first splitter, respiting some, and stacking each piece in the tote. That is a lot of hand labor in my estimation. Yes, you accomplished your goal in what seems like a decent amount of time BUT? WHAT step of the process is most time consuming? I think it 's stacking. SO, you should be pressing your machine manufactures to develop an automated stacking device or machine. Eliminating handling each split piece would be a hell of a time saver.. Time is money so $$$$. In my 20's 30's and 40's I heated with wood and always hated stacking, because, by then I figured I handled that tree plenty. Manufactures have been great in developing wood splitters and even firewood processors. Yet, I still have not seen any device that will take the split wood and organize it into 2' by 2' or 2' by 4' or 4' by 4' bundles that could be stacked to make 4'by 8'' sections of a cord. GET ON IT YOU ENGINEERING TYPES.
Gotta figure out how to reduce the re-handling of the wood.
Adam! Love the channel brother! Also love the music choices, can you let us know what’s playing each video? Or is there somewhere you already do that? Keep up the great work man!
Your fellow Pennsylvanian, Seth.
I found for respliting, less waste and less time the 4 way seams to be the ticket.. by doing it this way seems counter intuitive.. wouldn't just splitting with the Axis been faster overall?..
While the box blade does create more scrap than the six-way, it is less labor intensive and much of the scrap appears to be suitable for kindling and not just pure waste. Just an opinion from my observation, no first-hand experience.
Scrap wood looks likes kindling to me and folks sell bundles of kindling.
Need to throw the conveyor back on the Axis and have it dump into the totes.
I’d much rather save the labor and time and run the box wedge. Firewood is labor intensive enough as is, I personally wouldn’t want to add another step
recruit a couple football players to help feed the 37D , more hands less work and faster!
What is the name of the log marker to cut lengths
I googled “firewood paint marker” for you. It’s called the Mingo Marker. Costs $35.
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Why not use an 8 or 12 way wedge?
I don’t have one
Yeah, I'll go out and drop 13k on an Axis to save some kindling 😂
I wouldn’t have re-split any of those logs. Perfect size for me! I personally think you split your firewood way too small.
Hire someone cheap to do all the cutting and stacking while you use your smart mind to explore even more revenue streams.
Sell kindling and solve the problem?
Wouldn’t it be easier being an accountant?
But not as much fun!
A lot more stressful
The trailer and bin should be closer, you need to spin not walk. No to minimum steps. Also when splitting roll the rounds to the lift pile them 3 high, use the lift reduce the steps and wear on you back and body. You will not be young forever.
It seems it really comes down to the task and the wood. If all your rounds are actually round and fairly consistently sized, as long as you're not splitting for bundles, then the 37D would be the choice. If you've got not-round rounds or are splitting for bundles, then the Axis would be the better choice. If I had to pick one or the other for my use, which is splitting less than perfect wood for just my use, I'd go with the Axis. Re-splitting on the table looks to be SO much easier. And unlike a box-store horizontal with a side table, the 37D with the 6-way doesn't have a good place to set any wood that needs to be re-split on the next stroke. BTW, I had to fast forward through the head-cam shots. The panning back and forth was a little nausea inducing. Dislike.
There are some 23,179 injuries related to the use of a chain saw occurring in the US evry year! Please do it better next time!
10 million people suffer from carpal tunnel in the US. You should stop typing. It’s dangerous
I'm wondering if @oneeyecustoms can fabricate a box blade for the Eastonmade Axis? Would that increase efficiency and limit waste?
It feels to me like, once you go past a certain size of machine, it becomes more of a 'crew-serviced weapon' type deal. I just reckon these machines aren't optimising their output, because they spend time waiting for their operators to catch up...🤷♂️...👍🪓🇦🇺
That Axis makes such beautiful firewood. I think the #1 priority is the quality of the final product. Efficiency is important, but not if the product suffers. Overall, the Axis is the most valuable of the two. Of course, the BEST machine you can have is another person helping 🤠👍
I think for a solo operation, the Axis vertical splitter is the way to go. Any speed advantage the 37D has with a 6 way wedge is negated by the machine constantly waiting on the operator to feed it. If your end goal is maximizing yield from the firewood rounds and minimizing waste, the Axis is the way to go. Everyone seems to forget the Axis is also meant to bust up those giant gnarly rounds and not just to make perfect size bundle wood.
I would agree. Also, Adam is a hobbyist so the axis is perfect for him. You easily bang out 100 cords a year with the axis no problem at all!
Hey Adam, if you flip the dump trailer and the IBC tote around, so the dump trailer is by the log lift on the axis, you can pre-stage those big pieces that need re-splitting on the log lift so you’re not having to walk between the log splitter, and the trailer and the IBC tote every time you need to re-split a piece of wood. You could just batch it on the log lift, and then re-split all those pieces at once.
That's true and You don't need to run second machine all the time. Maybe You need to start it twice or bit more.
I think if your feed ramp to the trailer was less of an angle, you would have less trouble with the wood feeding onto the conveyor belt.
This is what I was thinking. He’s not loading a dump truck. Lower the angle and I bet he won’t have as much of a problem.
Morning interesting video is the waste Wood worth the extra time for double splitting or would it be simpler just to find some use for the waste Wood or throw it in the fire pit instead of double splitting I’ll be interesting to hear your comment on that probably you’ve already addressed it farther in the video Thanks for the videos
Or the fuel for both machines used to do this.
This was very interesting and well tested. Good to see Neighbor Doug in the beginning.
May I give one honest suggestion?
Get your hand out of there!!!
that splitter cradles the logs, no need to hold it. My point is, that splitter is so fast, it could happen in the blink of an eye.
I’ll help you, but I ain’t wiping your a$$ 😂
You get all the shitty jobs anyway, don't you?
😂😅😊
I enjoy your accountant lens of looking at splitting wood. Hearing percentages brings a smile on.
Not lovin' the headcam and spinning around view early in the second part...
I think the strength of the boxwedge comes in handling and splitting huge rounds. In the grand scheme of things, what is more important to you, minimizing waste or maximizing your time (free time with your family). Either way you create some great firewood and both machines are amazing!
Suggestion: Build a "feeder box or tray" that slant down towards the splitter. Fill it with rounds that will roll f\down to the splitter. Fill the tray with the excavator or skid steer.
I think you are on to something Adam. I know this is obvious, but man is it ever efficient with two people. Anyway, stay safe, healthy and warm. Bill H from Cranberry Township
Its definitely a lot faster with the 6-way wedge and a lot less waste for sure.
I know that the vast majority of the firewood is going to be sold, so resplitting is necessary for easier handling for the customers. If it was for my own personal use, I wouldn't think twice about resplitting. Growing up, we burned firewood and the chunks you had in your trailer we would've kept as is.
I know firewood heats more than once, but handling things more than I need too, kind of starts getting under my skin.
Great video and experiment.
Talking about getting hurt back as u get older,... wait til u go to an exciting action movie and throw your back out, happened to me at Avengers end game, 😂😂😂😂 front row and all kinds of action, 😂😂😂
Ive thrown out my back getting out of bed too, it happens, but ive found that swinging an axe or riding my lawn mower helps out ...of all things.
As well as a styrofoam cylinder, kinds pops it back in 😂
P.s, i think you got er dialed in, as far as ideal wood mfg, with little waste, great work sir. 👍
I’m with you, it also about stewardship, not everything is about efficiency, although I really couldn’t see a downside, great video, you are almost fully recovered from accountancy syndrome…….
I think this could be a great process with a few adjustments. Like you said, its was basically 30 minutes extra work, for twice as much wood, and hardly no waste. Yes you are splitting wood off of your property now, but if you were buying all of your logs it could make a difference.
Nice looking results on your firewood. A little extra time equals better quality control which in turn equals customer satisfaction. Yes wood is wood at the end of the day, but consumers have an expectation how things should look and pay for it.
To be efficient this is a 2 Men or even a 3 Men Job. Showed on the bucking in the beginning. On the other hand it looked like a nice workout and you can be sure your back pain will appear before you lay on the Helix that night.😉
Few guys near me and they use the scrap as fire starter or kindle wood....... I have one neighbour who even grinds the small stuff into a chipper and make fire starters with wax and a wick and sells them along with firewood to the stands .... Everyone has an idea for scrap...
I always thought doing a resplit would be the way to go to eliminate all the big pieces. You can make some sweet firewood with your new process. Maybe even bump the price since every piece is an ideal size.