There are probably more materials that will ignite in cotton fire rolls than those that won’t. We’ll never find out until we solve the “grip problem”! The ashes in cotton fire rolls are the easiest mechanically because the wood ash allows the top and bottom boards to grip, roll, and tighten the fire roll enough to get the ignition. Non-ash fire rolls do not have that grip-ability. They tend to flatten out under the top board, causing it to slide across the top. From the beginning, we’ve used spit and sweat to get temporary grip for the rolling. We’ve also used concrete blocks and textured top boards to help increase the grip. Are we overlooking an easy fix? I’m just brainstorming here, but how about incorporating the juices from grass, residue from dirt, squashed insects, etc.? If you have any ideas or have found a medium or technique that works, please comment below. Please follow the LINKs below and SUBSCRIBE. Thank You! Rudiger Roll, Fire Roll Playlist th-cam.com/play/PLkoXX8XsMW3kLMA7kY_LznhzK5nOrA3Wd.html
Another great one David!!! I know because great ones get my squirrel brain spinning up possible solutions. The outer leaf wrap, like you tried at last, might work if the sap from the leaves were dry. You've got a grinding system with the fireboards so you can grind softer things. Probably flammable things, like charcoal, bark, dry fungus, mushroom spores, ... Might pit your fireboards though. The plant sap, from rolling any green stuff, especially if you wipe it up with the cotton balls and let them dry before rolling. A roll wont get above boiling until the water is gone. Pine resin, unless dry all the way through, could gum up things, otherwise it would be great. Pitch glue might be tough to crush and wont be quite as flammable A rock mortar and pestle, or metate could process harder things, and the rock dust generated would be abrasive.
Resin from a pine or spruce, but it has to be dry and crystalline. Grind it into powder and use as you would ashes. Great for hand drill ws well, does not feel sticky.
For grip use some double sided tape and stick some fine ( 180/240 I’m guessing that would be enough to grip but not be too textured) sand paper to the rolling board. If one wanted to be all outdoorsy how about pine resin and some ash or sand stuck to the rolling board. I have never seen this done before, very interesting.
Interesting challenge to find something naturally occurring that would take the place of the ash.. 🤔 ill think on it for a bit.. but my first thought is dried manure.. 😂 sick as it sounds ill bet it works.. BTW, i finally got a full page magnifier..!! (You know how excited my 12 year old son is now..!!??🤨)
There are probably more materials that will ignite in cotton fire rolls than those that won’t. We’ll never find out until we solve the “grip problem”! The ashes in cotton fire rolls are the easiest mechanically because the wood ash allows the top and bottom boards to grip, roll, and tighten the fire roll enough to get the ignition. Non-ash fire rolls do not have that grip-ability. They tend to flatten out under the top board, causing it to slide across the top.
From the beginning, we’ve used spit and sweat to get temporary grip for the rolling. We’ve also used concrete blocks and textured top boards to help increase the grip. Are we overlooking an easy fix? I’m just brainstorming here, but how about incorporating the juices from grass, residue from dirt, squashed insects, etc.? If you have any ideas or have found a medium or technique that works, please comment below.
Please follow the LINKs below and SUBSCRIBE. Thank You!
Rudiger Roll, Fire Roll Playlist
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Absolutely amazing.
Fire rolling a GREEN leaf is something else.
Thanks for sharing, David 🙏
Glad you enjoyed it
Another great one David!!! I know because great ones get my squirrel brain spinning up possible solutions.
The outer leaf wrap, like you tried at last, might work if the sap from the leaves were dry.
You've got a grinding system with the fireboards so you can grind softer things. Probably flammable things, like charcoal, bark, dry fungus, mushroom spores, ... Might pit your fireboards though.
The plant sap, from rolling any green stuff, especially if you wipe it up with the cotton balls and let them dry before rolling.
A roll wont get above boiling until the water is gone.
Pine resin, unless dry all the way through, could gum up things, otherwise it would be great. Pitch glue might be tough to crush and wont be quite as flammable
A rock mortar and pestle, or metate could process harder things, and the rock dust generated would be abrasive.
Lots to think about.
Another exceptional video. Thanks for sharing
Thanks again!
Great tutorial on the fire roll technique appreciate it Mr west 👍👌🔥
Thanks friend!
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl very welcome love to see the pine resin technique.
Resin from a pine or spruce, but it has to be dry and crystalline. Grind it into powder and use as you would ashes. Great for hand drill ws well, does not feel sticky.
Thanks for the tips!
Good demonstration David, thanks for sharing, YAH bless !
Very welcome!
Hi David! Looks like a opportunity for more experiments. Your pine resin idea is interesting,
It'd have to be just the right amount or it'd pull the roll apart.
Mr,West. Fire 🔥 with green leaves is so cool! Keep up the awesome work 👌
Thank you! Cheers!
Good morning David!
THATS AWSOME
For grip use some double sided tape and stick some fine ( 180/240 I’m guessing that would be enough to grip but not be too textured) sand paper to the rolling board.
If one wanted to be all outdoorsy how about pine resin and some ash or sand stuck to the rolling board.
I have never seen this done before, very interesting.
Natural and readily available is what I'm looking for.
Is there an alternative if you don't have a flat board to roll and table?
See my fire roll playlist... split boards, rocks, bark, etc.
How about some kind of evergreen rosin that you could find on a tree?
I'll be trying it.
Interesting challenge to find something naturally occurring that would take the place of the ash.. 🤔 ill think on it for a bit.. but my first thought is dried manure.. 😂 sick as it sounds ill bet it works.. BTW, i finally got a full page magnifier..!! (You know how excited my 12 year old son is now..!!??🤨)
The most powerful small solar ignitor.
Cool stuff as always David!👊🏻😁
Thanks for the visit
Would you not be able to use a light amount of dust from dry ground soil?
might
When you said sticky substance, I thought about milk weed with that sticky white stuff on the inside of the plant.
Hopefully I can find something more common.
Sand.
Might be to coarse. I'm thinking dirt smear maybe.
Wait! You are really a magician who is fooling us with your magic? 🥴
I’m definitely foolin around.