Casting a bronze miniature + Plate Adhesions / Priming - by VOGMAN
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ต.ค. 2020
- Thanks to 3D Resin printers, 40mm miniatures are packed with great detail. But can they be cast in bronze? I took my Phrozen Sonic 4K, printed a mini by Archvillain Games using Bluecast X10 Castable Resin, and gave it a go.
I also took a look at build plate adhesion problems and suggested my own technique of using a printable prime coat.
Enjoy! 😁
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Your prime coat idea is simply genius and I'm a little surprised no one has done it before. I suppose having a full build plate kind of qualifies, but you definitely get credit in my book.
Glad it was helpful 😁
The little dude looked great. It's great to see that small detail picked up so well.
I was very surprised. The resin picked up more detail than I thought it would and the casting gods were clearly smiling on me that day... I really must sacrifice another lump of charcoal in their honour 😁😁😁
It is amazing what you can do with a 3D printer and castable resin but don’t forget about the two furnaces and vacuum chamber also. I’ve got a Mars pro and am currently saving up for two furnaces and a chamber. Your videos have been great help in my research and I’m sure that when I get my hands on all the required equipment they will be helpful in the experimentation process as well! Thank you!!!
Absolutely true... but witout the printer and resin, the ovens et al are useless 😁😁😁
If you haven't seen this video, do check it out - th-cam.com/video/qxj5eUkAFUI/w-d-xo.html - I started this hobby on a budget so small I was told it couldn't be done. but I found my own ways. It's still far from free, but some of these DIY projects can save you a bundle.
@@vogman I’ve been working my way through your videos, all great by the way. Thanks again!
Bloody brilliant the adhesion fix.
Many thanks Paul 😁😁😁
That mini came out fantastic!
Very nice detail on that Dr. Jekyl.
Now, on to making a Mr Hyde! :D
That would be a complete set!
Thanx for a great vid Geoff!
I come for the casting, stay for the voice! awesome works sir!
He came out amazing!
He's a happy little chap... just don't mess with Dr Jekyll when he's had a drink 😆😆😆
I do the same thing as your prime coat, I have a file I just drop in and center that's the size of the plate, and 0.15mm thick(3 layers). I will sometimes change it's size in Chitubox if I am doing a small project, to somewhere around double the main objects footprint. Works like a charm. I've found no need to increase my base cure time though.
That’s awesome I love it good job!!! 👍😁
Thank you! Cheers! 😁
that side project for the son's girlfriend look speciously like an engagement ring...
Don't go there!!!
No, no diamonds and no gold... but gems and silver, eventually. I'll share it if we ever perfect it. It's 100% his design, so I'm a very proud dad. He's done a great job.
But I'm in no hurry to be a father-in-law just yet 😁😁😁
@@vogman Skipping father-in-law and going straight to grandpa? ;) :P
That casted mini looks amazing :)
Fantastic!
Many thanks!
brilliant as always
Thanks James 😁
Another great video VOG!
Glad you enjoyed!
That was an awesome casting.
Many thanks 😁😁😁
such a great cast as u said so much detail reven in bronze
So good always love your work
Thank you so much 😀
We ain't coming for the camerwork my man. We are coming for the self-depracating humor and useful advice.
So if I can get a self-defacing camera, I'm on to a winner 😁😁😁👍👍👍
Missed this one earlier, but I love this mini.
Many thanks : )
Very nice miniature. I've thought if I ever get into metal casting, I'd do silicone bronze for parts used on boats.
To be honest, any bronze is good. It flows nice, has great strength and doesn't rust. It's an excellent material 😊
Holy shite! The detail of the miniature is impressive! Great work again Geoff!
Thanks Dan. He came out nicely I think. I'm quite pleased with him 😁😁😁
Hermosa técnica y trabajo, espero poder realizarlo alguna ocasión, gracias por compartirlo
Estoy seguro de que tú también puedes hacerlo. Mucha suerte mi amigo 😁
Nice one! ITS SO TINY!!
It shocked me as well 😊😊😊
Great video as always!
Glad you enjoyed!
I have always depended on your content and actually working in the industry advice and tips/tricks to guide me along on my resin printing adventures. Thanks again for sharing your Prime Plate Concept and now I will do the same, just add the file in The Box. That method has saved me from countless fails because they don't happen anymore. As I progress in my need to get better at this, I was wondering if you have every tried using additives like ceramic dust or even metal powders with Resins?
Thanks for the videos! I'm interested in trying this myself and am looking at furnaces. Are you able to use your table-top electric furnace for this complete process? I notice you also have a gas furnace... what are the advantages of this?
Very nice! Casting some custom minis is the goal I have been working toward.
Frankly I was shocked how much detail is still there after casting. These work brilliantly 😀😀😀
@@vogman I am not sure how well the silicon bronze flows compared to art brass or aluminum, but if I can get things up to that level with those materials I will be very happy! Thanks for all the information and entertain videos!
Very impressive.
Thanks Andrew 😁
Very nice
Thanks James 😊
Nice job. That was an interesting pour there. 😂
Glad you enjoyed it
Have you ever considered trying to cast an aluminium mold for injection molding? That seems like an interesting project, and I cannot say I've seen it done before.
VOG killing it as usual. Your casts are getting cleaner with every video. I'm a fan of Bluecast CR3A myself.
Side Note: that ring prob needs an extra sprue. I can post an example pic to your patreon if you're interested.
I just can't get along with CR3A... too much faffing and it's a heavy resin needing thick supports. X10 is much easier for this novice 😁
As for demos of how it should be done, I'm always happy to learn from the experts 👍👍👍
Talking of which, I'm just watching Tomas at work.
Recently found your channel after i got another spur of the moment idea to try metalcasting down the line as i'm looking into getting a resin printer next year. Where do you buy your ingots and roughly how much do you use per cast?
I love how informative your videos are, thank you so much producing such high quality content. I am a sculpture and jewelry teacher in the US at the high school level. I am looking into including 3d printing into my jewelry program. I really like the Elegoo Mars Pro 2. In your opinion - should I start off with one printer and see how it handles the work load of my students or should I just buy two off the bat? I imagine that you can print several pieces of jewelry at a time (5,10, 15)?
Also, what do you recommend is the best casting resin?
Finally, do the freshly printed pieces require washing and curing like normal printing resin? I am also thing of purchasing the Elegoo Mercury Plus 2 in 1 wash and curing machine as well.
I know these are a lot of questions. I will understand if you can't answer them all. Either way, I am very appreciative of all that you do.
Go on then. Elephant in the room. The unmelted piece of bronze? Trying to figure that out 🤔 Great cast, fantastic details. 👍
You mean the slither I slow-mo'd? It did melt, believe me, but it cooled as I poured and formed the perfect shape of the cylinder. But I loved the glorious colour show. It fascinated me at the time of the pour and the recording didn't really do it justice 😁
Wow wouldn’t have expected that. Thanks for explaining as I couldn’t figure what had happened.
@VOG thanks for your vids, great for us live steam guys. Do you think 1100 degrees C max for the electric furnace for silicon bronze is enough heat, or should the furnace be able to heat to, say, 1200 degrees C? Most electric furnaces on the market only get to 1100 degrees max, I fear this is not enough for silicon bronze. Your thoughts? In your experience can the controllers be “hacked” to get to 1200 degrees C?
printing the prime coat is genius. noted!
Glad you like it!
I would like to print small flat ornaments directly on the printer platform without the support structure. can it be done so that later such a printout does not break when peeled off?
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Is there ANY way to melt out wax/pla in a kitchen oven and then do the burnout in an oil furnace? I really want to try lost wax/pla casting but i don´t have a burnout oven.
That looks fantastic! Where did you get all the casting equipment, like the flask, furnace, vacuum, etc.? Are you a jeweler by profession or hobby?
thanks to your videos, I decided to try metal casting too. I'm just finishing a mold oven project. I got a metal melting furnace, and I'm finishing a vacuum casting chamber project. i just miss the 3d printer. i would like to buy a phrozen sonic mini 4k but i am still collecting the money needed. I hope that I will succeed and that I will finally pour some bronze. I apologize for the poor English...
Your English is excellent 😁👍👍👍
The 4K mini sounds like an excellent printer. Good luck to you my friend.
such a great job !!!! Merci :) :) :)
Glad you like it! 😊😊😊
Have you ever thought of doing narration?
You have the perfect voice for reading children's books.
With his sense of humor he would probably sneak in something inappropriate for children :P
Harry Potter and the Goblin Princess? Harry Potter and the Heir of Uranus? Harry Potter and the Four King Monkeys?
I know them all 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈
Moi?
Picture of innocence me... 😈😈😈
You will have the coolest character on the board
Well I certainly wouldn't be the coolest PLAYER at the board 😊😊😊
@@vogman spend some time developing your characters voice and personality and you will be!
The voice lets me down every time 😁
Stupid question perhaps, how well does bronze save details of a cast?
You don't by any chance have a list of equipment you use or would be interested in doing an equipment overview video. I am interested in the small forge you are using, size power, brand etc. Any chance you could let us know, it would be greatly appreciated.
Also love all the wonderful things you are making and I have really got into this now. Just purchased a Elegoo Mars and I am desperate to give this a try.
I have the Mars elegoo and after watching your video I’m contemplating buying a phrozen sonic 4K but I’m using power cast burn. I have burn and wax I know you prefer casting the wax my caster actually prefers burn. Do you prefer the blue cast over both of those? I’m printing and casting jewelry in gold
In honesty they're all good. The Sonic 4K will have no trouble with any of those resins and will give you excellent detail.
@@vogman I didn’t know the phrozen sonic 4K could use power cast burn so thanks for that ! I haven’t seen settings for it anywhere. Any idea on settings on phrozen at 35 micron?
That's amazing. I have absolutely zero knowledge in regards to CAD jewellery. Any advice on how to acquire the skills necessary would be welcome as this is something I would love to do.
Interestingly, I'm currently reviewing an online jewellery course. Give me a couple of weeks at it will be released 😁
Where do you get your silicone bronze from?
Have you ever tried using regular resin ? I just how bad the burn out would be ? Part of me wants to try it. Just to see if it’s even possible as the blue cast resin is pretty expensive
Mathew... tut, tut... you've not been keeping up 😊😁
A couple of weeks ago th-cam.com/video/8p7I8IVmpSo/w-d-xo.html I used wax, castable resin, ordinary resin and pla all at the same time 👍👍👍
VOG wow I’m an idiot I completely forgot about that video!! :(
We have a very affordable commercial license for casters and printers on our kickstarter :P hahah.. Brilliant video man. love the finish! admirable skill!
Well, they SHOULD have a package for us... we're a growing community :-)
I wanted to make the point clear. If I hadn't I would have had dozens of comments accusing me of ripping off Archvillain Games. Having checked with them, and others, I know they have no problem with their fans casting or printing their models... but obviously they frown upon folks re-selling their work, and who wouldn't?
I had exactly the same thing once...
I started out in TH-cam thanks to my interest in Veg Oil motoring. I developed and shared a wonderfully simple method to filter used veg oil. There was one guy who couldn't grasp it and I exchanged dozens of emails explaining it all.
A few weeks later I found out he was giving professional talks of "his" filtering system and charging folks for it. Cheeky sod! I soon stopped it 😉
@@vogman Hahahahaaha what a character! you should cast him in iron!!!!!!!
@@vogman I would absolutely be delighted to see you cast our minis. lol that would be so hype! We cut 400 euro of off our commercial license for our current kickstarter. To celebrate the opening. I am curious how many people will cast them in metal.
Coolcool
😁😁😁
You aaaaalmost have me about to get a resin printer and expand from my investment and greensand castings. Amazing detail!
Question to clarify something - did you mean 80 grit sandpaper or 800 grit on the mirror to make the plate flat? 80 seems a bit harsh.
Thanks for all the time you spend sharing all that you do! 😀
80 grit. You need that texture. 800 grit would be pretty much like polishing it which is the exact opposite of what you want haha
The basic elegoo is just 200. The pro is just 250. It's really nothing considering the detail.
No, honestly, 80 grit. Some use 60 grit. It sounds harsh but you should only be using consistent "firm" (not hard) pressure and it's metal after all. In the unlikely event that it scored it badly (it won't), then just switch to 200, then 400, then 600, etc, but really, the results you saw here were 80 grit paper. It works.
I use 600, 800, 1000, 2000 grit on my models and jewellery, so I know the difference 😁
@@vogman ah, nice! Thanks for clarifying!
I love the built in prime coat. I printed 12 solid models on my Phrozen Mini and had 7 fail at some point (4 never even started) and the others still were a little warped. Printed it with the prime layer (no other changes) and had 12 perfect models.
Follow up question - This isn't really applicable in your case with a raft and supports, but for direct to plate prints, have you considered doing tabs to the print (like you see in CNC cutouts) to make detaching the prime coat easier in post-processing? It would be something that would be done in the design phase instead of Chitubox, but I think it would be wonderfully easy to clean up. I would love Chitubox to even add a feature built in with a few different options for this style of support structure.
Thanks Aaron. It's a very simple idea but it works very well. Some people say "what a waste of resin," but as you've experienced, you waste MUCH more when you have a failed print.
I like the tabs idea... it's a clever touch. But I'm lazy and I like easy. If you watch a few more of my videos you'll see the prime coat appear quite a lot. It's thin and comes off the plate easily. After a quick wash, I easily bend and snap it into manageable sections. Only then do I reach for the cutters.
But if you give your idea a go, let me know how you get on 😊👍👍👍
@@vogman I'll definitely give it a go and let you know. I see the tabs being much more useful on repeat projects than one offs. It would be amazing to get any of this integrated with Chitubox
Can it be output with Photon Mono X?
Thanks for sharing. Really interesting level of detail you can achieve. I am VERY new to metal casting with plaster. Have done few ALU in green sand. Well will give it a try! -and now I found you and realize you have done some fantastic experience with lost wax and use of plaster. Have now printed my first ring in castable resin and have had great success in making my own vacuum chamber for both plaster and mold! Actually I have made two ovens both can reach 1300 deg C. -one with PID regulation and other with Segment progs. So it should now be possible to make a first bronce cast..:) I have one mayor question...What temperature is advisable to raise plaster mold into before puring in metal (mounted in vacuum)? I guess melting point temp. of the specific metal? or what can you recommend. Another question...:) will the plaster mold be unuseable if cold down after vapour the wax (after segmented heated) for making the pouring in metal later? Hope you have time to help me out before I enter maybe many false paths...from a Danish Fan...
You sound very industrious. Well done!
Temperatures vary but you want the flask lower temp than the crucible, typically between 400 and 600c. It depends a lot on the metal and on what you're castings. It's a matter of fine-tuning until you find what works for you.
Best of luck 😁👍👍👍
Hi Geoff. Thanks for guide. Just having lots of fun in the workshop.😁 thanks for your work and share.
Good
Thanks
Where do one go for the bronze bar.
Hi VOG, thanks for your vids, great for us live steam guys. Noticed the bronze solidified partly on pouring. Do you think 1100 degrees C max for the electric furnace for silicon bronze is enough heat, or should the furnace be able to heat to, say, 1200 degrees C? Most electric furnaces on the market only get to 1100 degrees max, I fear this is not enough for silicon bronze. Your thoughts? In your experience can the controllers be “hacked” to get to 1200 degrees C?
Actually Darin I have that set at 1020C and I find I'm getting closer to perfect now. Hotter is not always better. It's a funny process, you want it solidifying the moment it lands... if it sits just a second or two in can oxidise and spoil. So believe me, for Bronze, 1100c is working just great 😁
Is the wax the toy?
A quick question...how hot is the flask, when you put it in the vacuum for pouring? Gaskets?
Personally I drop the flask down to around 450C but this is one of those personal choice things. I've heard stories of temperatures between 350 and 650. The gaskets cope at the lower temp end quite well but do not replacing after several casts.
@@vogman thanks. Always wondered about that.
My GOD man, that is incredible, but you say castable resin and 3d printer, but miss out the expensive furnace and vacuum chamber!
Love your work tho, that has sooooo much potential!
Shhhh.... my wife sometimes reads these comments...
You mean my cheap and frugal equipment 😁
But in fairness, if you watch this video th-cam.com/video/qxj5eUkAFUI/w-d-xo.html I started this hobby on a budget so small I was told it couldn't be done.
@@vogman I've been following you since the oil burners dude... I'm still on the home made gas bottle and FDM in plaster stage!
Good man!!!
You'll get there. Rome wasn't built in a day... good things take time 😁👍👍👍
Do you go though the full 12hour burn out cycle on every cast or do you get away with taking it to 650c for a few hours then pouring?
Yep... it's long but necessary
@@vogman can you change you answer based on what i WANT to hear instead? Haha it is a very time consuming step in the whole process.
How much would you say it costs in electricity for the furnace and burnout oven for most of your castings?
Would you say you use less energy with the gas counterparts of the burnout and furnace?
I never say how much it costs... I never look. What if my wife found out? 😁😁😁😁
I've been doing it a while and I'm not divorced yet, so whilst there's no doubt it costs money with electricity, it also costs money with gas, charcoal, oil or whatever. Electricity is quieter and cleaner and the lack of divorce proceeding leads me to believe it can't be that bad... 😀😂😁
@@vogman I just think you have either a marriage cast in gold or a pre-nup as strong as mandalorian beskar :]]
Thanks for the useful info elec is potentially my route. There are newer induction style furnaces now supposedly much more time efficient i don't suppose you have used one over the conventional heated element? i presume it will only work on ferrous metals too.
is there a how to/walk through from this guy from starting with fusion 360/stl file all the way to finished item? I really like thus channel and would like to try this out myself but am only fimilar with 3d printing. not casting
Hi Brian. It was casting that got me into 3D printing and then jewellery design (I never thought that would happen), so now I have three hobbies which I love 😁
Fusion 360 is completely free for amateur use and there are plenty of good quality tutorials out there on other channels.
Have you tried White Bronze?
Where did you get your casting set up from?
I've been doing it a while. I started with a lot of home made stuff which you can see on this video th-cam.com/video/qxj5eUkAFUI/w-d-xo.html and every update since has been shared on my Channel 😊
Hi, I had sticking trouble before, a lot disappeared when I set the Z-lift lower, to 1.
Learned it from another channel.
I will however try your prime method
I've never heard of that one 😊
Cheers for primecoat tip be checking it today .....is it a plane? is it a bird? is it a double entendres spewing super hero? YES YES ITS VEGOILGUY !!!
Thanks Gary. The prime coat method really does work wonders 👍👍👍
Hey, cool, I just subscribed before you posted this.
I wanted to ask if you could try printing out a miniature/model in wax and metal-casting it---
Holy crap, nevermind. That is literally what this video is.
Thank you. It's even a Phrozen Sonic 4K miniature.
Glad it helped 😁😁😁
Can you point me In the direction of how to obtain the prime coat file? Or how to build my own
Here you go Eric. You may need to change the dimensions to fit your plate. Just use the slicer to do that 😊
www.thingiverse.com/thing:3992869
Thank you for such a quick reply. Would you recommend to sand the build plate before using the prime coat or is that not needed
There's usually no need. If nothing sticks, maybe, but if most resins stick, all is fine. 😁
OK cool. I'm currently having an issue with two kinds of castable resin a cheap one from alphasense and power resin burn. I have had no luck with them sticking to the build plate. Hoping the prime layer file will help
Just double your bottom layer count and use the prime coat. Works like a charm 😁
your sons girlfriends a lucky girl 😁 free selfmade jewelry is definitely a plus...
It's also an advantage to me. If I can produce something that looks the part at a fraction of the cost, I've saved a bundle 😁😁😁
I don't know. never have I primed my phrozen printer. perhaps it's just with blue cast. blue cast is a bit spoiled needs special treatment.
Bluecast is famous for its sticking issues, but in the past I had similar troubles with Powerresins. When I used my Mars, folks said "It's not powerful enough, you need a Phrozen. That will stick." So when I got the Sonic 4K I was excited to try Bluecast without my prime coat approach... it failed. So now I use the prime coat method which costs pennies but works an absolute treat 😁
@@vogman try sanding the build plate. perhaps this will help. I did this for blue cast on my old photon.
I cast a bronze every morning !
Could I actually commission you to print out, and do a metal cast of a miniature, by any chance? 50mm base, and a miniature that's probably 75mm tall, 75mm wide?
Also, how would you say the detail compares to the print itself?
That's just a little too big for me right now. I'm set up for smaller things unfortunately... sorry 😢
@@vogman Perfectly okay. I'm going through your other bluecast videos and found the bluecast group. I figure I'll ask there.
I've got a friend making a biiiig board game and I just want to try and gift him something nice. :)
You could “sell” them if you have people purchase the file from the creator and then you market it as a printing service rather than the piece itself. Just a thought, not that I think that’s something you’re actually interested in.
I've often thought that casting miniatures from silver would be a much cooler way to keep silver than ingots. I would go ahead and paint them up like normal and would be thieves would be none the wiser.
Very clever 😊👍👍👍
nice mini my man, but aye how you going to show a ring and then tell us to ignore it. that's like putting a big red button in front of us and telling us not to push it. tell me your recording it to release the full creation after the project at least? I see what could be some settings on the side? are you all doing a mock up including stones? I would love to see it.
It's not ready yet... eventually it will be silver and cast in the next few weeks. Of course I'll show it 😊
those prongs on the ring looked super thin
Time will tell 😁
Very nice. Always impressed with the fine detail you can get with your process. 👍🤓
I want to do a very intricate silver ring project, but don't have necessary equipment.
Would love it if you checked out my latest casting project.
I'd love to see it. If you fancy sending me images or even an STL, first email via www.vegoilguy.co.uk/contact_general.php . After that we'll be able to exchange emails in the usual way 😁👍👍
so tiny your casts are getting. better every vid was disappointed bout no lame jokes tho lol
Sometimes the funnies refuse to slip out, much to the relief of my audience 😁😁😁
@@vogman hahaha i love it
😄
Hope your son's girlfriend doesn't watch your channel - you've just buggered her surprise ring - which is the sort of remark that should amuse you no end.
Yes, with my typical schoolboy humour, I chuckled as I read your comment. Truly Voggish statement that 😁😁😁
Who needs a metal 3d printer when casting exist 😄
HAAHAHA PROPER CONSENT AHHAHAHAHA Laughs in China !
Now now, we need to respect our artists 😊
@@vogman Here is something i found ,maybe it can improve your casting skills even more th-cam.com/video/m6W71s-cd_0/w-d-xo.html
Guy is interesting ,looks like he did this for years!
I know you dont do sand casting anymore (now you are fancy sponsored guy),but i think principle applys the same th-cam.com/video/GwqENPFqPBM/w-d-xo.html
Sponsored????? If only...
I'm lucky enough to get the odd freebie to review, but I've never taken money from anyone for a video or a review. I think those luxuries belong to the six-figure TH-camrs 😁😁😁
Very nice
Hope your son’s girl doesn’t watch your channel lol
I can't get my son to watch my videos, never mind his girlfriend 😁😁😁