The 844 is just along for the ride, the Big Boy 4014 is doing all the work pulling both the 844 and the double size diesel 2650 which is also part of the Union Pacific museum collection. I have read the 2650 does help brake in this configuration, and is also there as a backup in case of problems, but the 4014 can easily pull them all and more. Amazing to watch the 4014 beast in action. It's living breathing history.
@@andrewarmstrong7310 I always wondered why all of that power was on the front for basically 12 cars. The Big Boy is capable of pulling that AND some. :-))
It can pull enormous loads. Only the SD90MAC and the DDA40X are diesels that have operated in North America that have higher horsepower ratings and its tractive effort is way up the list as well.
Without question, the finest, most SUPERB filming of Big Boy #4014 to date, railfaning at its very best indeed! This is Hollywood level filming and it's brilliant! THANK YOU for this 20 out of 10 production, I'm subscribing right NOW! BRAVO!!
I like how the cars on the freeway in the distance in 9:30 going the same direction as the train are all trying to keep pace with the locomotives. I imagine for some of those drivers who didn't know too much about the Big Boy, or weren't big railfans in general, seeing two big steam locomotives in action together as they were driving down the freeway must have been a big surprise, and a very unique, and memorable experience.
My dad worked for union Pacific for a long time and I only wish he were still alive to be able to see this beautiful locomotive in action can't wait to see the big boy here in Abilene Kansas
Fantastic footage! You can see the extreme difference in wheel diameters between 4014 having 68" drivers against 844's 80" drivers. Well done and thanks for sharing this gem.
Its due to the work the two locomotives were supposed to do back in the day: 844, despite being capable of hauling freight, is primarily a passenger locomotive, whereas 4014 was a freight locomotive from the start, thus the difference in the size of the driving wheels.
This is great! It's pretty clear from this shot that 4014 was doing most of the work climbing the grade towards Wasatch. You don't really hear 844's stack at all.
This is some outstanding footage. Even though I was there, it kind of dawned on me watching this just now that I still don't really believe it happened. Surreal.
Agreed, this was the first mainline steam excursion I experienced and to have that be the largest steam locomotive in the world (and a double header no less) was mind-blowing.
@@NorfKhazad I always wanted to see doubleheaded steam, but once you've seen a UP 4000 and an 800 together; in a way it kind of leaves you nowhere to go. That being said, I sure wouldn't turn down the chance to see basically any other combination of doubleheaded steam locomotives. lol
Well, for ME, this is a runaway BEST chase choo-choo video out there. My daughter is a film director and we were both admiring the shoot quality and ability of the watcher to be "involved." Absolutely awesome. A keeper!! Thanks for braving the dangers.
Beautiful shots! I love the different views and ability to hear the power coming from those pistons. I have a love for steam engines more than any ever. Great video, Thanks for sharing!
Nashville's 576 went to the shed this winter after 50+ years sitting in Centennial Park. We're hoping it'll make a comeback soon. In the meantime, UP 4014 and 844 are providing a wealth of footage. And that whistle. That whistle.
I live in Lebanon, which is just east of Nashville. I always see the two Music City Star locos make their ways back and forth between Nashville and Lebanon. When I heard that they were restoring 576, I was super excited. I'm too young to have ever seen her in her prime, but have always wanted to see a steamer be used in Nashville. My hope is that once they finish restoring 576, I would be able to see her being used to pull the Star through Lebanon! It would be amazing to see her thundering through the historic square!
Absolutely wonderful! Great capture and most enjoyable to watch on the big TV with the sound turned up. I hope you will film the trip of the Big Boy 4014 when it goes east.
Sadly no, I can't swing the cost of another trip like this any time soon. I will get out to film the Big Boy again at some point however. Particularly if they ever run it with 3985.
Now THAT'S American (American Locomotive Company [ALCO]), and they signify the AMERICAN can do - will do spirit. Thanks to the Steam Crew and the Union Pacific Railroad - America IS great !
From about 2:45 to about 4:24 there was periodic flashes of fire below the engine of 844 , just in front of the cab -- could that have been the ash removal system at work? What else could it be?
@@NorfKhazad -- Thanks, yeah the fact that its not a coal fired engine would eliminate the need for an ash pan, but I would have imagined a modification to prevent hot gases or flame from exiting from the bottom as visible flame would reduce efficiency and increase the risk of starting a fire, a wildfire. And, I'd never seen that before.
The Big Boy has an interesting cyclic sound, sort of a combined snort and whoop. I suspect it's a resonance in the long pipes bringing exhaust steam from the aft engine to the smokebox.
More steam trains need to be put back into service for short and cross country travel. If I had my way, all working steam trains would be. I would also have all of the forgotten, abandoned steam, EMD diesels and other rare trains found, restored and put back into service. More people today need to experience what it was like to travel back in the hey day of steam and early diesel trains.
UP 844 is the longest operating steam locomotive on any American railroad, it was put in storage in 1959 and removed from storage in 1961 for the UP heritage fleet. It has never been retired from service. All the big boys were retired.
Very true. 844 is an impressive machine in its own right. If anything seeing it alongside the Big Boy just emphasizes how large it really is, particularly its drivers.
WOW- BIG BOY and a 4-8-4 Booster engine.. LOVE this video- great job.. just had eye surgery , but I think I'm correct... 4-8-8-4 and 4-8-4 booster engine..that's a LOT of steam power..
Instead of the big boy pulling a train 5 Miles long alone, with the big boy and challenger together, they can pull a freight train almost 10 miles long. If that ever happens.
Well the wheels wouldn't lock up. That's only in thomas and friends, which is unrealistic. The braking would cause a squeaking noise and the engine would slowly stop
I’m new to this arena of machinery, trains are a new found love for me and to be specific steam trains they are majestic, I’ve mostly been interested in aviation,trucks, and motorcycles, basically with an engine I love, but trains never seem to come to me except recently. I have a question, why do the trains make small amounts of white smoke sometimes and other times they make a gigantic white cloud of smoke? And also how do these things operate for some reason I can’t wrap my head around how they work
The "smoke" is actually mostly water vapor from condensing steam. Steam locomotives use the expanding force of steam in their cylinders to push pistons back and forth which are used to drive the wheels. When the steam has been used it is released out the stack where it cools and condenses into water vapor. You get more visible vapor when the locomotive is working harder because it is using more steam, but you also get much more visible vapor when it is cold out because the steam condenses faster. You will also see black smoke coming out of the stack sometimes but this only occurs when more fuel is being fed into the fire than can be burned with the current amount of airflow through the firebox. The airflow through the firebox is determined by how much steam is being used because before it leaves the stack it is used to create draft and suck air through the boiler tubes and the firebox. Therefore a locomotive that is working harder uses more steam and creates more firebox draft allowing more fuel to be burned. This is very similar to a turbocharger on an internal combustion engine where the exhaust gases drive a turbine that forces air into the cylinders, however in an internal combustion engine the fuel is automatically fed into the engine in the correct ratio to the amount of air. In a steam locomotive fuel is manually controlled by the fireman so sometimes too much fuel is provided and the locomotive belches lots of unburnt fuel out the stack producing black smoke. As for how the rest of the locomotive works there are plenty of good videos on youtube about that.
I didn't notice it, but then I was looking at 4014 (who wouldn't be?). Now I look at it, it looks like it's from the 1930s or 40s. Is this in a desert region? The sand blowing around could be keeping the steel looking like new. - Dennis
This is beautiful footage with amazing quality. What type of camera and software are you using to capture images of this quality? Its definitely upgrade time for me.
@@MasterViseOMG Well, i don't want to start an arguement, but yeah the were costly to operate. You need to know how much Union Pacific invested in this hulk and how much it'll cost to repair and send it on excursions! Probably 10's of millions of dollars.Yes, it can be dangerous to. Look at what happened to the 4005, and theres a fair chance that could happen to the 4014, too! But i only said that for a meme. (Use Code Lazar in the Fortnite item shop)
I agree Joel. Everything costs something - to build, maintain and repair if it breaks. The pay off is our enjoyment of it which is HUGE. Sorry Juanita, I think you're out-voted. Dennis
Can a steam expert here explain what causes the bright flashing under the the 844 between the rear wheels and the main body. It's intermittent but fairly constant at the same time. It almost looks like static electricity or leaking fuel igniting. Is it normal for the 844 type locomotive to do that?
The 844 has been an oil burner for a long time. It's likely much of her ashpan has been removed since it isn't necessary for an oil burner. As a result you can see into the bottom of the firebox pretty well. Why exactly it flashes like that instead of seeing a steady flame I'm not sure.
4014 looks so perfect and natural, it's made for the rails. Great video, well shot. It's 20th July 2019 and so far 17 Thumbs Down? Oh well...it takes all types... I v'e just noticed your avatar: Virginian Railway - Triplex 2-8-8-8-4, 2-8-8-2's, 2-10-10-2's, Split-Phase electric locos (EL-3A @ 7125 HP), 6-axle Hopper Cars.
Yeah for a little railroad the Virginian had some of the most incredible equipment. It's definitely my personal favorite. Pity almost none of it survives today.
I've since realised I forgot another one: 2-6-6-6 I've got models (1:87 HO)of the Triplex and the 2-6-6-6 and I would love to get one of the 2-10-10-2.
A lot of people including myself thought that for a while, but I found a video of the 4014 departing Ogden which clearly shows the cylinder cocks open on the rear engine, blowing just as much steam as the front. It seems the front cylinder packing was just leakier than the rear.
So they could have them come together head to head at Ogden to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the completion of the transcontinental railroad. Also because it looks cool.
It all comes down to communication between the two engineers. Unlike the Diesel locomotives of today, steam locos cannot be in a Multi-Unit (or MU for short) consist to be controlled by just one person. Each steam locomotive has to have a driver behind the throttle and both have to be in near perfect synchronization when starting or stopping the double header. It takes communication and strong teamwork for them to work in unison.
Volksdude has it correct. What makes it more impressive is to think that back in the days of steam they didn't have radios. So they had to synchronize multiple engines (often times one of them being on the back of the train) without direct voice communication.
The diesel was there to provide electric power for the passenger cars, and to provide dynamic braking to provide a load for the big boy to pull against during the break in of the new parts.
@@brucejones2354 The diesel didn't provide power, it's a freight locomotive and not equipped for head end power generation. That's why they had the generator cars in the train.
Another thing it's useful to understand: The throttle doesn't directly control speed, it controls torque. The more you open the throttle the more steam flows to the cylinders and the more torque is applied to the pistons and through the rods, the wheels. That means you can have two locomotives applying different amounts of torque but running at the same speed. All the engineer in a second locomotive is trying to do is ensure they are always pulling on the locomotive behind them, rather than being pushed by it, or switching back and forth between pulling and being pushed. An experienced engineer can tell which is happening by feeling the slack action and (I expect) by listening to their locomotive's stack talk.
That/this is awesome...one more, you can see flame beneath the firebox on 844, but i don't see it on 4014...is that the difference between the oil firing conversion on 4014 during the restoration, and i am assuming 844 is the traditional coal firing firebox?
@@grahamlivingstone1068 Both 844 and 4014 are oil fired, but I'm fairly certain 844 was built as oil fired to begin with. My guess was that 4014 has a more substantial ash pan arrangement (even if some of it has been removed) which blocks the visibility of the oil fire more than on 844.
Anybody know why the 4014 blows exhaust up so much better than the 844? I know they tried the smoke deflectors on a Big Boy back in the day but took them off because they weren't needed. But the Challenger needs them as does the 844, just wondering if anybody knows what the design difference is.
I don't know for certain, but my guess is the long boiler in the Big Boy probably provides stronger draft, thereby ejecting the exhaust more forcefully.
@@NorfKhazad I would conclude the opposite as a longer boiler means longer tubes and greater friction. I would expect something with the design of the big venturi steam ejector thing in the bottom of the stack.
@@wiredforstereo Makes sense. The higher volume of steam consumed (and exhausted) by the Big Boy likely contributes to the effectiveness of the venturi as well.
Nate the Great The regular tender. (The black one) they added the yellow tender’s because for longer rides. The tender on leader can fill up a swimming pool. Yep, they consumed lots of water.
@@gearheaddave9639 the diesel locomotive is a freight type locomotive, which means they dont have any hotel electricity capability as express passenger type locomotive (american freight type locomotive can be identified with their ulitarian look along with having cat walks and doesnt using cowl design)
![[4K] Pacing Big Boy 4014 & 844 Through Weber Canyon in Snow - 60 fps](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/DqQdoISXDLE/mqdefault.jpg)
Brilliant camera work bravo! What magnificent trains!!!! God bless America
The 844 is just along for the ride, the Big Boy 4014 is doing all the work pulling both the 844 and the double size diesel 2650 which is also part of the Union Pacific museum collection. I have read the 2650 does help brake in this configuration, and is also there as a backup in case of problems, but the 4014 can easily pull them all and more. Amazing to watch the 4014 beast in action. It's living breathing history.
No the 844 is under steam, watch the stack and the firebox, the diesels are along for the ride.
The 2650 is not a "Double size diesel" Its a regular production ET44AC. Your confusing it with the 6936 DDA40X
@@andrewarmstrong7310 I always wondered why all of that power was on the front for basically 12 cars. The Big Boy is capable of pulling that AND some. :-))
It can pull enormous loads. Only the SD90MAC and the DDA40X are diesels that have operated in North America that have higher horsepower ratings and its tractive effort is way up the list as well.
@@scythelord there's a few more than just those two, even when excluding everything except diesels.
Without question, the finest, most SUPERB filming of Big Boy #4014 to date, railfaning at its very best indeed! This is Hollywood level filming and it's brilliant! THANK YOU for this 20 out of 10 production, I'm subscribing right NOW! BRAVO!!
Thanks, always nice to hear when people like my work.
I like how the cars on the freeway in the distance in 9:30 going the same direction as the train are all trying to keep pace with the locomotives.
I imagine for some of those drivers who didn't know too much about the Big Boy, or weren't big railfans in general, seeing two big steam locomotives in action together as they were driving down the freeway must have been a big surprise, and a very unique, and memorable experience.
As a machine head, I love these pacing shots. Both are beautiful beasts. UNP couldn't buy better advertisement for their brand. Hope it continues.
What an amazingly powerful fellow! Big boy sure lives up to his name
It was a great sight to see both the UP 4014 and 844 operating on the same excursion train together.
Mechanical elegance at it's finest! 💯
Love to see those two pulling together, what a show they put on!!
Another masterfully shot video. 4K is just magnificent.
That is one beautiful piece of machinery! A real work of art!
My dad worked for union Pacific for a long time and I only wish he were still alive to be able to see this beautiful locomotive in action can't wait to see the big boy here in Abilene Kansas
Listening/watching 4014 at full chug is simply amazing. What a fantastic feat of design and engineering.
Fantastic footage! You can see the extreme difference in wheel diameters between 4014 having 68" drivers against 844's 80" drivers. Well done and thanks for sharing this gem.
Its due to the work the two locomotives were supposed to do back in the day: 844, despite being capable of hauling freight, is primarily a passenger locomotive, whereas 4014 was a freight locomotive from the start, thus the difference in the size of the driving wheels.
So blessed to get to see her run before I leave this world! Great Video, thank you.
This video is beyond amazing..to see and hear those wonderful locos..moved me to tears
.thank u so much
This is great! It's pretty clear from this shot that 4014 was doing most of the work climbing the grade towards Wasatch. You don't really hear 844's stack at all.
Great video!
A lot of work went into planning, shooting and assembling this... It was almost like being there, Thank you!
This is some outstanding footage. Even though I was there, it kind of dawned on me watching this just now that I still don't really believe it happened. Surreal.
Agreed, this was the first mainline steam excursion I experienced and to have that be the largest steam locomotive in the world (and a double header no less) was mind-blowing.
@@NorfKhazad I always wanted to see doubleheaded steam, but once you've seen a UP 4000 and an 800 together; in a way it kind of leaves you nowhere to go.
That being said, I sure wouldn't turn down the chance to see basically any other combination of doubleheaded steam locomotives. lol
Well, for ME, this is a runaway BEST chase choo-choo video out there. My daughter is a film director and we were both admiring the shoot quality and ability of the watcher to be "involved." Absolutely awesome. A keeper!! Thanks for braving the dangers.
Thanks, you should check out my other two chase videos as well. The Westbound trip through Webber canyon was particularly great, even got some snow.
Two of the most iconic engines together.
Let’s not neglect 844. Beautiful engine. #844 is the only Lionel engine I don’t have. I need it to go along with 4014 and 3985
The clarity of this video is amazing. Excellent audio too.
Beautiful shots! I love the different views and ability to hear the power coming from those pistons. I have a love for steam engines more than any ever. Great video, Thanks for sharing!
Got to See Big Boy today in Junction city Kansas...its a beautiful Beast....OUTSTANDING ...THANKS UNION PACIFIC 🖐🏽🖐🏽🖐🏽🖐🏽🖐🏽🖐🏽🖐🏽🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
This is an outstanding recording. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Nashville's 576 went to the shed this winter after 50+ years sitting in Centennial Park. We're hoping it'll make a comeback soon. In the meantime, UP 4014 and 844 are providing a wealth of footage. And that whistle. That whistle.
I live in Lebanon, which is just east of Nashville. I always see the two Music City Star locos make their ways back and forth between Nashville and Lebanon. When I heard that they were restoring 576, I was super excited. I'm too young to have ever seen her in her prime, but have always wanted to see a steamer be used in Nashville. My hope is that once they finish restoring 576, I would be able to see her being used to pull the Star through Lebanon! It would be amazing to see her thundering through the historic square!
The steam crew at UP can be proud of the excellent job they have achieved is a short space of time
Great video showing both sides, I'm making a model of this
Hi CraftyFoxe I love your builds!
I would love to see Union Pacific put 4014 to work pulling some freight from time to time that would be badass.
I agree, they did this back in the early 90s with the 3985. Would love to see that with the big boy.
I agree
Yes and more the twin UP CHALLENGER
Thank you, amazing recording, a real treat to watch and listen.
Absolutely wonderful! Great capture and most enjoyable to watch on the big TV with the sound turned up. I hope you will film the trip of the Big Boy 4014 when it goes east.
Sadly no, I can't swing the cost of another trip like this any time soon. I will get out to film the Big Boy again at some point however. Particularly if they ever run it with 3985.
NorfKhazad Maybe you should set up a Go Fund Me account. A lot of people follow these videos.
@@tomdonelson385 perhaps, I'm not sure there are enough people interested for it to make sense.
Beautiful shots. Man, 844 is frickin' huge!
Yeah I knew the Big Boy was huge, but I was surprised by how large 844 was, particularly its drivers.
Yes
From Italy I thank you for this fantastic video, clear,sound perfect. Thanks Thanks!!!!!!!!
Great video, magnificent machines. Just Magic!
Now THAT'S American (American Locomotive Company [ALCO]), and they signify the AMERICAN can do - will do spirit.
Thanks to the Steam Crew and the Union Pacific Railroad - America IS great !
Nice profile pic!
From about 2:45 to about 4:24 there was periodic flashes of fire below the engine of 844 , just in front of the cab -- could that have been the ash removal system at work? What else could it be?
Oil fired locomotives don't have an ash pan like a coal fired locomotive does, so you can often see into the bottom of the firebox.
@@NorfKhazad -- Thanks, yeah the fact that its not a coal fired engine would eliminate the need for an ash pan, but I would have imagined a modification to prevent hot gases or flame from exiting from the bottom as visible flame would reduce efficiency and increase the risk of starting a fire, a wildfire. And, I'd never seen that before.
Great work as always my friend!
THAT WHISTLE
THAT BEAUTIFUL WHISTLE
LOUD STEAM EXHAUST
MAKING DIESELS LOOK SMALL
In this case......
BIGGER IS BETTER IN BIG BOY!
Steam whistle lonely and comforting. Heard miles away.
I think the whistle says I'm out of the grave and ready to rock....Thank you Cheyenne Steam. shop You know how to rock.....
Never was in the grave, just asleep. :)
Outstanding! Love watching steam locomotives 👍🙏
The Big Boy has an interesting cyclic sound, sort of a combined snort and whoop. I suspect it's a resonance in the long pipes bringing exhaust steam from the aft engine to the smokebox.
More steam trains need to be put back into service for short and cross country travel. If I had my way, all working steam trains would be. I would also have all of the forgotten, abandoned steam, EMD diesels and other rare trains found, restored and put back into service. More people today need to experience what it was like to travel back in the hey day of steam and early diesel trains.
UP 844 is the longest operating steam locomotive on any American railroad, it was put in storage in 1959 and removed from storage in 1961 for the UP heritage fleet. It has never been retired from service. All the big boys were retired.
Very true. 844 is an impressive machine in its own right. If anything seeing it alongside the Big Boy just emphasizes how large it really is, particularly its drivers.
Superb!
I sometimes consider UP too political, but restoring and operating big steam like this is just beyond fantastic!
I waiting to see it in revenue service pulling a mile and a half long train.
@Andrew Armstrong just wait for that big-time traffic surge and you might get your wish!
With how much pulling power 4014 has, 844 and the diesel are just along for the ride
no the 844 is under steam look at the stack and firebox.
I guess the diesel is there just for dynamic braking.
Piece of railroading history right there! 🚂🛤
4014! What an Icon! Now that is a very good reason to visit USA from the UK!!!!!
What a great Beauty of Engineering !
WOW- BIG BOY and a 4-8-4 Booster engine.. LOVE this video- great job.. just had eye surgery , but I think I'm correct... 4-8-8-4 and 4-8-4 booster engine..that's a LOT of steam power..
Wow, great video. They sure knew how to make machines back then. Now all we have are electric motors and diesel powered generators.
WOULD IT BE NICE IF 4014 TEAM UP WITH 3985?BOTH OF THEM WILL BE GREAT DOUBLE HEADER.
Exactly! Plans are to get 3985 back on the line by 2020-2022!
Instead of the big boy pulling a train 5 Miles long alone, with the big boy and challenger together, they can pull a freight train almost 10 miles long. If that ever happens.
Gaston Forde that would be too much power
Well done camera work mate , thanks for sharing
Thanks!
Amazing pieces of engineering.
1941: Big Boy
2019: Big Boi
Nope still BIG BOY
8:42 imagine right here, they slam her into full service emergency. I would love to see the reaction it’d give
Well the wheels wouldn't lock up. That's only in thomas and friends, which is unrealistic. The braking would cause a squeaking noise and the engine would slowly stop
2 legends together... awesome!
LOOKS GOOD. I USE TO BE A BOILER OPERATOR.
Wonderful video. Thanks. 🚂
I’m new to this arena of machinery, trains are a new found love for me and to be specific steam trains they are majestic, I’ve mostly been interested in aviation,trucks, and motorcycles, basically with an engine I love, but trains never seem to come to me except recently. I have a question, why do the trains make small amounts of white smoke sometimes and other times they make a gigantic white cloud of smoke? And also how do these things operate for some reason I can’t wrap my head around how they work
The "smoke" is actually mostly water vapor from condensing steam. Steam locomotives use the expanding force of steam in their cylinders to push pistons back and forth which are used to drive the wheels. When the steam has been used it is released out the stack where it cools and condenses into water vapor. You get more visible vapor when the locomotive is working harder because it is using more steam, but you also get much more visible vapor when it is cold out because the steam condenses faster. You will also see black smoke coming out of the stack sometimes but this only occurs when more fuel is being fed into the fire than can be burned with the current amount of airflow through the firebox. The airflow through the firebox is determined by how much steam is being used because before it leaves the stack it is used to create draft and suck air through the boiler tubes and the firebox. Therefore a locomotive that is working harder uses more steam and creates more firebox draft allowing more fuel to be burned. This is very similar to a turbocharger on an internal combustion engine where the exhaust gases drive a turbine that forces air into the cylinders, however in an internal combustion engine the fuel is automatically fed into the engine in the correct ratio to the amount of air. In a steam locomotive fuel is manually controlled by the fireman so sometimes too much fuel is provided and the locomotive belches lots of unburnt fuel out the stack producing black smoke. As for how the rest of the locomotive works there are plenty of good videos on youtube about that.
Wow thanks so much that explains it to me very well, I love your videos keep it up
That abandoned car at 4:24
I know right? That really surprised me when I saw it.
I didn't notice it, but then I was looking at 4014 (who wouldn't be?).
Now I look at it, it looks like it's from the 1930s or 40s. Is this in a desert region? The sand blowing around could be keeping the steel looking like new. - Dennis
Me, talking about the Big Boy:
I am in AWE at the size of this lad
Actually the biggest part of that engine will be the boiler. The boiler need to produce more than enough steam power to move the train.
Seriously, this lad is an Absolute
*U N I T*
The king of the rails is back baby!!!!!!
This is great! Thanks for posting
Does anyone know the location of the last scene starting at 7:20 ? I searched using Google Maps satellite and just can't find it !
It's on the west side of Evanston, specifically I'm on the hillside just off the intersection of Constitution Ave and Kindler Dr.
Right on, thanks !
I hope the Big Boy DVD I have on order is as good as this!
Funny enough, Pentrex bought some of this footage from me to use in their new DVD/Blu-ray of the Big Boy's first trip.
This is beautiful footage with amazing quality. What type of camera and software are you using to capture images of this quality? Its definitely upgrade time for me.
I filmed this with a Panasonic GH5, and a Rode Stereo Videomic Pro for audio. I edited it with Adobe Premiere Pro.
I appreciate this video
Nontrain enthusiast: Big Boy is to dangerous and too costly to operate.
Union Pacific: hOlD mY bEer!
dangerous and costly? I can't see how a big boy would be more dangerous or costly to operate than a challenger, which UP had been running for decades
@@MasterViseOMG Well, i don't want to start an arguement, but yeah the were costly to operate. You need to know how much Union Pacific invested in this hulk and how much it'll cost to repair and send it on excursions! Probably 10's of millions of dollars.Yes, it can be dangerous to. Look at what happened to the 4005, and theres a fair chance that could happen to the 4014, too! But i only said that for a meme.
(Use Code Lazar in the Fortnite item shop)
Negative comments are obviously from people that have very little (if any) knowledge of railroading; period.
I agree Joel.
Everything costs something - to build, maintain and repair if it breaks. The pay off is our enjoyment of it which is HUGE.
Sorry Juanita, I think you're out-voted.
Dennis
TRULY SPECTACULAR
Can a steam expert here explain what causes the bright flashing under the the 844 between the rear wheels and the main body. It's intermittent but fairly constant at the same time. It almost looks like static electricity or leaking fuel igniting. Is it normal for the 844 type locomotive to do that?
The 844 has been an oil burner for a long time. It's likely much of her ashpan has been removed since it isn't necessary for an oil burner. As a result you can see into the bottom of the firebox pretty well. Why exactly it flashes like that instead of seeing a steady flame I'm not sure.
Totally awesome!
Awesome video...jealous...want to see her so bad! What a beauty!
Superbe vidéo ! je pourrais installer une chaise et observé tout ces mouvements toute une après midi !
Great footage!!!!
Keep it up whoever did this.
I did, and I do plan to film the Big Boy again. Not this year, but maybe next year.
hey I just realized up has go her white bearings around the weels again u know the 844
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT NorfKhazad you have earned one more subscriber. Greetings from Argentina!!!!!
They ought to do a freight run with Big Boy, and relive the good old days!
There was when it went east...it had 22 loaded grain hoppers. I doubt we will see a train like the APL one with 3985 in 1991.
Wonderful steam train video. Joe
What an exciting sight❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
4014 looks so perfect and natural, it's made for the rails.
Great video, well shot.
It's 20th July 2019 and so far 17 Thumbs Down? Oh well...it takes all types...
I v'e just noticed your avatar: Virginian Railway - Triplex 2-8-8-8-4, 2-8-8-2's, 2-10-10-2's, Split-Phase electric locos (EL-3A @ 7125 HP), 6-axle Hopper Cars.
Yeah for a little railroad the Virginian had some of the most incredible equipment. It's definitely my personal favorite. Pity almost none of it survives today.
I've since realised I forgot another one: 2-6-6-6
I've got models (1:87 HO)of the Triplex and the 2-6-6-6 and I would love to get one of the 2-10-10-2.
@@kiwitrainguy yeah I'm looking to pick up a 2-10-10-2 as well.
Is it me or are the second set of drivers just along for the ride. I see no steam from them at all.
A lot of people including myself thought that for a while, but I found a video of the 4014 departing Ogden which clearly shows the cylinder cocks open on the rear engine, blowing just as much steam as the front. It seems the front cylinder packing was just leakier than the rear.
What Dreams may Come
Why are there two engines? 4014 and 844 tp to pull one train.
So they could have them come together head to head at Ogden to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the completion of the transcontinental railroad. Also because it looks cool.
I see Devil’s Slide 1:00+
Oops, Devil’s Slide is in Weber Canyon.
6:10 where a Big Boy passes a stack train. Only UP baby!
If only they would pull a stack train with it like they did with 3985.
Gorgeous
The engineers don't wave from the trains anymore, not like they did back in 1954
Fantastic footage !
Any idea of how fast it was moving ?
About 40 mph for most of the trip.
How to connect two steam locomotives together?
With a coupler like anything else. As for actually matching power output and speed, that's down to the skill of the engineers.
It all comes down to communication between the two engineers.
Unlike the Diesel locomotives of today, steam locos cannot be in a Multi-Unit (or MU for short) consist to be controlled by just one person. Each steam locomotive has to have a driver behind the throttle and both have to be in near perfect synchronization when starting or stopping the double header. It takes communication and strong teamwork for them to work in unison.
Volksdude has it correct. What makes it more impressive is to think that back in the days of steam they didn't have radios. So they had to synchronize multiple engines (often times one of them being on the back of the train) without direct voice communication.
AWESOME video! I wonder if that diesel is for backup...I imagine they don't want to push it too hard since the Big Boy is rare?
Thanks, the diesel was there for backup and dynamic braking.
The diesel was there to provide electric power for the passenger cars, and to provide dynamic braking to provide a load for the big boy to pull against during the break in of the new parts.
@@brucejones2354 The diesel didn't provide power, it's a freight locomotive and not equipped for head end power generation. That's why they had the generator cars in the train.
Since speed is not controlled electronically how do the engineers in 844 match the pace exactly, set by 4014? By feel? is it as simple as that?
Pretty much, yes
Another thing it's useful to understand: The throttle doesn't directly control speed, it controls torque. The more you open the throttle the more steam flows to the cylinders and the more torque is applied to the pistons and through the rods, the wheels. That means you can have two locomotives applying different amounts of torque but running at the same speed. All the engineer in a second locomotive is trying to do is ensure they are always pulling on the locomotive behind them, rather than being pushed by it, or switching back and forth between pulling and being pushed. An experienced engineer can tell which is happening by feeling the slack action and (I expect) by listening to their locomotive's stack talk.
That/this is awesome...one more, you can see flame beneath the firebox on 844, but i don't see it on 4014...is that the difference between the oil firing conversion on 4014 during the restoration, and i am assuming 844 is the traditional coal firing firebox?
@@grahamlivingstone1068 Both 844 and 4014 are oil fired, but I'm fairly certain 844 was built as oil fired to begin with. My guess was that 4014 has a more substantial ash pan arrangement (even if some of it has been removed) which blocks the visibility of the oil fire more than on 844.
when will 4014 start pulling alone. this is the biggest steam train in the world
i have seen the 844 pull alone
Good chase video, thanks for sharing.🚂😜🇺🇸
Guau!, chicos , es una real preciosura ,gracias.
Anybody know why the 4014 blows exhaust up so much better than the 844? I know they tried the smoke deflectors on a Big Boy back in the day but took them off because they weren't needed. But the Challenger needs them as does the 844, just wondering if anybody knows what the design difference is.
I don't know for certain, but my guess is the long boiler in the Big Boy probably provides stronger draft, thereby ejecting the exhaust more forcefully.
@@NorfKhazad I would conclude the opposite as a longer boiler means longer tubes and greater friction.
I would expect something with the design of the big venturi steam ejector thing in the bottom of the stack.
@@wiredforstereo Makes sense. The higher volume of steam consumed (and exhausted) by the Big Boy likely contributes to the effectiveness of the venturi as well.
Gorgeous!
Great work!
What is the yellow car behind both of the locomotives’ tenders?
Those are water tenders. Since these big engines use a bunch of water, they need an extra tender for it.
The Creative One
What did they do before these kinds of cars were created?
Nate the Great The regular tender. (The black one) they added the yellow tender’s because for longer rides. The tender on leader can fill up a swimming pool. Yep, they consumed lots of water.
@@natethegreat7967 pretty much used for travelling longer distance route with less water stops
The Diesel Electric is not just along for the ride, it is coupled for braking
and electric power for the passenger cars!
It’s just a Diesel, not an electric.
@@gearheaddave9639 its a freight type locomotive, which obviously means that they dont supply any electricity to the coaches
@@voidjavelin23 i beg to differ but whatever i aint gonna argue
@@gearheaddave9639 the diesel locomotive is a freight type locomotive, which means they dont have any hotel electricity capability as express passenger type locomotive (american freight type locomotive can be identified with their ulitarian look along with having cat walks and doesnt using cowl design)