Why Quitting Yu-Gi-Oh Doesn't Work
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2020
- I react to a TH-cam video by @TheMacroShow about why he quit Yu-Gi-Oh. There are some truths and some misconceptions...
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Hey guys, hope you all enjoyed this somewhat different video today! Drop a Like if you did! 👍🏾
No hate to Macro by the way! He actually gave me permission to do a commentary on his video, so shout out to him!
What do you think? Is Yu-Gi-Oh really as bad as he says?
Hi i got into yugioh at 12 now i am 13 and last month i realy liked it but it's easy i tried too understand from googel and you guys but i playit only online for now but i maybe playit some day and btw i love the channel
He was just sour. Yugioh is awesome. Team aps should do a tag duel. I just did a my 1st ever tag duel on dueling nexus. Gren maju stun ftw! Woohoo! Let's go!
@@letsduel yeah it sure as heck sounded like it! Oh well good riddence I say.
Straight up, just got back into the game after pft..17 years or so? Idk, ive dropped a whole stack but now I got my badass collection, super OCDified binders and all that jazz and I have no regrets. Its definitely a big initial investment but Im having fun with it, I enjoy the collecting aspect to an insane degree and I think it's a spectacular card game. Dantes comedia has been my shit since i was a kid and when I found out that theres a set based around that, I just had to get all the cards haha, then all the fiend cards, then the zombie ones! All I need is a playmat now, hopefully I can find a double playmat for cheap somewhere cuz I got my gf into the new speed duel thing. Any ideas where I can find a good double playmat? Thanks and I love the channel man, I listen to yalls videos through my hearing aid like all day at work, Plano TX represent!
@@mageside there is our ways for players to play yugioh for free if they have a super tight budget. Online simulators for example. Try the cards online b4 even thinking of buying the physical copy. #StayCalmKeepDueling 😆
You never truly quit Yu-Gi-Oh, you just take long breaks.
#FACTS
Cimoooo spitting straight facts
What if you played until 60 year old so you still played 60+year old then, so you can truly quit Yu-Gi-Oh, right ?
I had to 'quit' because of someone I knew in middle school.
I second the motion.
Man, watching this makes me want to play Yu-Gi-Oh again 😂
In retrospect I should have toned down my negative attitude in the beginning, in the end of the day I had so much fun playing back in the day
Thanks for watching! Back when I played I always loved your channel, so it’s cool to see you review it!
ay macro, love your stuff man
Nah, that's your tone and your tone is what puts food on the table. No need to apologize, you entitled to your opinion.
Macro you can still play and try having some fun again in automated online sites like dueling nexus or edopro. No sharking since more auto, no cost, no smell etc xD. Ofc it’s really fun to play with physical cards but online has its positives too ;)
I still play HEROs and although my deck isn’t to good in current metas i don’t change my favorite deck out because Konami prints new support for old decks archetypes all the time and sometimes new support can make old decks meta again which is why I keep hope that my childhood favorite deck will be good again at some point.
@@dgayle2348 Where did he apologize? He's just saying his opinion changed and wouldn't have been as negative now as he was then.
I don't get where you think he was apologizing, unless you think people only change what they think when they're sorry for it?
Remember when "removed from play" actually meant take the card out of the duel instead of sending it temporarily to the 2nd graveyard.
I mean, 'Return from the Different Dimension' saw a decent amount of play at the time, and that was 20 years ago.
@@GoldenSunAlex Yea but that was one of the few cards 20 years ago to bring back banished monsters
It wasnt dozens like now, where banishment is not even truly considered “removed from the game”
“Removed from the game” means the card is gone from the current game, nothing can bring it back
“Removed from the game” does not equal “banished”
My favorite decks can't recover anything from the banished zone, so for me, it truly does remove it from play.
@@aceclover758 *“Removed from the game” means the card is gone from the current game, nothing can bring it back*
When was that ever a thing?
@@maleficking6556 Before problem solving text by Konami and back in the time when a monster was removed from play/the game, they literally cannot come back into it since no cards to recover those cards existed
The powercreep has gotten to a point that Yu-Gi-Oh literally negates the act of quitting from the players smh
Player: "I Quit" Konami: "Wrong! You've activated my trap card!"
Konami does support gambling as they make slot machines in casinos so it’s no surprise people are addicted.
🤣🤣
@@MCPunk55 but ironically no one uses trap cards anymore! Way too slow for the current format
@@MCPunk55 I activate the effect of the monster in my graveyard
Honestly I'm gonna stick to yugioh until it ends because it helped me get off of smoking. I was wanting to buy packs so much that I ended up using my cig money on buying cards.
Might do the same thing to quit smoking cigs lol..
That's what's up man. I decided to try yugioh (started with Duel Links to learn some basics) this year to find a new game that takes more, brainpower/thinking rather than playing so many video games that doesn't exactly give that benefit.
Lmao man I'm proud of you.
imagine buying 3 packs of yugioh everyday instead of one pack of ciggies
Bro I’m a try doing that man you low key just motivated me to quit but see I like smoking cigs and playing at the same time but I’m a try to quit
“Unhealthy buying decisions” looks at TeamSanuraiX1 videos about buying out whole stores
People like spending money
Sam is the biggest piece of shit yugituber in the game guy just needs to leave the game for a while cuz the man is spending college money or new cars on yugioh
Yeah he spent nearly 1 k on a card he never got sad times
Edit: he finally got it after four days he spent about 2.5 k dollars
hahahaha
Flexing on little kids with his youtube money.
From the sound of it, these reasons seems to be connected to tournaments, but playing with friends or a small group doesn't seem to have the same issues
Yeah but then you start the arms race.
Your friend decides to just go all in and now no one can touch him.
You still like the game enough so then you decide to build something that stomps him.
So then he upgrades his stuff and the cycle goes on until your wallet or friendship dies.
@@VaSoapman I see that as a problem if you only are restricted to 1 deck. This happened to me a little where my best-friend and I bought the box of Red Eyes / Blue-Eyes / and DM and split it to 1 deck each. after that we made our own decks. I had a worse deck so I made a better one to compete and my friend made a worse deck that was less meta-relevant to compete with my deck b/c they liked the playstyle of a worse deck. You have to work with your friend in honest discussion to have the most fun with neither of you going over budget.
I know this problem. I used to play with a friend something like goat format including some newer cards here and there. But then she decided to get herself the best hero deck available and i got OTK'd every time. So we agreed that i was allowed to side in my forbidden cards like pot of greed, yata and can use pre-errata effects. But it didn't make a difference. She enjoyed winning but after a while I stopped playing with her. It just wasn't fun for me to watch her build up the same board every time and hope that I could pull off the CED-yata-lock first turn as my only chance of winning.
@@VaSoapman me n my friends have dubbed to not use over powered cards wiht 30 bullet points unless in a specific overpowered deck. same for synchro link xyz and pen.
i buy alot of speed duel packs cause of it
Yeah, but for a lot of people, tournaments at LGS are all they have.
As a YGO player who finally quit the game about three years ago, it was pretty liberating for me. I didn't quit playing TCGs, I just stopped playing YGO. The prize support from Konami was awful, the community is disgustingly toxic, the prices were rising, and the commute to tournaments just wasn't worth it. After not playing for so long, I eventually stopped trying to keep up with everything and it's nice to watch YGO content to see some ridiculous new card or mechanic, but I don't feel like I'm missing out anymore.
Props to you duelists who are still doing what they're doing--but it's just not for me anymore.
Why I stopped going to locals around 2014 after 4-5 times being there:
- I've had multiple cards stolen
- People are just weird af. I have no idea why, but it was not only socially awkward people, but there were some straight up insane people with anger issues and shit. Not dealing with that in my free time.
That sucks. Purpose of the game is to have fun and a social experience (enjoy the game and community).
Its like the real yugioh u get ur cards stolen lmao but hell steal their cards and kick their ass
I've noticed that most video game/card game communities tend to attract people that have no idea how to act in public.
Damn that sucks. I want to get into the competitive scene. I'd never act like that. I'm a very reserved person. If you think someone's pulling some shit don't get mad, just call a judge over, and sort it out. At the end of the day it's just a game, have fun with it.
Yeah that’s a real reason why I stay away from this😅 idk why these people have to be so weird🤦♂️and so comfortable being weird ffs.. I’ll immediately be considered one of those weird people by default if I start going to these things and I can’t even defend myself because it’s just one of those things.. we don’t go to these places because they’re full of weirdos *”we don’t do this”* 🤦♂️it’s so bad.
Quit Yu-Gi-Oh but end up still playing it through YGOpro no money spend just have fun.
The best way.
I use the dueling nexus & also play the tag force series for psp. Didn't need to spend a dime and I can still enjoy YuGiOh old or new school 😁
I just play all the old school games. Tag force and world championship ftw
Same, except for the fun part...
But at least is free
@@mariocaballeroperez2064 Definitely not fun playing online with randoms, friends is the way.
When I was a kid, I loved playing Yu-Gi-Oh! I collected over a thousand cards, watched the anime from DM to 5Ds and a little bit of Zexal and had some fond memories of playing it with my friends and my brothers. Then, as I got older, I stopped playing. I threw out most of my cards, only keeping probably a hundred random ones. I played one game with this person from college back in 2016 and lost outright. I went back into my exile from Yu-Gi-Oh, only getting random cards from certain people and the odd booster. Then, back in November 2019, I got back into the game. I saw this HERO Strike Structure Deck at Comic Con and decided to buy it because HERO monsters were my favourite. I then learned of this new game shop in my area who were hosting a Yu-Gi-Oh! tournament where you brought five cans of food as entry and gave up a can if you lost a round. At this point, I had gotten into MTG thank to my dad and was coming to terms with how constructed tournaments worked.
I entered, won a game or two with the HERO deck I bought plus a couple of HERO cards I had left over and walked away with some new cards. I then learned of how the format had changed so much. Decks now rely on synergy in a similar fashion to MTG decks. I went about the process of slowly upgrading my HERO deck, learning from my defeats. The last tournament I went to before Covid hit, I went 3-2. I've since upgraded my deck and am now looking forward to the next time I can play in a competitive environment.
don't tell this guy Raigeki is at 3
Could somebody suggest me an introductory video if I want to get back to YGO? Last time I had a duel was on fall 2003
One thing I wish and always will wish Konomi would give us is a tag duel format! I think that's spice up the game quite a bit.
Me and some friends do tag duels, 4 way duel, 2 on 1 duels we literally use any card ( 1 guy has 2 dark holes in his deck) just set the rules and guide lines on how to go about dueling its fun we really don't care about the ban list or limit we have more fun like this then actually following the same basics
@@roach1427 that sounds fun but unfortunately all the yugioh players in my town are meta playing rule followers 😅
@@necromancypizza damn I'm sorry hopefully they're break free from these chains hahah
@@roach1427 its all good. :)
I wish there was a movement in the community to make their own format, an equivalent to Commander in MTG.
The community could control the banlist (so no pushing broken cards then banning it after its bought out), the power level could be dictated on a social contract level (the goal of the game is fun), it could be multiplayer to fascilitate social playing and de-emphasize winning at all costs.
It's just infinitely strange to me to go from MTG, where Commander is recommended and pushed by nearly every player and card shop owner especially for new fans, to Yugioh, a game where everyone plays the equivalent of Standard, except where Standard is actually Legacy/Modern because there is no rotation but still has enough power creep to force you to buy the $500 dollar decks every year or so if you want to stay tier list.
You never truly quit Yu-Gi-Oh, The heart of the cards will guide you back.
You shouldn’t quit. When you return it will be a completely different game.
I will never quit yugioh
I quit in 2013 found my way back in late 18 early 19 took me about 3 months to get good again
I never really quit I had the same experience as the guy Paul is reacting to but I bought a good deck off my friend so I am still in it.
Jedi 9277 I just got back Into it today. I never knew that you should have card sleeves or game mats. I also barely knew how to play in the first place. I quit because there was absolutely no one in my area who liked yugioh.
“Yu-Gi-Oh! doesn’t really have like two hundred dollar cards right now.”
Ten Thousand Dragon: Hold my beer
(Cough cough) pot of greed (cough cough)
Unusual Dizzle actually it £1695.95
@Amr AHMED o_O
10k dragon isnt expensive because they are good, its because its rare. So that doesn't apply to this argument. Its about expensive cards that are required in a meta to succeed.
@@tealluma6528 I had so many of those when I was a kid, then I stopped playing and my folks threw out all my cards. I get sick just thinking about how much money I could've made off of those lol
Let the disco music roll my dude, I was jamming out over here
I've played all three of the major TCGs(Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon) at some point. Each game has a different set of problems. The problem that each one shares is that at every tournament, you will end up playing against the same deck, multiple times, from multiple opponents. I tried to get back into Magic: The Gathering last year. I saw the same 4 card play order 10 times and tapped out.
Agreed. At least with YuGiOh people will run jank stuff and have fun with it. And you’ll never see it coming.
The best TCG imo is Pokemon because even though there are meta decks, there are still many options that can compete with the meta decks and there's usually not one definitive meta deck
@@SporeVenom Lately, that kind of hasn't been the case. Between Mew VMAX and Palkia VSTAR, those were the top 2 by a significant margin upon their release. There also have been a bunch of other recent decks that have been meta-defining for a time (RS Urshifu, Dragapult, Shadow Rider Calyrex, and perhaps most infamously upon the transition to Sword & Shield, ADP Zacian), but I'm focusing on those two. They were the most successful and most popular. While both were the "definitive" meta decks, they did have significant counters. Mew had to watch out for Yveltal from Celebrations, and Palkia recently lost Internationals to Flying Pikachu VMAX of all things (which also counters Regis, another popular deck).
But Flying Pikachu could have lost potentially. That last round was crazy! A 4-card mulligan to the opponent and it still won the round and the match.
I sidetrack for a moment there. This is why I like Gym Leader Challenge in Pokemon. Things are more balanced, it's slower and more methodical and it's more possible to make a comeback in that format than in any current other format.
Of course, there are still type weaknesses, but every deck has a niche and plays differently. Fire has its strengths and weaknesses, Grass its, Water its, and so on and so forth, and players can plan for these and exploit them in fun ways.
League players: Riot is supporting our competitive scene
Yu-gi-oh players: konami doesnt support the competitive scene enough
smash players: you guys are getting support?
Well, If the creator dies we can have cash prizes, but not sure if that will be a thing since if he dies I think the game is over at that point. Also, he's really the only end all be all of the Series, but not the TCG and OCG which overseen by Konami, anyways thats why you get some sort of prizes due to Konami
That's kind of an asinine comparison, though. The smash-scene inherently is a grassroots movement. Sakurai never wanted the games to played competetively, so why should they support the competetive scene?
@@MmmBeer That... doesn't change anything about what I said? Even in the manga it was portrayed as a competition. The games was designed and marketed as a competetive trading card game.
@@MmmBeer That's still not comparable on any level. You're comparing the grassroots tournament scene for a game that was intended to be (and is still marketed as) a party game to a game that's been treated as a serious competition even in its source material.
People being interested in something isn't a grassroots movement. There was no big organized group of players playing the game with cards printed after the mangas example.
@@MmmBeer Okay then. Won't change the fact that there has to be an element of organization for something to be a movement.
And there is people like me: playing the game online where you can use any cards for free so you can do whatever you want.
Its still different in person. Its hard to explain but, you meet awesome people !!!!
True, but you can never beat the sensation of shuffling the card, listening to that sweet sound of card ruffling with each other, and the feeling when you summon your win condition card.
Though the game has lost some of that luster now as power creep is too freaking apparent.
I do both I play a deck online to test it Then I get the deci
@@letsgodigiv5615 when dueling network was still around I would play in online tourments, casual and non casual matches I was cool with one or two admins and would talk to people
@Tien Most Powerful Human On Earth dueling book. Its free
Played many different TCGs over the years, and YuGiOh was my favourite for a long time. However, the community is precisely why I quit for good. Not even just the things listed in this video regarding the community, but just general commonplace attitude problems. I've never played any other card game that has such a high percentage of aggressive (even sometimes violent), obnoxious, narcissistic, thieving players.
For full context, I've never been to a single event, even local game shop, that doesn't have at least two problem people. It NEVER gets called out, they never get punished for their behaviour- We had one venue remove ALL seating because one player would always throw a tantrum and start hurling furniture. Instead of ban that player, they removed all seating. I've never seen this happen in any other TCG.
Every other game I've played has just been so much more chill, and even the "play to win" people are pretty chill. Very little theft, and any attitude problem players just get ostracised, never to return. It sucks that I had to quit my favourite TCG, but it simply isn't worth the constant headaches. The main problem seems to be a huge lack of maturity in the community, irrespective of age (younger players even tend to be less troublesome than the generic manchild types).
They're probably angry at themselves for being 30 year old virgins who still live off their parents.
I fact they still let that problem child in, people should jsut refuse to play him
@@aceclover758 That problem "child" was in his late thirties. Ehahah.
@@saint3614 I wouldve called him a man child to his face
A man child is not someone who plays games in their adulthood but acts like a literal child in a mans body
Throwing chairs because you lost a card game is epitome of a man child
I quit for 17 years. Got stoned one night and watched Larry in the hole. Now I’m a 28 year old man with 1,400 newly purchased cards. Quitting works for awhile, until you remember how much fun it is.
And this right here explains why I'm trying so hard to play again
@@delirdecidduo2187 welcome back. Everything is different now, and I love it.
@@SentientSandbox I understand syncros, xyz, and (kinda) links to an extent but...i CANNOT for the life of me understand pendulums
@@delirdecidduo2187 I’ll be honest, I don’t even use them. I’ll use XYZ, Synchros, and Links. That’s about it for me.
@@SentientSandbox I play an archetype called steelswarm and it barely has any extra deck so I'll I need to do is tribute and it's relieving
Reprints are only “bad” for the secondary market. Otherwise they are a great thing for mid-level players as most can’t afford the expensive cards so reprints help accessibility for players who want to play at larger events but are discouraged due to lack of “essential” high priced cards.
Reprints have another, more hidden problem. Konami has become more and more prone to shortprint certain desirable cards. The only reason the community puts up with that bs is because shortprinted cards tend to get reprinted somewhere down the line.
The short prints make for expensive deck builds and later upgrades. There are different levels of play. The difference between rogue competitive and hyper competitive is a lot of money. Play on a budget and build an archetype that you like. Yu-Gi-Oh is suppose to be fun, though I miss the gameplay of a game that last more than 5 turns.
Tell me about it, I still struggle with backrow decks to this day with Lightning Storm being a $100 secret rare and Evenly Matched still too high for me at $35 each for the cheapest copies
Charmer structure deck to my knowledge does have Dark Ruler No More and Evenly Matchrd
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 for the ocg one yes, those have yet to be confirmed for the TCG version of the structure
That man isn’t exaggerating. The banning and reprinting is a mess
Especially with covid. I wanted to get accesscode talker but its like 70 bucks at the time of this message and i asked why????
Like I personally think if you are playing for fun then you kinda are wasting money if you invest in the most expensive cards but if you play tournaments you have a chance of getting some money back.
So right now its kinda dumb to do huge investments. Literally what me and my brother do when we play is print out the cards on a printer and use them. Obviously that would be illegal af in a tournament but playing among friends with no money involved is smarter
And then if I do want to play at card shops and participate at tournaments. Then it would be smarter to buy them
@@israelruiz8706 there is also a site that lets you play with any cards ever printed of YuGiOh against anyone, I don’t quite remember its name, but it was mentioned on this channel.
@@brtomassampaioback in the day it was dueling network, but I prefer playing in person
@@israelruiz8706 There are some even now. DuelingNexus comes to mind.
I started playing yugioh about 3 years ago when I was 12 and the only reason I really got into was because of the community and how a lot of people helped me get into it and this was when links had just became a thing so it was not easy for me to get into, I got into it because of duel links and just didn’t like how restrictive it was so I got myself a Kaiba structure deck and got rekted but then my second time going to locals this guy hooked me up with the full abc deck and opened my eyes to how links work and everything and since then it’s been so much better and I hope other new players especially like teenagers have someone like that.
I just got back into Yugioh at almost 25, and it's definitely changed a lot, but my friends I played with before stopped when I did, so we just play the old ways.
That's the best way to put it. What Era are you playing?
Nah Yu-Gi-Oh ain’t a kids game anymore
You have to be a grown ass man with a salary to even get a fun winnable deck
Just don’t play competitive
What he didn't say in the video because he doesn't want to anger komoney. If you are new buy singles off line and research prices people will try their best to rip you off in a trade. You don't have to trade everything, some cards are better to hold on to and over time if you update your deck slowly you can put your remaining cards in a binder. Sealed product is rarely ever worth it. Play for free online first to get a feel for what can work. Take a long time to understand rulings and odd situations so when they occur you are not surprised. Play with and be familiar with all meta decks as all decks will be based around beating them if they are not meta themselves. Don't expect to win all the time, winning 50% of the time or more should be the goal. As a new player I don't suggest buying the most expensive deck as it may get hit on the ban list, instead shoot for something in the middle that performs ok and will have some longevity in the format. It will also be easier to buy cards for as the demand for your combo pieces will not be as high as other decks. You can always upgrade later if you wish. When in real life ALWAYS shuffle the opponents deck thoroughly before a duel(do not damage the cards so do a proper shuffle), seriously some people have no morals. If someone is slow playing you may have to concede a duel in order to save time for the next one in the match. Make sure you have a watch on or something to keep track of time because people will scam you on time. The slow play thing is an issue that could be fixed with a stop clock or something in between turns but until they implement this we will have to suffer. Last thing, HAVE FUN. You don't have to be the best just don't be the worst.
Any more?? When tf was yugioh not pay to win?
Never was a kids game from the beginning, all these damn rules, and regulations that have to be followed, all these different card colors and effects. An average 10-12 year old playing this, and not being able to deal with that, would probably be mentally overwhelmed with stress.
well i'm 11
I only bought Yu-Gi-Oh cards to just play for fun. Sadly I have no one to play with.
Same XD
I can play, just ask me and im ready to throw down on nexus or somthin 🤙🤙🤙
Same I'm lonely 😔
Wanna Add Me On Duel Links? I,Too Play For Fun And Don't Have Many People To Play With.
Guys, as nice as you are, he said he "bought" cards. That means physically, so I don't think playing online is his intention
When they went completely overboard with monster effects.
True. I'm trying to play a game, not read a book for each monster.
need a fuckin magnifier glass to read some of those effects.
Yeah seriously. Sometimes when someone told me an effect I would.just take their word for it since it was like a novel to read a single card, especially that Endiymion pendulum monster.
I can say with full confidence that no matter what happens with power creep, no matter how much I need to invest, or how old I get. I genuinely enjoy this card game and playing my favorite decks. At the moment I have absolutely no friends, and I still have to stave off the urge to buy new decks and booster boxes.
No one would quit if older formats were supported!
exactly
That, and casual formats like Magic has with Commander.
I would love a format with simper effects and more presentation and flavor like the originals. Cards are more fun to play when they role-play together and not because they have a million generic effects that line up into a super combo that ends the game before any fun can be had.
We have Speed Duel!
Agree to disagree? I agree that it sucks that the older formats are no longer supported. Trust me, I'd like to give my old Goat-era deck a spin without worrying that I'll be wiped out within the next turn because my opponent has a ton of Extra Deck monsters on the field within their first or second turn. However, without newer formats the game would mainly never evolve. Though the worst one in my opinion was when Pendulums came out. New formats are a necessary evil when it comes to YGO. Though now other than the Master Rules, we got Speed Duels and Rush Duels. And personally I think Rush Duels are neat when it comes to older decks like mine.
I stopped playing sophmore year in high School. That was 13 years ago. I recently bought a ton of cards, and watched the original series all over again. I miss those days. I have no friends that play, and I don't have time to go to meets🥺
Battle in zoom meetings
You should play the tag force series for psp, super fun. Or Dueling Nexus since it's free to play.
Try yu-gi-oh pro
Discord duelling/Skype 👊🏻
Respect to the O.G players. I used to think Dark Hole and Pot of Greed were the most OP cards ever.
People: Smoking is one of the worst addictions you can have
Yu-Gi-Oh!: Hold my beer
Smoker AND yugioh player here :P
Yep gotta have that card board crack
EVE Online is worse for taking time.
Same, but mine is warhammer
Why not do both?
I felt the theft part. I was like 6-7 when the anime came out and the Yu-Gi-Oh craze started, and I got a lot of cards over the next 3-4. Very early on when I was just getting the cards because I liked the show and thought they were cool but actual game concepts went over my head, some older kids in my community completely took advantage of my ignorance and convinced me to make terrible trades because they knew I trusted them (they were cool people when they weren't trying to get good cards). I got off Yu-Gi-Oh for a little bit, then got back into it when I was like 13-14, when my best friend in my new area started talking about it. I brought my binder with my 800ish cards to school and showed it to him, but again we were in school and our break and lunch times were different, so I handed it to him to take home and look at, under the condition that he not take any out, if he wanted to trade later I was fine with him moving cards he wanted to the back of the binder so we could do that more easily later... He held my binder for 3 days and made supposedly good and equal 'trades' without asking me, and of course these were ~800 cards that I hadn't looked at much over the years to this point, so for all I know he took 50 good cards and swapped them for 10 cards that were completely worthless. That took me out of Yu-Gi-Oh up until like my senior year of high school where I played some games during lunch with people who cheated their shuffles even though the games were no-stakes. Now at 26 I kind of want to just collect cards again, I don't know maybe I'll have kids that'll get into the game some day, or maybe I'll wind up with a treasure trove of cards I can sell if times get rough, I just kind of want to start collecting again, but I don't have much trust past that aspect anymore.
That was oddly therapeutic to post.
That is very interesting, I recently moved offices at my work and found nearby Big Lots that has yugioh cards it sells at the front of the store. I've bought two packs, and it has slowly got me interested in collecting and playing. I had a binder and sold it years ago, but that definitely was a worry letting others see it, because you feel someone can steal something thr minute you aren't looking.
Yugioh has an extremely high turnover compared to other card games don’t get me wrong players do come back but quitting is pretty normal in Yugioh
Thing is a shiny cardboard, especially card games are high turnover because new players are discouraged due to their being too many things and intricacies in the games also their Mechanics. Only people willing to have base in a card game may come into YGO I feel like YGO is the better game overall due to the games pace imo, it's really the only thing about the game everyone likes it's fast paced.
My problem is usually how toxic Yu-Gi-Oh players are usually. Most aren't super toxic to a new player, but once that player has noticed the toxicity they usually leave.
I think people need to stop complaining over things that just exist. There is a ban list, you don't have to follow it, if you decide to go to tourney then yes you have to follow it, cause Konami, but other than that you can add any rules you want, games are supposed to be fun, but their is always 1 of those people that turns everything into the fucking Olympics and that's the mentality most players have sometimes. I still think YGO is fun, just don't be toxic and have fun. :D
@@Jerry4281 well spoken
@@Jerry4281 thank you kind sir
Almost everyone I know who quit did so because of the playerbase
My locals has players quit all the time and start playing other games, be that magic, Pokemon, DBS, or hearthstone, but they always inevitably come back.
There's a reason we're all Yu-Gi-Oh players, and not magic players.
Yu-Gi-Oh is a fundamentally different game than almost any other TCG on the market. Purely because if the lack of a resource mechanic. You draw your hand, and start playing. No need for Mana, or energy, or whatever the fuck hearthstone does. You can start playing immediately.
And the inherent slowness that all these other games have because of there resource mechanics is a major culture shock to Yu-Gi-Oh players that start playing them.
You can claim that don't mind these things all you want, but one has to ask "then why didn't you start playing magic years ago? Why stay a Yu-Gi-Oh player all this time?"
Simply put, they like the Yu-Gi-Oh style of play more than every other game. And that's why they always come back.
Hell, it's basically a meme at this point that "you never really quit Yu-Gi-Oh."
Even yuginono couldn't stay gone for more than a year.
So losing players to other games isn't a problem. The problem is, was, and will always be getting new players. The barrier for entry to Yu-Gi-Oh is so outrageous that new players are more incentivized to just give up before even trying than they are to try in the first place.
I've been trying to teach my nephew how to play, and doing so with mostly old school cards. No extra decks. Mostly normal monsters. A lot of trap cards.
And even that confuses him to no end. Explaining the mechanics of this game to someone who's never played a TCG before is nearly impossible. How do you explain timing to them? When they ask why "if" vs "when" matters and you just have to say "because Konami said so." It just pisses them off, much the same way it pisses all of us off.
The difference is, we're use to it. They aren't. And they won't put up with it if you can't give them a good reason to.
Paul is right in saying that if Yu-Gi-Oh ever does die, it'll be because of a lack of new players.
"Yugioh banlists haven't been that brutal to decks recently"
Thunder dragon players: am i a joke to you?
I mean... yes?
@@distilledmalice8624 ... aight, You're getting sent to the mystic mines
I believe spyral has a word to say
Rip destrudo and electumite
@@burlyfoil1022 blue eyes deck main: yes and you are a puddle of flesh to eat😋😋😋
Love your content. You are definitely a good ambassador for this game and seem to have the type of personality of a person I would want to play if I was just starting out. Yugioh needs more people with this kind of patience and understanding.
This game became extremely convoluted after the pendulum and link cards were introduced and I haven't touched the game outside of Duel Links since
I think link truly finished it off
Sorry, but pendulums are being added to duel links
Pendulums were just added to duel links soooo......
But honestly thank god we needed something to shake up the meta then just onomatoplay players that keep playing with their sister every turn
Pendulums and links are intimidating but easy to figure out with hands-on experience. I couldn't make heads or tails out of either mechanic until I started messing around with them on YGOPro, but then they just kinda clicked.
But to describe them:
Pendulums are straightforward - just set your scales and then you can pull a YGOTAS Kaiba with all monsters who's levels are within those scales. So if you have a scale 2 on one side and a scale 8 on the other, you can summon every monster in your hand and face up in the extra deck who's levels are between 3 and 7. And then when Pendulum Monsters are destroyed (not banished, tributed or discarded), they end up in the extra deck face up.
Links are a little trickier, but they're also the most accessible extra deck monsters since their summoning conditions are HIGHLY generic. You basically just tribute the link materials listed on the card, and then summon it to either an Extra Monster Zone or a monster zone with an arrow on another link monster pointing to it. If you use a link monster as a link material, it counts as the same number of materials as their link value - to summon a monster that requires 4 materials, for example, you can use four regular or Link 1 monsters, a Link 2 and two regular or Link 1 monsters, two Link 2 monsters, a Link 3 and a regular or Link 1 monster, or a Link 4 monster.
One thing we can agree on, The game overall is too expensive.
"Because Seto Kaiba is better then Yami Yugi, It's a fact!"
Team APS: He has a point there.
YESSS!!!
Only plebs and not real fans of Yugioh say that (this a joke not trying to be toxic) I've watched every yugioh including up to svens I am a big fan of all of them, but 5Ds Yusei Fudo is best Protag plus best character overall. Fight me Dragon Lady
@Ragui Roussel which is why in Duel Monsters Kaiba's only win against Yugi was when he basically guilted Yugi into giving him the win when he threatened to take his own life should he lose on top of the duelist kingdom??
@@mageside The backstory of Kaiba in the Noah Arc tells you why he so protective of Mokuba. Gozoboro was a really shitty dad, plus Kaiba is the strongest duelist without a superpower why he calls Joey a fourth rate duelist with a third rate deck.
Joey isn't as skilled, but hes pretty lucky. Skill doesn't matter if you get lucky. (Reason Joey plays a gambling deck is actually kinda fucked up. Joey's dad was an Alcoholic Gambler in the original manga. This also one of the reasons he was a bully in the manga and to Yugi. Reason why his mom left them with Serenity not only cause of her condition which was still part of the Japanese version, but she got sick after they left then it became his motivation.
It was Toned down in the English version, but it was referenced during battle city arc when Joey left to go participate leaving his house. His dad had like a cold one and was lounging in a chair while watching TV. Also, Yugis mama showed up right when Yugi was leaving for the date with Tea.)
Kaiba is skilled, but he also has above average luck. Exact quote (from the dub) "I always draw what I need, and this duel is no different!" Against when he fought the Alantean villian with Yugi, only reason I forgot his name cause it was filler. Also, Kaiba was that Niño at the playground looking for 3 blue eyes white dragons
@Ragui Roussel Kaiba was overall a dick, in my opinion. He had an elitist attitude, I mean it was warranted due to him obviously being a rich a hole, but I still didn't like his character. I can respect him for his resourcefulness, intelligence and badassery, but his Elitist attitude gets in the way of that a lot.
Yusei Fudo is baiscally Superman/Goku they are without a doubt people who inspire Hope Truth and Justice. Which is why I love Yusei people says hes a Gray Stu, but he's a Protag and character I can look up to and inspire to be, an Intelligent, Strong, Dependable, a Badass, and kinda hearted individual. Funny thing is his parallels to Superman this rabbit hole goes deep my dude.
I have a theory that the spell thousand knives was created specifically to deal with blue eyes
Never played Yugioh, but can totally agree that a lot of what he was saying happens at Magic tournaments and playing at locals. Theft, rule sharks, common decks at tournies, reprint, or re engineer cards (same basic effect, maybe a bit weaker then prior, at a higher mana cost). I finally quit quit MTG 12 years ago, as I just didn’t want to pay to play each new Type 2 series to come out. Didn’t become fun anymore.
I can defs see the parallels but just in my opinion ive just switched over TO mtg from yugioh and its been INCREDIBLY refreshing.
One of the biggest differences that causes issues is that Yugioh a)doesn't have official formats and b) will never receive any support for a community format from Konami themselves. Commander/EDH and WotC actually supporting it gives mtg a massive amount of freedom in that when players feel beat down by standard or whatever you have so many options to change it up.
Also, from what Ive seen MTG doesn't fundamentally change the way the game functions, where every new gen of yugioh has been recently. Its not enough to not have any resource system to limit what can be done in a single turn, they actually feed into some of the problems of the game to sell more powerful decks. Which you NEED to run the WHOLE deck if you have a certain card or whatever in yugioh just cause of how dominant the archtype stuff has become.
Most games don't make it past turn one at this point and Konami's bright idea was to give people extra summon zones and a mechanic to give them as many summons as they want for no cost.
feels like when a new mechanic is added to MTG its just treated like a new ability type, or something that doesn't actually break the flow of the game.
imagine if red deck wins could kill you before you drew your first card is basically the situation.
I quit YGO almost 10 years ago but saw the upcoming stardust support and got bit by the bug. I do play Magic and Pokémon and many of these things do exist in all games. The aforementioned games do have better prize support and have less stealing in my own personal experience. Team APS really makes me want to learn the game again. Thank you so much for your fun and insightful videos.
I’ve always admired the ability of Yugitubers to be objective about Yugioh and admit to the game’s/scene’s flaws!
I don't quit, I just have periods where I don't spend money.
Basically me...
That’s the way I play. It’s healthy on my wallet and it allows me to get used to/attached to my cards.
I love yugioh, played it when i was a kid and never stopped, im almost 26 now and nothing could pry me away from this game. I am well aware of all these issues in the video but honestly, the main one that is a problem for me is the theft, a local card shop has basically lost all its yugioh players due to their cards being stolen regularly. a very big shame but I have found a new place to play now.
This is good stuff man. I appreciate you. I had my favorite deck stolen as well and it made me quit for a while. It’s the people i play with that make it worth it. Keep up the good work !
to me there are only 2 reasons to keep playing ygo:
1) having friend(s) who play the game with u
2) a nice/healthy ygo community in your region
otherwise it just feels wrong, might as well stop and find another hobby
true but I don't have either of those
MTG was great until recently and Warhammer 40k has been nice
Lol, healthy ygo community? Nah fam
Pretty cards
@@_Asleep_ Dragon maids
I went to my first tourny, had my deck stolen, never went again. They steal cards because it costs soooo much to build a deck.
Bro someone would be swallowing there teeth!!
Lol kick their ass
???? Stolen? How did that happen?
Don't leave your deck unattended. It sucks that people do this, it sucks that this happened to you. Don't want to victim blame here, but if you do go to tournaments exercise caution because people absolutely do this. The world is fucked.
in these videos there are always so many people, you'd think the thief would get tackled right then and there
I stopped playing after 5Ds or so, and I had to re learn all the xyz, link, and pendulum cards, wasn’t too hard to learn but it did take me a minute to get back into it. It’s a lot easier being an adult having money then being a kid that’s for sure! I’ve been able to add a lot quickly. I’m trying to get back into tournaments at some point soon this year
That's exactly where I'm at right now. I left at about the end of 5DS (and I played the video games mainly and was never into the meta much). I don't fully grasp all the new mechanics yet or know the hundreds, maybe thousands of cards I am not familiar with yet, but I'm getting there. I just started playing Master Duel right now, and am playing through solo mode and ranked duel casually to earn stuff. I dunno what deck I'll build, but I'm having fun figuring things out.
I used to play Yu-Gi-Oh. When y'all complain about $200 cards, I cant help but laugh. Because y'all get reprints. Magic the gathering has a reserved list so that shit doesn't happen. There's a $35,000 dollar card. Hurts my soul.
Yeah but some reprints are still expensive lol and there is more than one card that costs over $35,000 in our game lol
oh yeah the dreaded black lotus
The reserve list doesn't impact the majority of cards. it's like maybe 100 cards long? Low hundreds at best. And there's still millions more that are completely available to print.
This point is EXTREMELY exaggerated in this video. 1st edition prints of cards in highest rarity in the set they originate from, will retain value.
@@christopherreichle6670 yeah but most of the most powerful cards of all time, bc of the reserved list, will never be reprinted... ever... in any form. Besides, wizards doesn't really reprint in the way Konami does anyway. When a chase card is released by Konami it WILL be reprinted whereas a chase magic card may never be reprinted and even if it is it's only ever in limited run, higher price, "master's sets" (obviously there are exceptions, but as a general rule it's pretty good)
To be fair, Paul said that there aren't really any cards going for 200$ right now....
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*10k Dragon walks into the room*
"Hey y'all how ya doing?"
except that card is for collector value not for play even though one can play it in a duel but why would they the card is expensive and it sucks
He was obvioulsy Talking about Staple/meta cards. There are even cards with prices that go up to 2000$
@@KaruTheShade extravagance when i got one copy of it was at 50-70 dollars unless thats not a staple
@@evandeland6867 It's not since not every deck can play the card. For example a combo deck like Adamancipator cannot play Extravagance since it would most likely hit the the cards they need to combo with. Pot of Desires would be a better example since it can allow almost any deck to draw 2 cards just by banishing the top 10 cards face down and unless you are playing a deck full of one of's that you need in order to combo you should be fine.
Evan Deland extravagance can be considered as a staple since without it you can’t play any control deck, except For true draco. I know are not having a great impact into The meta For The last 7/8 months but they are still a good way to play
Me: I'm not sure Yugioh has a power creep problem.
Golden Lord / Adamancipators walk in: Sorry were late.
Needle Fiber: Hey guys, your just in time! Linkross and Red eyes Dragoon are on their way!
Funy thing is, if you gon on cardmarket (the eu equivalent of tcg player) Adamancipators are cheap. You can buy the whole deck with less that 50 bucks. Only the NA seems to have them overpriced.
@@justaredstring7517 noodle, linkross or carrier aren't the most budget cards
The adamancipator girl too (can't remember which it his)
@@liosan431 the Wind Synchro or the Turner?
Control BA rn as well, it looks like it’s been straight up ripped out of 2014 and it’s still holding up
@@nikolasota4162 Probably Researcher since that card is $50 right now. Risen Raptite is only $0.20.
I like how that guy is trying to make everyone else experience his personal experience. None of the things he said have ever made me want to stop playing YGO. It’s just made me pay attention & make sure I protect myself & my interests.
I can totally feel that for me, trying to get back into yugioh, is quite touch. I haven't played in quite a while and I've been wanting to get back into it, but I'm not too sure how given the scarcity of locals in my area due to the pandemic and support for locals slowly dying out...
I did quit from playing Yu-Gi-Oh,
I will never quit from loving Yu-Gi-Oh.
Yea
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yes!
You legend
Yabai also 69 likes lmao
"the newest deck is always better" proceeds to show BA after Qli
To be fair, BA can still kick asses after what, six years? 😁
@@arekkusubasu5779 yeah, not saying BA isn't STILL good, but if the point is "newer is better" and you're showing progression of good decks from 2011 to 2016, showing qli THEN BA hurts your point, because BA didn't come out after qli like the clip suggests: dante and the boys came out a solid 2 or 3 months before qli
DroppedMyMarbles DroppedMyMarbles I know what you mean, I just wanted to point that out 😁
And all new decks never always win cause it really always depends on what you get in hand change my mind
@@alexmc4529 absolutely not, compared to other TCGs, starting hands don't really matter in competitive yugioh bc of mass-searchers and ss from the deck
I have "quit" 3 different times. You don't ever quit, you always come back. :)
as a kid, it is really hard to learn how to start playing, especially without anyone helping me learn
Back when I was 6 I remember thinking Blue-Eyes & Level 8 or higher monsters in general took 3 tributes for some reason, which later transitioned to thinking it was Level 9+ taking 3 tributes, presumably because the God cards were 3 tribute monsters.
I don't know if you have a local card shop, but at least there are youtube videos and subreddits etc where people would help out. There's a lot of useful information out there and there are ways to get in touch with the community for questions and stuff
My relationship with Yugioh cards is pretty casual, but even I when I heard the 1000 dollar comment was like:"That's not much?"
I mean I haven't spent nowhere near that on my cards, but I have other hobbies and having any kind of hobby and taking it seriously is expensive. Doesn't make it inherently bad or a cash cow.
The "You a grown ass man.." made me laugh. My ex-wife said that to me when I wanted to buy cards. Lol
No wonder she's an ex
Lol yeah, no wonder, I buy cards along side my husband! Lol
Good thing she’s gone
Coming from someone who started about 6 months ago, it must suck when learning hands on with someone to start. When I started, I just started playing Duel Links and asked my friend any questions I had. I didn't know what Synchro was until I actually unlocked 5D's, and got Xyz pretty quickly cuz I started playing before ZEXAL was added to DL. But still, it was really overwhelming. Hell, when I got into irl yugioh, I saw pendulum and link and freaked out lol. If theres anyone reading this that want's to teach someone yugioh, and the person learning is committed, teach them like the more complicated stuff just doesn't exist, and slowly teach them it overtime.
I quit modern format a long time ago. I don't even necessarily think that goat format is all *that* great but it's just the type of game it is vs current format...
I stopped playing Yugioh once i realized the guy with the most money will always win, obviously this isn't always true but as a kid who couldn't afford meta decks trying to play the game was a miserable experience. Its not just a yugioh issue, its literally the problem with every single card game
I summon my mothers credit card in attack mode and end my turn! 😂
It’s fun to play with deck limitations such as limiting decks to archetype only cards (bar maybe a couple generics) with friends to reduce insane combos and make more competitive games for cheap.
@@bloodarcher7841 This is literally the game!
ChillaxHD It’s definitely possible to win without a huge excess of money, but obviously the odds won’t be in your favor all the time. To compensate for it, you need to spend more time researching the game, making counter-strategies, and making the most out of the cards you can buy. So long as your scope isn’t winning YCS which would burn a lot of time and money just to travel, I’m sure you can play well with budget decks in locals and a few regionals and call it a day.
@@GiantCaliber hell i spend the same money but i play off meta all the time
My budget cardians deck tops regionals sometimes
Though my main deck is my $600 Trickstars deck that wants light stage at 3 badly
Me, who got into Yu-Gi-Oh as a 10 year old when Link already existed: You underestimate my power!
Torico Gaming me to man I’m ten rn
Let’s go buddy’s you and me too brother
I teach my 4 year old cousin how to play adamantia and im 13 rn lmao
I remember being 12 and having to shill out BILLS just to get XYZ monsters. You guys can buy Crusadia for like 10$ by getting singles and steam roll kids EASY!
KEEP THE GAME ALIVE!
Quality NamingSystem ok sir all try
The video games helped learn a lot and me and my roommate just bought the most recent switch port of the Yu-Gi-Oh game at least because it goes up until March 2020. And that has allowed both of us who used to play back when we were teenagers to catch up to what came after synchros and exceeds cuz link summoning in pendulum summoning was intimidating as hell
The latest set I played was magic rulers... so a long time. I've been binging yugioh videos lately and I am truly shocked that there is no cash prize tournaments.
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Idk the banlist where they banned orcust harp and colossus engage and elctromite was kinda brutal
free the mite
@@darklightmotion5534 yeah that was unfair
@@louaidz1929 ib ban was maybe a bit too much too
@@liosan431 ib lead to full guardragon combo. She had to go
Dark Light Motion trishs alt lol
“We haven’t had cards cost like $200” me: ten thousand dragon
Also those new starlight rares or whatever the hell they are called
His example was more about competetive must-play cards, Ten Thousand Dragon is a collectors card.
@@plzcme434 yes but what about multiple 100 dollar short printed cards in the same format(sometimes needed at 3, in the same deck)?
Extravagance spyral immediately jumps to my mind just by that.
If you've ever played Vintage MTG, you absolutely need to have multi thousand dollar cards to win, to the point where some tournaments allow people to use fake cards
Ten Thousand Dragon is a collectors card exclusively, same with Starlight rares.
I’m someone who use to play and stopped around when XYZs were just coming out due to moving and not having anyone to play. And looking at how much things have changed with all this pendulum, link, and whatever else they’ve added. I think it’d be easier for someone who has no experience to start rules wise.
I'd think some good ways to help solve some of the problems is possibly a rules overhaul like limiting how many special summons you can do in a turn, how many copies of special summons you can hold in a deck, and possibly limiting how many different special summons types you can have a deck like not allowing decks with xyz and link summons or someone like that.
I’m not quitting, I’m taking a break - the price started to get overwhelming again...
That and it’s not fully skill based. (At the moment) Especially with some of those autopilot / ridiculous board decks.
Yea, but not all combo decks are “autopilot” even dragon link a tier 1 deck is incredibly skill testing, even most ftks require HUGE skill to play and lots of learning
SpyYGO Emphasis on “some”, I definitely know what you mean.
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My counter argument every deck takes some skill, you can even fuck up deep draw Exodia, just my opinion.
Since, every control deck needs to know what to negate.
Combo decks need to play around handtraps. (sometimes it's impossible, but it's actually most people do.)
@@burakkaankarakoc3879 Well, there are always alternate formats, like DL. Invest to the TCG if you are ready for the stuff to come.
@@burakkaankarakoc3879 Play retro formats. 2011 is quite popular right now, and Goat is always popular. 2014 is an option, tele-dad is a fun mirror, zoodiac mirror or nekroz mirror are always nostalgic. I sold all of my current format cards and picked up some nostalgia.
Me: *quits YGO*
Konami: "have you heard about Duel Links?"
Me: Oh, shit! Here we go again...
The thing I like about Duel Links, I get to laugh at the people who spend money on it. Seriously, as much as I'd like an extra copy of Red-Eyes Fusion and Red-Eyes Slash Dragon... I'm not gonna spend my real world money on a game that might not be around in 10 years. And you don't HAVE to spend money on a good deck.
@@MarioKaiba Well, I don't laugh at them but, neither I spend real money on it; I think it is for one self to decide whether to spend your time wich you could spend making money of or spend your money you got giving up your time D:
Duel Links is a castrated version of the game. Everything is just cut half.
@@DarkN3r0 Those cuts make for a unique new format to play it, and they can control the OP released cards "release".
No 2nd main phase give the backrow a more interesting approach and the skills, field limitation plus new monster trap rule, really takes your plays to a different perspective.
But, oh well, you can give it a shot by yourself, I left it (not entirely?) for the same reason I left TCG anyways.
@@BiohazardScott I tried it. It feels castrated, unnatural, super casualized. Feels like a simplified mobile cash grab instead of a complex TCG.
I've just bought Link Evolution and it is much better, and I only had to pay once without real money involved for opening booster packs.
Thanks for all of your content. It's wholesome.
Just got back into the game after a 2 year hiatus and the part about stealing hits hard for me. There was a couple of people around my location (dont know if they where friends, brothers, or lovers) who shared a collection and would be pretty toxic. Most of there collection was made from cards they stole from Walmart and tried selling online, I know this because they would routinely brag about it. They where notorious thieves and even stole or cheated friends of mine. My town doesn't do anything with the game anymore and I blame them for this, before they started going to local tournaments we had a very large community and could have 60-80 people in at a time (where not a big town so honestly I couldn't believe the numbers when I first started, dont know if it's the same every where or not but for me that's huge) after a couple of weeks of there antics the numbers where cut in half, after a month there where around 10 people at a time counting me and the delinquent duo. After that the community was no more, it's hard for me to enjoy my hobbie any more thanks to two jackasses ruining it for everyone. So if you actually love the game then remember to respect your opponent, your fellow duelist, and your community. Do the right things and look out for each other. Remember that it's just a game, and where all here to have fun, and show off our skills.
"Don't steal peoples cards" (I agree mind you) also the anime where everyone steals each others cards all the time.
Yeah. They were the villains.
Se7en wasn't endorsing serial killers.
APS: Unhealthy buying decissions
Also APS: Here's Larry in the hole, last episode we were down for 84 dollars, let's see if we can profit...
Im guilty that as well
I’ve been clean for a few years now.
I have my favorite decks on display on a card stand in my man cave for nostalgia and I love the artwork.
On occasion if my favorite archtype gets a new card added to it I’ll buy it and just throw it in so it’s up to date.
So after playing pokémon competitively and playing magic the gathering casually commander with the lads in the café/local shop, now getting into yugioh, I think I would rather playing with alright decks for some casual games in yugioh, the competitive aspect is somehting ill be looking over with this one.
Just ordered a battle city speed duel box, it's going to be so much fun to play these cards it's an amazing product
I really, really enjoy playing Yu-Gi-Oh, and despite how much I'd like to be able to play with friends and relatives, I cannot recommend it to anyone who doesn't already play, because there's just too much to it, power-creep happens quite fast, and I'm just aware of all of the pitfalls in this game enough to dissuade me from trying to get any new players... It really is a sad reality, but I do believe the lack of new players, largely because of complicated rules and interactions, seemingly-arbitrary and confusing wording, and a rather high typical upkeep cost (to be competitively successful, at least), will be the death of the game, in the long-run.
try keyforge
What he didn't say in the video because he doesn't want to anger komoney. If you are new buy singles off line and research prices people will try their best to rip you off in a trade. You don't have to trade everything, some cards are better to hold on to and over time if you update your deck slowly you can put your remaining cards in a binder. Sealed product is rarely ever worth it. Play for free online first to get a feel for what can work. Take a long time to understand rulings and odd situations so when they occur you are not surprised. Play with and be familiar with all meta decks as all decks will be based around beating them if they are not meta themselves. Don't expect to win all the time, winning 50% of the time or more should be the goal. As a new player I don't suggest buying the most expensive deck as it may get hit on the ban list, instead shoot for something in the middle that performs ok and will have some longevity in the format. It will also be easier to buy cards for as the demand for your combo pieces will not be as high as other decks. You can always upgrade later if you wish. When in real life ALWAYS shuffle the opponents deck thoroughly before a duel(do not damage the cards so do a proper shuffle), seriously some people have no morals. If someone is slow playing you may have to concede a duel in order to save time for the next one in the match. Make sure you have a watch on or something to keep track of time because people will scam you on time. The slow play thing is an issue that could be fixed with a stop clock or something in between turns but until they implement this we will have to suffer. Last thing, HAVE FUN. You don't have to be the best just don't be the worst.
Just buy 4 old school decks and just use and play with them with family and friends, enough decks to mix and match and don't have to deal with anything else
Almost all of his arguments are absolutely legitimate tbh. Fact is Yugioh players are simply insane and perhaps masochists and that's half the beauty of the community.
All fandoms and communities are toxic to a degree.
Yu-gi-Oh was like that from the beginning. Most old school players are just too clowded by nostalgia to remember how annoying it was even back then. Or are you telling me that you loved running into Mirror force or trap holes? Or that you enjoyed Raigeki, Dark Hole, Harpie's feather duster or Heavy Storm getting rid of all your cards without any costs or combinations required? I am sure they all loved hand control or Chaos Control, preventing you from playing the game at all
@@pandaman1331 THANK YOU
@Shawn Lamb Could be, never got into MTG. But I have to admit that I haven't gotten into newer yugioh decks lately since it takes too long to ge used to them. The last time I tried a completely new archetype it took me around a week until I understood how to play it correctly. I don't have that much time on hand anymore
@Shawn Lamb as a Magic player I can say that “not quite” because (and I guess that’s a thing with all old card games these days) every expansion has its “thing”, such as: key words, cards that are OP but can be played since their strategy is on the weak side and lots of possibilities that people need to be aware that exist to counter.
So then, when there is too much generations gathered in one card game, and I mean ANY CARD GAME, it’s impossible for new players to know all that there is to know about the game without losing interest, and sure, with the ban lists you would think that they wouldn’t need to know about the previous cards, but the thing is, every new generation is an next step in the previous one, and that’s why there are cards with so much text lines, because every generation is a complexity upgrade on the previous one (to keep old player interested) and (as a result) this and other things (such as the very expensive cards and the constant ban lists) end up scaring away potential new players.
I’ve played my fair amount of card games to be able to tell this as a general concept, such as Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh, Hearthstone and Shadowverse.
I believe that this games will slowly die, but that’s ok, because new ones will born from their ashes.
I don’t know how to play (yet), but Yugioh has always piqued my interest, and I finally bought enough cards just to say I have a deck (I bought some a few years ago, unfortunately I don’t know what I did with them(I did find a couple I bought today that I had from then). But this video revealed some key information to me, and I appreciate you making the video. Keep up the work, man!
Wonder if they could just rereleased something like a "classic yugioh" edition, with a rule book that kinda winds back the rule sets to something a little simple/easier, and includes vanilla/earlier gen cards (or at least new cards that are designed for the edition), that way people wouldnt expect to have to learn every current rule and they could easily enter the game and experience it the way we used to
Would love that so much
speed duels does that
I really like these “discussion” videos talking about the state of the game. Good video!
they just need to go deeper
Something that I respect about these guys is that he is not mean about it he didn't trigger me for a second with what he was saying
Been fine with playing online only for the past few years. All this time i was considering playing live, because i thought there was prize money. Since there isnt... NOPE.
I’ve just gotten back into Yu-Gi-Oh. I am playing with some older cards mix with some newer cards. The main focus is to find people you can play with my first duel I’ve had in 10 years. The guy was teaching me how to use my cards, but he was very understanding and made some friends asked around. They were giving me cards for trading me cards that I really needed to build the deck that I felt most comfortable with. I didn’t have to spend a lot of money because I made some friends which is what the game is about to help me get better.
My #1 reason was not even on the list.
The banlist would be my reason #2 why i stoped from returning to yugioh.
Background:
I thought after some years (about 4 years) i could play some yugioh so i went to my local (still 40 minutes with car) card store.
After sitting down with someone i knew i asked him to look over my deck if it would still be any good to play with.
He basicly put about 1/3 to 1/2 of the deck on a pile and sayed: "those are banned. You cant play them anymore".
Reasen #1 would be that konami can just come along with a reprint and change the text of the card!
All old cards with the old text are then ether banned or just handled like they have the new text on them.
Basicly what yugioh combines is the price of a physical tcg and the disadvantage of a online tcg.
One other reason for not playing yugioh would be the card text.
Maybe it is just because i played mtg for a long time.
But if a card text looks like this whole comment, then theres something wrong.
For example: in magic there is a creature effect named"trample".
Now when you look in the rulebook what trample is then you find this: An attacker with trample can deal excess damage to the defending player or planeswalker even if it is blocked.
Would it be so hard to shorten the card text a little bit?
"You can only activate this effect once per turn" could be "instability" for example.
Well... enogh ranting :)
Wish everyone who has fun with this game more years of fun with it.
But it is simply not for me.
#1 tip for teaching Yugioh: Start out in GOAT format and work your forward through the eras. Nobody can eat a whole elephant in one sitting.
Playing the tag force series from the beginning forward is a good way to get into yugioh.
It doesn't sound like a bad idea
Hold my entire years
That's kinda similar to my yugioh story. I really got into Yugioh during the GX anime. I build an Ojama deck and had allot of fun with it. I took a 10 year break and when I decided to come back I had to learn all the new mechanics but I wasn't turned off, I was excited because I felt like I was a kid again learning about all these new cards. I rebuilt my Ojama deck with the ABC cards and now with the Armed Dragon Thunders I can finally bring out my Dragon Catapult Cannon. Sure I grabbed some good cards off of TCG player and I have a few meta style hand trap stuff in my deck like Ash Blossum but now thanks to the Master Duel game and great content from yugi tuber channels I feel like im enjoying Yugioh more than I ever have. Old childhood me playing my Ojamas would be proud. Lol
can confirm, my HS friends n i always somehow come back to YGO from time to time n build decks wit da current meta to duel against each other, sucha fun card game :)
10:30 lets not forget that majority of the "pro" players are sponsored. So whatever the players wins in prizing it goes towards the sponsor so the player almost never gets anything out of it. Although, it is nice to be able to travel for free, if youre trying to play competitively your honestly have to be doing it because you love to play yugioh. You shouldnt go in there expecting to plus out of the prizing. If youre worried about plussing from prizing then i suggest you spend your money else where and more wisely than on cardboard because no one without the help of others cant afford, unless youre making a descent amount of income, to play the game at a very high level or to travel the world to tournaments. They will always give the you the same answer, "priorities come first". You should honestly play the game because you love yugioh.
That is some wisdom right there
Farfa once said to me on stream something along the lines of "Yu-Gi-Oh isn't necessarily Pay-To-Win, it's Pay-To-Play, because even when you buy the best and most expensive deck, you have to be skillful enough to beat the other players with the best decks".
On an unrelated note, love the Duel Art book in the background!
You don't buy one good deck, you buy many decks to create your own good deck. (Most of the time)
yes
imagine not living in America or big country. Here its really dumb to waste thousand of dollars for a game that doesn't hold value and have nowhere to resell stuff. And at bigger tournaments ppl from other countries(yes, ppl just come in from other countries to destroy us) will come and destroy you will full meta decks.
Yugioh ain't about skill. It's luck of what you get in your hand and who sets up their boards of negation/prevention effects first. Skills implies that you can take a zombie horde structure deck and beat a deck with $1000 worth of cards. The most expensive cards generally have the best effects especially when it comes to negation/prevention effects.
Everyone who uses their mom's credit card wins and those do not lose so it's the same thing really.
You could have the newest deck and still lose, That's because everyone plays the same decks anyway so the likelihood of someone winning is 50/50
I got into Yu-Gi-Oh recently and as someone who is not willing to disclose their exact age online, *Yes*, Modern Yu-Gi-Oh is confusing and so much can happen with complete boards on turn 1. As someone who mainly played before Links were added to the game, it was a nice balance between fun and complexity but now it's just how many Link summons and hand traps you can get off per turn. Me and my buddies, when we play casually we don't use Link monsters as they just make the game broken in my opinion. I also happen to like Pendulums so I used those in my deck and the one time I went to my local card shop to game some Yu-Gi-Oh, I was asked why I run Pendulums and I just said that they were fun. He heavily disagreed, and refused to play against me. What sucked the most was that he was the only dude there to play Yu-Gi-Oh while everyone else was there for Magic the Gathering. I'm curious if you guys have any stories about how the complexity of Links and other broken archetypes have either enhanced or brought down your fun.
Haven’t played Yu-Gi-Oh since middle school when the original anime was still new. Recently got back into it thanks to Master Duel. There’s a lot to learn now but it’s fun
Basically the whole video is him going, "Yeah, kinda..."
Yeah I feel like theres more evidence why not to play then to play
Yeah, kinda...
Yeah kinda
Yes, all the video I was thinking that everything that is being said is "it's not THAT bad, but it's still bad"
He didnt really have a argument if u realize it, he gave partial solutions to each one that still don't fix all the problems in the game.
paul, from being a magic player for about 4 years to trying yugioh, the game is extremely overwhelming. but im having tons of fun learning! using your channel as a learning outlet. thanks!
Yeaaaaaah!!! 👍👍 👏
How is the less complex card game overwhelming to you
...wait youve only played magic for 4 years, that leaves to reason you never experienced cascade storm combos and how convoluted that shit gets
@@V2ULTRAKill no, my modern deck is storm and modern is my main format.. i understand all the "complex" combos of mtg
@@JeremiahJensen do you, do you know how fast maelstrom wanderer can go infinite in a cascade storm edh deck?
I do, and it takes more reading and knowledge than any ygo combo with any consistency
@@V2ULTRAKill edh is gross. Imo i just dont like it. I like being competitive. Edh can be but its casual
I have played this game since it came out in March '02 in America. What I loved about the game back then was how simple it was and there was back and forth card interaction. Traps actually were necessary and worked most of the time. The speed of the game was slow, but that was the beauty of it. You had to anticipate what your opponent would do next or prepare for a sortie come their turn.
Nowadays, it is nothing but hyper-summoning and making a negate board so the opponent has no chance to play. FTK decks are better than this. At least the FTK decks required a special hand to get it started. It became a gamble if the player could pull it off or not. These hyper-summon decks make the game for me no fun at all. I quit playing the game after Spyrals kept getting minced by the banlist, to the point the deck became useless.
I miss the old way of Yu-gi-oh. DM Era is where my heart will always be.
Too be fair spyrals was tier 0 lol
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I built the deck before it became Tier 0. Loved it because it was James Bond themed. Huge James Bond fan lol. Nobody knew Sypral Double Helix was going to make the deck Tier 0 overnight. I remember getting a couple of copies just before YCS Dallas(where I am from). I did not expect so many people running Spyrals.
My opponents ran Trickstar/Stun, ABC Dragon Buster, True Draco, 1 Spyral mirror match, Gouki and Kozmos.
I've been playing since the 90's and there were times I quit or just didn't have time for the game, but here I am 40 something mother of 3 and I still love this game. At first, when I got back in I was like wait what's a syncro summon? What's xyz? What the hell is penedulum? It was a challenge, but I actually enjoyed learning these new mechanics, and how to use new cards and tactics. It really helps keep the game interesting, along with getting new booster boxes. I love pulling out a shiny new piece of cardboard. To be honest, I will probably be like 90 years old and still trying to throwdown with my red-eyes deck. I love you red eyes! My pride and joy I spent a lot of time, money, and effort building it. I know it's probably obsolete by now, I don't care. I only ply with my kids right now. How do we not loose the next gen? Teach them! I taught my 3 kids how to play, and they love this game as much as me we have fun playing against each other's decks! Yugioh forever!
this is so wholesome 🥲
No one plays thunder dragons anymore everyone wants numeron for OTK, those cards came out a couple of days ago.
If the lockdown of the world wasn’t going on I’d still be afraid to go to my locals knowing numeron decks are in the wild now
@@nagolloop935 Just wait til The World makes an impact with Draitron :P
@@nagolloop935 Flying "C" Is quite effective at slowing down Numeron plays. At least prevents an easy Utopic Zexal.
Why don't you just play for fan with your friends with "for-fun" decks ? Maybe without link,xyz,syncro,pendulum cards so basically using only the cards from the first 2 anime series ? They cost nothing now .
@@jhonnydiamond Because, that isn't real yugioh.
I've been playing yugioh since 1996 when i got my hands on the Japanese packs and starter decks as a little girl. However, I took a break in recent years but, came back this year around covid. I've gotten around 4 decks now all are budget. Dinos, Salamangreat, Shaddolls, & Sky Striker. This has been fun for me as I don't spend or break the bank.
I agree with that dude 100% as a young man with no money I was effectively forced out of the game YEARS AGO!