PROFESSIONAL Pilot Gets LOST in the Mountains
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Not once in my 27 years as a Navy Aviator or my 25 years as 91 pilot of an individual have I had to spot a dirt road or a Highway to navigate. Hats off Ryan. Specular flying.
Hats off to these guys,amazing stuff
Ifr....I follow roads
Hello from Minnesota USA! Someone once asked Daniel Boone if he'd ever been lost and he said I've never been lost but I've been turned around for a couple of weeks.😄😄
Well said!
Make your videos shorter please
I would but TH-cam doesn't like short videos
Excellent flight. I totally was transported back to PNG in the late 80’s when we didn’t have the equipment you have now. The pilotage was still excellent!!
This was a great flight to show how challenging bush flying can be. 👍😊
Must say, the terrain you're flying over is all pretty much the same, no very distinct features like cities and that, it would be difficult to navigate visually. Mind you as a student, I have been lost on the taxiways before so.....
What can also compound difficulties is places marked on the map are not where they are so marked. They can pack up a whole village and move it somewhere else. I've seen that a few times before, landed at X marks the spot on the map to discover the village was moved 10 years ago and is now 5 miles away.
In times like these, it must be nice to be in PNG. You couldn't get further away from all this current insanity.
Be careful what you wish for! Sometimes when in PNG you wish you weren't. And remember, COVID is rampant in PNG, even in the remote villages so the insanity is very much in your face. I have no wish to join that party.
I would say Covid is spreading 10x faster here in PNG because the people are not scared of it, and everyone just hangs out together outside. It's spread like Wildfire!
Covid is the least of my current concerns. I worry more about WW3.
@@MissionaryBushPilot no fear. Good for them!
Oh, that sinking feeling when you realize that you got lost :D I felt for you!
But it's important to realize this quickly. Especially with poor or intermittent visibility of landmarks, it is not so unusual. Once I picked up the wrong highway, that I expected to lead to our home base. Well, I nearly busted the control zone (CT) of our large international airport instead, I was withing 800 meters of its boundary, converging.... :D
This happened after a tiring flight, winter afternoon, mist creeping in, high cloud cover, low-angle lighting from the setting sun.... perfect recipe.
What I learnt from that event: I must verify the direction of the road by compass. The wrong road was like 15-20 degrees to the right to the one I needed, and a quick glance at estimating it's direction would have alerted me that it looks very similar, but it's a different one from what I need. .
Then I learnt on my commercial training that no matter what, even in great VMC, I turn on all available gadgets (GPS, navaids) and keep them in my scan and situational awareness.
This served me quite well ever since.
You know its gonna be a good flight, if YOU have to give the tower the QNH, because of its faulty equipment.
Though you lost, you didn't panic. Both of you were cool. I think that was a stressful one. Presence of mind is so important in such situations, which you showed us. All the best, Ryan and Brad!!
Some years ago, flying in flat UK with a PPL in my righthand seat, the weather closed in rapidly. I was just below cloud and could see below, rhs could only see cloud. No GPS. He was having a wobbly and asked why we were weaving. I explained we were following the A12 which bends. Also explained that I was turning left and knew what I was doing as I had driven that the previous day. Much better to have someone like Brad in rhs.
Great video! I love the variety you have in your posts and the depth you go into to describe and explain every aspect of the flight! I'm sure flying in PNG can be very disorienting as much of the terrain look very similar!
Great job landing again Ryan, great flying skills have a great one see ya time see ya bye.
Awesome flight to Dinangat with a lot of suspense on the way, challenging the clouds. Following the roads can be tricky at times. I liked the appoach and especially the masterly landing at Dinangat. Thanks Ryan and Brad. God bless!
Man that was stressful just to watch - and then to land on to the strip of land WOW! In credible
Brad: "The highway is underneath us". Clearly an IFR flight. I follow roads.
Did plenty of that in South Africa in the 80's 🙂
They had roads in ZA in the 80s? Interesting history tidbit.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Indeed yes! The "Concrete Freeway" around JHB had 4 lanes each way in places. It was always congested at rush hour. Now in places there are 7 lanes each way. Still congested!
The freeway and national route system in SA is not bad. Just poorly maintained in some parts.
The rural roads have reverted to dirt tracks in many places, again owing to zero maintenance.
@@steveb1739 "The rural roads have reverted to dirt tracks in many places, again owing to zero maintenance" Yes that's what i meant.
In the 1980s many roads here in central Europe were dirt roads or gravel at the best of times and mud tracks at the worst and flattened by tanks in the time of war and decades after. Just as in the Ukraine now.
Today our roads are clean, many of them pristine, well maintained and one of the assets of every village. The second is water and irrigation. The third will become solar power in the future.
Most important is who has the nicest flower arrangements. But local pubs, inns, cafes, petrol stations and grocery stores shut down everywhere. They have become too expensive to maintain. Of course only in the rural areas where i live. Not in the big cities.
Hey….. what are those mountain goats doing up in these clouds…?
OMG....if Ryan doesn't know then we are in bigggggg trouble. I would have jumped out miles ago (thanks to trevor I always carry a parachute now lol)
You too? I would love to order one for my car. I could bail out anytime a bat tries to snatch me while driving home in the night. But there is none that fits.
Ryan & Brad, another great flight, brought back memories of our flights from Hagen to Lae back in the 8O's, following the highway was the way to go.We just had to keep away from the rocks in the clouds
Love these types of IFR flights. Road to river to (in my case) railroad and turn at the next crossing, go up the river valley 6 miles. The IFR flying with instruments is simply annoying. :-D Good flight and good resource management.
I would imagine you're familiarised with a few way-points (hydro-electric dam, Mt Helwig, Ramu Sugar). I really enjoyed that quite challenging. You'd probably be aware, the little triangle of Salamaua to South New Britain to Rai Coast get the ASIAN monsoon -- as opposed to the rest of PNG which get the Australian monsoon so lousy conditions in the south often equate to nice conditions in MAMOSE/ NGI.
Heck, I can get that lost on a clear day! 😂
Wow...what a flying spooky experience, good job....I rather get lost on the CA freeways and find a Starbucks cofee place.....as I say.........but the Pilots......................
Thrilling! Cool heads in a very challenging VFR environment.
which company does flights in and around PNG ? Does this include the Indonesian part of the island of Papua? Which is the regulatory body or ATC for Papua ? I imagine there's absolutely no flying in moderately bad visibility nor weather ? Not being able to identify landmarks , will get one lost ??
physically it is the Island of New Guinea. Politically, you have West Papua (Formerly Irian Jaya) controlled by the Indonesian Government as a province (Formerly the DUTCH East Indies). To the east, you have Papua New Guinea, about 45 yrs into independence. Formerly a 'territory' of Australia, administered on behalf of the British. So you have the Indonesian and the PNG sides of the country....... seperate and unconnected territories, so don't get it wrong.
Don't get involved in politics in either territory, or piss off either govt.
Don't do drugs/money/firearms... anything else that is suspect over there... your life expectancy will reduce....
Not too sure which Govt. is more corrupt.... so no freelancing...... only go if you know what is currently happening, and that your trip or flight or mission works in well with the current circumstances.
Don't pretend to be a reporter......reported have a short life expectancy there also....... A city reporter in PNG is sort of OK. Don't go to the provinces of PNG......... but don't do West Papua at all.
There is a an ongoing civil war / insurrection happening (within West Papua).......... you will be suspected as a combatant if you are a foreigner....... and definately locked up, if they run out of ammo. And maybe released.... sometime maybe. Maybe shot sometime. Just disappeared...likely..... after sometime has passed......whatever is convenient to them. What happens to people in a war zone with cameras or recording equipment, or cell phones..... are they considered as spies??? What happens to spies in West Papua....?? Just be careful. Not sure if you get a tourist visa to that province anyway.......and that is the Indonesian Govt way of protecting you. Don't go there (Western Papua), unless you have documents that you are sure about. The rest of Indonesia is awesome. PNG is awesome to........ neither are like western countries, so be more cautious about what you do over there.....
That was intense. Some serious navigation skills shown there - and proof that you really need both good personal navigation skills and instruments like G1000.
So difficult when you can't stop and ask someone for directions! The terrain, rivers, trees and valleys always look so beautiful from the sky.
yes they also all look the same from thy sky
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Hi Ryan,
Great flight. Love your Vlog...its like flying with you everytime enjoying every moment of specular remoteness and beauty of PNG.
Highway? Not exactly the 405😀 heading and time boys, heading and time
Awesome landing mate , I’m a student pilot and there’s no way I could stick that so smoothly haha
very cool😁👍👍two thumbs up ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐and five out of five stars
Very stunning and exciting flight!
Now you can imagine, how comfortable we are nowadays with our navigational equipment compared to the old times, where no GPS or even VOR/NDB was available!
That were difficult times!
Hey Ryan, looks like you're sporting a Faro Air in-ear headset. Have you tried the Bose A20 or the David Clark Pro-x2? Do you recommend the in-ear? I"m looking to upgrade from a DC H10 to a better quality headset.
I've watched many of your vids and every time you set down its as smooth as silk , Every time I've flown Manila to Ozamiz its as rough as guts , 🙂
Id be allright i get lost inmy own town thankfully in the era ofsat nav abd gps people dont needto askfor directions while driving, my executive vrain function system is non existant
I checked FlightAware. You were over Papau New Guinea.
That was hectic and brought back memories of my nav work, great stuff that's really next level flying in that environment
Fantastic video guys. You two should be training some of those big airline pilots in some of the "incident and crash" videos I also watch. Their lack of communication and flightt skills have been atrocious.
Stay safe guys . You are superb.
Geez, a couple of amateurs - I mean, how do you lose an airport? They should just do like the American pilots do, and follow the Interstate Highway system to the next large city. This video reminded me of the Keystone Kops movies, where they go in every which direction until they run into something. Or better yet, the old Johnny Carson show, when he talked about the Tales of the Fuggawi Indians... they were always getting lost, and would just stop and look at each other, and say; "Where the Fuggawi?" 🤣
Rather than following terrain so low and looking for land marks to guide you, why don't you just fly on a bearing (way point) and an altitude that gets you to where you need to go and then drop in? Maybe I have a simplified view of flying in PNG.
Because the purpose wasn't just getting to Dinangat, it was to learn the terrain. Many days in the afternoon, when weather starts closing off all your "easy" straight line routes, you have to know all your other options to get home.
Another problem that is rather dynamic in some areas like Papua New Guinea, New Zealand, West Papua and many others......... is that the clouds come and go and shift areas, and go up and down in elevation........... and generally do not co-operate with smooth movie making requirements
Amazing. I am sure that was frustrating. Very well done though.
IFR = I Follow Roads! Challenging conditions. It can get like that in NZ quite a bit. You get a glimpse of half a hill or a river or part of a town and try to make sense of where you are. It's too easy to rely on GPS so good practice going old school.
IFR bush flying - I Follow Roads, I Follow Rivers...
I recall happening to read a map warning not to fly up western US canyons, because the slope of the canyon may exceed one’s rate of climb.😱
For your information you can insert waypoint on your garmin system. please check the user manual
Welcome to my daily world in the 70's with JAARS in PNG.
Just noticed the "No Farting" sign, LOL.
Ryan: That was a little tense for me when you sort of lost situational awareness in that unforgiving terrain. Glad you have TAWS as a safety net, but still. You might consider entering a series of user created waypoints corresponding to your frequently used visual reference points for situations like this. I checked with a Garmin engineer (also my cousin) if user created waypoints would be displayed on the map if they weren’t included in the current active flight plan and she said they would. She also said that there was a selection in the MFD settings to retain those waypoints after power down. Hope this helps.
The purpose of this exercise was to introduce Brad to finding the way without the G1000. The unexpected low level cloud made it more challenging than expected but the Goroka valley is wide and they were flying at a safe altitude. It certainly demonstrated the difficulties of following roads and rivers. The Finnesterre Range is altogether more challenging in those conditions hence the return to the G1000.
yes, we actually have a few hundred user waypoints. The point of this flight was to no use the GPS, and start using the terrain as reference points so that when weather gets bad, and we are trying to get into Goroka on a MVFR day, we remember specific things about terrain that helps us navigate when the GPS doesn't do much for us because we can't always just fly in a straight line.
@@MissionaryBushPilot Your mission to these people who so deeply appreciate the difference you make in their lives is such a blessing. Just stay safe and try not to get lost, ok?
does someone know the thechnical side off this airplane? i dint understand how u can bring back the rpm without loosing torque
thanks for answersx
Another great video, Stephen King should get credit for the screenplay. What a thriller !
Oh yes I do know you are back in America and looking to buy yourself a small plane- loved your vid at Oshkosh
If he does not quit and get a one way ticket today he will make it. "Where is the road" "Where is the town we are looking for"? LOL!
There's a shack of some sort on short final, 30:11 in the video, that looks like its hanging on the side of the cliff! Must be an interesting place...
A friend who flew small aircraft in PNG during the 60's would have enjoyed this - thanks for the ride
Glad you enjoyed it
Well that would have been a Code Brown for me! Nice work!
What’s that mountain goat doing way up here in the clouds?😳
Thank heavens for modern technology and GPS. 🗺 🛰 🛩
Mk1 eyeball - there’s no substitute!
Amazing, just amazing! Your skills as a bush pilot are unparalleled..
you should get one of those GPS things ...
🥴
_"These are not the ridges you're looking for."_
This is absolutely terrifying
Steam guages and paper maps in the 70s, great flight
GREAT JOB LOVE WATCING YOU FLY
Beautiful flight 👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏Thank you for sharing 👍 👏 👏 👏
Which country you’re flying in
When will you switch to helicopter?
I saw you on flight radar 24 today
That's the most stressed I have seen you. One of those hot and bothered moments! Nice work.
Good video. . Cheers Ryan
I always liked your video's and the areas you fly in and out of. What amazes me is how and why do these natives congregate in the remote areas.What is out there that makes these folks live there? Amazing. Stay safe. Does Brad ever fly your plane and you just sit back and ride?
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the locals ('natives', correctly and scientifically known as Kanaka's, but considered an insult these days) congregate (make villages / little townships) all over the country. For centuries. Actually about 60,000 years of human habitation in PNG.
The people in PNG tend to 'hang around' in groups , talking, laughing, playing cards etc....... this is noticable to foreigners. They are a friendly sociably bunch of people, and tend to socialize with friends, neighbors and family. If you are new to the group, they will decide if you are good..... and they will treat you as one of their own. You will be welcomed.
Food is based on what you can cultivate successfully. In the highlands, all good vegetables from around the world are grown, better than they are, from their home countries. The climate for vegetable growing is superb. It is farming subsistence style and a little cash sales if you are lucky. Coffee and tea is grown. PNG coffee and tea is of high quality and great taste. It is used locally and also exported.
Roads and airstrips are a foreigner invention in PNG, during the last 60 /70 years or so. The foreigners think that they are remote. Just imagine what foreigners thought in WW2..... the Americans, Aussies, British and Kiwi's who were there in the 1930's and 40's....fighting the Japanese, who owned the airstrips, at that point in time!! But there was nothing if you were shot out of the sky........ some provinces just look the same from the air for hundreds of miles. With various tribes who were on the Japanese side, and some tribes who sided with the Allies... so as you bailed out of your shot down plane.... you just had to hope, and have faith.
The locals who have lived their entire lives there (and their ancestors before them) think that it is situation normal. It is their backyard, literally. They were born there. On that hill with the village. There will be a physical boundary that they cannot pass, unless they wish to risk mixing with the neighboring tribe..... who may be friendly or an enemy. The physical boundary will be a landmark such as a tree, a stream / river or a ridge. Distances are measured in days walk...... how many of their days walk, not a foreigners days walk.... that takes longer!! The countryside and walking tracks and terrain are often brutal. (Kokoda, Black Cat trails........ and many others)
Remoteness is not really a large concept there........... but being out of your home tribal area, and being in someone else's area, is considered very risky and dangerous, unless you have a legit. reason and introductions to the other tribal area. The 'landowners' in any given area have the power, pretty much over everything in the area. Make a social 'faux pas' / mistake and the outcome sometimes is not pretty. Just being there can be enough to have problems. Remembering that each area has totally different languages and customs.......so you often cannot explain your way out of a situation. In the remote areas, the lingua franca "tok pisin" (Pidgin) is not spoken or understood. They all have they own "tok ples" (home place/village) language;.......so 800+ languages in PNG. Not dialects or related languages...... it's a little different, from what most people are used to.
So in answer to you question, the area(s) that the locals congregate in, are their customary tribal areas, handed down for centuries and more, that these people feel reasonably safe in. (Despite territorial fights, also for centuries. But you know when a fight is currently going on, as it is pretty obvious)
They tend to gather in small villages for communal security against intruders / enemies. Safer having a few houses nearby than living out in the bush with no neighbors. Mutual safety and support. Within hollering range is good, so that you can call for help or give warning.
If you walk into a tribal area you will feel the eyes following you (even if you can't see them), as you are assessed......people are making their minds up about you and you reasons to be there.....they may make themselves known after a short time......or observe you for a long time to further assess you and your reason to be there. If you are accompanied by someone who they know, or who speaks their language, you will be OK and looked after. Otherwise you will face many questions by curious landowners. Statute Law means nothing in these areas. They will not be able to understand you or talk your language......... time to sing a cheerful song like "LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE" (Monty Python movie: The Life of Brian)
The law there is traditional customary practice. So it can get a whole lot worse than the movie 'Deliverance' !!!!
awesome flight!
You don't know what lost is.
Great experience, merci for sharing, cheers from suisse
This was a fun video to watch! Different from your normal posts. I never thought you could get lost with al your instruments. I know you love to fly, but flights like this seem like it could be physically and mentally exhausting when you go home at the end of the day.
That was the point - turn the instruments off and see how easy it is to get lost. Ryan doesn't get lost but has shown that whilst the G1000 is a brilliant tool in PNG it's not the answer to everything. Technically I guess it would be possible to program an autopilot to land at Dinangat. I wouldn't hold my breath - flying so close to the terrain is organic rather than technical.
yes, it can be VERY exhausting when dealing with bad weather and no good instrument procedures
Well that was a good one lads. Just shows how easy it can be to rely on the G1000 and how it can go awry very quickly with conditions in PNG, esp when only partial VFR is available like you had. Most enjoyable Ryan.
yes, the GPS only goes so far when dealing with weather. That particular day was cloudy, but not bad weather. Throw some thunderstorms and isolated rain showers with clouds, then....the GPS only shows you your destination, but not how to actually get there safely.
You guys were having a great time. The most fun vid yet. 😎
It actually was a lot of fun for me. I love flying in that type of weather
@@MissionaryBushPilot A chance to step out of routine and stretch your skills is always fun in any endeavor.
Great example of IFR in PNG -- I Follow Roads.
unfortunately roads look alike
hah the no-farting sticker
Map, compass, clock.
doesn't work when you can't fly in a straight line though. You have mountains, clouds, and rain, making dead reckoning impossible in PNG
@@MissionaryBushPilot math always works, sometimes you just have to make more calcs. I have a simple spreadsheet that can take in any number of legs, input for wind direction and speed, and bring you in on a carrier's 6.
great video, thanks
So interesting! My brother has his pilot's license, lots of fun! GREAT FLIGHT!
Highly interesting. You handled it supremely well.
Ryan has his Capt Willard moment…
Took a lot of guts to post that video... 😂.. pilots never get lost.. they're just uncertain as to their position..!!
Good piloting, admirable humility 👍
great landing
Great video
I have been 'lost' like that and had the clouds open up and BAM!! knew exactly where I was by the landmark revealed below......could have heard the sigh of relief on the ground below me....lol
I don't know where we are but there's no sense being late ............ and then that landing strip just sort of perched there .......... Nice Job!
These reminded me of a flight in a 182, lost the signal of the 2 GPS on the plane, flying VFR on top and had to Dead Reckon all the way to dest 😂, the worst part was when i got to pass a Sierra on to a Lake and deciding on my time when to start my descent....it was a nice throwback to my student phase, and this my friends was a lesson learned, to not rely solely on GPS and keep my antique piloting skills up to date haha! Great vid as always Ryan 🤜
A very interesting video. I wonder, though. It seems like you're only using an assumed ground track to compare with your chart. Can't you also use time and distance? Say, by marking an "X" at the last known location, along with the time you were at that location. If you had a ruler with your distance traveled per minute at an assumed ground speed, then you would be aware of the additional distance you were traveling while still trying to find another known location.
Great flight you two first class video it is always good to watch you find your way, and very challenging bush flying keep
up the good flights and keep well from Mike from Yeovil somerset uk
very Nice !
So....what do we have here! One good bloody instructor and one good bloody pilot trainee! Its good to see the communication between the two of you! Brad is learning so much from you and he's a good pilot too!
Extremely professional to admit a mistake was made and not trying to save face. Good message to up and coming pilots.
The decal above your center display, the one that is a red circle with a line through it, does that mean, "No Farting"? 😂
What an adventure! Not your normal, everyday boring flight.
Thanks Ryan warts and all great little vid can't wait for the next one.
Thanks!
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it