Watching legend play these old total war battles has made me realize just how much having a single entity wrecking ball has changed the way strategy works in total war
To be fair, its not a thing in multiplayer anymore. And being points based both in roster and in scoring multiplayer is as close to tabletop as you're gonna get (Unless you played tabletop against nobody?) I do like single player still allowing for power fantasy gameplay though. They should create a unit caps setting you can apply to single player though so you arent at a disadvantage against the AI.
@@booradley6832 no. I fundamentally dislike it, because it also Highlights another issue, mainly formations, morale and mass. Things the tabletop also better simulated with static models mind. And gw also isn't known for it's mechanical prowess in game design, which makes the state of total in general just more sad.
Wow, it’s been a couple years since I’ve watched you. Sadly I was never able to get into the Warhammar TW’s. Very happy you’re back doing some historical stuff 🍿
@@ZennZennster they are not, specially WH 3 its fucking trash, if he wants a better WH experience he should get Call of Warhammer: Beginning of The End Times
@@ZennZennsterthey are, but its not as much fun as using your units quality, like it was in medieval, or rome 1&2 where you can get a phalanx formation or knights charge an massacre enemy army with use of two units. Infantry mechanics in warhammer are are more like shogun 2 to me, doesnt matter how good but how many. Ofc there are lords, magic etc its fun, but you cannot put weight of battle in your elite infantry units anymore.
Same! Started a HRE campaign like the first one I ever played. I wonder if Legend can make a bump in the steam player count of the old games. How humiliating for CA if the release of Pharaoh and bungling of warhammer lead to people noticeably playing and watching the old stuff.
@@arthanor9631I remember my first M2 campaign, also as the HRE, going from bullying france to getting pissed off at Milan and Denmark. Don't havd the time to start up a new legit one but damn, unforgettable.
@buzter8135 the amount of things going wrong is pretty impressive. Seems like as soon as the rebel settlements are all taken up, anything can happen. Regardless of history or campaign objectives.
I really appreciate the cinematics of the sieges in this game, it makes so much more sense and the movement of the armies is considerably more relevant. The town layouts are vast and give opportunities for actual tactics. I didn't realize just how trash twwh3 sieges were until now😊
I love Medieval for the little things too, how armor upgrades are actually visible in game and look amazing! It's a beautiful game for sure, you can tell it was made with love.
I love how Legend completely shitted on the northern Peace by starting a major conflict between the Danes and Novgorod. "I see everyone is at peace here. I dont like that" (proceeds to comit warcrimes)
Been playing Total War since Empire and just recently got Med 2 and realizing just how in depth it is, praying for a med 3 and watching total war play makes me want to start my first campaign in this
@@realwolfingen8896i just wish for an engine so modders can give us the med3 we deserve in 10 years. CA s med3 will be shyte, i ve already accepted it😅
I want a spiritual successor to Medieval 2, NOT medieval 3 from current Creative Assembly. Like a sequel to this game, not warhammer with medieval skins and names.
If anyone's interested in hard-core Medieval German warfare and history I strongly recommend Schwerpunkt's videos: the guy is a PhD in Medieval warfare AND a TW modder, which makes him more than interesting to watch
I've been really enjoying the historical disaster battles/campaigns that you have been releasing recently. I also really like the idea, given the state of the campaign, of releasing the initial video with the opportunity for the community to decide if it is interesting enough to warrant an additional live stream or videos.
The forlorn hope is a term used to describe the first units into battle and the ones most likely to be completely wiped out. They were usually people who volunteered for a suicide mission.
@@anon2034 I guess you could call them that, they did volunteer to get free from prison but at the same time I dont think they were informed that they were going to be used to clear mine fields. 😅
I recently started playing Shogun 2 (Rise of the Samurai) again and I'm addicted to it again and that is the worst part of Shogun 2. The kill/death animations are so cool where they writhe around in pain and you see people duelling and doing cool animations. Everything about that game is amazing apart from the Naval battles in Rise of the Samurai and Base campaign and Fall of the Samurai has amazing naval battles.
I understand that feeling. I was adored as a child changing medieval 1 on rome and look how unit started to become structure build from singular soldiers. Imho peak of it is in Rome 2 thats still my facourite part. Sadly i feel that total war regressed from this point, warhammer, beside that its fun, feel like comanding meat pulp with hp bar and going forward.
@@marcin7054 Rome 2 on release was unplayable I ignored it for a year but then it was great. I still think my favourite is Shogun 2 FoTS or Medieval 2. Atilla is okay but its got a few promising mods that might be great when finished like 1212AD and Dawnless days LoTR mod.
If I could pick one faction in the whole MD2TW (dlcs included) as my favorite it would be the Teutonic order. It would be so awesome if they were somehow added to the vanila game after a certain event, like Mongols or Timurids. In any case, this is awesome content so keep rocking Legend!
Seeing you conquer the HRE as the Teutonic Order would be an epic livestream. However, the situation you've got the campaign into, it's not a disaster, anymore. Imperial armies are not stupid enough to take on fully functioning Citadels.
The name of the unit "Knechten" is a false pronounciation by the game. The true pronounciation of the unit would be "Knechte" which means "servants" in german. "knechten" is the corresponding verb which means "to subjugate" . "Knecht" is also the orign of the word "Knight" (because a Knight was the servant or "Knecht" of his lord or king). The germanic languages later diversified which is why in germany the name for "Knight" became "Ritter" which is more akin to the meaning of "horseman".
And fun fact, since "knightly culture" came into central Europe mostly throuh Germans, the term "rytier, rytíř and rycerz" are Slovak, Czech and Polish terms used for "knight", which is obviously loan word from Ritter. Languages are very interesting to me.
Hell yes. Another live stream. And that, with my favourite factions in the game. I really hope we get to see a live stream where you kick everybody's arse as the Teutonic Order.
i hope people keep sending these types of files in. its great to see some old school total war. great job keeping the interest in the previous total war games Legend!
As I was watching your video I think I had a jarring realization. I think the voice for the general for the Teutonic order in battle is NOVA from Battalion Wars. The exact same accent and sound it appears to me. If anyone here knows Battalion Wars from the gamecube I think you're a cool cat
Dude I have been watching you for years. And I never really got into medieval 2. Mostly fell in love with shogun 2 and the warhammer series. but this new retro content is great. getting me interested into the older games and the mods. keep it up. can definitely tell your have a better time. and happy your out of the creator program and doing your own thing. that is what I enjoy watching.
Really enjoyed this video and situation - would love to see a livestream of the rest although the next 5-10 turns will probably decide it. - live to get the recruits or bleed from 100 cuts before they pop :p Look forward to seeing how you pull through :)
Hey Legend (German teacher from Germany here :P), took me about 12 Years and your Video to find out, there is a typo in the unit name "Knechten" :) The word itself doesnt make any sense with the pluralsuffix "-n". Without it ("Knechte") it just means a special form of servants of the nobility in plural. :) Thx. a lot. I know it sounds nerdy, but it made my day :)
fun fact! the German Knecht and the English Knight both originally meant armed Rider. And that developed into the German Ritter, whereas Knecht developed into meaning "servant" or rather "serf" as it does carry many negative connotations.
LOVE your return to the classic era. Would absolutely want to see you more in Shogun 2 FOS, and maybe in general a pure cosmetic; graphical mod to ease the eyes heh? Best regards, fellow boomer mafia
i honestly changed so much as a player after i started watching this disaster campaigns years ago, i am way more aggressive, and although it sometimes bites me in the ass, coz i am simply not that good in battles it, is still a more fun way to play
Actually funnily enough very little light melee cavalry units actually get the fast moving keyword, one I know that does is the scottish Border horse unit. Also in kingdoms they actually gave two handed sword infantry effective against armour and made them worth using.
With the northern army, could you not have lifted the seige on the second turn? Then you could have gotten a draw-out opportunity and put a single useless unit in that city. In that case your army would be free from the plague.
I think it just flew over his head that this whole disaster save seems to be a joke on Assassins' Creed, you know his Templars got defeated by assassins?
Watching legend play these old total war battles has made me realize just how much having a single entity wrecking ball has changed the way strategy works in total war
i don't mind it in warhammer but keep it out of historcal titles it ruines the whole experience
@@Hslt95 It wasn't a thing on the tabletop either and shouldn't have been.
To be fair, its not a thing in multiplayer anymore. And being points based both in roster and in scoring multiplayer is as close to tabletop as you're gonna get (Unless you played tabletop against nobody?)
I do like single player still allowing for power fantasy gameplay though. They should create a unit caps setting you can apply to single player though so you arent at a disadvantage against the AI.
So just don't make a single entity wrecking ball?
@@booradley6832 no. I fundamentally dislike it, because it also Highlights another issue, mainly formations, morale and mass.
Things the tabletop also better simulated with static models mind. And gw also isn't known for it's mechanical prowess in game design, which makes the state of total in general just more sad.
The 180k in debt guy is gonna go in history as a benchmark for future saving a disaster campaign/battle videos.
Pretty sure there's another campaign from a few years back that has about half a million in debt and took 2-3 episodes to save
@@VanguardDeezNutzthat France disaster, right?
@@VanguardDeezNutzaaah the Macron's France campaign
Ivan the Cuckhold carried the Russ all the way.
@@erikvannik5208best rp campaign
23:30 "Legend of diplomacy here..."
that was brilliant
23:38 classic Legend moment right there. Got a great laugh out of that one. I wouldn’t expect anything less from him.
Legend really has to voice act as a villain someday.
Wow, it’s been a couple years since I’ve watched you. Sadly I was never able to get into the Warhammar TW’s. Very happy you’re back doing some historical stuff 🍿
The Warhammer games are a ton of fun! But I really missed this older stuff too haha
@@ZennZennster they are not, specially WH 3 its fucking trash, if he wants a better WH experience he should get Call of Warhammer: Beginning of The End Times
agreed
@@ZennZennsterthey are, but its not as much fun as using your units quality, like it was in medieval, or rome 1&2 where you can get a phalanx formation or knights charge an massacre enemy army with use of two units.
Infantry mechanics in warhammer are are more like shogun 2 to me, doesnt matter how good but how many. Ofc there are lords, magic etc its fun, but you cannot put weight of battle in your elite infantry units anymore.
The Warhammer TWs really suck tho.
Your recent disaster campaigns led me to start the old titles again. Please keep it up.
Same! Started a HRE campaign like the first one I ever played. I wonder if Legend can make a bump in the steam player count of the old games. How humiliating for CA if the release of Pharaoh and bungling of warhammer lead to people noticeably playing and watching the old stuff.
@@arthanor9631I remember my first M2 campaign, also as the HRE, going from bullying france to getting pissed off at Milan and Denmark.
Don't havd the time to start up a new legit one but damn, unforgettable.
@buzter8135 the amount of things going wrong is pretty impressive. Seems like as soon as the rebel settlements are all taken up, anything can happen. Regardless of history or campaign objectives.
I really appreciate the cinematics of the sieges in this game, it makes so much more sense and the movement of the armies is considerably more relevant. The town layouts are vast and give opportunities for actual tactics. I didn't realize just how trash twwh3 sieges were until now😊
I got WH3 at release and I’ve barely played it with how bad the sieges are being one of the 3 main reasons
I love Medieval for the little things too, how armor upgrades are actually visible in game and look amazing! It's a beautiful game for sure, you can tell it was made with love.
I love how Legend completely shitted on the northern Peace by starting a major conflict between the Danes and Novgorod.
"I see everyone is at peace here. I dont like that" (proceeds to comit warcrimes)
Best part was the fake out.
Normally, I'd start something, but with all this going on.... I'm gonna start something!
Literally got me to laugh.
Watching all the historical reminds me of how much i loved these games and how far the new ones are from what i actually loved
Been playing Total War since Empire and just recently got Med 2 and realizing just how in depth it is, praying for a med 3 and watching total war play makes me want to start my first campaign in this
I pray they make a new engine for med3, or atleast make it the best godamn warscape-engine game they ever do.
@@realwolfingen8896i just wish for an engine so modders can give us the med3 we deserve in 10 years.
CA s med3 will be shyte, i ve already accepted it😅
I want a spiritual successor to Medieval 2, NOT medieval 3 from current Creative Assembly. Like a sequel to this game, not warhammer with medieval skins and names.
Nah mate, actually you should pray that CA doesn’t do a Medieval 3 at this point. It’s gonna be a disaster even Legend himself can’t save.
The modding scene is what makes Medieval II great. Divide and Conquer (LOTR mod) is a personal favourite I've spent a thousand hours on.
"we won't be getting any ivan the cvckhold's in this campaign" had me spitting my coffee out. well played. 😂
If anyone's interested in hard-core Medieval German warfare and history I strongly recommend Schwerpunkt's videos: the guy is a PhD in Medieval warfare AND a TW modder, which makes him more than interesting to watch
cool, it's been 2 hours and nobody called him a Nazi yet :D
@udozocklein6023 really? Guess I’m not subscribing then
why would I care who you subscribe to? not to mention, ignoring someone because he is not an extremist is kinda funny to me.@@animefarts1488
Loving the current content. Feels so good seeing and playing the good old games, even tho it some times bit fiddly with the unit controls
Legend went from reasonable guy to skaven in a matter of seconds when deaclering war to novogrod
man. this renaissance of disaster campaigns of M2 has been glorious
This makes me want to play medieval 2 again. Teutonic knights are badass
I've been really enjoying the historical disaster battles/campaigns that you have been releasing recently. I also really like the idea, given the state of the campaign, of releasing the initial video with the opportunity for the community to decide if it is interesting enough to warrant an additional live stream or videos.
The forlorn hope is a term used to describe the first units into battle and the ones most likely to be completely wiped out. They were usually people who volunteered for a suicide mission.
Like Wagner prisoners?
@@anon2034 I guess you could call them that, they did volunteer to get free from prison but at the same time I dont think they were informed that they were going to be used to clear mine fields. 😅
@@jasoncreamer5747 Well, that is what forlorn hope means - lost hope!
@@anon2034 lost heap
Being part of the Fornlorn hope was also a good way to get promoted...if you survived.
Man these disasters are really and truly disasters. I've had Med2 campaigns run into rough patches but never this bad.
Ever since I lost my PC I've gone back to Med 2 and Rome on my phone. What a blast back to the past! Great stuff!
I'd love to see this on stream so we can watch how Legend handles this big army and how the thing he started in Novgorod unfolds.
I'm loving these Medieval 2 videos. They've really cheered up my week!
medieval 2 is just superior in many ways compare to new tw games damn so many features lost ...
They had gold and then started digging for lead.
INDEED would love to see a livestream out of this :)
Every time I see a new medieval 2 saving your disaster pop up, its like christmas morning. Love this shit man.
With so many assassins in the knight order at the beginning this feels like an Assassin's Creed shitpost.
lengend is on fire with medieval 2
Remembering the Medieval 2 had multiple layers of walls for fortresses makes me upset that we've lost that. It makes sieges that much more intense.
Omg, what a legend. To let that army withdraw, to drag them in a sally out battle capturing the castle in the first turn. Mind-blowing!
I recently started playing Shogun 2 (Rise of the Samurai) again and I'm addicted to it again and that is the worst part of Shogun 2. The kill/death animations are so cool where they writhe around in pain and you see people duelling and doing cool animations. Everything about that game is amazing apart from the Naval battles in Rise of the Samurai and Base campaign and Fall of the Samurai has amazing naval battles.
I understand that feeling. I was adored as a child changing medieval 1 on rome and look how unit started to become structure build from singular soldiers. Imho peak of it is in Rome 2 thats still my facourite part. Sadly i feel that total war regressed from this point, warhammer, beside that its fun, feel like comanding meat pulp with hp bar and going forward.
The most underrated game in TW series by mass audience, unfortunately
@@marcin7054 Rome 2 on release was unplayable I ignored it for a year but then it was great. I still think my favourite is Shogun 2 FoTS or Medieval 2. Atilla is okay but its got a few promising mods that might be great when finished like 1212AD and Dawnless days LoTR mod.
If you like writhing, ryona is probably your jam.
@@pablopablo3834 i never had ocassion to play atilla, but lotr in Divide & conquer for medieval 2 is marvelous
I would love to see a livestream! But a second episode would also be fine. Leaving it as it is now seems a bit unfinished.
23:20 Did not see that coming. But I should have known he wouldn't change his strats. 😂
dude ive been waiting for a vid on the teutonic campaign. This is epic, thank you
If I could pick one faction in the whole MD2TW (dlcs included) as my favorite it would be the Teutonic order. It would be so awesome if they were somehow added to the vanila game after a certain event, like Mongols or Timurids. In any case, this is awesome content so keep rocking Legend!
We need a livestream on that!
gotta love legend's sudden gremlin shift at 23:30
And here I was thinking you grew a second head when you almost showed restraint on attacking that Novgorod fortress lol. That's our legend
Seeing you conquer the HRE as the Teutonic Order would be an epic livestream. However, the situation you've got the campaign into, it's not a disaster, anymore. Imperial armies are not stupid enough to take on fully functioning Citadels.
Hearing Legend call them Knetschen was so hillarious.
23:38 Legend had a choice here. And he chose *violence!*
The name of the unit "Knechten" is a false pronounciation by the game. The true pronounciation of the unit would be "Knechte" which means "servants" in german. "knechten" is the corresponding verb which means "to subjugate" . "Knecht" is also the orign of the word "Knight" (because a Knight was the servant or "Knecht" of his lord or king). The germanic languages later diversified which is why in germany the name for "Knight" became "Ritter" which is more akin to the meaning of "horseman".
Yup, I always related the word "Ritter" to "rider" in english
yes, because it comes from beritten -> on horseback@@ajataraya5140
And fun fact, since "knightly culture" came into central Europe mostly throuh Germans, the term "rytier, rytíř and rycerz" are Slovak, Czech and Polish terms used for "knight", which is obviously loan word from Ritter. Languages are very interesting to me.
no one cares nerd
@@HenriqueRJchiki I care.
Hell yes. Another live stream. And that, with my favourite factions in the game. I really hope we get to see a live stream where you kick everybody's arse as the Teutonic Order.
The motto of the Order was: "Helfen, Wehren, Heilen" ("Help, Defend, Heal").Ja! So then they got greedy
they were a business from the very beginning; not sure what you mean by "then they got greedy" ^^
i hope people keep sending these types of files in. its great to see some old school total war. great job keeping the interest in the previous total war games Legend!
I never got into Warhammer, nice to see you back with historical titles. How about a Moors campaign?
"We shall reverse the reconquista!"
- some moorish caliph idk
whenever i see teutonic knights i love them, so i would enjoy a livestream on this campaign!
Great video as always legend ❤
Its such a gem of a game.
Remeber when dlc was acctual content. Like 3 new campaigns...
These days its like, look, new units and power creep...
so happy to see you doing rome and med 2 content again
I definitely second making this campaign into a livestream!
Loving those old total war videos, Medieval 2 in particular. Please keep them coming, they're way more fun than Warhammer ones!
As I was watching your video I think I had a jarring realization.
I think the voice for the general for the Teutonic order in battle is NOVA from Battalion Wars. The exact same accent and sound it appears to me.
If anyone here knows Battalion Wars from the gamecube I think you're a cool cat
Dude I have been watching you for years. And I never really got into medieval 2. Mostly fell in love with shogun 2 and the warhammer series. but this new retro content is great. getting me interested into the older games and the mods. keep it up. can definitely tell your have a better time. and happy your out of the creator program and doing your own thing. that is what I enjoy watching.
Really enjoyed this video and situation - would love to see a livestream of the rest although the next 5-10 turns will probably decide it. - live to get the recruits or bleed from 100 cuts before they pop :p Look forward to seeing how you pull through :)
I also recently started to play it, absolute blast. Started with TO, then probably going Lithuania or Poland.
Hey Legend (German teacher from Germany here :P), took me about 12 Years and your Video to find out, there is a typo in the unit name "Knechten" :) The word itself doesnt make any sense with the pluralsuffix "-n". Without it ("Knechte") it just means a special form of servants of the nobility in plural. :) Thx. a lot. I know it sounds nerdy, but it made my day :)
fun fact!
the German Knecht and the English Knight both originally meant armed Rider. And that developed into the German Ritter, whereas Knecht developed into meaning "servant" or rather "serf" as it does carry many negative connotations.
MOORRRRRRRREm haha. These have been great! Feels like you've come alive again.
23:17 Another meme worthy moment, thank u Legend.
Teutonic order YES my favorite faction!
I love footknights, I dont know why.
If any of these city maps were in Warhammer, they would be the best maps in that game easily.
LIVESTREAM please! Love to see the teutonic order.
Quick sidenote - as a german I love know you pronounce KNECHT ❤️❤️
I honestly am so happy to see less livestreaming and more casual videos like this.
First thought on seeing the map - the Empire called; they want Marienburg back.
Steiner's counterattack.
yes livestream it
damn you legend I've been watching you play medieval 2 and made me install and play it again
Loving the historical gameplay vids.
LOVE your return to the classic era. Would absolutely want to see you more in Shogun 2 FOS, and maybe in general a pure cosmetic; graphical mod to ease the eyes heh? Best regards, fellow boomer mafia
Great work. Would love a livestream of this.
WHICH MEANS NOTHING 23:35 oh Legend you do make me laugh
I think there was some sort Assassin's Creed reference with all the Assassins.
This is it guys , Teutonic Order has fallen
I'm concerned that all the prisoners Legend has executed is giving him dread points in real life; he seems more and more unhinged every new video
"let jump to war here" - TH-cam subtitles.
The good old days when DLC meant basically getting almost the equivllent of a saga game :(
Yeah..i'd say we absolutely want a livestream
i honestly changed so much as a player after i started watching this disaster campaigns years ago, i am way more aggressive, and although it sometimes bites me in the ass, coz i am simply not that good in battles it, is still a more fun way to play
I love the kingdoms campaigns for being challenging, having to face a lot of elite units that force you to change up your strategy.
As a Polish person I think it's not worth saving
Save the world the trouble
When you're marching through Ścieżka Ekologiczna Gmina Lubowidz and the trees start screaming "Kurwa!"
Realmente love watching you jugar medieval 2.😁😁👍
This dlc would be an entire game in modern total war, and it would be $70 lol
I forgot how bombastic the Teutonic OST is. Man, I miss the old games. I hope they never make a Medieval 3, it can only suck.
Hey Legend, would really appreciate if you could do a livestream for this campaign as well! Keep up the good content!!
Legend of Total Collapse!
Actually funnily enough very little light melee cavalry units actually get the fast moving keyword, one I know that does is the scottish Border horse unit. Also in kingdoms they actually gave two handed sword infantry effective against armour and made them worth using.
Man Medieval 2 still ages like wine. Sour wine for sure due to some of the clunk, but wine nonetheless.
Had a little bilbo baggins moment there
I allways loved that campaign. Especially as an ethnic Prussian the timeperiod is of personal interest.
With the northern army, could you not have lifted the seige on the second turn? Then you could have gotten a draw-out opportunity and put a single useless unit in that city. In that case your army would be free from the plague.
Alternative title: Teutonic Disorder
"this guy has no dread" is like "this guy has no hoes" but in legendspeak
It's been ~19 hours, when is part 2 coming out? Even camrip will do
Would like to see more, be it another episode or a livestream
23:35 - Skaven Legend strikes again.
Legend unleashing Ritterbruders against HRE in a livestream? Where do I sign?
With all these videos on the older titles could you do a top ten mod list for them?
I’d be down for another live stream!
That's not the Teutonic Order, that's the League of Assassins ;)
I think it just flew over his head that this whole disaster save seems to be a joke on Assassins' Creed, you know his Templars got defeated by assassins?
Keep the old games alive , they're the real TW games.
Hey Legend, could you do the Tier List series for Medieval 2? Everyone is really enjoying the return to historical TW!