@@lolasdm6959Goofy ahh comment, Bruh, because they had a civil war in 1342 that saw Serbia take most of their land. Ottomans took the least from the Byzantines than all their other enemies. And before that we have the 1204 4th Crusade where the Byzantines literally died, lost Constantinople and shattered into successor states. But my meme response to you is “civil war and infighting never again.”
11:25. Wow, Medieval 2 ages like wine. Looks like an actual war is happening. Can't believe you can run so many units in one battle and not be utterly unplayable.
Honestly just needs some gui changes, more modern army controls (click and drag formations and firing arcs) , and some quality of life adjustments and it would be the perfect total war.
@@link670You're right, we don't need graphical detail, just QoL: gui organization, unit responsiveness, firing arc overlay (and smarter AI, I didn't say smart just smarter).
I remember one time when Mongols came. Three massive armies. I played English and I was in Holy land. I knew I can't do anything in open field and my only chance was to slow down their cavalry so I decided to take a stand at a river crossing (probably Jordan). A little bit behind the crossing there was a steep hill so the first thing I did was to position longbowmen at the bank and make stakes in front of them. Behind them I positioned pikemen and billmen and on the hill I positioned some archers with one trebuchet or mangonel or whatever it's called, behind them. I had some infantry watching the flanks and cavalry in reserve. Then I was ready. I started the battle and immediately pulled longbowmen to the hill, behind archers and told them to hold fire. The horde arrived and started crossing the river. It slowed them down so archers kept shooting the arrows on them. Then I unleashed trebuchet with cow carcass in he middle of the Mongol group who was stuck in the river unable to cross because of stakes at the crossing's exit. Dude, it was a turkey shoot. When archers spent their arrows I pulled them back and sent longbowmen in their place. One of my favorite battles. I know it's too long to read but I had to say it. :P
Slightly smaller scale battle between me (french) vs portugal, if i lost that battle, it wouldn't have mattered. But I was the defender, and the battle terrain were these grassy hills. Terrible for my cavalry, but perfect for my crossbows and spears. It was magnificent. The enemy just took free body shots while my spearmen held, theres somethiny so exhilarating in just knowing you're set up perfectly.
I was there when Legend conquered Anatolia with a single Gaul General , I was there when he saved Rome against 5 full stacks of Barbarians with a just cav unit and some low tier pikes, I was there when he was a Purehearted Crusader, I was there when he was an evil English King, I was there when he destroyed every single economic theory by repaying the largest debt ever recorded with the power of the mighty Cheese , now I am here to watch him make probably the best youtube gaming content , on a 20 year old game costing less than 10 $ ... what a time to be alive !
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Yup, I learned the hard way as Byzantines that while you can roll over every other faction by spamming horse archers and cavalry, you can't do that to the Mongols. Gotta make use of foot based archers primarily to outshoot their horse archers. Love the situation though, it's situations like these that make me love playing Byzantines.
Ive been playing Medieval 2 like made the past few weeks. Ive noticed on different campaigns that sometimes the Mongols will steam roller most of the map or just stand around doing nothing for 100 turns lol
The way legend played here was more or less what would've happend had Charles de Gaule mobile army idea actually got off the ground and worked out in the end.
@@etienne8110it wasn't useless In fact It did it's job by preventing the Germans from not attacking from where the line is... problem is...the french didn't think the Germans would go through a Forrest lmao
@@steyn1775they didn't think the Germans *could* go through that forest. Subtle, but important difference. The Germans also outflanked by going through a different country, which was a lack of imagination on the French part to not have preparation for.
@@justhecukeThe French pretty much knew the Germans were going to go through Belgium and prepared adequately. Their best troops, Army Group 1, were positioned at the Belgian border, but much further north than the Ardennes, despite repeated warnings from Corap's 9th Army that covered the Ardennes approaches. The responsibility of the defeat lies almost exclusively on the dipshit that Gamelin was, as he refused to see evidence that even old fools like George or Huntzinger, both fairly bad generals, could see. And incidentally, Gamelin was the Allied CiC on the Western Front, because he was the only one French politicians trusted. The idiots feared that another general could turn the troops against the Republic to instate a dictatorship
I always get reminded how the byzantines got the shaft in this game: No gunpowder units outside of the basic bombard, no real armor penetration outside of the Varangians, the Archers are very underwhelming, no crossbows, the only good thing is the cavalry, but even the horse archers get outclassed most of the time by the Turks, their direct rival
@@Shadow.24772 Not often, but once you enter the late lategame, and when you have some fun rather than just 100% efficiency stompfesting it comes up, also, its not the only issue of the byzantines, who lack everything that isnt on a horse
@@thecursed01on a campaing their cost/stat ratio isn t the best. I d rather field 4 other units for the same costs. Byzance in particular has over effective cheap archer cavalry.
@@thecursed01 cav archer pros: they can shoot decently well, they move good, can charge down enemies. cav archer cons: limited ammo, less archers per unit, relatively expensive, can't siege. cav archer secret: you can probably use them better than the AI as you can use their ammo to the fullest without getting baited or better than a historical general as you have perfect knowledge of the battlefield, letting you see traps in advance.
@@thecursed01 I mean, they're good, but they're not the best thing you can do in this situation. Fort baiting is so much better against cav armies than Vard spam. Use Vard spam against Western Europe
Worth noting that if you are prepared, the mongols don’t have spies so thier generals are really vulnerable to assassins. A high tier assassin will kill thier generals before battle then you take down captain armies.
But if that works and you successfully cheat a poisonous snake under the bedsheet of the most inexperienced general as Khan of the Last Horde - then...then...the world will be yours, mighty emperor...without any battle...:) But honestly, the chance of successfully assassinating one of these highlevel Mongol Warlords is slim at best...even if you have the patience of an angel when loading the save game again...and again...and....again.....
@@mikeromney4712 it's not actually that slim- or at least when you spam 10-20 assassins at a time you take them all out within a few turns! (worked for me)
its insane how much clearer and epic these fights look compared to modern tw games today. The graphic on individual models and terrain looker better in modern games sure. But none of them can capture the immersion of two armies clashing together like the older ones.
I miss these extremely massive cavalry engagement, you win and lose incredibly quickly and everything can go to hell just in a small lapse of attention, this kind of engagement is simply not a thing in most modern total war.
having played total war 3 kingdoms quite a bit recently, I'd say it still holds true there too. So much so that it should probably be called Cavalry: Total War lol. As a player you do have ways to deal with cavalry but the AI...does what the AI does. To be fair though microing cavalry is very micro intensive, and 3K battles last really long, especially since I just came off of Shogun 2; battles there go at lightning speed, but the cavalry there is still somewhat powerful, but a little too fragile for my tastes.
in barely any total war can you really encounter such battles, especially with allies. its due to the way the game works. every faction moves its units at their own turn. if all factions would move their units at the same time (obv witzh changes such as being able to cut into a moving army if you focus on him and have a good general and os on), then big battles especially with different factions would occur much more often.
It's pretty crazy to think that this game is almost 20 years old and there's still no other game that can simulate a battle better than it, for me the later Total Wars just don't cut it.
Fom Mongols in Medieval 2 to Chaos Warriors in Warhammer, I've always hated invasions spawning out of nowhere, bypassing normal rules of economy and recruitment.
Yes! I was watching it like 2 years ago! I remembered that he set down like 30 forts along Mongol’s path, and it paid off! The only noticeable manual battle he lost was on the island of Cyprus with big army
Such counter-intuitive yet effective strategies. Lose on purpose to get stuck in the fortress and then counter by raining down arrows into them and block the gates with spearmen I would never think of that on my own. And its’ genius
Looking at the first battle how many man it has on the field makes me think that this is how they looked in reality rather than the small skirmishes we usually play.
The thing with the Mongols is that you shouldn't despair even if you lose a few fights and some settlements get sacked. Like Legend said, they don't replenish. Once those stacks have a few dents in them they become much easier to manage with just a simple archer/infantry army. The tough bit is when all their stacks are full and they're packed together so you have to engage 2-3 at the same time.
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In all my years of playing Medival 2 I have never thought of the Mongols as a problem. They arrive so late that you can spam heavy cavalry and with two of your armies you can basically delete 3-4 stacks per turn
I put weak armies on all the bridges and fords. I’ve had the mongol hordes sitting outside Edessa for almost 20 turns while at war but they never attack the city or the crossings. If I move a river army away the mongols will move towards the crossing but if I put the defenders back next turn, the horde moves back towards edessa. Once I got some heavier units in the area I tried attacking with corner camping battles to whittle them down. It works but it’s boring.
something weird about the mongols is that their first khan and khanzada armies are way worse than the armies that come afterwards, the generals themselves are trash (1 star) and their units have no experience, thats why they were much easier to rout than the other armies
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When I took on the mongols as Poland I personally picked Lithuanian Archers, for the reasons you mentioned.
I dont understand how is he on turn 81 has 70% of the map (okay that i can understand) but how do mongols come so fast? I used to have a campaign with 100+ turns and no signs of mongols?
In one of my games I prepared assassins, a lot of assassins, I had a guild of assassins in every city, and on the road between Baghdad and Antioch dozens of assassins were waiting for the Mongols. None of the Mongol generals reached their destination ... I don't know, maybe there was a plague or something.
Good to see ppl still play this game I remember playing the first one on PC when I was like 15 in 99 I own all them now except the fantasy one I really liked isles of Britannia
Been playing medieval 2 lately. I am currently trying to create late game Portugal armies. The only thing is that at the hardest difficulty nobody makes peace anymore so I have to conquer more and more although I would like to play tall. When looking at this game I was little bit shocked of the economics :D
My first campaign, I played as France, and I almost exclusively had cavalry stacks across the entire map. Taking settlements was a pain, but cavalry is king in medieval 2, in my opinion.
as Egypt i made a full army of mamluk archers and took most of mongol armies before they get their entire 13 14 stacks, mamluk archers proved to be quite effective against mongol armies
My first game of MTW2 playing as Poland, going well Mongols show up. Second game again as Poland I prepared and (mostly) destroyed all their stacks in one battle. Frame rate died and the battle took hours. In the end I was forced into a corner and about to be annihilated, as my last reinforcements (no ai control) arrived in that corner. The casualty numbers were enormous.
I remembered preparing for the invasions as the Turks. I got 20 stacks of armies and i easily dealt with the mongols but when the timurids arrived it was a different story.
when i play this game i always thought about the mongol invasion: " Should this be fun? Should this be fun without exploits? And who the uck thougt that armies which only disapear whrn u catch everyone would be fun?"
I literally feel bad for the AI when it’s surrounded by horse archers! Their cavalry just can’t catch up either it’s so sad 😂 I never understood why people need watch towers or forts either. I’ve always played on very hard and never required them. Even Mongols get shredded by longbowmen or crossbows with a few spears in front
How come modern Total War games hardly have large battles like in Medieval 2? Many battles have like 10k men, but Total War just could never reach that number. Most fights we have in Total War are around two thousand men in each army.
I literally just played a battle with 20k troops in Warhammer 3. Was absolutely insane.. Could theoretically go up to 40k. The Mirror of Madness lets you set unit scale to 10x normal amount.
What is the best Medieval 2 mod that improves the base game. I have Divide and conquer but I want to play the base game first I just want to do it with more units etc.
I second the other commenters here, if you want an extended Vanilla experience, give "Vanilla Beyond" a try. For an overhaul mod which steel feels close to vanilla "Stainless Steel" is a good choice. After that you could try "Broken Crescent" (set in the Near East) as an overhaul focused on a specific area (Near East) with totally new factions (Crusader States etc.) and finally, the best mod set in the Middle Ages is "Tsardoms" in my opinion, which is a mod focused on Southern Europe (Italy, Balkans) and Anatolia. It's a fairly new release and has some pretty cool mechanics and the factions, units and scripts are among the best there are.
I would say Stainless Steel or Vanilla Beyond. If you are more experienced you should realy check out Broken Crescent, such a great Mod. And of course Call of Warhammer - Beginning of the End Times.
God damn the game is 17yo and the massive scale battles look fantastic. I wish it gets at least remaster so I could play it becasue now the outdated interface just pushes me away
see your games. feel inspired to play. install and play game. realize im stupid and bad at the game. dont know what im doing. Eventually get overly frustrated trying to learn. close the game, uninstall the game, go back to watching your videos. cycle begins again.
I was watching a different video but caught the thumbnail out of the corner of my eye....did a double take and now i'm here....WTF is with all those forts...
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"Earth isn't yours to conquer" - byzantines probably
Rome vs Attila 2 Electric Boogaloo
I'm dying tbh
Like seriously, when I saw the map, I was like, "I think you'll be fine bruh."
OMNI-VIR
It’s Romanes
Mongols rock up expecting an easy fight only to face down the Byzantine Maginot Line. The Middle East belongs to Byzantium here.
Belisarius Line 🧱
Mongols: "With our army of Horse archers and Lancers we'll be unstoppable!"
Legend and his army of Horse archers and lancers: "Hello there."
Gotta fight fire with fire sometimes.
@@FREECIVVIE The Roman method.
@@sethleoric2598 Which failed, if Romans were so good then why is it called Istanbul?
@@lolasdm6959Goofy ahh comment, Bruh, because they had a civil war in 1342 that saw Serbia take most of their land. Ottomans took the least from the Byzantines than all their other enemies. And before that we have the 1204 4th Crusade where the Byzantines literally died, lost Constantinople and shattered into successor states.
But my meme response to you is “civil war and infighting never again.”
@@lolasdm6959chronic mismanagement. The Byzantine Empire had some of the worst rulers ever at times.
11:25. Wow, Medieval 2 ages like wine. Looks like an actual war is happening. Can't believe you can run so many units in one battle and not be utterly unplayable.
Honestly just needs some gui changes, more modern army controls (click and drag formations and firing arcs) , and some quality of life adjustments and it would be the perfect total war.
@@link670You're right, we don't need graphical detail, just QoL: gui organization, unit responsiveness, firing arc overlay (and smarter AI, I didn't say smart just smarter).
@@sirjmo Old total war AI is hilarious
@@webcamthemesongs like the new total war AI isn't full of flaws too.
Total War games have issues with 10k, 20k troops, then there is that battle simulation game that doesnt lag with 7 million entities
I remember one time when Mongols came. Three massive armies. I played English and I was in Holy land. I knew I can't do anything in open field and my only chance was to slow down their cavalry so I decided to take a stand at a river crossing (probably Jordan). A little bit behind the crossing there was a steep hill so the first thing I did was to position longbowmen at the bank and make stakes in front of them. Behind them I positioned pikemen and billmen and on the hill I positioned some archers with one trebuchet or mangonel or whatever it's called, behind them. I had some infantry watching the flanks and cavalry in reserve. Then I was ready. I started the battle and immediately pulled longbowmen to the hill, behind archers and told them to hold fire. The horde arrived and started crossing the river. It slowed them down so archers kept shooting the arrows on them. Then I unleashed trebuchet with cow carcass in he middle of the Mongol group who was stuck in the river unable to cross because of stakes at the crossing's exit. Dude, it was a turkey shoot. When archers spent their arrows I pulled them back and sent longbowmen in their place. One of my favorite battles. I know it's too long to read but I had to say it. :P
This is the type of battle we grind through an entire grand campaign for!
HOLLLYYY
You set up a meat grinder
Art.
Slightly smaller scale battle between me (french) vs portugal, if i lost that battle, it wouldn't have mattered.
But I was the defender, and the battle terrain were these grassy hills. Terrible for my cavalry, but perfect for my crossbows and spears. It was magnificent. The enemy just took free body shots while my spearmen held, theres somethiny so exhilarating in just knowing you're set up perfectly.
Oh man some medieval 2. Loving the coverage of games lately! Variety is the spice of life
🎉🎉 Got me reinstalling my old games
@@mikeymy1603 me too! i even bought Napoleon
Dear God, that first battle was the largest Ive ever seen in this game.
“It’s sh*t footage, you didn’t miss out on anything.”
- Legend referring to using only Peasants to defeat Mongols lmfao I’m dying
I was there when Legend conquered Anatolia with a single Gaul General , I was there when he saved Rome against 5 full stacks of Barbarians with a just cav unit and some low tier pikes, I was there when he was a Purehearted Crusader, I was there when he was an evil English King, I was there when he destroyed every single economic theory by repaying the largest debt ever recorded with the power of the mighty Cheese , now I am here to watch him make probably the best youtube gaming content , on a 20 year old game costing less than 10 $ ... what a time to be alive !
But were you there when he turned himself into a rat? A rat-man, man!
@@Kaiimei i was there when the Empire of Kekistan ruled the world
His eastern roman empire this is total war campaign was my favorite, even though he does not like the game it was fun to watch
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Yup, I learned the hard way as Byzantines that while you can roll over every other faction by spamming horse archers and cavalry, you can't do that to the Mongols. Gotta make use of foot based archers primarily to outshoot their horse archers. Love the situation though, it's situations like these that make me love playing Byzantines.
Ive been playing Medieval 2 like made the past few weeks. Ive noticed on different campaigns that sometimes the Mongols will steam roller most of the map or just stand around doing nothing for 100 turns lol
Sounds like medieval 2 AI alright 😂
@@Medik_0001 100% lol
Ive never actually had to fight off the Mongols or Timurids, they always just circled around the Caucasian mounts ad infinitum
@@gowiththeflowbee8053 there are mods that simply overhaul the AI. they can turn AI into aggressive a-holes.
@@aztekenen1 I might have to do that later lol
>Sees the Maginot line: Wow, that's nice!
>Sees the stack: Oh, oh no, no...
Just like IRL the maginot line was useless 😅
The way legend played here was more or less what would've happend had Charles de Gaule mobile army idea actually got off the ground and worked out in the end.
@@etienne8110it wasn't useless
In fact
It did it's job by preventing the Germans from not attacking from where the line is... problem is...the french didn't think the Germans would go through a Forrest lmao
@@steyn1775they didn't think the Germans *could* go through that forest. Subtle, but important difference. The Germans also outflanked by going through a different country, which was a lack of imagination on the French part to not have preparation for.
@@justhecukeThe French pretty much knew the Germans were going to go through Belgium and prepared adequately. Their best troops, Army Group 1, were positioned at the Belgian border, but much further north than the Ardennes, despite repeated warnings from Corap's 9th Army that covered the Ardennes approaches. The responsibility of the defeat lies almost exclusively on the dipshit that Gamelin was, as he refused to see evidence that even old fools like George or Huntzinger, both fairly bad generals, could see. And incidentally, Gamelin was the Allied CiC on the Western Front, because he was the only one French politicians trusted. The idiots feared that another general could turn the troops against the Republic to instate a dictatorship
I always get reminded how the byzantines got the shaft in this game:
No gunpowder units outside of the basic bombard, no real armor penetration outside of the Varangians, the Archers are very underwhelming, no crossbows, the only good thing is the cavalry, but even the horse archers get outclassed most of the time by the Turks, their direct rival
Yeah, same as scotland. Basically stuck with early game units forever
you guys use muskets and artillery in this game?!
also no crusade or jihad which is one of the strongest mechanics in the game
@@jeice13 At least the scots get decent artillery options, byzantines get nothing but basic siege cannons
@@Shadow.24772 Not often, but once you enter the late lategame, and when you have some fun rather than just 100% efficiency stompfesting it comes up, also, its not the only issue of the byzantines, who lack everything that isnt on a horse
In fairness, he probs looked at Vardariotai Stats and was like, 'THEY'RE SO GOOD!' and then spammed them.
they aren't?
@@thecursed01on a campaing their cost/stat ratio isn t the best.
I d rather field 4 other units for the same costs.
Byzance in particular has over effective cheap archer cavalry.
@@etienne8110true for early campaign, once you get some money tho it doesn't matter
@@thecursed01 cav archer pros: they can shoot decently well, they move good, can charge down enemies.
cav archer cons: limited ammo, less archers per unit, relatively expensive, can't siege.
cav archer secret: you can probably use them better than the AI as you can use their ammo to the fullest without getting baited or better than a historical general as you have perfect knowledge of the battlefield, letting you see traps in advance.
@@thecursed01 I mean, they're good, but they're not the best thing you can do in this situation. Fort baiting is so much better against cav armies than Vard spam. Use Vard spam against Western Europe
This is why battle maps need to be bigger, that first battle is a literal house
Thats one of the largest mtw2 battles you can possible have.
The first battle was insane. Never seen a battle like that before
The scale of those battles... I LOVE IT 🤩
Worth noting that if you are prepared, the mongols don’t have spies so thier generals are really vulnerable to assassins.
A high tier assassin will kill thier generals before battle then you take down captain armies.
But if that works and you successfully cheat a poisonous snake under the bedsheet of the most inexperienced general as Khan of the Last Horde - then...then...the world will be yours, mighty emperor...without any battle...:)
But honestly, the chance of successfully assassinating one of these highlevel Mongol Warlords is slim at best...even if you have the patience of an angel when loading the save game again...and again...and....again.....
@@mikeromney4712 it's not actually that slim- or at least when you spam 10-20 assassins at a time you take them all out within a few turns! (worked for me)
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its insane how much clearer and epic these fights look compared to modern tw games today.
The graphic on individual models and terrain looker better in modern games sure.
But none of them can capture the immersion of two armies clashing together like the older ones.
19:43 if you're make your captain a horse archers unit it's less likely they'll charge in and die good tip
So many quality videos you are doing lately!!! So much fun. That bizantine cavalry archers zerglike swarm 😅
I miss these extremely massive cavalry engagement, you win and lose incredibly quickly and everything can go to hell just in a small lapse of attention, this kind of engagement is simply not a thing in most modern total war.
having played total war 3 kingdoms quite a bit recently, I'd say it still holds true there too. So much so that it should probably be called Cavalry: Total War lol. As a player you do have ways to deal with cavalry but the AI...does what the AI does. To be fair though microing cavalry is very micro intensive, and 3K battles last really long, especially since I just came off of Shogun 2; battles there go at lightning speed, but the cavalry there is still somewhat powerful, but a little too fragile for my tastes.
in barely any total war can you really encounter such battles, especially with allies.
its due to the way the game works. every faction moves its units at their own turn. if all factions would move their units at the same time (obv witzh changes such as being able to cut into a moving army if you focus on him and have a good general and os on), then big battles especially with different factions would occur much more often.
It's pretty crazy to think that this game is almost 20 years old and there's still no other game that can simulate a battle better than it, for me the later Total Wars just don't cut it.
Fom Mongols in Medieval 2 to Chaos Warriors in Warhammer, I've always hated invasions spawning out of nowhere, bypassing normal rules of economy and recruitment.
Its supposed to represent the stuff you couldnt possibly know of or scout out
@@Shellll Also some endgame challenge, when you have high level armies and big economy to sustain them
Well Mongols supposedly have huge territories outside the map, in Central Asia and China.
lol, the camps. Reminds me of your khwarazemian campaign years ago.
Yes! I was watching it like 2 years ago! I remembered that he set down like 30 forts along Mongol’s path, and it paid off! The only noticeable manual battle he lost was on the island of Cyprus with big army
Such counter-intuitive yet effective strategies. Lose on purpose to get stuck in the fortress and then counter by raining down arrows into them and block the gates with spearmen
I would never think of that on my own. And its’ genius
Exactly the situation I wanted to see - Legend playing as Byzantines against the Mongols in campaign
Looking at the first battle how many man it has on the field makes me think that this is how they looked in reality rather than the small skirmishes we usually play.
The thing with the Mongols is that you shouldn't despair even if you lose a few fights and some settlements get sacked. Like Legend said, they don't replenish. Once those stacks have a few dents in them they become much easier to manage with just a simple archer/infantry army. The tough bit is when all their stacks are full and they're packed together so you have to engage 2-3 at the same time.
Mongols: "We have Legend problem."
11:35 "How chaotic do you want your battle to be?"
"Yes."
That's a target rich environment.
Tha Pheasant Challunge!!! We want to see the 1 fps footage!
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Uhh you mind trying that peasant challenge again? I think this time you could use the peasant archers as well. That would be fun to watch i think.
In all my years of playing Medival 2 I have never thought of the Mongols as a problem.
They arrive so late that you can spam heavy cavalry and with two of your armies you can basically delete 3-4 stacks per turn
You have been my sleep routine for like 4 years thank you
Really enjoyed this video! Lots of things going on, less than ideal resources, complex with the size of empire - nice one mate 👍
Kudos for the reference back to the peasant campaign - the series that made me a fan!
Disaster situation - halfway between a disaster battle and a disaster campaign
I put weak armies on all the bridges and fords.
I’ve had the mongol hordes sitting outside Edessa for almost 20 turns while at war but they never attack the city or the crossings. If I move a river army away the mongols will move towards the crossing but if I put the defenders back next turn, the horde moves back towards edessa.
Once I got some heavier units in the area I tried attacking with corner camping battles to whittle them down. It works but it’s boring.
This is the craziest campaign battle I've ever seen, simply for it's scale!
something weird about the mongols is that their first khan and khanzada armies are way worse than the armies that come afterwards, the generals themselves are trash (1 star) and their units have no experience, thats why they were much easier to rout than the other armies
When I took on the mongols as Poland I personally picked Lithuanian Archers, for the reasons you mentioned.
13:30 armies of Rohan arrived 😂❤
I dont understand how is he on turn 81 has 70% of the map (okay that i can understand) but how do mongols come so fast? I used to have a campaign with 100+ turns and no signs of mongols?
In one of my games I prepared assassins, a lot of assassins, I had a guild of assassins in every city, and on the road between Baghdad and Antioch dozens of assassins were waiting for the Mongols. None of the Mongol generals reached their destination ... I don't know, maybe there was a plague or something.
Eastern Romans be like, "First the Huns... now this.
I like how you and the enemy formed a replication of a child's drawing of a house on the minimap in the first battle.
Good to see ppl still play this game I remember playing the first one on PC when I was like 15 in 99 I own all them now except the fantasy one I really liked isles of Britannia
8:27 in the mini map the blue green and red arrows makes it a house shape aha.
It is clearly one of the most Large Epic Battles you shown
Bahahhaa the minimapl in the first battle went from a house to a gang war
Lol at the 5d strategy moves explained at the start of the video. Bloody fool why didn't he think of that
Mongols: We are the many
Byzantines: uno reverse card
Been playing medieval 2 lately. I am currently trying to create late game Portugal armies. The only thing is that at the hardest difficulty nobody makes peace anymore so I have to conquer more and more although I would like to play tall. When looking at this game I was little bit shocked of the economics :D
Legend you really blow me away with your total war knowledge 😊
My first campaign, I played as France, and I almost exclusively had cavalry stacks across the entire map. Taking settlements was a pain, but cavalry is king in medieval 2, in my opinion.
It’s simple: I see a Legend Med2 video, I like
If you’ve got full stacks in every city that they come to, they just wander around aimlessly. At least in the last couple campaigns I played
bro you pulled of a napoleon 11:29 that was very good :)
Oh boy he went up against them with full stacks of cavalry. This player was bold :D
as Egypt i made a full army of mamluk archers and took most of mongol armies before they get their entire 13 14 stacks, mamluk archers proved to be quite effective against mongol armies
My first game of MTW2 playing as Poland, going well Mongols show up. Second game again as Poland I prepared and (mostly) destroyed all their stacks in one battle. Frame rate died and the battle took hours. In the end I was forced into a corner and about to be annihilated, as my last reinforcements (no ai control) arrived in that corner. The casualty numbers were enormous.
Thank you legend I feel as though only you care about me
I remembered preparing for the invasions as the Turks.
I got 20 stacks of armies and i easily dealt with the mongols but when the timurids arrived it was a different story.
As a longtime England player, that battle map at 1 hour 6 minutes with that spawn location 🤤
Get well soon Legend!
I see a medieval 2 video, I press the like button.
16:28
"..no"
"AHHRR GRAAAAA AAAAAAAAAA KHHGGKAAA"
when i play this game i always thought about the mongol invasion: " Should this be fun? Should this be fun without exploits? And who the uck thougt that armies which only disapear whrn u catch everyone would be fun?"
God M2 battles look beautiful
22:00 Best battle soundtrack ever
"leg tot War here" - TH-cam subtitles.
I need to watch this peasants only campaign now!
Nice just what I needed on a Sunday
I wanna play as the Mongols in this campaign lol. huge empire to conquest. amazing.
I still cant believe the scale of this battle. MTW2 made it feel like its a real battle.
This man brought out the Rohirrim
I literally feel bad for the AI when it’s surrounded by horse archers! Their cavalry just can’t catch up either it’s so sad 😂
I never understood why people need watch towers or forts either. I’ve always played on very hard and never required them. Even Mongols get shredded by longbowmen or crossbows with a few spears in front
I feel like England is the best matchup against the Mongols, excellent archers and strong soear/polearm units.
i think real medieval battles used to look like the first battle of video
Legend using mongol tactics against the mongols 😂👍
How come modern Total War games hardly have large battles like in Medieval 2?
Many battles have like 10k men, but Total War just could never reach that number. Most fights we have in Total War are around two thousand men in each army.
because generals
I literally just played a battle with 20k troops in Warhammer 3. Was absolutely insane.. Could theoretically go up to 40k.
The Mirror of Madness lets you set unit scale to 10x normal amount.
What is the best Medieval 2 mod that improves the base game. I have Divide and conquer but I want to play the base game first I just want to do it with more units etc.
Stainless steel
Stainless Steel is better, but if you truly want an extended vanilla, try "Vanilla Beyond"
I second the other commenters here, if you want an extended Vanilla experience, give "Vanilla Beyond" a try. For an overhaul mod which steel feels close to vanilla "Stainless Steel" is a good choice. After that you could try "Broken Crescent" (set in the Near East) as an overhaul focused on a specific area (Near East) with totally new factions (Crusader States etc.) and finally, the best mod set in the Middle Ages is "Tsardoms" in my opinion, which is a mod focused on Southern Europe (Italy, Balkans) and Anatolia. It's a fairly new release and has some pretty cool mechanics and the factions, units and scripts are among the best there are.
I would say Stainless Steel or Vanilla Beyond.
If you are more experienced you should realy check out Broken Crescent, such a great Mod.
And of course Call of Warhammer - Beginning of the End Times.
I've been having the same issue, would want something other for a change than DaC. Thanks for everyone!
God damn the game is 17yo and the massive scale battles look fantastic. I wish it gets at least remaster so I could play it becasue now the outdated interface just pushes me away
You just get used to it. I was the same plus the outdated camera controls kinda sucks but the gameplay is top
trying to beat the mongols at their own game instead of leaning into your factions strengths is wild by the sender lol
Lmao, this dude threw his entire cuman population at the mongols. Based.
Nice to see you still play TW occasionally
13:40 jesus christ its like when bees swarm a wasp to death
I remember killing all the Mongols just with 1 triple wall castle. AI is just so stupid and towers have infinite arrows
2:22 in all my years of playing m2tw i didn't know you could open up unit tab this way
This guy is a freaking wizard
see your games. feel inspired to play. install and play game. realize im stupid and bad at the game. dont know what im doing. Eventually get overly frustrated trying to learn. close the game, uninstall the game, go back to watching your videos. cycle begins again.
Liked this video, nice gameplay. Why don't you group troops that suffered losses to have full numbers again?
Man I wish they would remaster or do a medieval 3.
Same, but not right now. If they made Med 3 now it would come out with Warhammer 3 Quality Control and there'd be rioting in the streets
I was watching a different video but caught the thumbnail out of the corner of my eye....did a double take and now i'm here....WTF is with all those forts...
Unfortinatly, I have a old PC and cant bring 2 or more full stack armies on the field so this strategy doesnt work for me.