They say nothing more advanced. But I run the most advanced machinery out there. Index Ms 40-8 runs 8 spindles plus 2 back working positions simultaneously. Ya Swiss machines are great for long small dia parts. But the multi spindles are where it's at as far as production for the future
Our Swiss machines handle up to 32MM bar stock. Swiss is not limited to small diameters or small parts. They are extremally flexible and capable machines. Yeah 8 spindles is impressive, but they are also HUGE machines. Since the Index MS 40-8 is a chucking machine you also have issues when it comes to long length to diameter parts. The MS 40-8 has a max part length of 150mm ( just under 6 inches). Not bad, but I've made 36 (914MM) inch long parts on swiss machines. Both machine types are capable and serve different needs.
Lol. I hate to tell you but decos are junk. If you want a real Swiss machine get a star ecas or knc. The change over and set up time on those deco machines is totally ridiculous and unnecessary. They like to break down a lot also. Star makes a far superior machine. No joke. I have pretty extensive experience with both. Seriously do yourself and your employees a favor and switch if you can. I love what the Swiss machine is capable of and I'm just offering a honest opinion from experience here. Best of luck to you. I had my hands on literally the first deco 2000 machines sent to the USA in mount joy PA. We had several of every model they make. Tyco was the company. If you want to drastically cut down your set up and down time look at star machines. You will be very very happy and so will your employees.
FANUC controls, no thanks. I spent almost 15 years on FANUC. My new shop is mostly Citizen with Cincom controls. After using the Cincom control for the last 2 years I don't think I'd want to go back to that antiquated FANUC control. If FANUC wants to stay relevant in the machining control market they really need to step up their game.
@@Hendreh1 FANUC is only simple if you haven't used better controls. Compared to the Citizen Cincom control FANUC takes too many steps to complete simple tasks. For example setting a turning tool on a Star swiss machine with FANUC controls requires the operator to punch in G code to position the tool for installation. If there is a bad number or decimal point it can lead to disastrous results. On the Cincom control there are macros that remove the hand code typing from the equation. The macros also make sure that tool changes are done the same way by each person. I used to be a hardcore FANUC fan until I got out of that comfort zone and found out how much more user friendly other controls have become. FANUC is only still relevant because they were at one time the only real choice in the industry. That is no longer true as there are many many more choices available.
7 year Cox operator/setup man here. I am very intrigued in the other controls specifically mazaks proprietary and The citizen stuff looks nice. Fanuc is all i know though! Always willing to learn. We did not have good luck with Siemens Sinumerik. My experience is with the 3 turret (3 y axis Eurotech) and old cam operated multispindle machines (AS-14 Tornos and ZPS stuff).
@@resistorstudios We had a Siemens Sinumerik on 2 Star machines that I had the displeasure of running for awhile. It was a god awful control. We never turned the machines off. The shutdown procedure was 3 pages long and if you messed it up in the slightest it would lose it's position. I don't know if it was specific to both the machines, but I was told to never turn them off under circumstance. I've really come to like the Cincom control. They are really user friendly and make setting up complex jobs a breeze. When I got to my current shop I'd never set up a Citizen machine or even touched a Cincom control before. Some of the guys at the shop thought I'd been using Citizen machines for a long time. One guy thought that I was pulling his leg when I told him that I'd only started using the Cincom control when I started there. One of the first things they had me do when I started at my current shop was set up a 9 axis twin spindle, dual turret Miyano. They had a Miyano application engineer come out and give me a service tech from our machine tool vendor a 3 day course in how to set the machine up. He was hand writing a program at the machine for a part that we need to make, while teaching us how to go about setting it up. When we got done after 3 days he told me that the setup was about a 9 out of 10 for difficulty. We took a part that was 15 minutes on a lathe and a one quick mill op down to 6 minutes for complete part off one machine.
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I want that thing, idek what i would do with it but i would figure it out quickly
Wow! Amazing! Thanks for sharing!
This is so much better the the lb370 okuma caption I run at work for the black magic My work expects me to make. Lol
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That Foo looks like he straight up posts next to the machine...
They say nothing more advanced. But I run the most advanced machinery out there. Index Ms 40-8 runs 8 spindles plus 2 back working positions simultaneously. Ya Swiss machines are great for long small dia parts. But the multi spindles are where it's at as far as production for the future
Our Swiss machines handle up to 32MM bar stock. Swiss is not limited to small diameters or small parts. They are extremally flexible and capable machines. Yeah 8 spindles is impressive, but they are also HUGE machines. Since the Index MS 40-8 is a chucking machine you also have issues when it comes to long length to diameter parts. The MS 40-8 has a max part length of 150mm ( just under 6 inches). Not bad, but I've made 36 (914MM) inch long parts on swiss machines. Both machine types are capable and serve different needs.
cool dude
Do most master machinist's make more working as travelling repair men? 😂 If it's not broken why fixit!
Lol. I hate to tell you but decos are junk. If you want a real Swiss machine get a star ecas or knc. The change over and set up time on those deco machines is totally ridiculous and unnecessary. They like to break down a lot also. Star makes a far superior machine. No joke. I have pretty extensive experience with both. Seriously do yourself and your employees a favor and switch if you can. I love what the Swiss machine is capable of and I'm just offering a honest opinion from experience here. Best of luck to you. I had my hands on literally the first deco 2000 machines sent to the USA in mount joy PA. We had several of every model they make. Tyco was the company. If you want to drastically cut down your set up and down time look at star machines. You will be very very happy and so will your employees.
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FANUC controls, no thanks. I spent almost 15 years on FANUC. My new shop is mostly Citizen with Cincom controls. After using the Cincom control for the last 2 years I don't think I'd want to go back to that antiquated FANUC control. If FANUC wants to stay relevant in the machining control market they really need to step up their game.
yup u r right 😉
For me the Fanuc is simple and reliable. All the Fancy stuff can be done in CAM and Postprocessor
@@Hendreh1 FANUC is only simple if you haven't used better controls. Compared to the Citizen Cincom control FANUC takes too many steps to complete simple tasks. For example setting a turning tool on a Star swiss machine with FANUC controls requires the operator to punch in G code to position the tool for installation. If there is a bad number or decimal point it can lead to disastrous results. On the Cincom control there are macros that remove the hand code typing from the equation. The macros also make sure that tool changes are done the same way by each person. I used to be a hardcore FANUC fan until I got out of that comfort zone and found out how much more user friendly other controls have become. FANUC is only still relevant because they were at one time the only real choice in the industry. That is no longer true as there are many many more choices available.
7 year Cox operator/setup man here. I am very intrigued in the other controls specifically mazaks proprietary and The citizen stuff looks nice. Fanuc is all i know though! Always willing to learn. We did not have good luck with Siemens Sinumerik. My experience is with the 3 turret (3 y axis Eurotech) and old cam operated multispindle machines (AS-14 Tornos and ZPS stuff).
@@resistorstudios We had a Siemens Sinumerik on 2 Star machines that I had the displeasure of running for awhile. It was a god awful control. We never turned the machines off. The shutdown procedure was 3 pages long and if you messed it up in the slightest it would lose it's position. I don't know if it was specific to both the machines, but I was told to never turn them off under circumstance.
I've really come to like the Cincom control. They are really user friendly and make setting up complex jobs a breeze. When I got to my current shop I'd never set up a Citizen machine or even touched a Cincom control before. Some of the guys at the shop thought I'd been using Citizen machines for a long time. One guy thought that I was pulling his leg when I told him that I'd only started using the Cincom control when I started there. One of the first things they had me do when I started at my current shop was set up a 9 axis twin spindle, dual turret Miyano. They had a Miyano application engineer come out and give me a service tech from our machine tool vendor a 3 day course in how to set the machine up. He was hand writing a program at the machine for a part that we need to make, while teaching us how to go about setting it up. When we got done after 3 days he told me that the setup was about a 9 out of 10 for difficulty. We took a part that was 15 minutes on a lathe and a one quick mill op down to 6 minutes for complete part off one machine.