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TESTED: Starling Cycles Murmur 29 review - Flow Mountain Bike
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ย. 2018
- Here's one out of left field! The all-steel, single-pivot Starling Murmur proves that a back to basics approach to suspension design, coupled with great geometry can go head to head with any carbon super bike on the market. It's not the bike for everyone, but there are plenty of steel fans who will go bananas for this one.
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I met the guy who owns the company and makes the bikes himself. He had a stand at the Ard Rock and everyone seemed to pass him by and go to the Big Brand stands. Me and my mate chatted to him for a good while. Top bloke making some really nice bikes. This is the first time I’ve seen a review of his stuff. Good work lads.
Your videography here is superb. I found the review quite convincing - so I bought one! I’m in eastern Canada, full of roots, rocks, mud, and snow (yes our club has trails of packed snow all winter). I’m very fond of my XL Murmur. Every time I ride it a even just 1 metre, I want to ride it all day. Thanks for doing this review. What you say is true from my ride experiences.
Took 1 out on a demo yesterday, absolutely blown away , I want .....!
Enjoy watching your videos and another good review . Here in the UK the Starling Murmur is a big hit and in group tests with bikes from the big brands the Murmur often comes out on top
Keep riding you void-full (yep EVERY carbon frame has them)here today/ cracked tomorrow, crap, I'll take a superbly engineered, handbuilt masterpiece like this every time, hats off to Stirling Cycles for bringing something worthwhile to this market.
That intro is exactly why I want one of these!
Nice review!!
Glad you took your time to review this cool bike, however I am really a bit confused about what exactly it was that stopped you from doing an hour’s worth of research on steel tubing for bikes... saying stuff like “we dont know much about steel” in a video doesnt really scream “hey this is a quality channel doing quality reviews of bikes”
what is it like under hard cornering, does it wind up and then oversteer or go full noodle or does it stay straight
It's a properly burly bike - not like a steel hardtail where compliance is designed in through flex the same way, this can use oversized tubes to damp vibrations but stay really stiff and let the suspension do the work.
Another great review Flow. Which trails are these?
Cheers! Mount Narrabeen, Sydney.
Thanks. 🧡
You weighed it with a full bottle. Unfair!? Try that with a Yeti. Won’t be much lighter.
Have just built up an old KHS ST hard/soft tail steel bike. Forgotten just how nice steel bikes ride. Just enough give , but puts all the power down and is predictable. Steel is real baby!
Awesome review!! 👍
Have you looked at Ferrum bikes to review their frames? Very nicely made and good value compared. I haven't seen anyone other than owners review their bikes so would be good to have a non biased perspective
I want this bike because 1) is unique, 2) my Cats nickname is Murmur
You youngsters can keep your plastic..... I'll take good ol' steel or aluminium!
ThunderStruckCoach You‘d be surprised by how much steel bikes get adored by the „youngsters“ old man.
Carbon is all the rage these days, break it and you aint gonna weld it. I broke a Surly Steamroller after 10 years of use on the chainstay, had it welded professionally, one less frame in the landfill!
Steel is real
CF 250 MpA, 853 1400 MpA. You can shove your CF.
Gotta love Steel bikes from the 1900s. Cheapest material for bikes and it's the easiest to weld. The most I love about Steel is the ability to corrode in wet climates.
wow, 853! really?!
OK, now send me one for a proper test?
One of the illest frames around, my only gripe about her is the odd water bottle holder, atleast put one on the downtube?
One reason why carbon is most dominant in the industry: it requires lots of engineering and that means jobs.
Jeez did you see the dents in the down tube ?
Imagine if that was a carbon frame, there would be bits of it all over the trail.
what is the price of cycle in indian rupees
TT looks high so not the best for stand over. Trail looks like narrabeen, would have been a test to pedal to the top..
it dents pretty easy
Search on google "majin cycles" great bikes!!
Bridges are made of carbon fibre.
This is really mostly in your head. The idea that a full suspension bike riding on fairly massive tires is complying through the frame, i.e., vertical deformation of the steel, is far fetched. On a road bike, you *might be able to get a steel feel because of the damping of high frequency chatter through the frame. On a full susser like this, especially one with all that rubber, there is so much vertical compliance through the kinematics and tires, that it would absolutely dwarf whatever you think you're feeling at the frame itself. What we have here is a $7k, 16kg bike with an antiquated suspension design propped up by a modern platform shock. By all means, spend the money on something unique like this, but there is nothing about this bike that you can't improve on with a modern alloy or carbon design.
Well he's saying he gets the steel feeling when the suspension bottoms out. I do ''feel'' better on steel hybrid/cyclo cross bikes'.
Hmm... I was going to say ''fatigue strength'' as steel is certainly a LOT better than aluminium. Apparently carbon doesn't really have a fatigue limit per ce so '' kind of'' limitless. However apparently high loads on a small area, and as such impact damage, ease of maintenance and perhaps even transport seems to be an issue as well as quality control avoiding trapped air ect in fabrication, let alone big crashes. Anyway your comment led me to a few things there including this www.google.com/amp/s/cyclingtips.com/2015/08/what-is-the-lifespan-of-a-carbon-frame/amp/
Also.... For day to day use as I don't race I just like a little more weight I feel more planted and safer so I get stronger. Soooo I guess it be interesting to have a LOT of thick/dense carbon as a heavy duty day to day for carrying lots of stuff and hauling trailers ect but steel it time tested I have bikes 30-60 years old in all kinds of conditions.
Lmao clearly you know absolutely nothing about bikes or mechanics. In a car suspension, you can feel the difference in the road even after changing suspension bushings. Yes suspension absorbs the impact but the force still causes the entires car to jolt up. Therefore, how the force is translated through the bushing to the car body is “felt” through the bushing. Its a dampening effect. On a bike frame, its the same thing. The frame can absorb a lot of the smaller vibrations, like going down a gravel road. Ride one before you yap about something you know nothing about. And if you can’t tell the difference between an aluminum, carbon or steel frame then you’re not good enough to be riding these bikes.
@@vee6411 Do most of your riding on gravel do ya? LMAO, where to even start with you. A) how triggered are you? B) read what I wrote, not the imaginary straw man in your head. @4:30 he clearly says the frame absorbs "a lot of the impact". That's vertical deformation my man, not vibration damping. But I'm glad to see marketing spin works on fanboys like you.
@@leifcian4288 All good points, and I agree steel is a nice material for a bicycle frame, although quite heavy in a mtb bike application. As Dave Turner and others have said many times, you can build an equivalently strong frame out of steel, alu, or carbon, it's just a matter of weight and expense. Alu can be drawn to gauges that will outlast thinner steel. My point was ENTIRELY about using vertical deformation of steel as a form of suspension in a full-suspension mtb bike, which is a ridiculous idea.
@@alexshaykevich509 lol old comment. Yeah like I say I like a bit of heft to me bikes, you don't go down the gym to say "oh look how light my new dumbbells are". So long as I can lift it up and OVER something that's fine as I'm not racing anyone and am not too interested in doing big jumps or whatever. Being able to barrel down some rougher trails a bit more comfortably though is appealing. It's the equivalent strength for its intended use but not for all the other stuff that goes with owning and maintaining a bike. I'd definitely like to own something like this.
You're reviewing a steel framed bike and you don't know much about steel tubing? Maybe an idea would try and get a job doing something else friend