Then I remember of a content creator that makes rockets and his requirements are HUGE in therm of camera, he wants a camera that film in 4k 120fps without overheating while being half dismantled to fit inside of a rocket where it will suffer absolutely crazy extreme forces and go up to mach 3, I don't remember which camera he ended up using but he had to modify it physically quite a lot
I think Gopro is entering the same era as Apple. New products are no longer aimed at everyone, but only at those who have a camera old enough to feel the need to buy a new one.
I had the Hero 4 Black, then stopped using it after a few years, and finally replaced it with a Hero 12 a few months ago... But as you say, specs can only get so far. A little like my original Mavic Pro. The spec hasn't changed much since, so no need to get a new version for what I use a drone for (and as for drones getting quieter - who cares when they're 200-400ft above you!)
I’ve tried every thing to get my GoPro 10 to work but I’ve lost patience. It either stops recording or the sound doesn’t work or the mounts wilt. There’s always something that goes wrong.
Agreed, they really aren't doing enough. Still using three Hero 7's, with Reelsteady and the Karma gimbal still don't really see the need to upgrade. There isn't a significant difference in quailty and if I want something that looks amazing I'd just pick up my DSLR. The low light of the Action 5 is VERY appealing though so I might get round to upgrading if GoPro actually increase the sensor beyond the size of my little finger nail. GoPro really don't seem to understand that the segment of action cameras has grown beyond filming only 'action', people really like the idea of a very compact camera where you don't have to worry about focus, poor light and stabilization. Something you can just quickly grab and capture whatever is going on in your life and the footage always looks decent is very appealing to a lot of folks.
I agree 100%. I started using GoPro with the Hero 9 and now getting each new model, I have 5 of them. I am happy with them for sure. But I also agree with you that GoPro needs to strive toward bringing more significant upgrades to the newer models.
I'm one of those who switched over to another competing product. Been using GoPro since Hero 5 and now on Ace Pro 2. I'm a scuba diver and for years been using red filter to compensate the color loss. I'm no pro in video editing and color correcting every clip is a bit too much for me. Now that I'm on Ace Pro 2, my footage has way more realistic colors. I was also disappointed when GoPro killed off the GoPro Studio desktop.
I miss my Hero 4 Silver. That was rock solid until it got wet without a case. I've owned SEVEN GoPros since... All unreliable. I switched to DJI Action 4. I just want the normal day-to-day features of a camera I can depend on.
It's only worth updating every like 5 years, unless you are a pro you don't need to swap yearly. Yearly release means when you are ready to change they have something competitive.
Great video Z. I am currently using the 12, and I love it. I will say this because it doesn't do as well with low light situations as some of the newer cams, specifically the Action 5 Pro. When I'm in the market again, which is probably a few years off I will be considering the newest with the best nighttime capabilities. I think that is the only thing left for GoPro. Everything else is great. So yea, that would be the biggest selling point for me next time around.
Thank you. One benefit with Gopro that makes it hard to leave is still being able to use Reelsteady which is so important for FPV. Since now it is only integrated with the GoPro Software. The other option "Gyroflow" just doesn't do it for me. I'd love to test out the Action 5 or the insta360 Ace Pro 2 and just see how each of them holds up compared to eachother though!
There are many avanues of improvement that gopro isnt doing To start off, senor size which will help with dynamic range and low light Both DJI and Insta have bigger sensors on the their action cam and with that, massively superior low light capabilities Next we have codecs, all three cam companies still havent dipped into making proffesional codecs available like ProRes which will help attract more advanced users
Still have the Hero2 here (and in working condition). Did buy the 10 earlier this year, as it was on sale, and I didn't see much added value for me (apart for the cost ;-) ) in the newer 11/12/13 versions for me. Especially enjoying the internal stabilization, which gets so much smoother FPV sports action (windsurfing, biking, skiing...), compared to the old Hero2.
I have the 10 and really wanted to buy the 12 and 13 respectively but there simply wasn't enough to entice me. Though the 10 switched off at -2 Celsius and now I got the Action 4. And not only in cold weather. And nothing's worse than losing your footage. I take even losing 5.3 to 4K and Reelsteady to Gyroflow if I just have my footage! I really love my GP10 but also hate it. Don't know if they improved on reliability vom 10 to 13.
Ive had the 5, 7 qnd 10 and all of them have had issues which still havent been fixed after so many years and updates. Im fi ally do e and going to buy the dji
I think the iPhone example in the comments is very good. The changes have only been minimal for years, although the marketing traditionally presents them as bigger. There is hardly any reason to replace the devices every 1-2 years. The problem with GoPro is probably that they offer almost nothing else. Apple earns a lot of money with services and of course not only Apple. But GoPro has hardly anything to offer in these areas. In the long run, you probably can't make money with niche hardware alone.
I totally could have explained that a little better. I was saying that quality wise they are all the same, but adding "High Dynamic Range" to the 12 & 13, improves the images shadows & highlights. But as far as quality, i.e. 4K, 5.3K, etc... its the same between all 3 cameras.
Hardly getting destroyed. GoPro still dominates the market in regards to sales. However this year there is serious competition and the dominance that GoPro has enjoyed is coming to an end. There are cameras that are just as good and are developing brand recognition. GoPro cannot rely on their name anymore which is a good thing for the consumer. But to say they’re getting destroyed is just false at this point.
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Then I remember of a content creator that makes rockets and his requirements are HUGE in therm of camera, he wants a camera that film in 4k 120fps without overheating while being half dismantled to fit inside of a rocket where it will suffer absolutely crazy extreme forces and go up to mach 3, I don't remember which camera he ended up using but he had to modify it physically quite a lot
he used the gopro and modified the heat distribution, the ribbon cable and liked that it had the „bones“ version so yeah
Have you tried the dji Action 5?
I think Gopro is entering the same era as Apple. New products are no longer aimed at everyone, but only at those who have a camera old enough to feel the need to buy a new one.
What anther brandura do you recomended?
I had the Hero 4 Black, then stopped using it after a few years, and finally replaced it with a Hero 12 a few months ago...
But as you say, specs can only get so far. A little like my original Mavic Pro. The spec hasn't changed much since, so no need to get a new version for what I use a drone for (and as for drones getting quieter - who cares when they're 200-400ft above you!)
I’ve tried every thing to get my GoPro 10 to work but I’ve lost patience. It either stops recording or the sound doesn’t work or the mounts wilt. There’s always something that goes wrong.
Agreed, they really aren't doing enough. Still using three Hero 7's, with Reelsteady and the Karma gimbal still don't really see the need to upgrade. There isn't a significant difference in quailty and if I want something that looks amazing I'd just pick up my DSLR. The low light of the Action 5 is VERY appealing though so I might get round to upgrading if GoPro actually increase the sensor beyond the size of my little finger nail. GoPro really don't seem to understand that the segment of action cameras has grown beyond filming only 'action', people really like the idea of a very compact camera where you don't have to worry about focus, poor light and stabilization. Something you can just quickly grab and capture whatever is going on in your life and the footage always looks decent is very appealing to a lot of folks.
I've been using the first gen HERO and it still brings me the 2016 vibes
I agree 100%. I started using GoPro with the Hero 9 and now getting each new model, I have 5 of them. I am happy with them for sure. But I also agree with you that GoPro needs to strive toward bringing more significant upgrades to the newer models.
I'm one of those who switched over to another competing product. Been using GoPro since Hero 5 and now on Ace Pro 2. I'm a scuba diver and for years been using red filter to compensate the color loss. I'm no pro in video editing and color correcting every clip is a bit too much for me. Now that I'm on Ace Pro 2, my footage has way more realistic colors.
I was also disappointed when GoPro killed off the GoPro Studio desktop.
I miss my Hero 4 Silver. That was rock solid until it got wet without a case. I've owned SEVEN GoPros since... All unreliable.
I switched to DJI Action 4. I just want the normal day-to-day features of a camera I can depend on.
It's only worth updating every like 5 years, unless you are a pro you don't need to swap yearly. Yearly release means when you are ready to change they have something competitive.
Great video Z. I am currently using the 12, and I love it. I will say this because it doesn't do as well with low light situations as some of the newer cams, specifically the Action 5 Pro. When I'm in the market again, which is probably a few years off I will be considering the newest with the best nighttime capabilities. I think that is the only thing left for GoPro. Everything else is great. So yea, that would be the biggest selling point for me next time around.
Thank you. One benefit with Gopro that makes it hard to leave is still being able to use Reelsteady which is so important for FPV. Since now it is only integrated with the GoPro Software. The other option "Gyroflow" just doesn't do it for me. I'd love to test out the Action 5 or the insta360 Ace Pro 2 and just see how each of them holds up compared to eachother though!
There are many avanues of improvement that gopro isnt doing
To start off, senor size which will help with dynamic range and low light
Both DJI and Insta have bigger sensors on the their action cam and with that, massively superior low light capabilities
Next we have codecs, all three cam companies still havent dipped into making proffesional codecs available like ProRes which will help attract more advanced users
I guess a problem with something like ProRes could be heat? Totally agree with the bigger sensor for sure though.
Still have the Hero2 here (and in working condition). Did buy the 10 earlier this year, as it was on sale, and I didn't see much added value for me (apart for the cost ;-) ) in the newer 11/12/13 versions for me. Especially enjoying the internal stabilization, which gets so much smoother FPV sports action (windsurfing, biking, skiing...), compared to the old Hero2.
What do you mean 8 hours? You don't mean continuous right?
I have the 10 and really wanted to buy the 12 and 13 respectively but there simply wasn't enough to entice me.
Though the 10 switched off at -2 Celsius and now I got the Action 4.
And not only in cold weather. And nothing's worse than losing your footage. I take even losing 5.3 to 4K and Reelsteady to Gyroflow if I just have my footage!
I really love my GP10 but also hate it. Don't know if they improved on reliability vom 10 to 13.
Ive had the 5, 7 qnd 10 and all of them have had issues which still havent been fixed after so many years and updates. Im fi ally do e and going to buy the dji
I think the iPhone example in the comments is very good. The changes have only been minimal for years, although the marketing traditionally presents them as bigger. There is hardly any reason to replace the devices every 1-2 years.
The problem with GoPro is probably that they offer almost nothing else. Apple earns a lot of money with services and of course not only Apple. But GoPro has hardly anything to offer in these areas. In the long run, you probably can't make money with niche hardware alone.
Him: 11,12 and 13 footage all looks the same
Also Him: The 12 HDR footage is so much better
I totally could have explained that a little better. I was saying that quality wise they are all the same, but adding "High Dynamic Range" to the 12 & 13, improves the images shadows & highlights. But as far as quality, i.e. 4K, 5.3K, etc... its the same between all 3 cameras.
Gopro needs to release a new Session camera, I'd buy a Hero 13 Session in a heartbeat.
But now? I'm gonna stay with my DJI Action...
DJI action 5 pro takes the w for me though
Also, I hope you (or anyone watching) isn't using a GoPro as their main "A" cam! It should just be suplementary B Roll footage.
What are you talking about? GoPro getting destroyed by their competition especially by DJI right now.
Hardly getting destroyed. GoPro still dominates the market in regards to sales. However this year there is serious competition and the dominance that GoPro has enjoyed is coming to an end. There are cameras that are just as good and are developing brand recognition. GoPro cannot rely on their name anymore which is a good thing for the consumer. But to say they’re getting destroyed is just false at this point.
@johnd9357 They are. I hope they can turn things around though because I hate CCP controlled companies.
Nice video. Im of those "has an 8 or a 9 and doesnt need anything more" people.
Why do we still talk about GoPro!?
i dont see the problem
With 14 they just need biger sensor and they will get the crown back ❤
Gopro should follow skydio… lobby to get rid of DJI in this camera market. It work with the dji drones. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️😂😂😂
The DJI ban seems to have failed today. We might be safe, at least for now...