The best rookie perimeter defender ever? | Herbert Jones
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Herbert Jones locked down the Spurs and Dejounte Murray in their play-in game. Just how good is Herb's defense right now and should he be on the All-defensive team as a rookie? This detailed film breakdown & scouting report analyzes the Pelicans rookie while incorporating analytics & stats to assess his impact.
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I love that you show good defensive plays even when they result in the offense scoring. You can play good or even great defense, do everything you're supposed to, and the offense still scores, and it's good to see that you're showing that
Totally agree! Same with great execution but the shot misses. Coach Nick over at Bballbreakdown does the same thing on his channel and I love it.
@@ryanandrewbaker BBALLBREAKDOWN is ass
@@ryanandrewbaker shoutout to coach nickk
Great defense will always lead to good offense
He also does it the other way around. He shows good offense generation even if it results in a miss
Videos on defensive specialists are always a banger
Fantastic stuff and that only Ben can provide.
Encyclopedic bangers.
Caruso, Thybulle, Herb, Draymond, Jrue, Mobley to name a few. As good as bball content can get
I never thought I’d see the day. Herb Jones on thinking basketball.
#NotonHerb
My head was blown to
Youd think of all the channels to do a video on him it would be this one. Don’t ya think?
Shocking to see anyone posting the Pelicans
Ive never seen someone play defense so efficient and consistent. Excited to see what the future holds for him. Gary Payton reflexes with Dennis Rodman drive.
Ummm Matisse thybulle
Thybulle and dort also look consistent imo
Respectfully, no one will ever have Rodman’s driver. We’ll never see that again
Young Lebron, MJ, Giannis, Kawhi, D.Wade or even Ben Simmons, Tatum, Smart, Mikal Bridges’ect … A lot of guys were/are more impressive than him in term of perimeter+ rim protection defense, but again, he is just a rookie so we will see.
And if we include rim protector he is nowear near prime Dwight, AD, Gobert, Embiid ect.
@@jeffhardy6333 KG
To think him and Ayo fell so far and are underrated in this legacy draft is insane. The talent level in the game just keeps growing
Ago who the heck is that
@@diegochavez679 ayo dosunmu on the bulls
@zuze he’s already 23. So yes he is old like Ayo
I want more teams there is so much talent out here
I didn't even know about Herbert Jones, the work you do is nice for shedding light on the NBA. This guy is a defensive phenom
I don't watch nba much but Herbert went crazy on defense vs the Spurs.
Craccman Jones
Beautiful foot movement and hand coordination. Love the fluidity in the defense
Herb Jones defense reminds me of Pippen, just the way he moves his feet laterally in defense is so effortless like how Pippen used to do
Him and Mikal Bridges are like the spiderman meme
I see Pippen too. High defensive IQ.Active.
this is a really good take ngl
I'm a sixers fan but this dude is my possibly favourite defender to watch this year. Hustle, length, strength, footwork, anticipation, energy - Herb's got it all 🌿
Better then Mattise?
Thats crazy coming from a sixers fan cuz yall got Thybull, who is also an exceptional defender himself!
@@theretrosavage Personally I think Thybulle is a little overrated by the NBA community, Jones definitely defends better at this point
@@lukematthews21 fair enough
@@lukematthews21 I don't think he is overrated defensively but he can't be that valuable to a team when he has 0 OFFENSE
If Zion comes back (next season) the Pels could have the starting line-up of C.J. - Jones - Ingram - Zion - J.V. ... That's a big physical team w/ plenty of scoring.
You mean when
@@garylewis3611 Let me grab my crystal ball ... Oh yeah I'm not Nostradamus. I mean if.
@@bohansenboh imagine a 21 year kid career over when he's already windmillling and 360 dunking .. you mean when, you kno dam well he's gonna play next year not kno if...
@@garylewis3611 Yeah he'll play more NBA basketball. That's not the question. When, were, for how long? those are the questions. Imagine Greg Oden's career and apply that to Zion. "Anything is POSSIBLE!!!" - KG.
Who's running the point
this dude could be an all star, defensive player of the year candidate, top player in the league. if his offense continues to grow, he could be a serious problem in 5 or so years
He already 23 lol
@@bangbangninergang5133 and? Demar is having his best season at 32
@@bangbangninergang5133 and kawhi didn’t make his first all star team until he was 25
That 16,4,4,4 game he had in game 6 against the suns makes me think he might be another kawhi
@@cadestockman5731 even if he ends up 50% as good as kawhi, that’s still an all defensive team and all star caliber player, and considering where he was drafted that would be a massive W for the pels
There's nothing like engaged basketball players on the defensive end of the floor.
Can you please eventually do a video on Jose Alvarado if he improves? I mean sure his lack of height and weight makes him easy to body out of the paint and shoot over but his ground-level awareness, unusual trength , and hustle will make up for this quite a bit methinks...
cannot say i expected this one, but i am still very excited:)
I know there aren't many Herbs out there but I'd love more videos about impact role players. TB analysis is always top notch, excellent content.
Herb is 100% a future DPOY candidate in a couple of seasons, he has mad potential. Not to mention that his scoring is improving tremendously 💯
Playing corner really gave him a crazy advantage later in life
5:15 was a masterpiece. 🔥🔥🔥
That play vs Okoro (5:00) was insane!! That's elite d bball iq. Wanted the Jazz to draft him so bad.
You should do 5 thoughts throughout this year's playoffs it would be cool and show your thoughts about the playoffs
The second your videos come out gotta watch it. Always the best content
He reminds me of Andre Roberson with more athleticism. Roberson at his peak was the best on ball defender in the league hands down. Over kawhi at the time. I’m not a analytical guy, but the analytics prove that is wasn’t even close. And if you watched, you would just know. Roberson was, for a short time, one of the best perimeter defenders the league has ever seen. He managed to play starter minutes for years on a contending team while being maybe the worst offensive player in the league.
That 2016 series against the dubs was great. Everyone on okc was locked in on d even russ. Dray was neutralized for a good while since KD is just as quick with long ass arms that disrupted his passing
@@chuboasshippo2181 yes too bad westbrick can't shoot and harden was soft the warriors system also worked better
@@diegochavez679 lol did they change the rules to let Harden come over from Houston to play in that series? He was traded from OKC after the 2012 season
@@diegochavez679 ?
If he never went down that OKC team could've made it out of the first round
i love these defense videos!!
Think that defensive back background really shows through. His ability to swivel his hips back and forth to stay with guys is straight up football fundamentals. It really really shines on those plays where he stays attached to a guy driving, he swivels his hips to get going up the court immediately while keeping his arms and torso turned to pester the drive.
Herb jones is one of my favorites rookies to watch
This guy is such a force on defense. Yes, the McCollum trade was critical to their late success, but I think Jones' defense is just as important. He's such a significant factor in keeping NO's defense tight, that nearly his presence alone takes a team whose D in recent years was notorious for being porous to a formidable, intense, active, at times lockdown one.
A McCollun/Jones/Ingram/Zion/Valanciunas lineup is gonna be so good
And they got a lottery pick.8 If it falls into the top four things will get wicked in NOLA
Zion! Gotta get on the Floor Man!!! So I sure hope so..✊🏾💯💤
Him playing corner makes sense, the foot work is impeccable
Breakdowns about great defense and great defensive players are my favorite since it helps me improve my own defense
I’m tired of hearing that Herb’s the best rookie defender. He’s the best perimeter defender in the league already. This man is just unbelievably good at what he does. He will easily win multiple DPOY awards.
So excited for this guy. Making a major investment in his rookie cards.
I’ve been waiting for this ever since I heard that this was being made on the podcast 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
That level of defensive intensity and mechanics is refreshing to watch
Never heard of this guy but damn he’s got some crazy footwork, looks like he’ll be a problem for years to come on that end
He was the SEC player of the year and SEC defensive player of the year last year. Just shows how nba GMs can get things wrong when this kid drops to the 35th pick.
@@carltonbanks5470 lmao that’s ridiculous he wasn’t a first rounder. I assume just his age? Idk why I totally spaced him I watch some college too
@@TheTEN24 4 year seniors going early int he NBA draft is very rare. I think Jones was recognized by everyone as a elite defender, but people thought he'd be a total negative offensively. Turns out he's been a decent shooter and can contribute on offense with his hustle. Making him overall a much, much more valuable player than his draft projection.
@@carltonbanks5470 it’s because he is already 23, for perspective ja morant is 22, gems don’t pick older player due to less time to develop, older players also more often go to teams that need immediate contributors not 19 ur olds who can become smth great
Finally some acknowledgment for 🌿
I didn't even know about this brother until I heard the guys from TTW showing him love, then I started watching some Pelicans games and saw he was a menace on defense!
NOT ON HERB. Perhaps our franchise's best draft pick considering fit and round.
He went on to not make an all defensive team that year. He followed up his sophmore year by getting better at deflecting passes and steals as well as increasing his averages in blocks. He still went on to miss all 3 NBA defensive teams. voters are blind
slightly less lanky and more quick jaden mcdaniels. This allows him to guard quicker guards more effectively and he's slightly sturdier
How do they leave Herb off an all D team and put a guy like Matisse Thybulle who only played 60 something games on there???
Dude, you need to do more videos on teams again!!! Those are your best content!
Edit: Awesome video by the way
6:12 That's unexpected... An advantage by being small?! I'm gonna write that.
Hum, now i understand even more why Steph chosen Perpetual Motion as his style, was due to necessity by being smaller.
3 blocks on 3 pt attempts 😮
He was a serious key piece in last nights win, too! He hit those 3’s when the Pel’s couldn’t buy a bucket
Another great analysis! Loving the content, Ben! Just to give some unrequested feedback, these "best-ever" titles don't suit your premium content. Best of luck!
That guy is good. I was watching him in that play in game and couldn't believe how good he was at defense.
Every time you don't make a video about Isaiah Hartenstein a basketball God sheds a tear
He’s amazing he reminds me of Evan Mobley the instincts and the composure he got a bright future ! What a find by Pelicans scouting staff !
Pelicans fans FINALLY get to eat
Hate comparing players but he’s like Matisse Thybulle with a 3-pt shot. Once he becomes more consistent, we might be seeing one of the more damaging 3 and D players in the league.
He also drives a lot to the paint with some consistency, gonna be a excellent player for years
Yeah, I like Thybulle, but teams don't even guard him. Herb is a decent enough floor spacer that at least you have to respect his offense.
@@rome8180 Yea. Teams definitely dare Thybulle to shoot. Even in the corner.
Herb is my favorite player in the league right now, yes I am a pels fan who saw all his highlights live but he is one of those guys who have you in shock watching his highlight tape. Absolute problem and I expect a huge jump from him even after last season
PLEASE WATCH THE GAME YESTERDAY. Herb Jones is going to win a DPOY at least 3 in his career
CONGRATS!! Herb Jones NBA All Defensive 1st Team
Appreciate it Ben.
This draft class got more defense than the last five classes combined , maybe even more
Would be pretty lame if Zion doesn't at least give this team a chance before he tries to force his way out.
Love these videos, when watching NBA game 99% of the time, the technique and strategy is invisible to me.
Crazy part is he’s not a liability on offense either like most defensive minded players
I like this kid. His perimeter defense is deadly. Can't wait to see him tonight against Regie Jackson
Idk who he is but I love defense and love this video
You make the best videos, period.
I learn a lot
Great video. Herb reminds me of a young Pippen.
He is Scottie Pippen reincarnated. His offense shares the most similarity with him of any elite perimeter defenders I can think of and why not compare potentially the best rookie perimeter defender ever to somebody of that caliber
I been saying the same thing. Straight up 2022 Scottie Pippen.
The fact none of you talk about is every single defensive guys can't guard Kawhi. Lu Dort, Wilmslow, PJ Tucker, Smart and a few other guys all struggle against Kawhi cos he's a defensive genius and sees all thr tricks and beats them all
Over the years, it’s effective defense that’s become sexy in my eyes currently in the NBA. Few guys can hope to have this kind of impact, let alone a rook.
He’s relentless. I love the urgency and hustle, too bad he’s playing in a small market in NO. Herb easily could’ve been on All-Defensive Team. Hope he gets in next year, he’ll probably take it to the next level.
Unfortunately he didn't get in 🤦🏻♂
Lowk the NBA has prioritized scoring so players like Jones are fun to watch
I love the strength of his Hips and Lower body... Kinda sus but okay 🤣🤣💀
Great video
He literally looked like draymond on that play against okoro where he jumped back
That wingspan helps too lol
He gets an unbelievable amount of contests. Now that usually means shots. But he won't let sht go down on his watch. The pass is contested and the dribble is contested, too. "Not on Herb!"
2k needs to hire guys like you.
herb plays like a veteran, just what the pelicans needed
Not on Herb.
This dude might actually become the greatest defender of all time....
TBH, the best perimeter defender in the NBA
Not only between rookies
Just watch his game
Not on Herb!
7:37 "So will barton couldn't even make a basic connection with a cutter" nah he just can't really pass with or without herb jones lmao
Herb always brings the poison on perimeter
Future DPOY for sure
Very similar to Matisse Thybulle from the Sixers 👏
HERB HONES WAS BLOCKING jump shots nba players usually put up with eeeeease
I have never been this hyped for the playoffs in my life. I am 31 years old
Herb is different
when the football player starts playing basketball
The rightful rookie of the year in my opinion. His luck-adjusted RAPM numbers prove he is having possibly some form of MVP level impact for the Pels. His offense isn't too shabby either. I've noticed that his handle is secure and that he overwhelmingly uses it to drive into easy fastbreak points though his long-rangedness and passing is questionable or even negative at times.
This is crazy
@@kyeh8445 LMFAOOO
@@kyeh8445 Right!? He has crazy defense. Maybe that's what the Pels needed to really make a mark on the playoffs!? I don't see them getting past the WCSF BUT meh ya never know.
here's why I feel like defense isn't worse/better than 80s or 90s-00s basketball, look at some of these clips where even though herb contested beautifully while closing out on a shooter they still made it and tell me "today's players don't play defense" no what it is is NBA players generally speaking have gotten better offensively in terms of shooting, ball handling , setting up mismatches and athleticism (athleticism not by much but enough to make defenses have to work harder to close out or recover). NBA players today are much better shooters than 1992 And 2002. largely speaking if you look at the average 3 point% of the 90s-00s it's lower than today's NBA and on top of that most of those 3s those players were taking back then were open unless it was late in the shot clock or you were a star, or had caught fire. so players back then shooting roughly 32% from 3 on mostly open shots vs players today shooting 36% on mostly tightly contested 3s because a lot of times teams already know the play, know which player is coming off the screen and have adjustments to stop that and even then they still can't always stop a player from draining shots cause shooters today are much better than shooters in years past. also with that defensive schemes were easier back then . hell in 2007 to stop the Cavs all you had to do was wall up the paint... and you got brick city. now you have to hone in on more players on a team cause now instead of a team having 3-4 quality shooters, they now have 12-13 players who can shoot 35%+ from 3 and only 1 or 2 players who can't. if anything defenders today have to work harder, but get less recognition for it.
It goes both ways. Players on average were less skilled back then but that also means if you were a star back then, you were playing with less skilled teammates. In terms of 3pt shooting skill , it’s also better on average but in terms of contested 3’s is actually about the same. Players no doubt hit a lot of contested 3’s like Curry and Klay but since guys are attempting a lot more you have so many open ones on fast breaks or guys who are just left open from outside like Westbrook and Giannis. In terms of 3pt accuracy, it’s been about 34-36% on average since the mid to late 90’s to today.
Herbs defense is insane. And he's only a rookie 🤯🤯🤯
So the pelicans will have a very complete starting line up next year? Where could it be better?
I love, love, love the situation at 4:55! Goddamn that is amazing defence!
Need that jalen green vid
Ben how would u compare Herb's defense as a rookie vs. Luguentz Dort's defense as a rookie? Who would u say was more impressive? Or both equal in their own ways? 🙂
Can't wait to see him put book in jail
This is what Derrick Jones Jr could have tried 2 turn himself into if he wanted an actual shot in the leauge, exact same build as herb and 10x as athletic
great video, had no idea about this guy
klaw terminator will own him
can't wait next year
Who's better defender. Herb or bridges with the sun's?
Pilfering penetrators! His ability to read passes is already unparalleled I feel, feels like major gambles but it's just always right.