The complexity of Cade Cunningham
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- Is Cade Cunningham the best rookie of 2022? This detailed film room analysis looks at the Pistons rookie point guard, incorporating data and stats to understand how good he is right now, and how he can improve in the future.
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"This will look familiar to Luka fans"
*cuts to a shot of Luka Garza*
Had me in the first half ngl
lol I'm glad someone else noticed it
That was just coincidence. 😂 He was actually referring to Luka Doncic.
@@anthonyj.s.7266 it's called a Pun.
As a Pistons fan, you have no idea how happy it makes me that you're making a video about us LOL. Thanks for highlighting his defensive strengths. Since he understandably doesn't have the defensive stats forwards like Mobley and Barnes may have, most NBA fans don't understand the complete impact Cade has on our team.
I have an idea 💡 ima pistons fan better than Jalen Mobley an etc😂💯😁🔥
The people who don't understand his complete impact are simply stat sniffers. Out of the top 10 of his class Cade is the one with the burden to being THE offensive hub for his team. So it makes sense his numbers will fluctuate because as good as his skillsets are for a 20 yr old, teams also game plan to primarily shut him down over his other teammates.
@@t4d0W save your breath, these people are Detroit haters. time will hurt them more than any word or comment. let them have their Mobley ROTY. Cade is going to be a megastar!
He is getting exactly the young pieces he seems to need to fit with his skill set. If this really young team’s personalities fit together as well as their skill sets should, they will be super fun to watch.
same
Cade did 22.9/5.9/7.0 on .480/.324/.826 shooting for in March which is a 14 game sample. He has been playing at the level for 20 games though.
Luka did 21.2/7.8/6.0 on .427/.327/.713 shooting for his rookie year.
Luka is 26.3/8.5/8.0 on .457/.336/.736 for his career.
People say Cade needs to reduce TOs. Cade has averaged 3.6 while Doncic has averaged 4.1 for his career.
People say Cade needs to become more efficient shooter. Luka has been .336 from 3 for his career. It's BS to say Cade has to get to 37-38%.
What Cade really needs to do is become consistent with his March numbers for an entire year and figure out how to get more FTs. Then he's scary close to Doncic who is a consistent MVP candidate. Three more made FTs a game, a couple of more rebounds and Cade is virtually identical to Luka statistically. He's really not that far off from one of the best young players in the game as a rookie. At the least, you have to admit he has flashed a Doncic level.
Just don't get too caught up with numbers. The coolest thing with Doncic I admire of him as a player is that every year he works on something in the summer and shows near mastery of it by the next season. Not every young player is capable of adding something legit in their bag every year and having it be part of their arsenal. In Luka's rookie year he was flirting how to execute that James Harden step back. By his 2nd year he mastered that and was figuring out how to be an elite below the rim finisher. By year 3 he had all those and by playoffs was working on a sick dribble fade away midrange jumper. By year 4 he had the midrange fade away as a bread and butter and his progress was more about working off Kidd's scheme to be an off-ball guy. This progress you can't see in numbers necessarily but only on film and on court application. Here is hoping Cade has a similar yearly progression.
@@t4d0W I strongly suspect Cade will add to his game every offseason as the greats do. He's a very cerebral guy.
“After buffing up”😂💪🏾
Love from Detroit🔥
Love these player profiles! Would love to eventually get Mobley or Barnes.
Corey Kispert
Why not both?
🤣why would you want one of Harrison Barnes?
@@divinepalette384 scottie barnes
Respectfully none of them are as interesting as this
This dude has GAME. He's a rookie and has shown more than flashes of what he can do. Future perennial all star in my opinion. Lets revisit this conversation when he's in the last year of his rookie deal. We will be talking max contract.
and he will play his career in Detroit. this kid has integrity, something rare in sports today. he will get paid and the check will have the Pistons logo on it. Lakers fans are already toilet-sniffing around talking about signing him in 4 years. hes not a sellout!
Got his contract🔒
He's going to be a great player. Always thought he was more of a secondary ballhandler and off ball guy than a guy who can actually run an offense though. Would love to see more legend profiles like Dominique, Gervin, Moses or Barkley.
a barkley spotlight would be awesome
He’s not a secondary guy lmao
@@commandershepard1838 not what the numbers say lmao
definetly need that barkley
Correct me if this isn't good reasoning but I don't think his shooting is good enough to be a secondary guy. Even if it was to improve I can see him taking on a role similar to that of Doncic and having even more of the ball.
A lot of his efficiency issues at the rim and in the midrange have been sorting themselves out since the allstar break. He’s in a bit of a slump from three at the moment but we’ve seen month long stretches of consistent above average shooting that calms my nerves about that in the future. I think he gets off to a much better start next season and really puts it all together
Cade will have a real team this year with all the cap space.
At this moment his biggest issue is refs who aren't doing their job, he gets hacked, gets no calls, he loses confidence and that's it
His shot is my biggest concern, his form is not improving which is why he can't make a three rn, I don't expect he improved his 3pt stop without tweaking it a little bit. We'll see what happens this off-season
@@rafaelsantana4905 Cade's IQ and confidence are off the charts so he's not going to lose it.
From high school to college there were concerns about his 3 pointers and it went to 40%...
@@brokentubing yeah but it came down to earth. He's even hesitant to take threes rn because he lost confidence on his form, and that's ok, he's 20 and has a lot of time to improve
His TS% has gone from terrible to merely bad. For a month, now, he's been at a level you'd expect from a rookie lottery pick. Bad, but on a trajectory for being something down the line. For the year, however, he's been bust territory BAD. Certainly not ROY material.
That first clip with the tear drop high off the window was nasty. The boy is clean. Uncle smoothie
Also all those missed passes are a good thing. Dont know where the line is till you cross it.
What I love about your videos is that there’s no sense of bias anywhere and very clear analysis without too many numbers and statistics, just enough. Being a Pistons fan it’s always awesome to see breakdowns/studies of my team being that we’ve been in limbo since 2008.
That being said, I think someone else said it as well but his inefficiencies (specifically at the rim and midrange) could be due to him not being a fully, physically developed NBA player. A lot of his FGA come at the rim and going up against the centers and PFs today is part of the learning curve. And not to be “one of those guys” who look for foul calls all the time, but he’s getting 2.5 FTA a game. When I do get to watch games there are some fouls that go uncalled and it takes a hit on his FG% being that he likes attacking the rim. But even though he was drafted into what a lot of people think is NBA purgatory, he puts in 110% of effort. You showed him closing out hard on defense and really showcasing his talent on that end, he’s really showing that he’s willing to accept the role of being THE guy to turn our franchise around and it makes me excited with the other pieces falling into place around him already. Saddiq Bey who is a walking bucket, MB3 who is having a resurgence in Detroit, Isaiah Stewart and Jeremi Grant (even though he may be traded in the offseason). There’s a lot to look forward to with Cade leading the way and Troy Weaver making decisions.
his playstyle is so smooth, and eloquent. he's been improving at the end of the season too, so I'm expecting a overall boost in his game next year. I honestly think he could be all-nba calibre imo.
the Pistons being bad wont allow him to be all nba for some time. maybe all star caliber tho
kinda hard to get a full view on how good Cade will be solely due to how bad the Pistons were early in the season. Missing Grant/Olynyk/ Frank Jackson took 3 of our best shooters out for substantial time not to mention not having a true lob threat until the Bagley trade. Also it doesn’t help that he’s one of the least FTA players in comparison to how many shots he takes per game. I think as the players around him develop and detroit adds a few more pieces it will only make Cade better.
Not to mention how Saddiq Bey hasn’t been shooting from range or even scoring with the same efficiency as he was last year until near the end of this season, leaving fewer weapons that the opposition needs to respect.
@@cycleoflife565 only people who understand this are us Pistons fans and people that actually watch most games.
@@fireestyle I’m beginning to see that.
So surprised to hear that rookies like Cade modeling his game from Luka Doncic. I mean, Luka is still a very very young player and he already has lots of influence towards others. Seems like big PG is another trend in NBA.
@CULI-FABRIZIO he started it but no one followed until decades later where the game has changed so much
As a warriors fan, it would be great to see a video about Jordan Poole, he's had an amazing month leading nba in 3pt made and having a great TS%.
tuff
Glad we got cade!
Touching on Franz Wagner would be really interesting. Easily the most underrated Rookie in the class.
not easily, since most have him top 5 or 6, where he belongs, but he's not talked about.
nah that goes to bones hyland
@@chadtheafricanbullfrog418 💯💯Bones has star potential
@@chadtheafricanbullfrog418 faaaacts
He is so underrated, floater game is insane, But he can develop a Pull Up Midy and be a 3 Way Scorer
That’s why I love having Cade so much. He can control the game and is smart enough to use his body and the rim to finish over good defenders. His jump shooting efficiency will come around soon.
I'd love to see Barnes next! I feel he's such a unique player and has some really interesting strengths.
He’s great but he greatly benefits from being on a competent team. His rookie season would arguably be a disaster if he was drafted to say Houston or Detroit.
@@Fent- A good coach will do that, Dwayne Casey is also a great coach for young players
@@Fent- His value over replacement stats are still higher despite being on a better team. They are very close overall
@@Fent- In terms of overall effectiveness maybe, but in terms of volume playmaking and scoring I disagree. Cade has a ton of volume stats and gets to stretch his game more being on a rebuilding Detroit team, and given more room to try things and make mistakes. If Cade went to Toronto, he wouldn't average anywhere near the per game numbers he's averaging in Detroit and wouldn't get nearly as much opportunity for on ball creation that he does in Detroit.
While I think being on a good Raptors has helped Barnes' "stock" in many ways, being with other capable playmaker has definitely reduced his usage and opportunities to playmake. The biggest thing that lowers how much opportunity Barnes gets to showcase his skills is that the Raptors have so many combo forward type players, including 2 of their top 3 players in Siakam and OG. His overlap in position with him probably impacts his usage significantly. It's remarkable Barnes has been able to score and playmaker at the volume he does given he's sometimes the 4th or 5th option on that end.
@@mikeflip79 Those numbers are heavily skewed by being on a winning, and competent team. Do you think his VORP numbers would be good if he was being asked to carry Detroit’s offense or Houston’s offense like Green or Cade? Lol cmon
MANNNN I’m so thankful my pistons picked him. I knew he was going to be a menace as soon as he threw on the buffs. He’s going to be in the MVP talks in a year or 2
Man I haven’t watched the video yet and I been preaching to anybody who would listen that this man got the whole bag . He plays so under control kinda like CP3 but has speed that he only uses when needed. He got mid range, 3 pt, step backs , hook shots, fadeaways, footwork , floaters, acrobatic layups, high arcing layups. I didn’t even mention his playmaking man🤦🏽♂️. Hell I didn’t even mention that he 6’8 with a 7 foot wingspan. Don’t get me wrong I love the whole draft class and think them a lot of em special, but by next year I don’t think it’s gone be close
Cade, Mobley, Barnes, Suggs, even Kuminga all have high defensive potential. Crazy how these top picks are such great defenders in their rookie year too!
Especially Kuminga. He’s the one guy that I think could be an all timer. I honestly thought he was 6ft 10in because he plays so big. *not a Warriors fan. We don’t have a team, so I just have favorite players, not teams.
Kuminga is a freak of nature hope he’s not injury prone
uh... On the defensive end there's Mobley, a massive gap, and then everyone else...
Uhh i think youre a casual if you really think mobley is that far from other rookies LOL cuz theres alot of good defensive players in this draft class. so, smarten up and dont say anything more stupid ahaha
@@nightwing8664 I think you're a casual if you dont see how hes separated himself. So maybe smarten up, or better yet, just dont speak.
Take out first 4 games in the league coming off injury and his averages jump dramatically. Huge free throw discrepancy between Cade and others taking 8+ shots in the paint - can't buy a whistle - true shooting takes a hit. It's a historic rookie season with Jerami Grant's 40 games representing his best 'help'. And still the tone around Cade is negative.
For context, the Cavs are a bottom 6 defense without Jarrett Allen yet Mobley's about to waltz to a ROY playing alongside 2 all-stars. Even Scottie has 2 all-stars and strong pieces. Why does W/L determine the ROY race suddenly? The Detroit vs Everybody line exists for good reason.
His 3rd game against Philadelphia he had 18/10/4 his 4th game against Brooklyn he had 17/4/2 it was his first 2 games he struggled with no preseason no training.. Look it up ..#DetroitvsEverybody
I agree with everything you said.
love his game. definitely one of my fav players for the future
He’s going to be amazing!!
I hope this video makes it to the Piston's subreddit. They were insanely upset about your pod segment with Kyle on Cade. I found it funny especially knowing how much Kyle has loved Cade. I think he's got the ability to be an all star but I'm more skeptical than before the season on him ever being a top 10 player given these percentages. His context is also very tough as you noted, he's benefitted some from having Bagley to throw lobs to, despite the fact that Olynyk is one of our better players. I'd love to see the Pistons pick up Chet but I worry about him being the threat in PnR that Cade needs. If they fall outside of the top 4 or so I think Duren could be nice as the starting center of the future.
Pistons subreddit can be a little dramatic lol, i think as a fanbase we still have a giant chip on our shoulder
I still like Ivey for us over everyone else in this draft.
@@connorfoumia9343 Ivey is good but I'd way prefer someone in the front court
AJ griffin and Mathurin are my picks outside the top 4.
@@Rohishimoto Yeah I like giving Cade a legit PnR rim runner before getting him another perimeter combo guard whose just fast with the ball but offers nothing else so far.
Thank you! You could've done a vid on a current all-star, big market team, or playoff contender, but you did one on my guy Cade! Great Analysis!
I think he could be a mix of Luka and CP3 it'd be cool to see him become a big pass first PG setting up his team
I have said this same exact thing!!
Reminds me of the movement and creativity of luka, but doesn’t necessarily have that tough shot making ability and dominance. Like Cp3 more so In his shot selection, and better defense.
Feels to me like he would rather make the smart play as opposed to trying to assert dominance offensively
He has the control over the game like Cp3 with a better midrange and has way better defensive and offensively his bag is something like Lukas just less flashy
please do a jalen green version of this, his improvement since february has been something to pay attention to
Cade is better!!!
nope. Nothing special about him.
basketball is rhythm and cade is playing smooth jazz. to his defender, u never know when cade will hit the drum but it will be right on time 🎶
I think Cade is a better three point shooter than his 32 per cent might suggest. He tinkered his form before the start of the season and had really bad shooting nights near the beginning. He's much better now and he'll continue to get better.
Slow and low release. Elbows not aligned... his form speaks how his efficiency goes
“Buffin up” 😂😂 I love it! What up doe from Detroit.
He had an ankle injury during pre-season and an ice cold start to the season. And it also doesn’t help his teammates can’t hit a lot of outside shots. He’ll be a force to be reckoned with in a couple of years, just hope the Pistons can find & develop the right teammates.
Cade’s improvement has been very impressive. His efficiency recently is underrated due to his initial slump but if he’s able to be more disciplined in defense and reduce committing fouls, he’s already an all star.
he has all star numbers since the calendar changed to 2022.
Have been saying this… he will win a championship in Detroit. He is a total stud, putting up rookie numbers similar to MJ, don’t get why he is labeled as not a star.
I am glad that Cade is here in Detroit.
Not gonna mention how many times gets fouled and the refs refuse to blow the whistle? Half of the inefficiency is because of horrific officiating. Never seen a guy get fouled so much and never getting a call. A quarter of the inefficiency was at the start of his season when he missed his 1st nba training camp and preseason to start the nba adjustment process. Cade is by far the most complete player in this class and one of the best rookies to come into the nba in yearssss. Supremely talented offensive conductor with a high basketball iq = ⭐️
Thank you! Like cmon I like the video but tell me you don’t watch pistons games without telling me lol
watch nuggets games and watch Jokic..
@@compent nobody is saying that no other stars don’t get calls, but yeah, Jokic is definitely a victim of it as well.
@@natemathewson5200 I just mentioned Jokic who is one of the victims. I know nobody is saying other stars don’t get calls, I just shared my opinion.
EXACTLY, people fail to realize that missed foul calls affects a players shooting percentage because if he is fouled while shooting then it's not counting as a missed shot attempt, and also free throw attempts also affects a players scoring average, if he averaged just 3 more free throw attempts a game then his scoring average would be closer to 20pts a game
Great a guy with all star potential pistons fans finally got someone good in cade. I’m sure when he analyzes Scottie’s and mobleys game it will be superstar level tho
I never imagined I'd hear you say "buffing up" in reference to Cartier glasses. Motown Noah probably loved that
WHAT A PLAY FROM GORDON 9:10
ya I've noticed that since joining Denver Gordon has gotten better and better on offence with that passing and backdoor cutting of his.
Hyped about the vid. I don't watch any Piston's ball but people are saying Cade is pretty damn good. Excited to see what the hype is about.
We're in for a treat if Cade starts to consistently match Mobley's steady production.
@@dusk6159 hes well on his way to that imo. His numbers since the all star break are very impressive
@@dusk6159 unfortunately since Allen's injury Mobley's production has been inconsistent.
@@dusk6159 are you have to do is look at his stats the last 2 months his production all year has been steady except for the first week of the season
Make one for Scottie. Playing 1-5 and impacting winning as much as Scottie has surely hasn't escaped your attention. He's been the best rookie by a wide stretch and I don't really think it's close. Generating the amount of offense he does for himself, guarding 1-5, playing huge minutes on a team that's improved as much as it has. His usage and shot attempts went up after the ASG weekend and he's improved his efficiency. Seriously, he's in rookie LeBron territory, and Cade simply put isn't.
You putting Scottie over Cade is mad dumb wouldn’t call him rookie lebron either and also I see him being a star but for you to say that about Cade is pure hate cause he has so much iq than Scottie
@@GameChanger-xi4iy Def the best passer. You must not be watching.
🥺 it been a LONG TIME coming but we finally found that 1 player to build around. All these yrs of being ass and mediocre might finally be coming to an end. Bey & Cade give me soooooo much hope moving forward. Thank you Troy Weaver
How you feel now? Even better eh?
Cade's efficiency struggles since first 15 games of season are practically a non-issue. His finishing around the hoop since all-star break I believe would be elite if he was drawing more fouls. I didn't like that the summary argument didn't account for stark improvement throughout the season, especially in 2 pt scoring. It's up to .514 2pt FGA's since all-star break. He's so good and patent in traffic. When he learns how to get to the FT line, I think he could have elite efficiency.
End of the season Cade showed he can be THE DUDE and a damn good one. Took him a while to get on his feet but don’t get it twisted; he has arrived
Cade literally is going to turn around the Pistons franchise, in a few years we’ll see him in MVP conversations
Sucks yall got the 5th pick but yall might be able to get something for Jerami Grant. Another lottery pick
@@Shortballa11 nah I’ll take Ivey and then sign ayton. Trade grant
@@detpistons4l401 Its no guarantee yall get Ivey tho. High chance Sac drafts and trades him. I can see Grant being traded for Ayton, cuz Suns are only gonna do a sign and trade
@@Shortballa11 yea we’d prolly have to throw in sum else but u right. I’d take tht trade too
I’d like to see a series where you show how certain all time greats improved a through the years to make them the players they were
Love cade, he went to my HS his underclassman years, the sky is the ceiling for him.
These videos are great. A video on Anthony edwards would be cool
Cade is gonna be the best two way player in the league, no doubt
9:09 underrated play by gordo. Be hind the back for a look away lay up pass.
Really liked his temperament seeing interviews with him, he is confident but not an egomaniac and he is very calm
Cade Cunningham is the only player in the history of basketball to lead the NCAA and the entire NBA in clutch scoring, while NOT even being the leading scorer on his own NBA team. 🤔 Look it up! What other rookie besides Cade missed training camp, preseason and a couple of games to start his rookie season? 🤔 Did Cade play semi-pro basketball against other professionals like Jalen wonder 🤔? Did Cade play with other All-Star caliber players like Mobley and Scottie 🤔? Which position is the hardest one to learn in the NBA 🤔? Duh...point guard. Cade was also double teamed or triple teamed more than any other rookie and he's not even the leading scorer on his team.
I love this observation
Stop building around Mediocre overrated, overhyped MediCade Cunningham. He was NEVER worthy of being selected as the #1 overall pick. He needs to learn to play off the ball and quit Masquerading as a Point Guard. He is not a Point Guard. Hell he avg more turnovers than assist in College and hasnt faired much better in the pros. Pistons havent improved one bit since his arrival. 😢🤬
@@dahnic69You sound like you don’t understand the game of basketball. A number one pick can’t save a garbage franchise, which the pistons undoubtedly are, and Cade also had a major injury so he hasn’t even had time to turn things around. Number 1 picks can only save franchises that have at least somewhat competent front offices/cultures
@@dahnic69Those turnovers were from miscommunication or from messed up dribbles rather then actual On ball turnovers if you actually watched him play in College.
Glaze
I love when you use this background music. It fits basketball and your videos this well
Cade putting Detroit back on the map!🔥 Bad Boys
Yeah back on the map in 14th place of the Eastern conference 💀
@@Bergamot88 I mean we on track to being good lmao he a future star
@@Bergamot88, Rome was not built in a day
@@Bergamot88 they gonna be better next year and the year after Cade is the truth
This rookie got the most potential because he has a great iq for the game and the body to become one of the greatest
Great video!
I want to hear your thoughts about His lack of FTA. As a guard shooting in the paint quite a lot, he got very few calls (34pts without even one free throw attempt? that is not so common nowadays). I wonder if there is some skill or fundamental stuff that caused this.
And I think we don't need to worry too much about his shooting. The form looks good. And he is a hard worker. although a little bit changed comparing his college. Only how the Pistons gonna build is worrisome.
I also don't think Pistons is using him too heliocentric(like Harden or Luka)? There is quite a lot of possessions they just gave to Bey, Hayes, and Grant. Cade is 27 usage and Grant is 25.
And if possible, please make some other rookies' videos... I love to hear how you are evaluating the 2021 draft.
Good we don't want to use him like luka or harden that style of ball never wins and pistons and Cade want to win championships
It was funny that you said "this one will look familiar to Luka fans" as the camera briefly showed a close up of Luka Garza. Very different Luka
Pistons fan. Cade has the PERFECT demeanor for The Pistons. Perfect fit for the city. We LOVE CADE! CADE COUNTY!
This sounded like your describing RJ Barrett! Please do a video of him, he’s been averaging 25 ppg last 33 games and he’s only 21 so underrated
This video is clearly outdated. Cade is 17-5-5 not 15-4-4. Plus cade is shooitng 42% for midrange not 37%. Also Cade is like 22-7-7 on 45% since the all-star break.
Some of his videos take a while to produce. And things may have changed in the interim. The video is very fair though
A lot of work was put into this vid, i can tell. Nice job. Loved the breakdown of the moves
Future Triple double Machine
Yessir! By far my favorite TH-cam channel
Has top 10 player in the league potential
best rookie in the draft hands down. I watch a lot of raptors and pistons, and have seen a fair amount of cavs game.... and yes cade has the most complete game.. by far.. anyone who says otherwise I honestly just feel bad for cause they clearly dont watch cade consistently.
Great breakdown. Would’ve liked a mention about his solid rebounding out of the PG spot
I hope Pistons could build around this guy and make a solid contender in the following years
Love your videos! Keep up the great work
My dawg Ice wood Cade bout to eat the League alive. 💯💯💯💯
Always loved the background music😎
3:14 That's really unusual!!! You wouldn't expect players like him playing "Bully Ball", knowing his background explains a lot. Incredible of you to go this deep.
Ben, do you think his less-than-ideal team situation has contributed to his inefficiency? Seeing how he doesn't have the best offensive help around him, defenses might have exploited that and devoted more resources to stifling his shots everywhere. I do agree that he is slightly miscast as a primary scoring option right now and hopefully with drafting that can change, but I think Cade has the potential to be the primary playmaker on that Pistons team one day.
The point is will his role as a primary playmaker be that much better than him being ideally the 2nd option to a better primary option teammate. Especially in the 2nd option where he can also devote more effort to defense where he is just as effective.
He has the intangibles as well. Pistons got a leader out there.
This year's draft has been one of the best so far. A reminisce of 96 draft class.
I don’t know if you’re taking suggestions but making a video about tj mcconnell and his unusual pg playstyle and his “gnat in the ear” defensive reputation would be awesome
Hearing you talk about Cade preferring lobs to his big men around the rim really makes me want to see Detroit draft Chet Holmgren to see what that would look like
2:12 was a Scottie for RoY clip. Thank you Thinking Basketball
Yeah this breakdown is crazy! It has the good and bad with no bias. I just subscribed
literally was watching your video yesterday and thought to myself. he should make a cade video. wow
I think he’s gonna have a big 2nd year not to put expectations on him but look at what Luka, Ja & Trae did/doing in their 2nd & 3rd year. Their leaps have been exceptional & he has the DNA to do the same.
Not a Pistons fan, but hope they can draft Banchero in the summer. Imo he'd be the perfect player next to Cade as a primary scoring option so Cade can focus on playmaking and defense. Would be an incredible duo to build around in Detroit
I mean Cade said he wants Detroit to draft Paolo, so I'm sure it'll happen if they get the chance.
Banchero, grant and bagley is too much ball stopping for an offense. I think even if cade turns out to be a secondary playmaker he still needs the ball in his hands these early years in his career
Chet or Smith would be better for him
This has been one incredible Rookie Class, this year. You will have a lot to work with.
I agree with almost everything and I really like the video but I think you’re selling him short by calling him a secondary playmaker
That's basically Cade's floor -- a multi-time all-star (on a good team) who is just a step below the Luka's and Trae's of the league. He obviously has a chance to be better than that but based on what he's shown there's definitely reason to be concerned if you are looking at him as an MVP-level heliocentric superstar. And Ben tends to be more realistic than a lot of other people who cover the league.
@@michaelahurt Yeah I’d say it’s his floor but his floor is what his worst case scenario is and I doubt he’ll hit his floor. I’m extremely confident in his ability as a number one option and I 100% believe he can thrive in a heliocentric offense. His struggles aren’t that concerning if you use context and since the all-star break he’s played like nothing short of an all-star and he’s only 20.
I don't care if in his prime he'll be a secondary playmaker
Make him play like that now will shrink his growth. He needs the ball in his hands cause his weaknesses can only be addressed by playing the pg position
Put him in the corner battling through screens and he'll won't be the player he might become one day
@@rafaelsantana4905 very very true
@@hasbullasbiggestfan4438 His struggles are that he's not an explosive athlete though so he has to compensate with skill and craft and whole lot of skill development.
Could he get to where Luka is now? Sure. But I'd argue that player isn't good enough (efficient enough) to be the #1 on a title team without a true 1B (think Anthony Davis). It's just not a given he gets his true shooting over 60% given the relative difficulty level of his shot attempts compared to his peers (Zion, Ja, Edwards). If he does get there it's a wrap because his playmaking is already in the top 5% of the league. It's just not an easy thing to make 50% in floater range + 37% on 8 threes per game which is basically what he needs to do.
I see Cade as the closest Luka clone now or in the pipeline, slightly less wizardry, but more well rounded as athlete, shooter, off-ball, defense. To me it all comes down to FT Rate. Obviously Cade wasn't quite as physically ready as Luka coming in, but he plays so similarly in half court it's hard to figure why he's so much lower. Cade definitely seeks contact, but perhaps not arm contact, anyway he needs to figure that part out. Gain strength, get FT Rate to par, and I see no reason he can't be that level of play. The offensive bag is equally as deep, if not more so. I think Cade has even more uncanny shot release ability than Luka had as a rook
I love the idea of adding a true point guard next to him and both of them share primary ball handling duties. kinda like what he had with Mike Miles in AAU. Allows him to focus on scoring while also being a deadly passer. If they get a first round pick for Jerami Grant and it's not the Blazers pick, I would get Kennedy Chandler to pair with him.
Also, with the addition of Bagley finally unlocked his lob passes that was missing playing with Isaiah Stewart. Imagine with what he's doing with Bagley, how would he do with Jalen Duren. that's a match made in heaven for both sides. Also, Jabari Smith is also a outstanding pair next to Cade.
Was hoping you’d do a video breakdown of case after discussing him on the pod, great content as always
“and then he’ll attack the ball like Michael Jordan at the end of it … Cade does gamble a bit himself” lmaoo
I think Detroit should be heavily prioritizing drafting a center now that Cade looks like he's going to pan out. Similarly to a PnR handler like James Harden for example, Cunningham would greatly benefit from having a big guy who can roll and catch lobs + play down low on either end. That "Shaq & Kobe” archetype of teambuilding around a complementary duo could be a good roadmap for the Pistons rebuild if they the right prospect comes along.
Harden is the best comparison by far, and I hope Cade's looks more at him instead of Luka
When was the last time the top 4 of the draft have all looked like studs. These guys are gonna be great
I’m sorry, but you’re either not paying attention or you’re a biased raptors fan if you think Scottie Barnes is better than Cade. Scottie Barnes is really good, like really good, he’s so far ahead of schedule compared to what we thought it’s not even funny. But he’s in a perfect situation, on a team that can fully unlock his skill set. Scottie plays like a supercharged role player. Putbacks and short rolls are a massive part of his game on offense, with some mid range and play making duties sprinkled in.
On the other hand, the pistons completely dumped the entire offensive load on Cade (pause). They just aren’t really on the same level. Scottie Barnes, while being really good is a cog in the machine, while Cade is the machine. Switch the teams that each players are on and the raptors are easily better, while the pistons are somehow much worse.
If you see how the Raptors year began, with Siakam on the sidelines, Barnes was red-hot with tons of touches. He's actually the more natural point guard between him and Cade in my opinion. I see Cade as being a good-passing scorer, whereas Scottie creates scoring opportunities for himself, because he's a good passer. Our offense is not tailored to his strengths - he would be phenomenal if he had guys that cut off ball and more 3pt threats. It's not like the Raptors are swimming in 3pt threats either, we just have a janky defense, aimed at blowing everyone's game up and forcing teams to spread shot attempts around.
Excellent analysis! Great video!
They Drafted Jaden Ivey to even those odds💯🔥 Bad Boys 4 Life.
Me (and likely half of The audience) during the first few minutes of the video: This guy looks like hes trying to be Doncic.
Ben after those few minutes: Cade says he is trying to be Doncic.
I guess its working then.
Idk I don’t see it other than them both being bigger pg’s and play style that comes with that. Lukas offense is way different than Cade. Luka has/always had a more polished offensive skill set and is closer to Harden than Cade. What Cade brings is the size/playmaking with solid defense.
Nah. Cade looks like he 'wants' to offer more on the off-ball side too (but he can't cuz the rest of his teammates ain't shit on-ball). Plays closer to what D'Lo sees himself now as a swiss-army knife off-ball shot creator. But Cade offers a bigger size, potentially better shooting and is active enough on defense.
He would benefit so much from a good big who can catch lobs & rebound. They get outrebounded in so many clips. Also, his game reminds me of SGA quite a bit. While Cade is much stronger, they both have a slow game & seem to be under control at all times.
A Jalen Green deep dive like this would be heat you got a new sub bro 🔥
Looking at this 4 months later after Pistons got Jaden Ivey and obviously hyped as a Pistons fan. People predicting best Pistons backcourt since Bad Boys don't really seem crazy. This is like a Luka-Ja combo! So hyped!
My favorite rookie
I need to see a Cade and Paolo duo next season
He's the typical Big point guard (amazing defense, passing and rebounding but no jump shot) . He needs to be paired with a true pure scorer forward / shooting guard and a rim runner/ rim protector 7 footer to unlock the full potential of his abilities.
He's actually a really nice shooter. Got off to a terrible start and had a couple of injuries. His shooting numbers are much better in the last couple of months and he's an excellent free throw shooter which usually translates into being a good shooter.
His coordination and dexterity are damn near MJ like. Very fluid athlete. Just not twitchy and explosive like Mike. Cade has a very aesthetically pleasing game. Much needed because mostly this era doesn’t possess the nuances he does.
More like Kobe
@@_Trey-3 yea