i honestly thought destiny finishing the black knight squad were just separate cuts of destiny going through them one by one. now knowing it’s actually dupes simultaneously fighting them makes it a lot more impressive
Even thought Shin had experience from fighting multiple enemies before, the fight with Strike Freedom at the last battle of SEED Destiny really helped Shin to fight many Kira level pilots, also, may be he had simulation fights with Kira many times during the time before the movie, that can really helped, too. Shin can really learn from his past experience.
Fun fact: the director actually said at 6:42 some duplicates are actually physical as well and shinn was controlling all those by himself (he just kinda said shinn abilities with destiny are able to made time skips and decide which moment he want to appear from)
I mean we can see that when the beam boomerang hit Griffin and using the beam cannon a second later that the two beam boomerangs are back on its shoulders but you see one fly off.
all of the three boomerangs actually hit Griffin's Roa, the first one destroyed the beam mant generator, the second one damaged Roa's side of torso, and the third one decapitated the head/main camera. fourth if you include the fallen beam rifle. also I just noticed that when Destiny performed the jet stream attack with Hilda, the duplicates didn't dissolved into thin air, but moving out of camera's sight independently while glowing yellow. considering the last scene, these duplicates probably merged with the other Destinies.
Actually, 1 of the boomerangs was an illusion Griffin dodged not knowing which is real. A single boomerang dealt 2 blows. Checked it on another reviewers channel
@@branislavanenadovic3171 it wasn't illusion the boomerang hit the right side of the beam mant generator and the slashed damaged part was seen, hence why the beam mant was turned off (even though it was somewhat turned on again before it exploded)
4:43 I thought Shin fired that red beam at random, but now when I looked closer, he actually fired it at the black knight coming that way, like Shin predicted the path of that black knight.
Upgraded Volture Lumiere, Mirage Colloid manipulation makes the illusion that those after images are solid but Shinn is just moving so fast and using the cloaking function of the mirage colloid,
Actually for the final attack scene,I would explain it as Destiny was moving so fast,it cause the outer armour of Destiny shed off, similar to F91 MEPE system, the duplicate are just distracting while the true unit lands the blow, it just moving too fast
I can't help but think that Shinn went full Naruto during that segment, with him almost literally using the shadow clone technique (kage-bunshin no jutsu). Seeing of how far Destiny Spec-II's afterimages could be pushed just left me baffled. Unfortunately, this battle also shoved tech-lore accuracy to the curb as Shinn's beam weapons were suddenly able to go through Femto-Tech Armor (the hyper impulse cannon, the beam boomerangs, and the Shinning Fingah) - except for when Shinn pierced through one of the BKs with his anti-ship sword as the tip of the sword is physical. That battle then ended up raising a question as to why Mighty SF even needed to borrow Akatsuki's physical katana to combat the Femto-Tech Armor protecting Cal-Re.A if Fukuda basically said: "Screw tech-lore accuracy, I want awesome battle scenes as if this was a Super Robot show!"
@@HAVOCprojects the FT was never been able to repel any physical formed beams like beam saber, which is why beam saber like flash edge boomerangs and Infinite justice's head beam saber could cut through the Femtech armor, similar to Akatsuki's Yata no Kagami. Akatsuki's shield was able to reflect the requiem, but was easily cut into two by Shinn using the arondight antiship sword in SEED Destiny during the operation fury. As for the cannon, Shinn damaged the FT armor first with boomerang before blasting it with the hyper beam cannon For the palma fiocina, Fukuda explained that the idea was Shinn jabbed/damaged the FT with the hand first before blasting the canon into it, not to mention that Destiny's joints and inner frame used the same material as phase shift armor. I'm also guessing that since Shinn hit them in point blank range, the heat from the generator melted the FT armor.
I found myself also slowing down Destiny's fights. Details and just new maneuvering was such a welcome, probably the most impressive performance out of the big 3 gundams. Wish we got more out of the infinite justice.
1 43 That was actually confirmed to be an animational error 2 40 Ds weapons, though powerful, aren't unique or high-level classified like Distruptor, dragoons and Justice series flight-packs. Thus it is required from the pilot to use them cleverly and inventively when fighting against other high-level mechs and pilots. Also, fan wiki states Rud-Ro blades are AMS (anti mobile suit) gear. 3 25 Thing about giving the enemy a window is you know where they'll come from. 6 09 Basicaly, he is moving at the speed of DC Flash and leving behind doubles 7 28 There has to be some more rational explanation.
I mean if Destiny spec 2 can make actually physical then I think its really super strong image if Shinn can makes 100 physical clones would have overwhelmed any opponent.
Well we no need to guess now since the creator at bandai twited out in tweeter that these duplicates are real, that the spec and shinn can now create these duplicates from different timeline to attack
@@arthur_pd I mean if it was like Shadow clone from Naruto I'll buy it but not something like different timelines to attack. I think Fukuda twitted something like this but he said it was up to someone.
Not related to Gundam but with these duplicates. You can see how Sun Wukong can destroy The Army of Heaven by himself as Wukong is his army by creating billions of clones.
to add more into the explantion, the only new thing in the destiny spec 2 is its new higher output nuclear engine for more lasting power for all destiny's hungry power weapons & wings of light. The destiny gundam in seed destiny is only held back by its older & (not enough power output) nuclear engine. If only chairman Durendel knew this about the destiny is so power hungry & just gave it a high output engine, he would already won the war for the destiny plan & the strike freedom/infinte justic would be fuxked as by design, as the destiny spec 2 new physical duplicants are already in the old destiny gundam Edit: also the new 360 monitor
I mean in seed destiny. Destiny already had the most advance generator at that time. Its not like they could just whip one out on the spot that was better than the Hyper Deuterion Engine. Plus it was Orb that gave Destiny spec 2 a new high output generator. Not sure why Wiki has spec 2 with the same engine since it was an upgrade.
Well, to be fair, due to Shinns unstable and conflicted state of mind and hearth at the time, the best he could do was what we saw in The Edge: Manga. See, the thing about Destiny is that it isn't as powerful mech as it is capable. Without a pilot who can fully focus and commit to it and the fight, the machine cannot achieve it's full power.
If the physical duplicate and Destiny spec 2 was able to split it existence are real it really does bother me because as much as seed freedom does a lot of crazy things it was still believable that it didn’t become like Gundam Unicorn Newtype magic right with this news I hope that it isn’t true I still want to believe that Destiny spec 2 Dupe particles allow it to make multiple duplicate and he was able to somewhat manipulate its movements maybe with quantum communication like how the dragoon’s are control the scene where it take down the three Rud-ro.A in full speed leaving its last afterimage of how it was defeated to one to another
Well...hate to disappoint you, the creator at bandai twited out in tweeter that these duplicates are real, that the spec 2 and shinn can now create these duplicates from different timeline to attack
@@arthur_pd Are they serious? As much as I want to believe it it’s still a crazy thing for Destiny Spec 2 to do that just because of a special particles that it had the information about the Dupe particles now are still mysterious as of right now compare to the Proud Defender that has information that does make it believable about the crazy things it could do
@@leehoongjun2144 well, the spec 2 duplicates and the proud defender tech comes from the same technology, which is Voiture Lumiere, which also tells us how mystery this tech is, same applies to Psycho Flame tech from U.C side
Lol no. The 1st type you are talking about is just the afterimages created by the voiture lumiere. The same with what the rudro has. The other type is the one made with dupe particles. Destiny cannot create physical clones lol. The destiny can just control the time lag and trajectory of the dupe particle clones. Before making the clone wave, shinn positioned all four so that he can hit them one after the other. The destiny just moved fast looking like they were hit at the same time. It can be read in the novel version.
The novel never mentioned that the clones weren't physical, the only thing it said was those clones were created by the dupe particles with no other explanations. Just wait for the explanations from officials before ruling out any possibilities
@@handa9233 but it never also said, not even once, that the clones did damage. It's common sense at that point. Not all meanings should be verbalized. Inferences and even context sometimes already explains things by itself. That's when reading comprehension takes into action. P.S. Gundam is a sci-fi anime. Not a fantasy. Creation from nothingness does not exist in science. Even Gundam 00 did not dare to do that.
@@TapuMacky and yet if I say that Gundam SEED will have coordinators that able to read minds and brain control to the point one could see a naked woman imagined by the other person due to genetic engineering 20 years ago I would have been called crazy, and look where we are now, people just accepted it because it is what happened. Your common knowledge and limited personal comprehension means less when you're not the one in charge of the world building, unfortunately the show doesn't refer to your personal knowledge, hence why I said just wait for the official statements. Or rather, I feel like the reason some people dismissed the possibility was because they haven't able to accept the idea that physical clones could exist in a world of sci-fi as part of a form of future technologies, and yet accepted a human-like moving giant robots fighting each other as war weapons, along with space ghost and magic, and now even a psychokinesis users. Even if you personally couldn't comprehend the idea that physical clones could exist as part of C.E's technologies, it's still way too early to label them off before official say something about it. 00? It went from armed interventions to a bipedal giant robot opening portal into quantum realm fighting metal aliens to reach understandings, and I haven't even touched Unicorn. Time travel in general feels like impossible and fantasy but with explanation from the author with the use of technology it could be considered as sci-fi, so why not physical clones? One way to interpret it is that Destiny's technologies distorted the time axis and called their variants with the help of DUPE particles, just like how Fukuda tried to interpret it. If you're talking about comprehension, you can even infer from observing the scenes that the flash edge boomerangs hit Griffin's Roa 4 times and a physical boomerang was seen still flying when the Destiny hit Roa with hyper long range beam cannon, still equiped with boomerangs. Of course, people who care less could just dismiss it as animation error, but then it wouldn't be a discussion to begin with if that was the approach. Your comprehension didn't came from observation and visible evidences, but general knowledges and premises, along with what you said as 'your' "common" sense(honestly, common sense in Gundam shows, not very convincing), because you already rejected the idea of physical clones being a part of sci-fi in the first place due to your comprehension that physical clones could only exist in fantasy as the basis for your arguments. Yes Gundam leaned very hard to the science parts, but just like Star Wars, some of it weren't without their own "force" and space magic/ghost at the same time. I'm not saying the clones were definitely physical or sci-fi, again, I was only saying that its way too soon to rule out the possibility and to just wait for official confirmation.
Well...hate to disappoint you, the creator at bandai twited out in tweeter that these duplicates are real, that the spec 2 and shinn can now create these duplicates from different timeline to attack
i honestly thought destiny finishing the black knight squad were just separate cuts of destiny going through them one by one. now knowing it’s actually dupes simultaneously fighting them makes it a lot more impressive
Even thought Shin had experience from fighting multiple enemies before, the fight with Strike Freedom at the last battle of SEED Destiny really helped Shin to fight many Kira level pilots, also, may be he had simulation fights with Kira many times during the time before the movie, that can really helped, too. Shin can really learn from his past experience.
Fun fact: the director actually said at 6:42 some duplicates are actually physical as well and shinn was controlling all those by himself (he just kinda said shinn abilities with destiny are able to made time skips and decide which moment he want to appear from)
I mean we can see that when the beam boomerang hit Griffin and using the beam cannon a second later that the two beam boomerangs are back on its shoulders but you see one fly off.
Good stuff. Can you do a breakdown of the battle of Strike Freedom Spec II?
all of the three boomerangs actually hit Griffin's Roa, the first one destroyed the beam mant generator, the second one damaged Roa's side of torso, and the third one decapitated the head/main camera. fourth if you include the fallen beam rifle.
also I just noticed that when Destiny performed the jet stream attack with Hilda, the duplicates didn't dissolved into thin air, but moving out of camera's sight independently while glowing yellow. considering the last scene, these duplicates probably merged with the other Destinies.
Actually, 1 of the boomerangs was an illusion Griffin dodged not knowing which is real. A single boomerang dealt 2 blows. Checked it on another reviewers channel
@@branislavanenadovic3171 it wasn't illusion the boomerang hit the right side of the beam mant generator and the slashed damaged part was seen, hence why the beam mant was turned off (even though it was somewhat turned on again before it exploded)
4:43 I thought Shin fired that red beam at random, but now when I looked closer, he actually fired it at the black knight coming that way, like Shin predicted the path of that black knight.
Upgraded Volture Lumiere, Mirage Colloid manipulation makes the illusion that those after images are solid but Shinn is just moving so fast and using the cloaking function of the mirage colloid,
A mighty Strike Freedom vs Cal. Rea fight breakdown as well as the 2v1 prior.
Actually for the final attack scene,I would explain it as Destiny was moving so fast,it cause the outer armour of Destiny shed off, similar to F91 MEPE system, the duplicate are just distracting while the true unit lands the blow, it just moving too fast
I can't help but think that Shinn went full Naruto during that segment, with him almost literally using the shadow clone technique (kage-bunshin no jutsu). Seeing of how far Destiny Spec-II's afterimages could be pushed just left me baffled. Unfortunately, this battle also shoved tech-lore accuracy to the curb as Shinn's beam weapons were suddenly able to go through Femto-Tech Armor (the hyper impulse cannon, the beam boomerangs, and the Shinning Fingah) - except for when Shinn pierced through one of the BKs with his anti-ship sword as the tip of the sword is physical.
That battle then ended up raising a question as to why Mighty SF even needed to borrow Akatsuki's physical katana to combat the Femto-Tech Armor protecting Cal-Re.A if Fukuda basically said: "Screw tech-lore accuracy, I want awesome battle scenes as if this was a Super Robot show!"
@@HAVOCprojects the FT was never been able to repel any physical formed beams like beam saber, which is why beam saber like flash edge boomerangs and Infinite justice's head beam saber could cut through the Femtech armor, similar to Akatsuki's Yata no Kagami. Akatsuki's shield was able to reflect the requiem, but was easily cut into two by Shinn using the arondight antiship sword in SEED Destiny during the operation fury.
As for the cannon, Shinn damaged the FT armor first with boomerang before blasting it with the hyper beam cannon
For the palma fiocina, Fukuda explained that the idea was Shinn jabbed/damaged the FT with the hand first before blasting the canon into it, not to mention that Destiny's joints and inner frame used the same material as phase shift armor. I'm also guessing that since Shinn hit them in point blank range, the heat from the generator melted the FT armor.
8:00 one of shinn boomarang also took down one of black knight rifle
Now that is why i said Destiny spec II 's speed made me freak after watched movie 😂
After watching this and if this is really true, Damn Shinn and Destiny Spec 2 is easily on Par with Gundam 00 Riser and maybe even 00 Quant.
I found myself also slowing down Destiny's fights. Details and just new maneuvering was such a welcome, probably the most impressive performance out of the big 3 gundams. Wish we got more out of the infinite justice.
1 43 That was actually confirmed to be an animational error
2 40 Ds weapons, though powerful, aren't unique or high-level classified like Distruptor, dragoons and Justice series flight-packs. Thus it is required from the pilot to use them cleverly and inventively when fighting against other high-level mechs and pilots. Also, fan wiki states Rud-Ro blades are AMS (anti mobile suit) gear.
3 25 Thing about giving the enemy a window is you know where they'll come from.
6 09 Basicaly, he is moving at the speed of DC Flash and leving behind doubles
7 28 There has to be some more rational explanation.
I mean if Destiny spec 2 can make actually physical then I think its really super strong image if Shinn can makes 100 physical clones would have overwhelmed any opponent.
Well we no need to guess now since the creator at bandai twited out in tweeter that these duplicates are real, that the spec and shinn can now create these duplicates from different timeline to attack
@@arthur_pd so what happens if those duplicates gets killed off does it affect Shinn or is it a double edge sword? When they did tweet this?
@@Nataku302 no idea what will happen, but the duplicate mostly only disappear like in the movie if finished using
@@arthur_pd I mean if it was like Shadow clone from Naruto I'll buy it but not something like different timelines to attack. I think Fukuda twitted something like this but he said it was up to someone.
Everything in Destiny is possible thanks to the author in general.. Period..
Wasn't that point obviously well known?
Not related to Gundam but with these duplicates. You can see how Sun Wukong can destroy The Army of Heaven by himself as Wukong is his army by creating billions of clones.
to add more into the explantion, the only new thing in the destiny spec 2 is its new higher output nuclear engine for more lasting power for all destiny's hungry power weapons & wings of light. The destiny gundam in seed destiny is only held back by its older & (not enough power output) nuclear engine. If only chairman Durendel knew this about the destiny is so power hungry & just gave it a high output engine, he would already won the war for the destiny plan & the strike freedom/infinte justic would be fuxked as by design, as the destiny spec 2 new physical duplicants are already in the old destiny gundam
Edit: also the new 360 monitor
Now let's add new 360 monitor inside Destiny Spec 2 too add more view for combat! such a powerful Gundam it has become!!!
No wonder phantom pain is desperate to capture stargazer and it's tech
I mean in seed destiny. Destiny already had the most advance generator at that time. Its not like they could just whip one out on the spot that was better than the Hyper Deuterion Engine. Plus it was Orb that gave Destiny spec 2 a new high output generator. Not sure why Wiki has spec 2 with the same engine since it was an upgrade.
@@Cerberus919 would be nice if Impulse spec 2 got the same treatment.
Well, to be fair, due to Shinns unstable and conflicted state of mind and hearth at the time, the best he could do was what we saw in The Edge: Manga.
See, the thing about Destiny is that it isn't as powerful mech as it is capable. Without a pilot who can fully focus and commit to it and the fight, the machine cannot achieve it's full power.
If the physical duplicate and Destiny spec 2 was able to split it existence are real it really does bother me because as much as seed freedom does a lot of crazy things it was still believable that it didn’t become like Gundam Unicorn Newtype magic right with this news I hope that it isn’t true I still want to believe that Destiny spec 2 Dupe particles allow it to make multiple duplicate and he was able to somewhat manipulate its movements maybe with quantum communication like how the dragoon’s are control the scene where it take down the three Rud-ro.A in full speed leaving its last afterimage of how it was defeated to one to another
Well...hate to disappoint you, the creator at bandai twited out in tweeter that these duplicates are real, that the spec 2 and shinn can now create these duplicates from different timeline to attack
@@arthur_pd Are they serious? As much as I want to believe it it’s still a crazy thing for Destiny Spec 2 to do that just because of a special particles that it had the information about the Dupe particles now are still mysterious as of right now compare to the Proud Defender that has information that does make it believable about the crazy things it could do
@@leehoongjun2144 well, the spec 2 duplicates and the proud defender tech comes from the same technology, which is Voiture Lumiere, which also tells us how mystery this tech is, same applies to Psycho Flame tech from U.C side
they still not corrected destiny's anti ship sword. should have followed impulse's design. and shin now doing god finger haha
Lol no. The 1st type you are talking about is just the afterimages created by the voiture lumiere. The same with what the rudro has. The other type is the one made with dupe particles. Destiny cannot create physical clones lol. The destiny can just control the time lag and trajectory of the dupe particle clones. Before making the clone wave, shinn positioned all four so that he can hit them one after the other. The destiny just moved fast looking like they were hit at the same time. It can be read in the novel version.
The novel never mentioned that the clones weren't physical, the only thing it said was those clones were created by the dupe particles with no other explanations. Just wait for the explanations from officials before ruling out any possibilities
@@handa9233 but it never also said, not even once, that the clones did damage. It's common sense at that point. Not all meanings should be verbalized. Inferences and even context sometimes already explains things by itself. That's when reading comprehension takes into action.
P.S. Gundam is a sci-fi anime. Not a fantasy. Creation from nothingness does not exist in science. Even Gundam 00 did not dare to do that.
@@TapuMacky and yet if I say that Gundam SEED will have coordinators that able to read minds and brain control to the point one could see a naked woman imagined by the other person due to genetic engineering 20 years ago I would have been called crazy, and look where we are now, people just accepted it because it is what happened. Your common knowledge and limited personal comprehension means less when you're not the one in charge of the world building, unfortunately the show doesn't refer to your personal knowledge, hence why I said just wait for the official statements.
Or rather, I feel like the reason some people dismissed the possibility was because they haven't able to accept the idea that physical clones could exist in a world of sci-fi as part of a form of future technologies, and yet accepted a human-like moving giant robots fighting each other as war weapons, along with space ghost and magic, and now even a psychokinesis users. Even if you personally couldn't comprehend the idea that physical clones could exist as part of C.E's technologies, it's still way too early to label them off before official say something about it. 00? It went from armed interventions to a bipedal giant robot opening portal into quantum realm fighting metal aliens to reach understandings, and I haven't even touched Unicorn. Time travel in general feels like impossible and fantasy but with explanation from the author with the use of technology it could be considered as sci-fi, so why not physical clones? One way to interpret it is that Destiny's technologies distorted the time axis and called their variants with the help of DUPE particles, just like how Fukuda tried to interpret it. If you're talking about comprehension, you can even infer from observing the scenes that the flash edge boomerangs hit Griffin's Roa 4 times and a physical boomerang was seen still flying when the Destiny hit Roa with hyper long range beam cannon, still equiped with boomerangs. Of course, people who care less could just dismiss it as animation error, but then it wouldn't be a discussion to begin with if that was the approach. Your comprehension didn't came from observation and visible evidences, but general knowledges and premises, along with what you said as 'your' "common" sense(honestly, common sense in Gundam shows, not very convincing), because you already rejected the idea of physical clones being a part of sci-fi in the first place due to your comprehension that physical clones could only exist in fantasy as the basis for your arguments.
Yes Gundam leaned very hard to the science parts, but just like Star Wars, some of it weren't without their own "force" and space magic/ghost at the same time. I'm not saying the clones were definitely physical or sci-fi, again, I was only saying that its way too soon to rule out the possibility and to just wait for official confirmation.
Well...hate to disappoint you, the creator at bandai twited out in tweeter that these duplicates are real, that the spec 2 and shinn can now create these duplicates from different timeline to attack
Inb4 Kira dies everything goes to shit and Shinn uses destiny to timeskip back to the beginning of the series