@@calllus9397 just because there is a greedy rich people, doesn’t mean there is no good one, there are so many good businessman out there that wanted to save the world, this bussinessman are trying to save the world through renewable energy, plus they also do philantrophies to poor people, the best alternative to capitalism is mixed economy
Came over from Reddit. I personally think that solarpunk would eliminate the need of capitalism, technically we don't need it now. Money as a concept is obsolete due to the fact we can grow literal tons of food en mass and conserve water a multitude of ways, we live in a post-scarcity world with a mindset that's still in post-feudalism. The start of this movement has only just begun, it may take us far as long as the message remains more important than the aesthetic. Good video, can't wait to see more.
Thank you for the feedback! I personally think that we'd have either have a slow transition away from capitalism or some intense event that causes it to be generally abandoned. I'm going to be exploring heavier topics like this in the future. :)
@@3p1Kf41L worker co ops (just like today’s factories but owned by the workers so all the decisions would be made by the workers and pay would be also be decided by the workers) community organisations, goods like phones and laptops could be produced by the community as well as any other things that can’t be produced by machine alone, these could then be distributed to all that need them and you could choose to make whatever you want that would contribute to the community, i am personally an anarcho communist and idk if i’m the best at explaining things so definitely do your own research, i personally like re educations series titled ‘anarcho communism- how does it work’ and con competes video series titled ‘ how would anarchism work in real life’ hope this helps :)
I love the overall positive vision of Solarpunk. I wish more media and videogames presented Solarpunk themes :) Some very few I can think of are Star Trek and Jacque Fresco's: Future by Design
In future videos, I'm going to be exploring different Solarpunk games, books and tv shows for people to be able to use for inspiration. My next review is going to be on the book Sunvault. :)
Star Trek is a Solarpunk future, but with some cyberpunk aesthetic, but yeah they are Solarpunk Future, i hope in the future all city are basically have tree and flower and more tree based carbon construction material
I definitely agree. But we would live in a post-scarcity society if everyone's needs were met though and that is not the case due to preventable austerity.
Thank you very much for this overview of the concept. Here in France we are not used (yet) to the creation of punks movements. In a year I will become a specialist consultant in energies, ecology and society transition and having such a bright future in mind is essential to succeed.
It absolutely is! Those are fantastic areas to be a specialist in, I hope you keep commenting here so I can keep hearing about how your work is going. :).
I'm genuinely interested in how this ethos could manifest without finding a renewable, sustainable, environmentally friendly way of mining cobalt, cadmium, and the other (often toxic) minerals needed to make things like solar panels, high energy-density batteries and other electronics. It's easy to overlook the impact of the industrial process when it's not in your own backyard. I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I don't think the aesthetic and philosophy can work while at the same time accepting a "necessary evil". I'd love to see it work, but this is the elephant in the room.
Thank you very much for this introduction! I hope that more artists will embrace the Solarpunk genre and bring exposure to the kind of world we COULD live in 😊🌳☀️
If you are closer to the camera, it becomes less obvious when you look at your notes. Or put your notes under the camera and it becomes a glance down instead of an unsettling off to the side glance.
I dreamed of a place that was solarpunk years ago. Only now seeing a name for it. When the sun goes down it can be cyberpunk still. I can accept both worlds.
Im giving this channel the Elo, just discovered this solar punk stuff, whilst trying to search for an obscure punk band for a whole hour, seems amazing
Solarpunk is beautiful. I don't want to read solarpunk fiction -- it would lack the cynicism and tension I like in my stories, the pessimistic air that makes the highs that much better. No, I want to *live* solarpunk. I want to wake up and be bored, to work four to eight hours on something useful and good -- even if it's slightly unpleasant, because hey, toilets need cleaning even in a utopia! -- and then go home and scare myself with horror stories about a world fraught with pollution and capitalism and endless, needless wars. I want to be bored. What I am right now is terrified, and depressed, and angry, and tired, and so very, very guilty.
There are actually a number of pieces of Solarpunk fiction books that include societies in transition or post apocalyptic situations where people are recovering. I completely feel the same way, and I'm so sorry that you feel so negatively. Please remember to be gentle with yourself and remember that we're all fighting towards a better future. It's heavy to feel like you're carrying that alone but please know that you aren't.
I love solarpunk. I wish more people would accept nuclear energy and incorporate it into the solarpunk vision for a sustainable future along with geothermal energy where it can be sustainably done (which is rare).
I really enjoyed the video and look forward to more solarpunk stuff in the future! Also, someone mentioned that lunarpunk is satanic and I just wanted to say that neopaganism isn't satanism. As far as I understand lunarpunk is all about bioluminescence and spiritual, tribal, and goth aesthetics. It's not really a movement like solarpunk is, as far as I understand. It seems to be harder to define.
I'm glad that you enjoyed it! Lunarpunk seems to be less developed than Solarpunk in terms of what is out there. Also don't worry about neopaganism being perceived as satanic here, I used to be a Norse Pagan and now just define myself as an animist.
I know it's strange, coming from my the kind of project I create, but I knew Solapunk a few months ago and I find it very, very interesting. Thanks for this channel!
Oh thank you so much! I'm just finishing revisions on my next script, which is going to be a book review of Sunvault! :D I also have a shoe remake I'm working on where I repaint it and a thrift haul.
Thank you for the kind words. :) I found out about Solarpunk in about 2019/2020 and just absolutely fell in love with it as soon as I found out about the concept!
It seems like it's missing the Angelic, Celestial and Divine Feminine / Divine Love / Christ-like energies which are most important, over Sci-Fi, though...Just a recommendation, if Solarpunk is open to that....Although, a lot the plant part of nature and plants hanging down are definitely a part of the Divine Feminine energy, plus certain sustainable ways of living, i think.... 💜
What are the concerns/specifics of why geothermal energy wouldn’t be considered? Geothermal cooling/heating especially makes a lot of sense in a sustainable future
I'd also include Callenbach's Ecotopia, Starhawk's The Fifth Sacred Thing/City of Hope, and K. S. Robinsons Pacific Edge. I guess that these aren't considered be Solarpunk because there before the name emerged.
Things can still be considered Solarpunk before the term was created! I've actually seen your recommendations listed in Solarpunk book lists before. :)
You know, there is a theoretical/experimental technology called nuclear fusion (not fission) which could yield a massive amount of energy and creates no pollution. If we could figure it out, electricity could be free for everyone and with very little ecological damage done in the process.
So is solarpunk a glorification of technological regression? For example, in such a future, could everyone own a computer that a person could use to do things like surf the internet or play video games?
Great Video! Awesome introduction to the scene overall. I really dig your style and I can tell this is something you are passionate about. I do however have a few critiques to hopefully bring your gamr up a little. 1. Try to maintain eye contact with the camera. I could tell you were either reading something off to the side or trying to remember your lines. That is to be expected if you are new at this! Just something to work on! 2. Try to be a little more animated when you talk, gestures and body language can really help you sell yourself as a spokesperson and someone to be listened to. Again just takes practice and you will get more comfortable in front of the Camera! 3. Keep at it! You are hitting a really nice niche and you are doing important work. It would be a ahame if this fell by the wayside! All told you have a new Sub and I will watch with interest! Have a lovely day!
I discovered this genre recently and I'm absolutely loving it, searching for everything I can consume from it. Heck, I'm almost getting my hands in architecture urbanism books as well. If this is a channel that will cover this genre mostly please try looking at latin america's approaches to the subject as well. I'm suspect to say, but I'd love to see some of the Brazilian authors pictured in! Lots of love! 💕🌱☀️🌱
@@TheSolarpunkScene Vertical gardens, for example. One interesting thing about Solarpunk is how it describes first-world tropical societies. These are not currently very common. Singapore would be a notable exception
The only problem I see is that your problem is not a real problem. Space travel is a useless thing to do. It only serves states or wealthy indyviduals to show off their power and position. In post industrial society, there is no need for striking egos of those who wrecked the planet.
@@sodalitia lmao that’s not what space travel is about. It’s about exploration, it’s about all the possibilities that exist on other worlds, and the life that may exist there
@@rockstarskolas Wrong. That's what you wish it was about. Currently space travel is about government jobs and lucrative contracts for a few aviation companies, satellite data and internet investments, government grant money and private hobbies of billionaires. No sign for to be about anything else. If you think you can decouple space travel from industrial society and make is work in solar punk society, you are delusional.
@@sodalitia if you make me choose between the two I’ll choose space travel every time lmao. Having said that, I remain convinced that the two may still coexist
Solarpunk would be perfect if we managed to decouple it from anarchists and socialists. I fail to see how such a society would even be possible with the mass starvation and pollution attributed with those groups.
@@FlauFly Anarchism and socialism's only ever achievement have been the killing of tens of millions and the rise to totalitarianism; these are fundamental problems that you cannot solve without making drastic changes to the point of it being unrecognizable. Capitalism at least gives people a chance at a stable life and produces more food than we'll ever need. That prosperity is the only thing that can fuel such massive projects, as well. Solarpunk as a whole is a movement fueled by people's desire for change. And who will be at the forefront and best poised to profit off building structures in the futuristic and Art Nouveau styles people want? Companies; not governments or rag tag groups of randoms as would be the case under socialism and anarchism respectfully.
@@the_katzy I'm pretty sure that anarchism didn't produce totalitarianism. I'm quite surprised that capitalism is defended on video about solarpunk. Solarpunk is pretty much antithetical to capitalism, which is represented by other literary genre - cyberpunk. And capitalism leads us right now to absurd inequalities and climate collapse. Solarpunk is against capitalism at its core.
@@FlauFly Anarchism didn't produce totalitarianism, but it eventually collapses into it. Unless people are willing to fall back into a standard of living comparable to the iron age, as all supply lines and production of complex goods collapse thanks to the destruction of any overreaching power, they will very quickly pivot towards totalitarianism as its leader would promise the reinstatement of modern society. If we did go down the route of an anarchist or socialist solarpunk world, you'd either have a decrepit city with what would be considered hypercapitalism as the lack of any state means that businesses will will run rampant, and if socialist, it would be a dystopian hellscape with a shiny paint of coat as people starve and get disappeared for pointing out that they are starving. Theoreticals are all well and good but when we've seen these things play out over and over again in our history, there isn't much of an argument to be made.
Interesting genre. What always amazes me is that people still can't drop the "punk" from the name, even though all these genres have f... all to do with actual punk. ;)
I like the idea. Everything looks very nice. But I see a few problems: 1. Society itself is a heat engine. The more people in one place the more emissions. Even if only breathing of people and livestock. The Roman Empire has risen global temperatures by 1 degree. 2. Cities are not sustainable by definition. You have to import at least food. But also other resources like steel, wood etc. Who is going to work in the mines and how will the machinery in the mines be operated? I assure you that nobody is going to work in a mine for the common good. They will have to be compensated fairly. But how I ask you? 3. Solar cells break down eventually, and so do batterys. So you have to replace them. Unfortunately there is only enough lithium on this earth to build 1 battery car for every person living right now. No replacements. Once they are all broken down, we are out of the resource. Even if this would not be the case: lithium extraction from lithium brine takes sulfuric acid. And Sulfuric acid is a byproduct of the oil and gas industry. One is not possible without the other. 4. The number of people on this planet is directly driven by the amount of oil and gas we are using. We are using a cheat in this game of nature. We cheated ourselves into this position by using extra energy. Preserved sunlight in the form of coal and oil. Once those are gone or we decide to stop using them, there is no way of supporting this amount of people. No way of delivering food to far away areas. No way to fertilize fields. No way to feed the population. Batteries just don´t have the energy density to drive a several ton heavy vehicle. 5. Maybe the most important factor is time. Even if none of the above were true or we could someday overcome the problem, we still have the problem of too little time. The Arctic is about to melt completely. That will plunge us into complete climate chaos. Unpredictable weather patterns and certain crop failure is upon us. We need to take drastic action NOW! Not dream about a Utopian future. I see the idea as possible but only if one thing happens: 90% of the population goes back to farm work and other physical labor to support the 10% of the smartest people to create progress. That would rise up humanity in a few centuries. But that is not what people feel like doing. Sadly it would be the only way to progress to a civilization type 1 scenario. What will happen instead is people going about they everyday business. Not seeing the trouble we are in. In fact, actively denying it. Until its very much too late. Once they will start to starve and have no water and shelter, they start moving. They will (or better: we all will) move towards regions that can still support life. People already living in those regions will not want to share since there wont be enough for them. And so on and so on until the last human is gone. With some Nazi shit in-between. You see, the real problem we are facing is us! Its egoism vs. altruism. And altruism looses in every simulation. Its because altruism doesn't have the range of options egoism has in the short run. It has more in the long run but as we are just animals that never evolved too look far into the future, we cannot perceive them and therefor harm each other and life itself in the process. Dont get me wrong. Heaving an optimistic option for the future is better then heaving non. Utopia is better then dystopia. But let me be blunt here: we have to get rid of the influence of old people. You know the saying: science advances with every grave? Boomers dont give a fuck about later generations. Its all on late stage millennial's and generation z. The rest will do nothing or will even actively work against us. They do not want to pay for their mistakes and they want to live their pitiful lives in comfort till the end. We have to take that comfort away from them. We can do something. Not because our future is in danger - our very present is!
Give me biopunk with genetic mutations diseases gas masks and tentacles I’d cybernetic limbs and hackers or the diesel fuel of the two world wars or the Art Deco movement or sandalpunk of green and Rome
Solarpunk is the movement we all need!
Absolutely!
Sadly there are greedy rich people who don't want that
@@calllus9397 just because there is a greedy rich people, doesn’t mean there is no good one, there are so many good businessman out there that wanted to save the world, this bussinessman are trying to save the world through renewable energy, plus they also do philantrophies to poor people, the best alternative to capitalism is mixed economy
@@calllus9397 One day we'll outnumber them ✊
@@calllus9397 oh they will find a way to co-opt and kill it with capitalism. Capitalism and populism are insidious viruses.
Came over from Reddit. I personally think that solarpunk would eliminate the need of capitalism, technically we don't need it now. Money as a concept is obsolete due to the fact we can grow literal tons of food en mass and conserve water a multitude of ways, we live in a post-scarcity world with a mindset that's still in post-feudalism. The start of this movement has only just begun, it may take us far as long as the message remains more important than the aesthetic. Good video, can't wait to see more.
Thank you for the feedback! I personally think that we'd have either have a slow transition away from capitalism or some intense event that causes it to be generally abandoned. I'm going to be exploring heavier topics like this in the future. :)
@@TheSolarpunkScene Sounds great, I'll be sure to hit the notification bell then!
@@apassmore9872 Awesome, thank you!
That's with food though, what about technology?
@@3p1Kf41L worker co ops (just like today’s factories but owned by the workers so all the decisions would be made by the workers and pay would be also be decided by the workers) community organisations, goods like phones and laptops could be produced by the community as well as any other things that can’t be produced by machine alone, these could then be distributed to all that need them and you could choose to make whatever you want that would contribute to the community, i am personally an anarcho communist and idk if i’m the best at explaining things so definitely do your own research, i personally like re educations series titled ‘anarcho communism- how does it work’ and con competes video series titled ‘ how would anarchism work in real life’ hope this helps :)
I love the overall positive vision of Solarpunk. I wish more media and videogames presented Solarpunk themes :) Some very few I can think of are Star Trek and Jacque Fresco's: Future by Design
In future videos, I'm going to be exploring different Solarpunk games, books and tv shows for people to be able to use for inspiration. My next review is going to be on the book Sunvault. :)
Star Trek is a Solarpunk future, but with some cyberpunk aesthetic, but yeah they are Solarpunk Future, i hope in the future all city are basically have tree and flower and more tree based carbon construction material
I'll create my own indie game that's set in solarpunk theme called Stella and Melody someday.
I definitely agree. But we would live in a post-scarcity society if everyone's needs were met though and that is not the case due to preventable austerity.
This movement needs to grow exponentially, coupled with Anarchism thinking, and Mutual Aid etc.
Thank you very much for this overview of the concept. Here in France we are not used (yet) to the creation of punks movements. In a year I will become a specialist consultant in energies, ecology and society transition and having such a bright future in mind is essential to succeed.
It absolutely is! Those are fantastic areas to be a specialist in, I hope you keep commenting here so I can keep hearing about how your work is going. :).
How is France not used to punk scenes? Do you ever go to the outskirts of Paris?
I'm genuinely interested in how this ethos could manifest without finding a renewable, sustainable, environmentally friendly way of mining cobalt, cadmium, and the other (often toxic) minerals needed to make things like solar panels, high energy-density batteries and other electronics.
It's easy to overlook the impact of the industrial process when it's not in your own backyard. I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I don't think the aesthetic and philosophy can work while at the same time accepting a "necessary evil". I'd love to see it work, but this is the elephant in the room.
Your strength, courage and drive to share this important and timely information is obvious and appreciated.
I'm all in for Solarpunk! Thanks for all the links! Keep up the good work with the channel.
Thank you and thanks for subscribing! I'm stoked to bring about more solarpunk content. :)
Thank you very much for this introduction! I hope that more artists will embrace the Solarpunk genre and bring exposure to the kind of world we COULD live in 😊🌳☀️
Thank you for watching! It would be incredible to see more work out there with Solarpunk
Can't wait to see more videos from you!
Thank you! I'm excited to get them out there. :) Have some neat things coming!
Also, I really love your outfit. There's something fantasy-esque about it, but is also grounded enough to be worn on a regular day
Thank you! That was the goal and I'm hoping to do a video on Solarpunk fashion soon. :)
If you are closer to the camera, it becomes less obvious when you look at your notes. Or put your notes under the camera and it becomes a glance down instead of an unsettling off to the side glance.
Wonderful video! Thank you for making this Lindsey!
Thank you Jason!
Solarpunk 2077 sounds like a good game!
I dreamed of a place that was solarpunk years ago. Only now seeing a name for it. When the sun goes down it can be cyberpunk still. I can accept both worlds.
Im giving this channel the Elo, just discovered this solar punk stuff, whilst trying to search for an obscure punk band for a whole hour, seems amazing
I'm glad that you stumbled upon it! Solarpunk is a fantastic thing to find, there's lots of cool stuff going on. :)
Wow thanks for this super clear video , i'm new to solarpunk and to any kind of -punk genres but i'm glad to be learning about it!!!
Thank you for watching! There's a lot of great content out there and I'm happy to be able to share it with you. :)
Solarpunk is beautiful. I don't want to read solarpunk fiction -- it would lack the cynicism and tension I like in my stories, the pessimistic air that makes the highs that much better.
No, I want to *live* solarpunk. I want to wake up and be bored, to work four to eight hours on something useful and good -- even if it's slightly unpleasant, because hey, toilets need cleaning even in a utopia! -- and then go home and scare myself with horror stories about a world fraught with pollution and capitalism and endless, needless wars.
I want to be bored. What I am right now is terrified, and depressed, and angry, and tired, and so very, very guilty.
There are actually a number of pieces of Solarpunk fiction books that include societies in transition or post apocalyptic situations where people are recovering.
I completely feel the same way, and I'm so sorry that you feel so negatively. Please remember to be gentle with yourself and remember that we're all fighting towards a better future. It's heavy to feel like you're carrying that alone but please know that you aren't.
I love solarpunk. I wish more people would accept nuclear energy and incorporate it into the solarpunk vision for a sustainable future along with geothermal energy where it can be sustainably done (which is rare).
hola tia! much love from Spain 🇪🇸! Yes let's make this world 🌎 possible! Amor!
Thanks for sharing!!
No problem 😊
I really enjoyed the video and look forward to more solarpunk stuff in the future! Also, someone mentioned that lunarpunk is satanic and I just wanted to say that neopaganism isn't satanism. As far as I understand lunarpunk is all about bioluminescence and spiritual, tribal, and goth aesthetics. It's not really a movement like solarpunk is, as far as I understand. It seems to be harder to define.
I'm glad that you enjoyed it! Lunarpunk seems to be less developed than Solarpunk in terms of what is out there.
Also don't worry about neopaganism being perceived as satanic here, I used to be a Norse Pagan and now just define myself as an animist.
I know it's strange, coming from my the kind of project I create, but I knew Solapunk a few months ago and I find it very, very interesting. Thanks for this channel!
Commenting for the algorythm because this is a great channel idea uwu
Oh thank you so much! I'm just finishing revisions on my next script, which is going to be a book review of Sunvault! :D I also have a shoe remake I'm working on where I repaint it and a thrift haul.
@@TheSolarpunkScene based
I'm loving all this. I had Dynotopia books growing up I think it is Solarpunk with dinosaurs-and we should do that! ✊🌈♥️
Great video and you are also beautiful! By the way, When did you started to found out and having an interest in the solarpunk movement?
Thank you for the kind words. :) I found out about Solarpunk in about 2019/2020 and just absolutely fell in love with it as soon as I found out about the concept!
Please talk about Ecosia they are a search engine that plants tress
I hear you! I use Ecosia myself, I'll see if I can include it in a future video.
Fantastic video and philosophy!
Thank you! I'm glad that you enjoyed it.
Good overview!
Thank you! 😁
Thank you JS! :)
It seems like it's missing the Angelic, Celestial and Divine Feminine / Divine Love / Christ-like energies which are most important, over Sci-Fi, though...Just a recommendation, if Solarpunk is open to that....Although, a lot the plant part of nature and plants hanging down are definitely a part of the Divine Feminine energy, plus certain sustainable ways of living, i think.... 💜
What are the concerns/specifics of why geothermal energy wouldn’t be considered? Geothermal cooling/heating especially makes a lot of sense in a sustainable future
Geothermal would definitely be considered! It's more about it being renewable and sustainable and if it makes sense in that setting.
I'd also include Callenbach's Ecotopia, Starhawk's The Fifth Sacred Thing/City of Hope, and K. S. Robinsons Pacific Edge.
I guess that these aren't considered be Solarpunk because there before the name emerged.
Things can still be considered Solarpunk before the term was created! I've actually seen your recommendations listed in Solarpunk book lists before. :)
@@TheSolarpunkScene I've also always wanted to read Ursula Le Guinn's Always Coming Home. It sounds like it could be too.
Nice
It's my favorite punk genre
And I know enough
I'm glad that it's your favourite!
@@TheSolarpunkScene as subgenre I like lunar punk
@@calllus9397 Personally I haven't looked too much into lunar punk. Care to elaborate on it? :)
@@TheSolarpunkScene solar punk without the art nevoe
@@calllus9397 I'm personally a big fan of the art nouveau aesthetic, but if that's what works for you then rad. :)
I like solarpunk now
It all started as a dream!
You know, there is a theoretical/experimental technology called nuclear fusion (not fission) which could yield a massive amount of energy and creates no pollution. If we could figure it out, electricity could be free for everyone and with very little ecological damage done in the process.
In warframe they kinda have this with the orokin
So is solarpunk a glorification of technological regression? For example, in such a future, could everyone own a computer that a person could use to do things like surf the internet or play video games?
Great Video! Awesome introduction to the scene overall.
I really dig your style and I can tell this is something you are passionate about.
I do however have a few critiques to hopefully bring your gamr up a little.
1. Try to maintain eye contact with the camera. I could tell you were either reading something off to the side or trying to remember your lines. That is to be expected if you are new at this! Just something to work on!
2. Try to be a little more animated when you talk, gestures and body language can really help you sell yourself as a spokesperson and someone to be listened to. Again just takes practice and you will get more comfortable in front of the Camera!
3. Keep at it! You are hitting a really nice niche and you are doing important work. It would be a ahame if this fell by the wayside!
All told you have a new Sub and I will watch with interest! Have a lovely day!
Thanks for the feedback, have a good one!
I needed this video and I didn't notice.
Oh I'm so glad!
I discovered this genre recently and I'm absolutely loving it, searching for everything I can consume from it. Heck, I'm almost getting my hands in architecture urbanism books as well. If this is a channel that will cover this genre mostly please try looking at latin america's approaches to the subject as well. I'm suspect to say, but I'd love to see some of the Brazilian authors pictured in!
Lots of love! 💕🌱☀️🌱
Im so glad that you're into the genre, and I'll definitely have to feature latin america's efforts in the future. :)
@@TheSolarpunkScene Vertical gardens, for example. One interesting thing about Solarpunk is how it describes first-world tropical societies. These are not currently very common. Singapore would be a notable exception
Im hoping for a solar punk future rather than a cyberpunk one
The only problem I can see with this is that none of the power sources mentioned here are very reliable for Space travel
Maybe I'll explore that in a future video, to see what the possibilities are in regards to powering space travel!
The only problem I see is that your problem is not a real problem. Space travel is a useless thing to do. It only serves states or wealthy indyviduals to show off their power and position. In post industrial society, there is no need for striking egos of those who wrecked the planet.
@@sodalitia lmao that’s not what space travel is about. It’s about exploration, it’s about all the possibilities that exist on other worlds, and the life that may exist there
@@rockstarskolas Wrong. That's what you wish it was about. Currently space travel is about government jobs and lucrative contracts for a few aviation companies, satellite data and internet investments, government grant money and private hobbies of billionaires. No sign for to be about anything else. If you think you can decouple space travel from industrial society and make is work in solar punk society, you are delusional.
@@sodalitia if you make me choose between the two I’ll choose space travel every time lmao. Having said that, I remain convinced that the two may still coexist
Solarpunk would be perfect if we managed to decouple it from anarchists and socialists. I fail to see how such a society would even be possible with the mass starvation and pollution attributed with those groups.
What do you mean? Anarchism and socialism are essential to provide some alternatives to capitalism, which is actually antithetical to solarpunk.
@@FlauFly Anarchism and socialism's only ever achievement have been the killing of tens of millions and the rise to totalitarianism; these are fundamental problems that you cannot solve without making drastic changes to the point of it being unrecognizable.
Capitalism at least gives people a chance at a stable life and produces more food than we'll ever need. That prosperity is the only thing that can fuel such massive projects, as well.
Solarpunk as a whole is a movement fueled by people's desire for change. And who will be at the forefront and best poised to profit off building structures in the futuristic and Art Nouveau styles people want?
Companies; not governments or rag tag groups of randoms as would be the case under socialism and anarchism respectfully.
@@the_katzy I'm pretty sure that anarchism didn't produce totalitarianism.
I'm quite surprised that capitalism is defended on video about solarpunk. Solarpunk is pretty much antithetical to capitalism, which is represented by other literary genre - cyberpunk. And capitalism leads us right now to absurd inequalities and climate collapse.
Solarpunk is against capitalism at its core.
@@FlauFly Anarchism didn't produce totalitarianism, but it eventually collapses into it. Unless people are willing to fall back into a standard of living comparable to the iron age, as all supply lines and production of complex goods collapse thanks to the destruction of any overreaching power, they will very quickly pivot towards totalitarianism as its leader would promise the reinstatement of modern society.
If we did go down the route of an anarchist or socialist solarpunk world, you'd either have a decrepit city with what would be considered hypercapitalism as the lack of any state means that businesses will will run rampant, and if socialist, it would be a dystopian hellscape with a shiny paint of coat as people starve and get disappeared for pointing out that they are starving.
Theoreticals are all well and good but when we've seen these things play out over and over again in our history, there isn't much of an argument to be made.
Solar punk, and Afrofuturism I like to see some examples
Cool, cool!
People can also check out Model Citizen for more solarpunk videos :)
Interesting genre. What always amazes me is that people still can't drop the "punk" from the name, even though all these genres have f... all to do with actual punk. ;)
I agree with everything except the "solarpunk fashion". I want to wear whatever i want regardless.
I like the idea. Everything looks very nice. But I see a few problems:
1. Society itself is a heat engine. The more people in one place the more emissions. Even if only breathing of people and livestock. The Roman Empire has risen global temperatures by 1 degree.
2. Cities are not sustainable by definition. You have to import at least food. But also other resources like steel, wood etc. Who is going to work in the mines and how will the machinery in the mines be operated? I assure you that nobody is going to work in a mine for the common good. They will have to be compensated fairly. But how I ask you?
3. Solar cells break down eventually, and so do batterys. So you have to replace them. Unfortunately there is only enough lithium on this earth to build 1 battery car for every person living right now. No replacements. Once they are all broken down, we are out of the resource. Even if this would not be the case: lithium extraction from lithium brine takes sulfuric acid. And Sulfuric acid is a byproduct of the oil and gas industry. One is not possible without the other.
4. The number of people on this planet is directly driven by the amount of oil and gas we are using. We are using a cheat in this game of nature. We cheated ourselves into this position by using extra energy. Preserved sunlight in the form of coal and oil. Once those are gone or we decide to stop using them, there is no way of supporting this amount of people. No way of delivering food to far away areas. No way to fertilize fields. No way to feed the population. Batteries just don´t have the energy density to drive a several ton heavy vehicle.
5. Maybe the most important factor is time. Even if none of the above were true or we could someday overcome the problem, we still have the problem of too little time. The Arctic is about to melt completely. That will plunge us into complete climate chaos. Unpredictable weather patterns and certain crop failure is upon us. We need to take drastic action NOW! Not dream about a Utopian future.
I see the idea as possible but only if one thing happens: 90% of the population goes back to farm work and other physical labor to support the 10% of the smartest people to create progress. That would rise up humanity in a few centuries. But that is not what people feel like doing. Sadly it would be the only way to progress to a civilization type 1 scenario.
What will happen instead is people going about they everyday business. Not seeing the trouble we are in. In fact, actively denying it. Until its very much too late. Once they will start to starve and have no water and shelter, they start moving. They will (or better: we all will) move towards regions that can still support life. People already living in those regions will not want to share since there wont be enough for them. And so on and so on until the last human is gone. With some Nazi shit in-between. You see, the real problem we are facing is us! Its egoism vs. altruism. And altruism looses in every simulation. Its because altruism doesn't have the range of options egoism has in the short run. It has more in the long run but as we are just animals that never evolved too look far into the future, we cannot perceive them and therefor harm each other and life itself in the process.
Dont get me wrong. Heaving an optimistic option for the future is better then heaving non. Utopia is better then dystopia. But let me be blunt here: we have to get rid of the influence of old people. You know the saying: science advances with every grave? Boomers dont give a fuck about later generations. Its all on late stage millennial's and generation z. The rest will do nothing or will even actively work against us. They do not want to pay for their mistakes and they want to live their pitiful lives in comfort till the end. We have to take that comfort away from them. We can do something. Not because our future is in danger - our very present is!
Give me biopunk with genetic mutations diseases gas masks and tentacles I’d cybernetic limbs and hackers or the diesel fuel of the two world wars or the Art Deco movement or sandalpunk of green and Rome
Turn solarpunk future into winner
cant make it in our lifetime
Don't do that. Don't give me hope
Hope is detrimental for the future, we need to not give up!