Really nice to see MVG comment on 8-Bit Guy's channel. This is just great. I also see Anders Enger Jensen in the comment area. All that is missing is LGR :P
You should go to a laboratory supply store, they should have 30% H2O2 and more in bigger jugs, it will be a lot cheaper then hair products, and as it is more concentrated, you need less of it, so a win win :) anyway I love your channel! Very much inspiring.
I've actually pictured how the conversation would go and I think the ladies at the salon probably got a big kick out of learning that their bleaching product also restores those ugly beige computer cases back to a nice off-white color. Then again, that's only if the ladies at the salon are old enough to know what these computer cases even looked like. If they are too young then they probably just go "ohhhhh ok" and think he's probably some weirdo. He probably told them what he uses it for when he went to buy it and they were like, "Oh honey you need to STOP doing this you're making your hair all fall out!" and then he tells them and they all have a laugh. Then there's an older lady in the chair getting her hair done and she overhears this and she knows what those ugly beige boxes look like and she gets it and maybe she's got a husband whose got an old Commodore 64 in the basement and she asks if maybe he can can restore that as a surprise for her husband and then you know I need to stop thinking about this and start my day already what am I doing with my life
Any 3M double sided tape should work really well. I use the stuff on lots of projects. I use the thick stuff, but for that I would get the clear thin stuff.
Informative and very well executed video, thanks for that! 2-component epoxy is worth trying, too. It forms a very tough bond, but requires 24h drying off and some screw clamps to add some pressure and therefore to finalize it properly in the end. With epoxy based adhesives, you can basically attach and fix anything outdoors as well as indoors. 7:10 To save some time, effort and energy why not just take out every key and wash them in a washing machine with other laundry in mild temperature? Collect all of the keyboard keys in a lingerie wash bag, for example, and voíla :) I use to wash everything in machine wash...
KoivuTheHab a lot of 3M tapes are considered permanent solutions, and are cleaner than any glue. There is a reason original manufacturers use double sided tape and not glue.
Never ceases to amaze me how much dirt these old computers gather over the years and how much of a difference really cleaning them actually does. Good job, again!
If you're ok with the mental gymnastics, just remember five ninths of (F minus 32), or of course an easier approximation is half of F-32 and add a tenth (thus, for the latter, to convert say 100F, gives 68 with the 32 off, half that is 34, add a tenth gives 37.4, vs. the correct answer which is 37.78; pretty close!). In the UK it's funny, the media and many people will tend to refer to F temps when it's hot ("Blimey, must be in the 90s today..."), but we switch to C when it's cold. :D
Typical room temperature is 70 degrees. 60 degrees is sort of chilly. 80 degrees is hot. 90 degrees is very hot. 100 degrees is hotter than my state (Maine) ever gets except on rare occasions. States in the South, and especially in the Southwest, routinely reach and exceed 100 degrees. 0 doesn't mean anything in Fahrenheit. 32 degrees is the freezing point of water. 100 doesn't mean anything either. 212 degrees is the boiling point of water.
@@MaximRecoil : the very defenition of 100°F is the body temperature of Mr Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit (1686-1736). He was a little bit off, but this was back in the 18th century. I'm just pointing out that you wrote "100F doesn't mean anything".
Regarding the keyboard feet: Stick with double-sided tape! You went with double-sided tape to reattach the TRS-80 Color Computer badge because that's what was originally used; makes sense here, too.
Rice Krizpy don't be so dramatic, it's an inconvenience for international viewers (read: everyone but americans) that he took away by a simple edit in the video. We thank him for taking the time to convert this for us!
When I did the keys on my Amiga 500 I used the clear 20 vol salon solution, one tbsp of oxyclean, and two "daylight" CFL lamps. Took two days in a jar with occasional shaking but a gallon was only $10 and living in Washington means sun is a premium most of the year. Always an inspiration to watch your videos!
Thank you VERY much for converting Fahrenheit to Celsius. It may seem like a stupid thing to mention but it's really important since us europeans don't really use Fahrenheit... Never. Thanks.
Ya know, a while back I was thinking "Why do people watch youtube videos of people cleaning their houses?" and then I realized what I was watching someone clean a computer...
Actually I watch this, because I want to do the same some day. I have few old keyboards, monitors and computer cases I want to retrobright. But I don't know where to find chemicals to do this, I don't seem to find these in shops. Maybe order via online shops, but I don't really know how expensive this gonna be....
It's difficult to find this H2O2 chemical in Middle Asia, where I'm located for the time being. Maybe I have to try to search it in Russia, which is nearby.
Looking great! I should have put you to work on my C128D when you visited Norway earlier... it really needs some retrobriting too. ^_^ (Nah, just kidding)
I really like that you are so meticulously telling and showing every moment of cleaning "here the box turned so; here the detail was put ..." =). Thanks so much for the video!
I restored a keyboard for an old Dell keyboard. I disassembled it and just popped the whole assembly in the dishwasher (minus the PCB obviously) with only the tiniest amount of soap made for fine china and a dash of baking soda. I used the silver were basket for the keys because it closed up and kept them from being flung out. The parts came out spotless with no damage at all. I've since used this method on other plastic only parts and had great success in cleaning parts with it.
Re the silicone: It looks like you placed the silicone in the centre of the feet. Would've been better on the edges of the feet, since there's the screw in the centre.
You are a true artisan in the craft of vintage computer restorations. As always, I enjoy watching you work with the detailed step-by-step breakdowns and attention to miniscule details. Splendid work.
Thank you David for taking the time to record and edit the restorations for us! I do quite enjoy them! My only mistake was watching while eating lunch and having to gag a little when seeing all the grime inside the keyboard! Haha
Well, here in germany it's not better... above 30° Celsius for about 3-4 weeks now. Tomorrows expected temp is 36°C in my area in west germany O.o btw thanks for the video, I really enjoy seeing those restorations :)
I clean my keyboard out once every 3 months and despite how careful I am it still impresses and disturbs me how much crap gets down to the protective tray.
riyuma1990ri riyuma1990ri That's nice. We all come to this channel to enjoy seeing the information it provides and you decide to be uncivil. Well done.
I saw that W being wrongfully placed immediately, and I thought to myself: "what kind of keyboard layout is that?" Haven't seen anything like it before. Could it be some Commodore weird layout? Hmm...
I really like your dedication to restoring old computers, especially Commodores. I was born after their heyday and enjoy learning about them. We have a similar saying about the weather in Michigan, except it's "wait 5 minutes."
I usually do a previous cleaning with the keyboard assembled. Put it under water, and using a brush and/or toothbrush clean it with Car shampoo (no salt, no corrosion). Then I disassemble the keyboard and complete the cleaning and proceed to dry the pieces. I stopped using window cleaner some years ago since I begun noticing it worsened the yellowing - water is the perfect medium for cleaning and (thanks to Retro Man Cave!) car shampoo is the perfect detergent. By the way - it was your video on the perfect DOS gaming computer that brought me back to retrocomputing - keep up the good work!
The US C128D (or C128DCR) has a metal case but a plastic front, explaining why the front is slightly yellow and the case itself is pretty much original color
For the keyboard keys, you might want to consider getting a small ultrasonic cleaner. I used it to remove mould release grease from my resin model kits, using some proper degreaser, I usually observe improvement in just a few minutes and will just need a light rinse and scrub afterwards.
He needs like 4 to 6 paving stones that fit in the container. Stack them into the container until you're just below the lip at the top with the parts in there. You're going to displace a lot of water, so it should work out the same, but now you're at the top of the container and the shadow cast by the sides is not as big of a deal.
My usual go-to product for reattaching rubber feet/mounts is contact cement, the kind used to repair the soles on shoes. It doesn't dry into a rigid substance, leaving a little bit of flexibility so that when you move the keyboard around on your desk, the natural movement of the rubber feet doesn't cause the contact cement to crack and break its bond. It also peels off easily when used on smooth surfaces AND, doesn't add thickness to the feet like double-sided foam tape will.
I love how you still use that AirPort router, even though it's 15 years old. Just goes to show how a lot of old technologies can still be used today and work just fine.
Doubt that would work. He's using sun light because there's a significant UV component to it. And it's surprising how many substances (including many transparent plastics) block UV.
Just a quick comment to say "Thank you!" for making these videos. The standard C128 was my 1st computer ever and the nostalgia is crazy when I watch your videos, I'd love to own one again... I regret ever selling my original C128 with drive, monitor, printer, 1200 baud modem, and a ton of software, though it did provide the funds needed to buy my 1st x86 based machine.
ha! Funny! But you made an assumption - that he also placed the F key where the W goes. Instead, he could have messed up even more keys instead of just switching those two :)
I've heard a variation of this saying everywhere I've ever been, and in every case, it's been accompanied with something like "we have a saying around here..." At this point, I'm thinking it's more like a global constant!
My first ever computer was a normal packard bell PC. And I'm in the UK. I never owned a spectrum, or an amiga or an amstrad and definitely not a Commodore... So why do I enjoy watching these restoration videos so much? This is great.
In my experience, the quickest (and most thorough) was of cleaning plastics prior to retrobrighting is to dismantle - and then put them in the dishwasher. The cutlery basket is perfect for small components like keys - but be sure to tie it shut or you'll be playing hunt the missing part in the dishwasher for ages afterward! I've done everything from old computers through to my Laserwriter 8500 in this manner. The printer being by far the largest parts that I've processed in this way. Also, that's a daily driver device - so if there was any problem with my process, I'd have spotted it in the printer right away!
thank you for including metric for temperatures. it's a small thing but goes a long way - since you live in the US and by default use imperial, i salute you for this, sir. : )
Oh thank the high heavens, he's back folks... HE'S BACK! David, you really deserved a vacation and I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping you and the family truly enjoyed it, but I'm sure I'm also not alone in saying that we just have to chain you to your desk so you never do it again! Welcome back! :)
I remember "repairing" my brother's C128D in the 80ies … It fell off my bike (had a little accident) and the disk drive was loose, dumping around internally. When I arrived at my friend's home, we opened it up and noticed that the board also broke off its mounts. As we didn't have proper parts to fix this mess, we used a lighter ans some way-too-big screws to melt the board back again - and two empty toilet rolls to press the floppy drive back in its place. My brother never noticed, anything had happened to his computer. And it ran without any problems for many years. Those things were built like a tank.
Great episode as always. If you're still looking for a solution to get the rubber feet to stick, some contact cement will work really well. Apply just a little on the feet and the key board, wait until both are at the tacky consistency of a sticky note, and then stick them together. After 24 hours they'll stick together like it was always meant to be. You can find contact cement at any major home improvement store such as Lowe's or Home Depot
@kamalindsey yeah, but I'm not gonna exit the app of TH-cam to go to the calculator to do that. I prefer to continue watching the video. And if the creator of the video shows the temperature in the more standardized Celsius I'm gonna be more happy due to the fact that I'll know the temperature. I'm not trying to imply anything.
I'm the Channel Data Systems guy that posted on your PET video, Part 1. I had a complete Commodore 128 system, including all the hardware and all the software that had been written for it. I ended up giving it to a guy who was starting a microcomputer museum. I believe he lived in Lompoc, CA at the time. It was brand new, in the original boxes.
I have some insight on the silicone. I do a lot of prop making, and work with a few different silicones regularly. Silicone will not chemically stick to anything but itself. The only way it can bond to anything else is mechanically. When you use that silicone to calk around a tub for example (one of its intended uses), it is gripping into the cracks around the tub. Because neither the rubber feet, nor the plastic are particularly porous, there is nothing to grip. All that being said, it was deeply satisfying to see that machine come to life :) I have a 128 on my shelf right now that i've been dying to get set up and working.
How wonderful your day becomes when you come home from a long day at school and find a notification for a new 8 bit guy video. Great to have you back and hope you enjoyed your vacation.
Holy hell 44 degrees celsius on the tarmac. Back here in Holland we're dieing from 30 degree days, and you just keep trucking on. Massive respect. I definitely recognise the vanishing of several hours when cleaning the keys. Had that happen on my c64. Cleaning away, and when I'm done, look out the window; Pitch black. Look over at the clock; Midnight. Haven't had dinner yet. What happened? :D Luckily I had a microwave meal in the fridge.
Abbreviated Reviews the reaction has more to do with heat than uv light. Personally, using the stove and a double boiler pot would be more efficient, but hey...
Save some peroxide by simply tilting the plastic container with a brick underneath one end. This will both reduced the amount of water needed = less peroxide and also works perfect for wedged shapes. Keep up the good work!
The gradient that the yellowing made was a very interesting pattern. I love these restoration vids. Never stop!
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Discovered your channel a week ago and I'm watching basically all restoration videos haha. It's so great to see things get nice again. I don't know if you like it, but I would also love to check old game consoles restoration. Tried to look for those on TH-cam and couldn't find a nice one like yours.
I've been watching these nonstop, and while the whole video always is awesome, the best part is almost always the intro. I get reminded of watching those really weird, goofy educational movies as a 90s school kid.
Nice work! You should get a concrete mixing tub for the peroxide soak. They're nice and shallow but have a large footprint (20"x28"x6" tall). Perfect for what you're doing!
seeing you struggle with that black box and the sunlight makes me cringe every time, just get another one and bust out the hacksaw to this one to make it lower!
@@MoundN Look, for a channel that has 900 000 subscribers, do you really think he has the time to read all the comments he receives !? And if you send him an email that's relevant to the topic, he will answer you.
@@MoundN Yeah, I've read your comment, so the only way you can contact him is via email. He uploaded more than 200 videos, do you think he have time to answer the thousands of comments.
Man, thanks for the great videos. One advice, if I may :) use a vacuum with a brush attachment, it is very effective with dirt under the keys. I even spray some cleaner afterwards and hit it with brush again. Super fast.
Omg, I remember that ghostbusters game so vividly. I would sit down at my brothers desk(he had the commodore 64) and play it for hours, thanks for bringing me back to the "good ole days"
Agreed, this isn't a restoration. No checking of the power supply, caps, or even adding heat sinks where needed. Call the video what it is, "Cleaning the Commodore 128D"
I totally agree, this type of psu is know to fail dramatically. Rifa filter cap will blow and the United Chemi-con SM caps should be replaced with new SMG's to be sure it will not fail. I've seen so much short out and take the motherboard with them... This video is just about external cleaning, not a proper restauration/overhaul.
I watched this video once about a week ago and looking at this comment I know you are referring to the part about the weather changing without even clicking the timestamp. Hello from Maine. :)
There's just something relaxing about watching a man spray down his computer with a hose in his driveway.
Dirty boy..
Dont forget the sox, sometimes up to his knees.. 😁
It puts the lotion on the keys or else it gets the hose again.
dude I thought I was crazy, it's like asmrish rite
Forcingmetouseafakename Remindsmeofmcrsoft "hello it support? Have you tried hosing it down?"
Don't think we missed that W key placement at 11:38!
Ha i knew it
Same
Whoops
Normally I miss stuff like this but I caught this first time. I wonder what that says about me...
i saw it too.. at first i was like "wait. is the keyboard on a c128 different?" and flash forward to see it change
i wasnt initially sure you really needed to retrobright the case, but i think it turned out very well. good stuff
Greetings MVG, how's things down under?
Really nice to see MVG comment on 8-Bit Guy's channel. This is just great.
I also see Anders Enger Jensen in the comment area. All that is missing is LGR :P
Retrobrighting is the best part!
I feel like he forgot to retrobright the keys.
I was never expecting you here!
You should go to a laboratory supply store, they should have 30% H2O2 and more in bigger jugs, it will be a lot cheaper then hair products, and as it is more concentrated, you need less of it, so a win win :) anyway I love your channel! Very much inspiring.
Shay Shay
I was thinking that too!
The thing about that though is he may need some kind of licence or permit to buy laboratory grade products, even H2O2.
*than
Home science tools
@@davidducey9071 a quick search online found you can buy 34% jugs on amazon, so no permit needed.
The people in the store must be like:
"why is this balding man buying 20l of Peroxide every month"?
Blonde pubes?
I've actually pictured how the conversation would go and I think the ladies at the salon probably got a big kick out of learning that their bleaching product also restores those ugly beige computer cases back to a nice off-white color. Then again, that's only if the ladies at the salon are old enough to know what these computer cases even looked like. If they are too young then they probably just go "ohhhhh ok" and think he's probably some weirdo. He probably told them what he uses it for when he went to buy it and they were like, "Oh honey you need to STOP doing this you're making your hair all fall out!" and then he tells them and they all have a laugh. Then there's an older lady in the chair getting her hair done and she overhears this and she knows what those ugly beige boxes look like and she gets it and maybe she's got a husband whose got an old Commodore 64 in the basement and she asks if maybe he can can restore that as a surprise for her husband and then
you know I need to stop thinking about this and start my day already what am I doing with my life
@@leomdk939 uh huh
"i'm youtuber with over million of sub" - should be sufficient.
I wonder if he tells them why.
I gotta tell you restoring keyboards is one of the most satisfying things on Earth.
I expected him to separate the circuit board from the black plastic piece. I suspect some crud got in between the two.
I know, the yellower the better it’s so satisfying seeing them turn bright white.
With black keyboard these days its no longer satisfying
That's a computer, not a keyboard.
No, it’s a keyboard. C128D has a separate keyboard, the computer is in the rectangular chassis
Any 3M double sided tape should work really well. I use the stuff on lots of projects. I use the thick stuff, but for that I would get the clear thin stuff.
SeanHodgins I was thinking the same thing. Using any adhesive will prevent you from taking the keyboard apart again. Tape should do the trick.
I believe the original stuff used for these pads is '3M 465 transfer tape'. You can get it on Amazon or mcmaster.com.
3M tissue tape seems to be the closest match, the 12mm size should be
ideal. There's plenty on ebay.
Informative and very well executed video, thanks for that!
2-component epoxy is worth trying, too. It forms a very tough bond, but requires 24h drying off and some screw clamps to add some pressure and therefore to finalize it properly in the end. With epoxy based adhesives, you can basically attach and fix anything outdoors as well as indoors.
7:10
To save some time, effort and energy why not just take out every key and wash them in a washing machine with other laundry in mild temperature? Collect all of the keyboard keys in a lingerie wash bag, for example, and voíla :) I use to wash everything in machine wash...
KoivuTheHab a lot of 3M tapes are considered permanent solutions, and are cleaner than any glue. There is a reason original manufacturers use double sided tape and not glue.
Never ceases to amaze me how much dirt these old computers gather over the years and how much of a difference really cleaning them actually does. Good job, again!
"HONEY" "What" "The neighbor is putting old computers in a bin full of water again"
Thank you so much for those temperature conversions! That's so extremely helpful if you're not familiar with °F other than "0 is cold, 100 is hot"
If you're ok with the mental gymnastics, just remember five ninths of (F minus 32), or of course an easier approximation is half of F-32 and add a tenth (thus, for the latter, to convert say 100F, gives 68 with the 32 off, half that is 34, add a tenth gives 37.4, vs. the correct answer which is 37.78; pretty close!).
In the UK it's funny, the media and many people will tend to refer to F temps when it's hot ("Blimey, must be in the 90s today..."), but we switch to C when it's cold. :D
Typical room temperature is 70 degrees. 60 degrees is sort of chilly. 80 degrees is hot. 90 degrees is very hot. 100 degrees is hotter than my state (Maine) ever gets except on rare occasions. States in the South, and especially in the Southwest, routinely reach and exceed 100 degrees.
0 doesn't mean anything in Fahrenheit. 32 degrees is the freezing point of water. 100 doesn't mean anything either. 212 degrees is the boiling point of water.
@@MaximRecoil 100F is your average body temperature
@@stianstave76 The average body temperature is 98.x degrees F, but, what does average body temperature have to do with anything I said?
@@MaximRecoil : the very defenition of 100°F is the body temperature of Mr Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit (1686-1736). He was a little bit off, but this was back in the 18th century.
I'm just pointing out that you wrote "100F doesn't mean anything".
Regarding the keyboard feet: Stick with double-sided tape! You went with double-sided tape to reattach the TRS-80 Color Computer badge because that's what was originally used; makes sense here, too.
Thanks for the temperatures in Celsius! 1:42
^This
If that's what concerns you in life.... IDK man.... Feelsbad.
Normal units yeah!
Rice Krizpy don't be so dramatic, it's an inconvenience for international viewers (read: everyone but americans) that he took away by a simple edit in the video. We thank him for taking the time to convert this for us!
I use both mostly C though
Man, I love restorations. The feeling of old computer back to its former glory is... well.. glorious!
When I did the keys on my Amiga 500 I used the clear 20 vol salon solution, one tbsp of oxyclean, and two "daylight" CFL lamps. Took two days in a jar with occasional shaking but a gallon was only $10 and living in Washington means sun is a premium most of the year. Always an inspiration to watch your videos!
Washington state? Cool. I'm from there too. Don't see a lot of TH-camrs from here
Thank you VERY much for converting Fahrenheit to Celsius. It may seem like a stupid thing to mention but it's really important since us europeans don't really use Fahrenheit... Never. Thanks.
As an American I feel your pain every time I watch a documentary or anything from the rest of the world I'm constantly using my unit converter.
AlexINF also Canadians everywhere thank you
__________ __________ ikr idk what stone is lmao
"... since us europeans [sic]"
Read: everyone on the planet that's not the USA.
Nice work, David!
Go to america
Ya know, a while back I was thinking "Why do people watch youtube videos of people cleaning their houses?" and then I realized what I was watching someone clean a computer...
Actually I watch this, because I want to do the same some day.
I have few old keyboards, monitors and computer cases I want to retrobright.
But I don't know where to find chemicals to do this, I don't seem to find these in shops. Maybe order via online shops, but I don't really know how expensive this gonna be....
Already done that. No success yet.
Especially with 40% ones, I've managed to find something close to 2 or 3% but that's not it.
It's difficult to find this H2O2 chemical in Middle Asia, where I'm located for the time being.
Maybe I have to try to search it in Russia, which is nearby.
There's videos of people cleaning their homes?
...I shouldn't be surprised though. They might be useful to watch.
I like cleaning as the end result is rewarding, well it is if you appreciate being clean etc.
Looking great! I should have put you to work on my C128D when you visited Norway earlier... it really needs some retrobriting too. ^_^
(Nah, just kidding)
Anders Enger Jensen hey, which songs of yours did David use in this video? They were really good!
Is there even enough sun rays over there for retrobriting :p
Moriarty Vivaldi it's actually really hot and sunny here now
MNCpoops Thanks :) Alpha Polaris - soundcloud.com/eox-studios/alpha-polaris :)
use sous vide method, very controlled
My favourite"The 8-Bit Guy" series! I love 'em!
I really like that you are so meticulously telling and showing every moment of cleaning "here the box turned so; here the detail was put ..." =).
Thanks so much for the video!
I restored a keyboard for an old Dell keyboard. I disassembled it and just popped the whole assembly in the dishwasher (minus the PCB obviously) with only the tiniest amount of soap made for fine china and a dash of baking soda. I used the silver were basket for the keys because it closed up and kept them from being flung out. The parts came out spotless with no damage at all. I've since used this method on other plastic only parts and had great success in cleaning parts with it.
Re the silicone: It looks like you placed the silicone in the centre of the feet. Would've been better on the edges of the feet, since there's the screw in the centre.
I was thinking the same thing.
Dude, watching your restoration projects is the best thing to do after a hard day at work. Keep it up! You are one of my favorite youtubers.
Beautiful work. Very satisfying. 👍🕹️
You are a true artisan in the craft of vintage computer restorations. As always, I enjoy watching you work with the detailed step-by-step breakdowns and attention to miniscule details. Splendid work.
Thank you David for taking the time to record and edit the restorations for us! I do quite enjoy them! My only mistake was watching while eating lunch and having to gag a little when seeing all the grime inside the keyboard! Haha
"It's so hot here, 30°C is just too much ! Oh great, a new video from David !"
*Sees the temperature in Texas, faints immediately*
François Bergmans yeah it's complete hell
anyone who lives in Canada in a nutshell
Well, here in germany it's not better... above 30° Celsius for about 3-4 weeks now.
Tomorrows expected temp is 36°C in my area in west germany O.o
btw thanks for the video, I really enjoy seeing those restorations :)
110° F / 42° C in Austin, mofos! ;/
Yeah in Toronto 33 c is as high it normally gets...
Oh shit he's back
????? For what?
Oshtwaddap?
Woohoo! He’s back folks!!
Jenney he was gone for a few episodes while on vacation
It's cuz he never went black
David: *Disgusted sound* "Looks like somebody was eating spaghetti over their keyboard."
Me, halfway through my ravioli: "Wack."
dont eat during this series of restorations...the computers are dirty!
I clean my keyboard out once every 3 months and despite how careful I am it still impresses and disturbs me how much crap gets down to the protective tray.
@@Spartan536 its time to clean it again
@@Danimations2015 Took care of that 2 nights ago, but thanks for the reminder!
@@Spartan536you should give it another clean now
I appreciate all you do for vintage computers. It is nice to see someone who takes care of them and repairs them.
In Colorado, our saying is " If you don't like the weather, wait 15 minutes it'll change". And usually it happens...
Welcome back! Very informative.
Indeed he is
SupaPixelGirl sadly you're back, ugh - go somewhere else
Why the hate riyuma?
riyuma1990ri, I dont wanna sound like a mother but thats not nice.
riyuma1990ri
riyuma1990ri That's nice. We all come to this channel to enjoy seeing the information it provides and you decide to be uncivil. Well done.
Who has their TH-cam prayers answered when the 8BitGuy uploads a new video
NotSoGoodGamer18 me
Me
No u
Also, “ASDW” ;)
LocalH I saw that too, lolz
I saw that W being wrongfully placed immediately, and I thought to myself: "what kind of keyboard layout is that?" Haven't seen anything like it before. Could it be some Commodore weird layout? Hmm...
Glad I wasn't seeing things.
Maybe David uses the W key more frequently and wanted to try it in a more convenient location. ;-)
I really like your dedication to restoring old computers, especially Commodores. I was born after their heyday and enjoy learning about them.
We have a similar saying about the weather in Michigan, except it's "wait 5 minutes."
I usually do a previous cleaning with the keyboard assembled. Put it under water, and using a brush and/or toothbrush clean it with Car shampoo (no salt, no corrosion). Then I disassemble the keyboard and complete the cleaning and proceed to dry the pieces. I stopped using window cleaner some years ago since I begun noticing it worsened the yellowing - water is the perfect medium for cleaning and (thanks to Retro Man Cave!) car shampoo is the perfect detergent. By the way - it was your video on the perfect DOS gaming computer that brought me back to retrocomputing - keep up the good work!
Excellent work! My first 8-bit computer was a Commodore 128 with a cassette player back in 1987! So many memories!
Greek Warrior same!
I remember my Commodore 64 took forever to load games from tape. Then I bought a 128D in 1987, having a disc drive sure made it better.
The US C128D (or C128DCR) has a metal case but a plastic front, explaining why the front is slightly yellow and the case itself is pretty much original color
Thank you so much for putting Celsius readings, now everyone knows what's going on. Greetings from Australia!
For the keyboard keys, you might want to consider getting a small ultrasonic cleaner. I used it to remove mould release grease from my resin model kits, using some proper degreaser, I usually observe improvement in just a few minutes and will just need a light rinse and scrub afterwards.
Thanks for the celsius conversion!
Same! But 46ºC is TOO HOT!!!
Now us Normal people can understand him
Canadians thank you
@@rudywhittington7772 define "normal"
@@referal6939
Anyone who uses a logical unit of measurements?
11:48 you had to move the W
Great video as always
Noticed it as well
I was wondering if anyone else had caught that. I've actually paused the video to come down and check the comments.
Ghat are you talkinw about?
same hahaha
ASDW what layaout is that?? :)
You have no idea how much I wanted to crawl through the screen, take a sawzall and cut that crate down in half. No more shadows!
I kept waiting for him to prop it up with a 2x4 or something.
He needs like 4 to 6 paving stones that fit in the container. Stack them into the container until you're just below the lip at the top with the parts in there. You're going to displace a lot of water, so it should work out the same, but now you're at the top of the container and the shadow cast by the sides is not as big of a deal.
Or a UV lamp. You do a TON of fussing and workarounds to use the sun. A simple 2 by 4 frame with a 3mil plastic liner would also to the trick.
This.
Completely agree. Shorter containers!
Excellent forensic analysis on the sun yellowing. My conclusion: it died from neglect.
PS - theme song always makes me happy in the feels. :D
Agree. Great song!
YO MUNNA I'M GONNA GET SOME DCCIDYLHVDJVFBKRHDKVYKBFUDGUOFHULGDDFYJDGYKEFYIYSEGHKGYIEFEUFEDJYWEFECK AND SOME S***
Me too!
My usual go-to product for reattaching rubber feet/mounts is contact cement, the kind used to repair the soles on shoes. It doesn't dry into a rigid substance, leaving a little bit of flexibility so that when you move the keyboard around on your desk, the natural movement of the rubber feet doesn't cause the contact cement to crack and break its bond. It also peels off easily when used on smooth surfaces AND, doesn't add thickness to the feet like double-sided foam tape will.
I watched this video while eating a Bacon King from Burger King a few years ago, and now I crave one every time I re-watch it
Actually, the expression is "if you don't like the Texas weather, just wait 5 minutes." 😉
Cre80s
Or, replace Texas with any state east of the Rocky Mountains...
Cre80s no that is western Washington!
This expression comes from around the world in any temperate climate, Scotland and Russia come to mind.
Yes, but the key to expression (and the humor) was the "five minutes" part.
Interestingly, we say that in Calgary too, but grew up in Winnipeg, and hadn't heard it there. Never heard of the next day variant either...
I love how you still use that AirPort router, even though it's 15 years old. Just goes to show how a lot of old technologies can still be used today and work just fine.
Yeah, he made a video about it too.
I just hope it supports the later WLAN encryption standards
Change the black box to a box without color so that the sun light may go inside the box from any angle
Doubt that would work. He's using sun light because there's a significant UV component to it. And it's surprising how many substances (including many transparent plastics) block UV.
Just a quick comment to say "Thank you!" for making these videos. The standard C128 was my 1st computer ever and the nostalgia is crazy when I watch your videos, I'd love to own one again... I regret ever selling my original C128 with drive, monitor, printer, 1200 baud modem, and a ton of software, though it did provide the funds needed to buy my 1st x86 based machine.
What a magnificent restoration!!! It took a long time, but the beautiful whiteness of the keyboard is dazzling! Well done David!
11:38
FoF, the "F" key is in the frong place, fas it a mistake? or fas it to test our attention?
It fas wunny anyfay.
A Z U L too many fs
ha! Funny! But you made an assumption - that he also placed the F key where the W goes. Instead, he could have messed up even more keys instead of just switching those two :)
Funny we have the same weather slogan in New England :)
Lon.TV i was about to comment the same thing until I saw your comment
Lon.TV
Replace "tomorrow" with "a few hours"
new England? more like USA.
"If you don`t like the weather just wait till tomorrow"
In Scotland we modify that to just wait 20 minutes XD
I've heard a variation of this saying everywhere I've ever been, and in every case, it's been accompanied with something like "we have a saying around here..." At this point, I'm thinking it's more like a global constant!
My first ever computer was a normal packard bell PC. And I'm in the UK. I never owned a spectrum, or an amiga or an amstrad and definitely not a Commodore... So why do I enjoy watching these restoration videos so much?
This is great.
In my experience, the quickest (and most thorough) was of cleaning plastics prior to retrobrighting is to dismantle - and then put them in the dishwasher. The cutlery basket is perfect for small components like keys - but be sure to tie it shut or you'll be playing hunt the missing part in the dishwasher for ages afterward!
I've done everything from old computers through to my Laserwriter 8500 in this manner. The printer being by far the largest parts that I've processed in this way. Also, that's a daily driver device - so if there was any problem with my process, I'd have spotted it in the printer right away!
thank you for including metric for temperatures. it's a small thing but goes a long way - since you live in the US and by default use imperial, i salute you for this, sir. : )
Most computer guys actually use a lot of metric temps, because CPU/GPU's are always measured in metric, so may be normal for David.
@@williambaldwin9346 in the 80s that didn’t matter
the reason your keyboard feet didn't stick is because you put the silicone in the middle where the screw holes were
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Oh thank the high heavens, he's back folks... HE'S BACK!
David, you really deserved a vacation and I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping you and the family truly enjoyed it, but I'm sure I'm also not alone in saying that we just have to chain you to your desk so you never do it again! Welcome back! :)
I remember "repairing" my brother's C128D in the 80ies …
It fell off my bike (had a little accident) and the disk drive was loose, dumping around internally. When I arrived at my friend's home, we opened it up and noticed that the board also broke off its mounts. As we didn't have proper parts to fix this mess, we used a lighter ans some way-too-big screws to melt the board back again - and two empty toilet rolls to press the floppy drive back in its place.
My brother never noticed, anything had happened to his computer. And it ran without any problems for many years. Those things were built like a tank.
Great episode as always. If you're still looking for a solution to get the rubber feet to stick, some contact cement will work really well. Apply just a little on the feet and the key board, wait until both are at the tacky consistency of a sticky note, and then stick them together. After 24 hours they'll stick together like it was always meant to be. You can find contact cement at any major home improvement store such as Lowe's or Home Depot
"Quick little video" > 14 Minutes
no my inner drauga1 fan loves very long videos
His vacation tan is so strong his teeth are getting whiter
EpicLPer I saw one of these things on eBay
I like them longer
Kawaii desu
3:31 that's a gif right there
re hash we need to make it one! Best gift ever!
go outside, get some air.
Just posted it to the community part of his FB page... 👍
#GIF_IS_JIFF
A Floyd ITS G-I-F! ITS AN ACRONYM, NOT A WORD
Thanks for the conversion to Celsius. I find °F quite confusing
Pol Marcet 32f = 0c and so on and so forth.
Cave Jhonson nope, it is: T(°F) = T(°C) × 1.8 + 32
Which is not something I want to do every time :)
@kamalindsey yeah, but I'm not gonna exit the app of TH-cam to go to the calculator to do that. I prefer to continue watching the video. And if the creator of the video shows the temperature in the more standardized Celsius I'm gonna be more happy due to the fact that I'll know the temperature. I'm not trying to imply anything.
@kamalindsey ok. Happy to clear that out.
I'm the Channel Data Systems guy that posted on your PET video, Part 1. I had a complete Commodore 128 system, including all the hardware and all the software that had been written for it. I ended up giving it to a guy who was starting a microcomputer museum. I believe he lived in Lompoc, CA at the time. It was brand new, in the original boxes.
I have some insight on the silicone. I do a lot of prop making, and work with a few different silicones regularly. Silicone will not chemically stick to anything but itself. The only way it can bond to anything else is mechanically. When you use that silicone to calk around a tub for example (one of its intended uses), it is gripping into the cracks around the tub.
Because neither the rubber feet, nor the plastic are particularly porous, there is nothing to grip.
All that being said, it was deeply satisfying to see that machine come to life :) I have a 128 on my shelf right now that i've been dying to get set up and working.
Silicone is not suitable for this task. Use double-sided adhesive tape. :) Best wishes from Russia!
Александр Карабиньош З
Privyet, Aleksandr! Greets from the USA
Jacob daemonspudguy Tice best regards from Russia! 🙂😉
Почему ты это говоришь?
Пожалуйста, ответь мне на английском, хотя
MCAlexis The TCF Fan est. 2020 Потому что у силикона нет адгезии к такому пластику.
Honestly, I would rather have more rain right now; I am hating this damned heat wave...
Anything over 85F is literal hell.
Come to Australia if you love heat!
@@NathanChisholm041 This aged badly
3M 9448 and corona treatment for the pads.
Dorf Schmidt 3m 4910. That's probably what was originally there.
How wonderful your day becomes when you come home from a long day at school and find a notification for a new 8 bit guy video. Great to have you back and hope you enjoyed your vacation.
Holy hell 44 degrees celsius on the tarmac. Back here in Holland we're dieing from 30 degree days, and you just keep trucking on. Massive respect. I definitely recognise the vanishing of several hours when cleaning the keys. Had that happen on my c64. Cleaning away, and when I'm done, look out the window; Pitch black. Look over at the clock; Midnight. Haven't had dinner yet. What happened? :D Luckily I had a microwave meal in the fridge.
At 11:42 that W button was placed on the wrong spot.
Its fixed in the next shot
I think you've gone over it before, but now that you have the sous vide, have you considered getting a UV light and retro brighting at your leisure?
Abbreviated Reviews the reaction has more to do with heat than uv light. Personally, using the stove and a double boiler pot would be more efficient, but hey...
I think the yellowing is caused by the UV aswell with the contact with oxygen and/or Ozone, thus even the bottom was yellowed.
the slight yellowing on the bottom is caused by the bromide leaching out of the plastic, not so much O3 or O2.
Jeffrey [Equine Sanctuary] As far as i´ve understood the O2 ,O3 UV "encourages" the Bromide to leach out.
Save some peroxide by simply tilting the plastic container with a brick underneath one end. This will both reduced the amount of water needed = less peroxide and also works perfect for wedged shapes. Keep up the good work!
The music while you were putting the keyboard back together was awesome!
5:29 says that he sets up a timer, but starts a stopwatch instead
MarkusTegelane it's still measuring time.
L I T E R A L L Y U N W A T C H A B L E
Yep, fake news...
Why not use double sided tape for the rubber feet, if that is what was previously used?
Probably because it took him a while to scrape that stuff off and silicon comes off cleaner, in case he needs to open it again.
I usually use double-sided tape to reattach rubber feet. Get the "permanent" kind. Works a treat!
Alex Quant good idea
This is the 8bit computer I always wanted more than any other, but I could never talk my parents into it. :)
Fourth Horseman should have started a paper route or lawn mowing business.
The gradient that the yellowing made was a very interesting pattern. I love these restoration vids. Never stop!
Discovered your channel a week ago and I'm watching basically all restoration videos haha. It's so great to see things get nice again. I don't know if you like it, but I would also love to check old game consoles restoration. Tried to look for those on TH-cam and couldn't find a nice one like yours.
11:38 that W key doesn't go there lmao
BitterliStudios magicly it's fixed!
I caught that too.
Heh I got a good laugh out of that. I kept running the old WASD through my head like “wait a sec that doesn’t make sense”
Why not just use double sided clear tape for the pads ?
Sunlight destroys plastic and fixes it. 😂
Yeah but using chemicals
I've been watching these nonstop, and while the whole video always is awesome, the best part is almost always the intro. I get reminded of watching those really weird, goofy educational movies as a 90s school kid.
Nice work! You should get a concrete mixing tub for the peroxide soak. They're nice and shallow but have a large footprint (20"x28"x6" tall). Perfect for what you're doing!
How I wish I had one !!!
Why not try the boiling method for the keys since you got that temperature doohickey a month ago.
seeing you struggle with that black box and the sunlight makes me cringe every time, just get another one and bust out the hacksaw to this one to make it lower!
I do all of my Retr0Brighting in clear tubs. That's why David could get the keys done in a few hours and the case parts took a few days..
Or a Dremel, he used one in some of his other videos
This song really fits this video especially at 10:04 when it comes on and the commentary over it, and then just full blast during reassembly
I like to keep old stuff and rarely buy new one. By watching this channel, I can learn to restore all old stuff I dont want to throw away
David, finally, you’re back!!!! I always liked you!
I have to ask. You must buy the peroxide regularly for these restorations. Has anyone at the store asked what you’re doing with it?
@@MoundN Look, for a channel that has 900 000 subscribers, do you really think he has the time to read all the comments he receives !?
And if you send him an email that's relevant to the topic, he will answer you.
@@MoundN Yeah, I've read your comment, so the only way you can contact him is via email. He uploaded more than 200 videos, do you think he have time to answer the thousands of comments.
This is why I subscribed
Man, thanks for the great videos. One advice, if I may :) use a vacuum with a brush attachment, it is very effective with dirt under the keys. I even spray some cleaner afterwards and hit it with brush again. Super fast.
Omg, I remember that ghostbusters game so vividly. I would sit down at my brothers desk(he had the commodore 64) and play it for hours, thanks for bringing me back to the "good ole days"
11:38 ASDW
Not meaning to be rude just pointing it out
Also noticed it lol
The 8-bit Guy Boss probably done this on purpose solely for our entertainment :D
It was a test, I think... :-D
What the! It's still nasty inside the CPU box.
Totally agree. If you're gonna obsess over the exterior so much, why not give the internals the same treatment?
Agreed, this isn't a restoration. No checking of the power supply, caps, or even adding heat sinks where needed. Call the video what it is, "Cleaning the Commodore 128D"
I totally agree, this type of psu is know to fail dramatically. Rifa filter cap will blow and the United Chemi-con SM caps should be replaced with new SMG's to be sure it will not fail. I've seen so much short out and take the motherboard with them... This video is just about external cleaning, not a proper restauration/overhaul.
6:28 New England: "Hold my drink"
I watched this video once about a week ago and looking at this comment I know you are referring to the part about the weather changing without even clicking the timestamp. Hello from Maine. :)
Your voice is so calming, i love watching the restauration videos before i fall asleep.
These restoration vids are just so satisfying! I hope you had a really great break, David.