How to build an authoritarian regime - and how to stop one | Timothy Snyder | Big Think

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    People are overwhelmed by new ideas brought upon by new technologies. Could new media-like the internet-ruin the world before rebuilding it?
    Get ready for a rocky century: there was 150 years after the book was invented before the Great Enlightenment.
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    TIMOTHY SNYDER:
    Timothy Snyder is the Levin Professor of History at Yale University and the author of On Tyranny, Black Earth, and Bloodlands. His work has received the literature award of the American Academy of Arts and Letters, the Hannah Arendt Prize, and the Leipzig Book Prize for European Understanding. He lives in New Haven, Connecticut.
    Snyder's most recent book is The Road to Unfreedom: Russia, Europe, America.
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    TRANSCRIPT:
    Timothy Snyder: It's normal that when a new medium comes along, a new communications technology comes along, that this is very disorienting to our own hardware. The same thing was true when the book came along. I mean the book, as compared to the manuscript, was a very powerful technology, and one could even say even in our 21st century world, where we claim that everything is so new and everything has transcended everything, where everything transcends everything every 15 minutes, the book is still a pretty powerful technology even when stacked up against all the things that it's stacked up against now.
    But think back to say the 16th century when the printing press is beginning to make hay, what happens is that people are overwhelmed by new ideas, specifically religious world views are challenged, and religions fracture, and people fight wars, and a third of the European population is killed. So we think about the book and we think "That's Enlightenment," but Enlightenment happens 150 years after the printing press, and in the meantime an awful lot of Europeans killing off a lot of other Europeans. So I like to take that as the starting point-that new media are going to be destabilizing.
    And so the assumption that the Internet was going to come along and just take a basically good world and make it faster and more connected and cleaner and so on-that was something that we should have been skeptical about from the very beginning. And now we're seeing why we should be skeptical about it.
    So does the Internet allow new things, or does the Internet create a channel for old things? I would say it's rather the latter. We know, because this is something that people have theorized about since the Enlightenment, that in order for there to be a democracy there has to be something between you and me and our fellow citizens, something between you and me and our leaders, which is: a factual world. We have to have this thing called the public sphere where you and I and our fellow citizens and our leaders agree that there are certain realities out there, and that from those realities we draw our own conclusions, our own evaluative conclusions about what would be better or worse, but we agree that the world is out there. And that it's important for you and I, as citizens, to formulate projects, but it's also important in moments of difficulty for you and I, as citizens, to resist our leaders. Because if we're going to resist our leaders we have to say, "On the basis of this set of facts, this is the state of affairs; it's intolerable; therefore we resist." If there are no facts we can't resist, it becomes impossible.
    So there are a couple of centuries of Democratic theory which make that argument in one form or another. That's an old argument. And what follows from that is that if you want to build an authoritarian regime you try to make that factual world less salient, you try to make the world less about the facts that are between you and me and more about the emotions that will either divide us or bring us together, it doesn't really matter which.
    Authoritarianism depends upon people getting used to hearing the things that they want to hear, and what it does is it takes that public sphere and dissolves it.
    It says, "There aren't really truths out there, there aren't really experts out there who can tell you those truths, it's really all about how you feel about the world." And that's true in old authoritarianism and in new authoritarianism.
    So Germans in the 1930s who were no less educated than we are, probably more educated than we are, more literate-they got themselves believing all kinds of things that they wanted to believe, and they believed in, ...
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ความคิดเห็น • 469

  • @chadatchison145
    @chadatchison145 5 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    All he is saying is, if you're going to tax corporations and people, then use some of that tax money for better education and truth in media so the public will be better informed to recognize and dismiss propaganda. Democracies can only work if the populous is well informed, the alternative is corporations will tell you how to think for their own benefit, or conspiracy minded people will get you to think how they want you to think for their own benefit.

    • @Maulstrum97
      @Maulstrum97 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Chad Atchison democracies only work with a population educated enough to believe they think for themselves but ignorant enough to not realize they don't.
      A democracy is simply mob rule and a mob well-clothed, and well-fed are no less a mob.

    • @greenanubis
      @greenanubis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Ok. That costs money. There is a point when people will say: "Enough with all this truth nonsense, i want cheaper healthcare." And even if MAXIMUM TRUTH gets achieved, people will dismiss it in a heartbeat for a version with more good feelz.

    • @jonathanmosher72
      @jonathanmosher72 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, there will always be conspiracy theories and alternatives to "reality"

    • @SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath
      @SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." -Winston Churchill

    • @nickblack7910
      @nickblack7910 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He is wrong

  • @e5krv7c6rpok68bt
    @e5krv7c6rpok68bt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    I bought the book and I failed to create a dictatorship in my local country!! WTF!!! I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!!!

    • @taihavard549
      @taihavard549 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Try harder. Put your back into it. Work will set you free.

    • @taihavard549
      @taihavard549 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @W B It was the slogan the Nazis had above the entrance to some of their concentration camps.

    • @kiddankula5480
      @kiddankula5480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You weren't reading 1984

    • @scorgonjon2k231
      @scorgonjon2k231 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It is good to see dictatorships fail and collapse.

    • @kiddkuru
      @kiddkuru ปีที่แล้ว

      Bidens doing it in mine rn

  • @alexugurie
    @alexugurie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Personally, I don't think we can expect any cooperation from big business or government: all we can do is create a movement of integrated local communities, but that should be sufficient as a powerful and irrepressible starting point.

    • @gregorybrian
      @gregorybrian 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can expect cooperation from government by running good candidates who can win and supporting them. Garbage in/Garbage Out.

    • @breakingboardrooms1778
      @breakingboardrooms1778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@gregorybrian that doesn't work. People vote for the people they know are more likely to win, and this reduces choice. What we need is for everyone to share the power of the state, but vastly restricted, so that we can all have the ability to legally defend ourselves.

    • @peoplearedumbnow3886
      @peoplearedumbnow3886 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I hate the idea of small local communities but it seems to be the only option at this point. Government is just far too corrupt.

    • @thyrassword9698
      @thyrassword9698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@peoplearedumbnow3886 Great name!
      My biggest gripe with the current population is Goldfish Memory Syndrome.

    • @helennethers9777
      @helennethers9777 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      3% is all that is needed for traction, 3% of the population started the revolutionary war against England. Note, places like Snopes say this is false. But realize that fact checkers are just opinions, as indicated in the court case vs Facebook 'Stossel v. Meta Platforms', where FB admits their fact checkers are just opinion writers

  • @SS-wi4tm
    @SS-wi4tm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    This is why apps like NextDoor are really important. We need to re-establish communities which can then help to re-establish local news. Not that an app will solve anything but it's an easy start.

    • @dlo111
      @dlo111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And Buy Nothing, give where you live and create the connections in a neighbourhood

    • @helennethers9777
      @helennethers9777 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      NextDoor and such apps were created to profile people and neighborhoods. While a good start, anything technological is recorded indefinitely at your local NSA data centers

    • @mral4381
      @mral4381 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Best way to build; "group think" aka "political correctness"....

    • @Davelpdx
      @Davelpdx 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If we are thinking NextDoor will save us then we are all doomed. This is the most censored APP I have ever seen. LOL!

  • @Aivottaja
    @Aivottaja 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This is happening in every country as we speak.

    • @gabrielflaubert5881
      @gabrielflaubert5881 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      By "democracy" championers themselves

    • @bensullivan194
      @bensullivan194 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I agreed I was normal person until Covid. Now I have a whole new bunch of labels. I also now believe that democracy is nothing but A mirage. Vote for the blue team or the red team but both of the teams are working for somebody else. No matter what team you vote for you seem to be ending up with WEF team

  • @fuckyougeorgebush
    @fuckyougeorgebush 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    How to build one: Convince people that if two or more of them agree to something they can make any wrong a right. Create a class of people that do anything they're told without considering whether it's right or wrong (police and military).
    How to stop one: Get rid of the people that do anything they're told without considering whether it's right or wrong (police and military).

    • @masonsmith9619
      @masonsmith9619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      So here’s a problem: states don’t exist in a vacuum, and human nature is inherently xenophobic and combative. Even if a society holds itself to a high moral standard, there is a need to defend the society from those who threaten the existence of that society

    • @mortenrobinson5421
      @mortenrobinson5421 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@masonsmith9619 exactly. It's all nice and good in theory to get rid of police and military. The thing is, if you don't have your own military and police, then you'll eventually have a foreign power's military and police occupying your lands.

    • @CompassionOverHate
      @CompassionOverHate ปีที่แล้ว

      So how would you get a secret services organization like CSIS disbanded then? Asking since they’re at the core of Canada turning into a totalitarian state. They’re pushing our country further and further towards a repeat of Nazi Germany.

    • @Michelley1025
      @Michelley1025 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      using this for my gov class ty

  • @magicalpizzafarts280
    @magicalpizzafarts280 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Did this guy SEROUSLY say that state sponsored local news outlets is the way to stop authoritarianism? THAT'S THE NEXT STEP! XD

    • @elizabethhenning778
      @elizabethhenning778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Publicly supported does not mean state-controlled. PBS and NPR are publicly supported and are the only local journalism in many places.

    • @lasha3688
      @lasha3688 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did you like not listen to him?

    • @SgtJackRose
      @SgtJackRose 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are you familiar with Sinclair media? There was a story they ran one time in which ever single news outlet read from the same script and it was complete misinformation. I am not concerned about the left trying to fuck with my brain, MAGA is one who wants me to not believe what I see with my own eyes. I have no fucking problem with democracy defending itself. You sound like a right winger who fears the “intellectuals” might confuse his brain with the facts he doesn’t want to believe. Although I could be wrong. It just seems to me people who are hostile to PBS just don’t like facts and don’t like other people hearing them.

  • @daughterofgodwarriorofchrist17
    @daughterofgodwarriorofchrist17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The only solution is to teach poeple how to discern truth for themselves or they will always be susceptible to lies.

    • @curiousfiend1169
      @curiousfiend1169 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yep, individual self autonomy, responsibility, and cognitive capacity.
      Learning how to truly use cognition rather than simply memorising accepted concepts.

    • @brianzayman2228
      @brianzayman2228 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      e.e. cummings: The less real something is, the more people want it.

    • @misterlyle.
      @misterlyle. 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jason Bonaparte Not always, but clearly to a significant degree for the present. We do make some progress as we move along.

    • @bronim7311
      @bronim7311 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well, one of the problems of truth is that it generally involves some uncomfortable and even painful soul searching. We've become very deconditioned when it comes to changing our own narratives and even beliefs. We've been literally drowning in our affluence. But I still agree with him. We have to step out of fantasy land and start recognising the things we are resistant to, because the longer we leave it, the worse it gets.

  • @payamsh5519
    @payamsh5519 5 ปีที่แล้ว +169

    These comments amaze me. Americans can even manage to make a video about authoritarian regimes all about themselves! This is not about republicans or democrats, people. Wanna take notes and reflect on your political dilemmas? Fine. But not everything is about you 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @josephniehaus9082
      @josephniehaus9082 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It shouldn't be surprising. Americans make up a significant proportion of TH-cam's viewers and the information being presented is highly relevant to their society. Hence, they want to discuss. Not a problem. I'd imagine Britons and Germans are doing the same to a lesser degree, and should be encouraged to do so.

    • @Evnfurtherbeyond
      @Evnfurtherbeyond 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The whole world belongs to America, and I wont let some pinko commie tell me otherwise

    • @nesano4735
      @nesano4735 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Lol, using sweeping generalizations like "Americans." It's funny how Euorpeans will take advantage of any opportunity to make petty jabs at America and have the self-unawareness to imply they're concieted.

    • @MrLZRS
      @MrLZRS 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      PayaM Sh Let's Talk about Sweden then, Yes.

    • @epicnooo
      @epicnooo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      god shut up loser

  • @faithinverity8523
    @faithinverity8523 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This guy always explains things perfectly.

  • @austinkelly5441
    @austinkelly5441 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    4:40 - spot on and a lot of people don’t realize this. Target marketing

    • @jojo-gy9pp
      @jojo-gy9pp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Think about those ads that Steve Bannon made that targeted one person. It appears to be a waste of money but not if you win the levers of power. Also, those Trump voters now are be constantly follow up targeted and locked in to having to support him to justify their previous switch from blue to red.

    • @JUStCALLMEZIMM
      @JUStCALLMEZIMM 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      True it was a tool for learning new things now we can't even have the thought process too do that.

    • @anthonymedina5186
      @anthonymedina5186 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Targeted individual

  • @corn9692
    @corn9692 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    4:07 - 5:10 Look at Facebook, Twitter, TH-cam, Google, ect. today. There is an algorithm to deliver what you need to hear/see, and more importantly to stop what you "don't need to hear/see". The worst part of this is it is an algorithm, so its not even an individual or a group necessarily. 1:52 - 3:28 Look at the last couple years specifically, Medicine, Race, Sexuality, War efforts, just to name a few. It doesn't matter what opinion you come to upon any of these individual points, the point is you draw an opinion, influenced to you by an algorithm. Then emotionally grouping with those who draw the same opinion, and rivaling those who differ.

  • @Pendagram
    @Pendagram 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This is one of thee most intellegent videos I've watched in a while. Great presentation!

  • @OneAdam12Adam
    @OneAdam12Adam ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great ideas we should have heeded a LONG time ago.

  • @Brett_S_420
    @Brett_S_420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    And then a Epoch Times ad comes up after this.
    🗽💨 🏌️‍♂️

  • @steveknight4291
    @steveknight4291 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Seeing this makes me think we are more stuffed than I thought we were...

    • @johnfarlio1830
      @johnfarlio1830 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Wow, one video is all it takes? Weak mind allowing it to be manipulated

    • @yousuck785why
      @yousuck785why 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnfarlio1830 why this?

    • @Himmyjewett
      @Himmyjewett 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnfarlio1830 ok snowflake

    • @thoughtgarden8090
      @thoughtgarden8090 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've been shouting this from the rooftops for years as did those before me. We are literally here now.

  • @reer3133
    @reer3133 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The bigger problem is that this is rather formative, in the sense that people are not just in a simple position of judging the rights and wrongs of arguments. Rather there is an overall ideological and media culture that goes on to 'nefariously format how to think' in the middle to long term. Thereafter the damage is done as such a manipulation becomes an internalized mental reflex from 'bad education' and reinforced by immediate and remote significant others.
    It is critically by cultivating a cultural and media environment valuing and creatively upholding a credible intellectual public debate that such a 'bad education' can be overcome. But then there are powerfully invested business, media and social stakes that work on the basis of a failing intellectually credible public debate, so that policy issues can then default to their positions and interests.
    Thus from the bigger perspective, it is an issue of grasping who benefits from failing and disrupted political engagement with public issues. The fact is more than just one party such influence runs across the parties, and it is thus very naive to think that such an issue can be resolved within the framework of the two party political system. Consider for instance the Trump tax cuts, even Trump was willing to raise the tax rate from the initial proposal. The question can be asked why will the opposition prefer to absolutely do nothing (not even bring up a bargaining chip like support or partial support in return for a higher threshold or say infrastructure project) in the name of a certain ineffective political purism. When such defaulting decisions add up in the final analysis the supposed confrontational politics turns out to be 'in effect a lure for fooling the mass of the people that they wield power' whereas across the years the real politics is being done by default for vested interests.

    • @helennethers9777
      @helennethers9777 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Correct. You can thank Project Mockingbird for infusing (and still today) spreading propaganda. There's a war for the mind and most are casualties.

  • @tedfitzpatrickyt
    @tedfitzpatrickyt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the broader the sources of news the better, especially news coverage about the US from foreign countries

  • @johnbuckner2828
    @johnbuckner2828 5 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    Schools should be teaching students how to identify and reject propaganda....every year so that they can keep pace combating new tactics. Unwitting slaves to Godwin's law and the bandwagon effect...and way too many logical fallacies out there. I wonder if there is a way to combat the bots that reinforce our biases and push to absurd extremes? Maybe like a spam filter to provide a diversity of perspectives.

    • @johnbuckner2828
      @johnbuckner2828 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yea, sadly, i agree with you.

    • @chadatchison145
      @chadatchison145 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      John Bucker You basically said how to combat the propaganda bots in your first statement, and that is through education, educating people how to recognize and reject propaganda.

    • @rchuso
      @rchuso 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In order to assist your statement above, I'd like to bring up how it is just like something, something, something, Adolf Hitler. Do I win?

    • @violet-trash
      @violet-trash 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Controlling what children perceive as propaganda? I got a bad feeling about this idea.

    • @johnbuckner2828
      @johnbuckner2828 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rchuso yes, you win, my character has been sufficiently attacked, thus ending the debate.

  • @raymondstrunk4770
    @raymondstrunk4770 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you remain vigilant about the negatives, the network remains a powerful tool. It's certainly not automatic for people to become conditioned to emotional response.

  • @joseluiz_carvalho
    @joseluiz_carvalho 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Please, put the subtitles. The transcription of the description only cover a half of the speaking!

  • @herbertomacotoyamamuro2553
    @herbertomacotoyamamuro2553 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Brilliant understanding of human behavior

  • @Metis462
    @Metis462 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What an amazing video! I really enjoyed it.

  • @kingdomofbird8174
    @kingdomofbird8174 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you!
    Now I can build a dictatorship
    Just wait i finish the school...

  • @LibsRockU
    @LibsRockU 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The major roadblock I see to this constructive potential is the reality of SOCIOPATHS who pursue power for its own sake & abuse it readily. These sociopath things gain power & money by disrupting constructive efforts.

  • @billc.4584
    @billc.4584 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Nice piece. I think that a big part of this is the FCC reinstating the equal time rule, at least for broadcast and cable.

    • @robinlillian9471
      @robinlillian9471 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True. Eliminating that FCC rule was the start of fake news in America. However, it will always be necessary to be vigilant against authoritarianism. The Left and Right both have authoritarian members. Often people who scream the loudest about justice want to force their version of "justice" on others by violence. An obvious example is vegans dreaming of the death sentence for meat eaters.

    • @suryanshshrivastava4681
      @suryanshshrivastava4681 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@robinlillian9471 I totally agree with you... we should be divided on Authoritarians and Libertarians... not left and right

  • @Ozrictentacles87
    @Ozrictentacles87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    pretty sure this is like every country in the world now

  • @misterlyle.
    @misterlyle. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Did Mr. Snyder suggest that the solution to avoid having authoritarian government grow around us is to implement state-run news media?

    • @oldishandwoke-ish1181
      @oldishandwoke-ish1181 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No, I think that's you.

    • @misterlyle.
      @misterlyle. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@oldishandwoke-ish1181 Starting at 7:05, Mr. Snyder begins describing his vision of a government implemented tax to generate funds that would support approved media sources that report approved facts. He didn't specify how those funds would be managed, but clearly a ministry of truth could handle it.

    • @oldishandwoke-ish1181
      @oldishandwoke-ish1181 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@misterlyle. Tax big companies to support local news is what I heard. You are obviously a Murdoch devotee who hears "Pol Pot" any time taxing the rich is mentioned....

  • @reinfeddedewolff5565
    @reinfeddedewolff5565 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank You Very Much
    For Your Indeep Analysis
    And Recommendations As Such.

  • @alexforget
    @alexforget 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What to do when the movie studios, the news establishment and the government are all walking in the same direction and treating the dissenting voices as witches?
    I think that is where we expect the big system to head toward a collapse, meanwhile we can build resilient smaller local things that will survive the crash and help rebuild.

  • @confusedwhale
    @confusedwhale 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Another thing that new is that ANYONE can say ANYTHING and get millions of people to listen.
    Be an influencer.
    Be a TH-cam star.
    You don't have to do anything worthwhile,
    Just be who you are.

    • @reggieangus5325
      @reggieangus5325 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      and thats whats destroying the internet and weaponized against us. Misinformation and conspiracy theories and plain false biased information being fed to us and our children. Before you needed to work years in journalism to be able to broadcast your story to hundreds of thousands of people, that was the gate keeper. Now anyone with a loud mouth can speak and spread all types of fake news. So dangerous for society as a whole. This is why alexjones has millions of followers

    • @Misaka-gt5yj
      @Misaka-gt5yj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@reggieangus5325 Nowadays people follow champagne socialists like HasanAbi or other socialist influencers on twitch who don't produce anything of worth and only complain about "muh capitalism" while getting rich on a capitalist platform. The hypocrisy is far more annoying than anything RusselBrand or AlexJones can come up with.

  • @verteron
    @verteron 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    THIS GUY IS GOLD. WE WANT MORE!!!

  • @twistedhumor4172
    @twistedhumor4172 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Bravo! this is exactly what's going on. I fell victim to this emotional name calling, pick a side, bullshit before the election. I had to stop watching the news and get off social media for the most part( obviously I'm on youtube ). The anger started to fade about 6 months in. I was tricked and manipulated as were most Americans. I am much more skeptical about what I hear. I hope I have learned from this experience.

    • @invanorm
      @invanorm 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Many are going through the same experience, me included. Lets hope sanity and healthy skepticism (to all claims and viewpoints) will prevail, and we ditch the cynicism and blind ideological obedience assaulting us from every angle.

  • @royhensley578
    @royhensley578 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It sounds like the thesis is an independent media is broken, and we need governmental spending and intervention to right the ship. Would that be a correct assessment of your position?

  • @presadisticlaw9717
    @presadisticlaw9717 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I disagree with the notion that the internet promotes old world-views over new ones. I see far more diversity of opinion on the internet than within the mainstream media. Also the internet is the one promoting the concept of independent research while the MSM is the one saying things like "it's illegal to read wikileaks".
    It is because the internet has the most diversity of view-point that old ideologies are kept alive. However that doesn't stop the internet from promoting new perspectives along side them. Next, this person appears to be very concerned about the voices of experts getting drowned out in the midst of independent thought.
    To this i would reiterate the point that the internet is the one incentivizing independent research. Before, only the experts pre-approved by the media and large corporations were given a platform. This didn't bode well during the Satanic Panic in the 80's nor was it good for the public during MCcarthyism in the 50's because the "experts" being brought on were not really experts but rather, they were sensationalists.
    Finally, while i agree that the internet is designed to put people into echo chambers, so is every other type of media. TV companies track ratings and modify their approach to give viewers more of what they want. The only difference is that TV has been corporatized. It no longer consists of independent commentators that act in the interest of the public.
    In short, the internet, like all other mediums for information will put you in an echo chamber. However, the internet is also the only one of these mediums that allow person to person communication and feedback. This helps the audience to reflect on whether or not the information is credible or consistent with the general narrative surrounding it.

  • @joem0088
    @joem0088 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Professor, yes you can classify governance as authoritarian v democracy. You can also classify nations by majority of population who feel their government is making their lives better or worst. In many big democracies, independent survey shows the majority believe their life will not be better in the next 5 years, where as in many authoritarian regimes, the majority of population believes that their lives will be better in the next 5y, just as it had been in the previous 5. You can call them declining v rising states or by any other names of you want.

    • @OneAdam12Adam
      @OneAdam12Adam ปีที่แล้ว

      That's laughable. The authoritarian regime survey is not anonymous. When your government is holding a gun to your head, of course you're going to say they believe it will be better. We all know what happens to the opponents of Putin, and the CCP. Death.

  • @matthewfurnari-omara2079
    @matthewfurnari-omara2079 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😍😍 my dude. Keep bringing the public sphere.

  • @subzero4790
    @subzero4790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please Do the How to build a Democracy

  • @StephanBuchin
    @StephanBuchin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    7:40 this is precisely how OAN viewers are thinking right now.

    • @janicechildress2952
      @janicechildress2952 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      OAN, just read the other day QOP! Republicans, America needs you. Wake up!💜

  • @Darmstadtiensis
    @Darmstadtiensis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very useful! Thanks!

  • @imorokr
    @imorokr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man, I love this guy!

  • @davidfjalor
    @davidfjalor 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best video I’ve ever seen on such topic.

    • @meaghan256
      @meaghan256 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out Nicholas Carr's talks if you like this one.

  • @nickblack7910
    @nickblack7910 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I dont get why people think democracies can't be athoritarian

    • @retroblue69696
      @retroblue69696 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Since covid they are more authoritarian then ever

    • @Aivottaja
      @Aivottaja 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      How non-authoritarian do you feel in your democracy right now?

    • @John-qv5ux
      @John-qv5ux หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Managed democracy isn't just a Helldivers meme, it's a real political ideology

    • @nickblack7910
      @nickblack7910 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Aivottaja Not North Korea level authoritarian but it's definitely there. And only getting worse.

  • @tomkelly8827
    @tomkelly8827 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was much better then I thought it would be. Just one word I want to edit in what you said. You said that THE GOVERNMENT needs to be supporting more local news and creating more local content. When the government creates the news you are moving towards an authoritarian regime.
    The more powerful the government is, the more likely it will be to turn authoritarian. Autocrats love to grab power.
    I think it is better to have many competing autocrats like business leaders. They can only be so horrible before an employee will leave and find a better job.They could also become their own autocrat if they work hard enough.

  • @MrRayne911
    @MrRayne911 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Of course it will be a god damn author that will so eloquently describe what I felt and thought for a couple of years now, but couldn't put the finger on. I just can't connect the words.
    I think I need to learn how to write... I hope there is time for that.

  • @antoinebguitar2869
    @antoinebguitar2869 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If I don't like local news is because they are drama queens, they put emphasis on worthless stuff, I would like them to be factual and would try to appeal to our intelligence rather then our emotions.

  • @robinlillian9471
    @robinlillian9471 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They thought television was going to make the world better and increase educational levels, too.

  • @gsilcoful
    @gsilcoful 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you.

  • @gregorszurnicki41
    @gregorszurnicki41 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Listening to this in 2020, I find that tech made many dumber n tech is censoring all opposing voices.

  • @johnclark707
    @johnclark707 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you implied state funded media we'd be worse off.

  • @Dayglodaydreams
    @Dayglodaydreams 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "New Media is going to be destabalizing". I was going to say something else, but then I realized that the social internet (TH-cam comments sections) want to divide us against each other so we can be more predictable consumers (and they can market to us and recommend content that doesn't offend us or rub us the wrong way more easily) and I'm not for this. Reacting against people will only make things worse and meaner here for everyone.

  • @lucaslevinsky8802
    @lucaslevinsky8802 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Than you now I can build my dictatorship (:

  • @curtiscarpenter9881
    @curtiscarpenter9881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    In retrospect to the internet I think social media needs more social responsibility like Facebook it's more background vetting, spam, fake news and red flagging for anti social language/content. We need Norton 360 but a lot much more like it.🎯

  • @GiPelagio
    @GiPelagio 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Came in good time for Brazil! #EleNão #NotHim!

  • @kaneaster4
    @kaneaster4 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Experts in areas feel about their truths too. Had no critique untill 3:22.

  • @subzero4790
    @subzero4790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just imagine if one company owned and controlled all books in the world. That's more our situation today.

  • @ericrobinson7184
    @ericrobinson7184 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Masterpiece!

  • @coreycox2345
    @coreycox2345 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    He is correct on local news. It should be calibrated to the correct degree of "local." When I first moved to Phoenix, there were several young men shot and killed in south and west Phoenix every day. Mostly young black and Hispanic young men shooting each other. After the paper shifted to a more specific local section, I could easily have believed that all of Phoenix was just like the Princess resort. It isn't.

  • @mzytryck
    @mzytryck 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great talk, but there's a big problem with what he said about addressing the problem by making news a public service.
    That's exactly what the BBC was meant to be in the UK (and why anyone who watches ANY tv channel is required to buy a licence which contributes to its funding, as a tax for a public service) but over the decades it's gotten seriously biased despite the efforts of many individuals within it to remain apolitical. The problem is that since a certain type of education is massively overrepresented in the people the BBC wants to hire, the view of the whole organisation gets slanted towards what that education teaches, and the people who've had it don't think they're taking a "political" position, just a sophisticated one.
    Then you end up with an organisation that (a) does not have the personal connection to real people that he talked about, (b) is resented by a substantial number of people who are forced to pay for something they don't watch and don't trust, (c) has more trouble acknowledging and addressing its own biases than a more openly political station would, and thus struggles to pull off the self-reflection that they would need to "reforest" their viewership, and (d) has little motive to do so anyway because they are not in danger of losing money unless people are willing to cancel their licences altogether (which only became a genuine threat very recently when the internet made it easier to live with no TV).
    The BBC had a good run, and enjoyed several decades when it was (deservedly) more trusted than many other news channels, but that just allowed it to coast on its reputation for so long that it now doesn't know how to reform itself into a genuinely neutral and trustworthy channel.

  • @rodfer5406
    @rodfer5406 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent

  • @MrSilkor
    @MrSilkor 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I totally agree with this! Oh... wait

  • @joanam3070
    @joanam3070 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interest take on local media. Google news had it's part on marginalize certain local media and this are the news we can check and the journalists we can talk to.

  • @Dayglodaydreams
    @Dayglodaydreams 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How is the simple act of taxing authoritarian? I think if someone misleads the public, they deserve to get a one time financial punishment. I don't understand "taxation is theft" or "taxation is authoritarian" I just don't. Then again, I'm an American Social Democrat (pro Social Democracy), so of course I don't.

    • @Dayglodaydreams
      @Dayglodaydreams 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I will concede that this is definitely a socialist move. I don't know if this will yield a stable economy. I know the economy was not necessarily patched up with regulations after the crash and sub-sequent recession.

  • @cazzi1929
    @cazzi1929 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    bloody amazing

  • @ricardoaugustovillabustama2206
    @ricardoaugustovillabustama2206 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I miss subtitles

  • @thechroniclegamer4285
    @thechroniclegamer4285 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m probably gonna be put on a list for being here
    But I need the information

  • @thelourdelovesyou
    @thelourdelovesyou 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you

  • @ERINDIGR
    @ERINDIGR 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you get John stossel to make a video

  • @stuartzamacona7890
    @stuartzamacona7890 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im still sonfused about how the free exchange of ideas limit peoples ability to rationally sift through media sources for relevancy or bias

  • @WormholeJim
    @WormholeJim 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating stuff, especially in light of these times of insecure cultural identities clashing for a meaningful origin story. But hardly new. Propaganda in all it's forms are the most readily application of this we know historically. Worth, then, taking note that it is exactly the authoritarian governments that uses propaganda with the most visceral impact and often with the objective of riling people up into an angry mob -literally, or metaphorically as in the case of 'russian trolls' being 99 of a hundred times merely someone having been convinced by pro-russian/anti-US(/pro-Trump) propaganda, and in fact *not* that fabled russian troll of which the phenomenon is named. - - - Also, on a side note: For some reason I'm wondering what kind of authoritarian rule Al Bundy from "married with children" might create if he stumbled into the chance. I don't know where this comes from..

  • @JohnChampagne
    @JohnChampagne 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is the basis of the claim that we internalize the cost of pollution? If that were true, we would not have a human-induced climate instability problem. (We would not have a rate of emission of fossil carbon that exceeds what most people think is acceptable. We don't even bother to find out what most people think an acceptable limit on the rate of emission of fossil carbon would be.)

  • @davidgiles9378
    @davidgiles9378 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    “If we like democracy, freedom, the rule of law...” some brilliant insights with possible solutions.
    He talked about the introduction of a new medium like the inet or printed book being a time of sorting out inherent problems associated with the technology. Just last weekend I happen to read about James 1st publishing a treatise on witchcraft, and wondered if that influenced the trials at Salem, and of course how a certain candidate demonized a certain female candidate in 2016. That demonization deflected his blatant moral deficiencies and scapegoated someone else to the point that his victim was said to run a sex ring in a pizza parlor, a story fantastical beyond alien conspiracies, yet people believed it and acted upon it. It’s an amazing time we live in, innovative technology that should be helpful instead being harnessed to encourage backsliding intellectually to propaganda vulnerability levels that must have existed in 1500 among some segments of the population. Is it just me or does anyone else find it strange that not even 100 years after nazi propaganda and McCarthyism, the concept of ‘what is factual’ is actually a required topic of popular discussion?

    • @Schmaj01
      @Schmaj01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      David Giles
      And the insane & horrible human being who was McCarthy’s lawyer was also Trump’s main mentor. I don’t think that’s just a coincidence either.

    • @eymed2023
      @eymed2023 ปีที่แล้ว

      Capitalism IS 1984. Has been all along.
      1984 is a perfect depiction of the USA, brainwashing everyone into thinking the Communists were the bad guys to justify Commiting genocide against them, as well as arresting, torturing and killing anyone suspected of being a Communist, down to making everyone afraid and hostile towards Communism to this day.
      McCarthyism and the Red Scare has completely distorted and altered history. Ask the majority of people who lived under Socialism and they will tell you what they think.
      Hell. Under Capitalism, we have devices spying on us 24/7. The very devices we used to communicate are Big Brother Capitalism watching us. Controlling what we think. To keep itself in power.
      Truly frightening.
      Communists ARE the ones rebelling against and exposing the system. Not trying to implant an authoritarian regime, but on the contrary, to dismantle one.
      We americans and brazilians already live in 1984. It IS our reality. We need to dismantle the system, folks. The system is not your friend.

  • @jeff669
    @jeff669 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He seems to skip that having state financially sponsored news, might put people in the same reality. But it's then state approved reality to receive funding... And does anyone currently trust the state?

    • @Aivottaja
      @Aivottaja 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If we're going to trust the state ever again, it's going to be a completely different kind of state. Either we do "The Great Reject" or suffer "The Great Reset".

  • @iamg07
    @iamg07 ปีที่แล้ว

    Spot on.

  • @Sewblon
    @Sewblon 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think that externalities, public goods, or unfair competitive advantages are really helpful ways to think about this. For the externality, it sounds like me knowing the facts should make me more likely to vote in ways that benefit others, but is it true? It could just make me better able to vote in ways that advance some narrow sectional interest or fringe ideology that I like. Investigative reporting is excludable, so not really a public good. What you call an unfair competitive advantage is really just a cost advantage. The right way to think about this is information asymmetry. Its not that there are not real journalists producing real news. Its that they can't credibly promise that their news is the real news and the fake news is the fake news. So the question here is: What can we do to allow consumers to distinguish real journalism from fake news? What can we do that will allow journalists to show their audience that they are credible sources of information?

  • @francesbernard2445
    @francesbernard2445 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Although the infrastructure has changed in the details the principles are the same. For example when it comes to supply and demand if 'powerful' technologies while the class structures in colonialism was like shifting sand only based on the superficial like to show or not to show more skin past the vitals or not or not in comfortable weather in the shade. When it comes to so called advanced technical expertise the same was true about knitting when knitting needles were too expensive to buy for most people unless you were royalty living in a castle. There were knitting guilds which were composed most of men because women at the time were less able to prevent thefts of the expensive to buy knitting. Until knitting machines were invented which the queen prevented at first from being invested in out of fear that unemployment would rise to high. Most people back then were not bragging about their new invention while trying to make everyone believe they invented it all on their own for some reason too unless they were braggarts wearing flashy emperors new clothes back then too. The problem is that there are too many people who are defining reality based on their own biases. Biases like believing that once someone ever shows any signs of an unexplained fever always a fever in them to fear as evil in only the one person instead of recognizing the guy next door who is predictable once you get to know him well with his personality disorder instead leading him to be often doing his favorite parlour tricks while saying to all those whom he believes as inferior often, "Don't you know who I am?"

  • @FraserMacDonald99
    @FraserMacDonald99 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope his thoughts are better organized in the book than in this vid. He comes across as credible because of his calm demeanor and purposeful pauses, but any salient arguments he might have get lost in a sea of intellectualizing, free association, and historical asides.

  • @normalcontent1415
    @normalcontent1415 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Big Brother just watched

  • @yeshaya24
    @yeshaya24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ummm 2020/21......

  • @aseriesoftriangleswecalltr6065
    @aseriesoftriangleswecalltr6065 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A lot of what Snyders says here is not wrong but simply trivial. An new Authoritarianism is not only a matter of the form of governance but also a matter of societal structures.

  • @bluebonic3497
    @bluebonic3497 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't love the externality comparison. Typically with externalities, there are two agents in an economic transaction, but other agents who did not participate are directly affected. Polluting a river directly subjects non-participant (non consenting) agents to that negative burden. People make a personal choice to consume media, they just have no idea if it is 'quality' or 'true' information. A more relevant economic analogy would seem to be food labeling or booze labeling. Were not gonna stop you from drinking piss booze, but you should know what you're consuming, and a society should do their best to provide that information. Likewise with information, society should try to grade sources by reliability, quality, bias, etc. The trick is doing that without falling into "Ministry of Truth" type black mirror situations.

  • @retroblue69696
    @retroblue69696 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    this aged like fine wine.

  • @gingerlori52
    @gingerlori52 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Be helpful if the point was stated pyramid style, in the beginning.

  • @mirogusic8572
    @mirogusic8572 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    im sorry to say but you cant overthrow a authoritarian regime unless you have support of the military or have foreign military help

  • @stevefromsaskatoon830
    @stevefromsaskatoon830 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Teach more civic courses in High School ?

  • @Erdogan-zi1ci
    @Erdogan-zi1ci 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of dangerous authoritarian regime is Sri Lanka former president mahinda rajapaksha’s regime it is famous as rajapaksa regime

  • @yunusemresahin6430
    @yunusemresahin6430 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Forget about the comments, just listen to this man. Everybody tries to pursue its agenda on the comments. Stay factual!

    • @guntherdoesaliltrolling5757
      @guntherdoesaliltrolling5757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's kinda a flawed logic tbh. Your basically telling people to 'only' listen to a singular source, which said source can or may not be entirely true.
      For a person to stay factual, one must gather information from multiple sources, then compare said sources with each-other to find aligning statments and weed out non-aligning ones, so that in the end a person can inevitably find the truth.

    • @yunusemresahin6430
      @yunusemresahin6430 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@guntherdoesaliltrolling5757 You are right.

    • @yunusemresahin6430
      @yunusemresahin6430 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Spartan 506 lol?

  • @emanonymous
    @emanonymous 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    how do you stop one? the simple answer is disobey and don't ever surrender your weapons

  • @cheetor1987
    @cheetor1987 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's not an option to control the internet because, that power to control information will be desired by the corrupt. People should be able to make up their minds by themselves without someone telling them what a fact is.
    I hope you have a good day.

    • @robinlillian9471
      @robinlillian9471 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can NOT make up your mind about a fact. Reality exists whether you want it to or not. Covid is not a hoax. You can die from it whether you believe in it or not. You are entitled to your own opinions, but a fact is a fact, whether you like it or not. Attempting to ignore or deny facts will only get you killed.

    • @cheetor1987
      @cheetor1987 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@robinlillian9471 I didn't say wether or not I believed covid was a hoax or not. I absolutely believe it to be real however, the severity of the sickness is way overblown. Yes it's dangerous; Yes people have died from it; yes we should take basic precautions to curtail it's spread; but shutting down everything; persecuting people who want to protest against the orders whilst complying with them; and calling any dissenting opinions an attempted murder of the elderly is as wrong as calling it an outright hoax.
      If you want me to say more on what I meant please let me know. Have a good day regardless.

  • @purityisastateofmind7439
    @purityisastateofmind7439 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh God we're doomed aren't we

  • @danyalullah5856
    @danyalullah5856 ปีที่แล้ว

    this part where you realise the far left and right are one in the same in the message there trying to send and methods they use

  • @helennethers9777
    @helennethers9777 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How to build an authoritarian regime - Censorship because lies need it for survival, use 'fact checkers' to control public perception, use the Authoritarian Tip Toe technique

  • @chrismurphy5160
    @chrismurphy5160 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the greatest examples of authoritarianism is Sweden - Sweden truly is an authoritarian country.

  • @AvangionQ
    @AvangionQ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Democracy requires a well-educated public ... sadly, we don't have that.
    People scatter into social media bubbles where alternative-facts rule.
    Fixing our problems now require populist solutions, focusing on what matters.
    Fixing our problems later requires investment in education and media literacy.

    • @AvangionQ
      @AvangionQ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Spartan 506 Do that and corporations rule.

  • @curtiscarpenter9881
    @curtiscarpenter9881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How much pollution does the internet cause?🌏And how can we secure our internet from sabotage?

  • @bensullivan194
    @bensullivan194 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best book I ever brought. Klaus Schwab A.k.a. Dr evil

  • @Tomer-Barak
    @Tomer-Barak 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's only part of the picture. We already passed that. Jordan Peterson (and Jung) teaches us that although there are many different ways to see the world, there are some narratives that are able to stick because they have higher truth value. The internet help reveal these truths thus will make a better world.

    • @Trozomuro
      @Trozomuro 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is a point i dont get, how do you know what narratives has higher value? How the heads talks, build arguments and so on?

  • @judsongaiden9878
    @judsongaiden9878 ปีที่แล้ว

    A republic is better than a democracy. Also, "us versus them" politics make sense when it's the oppressed versus the oppressor class.

  • @Amokra
    @Amokra 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am so glad I live in a Republic not a Democracy because these people are crazy this guy is talking about freedom and protecting facts yet then complains about people trying to speak their minds and act free.

  • @rodfer5406
    @rodfer5406 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👏👏👏👏