How does the AMD K6-2 500 perform against Pentium II?
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Ok, ok I'll try and improve on the music :D But that brings up a good question, what sort of music DO you like?
Hello Phils! Thanks for this video! You can choose a sort of music named "Synthwave" ;) it's cool for your type of video! During the video, I have dropped my balls.... ^^
PhilsComputerLab I enjoyed the music you chose! I'm 35 so I'm not some kid. It was easy to listen to and set a calm mood. Why did people have such an issue with it?
PhilsComputerLab free form jazz!!!
Why not music from the games being benchmarked?
Anything without lyrics so it's easier to concentrate on the video/benchmark stats. Unreal Tournament soundtrack comes to mid.
An additional video explaining the differences between the K6-2 /K6-2+ /K6-3 and K6-3+ would be a nice follow up. Good Video.
Awesome! Thank you for answering my question on that one Phil :)
Keep it up! Looking forward for more videos from you, don't stop!
Thank you for uploading videos Phil. I absolutely enjoy your nostalgic content :).
Thank you!
i felt like undressing to those benchmark graphs
Very nice Retro video! I started with a 466 Celeron but later built a rig consisting of a Abit KT7 A Raid motherboard and a 900 Mhz Athlon K7 Thunderbird CPU and a Voodoo 3 Graphics card then a Geforce 2 GTS a bit after. this was around sometime in 2000.
I really really like the pacing of this video.
It's just feels very comfortable to understand, but not to slow to get bored.
Especially the beginning was awesome, because you could visually see how the cpu's were used.
Thanks!
Wow, LGR, Nostalgia Nerd, 8BitGuy, and now you Phil, best saturday morning ever :D
Thank you!
Remember when the 8 Bit Guy was the iBook guy?
Wow the K62 500Mhz was the second PC I ever owned, it was a beast of a machine, with an AGP ATI Rage (32mb). First one was an IBM Aptiva (Cyrix 5x86 100Mhz). Another superb video, Phil.
Great video. Ordered a brand new K6-III+ two days back :-)
Oh my, oh my, oh my. Time to use my K6-2/550 and pair it with my Voodoo3 2000 and an Asus P5A-B Baby AT SS7 :D
Funnily enough I just found one of these in an old pile of computer bits. Don't even remember if I ever used it in a system. Interesting video!
I had one of these back in the day, served as a nice upgrade from a Cyrix MII-333. I used it on a regular Socket 7 board, though, needed to overclock the FSB a bit (66 -> 83) to get 500MHz by the 6x multiplier. For part of its lifespan, it had no 3D card, so it was all about software rendered Quake 2 with the 3dnow patch, but eventually I got a PCI Voodoo 3 2000 (since the motherboard didn't have an AGP slot).
Very informative, Sir, thank you.
Just have to say, you can see why the Celeron A was a very popular chip for us looking for the most bang per buck back then. I jumped ship from K6 to the Celeron A as soon as I saw the performance people were getting from the chip. The L2 cache on the motherboard is going to be holding the performance back quite a bit at this point. I am surprised @ 500 the K6 is pulling such a low number on Quake under DOS there though. I liked the music btw.
Yea the Celerons do indeed offer amazing value. I will test the K6-2+ and III+ at some point soon.
my first computer pc had a k6-500 mhz procressor :D , a good price/prower relaction. Nice video, saludos desde España.
The amd k6-2 is what my first proper computer had in it. The first one i actually owned all to myself. The thing seemed quite a beast at the time
Pentium MMX 233, my first cpu. AMD K6-2 500, my second cpu. awesome vid!
I know you have covered it before, but I'm surprised the K6-III+ wasn't in the benchmarks. Although, I suppose you might just be planning to make a video on it like this one in the future. :D
My first computer had a k6-2 500!! I still have it 😁
I would personally go with vocal free music next time, it seems to have riled people up. It isn't super pleasant to have lyrics in the background music because it makes it difficult to focus on the data being provided.
I would suggest picking a vocal free song and reusing it for your results sections, it could act as sort of a theme song for them.
That said, I appreciate that this is your channel, and you will do what you feel is best.
I like seeing how you've been playing around with your format, and there are bound to be hits and misses. Not that I think you will, but don't take complaints about the music personally, on the whole I've noticed a big jump in quality in the last couple months. Kudos for that.
I was also happy to see a sponsor there, and I appreciated that the plug was short.
That out of the way, I'm really surprised to see where the K6-2 sits, it feels like it should have scored better being at a higher frequency than any of the PII chips, but I guess that cache makes a big difference.
I wonder how it did against the celeron, it feels like they were going for the lower end market with the Super Socket 7 platform in general.
Thank you! I do my best, but sometimes I miss the mark :P
Ya, it just pulls you out of the video. Maybe play cool music from retro games during the benchmarks. Like Doom or Quake...etc. You might also look into what others are using for inspiration.
I use AMD since 1999 and my first processor of this brand was the K6-II 350MHz (with 100MHz of FSB).
It was the price of those Intel chips that sent me to trying the AMD K62 two 450. It was so nice ran Windows 98 second addition and the games really nice
Aways wondered what time you uploaded. (3:30 am here) Enjoy all your videos!
dwarf365 He's from Australia so it's different.
LOL thanks, I am well aware how time zones work. That's why I specified my local time.
I'm not sure where exactly but it should be 6:30pm to 8:30pm.
Great video!
You have to mention that the K6-2 costed like 1/3rd of a PII while it had 80% of the performance or so, that was the main reason to buy them back then.
I owned (and still own but not in use) a K6-2 350mhz, I had it overclocked to 400mhz at that time.
True, I don't try to be a history channel, more about what makes sense to use now if you want to build a retro gaming PC. Most parts are dirt cheap, so we can pick the good stuff that was out of reach back in the day.
AMD K7 (Athlon/Duron) video coming some time in the future?
K6-2 300 mghz owner, prior to that I had a 486, what a jump in performance, happy customer :)
Ah this was the processor (500mhz K2) in my first PC that I actually owned myself, exciting times!
nice video man :D
I started my pc using life with a 8088, then a 16mhz 386, 33mhz 486 upgraded to 66 then the overdrive 100mhz. The K6 233 was the first system I built then the k6-2 500 was second. Good times. I must have only been about 8 or 9 when I started using PC's... Makes me feel old.
i had a K6-II in the old days :D
I still have a 450 K6-2 that was my main PC in 1997-9 and later used for my father's office work. I later built a spare parts PC using a 500 K6-2 that I picked up cheap off Ebay, but it didn't feel much faster than the 450. AMD had a great run with the K6-2 but the results show they had pushed clock speeds as far as they could go with it.
wildbilltexas K6-2+ and III+ are still to come...
I've used a lot that processor in 2003/2004 I miss these days.
I had a K6-2 500MHz in a PC Partner MVP3BS7-954 motherboard based on the Apollo MVP3 chipset, which along with many other boards had the infamous Southbridge chipset that the SoundBlaster Live! card had major issues with. Other than that it was an excellent board and hardware combination, and performed very well with most software and hardware.
Lately I've been really interested in learning about the Super Socket 7 platform, and I would personally love to know how the K6-2/500 performs against the Celeron 500, which launched around the same time for the same price.
This brings back memories. My first PC was a K6-2-350Mhz, 32MB RAM, 4GB HDD and a ATI Mach 64 2MB GPU. But i can not remember what motherboard it had.
literally just purchased a k6 haha nice man!
Do you think the 3D now! Extensions would help boost the frame rate on Lego Creator from 1998?
There was also an AMD K6-III which was basically the same as a K6-II but with more cache(If I remember correctly they added an L3 cache) and slightly higher clockspeed.
Integrated L2 cache. The motherboard cache then became L3.
+Snetmot Nosrorb I Stand corrected. The difference was indeed an added 256K L2 cache, running at the same clocks speed as the processor core, which resulted in the cache on the motherboard to be used as L3 cache. the K6-2 only had L1 cache and the motherboard cache acted as L2 for that processor.
Anyway at the time I used to have an Cyrix M2 system that I upgraded to an M3. Later I switched to multiple K6-2 systems. Mainly because those systems where less then 1/3rd the cost of a pentium/pentium II system at the time.
as soon as i fix the burnt mosfet on my fic va-503+ im gonna test the same thing since the board is considered the fastest at memory. i wonder how well that helps this situation. against my p2 300 and 450. either way u cant go wrong adding ss7 to your collection. thanks phil for another great vid.
I got an AMD K6-2 back in late summer 1998. Since then, I've been all AMD. That system got me out of the computer saga that I had been in from late 1999 through summer of 1998. Before that, I had a Cyrix PR-200, and Explorer would often crash on Windows 98. It was hardly usable. We worked incessantly to try to fix it, but it was a no go. So, we ordered a pre-built, which had a K6-2 as a CPU plus 2x the RAM and much more HD space and a better graphics card.
Overall, back in the day, in terms of performance, the system was revolutionary compared to what I had before (Pentium 75 and the Cyrix PR-200).
Awesome video :] Although I'm confused about the Backstreet Boyz during the benchmarks :')
I owned a computer shop between 1997 and 2000. I sold a huge number of k6-2 and k6-6
Good video, music was off but hey, gota explore right? Thumbs up!
That's it, thanks :)
The fastest card I ever had in my k6/2 was a TNT2 Ultra, it did benefit a few games as a step-up from the 16MB TNT before it, but some games like Codename Eagle just crippled that cpu. I see the hardware T&L in that Quadro2 doesn't do much to give it an advantage, but I'm still curious what games became playable thanks to it :)
I still have my AMD k6-2 500 running at 550MHz, paired with a Voodoo2 /ATi Radeon 7200, SBLive!...runs pretty well, especially emulators with support Glide64 or Lewpy's Glide GPU plugin (PJ64, Epsxe)...oh the memories!
How does it fare under the best conditions, with both software and drivers making good use of 3DNow? Does it ever get close to P2 450 performance?
dat pin bended at 0:32 ouch
Back in the day the first PC I properly built for myself was a AMD K6-2 500 with an ATI Rage 128 Pro. It was never a great system but it did what I needed at that time running Windows 98SE. If I remember correctly I used a board with a VIA chipset which I was advised as being the best kind for that CPU line.
Do you regret buying the K6 when for a very similar price you could have gotten a celeron 300A and easily overclocked it to 450mhz
The first PC I ever bought had a K6 300, which I upgraded to a K6-2 500. Ahh the nostalgia.
Too late to this video but, Quake in particular used assembler code specifically for the Intel Pentium FPU instruction set, in particular the Pentium Pro, Pentium II is in fact an improved Pentium Pro.
And by the way, for business software where the FPU is not important the K6 core outperformed the PII clock for clock.
I remember those days well me and my kids built systems just like this they had K 6 2's or K 7's not sure which with voodoo 3.000 cards pci we had to buy cheaper stuff cause we were doing few systems at once and the pci voodoo cards were cheaper too but performed well
How about a video comparing dosbox gaming experience on typical modern PC to these oldboxes?
(I didn't mind your choice of music. I cannot say I liked it, but I tuned it out because I had to press play/stop button repeatedly to examine the graphs.)
0:33 Do I see a bent pin? I knew the pins aren't that easy to break!
How dows the pentium ii compare to the K6-III+? I'd say the stakes would be higher given both have the same FSB and L1 cache.
Have you tested the new AMD k6-2+ 570 mhz really sell on ebay ?
My K6-2 system keeps giving me blue screens and windows protection errors in any OS newer than Windows 3.11. Any suggestions?(I’m thinking it could be a ram issue, I only have 64MB)
I've finally gotten my GA 5AA working at 100%. And the issues with DirectX 7+ on my TNT2 Vanta *and* Voodoo2 SLI are bizarre.
Por favor que que tarjeta gráfica utilizas en esta prueba , gracias amigo
Between my old PII 450, K6II @ 550 Mhz and the K6III @ 500 the Pentium II was always quicker but the K6 III was quite speedy in comparison to the K6 II. I don't have any of those processors anymore.
I had a k62-500, it was an upgrade from a dx4-100, was a huge upgrade at that time.
I remember doing a K6-2 500 build back around 2000 2001 as I was a huge AMD fan and wanted to show up my buddy with his P3 did not go so well lol
Okay, again. So it's one of my favorites because I don't just have it now, I had it for a good while in '99 and on. And I still have the very same CPU because I never sold, scrapped or gave it away (like I did with my 8087. I still regret it.). I even like it better now than back then because I got faster and more stable motherboards for it.
3DNow instruction set is rather minimalistic but can be tremendously faster than the K6's non-pipelined x87 FPU.
(Update on 300A: At last the third one I tried seems to work fine at 450MHz.)
k6-2 can be clocked like mad ;] I was running one at huge overclock back in the days
I actually just recently de-lidded my k6 :D
Panzer! Iv me too :D actually K6 looks very similar to K7/Athlon when delidded :P
Can you delid an amd k6
i have one and I just wanna delid it for no reason
Thanks Phil, I have one socket 7 board with a K6-2 400 and it works well.
Getting a good Motherboard is really getting harder these days, and expensive
Agreed, I got mine many years ago when everyone was chasing 486 stuff.
I have a k6-II 450 and I am using the board for a P200MMX. I have an Am486 but I don't think I will be messing around with any other old AMD CPUS because of compatibility issues and I want to test old video cards. I am building a PIII 450 I am going to underclock to 300MHz and use as a testbed for ISA, PCI and early AGP video cards. The K6-II just seems superfluous to me.
Number of pins at 0:28 made me smile.
This video should have really been with the plus version k6! Edit now see the plus version video! 😂 Thanks!
I had a K6-2 500 like that 'till 2002...
do you have voodoo 5 5500.. do a video about it compare it with petuim 3!!!!
nice!
I had that cpu, and a voodoo 3 2000.
I had a K6-2 350 clocked at 400, and a Voodoo3 2000 overclocked to 3000 speed. It was fast, but then I got a K6-2 500. It was ridiculously fast for the price.
I have this CPU in a Socket-7 P/I-P55T2P4 Asus mobo designed to accomodate up to P233. Actually, it's a K6-2+ and through some tricks I've managed to make it run at full speed (6x83). It's blistering fast in 'productivity' applications but in gaming it's mixed bag, in most cases even a Pentium MMX @291 makes mincemeat of it.
Don't forget about the K6-3, which I've seen overclocked to over 600Mhz
I' ve also got the AMD K6-2! I sadly threw the motherboard away once
That 90's porn music at the beginning lol :P Something out of NCIX Tech Tips' old intro!
But, you know... this _is_ porn ;)
the bent pins on the am386 ;(
Overclocking?
Just finished setting up testbenches for a k6-2 266mhz vs Pentium 2 266mhz. It all seems a little redundant now...
It never is! It's about the journey.
Name of song pls :-)
I have read that Quake games don't run well on K6 CPUs because their engines can only use the FPU of a K6 on the rising front, while they can use the FPU of Intel CPUs on both the rising and descending fronts. So, how does the K6 compare with the Pentium 2, when running Unreal?
Eurgh. The music.
Everything else was top notch as always, though, Phil. My comment above was a total kneejerk reaction.
music was great lol best bit
Currently building a K6-3 450 machine which reaches 92fps in Plain DOS VGA QUAKE. Maybe this cpu would be a better comparison due to its cache.
Well, we knew the Pentium IIs were superior back then when I got my K6-2 400. But it was the AMD or staying with my P133. Intel was just to expensive for a pupil like me. Was great for Half Life and Shogo. Wasn't good enough anymore for serious sam. That's when I got my Duron Spitfire 750 and a Irongate mainbpoard. Good times! :-)
This.
~300 DM versus ~1500 DM for a frigging CPU was quite a difference, especially if you waited a bit and got the same CPU for 120 DM half a year later at the Hobbytronic in Dortmund. ;)
For the uninitiated, the Hobbytronic was an annual computer fair here in Germany until 2008 when they closed their doors for the last time.
While the P2 were insanely expensive wouldn't a celeron 300A and a 440BX board have been a better deal than any K6, the 300A performs almost identically to a P2 300, which would still dominate a 400mhz K6, and could easily be overclocked to 450mhz by setting the FSB to 100mhz in many cases without even bumping the voltage.
Except they came along later. The K6-2 and iii basically pushed intel to make theose Celeron's else they would have lost the budget and mid range to AMD.
The 366mhz and faster K6's (Chomper Extended core) didn't come around until November of 1998 and the Celeron 300A had already been released in August, and the Covington cores with no L2 had already been release in early 1998, from what I can tell an overclocked Covington was pretty competitive to a higher clocked K6
I do not have access to my old magazines with price lists right now, but I think overall system cost was still higher with Intel. Buying that AMD machine took almos my year's salary for delivering newspapers. ^^ Even budget machines were expensive. You could buy those Celerons pre-selected for overclocking and pay a nice bonus for that, or you could buy the bad ones (unselected - yeah, right) for the normal price. To risky for me then. But I bet someone who was a little older than me, willing to take a risk and being more experienced with OC could have built a nice Celeron system back then.
You can overclock the k2-500 to 550 - and If i remember correct use 133 memory. (SOYO motherboard)
Those Soyo Dragon boards were awesome. I really liked Abit and Shuttle as well.
I don't know if it was the Motherboard that I had but my k6-2 machine was terrible, but it did run Q2 pretty well.
There was also a well known special AMD K6-2 patch which enabled 3DNOW enhancements for Quake 2 and boosted the performance of that game so that it was on par with Intel's high end Pentium II processor.
web.archive.org/web/20001210093700/www.amd.com:80/products/cpg/k623d/quake/download.htm
Can I overclock my K6-2 400MHz to 450 MHz or maybe even 500 MHz by using the jumpers on my motherboard? I mean if I just set it from 4× multiplier to 4.5× or 5× multiplier.
Yes that's how it works. It might not handle the overclock, but that's another story.
It looks like it also has a jumper for a 112 MHz bus clock. For which CPUs is that?
Overclocking. Stick with 100 MHz.
great
Funny how computers were absolute garbage at running DOOM until the Pentium MMX/K6 machines came out many years later.
In 1993 almost no one had an expensive 486DX, wich was the bare minimum to be able to play the game at something mostly lower than 30fps. Also VESA-ready motherboards were still quite a novelty back then.
nah, doom ran okay on 486 dx66 and up. my 486dx4 100 certainly didn't have any trouble with it in 1994.
before that, i played the shareware to death on my grandmother's dx2 66.
While definitely slower than the Intel counterparts it was definitely nice to have the competition. If AMD didn't come around then we would be paying thousands for i3 level of performance CPUs today.
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Was my fist pc I built my self amd k6 2
I remeber the K6 -2 , i haver never seen one that would not sit there happily with 133mhz fsb , and you culd jump up the multi a few points without any issues,
Processor pertama saya :) K6II
Few years back as a temporary everyday machine I set up a K6-2 500... WinXP was tolerable, but anything that used math was sluggish to the point of unusable, and the 3D Pipes screensaver often locked it up. Soon had enough and switched to a P2-400, and it was night and day. I'd never been an AMD fan, but now I'm less so!
I had a AMD K6-III 450 didn't have it very long because I ran into compatibility issues with certain games at the times due to the instruction set that the CPU had. When ever I tried to run a game it told me that I needed a Pentium II and the game would refuse to run.
I would point out that although the K6-2 did not have a pipelined FPU unlike the PII. On most games you could run at or above the monitor refresh and max resolution of CRTs available in the day unless you had a crazy high-end CRT. The question intel of the day PII vs K6-2. PII had superior performance at 3 to 4x the price at 10 -30% performance difference. The K6-2 gave a lot of bang for the buck. Also by the time 500 came out the Athlons were available too. Which had a better clock for clock performance including FPU.
One thing that is forgotten a lot if the sequence in which these were available, price and relative gfx limits of the time.
From a historical perspective times and prices are indeed important, but that data is also very hard to find. For example the K6-2 came out quite late, the Pentium was already on the market for a while and Intel did drop prices as well. So I'm not sure about 4x the price...
But what my channel is mostly about is building retro PCs now, so how much something cost in the past, does it really matter? I try to show what a CPU could be used for and when to look for something else.
I looked up historical prices, and in August of 1999, Intel dropped the price of the Pentium III 450 to $ 183. But I think this was more in response to the Athlon, not because of the K6-2 500.
it was less a comment to your video and more general having lived it. the 400+ came along with Athlon within 6 months. The k5 was the Pentium counterpart and k6 and k6-2 were not as performance.
Does it matter now? no both of legacy laptops for gaming have Intel inside. back then AMD. now the costs of 20 year old stuff it doesn't matter. The k6-2 300s were out in 1998 the 500s came much later. My comment was more pointing that k6-2s were out before Celeron As. That is not true.
Does it matter now? yes and no. no all this stuff is available at pennies. but yes I think the history matters. the k6-2 500 was more or less amds Celeron as Athlon was coming on market at same time.
PhilsComputerLab I wanted also to say I enjoyed the video. Hope you do more like it in the future,
Thanks, I hope so too :)