Cube shows the 2025 models on their webpage and it looks fantastic. They have colours that are not black and hydraulic brakes start at 1199 wir tiagra. I'll most likely get their entry level carbon bike with 105 for 1699 and later upgrade it with aerodynamic carbon wheels. 1399 for 105 with a good aluminium frame also looks good compared to the pandemic prices.
Two comments on the DIY build: 1 - Patience is key. I watched a lot of TH-cam and researched a lot of components, bought an inexpensive tool set and went to work. I wasn't in a hurry but it all came together pretty easily. 2. Emily suggested exactly what I did. I had everything assembled (including the hydraulics) but got stumped at correctly indexing the rear derailleur and bleeding the brakes. Took it to my LBS and they charged their regular tune-up fee; they removed a couple of chain links, indexed the gears (Shimano 105), and bled the brakes. All my knowledge came from various YT videos. Highly recommend the process.
I was the same. Fitted SRAM so it was a bit easier wrt fitting and indexing etc, but after bleeding the rear brake fairly easily, the front wouldn't bleed. I thought I'd damaged the hose when fitting integrated bars but I couldn't see anything obvious. Took it to my local bike mechanic and he found some debris inside the caliber that was blocking the fluid being pushed past it. I could have spent ages stripping everything down, and still never found it. A good learning experience.
re: building your own bike. Ive done two now, chinese carbon and ali express or equivalent parts. Cost me about 2000-3000 each (Canadian dollars) - hardest for me was running the housing through the handlebars. But do a lot of research. Make sure you get the right bottom bracket for the frame. Make sure your rotors are compatible with your brakes (I found out Shimano and equivalent rotors are thinner than some you might get from 3rd parties (perhaps they were MTB? no idea)). Not a race bike of course, an endurance and gravel bike. But if you love fiddling, highly recommend. But be prepared to spend more than you expect on tools, corrected parts, etc. I'd keep at least 20% of your budget as a buffer for when things go wrong.
I second this. Build 2 mtbs, one frame from Taiwan (Kinesis) and the other one from China (Elves). When i built the first one i didn't know anything about building a bike let alone buying stuff from China. I did a lot of research and i feel like it was pretty easy especially if you have the right tools (that i had to buy). I'll definitely recommend a bike repair stand for anyone who wants to do that.
@@diran971 i did it without a bike repair stand and no hydraulic line tools, just had a torque wrench, allen keys, chain whip, chain breaker, carbon grip paste, and bottom bracket wrench. So i only got my hydraulic lines on the exterior of the frame, rode my bike to a local bike shop, and paid them to get them internal 😅
I have had many high end road bikes over the last 15 years. Due to a change of circumstances I now ride a aluminium Domane with Claris. It is obviously not the same but for £700 all in it rides perfect and shifts flawlessly.
Had a similar idea and went with a Giant Contend 1 (2x9 Sora with rim brakes) for 700 european bucks. Worst bike I have ever ridden. Doesn’t stop at all, creaks and squeaks with every pedal turn, shifting from small to big chainring is almost impossible, is also somehow slower and feels heavier than my ultra-cheap MTB with shimano tourney, which also stops much better despite having V-Brakes. And no, I didn’t mess up anything when putting it together, it was built by a professional shop. Cheap bikes are dead to me now. You get what you pay for I guess.
I will say my cable disk brakes are not great-they have taken a while to bed in and even then are a tenth as good as hydros! Its a short term fix that may last me a year or two!
@@HNedel There is a giant contend 1 in my household and I can't say I agree with you at all. It's super light (for 700€) and super agile, the brakes are as good as you can expect for dual pivot brakes, sora shifts just fine, only issue is that there is a noise in the lowest gear which I just can't quite place. The tires are absolute rubbish but that's an easy upgrade. Even though it's two sizes too small for me it felt quite fun when I tried it once.
@@henning1910 it’s light, sure, that doesn’t make it agile. My heavy mountainbike with 2.2 inch tires and v-brakes is more agile and stops better. If the best I can expect from dual pivot calipers is to have to stop with my feet, then i guess they are just not good enough. I had ordered better tires and TPU tubes even before I got the bike. After an extensive test ride I am returning them, and also the bike itself. I don’t care if Giant decides to not give me a full refund, for the money i would need to spend to make this bike somewhat useable, might as well buy a proper one.
Dan, I upgraded my 105 gravel bike to GRX Di2 for ... reasons. What Francis says about patience is key. It's also notable that I spent a lot of time researching to make sure I had what I needed, and I still ended up with some of the wrong stuff (e.g., all the Di2 cables were too short, despite my best efforts at measuring). I'm ecstatic with the result. And yes, for me, the pleasure was in the learning and the doing it myself.
You’re all great, but Emily now takes the cake as the coolest person on the show! I’m a discrete math nerd and she just used “tautology” in a correct and useful context without making it sound nerdy 19:12
@@danielfay8963 having left school far too many decades ago and my trade needing simple math….s (add, subtract etc). Could you please give an example of tautology, as it applies to math…s? TIA 🙏🍻
The STIs on the Cube pictures were the old Tiagra 4700 Shifters. When the bike was listed, it had the 360° view and you could see the Tiagra name on the levers.
Extremely excited about Cues. Their introduction means sub-$1000 1x wide range and 2x ultra wide range gravel bikes are now a possibility. The GRX 610 system is very over-specced from a price perspective. The cassette is an SLX and the RD822 is Deore XT based. This will drop prices considerably. Plus the gearing options are very interesting. 9 Speed has 11-46, 10 Speed has 11-48 and the 11 Speed cassette is an 11-50, with a smaller 11-45 for 2x. A 46-30 up front, with an 11-45 in the back would make for an outstanding bikepacking rig
11-45 in 2by would offer amazing gear range. Might switch for a Cues rear mech and 11-45 if they would work with GRX shifters. Climbs with luggage would lose their sting.
Team I put CUES on my ebike earlier this year because Shimano discontinued the old group set. Honestly it's the best system I have ridden other than gearbox. I have upgraded to a non electric bike and am waiting for the cassette to wear out that came with the bike to upgrade to CUES. I will also be upgrading to 2 by so I have a 600% ratio. You need to try it. The torque on an ebike normally leads to very sloppy shifting after 1000 km of wear, the CUES is bullet proof..
Found out about Scarab bikes the other week. Their paintjobs are outstanding. A local artist does watercolours of the Andes mountains with their elevation.
They have soo many options and hit my vision of this bike perfectly. in person theres insane depth to the candy apple red and in the sun the metal flake is wild.
Anyone else old enough to remember Richard’s Bicycle Book by Richard Ballantine? Back in the day taught me everything I then needed to know about bike mechanics!
500%-520% gear range is typical for a mountain bike (10-50 or 52 cassette on a 1x). Getting similar range on a "road" setup, with smaller jumps between gears, and the aero and chainlink advantage of 1x is very useful for most recreational riders on hills or gravel.
Building new bikes with electric gears and hydraulic brakes is easier than older bikes in my opinion. Do it. Build it. Save money and buy all the components you really want. Everything is on TH-cam. There’s nothing easier than sram etap or even shimano di2. I’ve found generally the more expensive and mainstream the brand the easier it is to work on. The hardest thing about building a bike is wrapping bar tape perfectly.
Hi guys, I am riding an older version of the Cube Nuroad (2021) - back then it had good value and more important, it was available. Did about 7.000 kilometres on it, and it is still quite some fun to ride (next to the obvious changes (preferred sattle), upgraded it with Zipp 303s Carbon by now). It features different Shimano Grx components (Grx -600 leavers with grx 400 brakes and grx 800 rear-derailleur). Great bike - might be a good addition bikes with great value.
Regarding titanium hangers, my understanding is they are for better shifting at the wider chain angles. Typically, they are for the "marginal gains" cyclists like racers or people who want the best possible shifting. Titanium rear mech hangers are going to be stiffer and do not bend with the same amount of pressure as aluminum. Depending (as Jimmy alluded to) on the alloy, it will likely break before bending beyond a certain percentage. AFAIK, Silca with the hollowed/lattice design is to make them stiff but not indestructible to prevent frame damage.
On the topic of rear hangers: those had to bend to protect the frame when it was quick-release because those weren‘t very rigid. With through-axles, those take on most of the force in case of a crash and are rather rigid, so the frame is more protected. Hence the option of direct mount hangers or UDH.
Will be interested to see what decathlon could do with the new cues groupset with their value bikes. Loved my first roadbike I got from them but a triban gravel bike with this kit would be a really appealing proposition.
Good move by Shimano with Cues. Prices have gone a bit ridiculous. Solid lower tier offerings will be appreciated, and it seems the Cues parts already out are pretty good.
200€ less for the cube pro and it would be an absolute steal. But still at that price point it’s great. Cube is such a good and underrated brand oversee.
Cheese before bed... used to have all sorts of images when half awake at night. Every shadow or coat on hook became something sinister... 50+ years ago
My wife is a very casual cyclist, so when we ride together I do anything to slow me down & be comfortable at lower speeds. I have a pair of Keen sandles with SPD that I wear. Technically they are sandles, but more importantly for safety, the toes are covered. Also wear them when I want to ride in hard rain and my neoprene Lake winter shoes are too warm. Over or under rated, don't know, but a useful tool for VERY specific circumstances.
I have built my own bike. The main thing to do is download the installation instructions for the gears & brakes from the manufacturer. They will show you in easy to follow steps how to install and set them up. Also I wouldn't buy a toolset. I would just buy the tools I need as I need them. Then you aren't paying for tools you don't need.
I am betting the Cues is going to be the mechanical side of things, 105\ultegra\dura ace will be all electronic only. I think this will be a good thing.
Definitely a good idea to build your own bike! You will however probably need more tools than you initially thought you did which adds to the expense! With the right tools (and patience), hydraulic disc brakes are not difficult
One thing about building your own bike is that you never find a bike configured like you want it. Getting s sized frame and 160mm cranks quite an added cost. Not to mention where your priorities lie what you need better what you can live with being lower tier. Also if you build it you know how to work on it. I'm also bit annoyed with prevalence of hydraulic being difficult. They are just different and like you've said before and what my experience is that vast majority of time you do it once and don't touch it for a long time. Personally o just buy a used bike with decent frame and groupset for as cheap as possible and then have spare cash to change what I want. But that's just me.
O MAN!!!!! Just watched this pod. THATS MY SCARAB!!!! Glad you guys love the bike!!! again thank you soo much for the videos that led me down the path to this bike it rides sooo well! Everyone give Scarab a consideration when going custom!
My only bicycle, a Steel Mobobecane Gran Premio 56 began with the 2017/18 Shimano 2040 Claris 3x8 groupset. After a semi-major accident in 2019, the cockpit got upgraded with Ritcheylogic parts and the shifters got upgraded to the newer Claris R2000 series with the integrated shifter cables. In late 2023, upgraded the octo BB to a BBR60 with the Sora R3000 3x Crank and Front Derail mech. Considering the bike has over 6000miles, it was a worthy upgrade. Wasn't up for spending more to jump into the 105 and reduce my gearing due to the many hills in my area. I managed to conquer Mt Diablo and Mt Palomar here in California for 2024 under this frankenstein. Funny enough, lot of the Claris/Sora parts are dirt cheap except for the shifters. Budget cyclist
I’ve owned the Shimano Cues U-8000 group set since its release and it’s fantastic. Feels solid and hasn’t missed a beat since I’ve owned it, I highly recommend.
Hehe. I tuned in to hear exciting news of 13 speed Di3 and ended up learning that Mick Hucknell is looking at the foot of beds throughout the country! Proper sports journalism. Love it. 😂
I found subscriber Dan's question really interesting. About 2 years ago, I bought my first new road bike in over 30 years. I know. Crazy, right? Anyway, I'm one of those folks who thoroughly enjoys working on my bike. I enjoy it so much that despite all the changes in bike technology, I chose to buy a titanium bike with external cables and rim brakes so that I could continue to work on my bike without all the frustrations and delays to which Jimmy spoke. I have never regretted my decision. But I understand the path I have chosen is not for everyone. 😊
I love closed toe hiking sandals with large platform MTB pedals with pins. My feet run hot, so I need the air flow. The pedals are super grippy. Definitely, underrated, in my opinion.
43:42 Brake bleeding, if it’s mineral oil, is as cheap as getting two 20ml syringe bodies, some transparent hose where fish and aquaria are sold, and 30ml of that oil. Bleeding block comes with the rear brake, or fold some paper to bridge the gap between rotor and pads.
People seem to have a blind spot with 4700 Tiagra and GRX RX400; good solid 10 speed groups, same cable pull as the rest of the higher tier road/gravel groups and importantly hydraulic brakes. The thing to note with CUES is that the cable pull is different, so there won't be such an incremental upgrade path for people wanting to move to 105/GRX/Ultegra. But then CUES is definitely a product pitched towards the needs of OEMs in the first instance...
I think the Classified gives a 1:0.7 difference - almost identical to a 50/34 crankset. My Campag 2x12 gives me 16 unique, reasonably evenly spaced gears, going from high gear to low with a single front shift in the middle
Note on bleeding brakes. Vehicle brake hydraulic fluid is recommended to be replaced every 2 years, this is because the fluid is hydroscopic (absorbs moisture from the atmosphere), this moisture/water will cause issues of overheating and air in the system. It can also cause corrosion within the system. It would be worth checking the manufacturers recommendations and stick to them.
Guys, building your own bike, provided you sgop around and have patience, is way cheaper. And also if you take time to inform yourself to build it correctly you will get amazing value for money.
My first bike i built was a carbon gravel bike with GRX800. Cutting the steerer tube was fine, bottom bracket was fine, cassette and disc were fine. the struggle was bleeding hydraulic brakes. My advice is buy a very good high quality bleed kit. makes all the difference. it took me a lot of patience and time to learn to blled brakes well. It is a skill of patients and little tricks. I watched many videos on how to get air bubbles out of hydraulic brakes. I will admit I took the bike to a shop to be blead and learnt the skill much later.
Emily's question is pertinent. It very much depends on the LBS. If they're only interested in volumes and cookie-cutter solutions, they'll show you the door. If they're independent and want business, they might heave a sigh of exasperation but they're more likely to see you through.
Close your bedroom doors, they prevent the spread of a fire and give you more smoke alarm warning time. Put something noisy on them so that the intruder makes noise when they come in. If they're in the house, it is too late anyway. Motion sensors (ring door bells work just as well inside too,) might work, but pets may set them off all the time, and some systems have exclusion zones. Proper tech can give you peace of mind, but live somewhere safer... The world is large enough to! Yes, this is what I do for a living, and I ride! ;)
"it'll work out more expensive that way". Not if you want to buy a specialized. Even with the ridiculous cost of the frameset, buying every part at msrp will net you savings, even if you have a shop build the bike for you.
I get exactly what she explained every now and then and its terrifying, despite knowing it’s just sleep paralysis. I tend to just get up, scroll youtube or something for 25 mins, then go back to sleep.
My comments to Dan is like Francis said. Patience. I have built a couple of bikes, cable and hydro Electric. I am riding a $500 frame with SRAM AXS RED. Cost me less than 4g even after getting a couple of tools. Assembling SRAM was easier than anything, shimano. The mecs come with alignment tools, the calipers already had cables attached and were almost perfectly sized for my bike. All I had to do was follow their pdf and torque everything to spec. The most stressful part was cutting the steerer tube. If you already do most of your maintenance you can build a bike.
An iMask? About 4 a.m. today (which is not an entirely unusual time for me to wake) I saw a bright light in our room, followed by darkness, and then a bright light again. I thought it might be the alarm clock, but when I actually opened my eyes to look, I saw that my partner's work PC was running an update.
Just built a race bike from scratch: Chinese carbon frame, electronic shifting, mechanical discs, 1100 gram carbon wheels (built by me), internal cabling, 7.5 kilos. Total cost under 2K. I have built bikes before but all with last-century tech. Was tedious/frustrating? Definitely. Was it worth it? Absolutely.
@@KerenWang I’m far from an expert but the frame is nicely finished, everything aligns, there were no bottom bracket issues, and the bike rides beautifully.
Really enjoyed the rest of the video! Especially the buy versus scratch. I've done both. I still buy and modify. Another analogy is remodeling a kitchen. I professional generally can do it within a week, where it would take me a month. During that time, you lose access and use (enjoyment.) Also, you can buy a nice enough bike for $5,000 that will be ready to ride. Personally, go spend $2,000 on a gravel bike and $3,000 on a road bike (used,) N+1 forever!
Spot on is your assessment of building your own bike with hydraulic. disc brakes, electronic shifting and everything hidden - even pro mechanics hate the setup of these bikes. I am close to 62 yo and bought a tiny Van Rysel EDR AF (L) with Centaur (= 830 Euro) for the reason not to deal with disc brakes and hidden cockpit; with short legs I bought Deda Zero100 (Anatomic 420 mm o-o/Stem 140 mm) with a Fizik Arione Saddle. Upgrading tires on the Calima Wheelset after winter (to Conti 5000) will suffice. The best upgrade was a Favero Duo Powermeter years ago - so you know what is holding you back (physical issues - wind - discrete ascending of a hill). Of course as a road bike racer I would grab a SRAM electric groupset with carbon frame (if way cheaper an Ultegra Di2 - advantage = wider range of cassettes).
For building your own bike - see if you have a local bike co-op. There is a bike co-op that is local to me that has a full service shop space and tools that is available to everyone to use if you don’t have the tools. And, if there are things you need help with the people there will help you work on your bike and assist as needed. This is all free but it is suggested to give a nice tip to whomever helped you with the maintenance or build or whatever. It can be a great way to learn how to build while having a lifeline for those trouble spots.
I got a new road bike to replace my 20 year old Giant. The new bike has 12 speed Ultegra with hydraulic discs. While I did not do the initial set-up, basic maintenance thus far has been much easier with the new bike. Any adjustments necessary to the shifting can be done on the app. I never could dial in shifting on cable shifters. We will see how my opinion changes when I have to bleed the brakes. :)
Lowest level of GRX is 400, which is 10 speed Tiagra 4700 equivalent. Essa exists below Cues covering 8 speed. Cues road will need bigger chainset options than 40T for "normal" road bikes, due to smaller rolling diameter than gravel bikes. Still wanting Ultegra 12 speed Mechanical.
I don't understand what is complicated about hydraulic brakes. It's a new skill, and yes, there are a lot of fiddly bits, but if you're buying a groupset, that's different than buying individual pieces and trying to put it together. And, changing spark plugs and an air filter is still the exact same on modern cars than when you were a kid, just more plastic to remove first. Always entertaining watching the podcast❤
3:11 he may be able to hear everything, but if there is a fire you are in trouble. The door serves to keep smoke out for as long as possible. Also, good luck having a good reaction is someone breaks in. Most people don't react well to a real break in because they are half asleep and disoriented. But, I guess jimmy is also an dealing with break ins too lol
actually i bought a ti mech hanger for my ti bike. the idea of the ti on the mech hanger is to avoid galvanic corrosion when you have two different materials in contact!
I’ve always been confused about sub 105 components from Shimano so this Cues system is a great idea. If I’m in the market for a new groupo this is doings its job of making me pause about my consideration of the likes of LTWOO and Senseh in the mix.
Dot brake fluid is hygroscopic,so it attracts or absorbs moisture. Thats why you should replace the fluid approximately every 2 years. This question has been asked before and James who works with nick didn't know why. Ask anyone who rides motorcycles and bicycles with a basic mechanical background will agree. Hope this helps if not,theres always a TH-cam video on the subject 😂 Keep up the good work all.👍
No one likes planned obscolence. In the past (before Cues), riders could stick with their gear numbers and use the newest lower level groupsets' components as replacement parts. Had Ultegra 11s? Could use 105 11s when the newest Ultegra moved to 12s. This applied to pretty much the entire Shimano groupsets, except the last one at the bottom. With Cues, if they it's incompatible with 105 11s, it makes the 105 11s the most stuck groupset in Shimano's world. Everyone was waiting for Tiagra 11s and even its Di2 version. It's unlikely that Shimano would make 105 and Cues compatible, but I'll keep my fingers crossed, otherwise, I'll wait for the newest Sram Force.
They are not compatible. Cues is a mountain bike groupset, so it has very low cable pull ratio compared to the road only 11 speed which pull a lot of cable. As a result, Cues is almost, but not 100% compatible with Deore, although it is close enough that you can substitute parts and get it working pretty well. That then also means that it is nowhere near 11 speed road, for better or for worse. It does have the same pull ratios for 9, 10 and 11 speed, as well as drop bar and flat bar, which is great news for people on a budget like myself because you can now build a gravel bike with a huge rear cassette for not a lot. For rich people, there is GRX and SRAM AXS.
Here's an example of Shimano's current branding problem. I bought a bike 10 years ago. At the time I rode a bike with Claris and it sucked. I bought a 105 bike. It was amazing. From what I understand, Claris today is probably as good or better than the decade old 105. But in my mind it's Claris, so it sucks.
Long-distance touring cyclist Alee swears by SPD sandals. I vividly remember my brother wearing flip-flops on the back of a bicycle my mother was pedaling and sticking his foot in the spokes (he was fine after an emergency room visit and multiple stitches), so they're anathema for me.
I owned a Cube Nuroad Pro, which I bought about 18 months ago. It has the lowest level of GRX (10-speed), which is equivalent to Tiagra. It's a good bike for the price, I think. I bought it to replace a Decathlon Triban 520RC gravel bike, which got stolen. Compared to that one, the Cube is slower on smooth tarmac (probably because of the tires only), but is more stable offroad (especially on climbs).
Thank you all. For me that was your best ever. I live in the Gambia. I've recently had a somewhat catastrophic lie down and broken a rib. There are too many things to which I could offer replies so I won't try. Just to say, from an aging cyclist, drunk on whisky ( by far the cheapest and most effective painkiller available to me) at 7 o'clock in the morning , you all just made me laugh out loud for most of an hour. (Which, by the way, hurt like fuck - because of the broken rib- but, hey, thanks) Dx
Raced with a couple of those mini coke cans in back pocket and got wiped out in a crash. I landed on the cans and landed hard, bruised my kidneys and spent a week peeing blood. Ever since then, those mini cans have been known around our house as "Kidney Killers"
Here's hoping we get a flood of fantastic entry level road and gravel bikes off the back of this 💙
Lets hope not only the bikes are entry level but also the prices.
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Cube shows the 2025 models on their webpage and it looks fantastic. They have colours that are not black and hydraulic brakes start at 1199 wir tiagra. I'll most likely get their entry level carbon bike with 105 for 1699 and later upgrade it with aerodynamic carbon wheels. 1399 for 105 with a good aluminium frame also looks good compared to the pandemic prices.
Lol, guys, there is NO WAY your DMs survive this episode.
Most fun I’ve ever had while listening 😂
It’ll be weeks before they recover
Two comments on the DIY build: 1 - Patience is key. I watched a lot of TH-cam and researched a lot of components, bought an inexpensive tool set and went to work. I wasn't in a hurry but it all came together pretty easily. 2. Emily suggested exactly what I did. I had everything assembled (including the hydraulics) but got stumped at correctly indexing the rear derailleur and bleeding the brakes. Took it to my LBS and they charged their regular tune-up fee; they removed a couple of chain links, indexed the gears (Shimano 105), and bled the brakes. All my knowledge came from various YT videos. Highly recommend the process.
I was the same. Fitted SRAM so it was a bit easier wrt fitting and indexing etc, but after bleeding the rear brake fairly easily, the front wouldn't bleed. I thought I'd damaged the hose when fitting integrated bars but I couldn't see anything obvious. Took it to my local bike mechanic and he found some debris inside the caliber that was blocking the fluid being pushed past it. I could have spent ages stripping everything down, and still never found it. A good learning experience.
On "Cubano Shoes" I bursted into laughing. 😂
Lowest level of GRX is Tiagra equivalent, not 105.
And Tiagra 4700 is pretty great
Yeah, 4xx is Tiagra, 6xx is 105, 8xx is Ultegra and no Dura Ace equivalent. Not sure that is official, but reflects their levels of refinement.
Tiagra is fantastic. 👍
All my bikes (3) are still 10 speed. All are interchangeable with each other and for me, there's no need to go for 11 and definitely not 12.
re: building your own bike. Ive done two now, chinese carbon and ali express or equivalent parts. Cost me about 2000-3000 each (Canadian dollars) - hardest for me was running the housing through the handlebars. But do a lot of research. Make sure you get the right bottom bracket for the frame. Make sure your rotors are compatible with your brakes (I found out Shimano and equivalent rotors are thinner than some you might get from 3rd parties (perhaps they were MTB? no idea)).
Not a race bike of course, an endurance and gravel bike. But if you love fiddling, highly recommend. But be prepared to spend more than you expect on tools, corrected parts, etc. I'd keep at least 20% of your budget as a buffer for when things go wrong.
I second this. Build 2 mtbs, one frame from Taiwan (Kinesis) and the other one from China (Elves). When i built the first one i didn't know anything about building a bike let alone buying stuff from China. I did a lot of research and i feel like it was pretty easy especially if you have the right tools (that i had to buy).
I'll definitely recommend a bike repair stand for anyone who wants to do that.
@@diran971 i did it without a bike repair stand and no hydraulic line tools, just had a torque wrench, allen keys, chain whip, chain breaker, carbon grip paste, and bottom bracket wrench. So i only got my hydraulic lines on the exterior of the frame, rode my bike to a local bike shop, and paid them to get them internal 😅
theres a good chance the "new" cues levers are straight up 105 R7000 shifters
Yeah that shape is easy to recognize
Looks like it. The pull ratio, though, is different.
Aren't all CUES just using the 11 speed pull ratio? I might be misremembering...
@@BleakVision No. It uses 11-speed chains, but the pull is different.
@@peterbaskind9872Just change the widget inside, all it takes
I'm waiting for Cues drop leavers to build a proper bike for packing/touring. Massive range, easy gear for long rides, hope Shimano met our demands!
I am using Cues on a drop bar hard tail with a friction shifter. A proper shifter would be excellent
Building a bike: you don’t always have time to do it right, but you’ve got time to do it twice.
If that isn't the truest statement 😅.
Took me ages but I loved the experience. Didn’t cost more but yeah must of done some things 5 times 😂
I have had many high end road bikes over the last 15 years. Due to a change of circumstances I now ride a aluminium Domane with Claris. It is obviously not the same but for £700 all in it rides perfect and shifts flawlessly.
Had a similar idea and went with a Giant Contend 1 (2x9 Sora with rim brakes) for 700 european bucks. Worst bike I have ever ridden. Doesn’t stop at all, creaks and squeaks with every pedal turn, shifting from small to big chainring is almost impossible, is also somehow slower and feels heavier than my ultra-cheap MTB with shimano tourney, which also stops much better despite having V-Brakes. And no, I didn’t mess up anything when putting it together, it was built by a professional shop.
Cheap bikes are dead to me now. You get what you pay for I guess.
I will say my cable disk brakes are not great-they have taken a while to bed in and even then are a tenth as good as hydros! Its a short term fix that may last me a year or two!
@@HNedel There is a giant contend 1 in my household and I can't say I agree with you at all.
It's super light (for 700€) and super agile, the brakes are as good as you can expect for dual pivot brakes, sora shifts just fine, only issue is that there is a noise in the lowest gear which I just can't quite place. The tires are absolute rubbish but that's an easy upgrade.
Even though it's two sizes too small for me it felt quite fun when I tried it once.
@@henning1910 it’s light, sure, that doesn’t make it agile. My heavy mountainbike with 2.2 inch tires and v-brakes is more agile and stops better. If the best I can expect from dual pivot calipers is to have to stop with my feet, then i guess they are just not good enough.
I had ordered better tires and TPU tubes even before I got the bike. After an extensive test ride I am returning them, and also the bike itself. I don’t care if Giant decides to not give me a full refund, for the money i would need to spend to make this bike somewhat useable, might as well buy a proper one.
Dan, I upgraded my 105 gravel bike to GRX Di2 for ... reasons. What Francis says about patience is key. It's also notable that I spent a lot of time researching to make sure I had what I needed, and I still ended up with some of the wrong stuff (e.g., all the Di2 cables were too short, despite my best efforts at measuring). I'm ecstatic with the result. And yes, for me, the pleasure was in the learning and the doing it myself.
You’re all great, but Emily now takes the cake as the coolest person on the show! I’m a discrete math nerd and she just used “tautology” in a correct and useful context without making it sound nerdy 19:12
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It doesn’t have to be math…..s related. ‘5 a.m. in the morning’, being quite common.
Emily's just lovely.
@@johnnunn8688 Of course it doesn't have to be math related, but its a phrase you very rarely hear used outside of discrete math/philosophy
@@danielfay8963 having left school far too many decades ago and my trade needing simple math….s (add, subtract etc). Could you please give an example of tautology, as it applies to math…s? TIA 🙏🍻
The STIs on the Cube pictures were the old Tiagra 4700 Shifters. When the bike was listed, it had the 360° view and you could see the Tiagra name on the levers.
Extremely excited about Cues. Their introduction means sub-$1000 1x wide range and 2x ultra wide range gravel bikes are now a possibility. The GRX 610 system is very over-specced from a price perspective. The cassette is an SLX and the RD822 is Deore XT based. This will drop prices considerably. Plus the gearing options are very interesting. 9 Speed has 11-46, 10 Speed has 11-48 and the 11 Speed cassette is an 11-50, with a smaller 11-45 for 2x. A 46-30 up front, with an 11-45 in the back would make for an outstanding bikepacking rig
11-45 in 2by would offer amazing gear range. Might switch for a Cues rear mech and 11-45 if they would work with GRX shifters. Climbs with luggage would lose their sting.
you can already use the grx810 with an 11-42 cassette, usually without any additional mods. Works fine with the standard 46-30/48-31 up front.
@@TheSeriousJulian Is that then a MTB cassette? Aren't they of a different width?
@@HeadPack yes, MTB cassette. XT CS-M8000 or XTR equivalents.
Plenty of videos of this hack on TH-cam and elsewhere.
@@TheSeriousJulian Thanks. Will look that up.
Team I put CUES on my ebike earlier this year because Shimano discontinued the old group set. Honestly it's the best system I have ridden other than gearbox. I have upgraded to a non electric bike and am waiting for the cassette to wear out that came with the bike to upgrade to CUES. I will also be upgrading to 2 by so I have a 600% ratio. You need to try it. The torque on an ebike normally leads to very sloppy shifting after 1000 km of wear, the CUES is bullet proof..
Found out about Scarab bikes the other week. Their paintjobs are outstanding. A local artist does watercolours of the Andes mountains with their elevation.
They have soo many options and hit my vision of this bike perfectly. in person theres insane depth to the candy apple red and in the sun the metal flake is wild.
Anyone else old enough to remember Richard’s Bicycle Book by Richard Ballantine? Back in the day taught me everything I then needed to know about bike mechanics!
500%-520% gear range is typical for a mountain bike (10-50 or 52 cassette on a 1x). Getting similar range on a "road" setup, with smaller jumps between gears, and the aero and chainlink advantage of 1x is very useful for most recreational riders on hills or gravel.
Francis is the coolest person on the internet.
Thanks guys for all the bike building advice. It sounds like I am going to find out the answer to Francis' first question in due course
SPD sandals: Underrated. I use them on the indoor trainer, no more sweaty feet on longer sessions 🎉
Also think they're underrated
I use them as year around commuting/touring shows
In winter, I just wear thick waterproof socks
I have had a Cube nuroad Gravel bike with claris for around 3 years now and love the bike, hope you feature more Cube videos :)
+1 for more cube value discussion. New agree and attain range is insane value! Also agree is aero endurance, should this be a thing!?
Building new bikes with electric gears and hydraulic brakes is easier than older bikes in my opinion. Do it. Build it. Save money and buy all the components you really want. Everything is on TH-cam. There’s nothing easier than sram etap or even shimano di2. I’ve found generally the more expensive and mainstream the brand the easier it is to work on. The hardest thing about building a bike is wrapping bar tape perfectly.
You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think modern bikes are easier, speak to any mechanic. Can I ask how long you’ve been riding bikes
@@TarmaccyclocrossThey are right though
Well, your opinion is quite wrong, and mechanics would charge less if that were true. So you're actually wrong.
@@Silidons91 🤡
@@Silidons91 they’re not going to do that are they moneys money
Hi guys, I am riding an older version of the Cube Nuroad (2021) - back then it had good value and more important, it was available.
Did about 7.000 kilometres on it, and it is still quite some fun to ride (next to the obvious changes (preferred sattle), upgraded it with Zipp 303s Carbon by now). It features different Shimano Grx components (Grx -600 leavers with grx 400 brakes and grx 800 rear-derailleur). Great bike - might be a good addition bikes with great value.
Regarding titanium hangers, my understanding is they are for better shifting at the wider chain angles. Typically, they are for the "marginal gains" cyclists like racers or people who want the best possible shifting. Titanium rear mech hangers are going to be stiffer and do not bend with the same amount of pressure as aluminum. Depending (as Jimmy alluded to) on the alloy, it will likely break before bending beyond a certain percentage. AFAIK, Silca with the hollowed/lattice design is to make them stiff but not indestructible to prevent frame damage.
Shimano Cues will truly be the group set for the people.
On Cube bikes note, they are amazing. I got one from 2011, second hand market, fair price in Sweden was 480 British money.
On the topic of rear hangers: those had to bend to protect the frame when it was quick-release because those weren‘t very rigid. With through-axles, those take on most of the force in case of a crash and are rather rigid, so the frame is more protected. Hence the option of direct mount hangers or UDH.
Will be interested to see what decathlon could do with the new cues groupset with their value bikes. Loved my first roadbike I got from them but a triban gravel bike with this kit would be a really appealing proposition.
Your content just gets better and better, “you cannot say semi in this segment” 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
Good move by Shimano with Cues. Prices have gone a bit ridiculous. Solid lower tier offerings will be appreciated, and it seems the Cues parts already out are pretty good.
200€ less for the cube pro and it would be an absolute steal. But still at that price point it’s great. Cube is such a good and underrated brand oversee.
My first road bike I bought in 2009r was Cube with Sora for 750£ and that was a great bike 🤩
Cheese before bed... used to have all sorts of images when half awake at night. Every shadow or coat on hook became something sinister... 50+ years ago
Scarab make some stunning bicycles with outrageous paint jobs.
Steel is real.
CF is posh fibreglass.
My wife is a very casual cyclist, so when we ride together I do anything to slow me down & be comfortable at lower speeds. I have a pair of Keen sandles with SPD that I wear. Technically they are sandles, but more importantly for safety, the toes are covered. Also wear them when I want to ride in hard rain and my neoprene Lake winter shoes are too warm. Over or under rated, don't know, but a useful tool for VERY specific circumstances.
I have built my own bike. The main thing to do is download the installation instructions for the gears & brakes from the manufacturer. They will show you in easy to follow steps how to install and set them up. Also I wouldn't buy a toolset. I would just buy the tools I need as I need them. Then you aren't paying for tools you don't need.
I am betting the Cues is going to be the mechanical side of things, 105\ultegra\dura ace will be all electronic only. I think this will be a good thing.
12 speed 105 mechanical still exists
@@thedownunderverse yes, but I am betting that will go away once this stuff launches
Definitely a good idea to build your own bike! You will however probably need more tools than you initially thought you did which adds to the expense!
With the right tools (and patience), hydraulic disc brakes are not difficult
One thing about building your own bike is that you never find a bike configured like you want it. Getting s sized frame and 160mm cranks quite an added cost. Not to mention where your priorities lie what you need better what you can live with being lower tier. Also if you build it you know how to work on it. I'm also bit annoyed with prevalence of hydraulic being difficult. They are just different and like you've said before and what my experience is that vast majority of time you do it once and don't touch it for a long time. Personally o just buy a used bike with decent frame and groupset for as cheap as possible and then have spare cash to change what I want. But that's just me.
O MAN!!!!! Just watched this pod. THATS MY SCARAB!!!! Glad you guys love the bike!!! again thank you soo much for the videos that led me down the path to this bike it rides sooo well! Everyone give Scarab a consideration when going custom!
Will it go up to 11 speed?
My only bicycle, a Steel Mobobecane Gran Premio 56 began with the 2017/18 Shimano 2040 Claris 3x8 groupset. After a semi-major accident in 2019, the cockpit got upgraded with Ritcheylogic parts and the shifters got upgraded to the newer Claris R2000 series with the integrated shifter cables. In late 2023, upgraded the octo BB to a BBR60 with the Sora R3000 3x Crank and Front Derail mech. Considering the bike has over 6000miles, it was a worthy upgrade. Wasn't up for spending more to jump into the 105 and reduce my gearing due to the many hills in my area. I managed to conquer Mt Diablo and Mt Palomar here in California for 2024 under this frankenstein. Funny enough, lot of the Claris/Sora parts are dirt cheap except for the shifters. Budget cyclist
I’ve owned the Shimano Cues U-8000 group set since its release and it’s fantastic. Feels solid and hasn’t missed a beat since I’ve owned it, I highly recommend.
Hehe. I tuned in to hear exciting news of 13 speed Di3 and ended up learning that Mick Hucknell is looking at the foot of beds throughout the country!
Proper sports journalism. Love it. 😂
I found subscriber Dan's question really interesting. About 2 years ago, I bought my first new road bike in over 30 years. I know. Crazy, right? Anyway, I'm one of those folks who thoroughly enjoys working on my bike. I enjoy it so much that despite all the changes in bike technology, I chose to buy a titanium bike with external cables and rim brakes so that I could continue to work on my bike without all the frustrations and delays to which Jimmy spoke. I have never regretted my decision. But I understand the path I have chosen is not for everyone. 😊
I love closed toe hiking sandals with large platform MTB pedals with pins. My feet run hot, so I need the air flow. The pedals are super grippy. Definitely, underrated, in my opinion.
43:42 Brake bleeding, if it’s mineral oil, is as cheap as getting two 20ml syringe bodies, some transparent hose where fish and aquaria are sold, and 30ml of that oil. Bleeding block comes with the rear brake, or fold some paper to bridge the gap between rotor and pads.
People seem to have a blind spot with 4700 Tiagra and GRX RX400; good solid 10 speed groups, same cable pull as the rest of the higher tier road/gravel groups and importantly hydraulic brakes.
The thing to note with CUES is that the cable pull is different, so there won't be such an incremental upgrade path for people wanting to move to 105/GRX/Ultegra. But then CUES is definitely a product pitched towards the needs of OEMs in the first instance...
Working on these new modern bikes are very easy. Just need right tools
I think the Classified gives a 1:0.7 difference - almost identical to a 50/34 crankset.
My Campag 2x12 gives me 16 unique, reasonably evenly spaced gears, going from high gear to low with a single front shift in the middle
4:19 Cubano Shoes is crazy 😂
Miami style 🤣
Ryan's custom bike turned out amazingly well. Emily, you're next and you're going to love it (like it or not 😉).
It doesn't feel like a podcast & more a show. But in that mindset i've grown to really enjoy the format :). Cheers
Note on bleeding brakes. Vehicle brake hydraulic fluid is recommended to be replaced every 2 years, this is because the fluid is hydroscopic (absorbs moisture from the atmosphere), this moisture/water will cause issues of overheating and air in the system. It can also cause corrosion within the system. It would be worth checking the manufacturers recommendations and stick to them.
Keen sandals paired with MKS Lamda pedals for touring. Hard to beat.
Guys, building your own bike, provided you sgop around and have patience, is way cheaper. And also if you take time to inform yourself to build it correctly you will get amazing value for money.
Loved this with all the non edits!!!
My first bike i built was a carbon gravel bike with GRX800. Cutting the steerer tube was fine, bottom bracket was fine, cassette and disc were fine. the struggle was bleeding hydraulic brakes. My advice is buy a very good high quality bleed kit. makes all the difference. it took me a lot of patience and time to learn to blled brakes well. It is a skill of patients and little tricks. I watched many videos on how to get air bubbles out of hydraulic brakes. I will admit I took the bike to a shop to be blead and learnt the skill much later.
Emily's question is pertinent. It very much depends on the LBS. If they're only interested in volumes and cookie-cutter solutions, they'll show you the door. If they're independent and want business, they might heave a sigh of exasperation but they're more likely to see you through.
“Jimmy will wipe his bum on anything & give it to you “😅
Wish Shimano would drop the drop bar Cues already. I need some upgrades!!!!
31:00 The Silca Ti mech hangers are awesome if you want a direct mount hanger for a thru axle frame. Under rated for sure.
Shimano Cues 11 speed mtb is really nice and bullet proof for the money. I set it up on drop bar hard tail with a friction shifter
If you buy everything from your mechanic they usually help you build the bike if you ask the right questions
Close your bedroom doors, they prevent the spread of a fire and give you more smoke alarm warning time. Put something noisy on them so that the intruder makes noise when they come in. If they're in the house, it is too late anyway. Motion sensors (ring door bells work just as well inside too,) might work, but pets may set them off all the time, and some systems have exclusion zones. Proper tech can give you peace of mind, but live somewhere safer... The world is large enough to! Yes, this is what I do for a living, and I ride! ;)
"it'll work out more expensive that way". Not if you want to buy a specialized. Even with the ridiculous cost of the frameset, buying every part at msrp will net you savings, even if you have a shop build the bike for you.
Sounds like sleep paralysis, Emily
I get exactly what she explained every now and then and its terrifying, despite knowing it’s just sleep paralysis. I tend to just get up, scroll youtube or something for 25 mins, then go back to sleep.
On building your own bike, also keep an eye out for a local bike charity who may have the tools, a drop in session and can help you learn!
My comments to Dan is like Francis said. Patience. I have built a couple of bikes, cable and hydro Electric. I am riding a $500 frame with SRAM AXS RED. Cost me less than 4g even after getting a couple of tools. Assembling SRAM was easier than anything, shimano. The mecs come with alignment tools, the calipers already had cables attached and were almost perfectly sized for my bike. All I had to do was follow their pdf and torque everything to spec.
The most stressful part was cutting the steerer tube. If you already do most of your maintenance you can build a bike.
An iMask?
About 4 a.m. today (which is not an entirely unusual time for me to wake) I saw a bright light in our room, followed by darkness, and then a bright light again. I thought it might be the alarm clock, but when I actually opened my eyes to look, I saw that my partner's work PC was running an update.
Just built a race bike from scratch: Chinese carbon frame, electronic shifting, mechanical discs, 1100 gram carbon wheels (built by me), internal cabling, 7.5 kilos. Total cost under 2K. I have built bikes before but all with last-century tech. Was tedious/frustrating? Definitely. Was it worth it? Absolutely.
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@@rickh.3655great point, Ricky.
How do you feel about the quality of the carbon?
@@KerenWang I’m far from an expert but the frame is nicely finished, everything aligns, there were no bottom bracket issues, and the bike rides beautifully.
From which brand is the frame?
Really enjoyed the rest of the video! Especially the buy versus scratch. I've done both. I still buy and modify. Another analogy is remodeling a kitchen. I professional generally can do it within a week, where it would take me a month. During that time, you lose access and use (enjoyment.) Also, you can buy a nice enough bike for $5,000 that will be ready to ride. Personally, go spend $2,000 on a gravel bike and $3,000 on a road bike (used,) N+1 forever!
Queueing up for shimano cues on the cube (cues)
Large flat pedals always find my shins (painfully). I’ve thought of the spd sandals for touring for a while.
“Properly Mint” … dibs on the band name
Spot on is your assessment of building your own bike with hydraulic. disc brakes, electronic shifting and everything hidden - even pro mechanics hate the setup of these bikes. I am close to 62 yo and bought a tiny Van Rysel EDR AF (L) with Centaur (= 830 Euro) for the reason not to deal with disc brakes and hidden cockpit; with short legs I bought Deda Zero100 (Anatomic 420 mm o-o/Stem 140 mm) with a Fizik Arione Saddle. Upgrading tires on the Calima Wheelset after winter (to Conti 5000) will suffice. The best upgrade was a Favero Duo Powermeter years ago - so you know what is holding you back (physical issues - wind - discrete ascending of a hill). Of course as a road bike racer I would grab a SRAM electric groupset with carbon frame (if way cheaper an Ultegra Di2 - advantage = wider range of cassettes).
I’ll never be able to say cues right again, thanks guys
For building your own bike - see if you have a local bike co-op. There is a bike co-op that is local to me that has a full service shop space and tools that is available to everyone to use if you don’t have the tools. And, if there are things you need help with the people there will help you work on your bike and assist as needed. This is all free but it is suggested to give a nice tip to whomever helped you with the maintenance or build or whatever. It can be a great way to learn how to build while having a lifeline for those trouble spots.
I got a new road bike to replace my 20 year old Giant. The new bike has 12 speed Ultegra with hydraulic discs. While I did not do the initial set-up, basic maintenance thus far has been much easier with the new bike. Any adjustments necessary to the shifting can be done on the app. I never could dial in shifting on cable shifters. We will see how my opinion changes when I have to bleed the brakes. :)
As long as wages aren't corrected for inflation it does not make it SEEM that stuff is more expensive, it actually IS more expensive.
Lowest level of GRX is 400, which is 10 speed Tiagra 4700 equivalent.
Essa exists below Cues covering 8 speed.
Cues road will need bigger chainset options than 40T for "normal" road bikes, due to smaller rolling diameter than gravel bikes.
Still wanting Ultegra 12 speed Mechanical.
I don't understand what is complicated about hydraulic brakes. It's a new skill, and yes, there are a lot of fiddly bits, but if you're buying a groupset, that's different than buying individual pieces and trying to put it together. And, changing spark plugs and an air filter is still the exact same on modern cars than when you were a kid, just more plastic to remove first. Always entertaining watching the podcast❤
3:11 he may be able to hear everything, but if there is a fire you are in trouble. The door serves to keep smoke out for as long as possible. Also, good luck having a good reaction is someone breaks in. Most people don't react well to a real break in because they are half asleep and disoriented. But, I guess jimmy is also an dealing with break ins too lol
actually i bought a ti mech hanger for my ti bike.
the idea of the ti on the mech hanger is to avoid galvanic corrosion when you have two different materials in contact!
Brilliant guys, really podcast, keep them going
I’ve always been confused about sub 105 components from Shimano so this Cues system is a great idea. If I’m in the market for a new groupo this is doings its job of making me pause about my consideration of the likes of LTWOO and Senseh in the mix.
Dot brake fluid is hygroscopic,so it attracts or absorbs moisture.
Thats why you should replace the fluid approximately every 2 years.
This question has been asked before and James who works with nick didn't know why.
Ask anyone who rides motorcycles and bicycles with a basic mechanical background will agree.
Hope this helps if not,theres always a TH-cam video on the subject 😂
Keep up the good work all.👍
No one likes planned obscolence. In the past (before Cues), riders could stick with their gear numbers and use the newest lower level groupsets' components as replacement parts. Had Ultegra 11s? Could use 105 11s when the newest Ultegra moved to 12s. This applied to pretty much the entire Shimano groupsets, except the last one at the bottom. With Cues, if they it's incompatible with 105 11s, it makes the 105 11s the most stuck groupset in Shimano's world. Everyone was waiting for Tiagra 11s and even its Di2 version. It's unlikely that Shimano would make 105 and Cues compatible, but I'll keep my fingers crossed, otherwise, I'll wait for the newest Sram Force.
They are not compatible. Cues is a mountain bike groupset, so it has very low cable pull ratio compared to the road only 11 speed which pull a lot of cable. As a result, Cues is almost, but not 100% compatible with Deore, although it is close enough that you can substitute parts and get it working pretty well. That then also means that it is nowhere near 11 speed road, for better or for worse. It does have the same pull ratios for 9, 10 and 11 speed, as well as drop bar and flat bar, which is great news for people on a budget like myself because you can now build a gravel bike with a huge rear cassette for not a lot. For rich people, there is GRX and SRAM AXS.
Great episode loved it thank you.
Here's an example of Shimano's current branding problem. I bought a bike 10 years ago. At the time I rode a bike with Claris and it sucked. I bought a 105 bike. It was amazing. From what I understand, Claris today is probably as good or better than the decade old 105. But in my mind it's Claris, so it sucks.
I use SPD sandals on the indoor trainer. Keeps the feet cool. Not used them outside because I know I will get an unlucky stone strike.
Long-distance touring cyclist Alee swears by SPD sandals. I vividly remember my brother wearing flip-flops on the back of a bicycle my mother was pedaling and sticking his foot in the spokes (he was fine after an emergency room visit and multiple stitches), so they're anathema for me.
Wow, Shimano cross compatibility, back to the old 8/9/10 speed days!
I owned a Cube Nuroad Pro, which I bought about 18 months ago. It has the lowest level of GRX (10-speed), which is equivalent to Tiagra.
It's a good bike for the price, I think. I bought it to replace a Decathlon Triban 520RC gravel bike, which got stolen. Compared to that one, the Cube is slower on smooth tarmac (probably because of the tires only), but is more stable offroad (especially on climbs).
I have the sod sandals with my gravel bike. No socks though 🤣. Love them!!!
Thank you all. For me that was your best ever. I live in the Gambia. I've recently had a somewhat catastrophic lie down and broken a rib. There are too many things to which I could offer replies so I won't try. Just to say, from an aging cyclist, drunk on whisky ( by far the cheapest and most effective painkiller available to me) at 7 o'clock in the morning , you all just made me laugh out loud for most of an hour. (Which, by the way, hurt like fuck - because of the broken rib- but, hey, thanks) Dx
Raced with a couple of those mini coke cans in back pocket and got wiped out in a crash. I landed on the cans and landed hard, bruised my kidneys and spent a week peeing blood. Ever since then, those mini cans have been known around our house as "Kidney Killers"
Excellent, enjoyable Ep, fanx.