Bonafide Kayak RVR119 Part 1 of 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Product Engineer Hans Nutz, designer of the new Bonafide RVR119 walks us through the features of this river focused fishing kayak, then I test it with the Torqeedo Ultralight 1103. Speed and range data is listed, then I demonstrate the RVR119's secondary stability by flipping and reboarding several times. Look for Part 2 of this video, which includes further feature reviews, a demonstration of how this boat handles whitewater, and some cold water river smallmouth pattern knowledge as Hans and I explore the French Broad River in western North Carolina.
As a Bonafide Team member, I was lucky to have been part of the input team. Love the way this rig turned out!
I’m really impressed with this company’s boats.
you mean you are impressed with their deceptive and dangerous capacity claims?
@@MysticalDragon73
No, the thoughtful design and layout.
@@jasonvenesky2438 While that may be, it still does not excuse their deceptive and dangerous capacity claims. This is why i will NEVER support this manufacturer again and call them out for it.
To have a boat this size with a 330lb capacity is crazy. Worse yet is that they market it at almost 100lbs more. People need to hold this companies feet to the fire until they stop this practice. At least they are now finally putting a disclaimer on their website which they didnt for years. This helps. But if you walk into most stores, their stat sheet still shows the listed capacity not the actual capacity.
Ill stick with my coosa x which is only an inch wider, 10lbs heavier but has a true 425lb capacity.
@@MysticalDragon73 bro u fricking toxic as hell every video about rvr and your 329 lb. Just go to Coosa chanel nobody really needs this toxicity.
@@artemporkhun1407 Sorry if you feel me calling out a company that is LIEING to its costumers and endangering them as toxic. Dont like it too bad. Im not the only one that does this and even chad hoover has called out these practices as some of the most dangerous out there and is working to get uniformity for it and get these misleading practices ended.
Suck it up buttercup.
All I can say is Wow! This is so well thought out!
Thanks for all you do Jeff. Nobody puts the work in that you do to provide every bit of information possible on the different kayaks. From just having fun, fishing and safety you cover it all
I’m glad that you appreciate it. I have a fun job, a lot of privilege and enjoy showing the many cool things happening in this sport.
@@TheLittleStuff if you ever need a helper to carry equipment I work cheap 😁
Awesome kayak, love the way the torqeedo and anchors intergrade.
I can’t wait to rig one up for myself!
You can tell Hans has massaged every one of his ideas to the nth degree. I like the ease which you were able to upright the Yak and reboard it Jeff.
Great video, looking forward to Part 2. 👍🏻
Looking forward to the video
That kayak has some awesome features. I'd love to see some of them incorporated in the SS127...But then I'd need to upgrade🤣
yes me to have a 127 wish could trade for the 119
I am really interested in what the weight of the boat will be. Really liking the design of the dual anchor system and that it has a skeg, I hit a lot of flat water on my rivers and sometimes you just need the boat to track like it is on rails.
Hans, I have a RS 117 that I like really well. Is there or will there be a mounting plate that I can use to put my regular trolling motor on my kayak? Don't have the funds for a new boat and definitely don't have the funds for the Torqeedo motor. Great vid.
Hmm, shoalie or rvr119?
Heck why not both. A man can never have too many kayaks.
I have a shoalie and really do like it. Bonafides have been hard for me to come by out here. I really wanted an ex123 but eventually just gave up. Seemed like the RVR would better if motorizing was a huge priority. I believe it was a little more efficient with a motor too. I’m just a paddler so that part isn’t a huge deal. Not sure you could go wrong with either choice.
I do more river than lakes and although I love my NuCanoe, I'm pretty interested in this.
be careful its only got a 330lb usable capacity. For the money ill take a coosa X.
You just throwing as mush shade as you can! 😂 Have fun with your Coosa!
@@christiangabrielortiz2918 Not at all I am calling out a LIEING deceiving and DANGEROUS practice. Its absurd that anyone would defend or support such nonsense. Whats it going to take, someone dieing in order for these manufacturers to stop these deceitful practices?
@@christiangabrielortiz2918 oh and BTW it was TG canoe nad kayak that evaluated it at a 329lb capacity on their on water review of it. Even bonafides bs methods of subtracting the boats weight from the capacity (which makes ZERO sense) has it at 340lbs which is still minimal for a boat this size and cost.
@@MysticalDragon73 boat is rated for 600 so that is person and gear….
Interesting. What do you think about the stability and tipping point of the ss127 compared to the rvr.
Totally different hull designs in terms of stability. The SS 127 has incredible PRIMARY stability. The RVR 119 has incredible SECONDARY stability. The SS 127 fights you on the lean immediately, as soon as you start to tilt. The RVR 119 lets you lean way over (an advantage in maneuvering quickly in whitewater) and stops the tilt deep into the lean. The SS 127 hits a certain angle of lean and just goes over like a lightswitch. The RVR 119 can be flipped but it’s such a gradual transition that can be easily saved with a brace, powerful forward stroke or draw stroke. Here’s an analogy: If the SS 127 flips like a lightswitch, the RVR 119 is one of those dimmer knobs that turn the lights down or back on in variable intensity of amounts of light coming from the bulb. Most people just feel that initial lack of PRIMARY stability and erroneously believe that it’s not a stable kayak. What a mistake! Attempt a brace. Practice the lean. Those drills will give you the correct reaction in rough waters - both whitewater and big water with breaking waves - situations in which a boat with amazing PRIMARY stability will betray you and dump you in that rough water like a lightswitch. Learn the lean.
@The Little Stuff thanks for the reply, and great analogy.
What’s the shallowest this boat can float without dragging?
Depends on who and what is in it. I’m guessing around 5 or 6 inches on average.
Im curious how much extra a motor will be for this boar
$2899
what anchor is that on the front please?
It’s an anchor wizard anchor
@@TheLittleStuff Thank you!
Would be nice if there was an option or replacement for the pod that is a simple flat plate. Otherwise some really nice features.
Will the kayak be rated for an 1103?
Who cares about a rating? There is no coast guard requirement for a rating. Hobie decided to put a rating on theirs, but it was a voluntary thing they did. NuCanoe did the same. Others don’t do it.
@@TheLittleStuff Just curious as a competitor in the KBF...if I attach an 1103 to it would I be in violation of a rule.
Btw the load capacity on this and the P127 is way to low.
Many guys are like me (250lbs), plus the motors and gear, these boats are dangerously too low to the water, Jeff looks like he's in a clown car that is sinking riding this rvr 119.
There is stability in a boat that lets water in then clears it immediately. Not everyone can feel comfortable right away with secondary stability. Not everyone can handle a wet ride. Those folks could buy a barge and stick with the lake, but even in big open, flat water a situation with sets of big breaking waves chasing a kayak angler to shore will require secondary stability (or a swim). I’m actually considering the RVR as a big water boat as a means to stay out in rough conditions, knowing that I can sweep stroke and brace my way out of a chasing, breaking wave trying to push my stern and boat sideways into a flip. Secondary stability is a good development in kayak fishing. Some will fear it. They will not be the early adopters, early majority or late majority.
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@@TheLittleStuff You TOTALLY miss the point river pirate was making. He wasnt talking stability he was talking capacity. Sorry most will be overloading this boat thinking they get a 425lb capacity when in fact they are getting far lower when you read bonafides fine print. The fact that you ignore this makes me question any validity of any review you do.
Exactly. I got burned with my SS127. I got it needing a boat with a good capacity. I was expecting to put 475lbs into it. However when I got loading it I got to about 375lbs and saw how low it was. The boat became unstable and dangerous. 4 months later TG canoe and kayak rated the usable capacity even lower. Since then bonafide has put a disclaimer out saying you need to include boat weight into the capacity. Had I known this, I NEVER would have gotten the boat. Now I am beyond pissed at bonafides deceptive and dangerous practices.
This boat, by bonafides calculations only has a 340lb capacity. TG canoe and kayak actually rated it lower at 329lbs. An average to larger paddler will overload this boat easily.
For this price point I'll take a Jackson Coosa X with a true 425lb capacity. It was even shown overloaded to 525lbs without affecting stability.
No internal storage?
I have another video coming next week “Hatch Hacks” - the last video in a series “RVR119 Build” That video will be part 16.
@@TheLittleStuff cool. My goal with my next kayak is camping/fishing adventures for multiday trips. The hull on that rvr looks thick and was hoping it contained hatches to access that space. Otherwise it’s a whole lot of wasted space.
Quite a bit of lean angle before it goes.
I think that what happens is that it lets water in a little at a notch on that rail. It’s different than other sit on top kayaks in that others have a solid rail and the water dumps across the entire length all at once. It makes it easy to save.
Weight?
I believe they said 85 with the chair.
LOL poor millennials I love it
If only Torqeedo wasn't ridiculously overpriced with proprietary batteries.
Why does a kayak motor have to cost as much or more then the whole kayak costs?
Stop being greedy and pricing normal people out of this amazing hobby!
I could buy a nice used bass boat or aluminum jon boat for the price of these motor/batteries.
That's why Newport Vessels got my money for a motor, and now will get even more with their new 3hp motor that is still less than HALF what your asking for your 2.5hp 1103 motor.
You need to wake up and make things for the average person to actually afford dude.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on motors, what things cost and alternative things to spend your money on. Normal people are enjoying kayak fishing. There are also some extraordinary people enjoying it too. As far as why Torqeedo motors and batteries costing what they do, there are some expensive components like rare earth magnets, lithium cells with thermal fuses and GPS modules. Product development resources such as my time, the time of product engineers, multiple prototypes to test and redesign, a service center network and other examples of innovation that comes with an original design - all of that is expensive. Of course there is a shortcut to innovation. th-cam.com/video/sncOFv2uSGY/w-d-xo.html
@@TheLittleStuff Sorry to be that guy.
Your tech is great, of that there is no doubt.
But as a guy that has been flying electric RC airplanes and racing RC cars and using lipo and brushless technology since it was in its infancy, (and before) I am very familiar with what these things are made of, and how cheap they have become and are, and how readily available they are.
The ingredients in your systems are not special or rare these days.
There is just no excuse for the crazy amount of money yall are charging for your stuff. It's why hardly anyone except rich people have them in use. I always look and talk to folks when I go out fishing, I have yet to find come across anyone using your kayak motors around the Metro DC region.
I know some people are, but it's very rare. Everybody I talk to wants to, but none are willing/able to spend that kind of money. Nobody wants to pay more for their motor and battery then their boat costs, it's just bad math.
You seem like a really great guy and all, but it is what it is.
I can have the new NK 300 and three 12v 50ah lifepo4 batteries in series for less than half what you are charging for your 1103 system, and I get more range/runtime, and more power/speed. Or go with the NK 180 and 2 12v lifepo4 50ah for even less money than that, which beats your 403AC system all around also.
Your system is waterproof, and idiot proof, that is very awesome, but that's not worth thousands of dollars to most people.
But yall are doing fine apparently catering to the rich and elite so keep doing you, while the other 98% of us buy from reasonable companies making reasonable products for everyday people.
All I am really saying is, because of your greed, you're missing out on most of the market, but that's your choice as a company.
Consumers vote with our wallets, and volume of sales and market share tells the story.
This tech will only get cheaper and more readily available as time goes on, if you don't adapt and bring your pricing back down to Earth, you may just price yourselves out of the kayak motor business before much longer and I would hate to see that, as we need innovative companies like Torqeedo, but not if you're going to price gouge consumers....