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Not going to lie, the way in which you did this sponsor segment was.... utterly bewildering. I honestly thought you were satirizing the shilling for this kind of thing for a hard moment. 😅 Like not even accusing you of anything! It just seems like your hype for it was very superficial, compared to say your.... manscaping ads. I doubt you will let this comment show on your sponsor reference post. Just want you to see this to let you know it could do with a bit of work.
A little bit of advice for more planned videos, I’d recommend you try just using cliff notes of what you want to talk about for each section. This one being fully scripted left it feeling quite wooden and we lost a lot of your natural charm that normally comes through. Congrats on getting a sponsor tho, and it was a great video with some nice editing that we don’t normally see!
This is some good constructive critisism! I get that he wanted to plan what to say and it probably also had something to do with the sponsor, but he sounded really weird an unnatural. Having cliff notes instead of the full script could work so much better.
Great to see Legend doing the scripted stuff, but to be honest if he started with:! Legend here and I’m about to tell you what the best five top total war games are! Now fack off 😅 (I can totally imagine him saying this)
@@SereglothIValso doing scripted videos are harder to do if you don’t do them regularly, speaking as a small TH-camr I prefer to go off topic more than scripted. Scripted requires an insane amount of dedication (this is my experience and I don’t claim to speak for others) if you do something consistently it becomes second nature
It's sooo damn good, not my most played or my fave but I think it had insane potential that was wasted by a dev team who seemed to have no idea what to do with it. I would love a fully developed max potential 3k2.
Funnily enough everything listed by Legend is some of the stuff I hate the most about it. Sure, figuring out generals that work together is fine when you have 2 armies. When you have 9 all over the place it's just a pain in the ass. But it did have a lot of potential that was never realized. Ironically potential that was never realized will always be my biggest issue with Total War games.
the diplomacy in 3k was genuinely revolutionary and I dearly wish they could have merged the forks between 3k and TWW3 to get that diplomacy system backported
Just dropping a comment for the algorithm and to say I thoroughly enjoyed this (perhaps one-off) format ! Disregarding the reading part lacking a bit of emotion (only needs practice and thus is of no importance really), I cannot state how GREATLY I appreciate the effort that went into the text itself. It is complete, well structured and filled with all the comprehensive details to both fully explain your reasonings and present the games in the most complete manner. I always learn knew things about Total War when watching your videos but this format is, I find, both the richest in information and the most structured , which, in my opinion, makes it very, very pleasing and interesting to watch. The visual editing is a plus as well : these nice, cinematic shots are not only pleasing to the eyes but add content to the speech, with a (nice) touch of humour and/or by illustrating what is being said. Not sure if we'll see another production-heavy vid like that any time soon, but I do applaud the effort that when into this one, cheers !
All I want in a Total War games are : - Population mechanic from RTW1 and 2-3 slot recruitment from Med2 (The challenge for dev is to make the AI play competently and not exhaust its population) - Chivalry-Dreadful mechanic with battle system from Med2 - Procedural generated battle map Other than those, I don't care whether it's a historical or fantasy setting.
Personally Id also like the unit management of Med2 in general. Trying to upgrade/modify armies in Total Warhammer is an utterly byzantine and tedious process. In M2 I was just phasing in and out units from armies, modifying for purpose, trying new things and accounting for losses/limited unit replacement.
Your personal taste in video games are completely wrong. I can’t believe you could be so wrong. My personal taste in games is right. You should educate yourself and take notes.
@@donkey9113 wow. You must be a scholar. A member of Mensa. A titan of intellectualism. You figured this out on your own? I am in awweee of your ability to see the core of human social behavior. It is an honor to have someone of your pedigree to comment on one of my obvious goofball comments. Thank you sir.
video is very clearly read from a script and i'm not sure i like it. perhaps legend just isn't used to reading a script because his content has almost always been more free-form talking? i understand that some audience are turned off by so-called 'yapping' and i appreciate that he's experimenting with his content to try and improve it. but it doesn't sound like 'legendoftotalwar' if that makes sense haha
LMAO OFF on the Attila reference “was designed for equipment that has been invented yet”! So true. I can run it on ULTRA but my laptop is literally hot enough to cook food on
Some people dont like it, but honestly, I really like that Legend took his time to think about what he wanted to say. It feels more professional from channel of over half a milion subs. Are you planning on doing these top 5 videos again? You have made plenty of those years ago and new games were released in that time and opinions may have shifted. I would love you to redo your top 5 series in 2024/2025 in this scripted less-yapping format.
Had to check twice if this was a LTW video, and I understand why such a huge difference in delivery, the sponsor. Really happy to see such a big sponsor. Congratulations!
Hm, my list would be 1. Warhammer 3 2. Medieval 2 (especially the DAC mod) 3. Shogun 2 4. Fall of the Samurai 5. Empire/Napoleon (I have a soft spot for naval battles and musket warfare)
Medieval 2, particularly with the Stainless Steel Mod Shogun 2 Rome 1 Attila Warhammer II, with Juggernaut999's rebirth mod Honorary Mention goes to Napoleon
@@irishtom30 Stainless Steel is an overhaul mod for Medieval II that works according to an approach I think of as "the same game, but more!" The map is enlarged, there's more factions and more units. There's more customization and two different start dates to play. The various expansions such as Crusades and Teutonic have some of their elements folded back into the base game. It's the sort of mod that just makes the game better at what it's already good at.
Two TW games that I hold above the rest though did not age great is the classic Rome total war, and the disliked Empire total war. Shotgun 2 is also goated.
Cut Scenes and Papal Elections in ME II made it my all time favourite. TW III is probably better but its streamlined, and you don't get the ME II Cut Scenes, Map Agent Actions, Family Trees, dismounting before a Battle, scheduling your Reinforcements like you actually command them and Fanatics in Cowls who looked adorable. There was so much you could tinker with making your little World a better place and scheming to slowly expand your Empire. I can't ever remember a time when the Player Base was angry about ME II but its been a while.
I've been randomly watching a ton of your older content, including all the old Top 5's you used to do and loving them. This just came across my suggested content feed and I assumed it was years ago too, but super happy to see it's coming out today instead. Love the content, Legend!
Your video style has really changed and gotten a lot better over the years. It's really nice to see. Looking forwards to hopefully many more years of your videos.
I get why he maybe wouldn't want to go into it, but not mentioning TATW when talking about Medieval II seems like a real oversight. Like, "mod support" in general as a perk is one thing, but I'd bet that a significant portion of the game's current playerbase (by Steam numbers, at least) are people running that conversion specifically.
@@h0ll0wknight16 The campaign map is second to none, diplomacy is great and sea battles are great.... everything else granted is terrible lol. Which is why i would love for empire 2 to be the next medieval title.
Hi legend, on the off chance you read this I just wanted to give you some feedback on the new format of the video. I appreciate the work that's gone into it, it's undoubtedly more concise and the cinematics really add to the experience especially for new viewers , that may ultimately help you in the algorithm. However as a a long time viewer I do appreciate the previous style of video where you have a habit of going off topic slightly and rambling about things normally not in the main script of todays video, i've learnt a lot from your off piste analysis. However It's all absolutely fine, It's sill a good video, I just don't want it to become 100% of your vids going forward. Your vids always felt so personable before and that's one of the main reasons i liked them. Also congrats on the new sponsor, that's really great for the channel :)
WH 3 is easily the one with the most potentially and also the one with the most missed potential and strange design/balancing decisions. Mods are absolutely crucial to make it into a great experience
Honestly I like the BOTET mod for Medieval Two a lot more than Total war Warhammer, the only thing I really like about Total War Warhammer is the design of the ui, everything else, the mechanics, the battles, they way all the units seem to float and have the weight of clouds, I just really regret spending the money honestly, BOTET is a great mod and perfectly represents the lore and vibe of the setting, on top of this medieval two remains a better game at its core than the newer titles, the mechanics and engine it brings still offer a great deal more potential than anything modern CA is able to deliver on.
I'm pretty sure Empire also had the mechanic of using population in recruitment. I vividly remember playing as Great Britain and having real problems in holding the starting area in Canada because the population was just some hundreds and every recruited unit took 100+ men from that.
I think if TW:WH had permadeath for everyone like classic TWs i'd give it more favour. The is no strategy, or tactics, or formation, to deal with a level 30 Tyrion running at you. Can i beat him? Yeah, of course. But it has nothing to do with any skill, ploy, ruse, or maneuver on my part.
Congratulations on the sponsor for the video, I am impressed. As far as the list goes, I appreciate that the variety, it was a good trip down memory lane and an opportunity to try other games!
Glad to see 3K getting the recognition it deserves for what it has done so well, and I really hope the new historical titles implement and even further improve those mechanics.
If a medieval 3 game were created, i think it should be developed the way that Warhammer I-III was. Instead of trying to do what M2TW did with a 500 year campaign and the full map, break the game down into smaller chunks that are more manageable for development (like if TW kingdoms was created first). Slowly merge the campaigns together into a grand campaign that goes from the new world to the borders of india. This also gives the developers time to iterate/adjust campaign mechanics in a way that a 1 and done game can't.
I almost completely agree with you, But I would put total war shogun 2 at the spot of medieval 2. Medieval is great but it does feel like an old game. Where I would argue Shogun feels Newer than most total war games brought out prior to warhammer 3, because of how smooth everything works in the game.
Good points. "The sieges have been dreadful the entire way form WH1 to 3 and yet somehow they keep getting worse.. siege rework rework when?" LOL I was talking about the sieges in WH3 with a friend yesterday and this line sums it all up. ...also congrats on the W sponsor :)
NGL Medieval Total War 1 is an absolute banger. I started playing it again last year and had a great time. Its a LOT more challenging that Medieval 2 as well. You can start at 3 time periods and tehy basically function as difficulties, early is easy to even sometimes hard, high is medium to hard and late is hard to even near impossible with some. Much more of a 4x the live combat is weaker but that 4x is really cool, set up in a chessboard style. And my god is trade powerful. You have to do a lot more of governor watching though. Positive and negative traits have a lot of power. If you try to play though you need to set the resolution in game to a higher size or it crashes a few yerars into the campaign. Idk why it both breaks and corrects it but it fixes it.
I've been playing napoleon and shogun recently. MoSS mod for shogun is still a ridiculous overhaul i come back to every few years. (but quite a lot of content bloat ngl, so many units, so many buildings, the base game is itself such a fun streamlined experience, so depending on what you like its something to try out!). Unlike Attila (which Legend mentioned at 1:52) Napoleon did eventually (aka last year... when they were forced to go back and removed chat from all the games) get a fix for its small issue of not running on modern hardware, and its still to me a far more polished and enjoyable experience to anyone who liked Empire TW. SS and SSHIP for M2TW are other mods I'd recommend.
I'm suprised Dynasties didn't get honorable mention, it is surprisingly good and I would argue that on par with ROME and Three Kingdoms. If not for W3 that would be the comeback story of the year.
Rome1: Deep battles and management 3k: Deep diplomacy S2: Deep battles M2: Deep battles and management WH3: Broad I don't get it. I well and truly don't understand the staying power of WH3.
Welp, I never understood how Assassin's Creed could have exploded the way it did after the boring and overloaded first game. Same mission 3 times and overloaded in detached collectathons. As for Warhammer, probably the arcadedyness is the big draw. I played a bit of the historical TWs (orig Rome, Shogun 2) and I absolutely HATE it when a great general kicks the bucket because he got the flu or some stupid BS. Yes, in the historical setting it makes perfect sense, no I don't want it as a gameplay mechanic. I rather play the arcadey Warhammer or Three Kingdoms ( immortal lords, romance battles with strong lords) than the historical ones with all their fiddling and managing outside of battles, no more than light diplomacy and maybe clicking the upgrade button on a building, please and thank you.
Just so you know, sounding wooden when reading from a script isn't an eternal problem; it can improve with practice. So don't be too discouraged. A good video, that aside!
I only really have a top 3 since I haven't played the rest of them. Shogun in number 3, Warhammer 3 in number 2, and empire total war takes the first spot. That game with the full re-master "Darth Mod" makes it an extremely unique experience. In warhammer 3 I mostly auto-battle, but in empires with darthmod I prefer to play every battle manually.
Check out "Pirates Uber Alles" mod for Empire. Darthmod is great, i played it for long time myself, but its old. PUA is bigger, more advanced and still getting updates. Many people say "Empire 2 mod" is also great. I have not checked it yet but it is on my to do list.
Been loving going back to Three Kingdoms and it is a shame it got left where it is, currently playing a campaign as Dong Zhou and the worst thing is the random spawns of 1-2 looter armies in the back corner of my kingdom that are too high tier to defend with just minor settlement garrisons.
Medieval 2 mods are the best, especially Thord Age and its submode "Divide and Conquer". But TWW3 is by far the best TW experience, let's enjoy it for as long as possible!
I'm also hoping it's a fake, maybe to catch the attention from casual Sci-Fi fans and catch them for WH 40K (which prior to Space Marine 2 release wasn't this widely popular as it is now)
I totally agree regarding Medieval 2 having the best mods because you can actually make total conversions. None of the TW game from the last 10 years or so lets you do that
Never played 3K or Rome. Medieval 2 (with stainless steel mod) was amazing, as was Shogun2 (the only game where gunpowder units FEEL like gunpowder units, unlike SOME knockoffs "coughs" Empire "coughs". WH3 won me over with the dwarf update, I'm actually enjoying it now. The crisis system is dumb though, still hoping they rework it someday And the sieges suck. I'm surprised not to see Attila on the list. If I were to do a top5 list Attila would tie #3 with shogun2. If only they fixed some day-1 bugs in the game and had a sensible politics system (or none at all). Huge respect to all the modders out there, making even bad titles playable
1. Med 2 (especially with mods like Tsardoms, Botet and all the Chinese and Russian ones which are getting translated or have been, the game is an entire game library on its own). 2. Shogun fall of the samurai (not my cup of tea but it is objectively in this position). 3. Napoleon (the Great war mod is good, personally I prefer empire a little bit, but only due to the scope, this is the better game) 4. Attila (the Russians have done it again and created a brilliant mod for this called fireforged, the base game is alright, but suffers from the warscape engine and the bad design choices of CA) 5. Three Kingdoms (not my cup of tea really, but it is beautiful, in an interesting setting and CA were worse when they cancelled the necessary expansions for this than when they decided any of their recent titles were a good idea, the game suffers from the lack of scope, and it feels unambitious despite what it is. In time the Chinese might perfect what they were given, but this is another case where at the moment med 2 mods rival the game itself). Rome is a classic but a dated one, I do prefer EB1 to EB2, but maybe I'm just not committed enough to ancient history.
Shout out to the original TW Shogun that got the ball rolling, and got me (and several mates) into the whole franchise. While basic compared to later offerings, if it'd been shit, we'd have never bought anything of the following games.
My only issue with Medieval 2 is the camera controls.. to a small degree the unit controls as well, alt drag is is such a hard habit to break, thanks for the great video Legend
I loved Empire and the cool sea battles. I wish they'd create a new version with a global map. My ranking: 1. Warhammer 3 2. Medieval 2 3. Empire 2 4. Shogun 2 5. Rome 2
I never gave much thought to tw attila until yiu said how good the battles were than i gave it another real shot and along with medieval 2 and warhammer 3 it is now my favourite tw game
Took me a while to realize this wasnt Legend experimenting with an AI version of himself. I dont mind the more scripted format but maybe better to keep it to talking points for yourself instead of just reading out a word for word script.
The Province system and reduced number of structures is, for me, the worst change in TW history. I wish we can go back to Rome 1 system, where a minor camp can become the largest city on the map, where you can end up having one single settlement but with the highest tier defenses and units, where the major empires constantly throw armies at your walls to no avail....
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Not going to lie, the way in which you did this sponsor segment was.... utterly bewildering. I honestly thought you were satirizing the shilling for this kind of thing for a hard moment. 😅
Like not even accusing you of anything! It just seems like your hype for it was very superficial, compared to say your.... manscaping ads. I doubt you will let this comment show on your sponsor reference post. Just want you to see this to let you know it could do with a bit of work.
His top Total War games until the ULTIMATE Total War game releases.... TW Hyenas!! He'll never play anything else!
Oh gosh that is a good joke
Oh hello gbog, you have a banger channel.
Nah man, it’s Total War: My Little Pony or bust!
😂🥲😂
@@bluemilkalienmonster522 Unironically, I would play Total War: MLP
This sounds like a top tier AI legendofTotalWar
Legend reading a script doesn't sound natural at all.
It sounds fine, you're just not used to it.
Honestly it's how he used to sound unscripted as well, before he got speaking experience through streaming
Yeah, it's weird. What's next? Multiple takes and editing? It's as if somebody is holding a gun to his head and now I am seriously worried.
Idk if you watched his super old Medieval 2 videos some of them sound scripted. This sound exactly like that.
Nothing sounds natural when you listen in 1.5 or more :)
A little bit of advice for more planned videos, I’d recommend you try just using cliff notes of what you want to talk about for each section.
This one being fully scripted left it feeling quite wooden and we lost a lot of your natural charm that normally comes through.
Congrats on getting a sponsor tho, and it was a great video with some nice editing that we don’t normally see!
This is some good constructive critisism! I get that he wanted to plan what to say and it probably also had something to do with the sponsor, but he sounded really weird an unnatural. Having cliff notes instead of the full script could work so much better.
Great to see Legend doing the scripted stuff, but to be honest if he started with:! Legend here and I’m about to tell you what the best five top total war games are! Now fack off 😅 (I can totally imagine him saying this)
@@SereglothIValso doing scripted videos are harder to do if you don’t do them regularly, speaking as a small TH-camr I prefer to go off topic more than scripted. Scripted requires an insane amount of dedication (this is my experience and I don’t claim to speak for others) if you do something consistently it becomes second nature
"Siege rework. Rework. When."
Legend sounds so different when reading off a script
I’m so happy in spite of all its fatal flaws, three kingdoms made this list. It’s a beautifully ambitious game- and was killed off too early.
it's basicaly the best modern historical title
It's sooo damn good, not my most played or my fave but I think it had insane potential that was wasted by a dev team who seemed to have no idea what to do with it. I would love a fully developed max potential 3k2.
Yes. It has the most potential.
I love playing it back then
Funnily enough everything listed by Legend is some of the stuff I hate the most about it. Sure, figuring out generals that work together is fine when you have 2 armies. When you have 9 all over the place it's just a pain in the ass. But it did have a lot of potential that was never realized.
Ironically potential that was never realized will always be my biggest issue with Total War games.
the diplomacy in 3k was genuinely revolutionary and I dearly wish they could have merged the forks between 3k and TWW3 to get that diplomacy system backported
Troy number 1? Never thought i'd see the day!
TROY SWEEP
love the bait
It makes sense really, Troy just got it all tbh and you even have trojan horses
I bet this new sponsor is much more profitable than most of his other sponsors. Great to see!
Just dropping a comment for the algorithm and to say I thoroughly enjoyed this (perhaps one-off) format !
Disregarding the reading part lacking a bit of emotion (only needs practice and thus is of no importance really), I cannot state how GREATLY I appreciate the effort that went into the text itself. It is complete, well structured and filled with all the comprehensive details to both fully explain your reasonings and present the games in the most complete manner.
I always learn knew things about Total War when watching your videos but this format is, I find, both the richest in information and the most structured , which, in my opinion, makes it very, very pleasing and interesting to watch.
The visual editing is a plus as well : these nice, cinematic shots are not only pleasing to the eyes but add content to the speech, with a (nice) touch of humour and/or by illustrating what is being said.
Not sure if we'll see another production-heavy vid like that any time soon, but I do applaud the effort that when into this one, cheers !
That's the single most well-edited legend's video, lol. Very nice work, man!
All I want in a Total War games are :
- Population mechanic from RTW1 and 2-3 slot recruitment from Med2 (The challenge for dev is to make the AI play competently and not exhaust its population)
- Chivalry-Dreadful mechanic with battle system from Med2
- Procedural generated battle map
Other than those, I don't care whether it's a historical or fantasy setting.
Personally Id also like the unit management of Med2 in general. Trying to upgrade/modify armies in Total Warhammer is an utterly byzantine and tedious process. In M2 I was just phasing in and out units from armies, modifying for purpose, trying new things and accounting for losses/limited unit replacement.
If all five arent the original Medieval, the list is wrong.
Edit: the list is wrong!
1. Medieval II
2. Medieval II: Crusades
3. Medieval II: Britannia
4. Medieval II: Teutonic
5. Medieval II: America
😂
Your personal taste in video games are completely wrong. I can’t believe you could be so wrong. My personal taste in games is right. You should educate yourself and take notes.
You tried so hard to be funny, that’s what makes this post actually funny
@@donkey9113 wow. You must be a scholar. A member of Mensa. A titan of intellectualism. You figured this out on your own? I am in awweee of your ability to see the core of human social behavior. It is an honor to have someone of your pedigree to comment on one of my obvious goofball comments. Thank you sir.
"my personal taste in videogames is incorrect" 😂😂😂
video is very clearly read from a script and i'm not sure i like it. perhaps legend just isn't used to reading a script because his content has almost always been more free-form talking?
i understand that some audience are turned off by so-called 'yapping' and i appreciate that he's experimenting with his content to try and improve it. but it doesn't sound like 'legendoftotalwar' if that makes sense haha
probably has more to do with the sponsor asking to see and approve a script as part of the agreement
Tbf this video seems to be more aimed at people newer to his channel, the veterans probably already knew his opinions
Fall of the Samurai, always the classic.
LMAO OFF on the Attila reference “was designed for equipment that has been invented yet”! So true. I can run it on ULTRA but my laptop is literally hot enough to cook food on
Some people dont like it, but honestly, I really like that Legend took his time to think about what he wanted to say. It feels more professional from channel of over half a milion subs.
Are you planning on doing these top 5 videos again? You have made plenty of those years ago and new games were released in that time and opinions may have shifted.
I would love you to redo your top 5 series in 2024/2025 in this scripted less-yapping format.
Empire at number 1 is crazy
Had to check twice if this was a LTW video, and I understand why such a huge difference in delivery, the sponsor. Really happy to see such a big sponsor. Congratulations!
Justice for Attila! If only it got similar subsequent attention than Rome 2... 😢
Hm, my list would be
1. Warhammer 3
2. Medieval 2 (especially the DAC mod)
3. Shogun 2
4. Fall of the Samurai
5. Empire/Napoleon (I have a soft spot for naval battles and musket warfare)
I would kill for empire with napoleon ai and stability
I'm still waiting for a day they will finally do Empire 2
Medieval 2, particularly with the Stainless Steel Mod
Shogun 2
Rome 1
Attila
Warhammer II, with Juggernaut999's rebirth mod
Honorary Mention goes to Napoleon
What does the stainless steel mod change?
@@irishtom30 Adds units, factions, expands the map by about 1/5, focuses on historical accuracy.
@@irishtom30 Stainless Steel is an overhaul mod for Medieval II that works according to an approach I think of as "the same game, but more!"
The map is enlarged, there's more factions and more units. There's more customization and two different start dates to play. The various expansions such as Crusades and Teutonic have some of their elements folded back into the base game.
It's the sort of mod that just makes the game better at what it's already good at.
Rome 2 as No 1 or we riot
1. WH3
2. Three Kingdoms
3. MED2
4. Shogun 2
5. Attila
Aye that’s a nice fucking sponsor you got there mate, good for you
PLEASE MAKE MORE CONTENT LIKE THIS !!!
I like your disaster battles and streams, but this I LOVE
I really loved three kingdoms total war. Put a ton of hours into it
Two TW games that I hold above the rest though did not age great is the classic Rome total war, and the disliked Empire total war. Shotgun 2 is also goated.
Glad to see 3K make the list
Are we back with Top 5 videos? great!
Cut Scenes and Papal Elections in ME II made it my all time favourite. TW III is probably better but its streamlined, and you don't get the ME II Cut Scenes, Map Agent Actions, Family Trees, dismounting before a Battle, scheduling your Reinforcements like you actually command them and Fanatics in Cowls who looked adorable. There was so much you could tinker with making your little World a better place and scheming to slowly expand your Empire. I can't ever remember a time when the Player Base was angry about ME II but its been a while.
I've been randomly watching a ton of your older content, including all the old Top 5's you used to do and loving them. This just came across my suggested content feed and I assumed it was years ago too, but super happy to see it's coming out today instead. Love the content, Legend!
Your video style has really changed and gotten a lot better over the years. It's really nice to see. Looking forwards to hopefully many more years of your videos.
I get why he maybe wouldn't want to go into it, but not mentioning TATW when talking about Medieval II seems like a real oversight. Like, "mod support" in general as a perk is one thing, but I'd bet that a significant portion of the game's current playerbase (by Steam numbers, at least) are people running that conversion specifically.
I agree with basically everything you said. I gotta say, if Dynasties gets a Mythos dlc, it would very likely get in my top 5
WH3, Rome 2, Shogun 2, Empire, Medieval 2. in that order.
Ew Empire
@@h0ll0wknight16 The campaign map is second to none, diplomacy is great and sea battles are great.... everything else granted is terrible lol. Which is why i would love for empire 2 to be the next medieval title.
@@liammorris1018 The campaign map where the entirety of France is a single fucking province?
@@LinusLinothorax all countries were a single fucking province... What's your point?
Hi legend, on the off chance you read this I just wanted to give you some feedback on the new format of the video. I appreciate the work that's gone into it, it's undoubtedly more concise and the cinematics really add to the experience especially for new viewers , that may ultimately help you in the algorithm. However as a a long time viewer I do appreciate the previous style of video where you have a habit of going off topic slightly and rambling about things normally not in the main script of todays video, i've learnt a lot from your off piste analysis. However It's all absolutely fine, It's sill a good video, I just don't want it to become 100% of your vids going forward. Your vids always felt so personable before and that's one of the main reasons i liked them.
Also congrats on the new sponsor, that's really great for the channel :)
WH 3 is easily the one with the most potentially and also the one with the most missed potential and strange design/balancing decisions. Mods are absolutely crucial to make it into a great experience
Honestly I like the BOTET mod for Medieval Two a lot more than Total war Warhammer, the only thing I really like about Total War Warhammer is the design of the ui, everything else, the mechanics, the battles, they way all the units seem to float and have the weight of clouds, I just really regret spending the money honestly, BOTET is a great mod and perfectly represents the lore and vibe of the setting, on top of this medieval two remains a better game at its core than the newer titles, the mechanics and engine it brings still offer a great deal more potential than anything modern CA is able to deliver on.
Cool video! Making me think about going back to Medieval 2 or Shogun 2 cuz when I played those as a kid I was such a noob lol
I'm pretty sure Empire also had the mechanic of using population in recruitment. I vividly remember playing as Great Britain and having real problems in holding the starting area in Canada because the population was just some hundreds and every recruited unit took 100+ men from that.
Yeah, it's pretty pointless though since most starting population is so high
Honestly, Dynasties deserves to be on this list non ironically.
I think if TW:WH had permadeath for everyone like classic TWs i'd give it more favour.
The is no strategy, or tactics, or formation, to deal with a level 30 Tyrion running at you.
Can i beat him? Yeah, of course. But it has nothing to do with any skill, ploy, ruse, or maneuver on my part.
Congratulations on the sponsor for the video, I am impressed.
As far as the list goes, I appreciate that the variety, it was a good trip down memory lane and an opportunity to try other games!
The avatar conquest & drop in battles in shogun 2 was amazing, its a shame that CA didnt see the potential in later titles
Glad to see 3K getting the recognition it deserves for what it has done so well, and I really hope the new historical titles implement and even further improve those mechanics.
If a medieval 3 game were created, i think it should be developed the way that Warhammer I-III was.
Instead of trying to do what M2TW did with a 500 year campaign and the full map, break the game down into smaller chunks that are more manageable for development (like if TW kingdoms was created first). Slowly merge the campaigns together into a grand campaign that goes from the new world to the borders of india.
This also gives the developers time to iterate/adjust campaign mechanics in a way that a 1 and done game can't.
I find it very bizzare that each total war game does one awesome thing that is never used again
Why i always watch threw legends adds? Couse hes reliable, the adds are short, relevant, and entertaining. Other creators could learn.
I almost completely agree with you, But I would put total war shogun 2 at the spot of medieval 2. Medieval is great but it does feel like an old game. Where I would argue Shogun feels Newer than most total war games brought out prior to warhammer 3, because of how smooth everything works in the game.
Good points.
"The sieges have been dreadful the entire way form WH1 to 3 and yet somehow they keep getting worse.. siege rework rework when?" LOL
I was talking about the sieges in WH3 with a friend yesterday and this line sums it all up.
...also congrats on the W sponsor :)
NGL Medieval Total War 1 is an absolute banger. I started playing it again last year and had a great time. Its a LOT more challenging that Medieval 2 as well. You can start at 3 time periods and tehy basically function as difficulties, early is easy to even sometimes hard, high is medium to hard and late is hard to even near impossible with some. Much more of a 4x the live combat is weaker but that 4x is really cool, set up in a chessboard style. And my god is trade powerful. You have to do a lot more of governor watching though. Positive and negative traits have a lot of power.
If you try to play though you need to set the resolution in game to a higher size or it crashes a few yerars into the campaign. Idk why it both breaks and corrects it but it fixes it.
I've been playing napoleon and shogun recently. MoSS mod for shogun is still a ridiculous overhaul i come back to every few years. (but quite a lot of content bloat ngl, so many units, so many buildings, the base game is itself such a fun streamlined experience, so depending on what you like its something to try out!). Unlike Attila (which Legend mentioned at 1:52) Napoleon did eventually (aka last year... when they were forced to go back and removed chat from all the games) get a fix for its small issue of not running on modern hardware, and its still to me a far more polished and enjoyable experience to anyone who liked Empire TW. SS and SSHIP for M2TW are other mods I'd recommend.
I'm suprised Dynasties didn't get honorable mention, it is surprisingly good and I would argue that on par with ROME and Three Kingdoms. If not for W3 that would be the comeback story of the year.
Funny your sponsor is Asus Rog, I just got my Asus Rog G16 and I'm having a blast with it playing WH3, R2, Attila and Empire
Rome1: Deep battles and management
3k: Deep diplomacy
S2: Deep battles
M2: Deep battles and management
WH3: Broad
I don't get it. I well and truly don't understand the staying power of WH3.
Welp, I never understood how Assassin's Creed could have exploded the way it did after the boring and overloaded first game. Same mission 3 times and overloaded in detached collectathons.
As for Warhammer, probably the arcadedyness is the big draw. I played a bit of the historical TWs (orig Rome, Shogun 2) and I absolutely HATE it when a great general kicks the bucket because he got the flu or some stupid BS. Yes, in the historical setting it makes perfect sense, no I don't want it as a gameplay mechanic. I rather play the arcadey Warhammer or Three Kingdoms ( immortal lords, romance battles with strong lords) than the historical ones with all their fiddling and managing outside of battles, no more than light diplomacy and maybe clicking the upgrade button on a building, please and thank you.
Shogun 2 + expansions are still my most played TW game, even the graphics holds up well.
Why I was expecting to hear something like :
To 2028 with Legend, our country our choice, One mission one Purpose, and shits like those at any moment?
Just so you know, sounding wooden when reading from a script isn't an eternal problem; it can improve with practice. So don't be too discouraged. A good video, that aside!
A Top 5 video? We are so back
Your personal opinion is incorrect legend!! How can you put TW Warhammer on 1st place
I only really have a top 3 since I haven't played the rest of them. Shogun in number 3, Warhammer 3 in number 2, and empire total war takes the first spot. That game with the full re-master "Darth Mod" makes it an extremely unique experience. In warhammer 3 I mostly auto-battle, but in empires with darthmod I prefer to play every battle manually.
Check out "Pirates Uber Alles" mod for Empire. Darthmod is great, i played it for long time myself, but its old. PUA is bigger, more advanced and still getting updates. Many people say "Empire 2 mod" is also great. I have not checked it yet but it is on my to do list.
Been loving going back to Three Kingdoms and it is a shame it got left where it is, currently playing a campaign as Dong Zhou and the worst thing is the random spawns of 1-2 looter armies in the back corner of my kingdom that are too high tier to defend with just minor settlement garrisons.
This video is absolutely amazing! The commentating is superb, everything about it is just great. More videos like this when?
Medieval 2 mods are the best, especially Thord Age and its submode "Divide and Conquer". But TWW3 is by far the best TW experience, let's enjoy it for as long as possible!
Rome 2 with DEI mod is PEAK
Never played mods, so I read it like Rome2 with "Diversity, equity and inclusion" mod lol
I’ve heard some very mixed opinions on it. I haven’t played myself, but just based on steam description it sounds VERY bad.
An edited LoTW video was not on my 2024 bingocard, but it was great. More of this please.
I really wish i could afford TW:WH3, but it's tough even when it's on discount.
SAME rome remastered and three kingdoms are the last ones I bought. Oh and my totally bought copy of WH2!
There are sites on internet where you can get 3 really cheap for around 16 euros...
i hope the leak about the newest total war being star wars is fake, i wonder how they will implement it.
I'm also hoping it's a fake, maybe to catch the attention from casual Sci-Fi fans and catch them for WH 40K (which prior to Space Marine 2 release wasn't this widely popular as it is now)
I totally agree regarding Medieval 2 having the best mods because you can actually make total conversions. None of the TW game from the last 10 years or so lets you do that
My problem with 3 kingdoms is that there are soo many characters that I cant even keep track of my allies or enemies lollll.
Just to point out there are 8 765H in a year day and night... our boy has spent almost a full on year playing TTW3 with no breaks
Never played 3K or Rome. Medieval 2 (with stainless steel mod) was amazing, as was Shogun2 (the only game where gunpowder units FEEL like gunpowder units, unlike SOME knockoffs "coughs" Empire "coughs". WH3 won me over with the dwarf update, I'm actually enjoying it now. The crisis system is dumb though, still hoping they rework it someday And the sieges suck. I'm surprised not to see Attila on the list. If I were to do a top5 list Attila would tie #3 with shogun2. If only they fixed some day-1 bugs in the game and had a sensible politics system (or none at all). Huge respect to all the modders out there, making even bad titles playable
1. Med 2 (especially with mods like Tsardoms, Botet and all the Chinese and Russian ones which are getting translated or have been, the game is an entire game library on its own).
2. Shogun fall of the samurai (not my cup of tea but it is objectively in this position).
3. Napoleon (the Great war mod is good, personally I prefer empire a little bit, but only due to the scope, this is the better game)
4. Attila (the Russians have done it again and created a brilliant mod for this called fireforged, the base game is alright, but suffers from the warscape engine and the bad design choices of CA)
5. Three Kingdoms (not my cup of tea really, but it is beautiful, in an interesting setting and CA were worse when they cancelled the necessary expansions for this than when they decided any of their recent titles were a good idea, the game suffers from the lack of scope, and it feels unambitious despite what it is. In time the Chinese might perfect what they were given, but this is another case where at the moment med 2 mods rival the game itself).
Rome is a classic but a dated one, I do prefer EB1 to EB2, but maybe I'm just not committed enough to ancient history.
I was literally thinking last night you should update this list.
Shout out to the original TW Shogun that got the ball rolling, and got me (and several mates) into the whole franchise. While basic compared to later offerings, if it'd been shit, we'd have never bought anything of the following games.
When I pray for Total War, I pray they make Medieval 3 just....90% as good as 2.
My only issue with Medieval 2 is the camera controls.. to a small degree the unit controls as well, alt drag is is such a hard habit to break, thanks for the great video Legend
It says a lot about TW:WH that even at its absolute, buggiest worst, the gameplay experience of Mortal Empires still smokes all the other TW games.
Pharoh has had a decent update recently which has improved it.
I loved Empire and the cool sea battles. I wish they'd create a new version with a global map.
My ranking:
1. Warhammer 3
2. Medieval 2
3. Empire 2
4. Shogun 2
5. Rome 2
15 000 hours is pretty wild not gonna lie
@Legend, if you are held hostage - blink twice!
Imagine a WW1 Total War
I agree with this list completely, these are the 5 games I constantly have in rotation when I want to play TW.
1. WH3 2. Med 2 3. Shogun 2 4. Attila 5. Rome
Medieval 2 amazing mods are also another selling point
EDIT: Just saw the end of the vid lol
Top 3 has to be obviously Empire, R2 and Troy? Wait, what, am I the only one? :P
I never gave much thought to tw attila until yiu said how good the battles were than i gave it another real shot and along with medieval 2 and warhammer 3 it is now my favourite tw game
The top 5 Total War games that I am still playing in 2024: WH3, Atilla, and that's it.
Attila best historical total war by far
Totally agree, wh3 #1 and Atilla #2
Attila has aswell one kf the best dlcs in history and ofcourse medieval mod@@bogdan5411
Atilla has its issues, but the battles themselves are just so fun to play
i never got into atila but i got it late and by the time it feelt outdated. Nowdays i have trouble playing any older TW :(
This is one of the best videos you've done. Would love to see a video on mods you recommend
Man I missed these top 5/10's, hope there are more to come
Took me a while to realize this wasnt Legend experimenting with an AI version of himself. I dont mind the more scripted format but maybe better to keep it to talking points for yourself instead of just reading out a word for word script.
Med 2 & SG 2
legend's exciting voice when promoting sound so awkward lol
Legend u should rly try the 1212 ad for attila ! Its basically medieval 3
The Province system and reduced number of structures is, for me, the worst change in TW history. I wish we can go back to Rome 1 system, where a minor camp can become the largest city on the map, where you can end up having one single settlement but with the highest tier defenses and units, where the major empires constantly throw armies at your walls to no avail....
Can you also do a top mod for 2024 for Total War games