Zeeshan brother you gave the similar example Imam Abu Hanifa gave the atheist back in his time, when he told them a tree fell and dismantled and pieces of wood were formed and then a boat was created by itself so I could cross the river and come meet you. This really deserves a great appreciation to slam a simple yet captivating example into their faces. Proud of you
@@rindcrime There's a video on youtube called, Imam Hanifa dig the grave of Prophet Muhammad SAW, or something like that title, and I remember from that video so please do go and watch it, it encapsulates even more aspects of the Imam along with this one :)
@@rindcrime Ibn Abi al-‘Izz reported: It is said that *Abu Hanifa,* may Allah have mercy on him, was approached by some (atheists) philosphers who intended to discuss with him the oneness of Allah’s Lordship. Abu Hanifa said, “Before we discuss this question, tell me what you think about a boat in the Euphrates, which goes to shore, loads itself with food and other things, then returns, anchors and unloads all by itself, without anyone sailing or controlling it?” They said, “This is impossible.” Abu Hanifa said, “If it is impossible with a boat, then how is it possible for the world, in all its vastness, to move by itself?” Source: Sharḥ al-‘Aqīdah al-Ṭaḥāwīyah 1/35 عن ابن أبي العز الحنفي وَيُحْكَى عَنْ أَبِي حَنِيفَةَ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ أَنَّ قَوْمًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكَلَامِ أَرَادُوا الْبَحْثَ مَعَهُ فِي تَقْرِيرِ تَوْحِيدِ الرُّبُوبِيَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ أَخْبِرُونِي قَبْلَ أَنْ نَتَكَلَّمَ فِي هَذِهِ الْمَسْأَلَةِ عَنْ سَفِينَةٍ فِي دِجْلَةَ تَذْهَبُ فَتَمْتَلِئُ مِنَ الطَّعَامِ وَالْمَتَاعِ وَغَيْرِهِ بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَعُودُ بِنَفْسِهَا فَتُرْسِي بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَتَفَرَّغُ وَتَرْجِعُ كُلُّ ذَلِكَ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يُدَبِّرَهَا أَحَدٌ فَقَالُوا هَذَا مُحَالٌ لَا يُمْكِنُ أَبَدًا فَقَالَ لَهُمْ إِذَا كَانَ هَذَا مُحَالًا فِي سَفِينَةٍ فَكَيْفَ فِي هَذَا الْعَالَمِ كُلِّهِ عُلْوِهِ وَسُفْلِهِ 1/35 شرح العقيدة الطحاوية
Zeeshan has such a calming influence in the way he explains thing. Never seen him forcing or thrusting opinions and explanations at Speakers Corner. One can feel the Ikhlas and concern for non believers in the way he gives Dawah. Those are the manners Allah SWT mentions in the Quran for Dawah i.e. to convey the message of Allah with wisdom and the best of manners. May Allah reward him. When all these factors combine, what he says is bound to touch people's heart and make it soft if they are honest and willing.
Glorify Undefinable, The Answerer or The Harmonizer of Matter Controllers of Body, By eternal Existence hope to Undefinable alone, be Serene and judge by how Matter executes, the Identity can exist in every possibility! Ask guidance and what You can't get to The Answerer, THAT allowed You into this body, THAT gave truth for clean-minded in subconscious, and increase the way! All ways in their depth mentions Lord of Existence, don't take what's unknown, until You will understand it! Compose Your own makings, and You will be supported! Blessed is Controller of Man united with intuition and subtle joy! That relies to The Originator alone, That chooses by the best, That hears brainwaves and sees eye pixels! The life can be mastered, for rules were made simple to Observant! Don't be fearful of destiny, as We're parts of Possibilities, that have freewill with Serenity! With wonders of environment and fasting, be satisfied! Forbid high anti-nutrient, PUFA, synthetic food - allow wheatgrass, fruit seeds and fermented food! About gifts and goals for Tranquil based at logical Universe's config. Experiencer of senses, Observer's ownership over alive structure Stable systems serve nature and Matter has shape memory and pair likes, don't change perfected bodies! Simulation theory is insufficient, and lucid dreams are managed by nutritionally sufficient and aware! Challenging are the days of Dullness and a sad burden to anyone that didn't seek independence, no first-cause was miracle-free! Great are the days of Responsibility that nourish the Soul! We always existed! Every Position is possible, You are in this body! World is created for Spectator's favor! Multiverse is in balance for Purpose! Viewer's event record is forever! Any place is special! By Foundations: Praise The Harmonizer!
I leave behind me two things, The Quran and My Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray. - Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam ❤️
As i see it, Energy created the universe, the universe had stars and planets, the planets became habitable, life grew out of them and thats where we are now. we humans are a 1 in infinity chance of existing. thats why there isn't much life on mars or saturn. So technically, something non-living created something living, just drawn out over billions of years. Also, it is a belief but so is Buddhism and they don't follow a God, just a man who gave them a set of rules to follow. Much like how law enforcement gives us a set of rules to follow like don't kill, don't steal, etc...
You're right Atheism is a belief as is Islam, I didn't hear anything in his stories that proves there was any kind of creator (I don't discount there may have been), but until that proof arrives I will still believe that nature CREATES new life (from nothing) everyday, haven't seen any kind of God do anything in any respect.
Plus logically he just contradicted himself by say u can get anything from nothing, so how did the creator come into existence, surely he must have come from nothing
Brother Zeeshan is getting better and better everyday. The most important thing that makes him different from other speakers is his calm composure, which I also find in Brother Suboor.
A response would be tantamount to trying to rebuild from a pile of lego bricks. Doesn't change the fact that the original tower was already broken down piece by piece and exposed for the absurdity that it is.
They just have filmed their opinions If they really want discussion Calm place is mandatory firstly And Answer some real questions Not for that those they already prepared 😂
Beautiful beautiful explanation! That's how dawah should be ! Engage them in the way Allah commands. May Allah reward you brother and protect your family
exactly my thought. they're saying god exists because of how "perfect" the part of the universe, how it's livable, while justifies every imperfection with "working in mysterious ways."
O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as friends if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you - then it is those who are the wrongdoers. Quran 9:23
@@moholah3745why did prophet Noah peace be upon him left his son behind in the flood and why did Prophet Lut peace be upon him left behind his wife When the city got destroyed by Allah permission. I think now you understood the at least something from the verse that you copy pasted. May Allah guide us!
Mashallah Ya Zeeshan, love the way you explain things in a calm logical way.And not aggressive or emotional. May Allah reward you. A true asset to the Ummah, and someone I'm proud to refer to others to listen to on youtube.
Yes! Save all the aggression towards Muslim women who show their hair, right? Beat them to death in the street. Of course, this would make Allah happy, right???
@@Imbalanceee1233212 did you take that as a comeback ? I was asking him, what was the purpose of that comment. If he had actually went from Islam, he would not be watching this video. He would know that, this would be a time waste
Ibn Abi al-‘Izz reported: It is said that *Abu Hanifa,* may Allah have mercy on him, was approached by some philosphers who intended to discuss with him the oneness of Allah’s Lordship. Abu Hanifa said, “Before we discuss this question, tell me what you think about a boat in the Euphrates, which goes to shore, loads itself with food and other things, then returns, anchors and unloads all by itself, without anyone sailing or controlling it?” They said, “This is impossible.” Abu Hanifa said, “If it is impossible with a boat, then how is it possible for the world, in all its vastness, to move by itself?” Source: Sharḥ al-‘Aqīdah al-Ṭaḥāwīyah 1/35 عن ابن أبي العز الحنفي وَيُحْكَى عَنْ أَبِي حَنِيفَةَ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ أَنَّ قَوْمًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكَلَامِ أَرَادُوا الْبَحْثَ مَعَهُ فِي تَقْرِيرِ تَوْحِيدِ الرُّبُوبِيَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ أَخْبِرُونِي قَبْلَ أَنْ نَتَكَلَّمَ فِي هَذِهِ الْمَسْأَلَةِ عَنْ سَفِينَةٍ فِي دِجْلَةَ تَذْهَبُ فَتَمْتَلِئُ مِنَ الطَّعَامِ وَالْمَتَاعِ وَغَيْرِهِ بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَعُودُ بِنَفْسِهَا فَتُرْسِي بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَتَفَرَّغُ وَتَرْجِعُ كُلُّ ذَلِكَ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يُدَبِّرَهَا أَحَدٌ فَقَالُوا هَذَا مُحَالٌ لَا يُمْكِنُ أَبَدًا فَقَالَ لَهُمْ إِذَا كَانَ هَذَا مُحَالًا فِي سَفِينَةٍ فَكَيْفَ فِي هَذَا الْعَالَمِ كُلِّهِ عُلْوِهِ وَسُفْلِهِ 1/35 شرح العقيدة الطحاوية
@@saadaden7769 because a car was created by man. And pretty much everything that was “created” out side of mans hands is explainable through natural processes.
@@saadaden7769 ps. I never said it wasn’t possible. Just much more likely to be made up by humans. There is nothing original with any religion. Modern or old. So the idea one is the ultimate truth even though it was derived by an older version, is totally crazy to me. Then again. Who knows. Maybe Mormans are the only ones to get it right. But I doubt it...
@@saadaden7769 it’s not a gamble. I couldn’t pretend to believe in something I don’t. Even if I had everyone convinced, the almighty would know. If there is an Allah, Buddha, or Christ; I’m sure he would agree that pretending is worse then following a diluted or knowingly ignorant truth. If there is, then I’m sure none of this matters, and it is between he and I.
Ibn Abi al-‘Izz reported: It is said that *Abu Hanifa,* may Allah have mercy on him, was approached by some philosphers who intended to discuss with him the oneness of Allah’s Lordship. Abu Hanifa said, “Before we discuss this question, tell me what you think about a boat in the Euphrates, which goes to shore, loads itself with food and other things, then returns, anchors and unloads all by itself, without anyone sailing or controlling it?” They said, “This is impossible.” Abu Hanifa said, “If it is impossible with a boat, then how is it possible for the world, in all its vastness, to move by itself?” Source: Sharḥ al-‘Aqīdah al-Ṭaḥāwīyah 1/35 عن ابن أبي العز الحنفي وَيُحْكَى عَنْ أَبِي حَنِيفَةَ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ أَنَّ قَوْمًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكَلَامِ أَرَادُوا الْبَحْثَ مَعَهُ فِي تَقْرِيرِ تَوْحِيدِ الرُّبُوبِيَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ أَخْبِرُونِي قَبْلَ أَنْ نَتَكَلَّمَ فِي هَذِهِ الْمَسْأَلَةِ عَنْ سَفِينَةٍ فِي دِجْلَةَ تَذْهَبُ فَتَمْتَلِئُ مِنَ الطَّعَامِ وَالْمَتَاعِ وَغَيْرِهِ بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَعُودُ بِنَفْسِهَا فَتُرْسِي بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَتَفَرَّغُ وَتَرْجِعُ كُلُّ ذَلِكَ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يُدَبِّرَهَا أَحَدٌ فَقَالُوا هَذَا مُحَالٌ لَا يُمْكِنُ أَبَدًا فَقَالَ لَهُمْ إِذَا كَانَ هَذَا مُحَالًا فِي سَفِينَةٍ فَكَيْفَ فِي هَذَا الْعَالَمِ كُلِّهِ عُلْوِهِ وَسُفْلِهِ 1/35 شرح العقيدة الطحاوية
Nice try trying to sound smart. You clearly don’t know what a circular argument is A circular argument would be saying “my religion is true because my religion says so” His argument wasn’t circled in the least it’s called the teleological argument and has existed for thousands of ears and has never ever been criticized by any serious logician’s as circular!
@@ob1kendobe you are right he has never shown God to be real therefore his argument isn't grounded in reality. Its the same as arguing that the tooth fairy likes molars better than incisors. It doesn't matter because there isn't any evidence for ither Allah or the tooth fairy. If you start with a premise that 'God says' then you are saying he exists. Learn how to identify premise, then try again.
@@corypalmer5538 again you keep trying to sound smart His premise is simple Design is logical proof for a designer Movement is logical proof for a mover Your belief that design and movement can come to existence from nothing or due to long periods of time is insanity Your belief , yes you actually have a believe system, is the real fairy tale
@@ob1kendobe you need to show a designer of the universe if your going to claim one(still havent seen evidence for your god). Science makes no such declarations you are claiming. The truth about the origin of the universe is unknown and to claim otherwise is ignorance and arrogance. Your claim of a mover is lacking a mover (GOD). Again you are making a claim without producing any evidence to your first premise(designer and mover). Where is the mystery man? As for long periods of time... well this is the only evidence the universe has provided leading us to the conclusion that Time and evolution is most likely answer. God is too much of a coward to defend himself instead of letting you come up with weak arguments that a child could easily defeat. Your so full of yourself that you couldn't even tell me how you eliminated all the other possibilities for a universe to come about. Maybe try a better argument.
this argument has been used 1400 years ago by Imam Abu hanifa may allah bless him he also smashed an athiest like this guy with such magnificent example god bless you bro.
Science is based on theories, when science said the sun was stationary, Quran said it had its orbit 1400 years ago, Quran said the earth was round, Quran said moon has borrowed light, etc. Quran even explains embryo, which is impossible for even a humans to explain without having modern technologies, “Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would have certainly found in it many inconsistencies.” An-Nisa', Ayah 82
Science is based on theories, when science said the sun was stationary, Quran said it had its orbit 1400 years ago, Quran said the earth was round, Quran said moon has borrowed light, etc. Quran even explains embryo, which is impossible for even a humans to explain without having modern technologies, “Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would have certainly found in it many inconsistencies.” An-Nisa', Ayah 82
@@mohammedsalman292 where did God come from? Who created God? Because if you claim he just exsists by himself without being created that's the most illogical answer ever. Because everything has to have a beginning in order to exsist
@@mohammedsalman292 quran claims that you should dip a fly(creatures that usually feast on food waste and feces) in your drink if it falls because one of it's wings contains a disease and other a cure to the disease(al bukhari 3320)
Are you kidding me? This was a gish gallop of bad analogies. The car is a manufactured object, of course it’s ridiculous to expect it to put itself together. The kid with the cookie story includes the evidence to expose the kid’s lie. If you stop bombarding your interlocutor with bad arguments, maybe you could learn why your ideas are so faulty. Where the universe came from and how has nothing to do with not believing in a god. Man, you squeezed so many bad ideas into such a short video, I’m actually impressed.
Well isn't it obvious what the point of all his arguments is? It's just if you don't do anything to a specific thing, then nothing will happen to that thing which if you put that in a bigger picture, it includes the Universe which is hard to believe that it just popped from existence. Think about it. If it was a "natural phenomenon" then what was the first occurrence of the so called big bang. Your 2nd to last statement is the most ignorant of all. If you believe in a god then you believe he created everything. Which includes the Universe which cannot just pop out of existence. We know the Universe started from a big bang, so how did the big bang occur?
@@indophobichunter8108 what are you reading? Who said that? The very definition of God is the one who is uncreated. No beginning, middle or end. He didn't pop out of no where. He always was.
@@kennedyngenzi6578 that makes no sense whatsoever beliving something exsists just like that without ever being created makes no sense whatsoever and not only that it's the most illogical claim ever
@@kennedyngenzi6578 how can something exsist without being created? And now don't say universe came from nothing because it didn't u need to learn the basics of physics and other science to understand the beginning of universe also matter can be created from energy meanwhile matter cannot start existing on its own
@@indophobichunter8108 Listen, we're either saying the same thing. But miscommunication is confusing everything. Or you don't understand the basic of physics or other sciences. There are three possibilities for the creation of the universe. 1) The universe created itself. Not possible since nothing cannot make something. 2) The Universe was created by the big bang which was the result of a single point expanding. But even before the single point collapsed on itself forming the big bang, it must have been something else. So if that singular point was the creation of something else and that was the creation of something else. Then you have an infinite regress. Not plausible as well. 3) The universe was created by something which was also created. Again infinite regress. 4) The universe was created by something uncreated. I.e God. You can't even comprehending what is out there in the universe yet you're ruling out God. When all of creation points to signs of an intelligent creator. Don't be a clown man.
MashaALLAH Young Imam Abu Hanifa, Nice way to use argument in our time. Awesome Video great graphics, Best way to explain it makes people think , Br. zeeshan May ALLAH swt give you long long healthy life make you strong. increase you more and more in knowledge and wisdom and accept your beautiful work of dawah for the service of ISLAM and Muslims Ameen Ameen Ameen
Ibn Abi al-‘Izz reported: It is said that *Abu Hanifa,* may Allah have mercy on him, was approached by some philosphers who intended to discuss with him the oneness of Allah’s Lordship. Abu Hanifa said, “Before we discuss this question, tell me what you think about a boat in the Euphrates, which goes to shore, loads itself with food and other things, then returns, anchors and unloads all by itself, without anyone sailing or controlling it?” They said, “This is impossible.” Abu Hanifa said, “If it is impossible with a boat, then how is it possible for the world, in all its vastness, to move by itself?” Source: Sharḥ al-‘Aqīdah al-Ṭaḥāwīyah 1/35 عن ابن أبي العز الحنفي وَيُحْكَى عَنْ أَبِي حَنِيفَةَ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ أَنَّ قَوْمًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكَلَامِ أَرَادُوا الْبَحْثَ مَعَهُ فِي تَقْرِيرِ تَوْحِيدِ الرُّبُوبِيَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ أَخْبِرُونِي قَبْلَ أَنْ نَتَكَلَّمَ فِي هَذِهِ الْمَسْأَلَةِ عَنْ سَفِينَةٍ فِي دِجْلَةَ تَذْهَبُ فَتَمْتَلِئُ مِنَ الطَّعَامِ وَالْمَتَاعِ وَغَيْرِهِ بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَعُودُ بِنَفْسِهَا فَتُرْسِي بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَتَفَرَّغُ وَتَرْجِعُ كُلُّ ذَلِكَ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يُدَبِّرَهَا أَحَدٌ فَقَالُوا هَذَا مُحَالٌ لَا يُمْكِنُ أَبَدًا فَقَالَ لَهُمْ إِذَا كَانَ هَذَا مُحَالًا فِي سَفِينَةٍ فَكَيْفَ فِي هَذَا الْعَالَمِ كُلِّهِ عُلْوِهِ وَسُفْلِهِ 1/35 شرح العقيدة الطحاوية
I like how brother Zeeshan always gives the most simplest explanation in the most best manners Ma Sha Allah! I wish the full video was uploaded where we could here the athiest's questions as well.
Out of all religions, the Muslim faith I respect the most although I’m lost on the idea that just because something is, that means it must must’ve been made. Which given the examples seems to be the premise of the explanation. May be wrong though and definitely not an atheist yet I am agnostic
Thank you for respecting islam. I also respect you for coming here just for learning someone else view on some certain thing. Any kind of knowledge out there is worth it to learn. I hope you can keep on study any kind of theology, ideology, understanding or opinion out there be it from islam or not. Human have a average lifespan of around 60-80 years. Nothing to lose for just spending a little bit of time learning something. I hope one day you can even spend much more of your time learn about islam. May Allah give you guidance.
@@harizu_5182 Your response is touching sir, so thank you for taking the time to write it. Quite honestly I guess I’m more inclined to learn a science or a skillset over spending time spiritually to research any form of religion. That being said I’m told you don’t find allah/god (I’m British btw) you discover him. Peace be upon you brother
@@cynicallyhonest98 well then this explanation does make sense, you can't make anything out of nothing, there is some source of energy and someone is doing work, as we speak. All systems in the universe follow certain laws, and the millionth of a second during the expansion of the universe if any form of changes to our fundamental constants were made from what they are now, the universe wouldn't be as we know it today. Alhamdulillah, don't you think if there's laws there's a law maker for this universe. And also that such things are mentioned in the Qur'an. If you think all religious books were only good for mediaeval era then look again, I would suggest reading the Qur'an or atleast looking at the observed and temporal miracles in it. You won't be disappointed, science has always been a tool for checking which model of religion is the right one, infact that's one of the reason why science flourished in Muslim countries earlier.
First i would like say thank you for respecting Islam. I'm gonna attempt to try to answer your question. You difficult with "something is, that means it must be made" it is not just something but something that is intelligently designed, something that is so complex and genius which makes you think someone (intelligent designer) must be behind this.
Ibn Abi al-‘Izz reported: It is said that *Abu Hanifa,* may Allah have mercy on him, was approached by some philosphers who intended to discuss with him the oneness of Allah’s Lordship. Abu Hanifa said, “Before we discuss this question, tell me what you think about a boat in the Euphrates, which goes to shore, loads itself with food and other things, then returns, anchors and unloads all by itself, without anyone sailing or controlling it?” They said, “This is impossible.” Abu Hanifa said, “If it is impossible with a boat, then how is it possible for the world, in all its vastness, to move by itself?” Source: Sharḥ al-‘Aqīdah al-Ṭaḥāwīyah 1/35 عن ابن أبي العز الحنفي وَيُحْكَى عَنْ أَبِي حَنِيفَةَ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ أَنَّ قَوْمًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكَلَامِ أَرَادُوا الْبَحْثَ مَعَهُ فِي تَقْرِيرِ تَوْحِيدِ الرُّبُوبِيَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ أَخْبِرُونِي قَبْلَ أَنْ نَتَكَلَّمَ فِي هَذِهِ الْمَسْأَلَةِ عَنْ سَفِينَةٍ فِي دِجْلَةَ تَذْهَبُ فَتَمْتَلِئُ مِنَ الطَّعَامِ وَالْمَتَاعِ وَغَيْرِهِ بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَعُودُ بِنَفْسِهَا فَتُرْسِي بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَتَفَرَّغُ وَتَرْجِعُ كُلُّ ذَلِكَ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يُدَبِّرَهَا أَحَدٌ فَقَالُوا هَذَا مُحَالٌ لَا يُمْكِنُ أَبَدًا فَقَالَ لَهُمْ إِذَا كَانَ هَذَا مُحَالًا فِي سَفِينَةٍ فَكَيْفَ فِي هَذَا الْعَالَمِ كُلِّهِ عُلْوِهِ وَسُفْلِهِ 1/35 شرح العقيدة الطحاوية
When talking about the beginning/creation of the universe, the beginning of the physical law of the universe, the beginning of 'nature' itself, what other explanation can you give but to go beyond nature to 'supernatural causes'?
@@shahinshah1907 So you want to do the argument from personal incredulity: your idea is true or likely true unless I can provide an alternative. Nice. Additionally, we don't know that the laws of the universe or nature had a beginning. All that we know had a beginning is entropic time. Also, he appealed to things we infer for our daily lives. When we look for causes in our daily lives, we appeal to natural causes, not supernatural ones.
@@lhvinny You failed to understand what I said. The universe is subject to natural laws but God, the Creator, by His very nature, is not bound by time and space and natural laws. Talking of a low entropy universe, the Nobel Laureate mathematician Sir Roger Penrose calculated that the probability of that happening at the beginning randomly, by chance, is 10 to the power of 10 ×123. So, the odds of that not occurring randomly but from design, intelligence and an omnipotent Creator speaks for itself.
@@shahinshah1907 Random chance or God did it is a false dichotomy. I have no use for your logical fallacies. You only attached this to the word "entropy," even though the idea of a random chance universe was not brought up by me or anyone other than you. It is almost as if you are desperately clinging to words seen without understanding them. Omnipotence is not defended by the Penrose calculation. Even at more favorable, it would only mean that the creator of the universe would have to be powerful enough to create this particular universe, not any powers beyond or in addition to that. Also, intelligence is not defended by the Penrose calculation either. This is why apologetics fail: you are desperately trying to shoe-horn attributes into arguments that are not justified. At no point did I put limits on what God could or could not do, so I have no idea why you are bringing that up. It is almost as if you are following a script instead of actually reading what was said. The natural laws are descriptions of what the universe does, not prescriptions. Likewise, I have no evidence indicating that what laws gods are or are not subject to. All I have are assertions made by people like you with exactly zero evidence to back up that assertion. Show me where you or anyone else subjected God to tests to see if the natural laws apply to it or not. I bet you can't.
Cars are man made. However there are lots of beautiful things in nature that grow by themselves. No intelligent creator needed for lightning, sand dunes, snow flocks, supernova clouds, stars and ... the universe itself. There isn't a shred of evidence that an intelligent being is required. You're applying the well knowns (and describer) watchmakers fallacy here.
You don't see bananas and apples grow on the same trees. You don't see water coming out from the volcanoes. Everything is working as a flawless system. A car needs a design by an intelligent creator, but way more complex things don't need an intelligent creator. Nice!
@@badshahSelamet "You don't see bananas and apples grow on the same trees." Ever heard about DNA? There is a reason we do not give birth to cats and dogs. " Everything is working as a flawless system." Thats an argument of incredulity. "A car needs a design by an intelligent creator, but way more complex things don't need an intelligent creator. Nice!" There is no evidence whatsoever that anything in nature needs a designer. Given enough time and enough chemical reactions it will evolve into more complex structures. There is sufficient scientific evidence to support that claim and there is no evidence to the contrary
Great vid, Jazakallah khair. I would suggest that you change your phrasing in the titles a little since it comes off as clickbaity and belittling of the other side even though he seemed pretty respectful to you. Also it's not fitting of a conversation about Allah swt and Islam. Take care brother and may Allah aid you in the dawah.
Zeeshan brother you gave the similar example Imam Abu Hanifa gave the atheist back in his time, when he told them a tree fell and dismantled and pieces of wood were formed and then a boat was created by itself so I could cross the river and come meet you. This really deserves a great appreciation to slam a simple yet captivating example into their faces. Proud of you
Subhanallah.... Is there a reference for this beautiful story?
@@rindcrime There's a video on youtube called, Imam Hanifa dig the grave of Prophet Muhammad SAW, or something like that title, and I remember from that video so please do go and watch it, it encapsulates even more aspects of the Imam along with this one :)
Jazakallah sister or brother
Yes he used this example against Atheist and he said the same thing for boat ⛵ .
@@rindcrime
Ibn Abi al-‘Izz reported: It is said that *Abu Hanifa,* may Allah have mercy on him, was approached by some (atheists) philosphers who intended to discuss with him the oneness of Allah’s Lordship. Abu Hanifa said, “Before we discuss this question, tell me what you think about a boat in the Euphrates, which goes to shore, loads itself with food and other things, then returns, anchors and unloads all by itself, without anyone sailing or controlling it?” They said, “This is impossible.” Abu Hanifa said, “If it is impossible with a boat, then how is it possible for the world, in all its vastness, to move by itself?”
Source: Sharḥ al-‘Aqīdah al-Ṭaḥāwīyah 1/35
عن ابن أبي العز الحنفي وَيُحْكَى عَنْ أَبِي حَنِيفَةَ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ أَنَّ قَوْمًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكَلَامِ أَرَادُوا الْبَحْثَ مَعَهُ فِي تَقْرِيرِ تَوْحِيدِ الرُّبُوبِيَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ أَخْبِرُونِي قَبْلَ أَنْ نَتَكَلَّمَ فِي هَذِهِ الْمَسْأَلَةِ عَنْ سَفِينَةٍ فِي دِجْلَةَ تَذْهَبُ فَتَمْتَلِئُ مِنَ الطَّعَامِ وَالْمَتَاعِ وَغَيْرِهِ بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَعُودُ بِنَفْسِهَا فَتُرْسِي بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَتَفَرَّغُ وَتَرْجِعُ كُلُّ ذَلِكَ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يُدَبِّرَهَا أَحَدٌ فَقَالُوا هَذَا مُحَالٌ لَا يُمْكِنُ أَبَدًا فَقَالَ لَهُمْ إِذَا كَانَ هَذَا مُحَالًا فِي سَفِينَةٍ فَكَيْفَ فِي هَذَا الْعَالَمِ كُلِّهِ عُلْوِهِ وَسُفْلِهِ
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Your style of debating is fantastic. No aggression or disrespect, just straight logic.
Pure delusion
@@haywardjeblomey6505 yes, I agree that this is your condition
@@QashMaz I'm not the one with the imaginary friends
@@haywardjeblomey6505 I'm not the one who believes in Harry Potter type magic.
@@haywardjeblomey6505 Life is too short so find God before it's too late my friend
Reminds me of the story of Imam Abu Hanifa and the atheist
I don't know that one, can you tell me about it?
Yeah neither do I.
Most likely he got inspiration of this argument from the story
Exactly. Imam Abu Hanifa gave example of boat and wood.
@@ImTheDot yep can't agree more
Zeeshan has such a calming influence in the way he explains thing. Never seen him forcing or thrusting opinions and explanations at Speakers Corner. One can feel the Ikhlas and concern for non believers in the way he gives Dawah. Those are the manners Allah SWT mentions in the Quran for Dawah i.e. to convey the message of Allah with wisdom and the best of manners. May Allah reward him. When all these factors combine, what he says is bound to touch people's heart and make it soft if they are honest and willing.
Editing top notch brother
بارك الله فيك أخي وزادك في هذه النعمة
BOOM, top class answer, left him startled. May Allah guide his heart ameen
ameen amigo
Mate we didn’t even hear his response lol
No comment on the situation in Iran? oh thats right you defend Islam even when it is used to oppress and murder people
Aameen 💛
Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him" (Bukhari 9.84.57).
Zeeshan is so good ,what an asset to the ummah,may Allah bless him and his family
Thanks!
This went so deep. The atheist was probably rethinking his entire life after that!
Jazakallahu Khairan!
Trure
Glorify Undefinable, The Answerer or The Harmonizer of Matter
Controllers of Body, By eternal Existence hope to Undefinable alone, be Serene and judge by how Matter executes, the Identity can exist in every possibility!
Ask guidance and what You can't get to The Answerer, THAT allowed You into this body, THAT gave truth for clean-minded in subconscious, and increase the way!
All ways in their depth mentions Lord of Existence, don't take what's unknown, until You will understand it! Compose Your own makings, and You will be supported!
Blessed is Controller of Man united with intuition and subtle joy! That relies to The Originator alone, That chooses by the best, That hears brainwaves and sees eye pixels!
The life can be mastered, for rules were made simple to Observant! Don't be fearful of destiny, as We're parts of Possibilities, that have freewill with Serenity!
With wonders of environment and fasting, be satisfied! Forbid high anti-nutrient, PUFA, synthetic food - allow wheatgrass, fruit seeds and fermented food!
About gifts and goals for Tranquil based at logical Universe's config. Experiencer of senses, Observer's ownership over alive structure
Stable systems serve nature and Matter has shape memory and pair likes, don't change perfected bodies!
Simulation theory is insufficient, and lucid dreams are managed by nutritionally sufficient and aware!
Challenging are the days of Dullness and a sad burden to anyone that didn't seek independence, no first-cause was miracle-free!
Great are the days of Responsibility that nourish the Soul! We always existed! Every Position is possible, You are in this body!
World is created for Spectator's favor! Multiverse is in balance for Purpose! Viewer's event record is forever! Any place is special! By Foundations: Praise The Harmonizer!
The athiest was confused why apes in this place infront of him haven't evolved yet !
@@pranavs8162 like how we have people who think drinking an animals p1ss..is progress and normal. Some people are worse then apes aint they🤷♂️
@@pranavs8162 you were in front of him?
The editing is soooo good. Good job proud of you Subhanallah
I leave behind me two things, The Quran and My Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.
- Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam ❤️
Yeh my bruda ❤
Is not sunnah, he left ahlul bayt kakakakakakkak these sunnis are só misguided
@Nuaym Umair then show me in your book of Muslim. Kakakaka
SubhanAllah
There are no gods and the two sources you mentioned were written by masterbaters.
He was very respectful and paying attention. May Allah guide the brother to Islam Ameen
Because Zeeshan was treating him respectfully and reasoning calmly. Unlike some others.
agreedos! ameen
phenomenal answer by our brother Smile 2 Jannah, with the help of reason. May Allah reward you.
Props to the editor! Tremendous job man 🔥🔥🔥
Just tell atheist that until they create life from non living matter, atheism is just another belief. They will be humbled.
Masha Allah
As i see it, Energy created the universe, the universe had stars and planets, the planets became habitable, life grew out of them and thats where we are now. we humans are a 1 in infinity chance of existing. thats why there isn't much life on mars or saturn. So technically, something non-living created something living, just drawn out over billions of years. Also, it is a belief but so is Buddhism and they don't follow a God, just a man who gave them a set of rules to follow. Much like how law enforcement gives us a set of rules to follow like don't kill, don't steal, etc...
You're right Atheism is a belief as is Islam, I didn't hear anything in his stories that proves there was any kind of creator (I don't discount there may have been), but until that proof arrives I will still believe that nature CREATES new life (from nothing) everyday, haven't seen any kind of God do anything in any respect.
Plus logically he just contradicted himself by say u can get anything from nothing, so how did the creator come into existence, surely he must have come from nothing
Brother Zeeshan is getting better and better everyday. The most important thing that makes him different from other speakers is his calm composure, which I also find in Brother Suboor.
I would’ve loved to see that man’s response. Cutting it short and calling it “dismantling” is not fair
I’m pretty sure the full version is out there somewhere. Stop being a snowflake and go look for it
A response would be tantamount to trying to rebuild from a pile of lego bricks. Doesn't change the fact that the original tower was already broken down piece by piece and exposed for the absurdity that it is.
Bruh there is no response to that
As you can clearly see the atheist was left in a shock he simply can't comeback with a response
Thank you brother, I'm still an atheist.
They just have filmed their opinions
If they really want discussion
Calm place is mandatory firstly
And
Answer some real questions
Not for that those they already prepared 😂
Atheist is a person who's open to learning, it would be injustice if you call yourself atheist. Perfect word for you would be ignorant
الله اكبر ☝🏽
This is by far the best approach I’ve ever seen to clarify the truth 😂👍🏽
Beautiful beautiful explanation! That's how dawah should be ! Engage them in the way Allah commands. May Allah reward you brother and protect your family
Mashalla, this was thoughtful and eye opening for all people listening
In Jannah, I'd wanna see you and Imam Abu Hanifah discuss this analogy بإذن الله 😁
MashaAllah brother zeeshan the way you just explained everything was simply mesmerising 🙏🏼❤️
so the entire argument boils down to thinking that all atheist believe the universe just pops out of nowhere? lol
exactly my thought. they're saying god exists because of how "perfect" the part of the universe, how it's livable, while justifies every imperfection with "working in mysterious ways."
Best class he attended in a while 😁
O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as friends if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you - then it is those who are the wrongdoers. Quran 9:23
@@moholah3745 so?
@@moholah3745why did prophet Noah peace be upon him left his son behind in the flood and why did Prophet Lut peace be upon him left behind his wife When the city got destroyed by Allah permission.
I think now you understood the at least something from the verse that you copy pasted.
May Allah guide us!
Wallah I just heard the story of Imam Hanifa yesterday 😳 and today this similar story
Wow, Subhanallah
Mashallah Ya Zeeshan, love the way you explain things in a calm logical way.And not aggressive or emotional. May Allah reward you. A true asset to the Ummah, and someone I'm proud to refer to others to listen to on youtube.
Yes! Save all the aggression towards Muslim women who show their hair, right? Beat them to death in the street. Of course, this would make Allah happy, right???
Why can't I speak like that?
I can say this to my friends but after one additional question I get lost "0-1 to him"
because he is being illogical any illogical stuff can be said with ease by anyone🤦♂️🤦♂️
As an atheist I thought 😮💨 well maybe I'll see what he has to say at least. And I'm not surprised by the bullshit I've heard.
if you have any counter arguments i would love to hear them
@@zeeshanismail7768 Yes, it ignores evolution by natural selection.
@@zeeshanismail7768 no argument in the first place
Shout out to the video editor. You've done a great job! Amazing work. May Allah bless you.
I'm proudly an atheist Ex-muslim, islam just doesn't make sense to me.
So what ?
@@Mark-go7qm what a profound comeback! he's surely going to accept Allah into his life again after you said that
@@Imbalanceee1233212 did you take that as a comeback ? I was asking him, what was the purpose of that comment. If he had actually went from Islam, he would not be watching this video. He would know that, this would be a time waste
How many rakat in wudu?
This video made my iman stronger Alhamdulillah
Zeeshan, your style is awsome. Very calm, very Intelligent. Simple and concise. Yet massively effective and memorable. Please do more like this
How is it intelligent? I watched it and only saw a loon liking the sound of his voice. Comparing creation to an automobile is ridicules.
Ibn Abi al-‘Izz reported: It is said that *Abu Hanifa,* may Allah have mercy on him, was approached by some philosphers who intended to discuss with him the oneness of Allah’s Lordship. Abu Hanifa said, “Before we discuss this question, tell me what you think about a boat in the Euphrates, which goes to shore, loads itself with food and other things, then returns, anchors and unloads all by itself, without anyone sailing or controlling it?” They said, “This is impossible.” Abu Hanifa said, “If it is impossible with a boat, then how is it possible for the world, in all its vastness, to move by itself?”
Source: Sharḥ al-‘Aqīdah al-Ṭaḥāwīyah 1/35
عن ابن أبي العز الحنفي وَيُحْكَى عَنْ أَبِي حَنِيفَةَ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ أَنَّ قَوْمًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكَلَامِ أَرَادُوا الْبَحْثَ مَعَهُ فِي تَقْرِيرِ تَوْحِيدِ الرُّبُوبِيَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ أَخْبِرُونِي قَبْلَ أَنْ نَتَكَلَّمَ فِي هَذِهِ الْمَسْأَلَةِ عَنْ سَفِينَةٍ فِي دِجْلَةَ تَذْهَبُ فَتَمْتَلِئُ مِنَ الطَّعَامِ وَالْمَتَاعِ وَغَيْرِهِ بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَعُودُ بِنَفْسِهَا فَتُرْسِي بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَتَفَرَّغُ وَتَرْجِعُ كُلُّ ذَلِكَ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يُدَبِّرَهَا أَحَدٌ فَقَالُوا هَذَا مُحَالٌ لَا يُمْكِنُ أَبَدًا فَقَالَ لَهُمْ إِذَا كَانَ هَذَا مُحَالًا فِي سَفِينَةٍ فَكَيْفَ فِي هَذَا الْعَالَمِ كُلِّهِ عُلْوِهِ وَسُفْلِهِ
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@@saadaden7769 because a car was created by man. And pretty much everything that was “created” out side of mans hands is explainable through natural processes.
@@saadaden7769 ps. I never said it wasn’t possible. Just much more likely to be made up by humans. There is nothing original with any religion. Modern or old. So the idea one is the ultimate truth even though it was derived by an older version, is totally crazy to me.
Then again. Who knows. Maybe Mormans are the only ones to get it right. But I doubt it...
@@saadaden7769 it’s not a gamble. I couldn’t pretend to believe in something I don’t. Even if I had everyone convinced, the almighty would know.
If there is an Allah, Buddha, or Christ; I’m sure he would agree that pretending is worse then following a diluted or knowingly ignorant truth.
If there is, then I’m sure none of this matters, and it is between he and I.
Masha'Allah. Awesome reasoning brother. Keep up the good work.
You animation and editing is amazing 👍❤️😳😳😳😳😳
Masyaallah brother! Insyaallah, May Allah ﷻ grants him Hidayah.
Wow. Great way to explain. Best I’ve heard personally
Masha Allah the argument brother Zeeshan presented is from Imam Abu hanifa (rh) when he was debating with the timers
“I would only listen today.”
- This atheist guy maybe
That's how you learn
Ibn Abi al-‘Izz reported: It is said that *Abu Hanifa,* may Allah have mercy on him, was approached by some philosphers who intended to discuss with him the oneness of Allah’s Lordship. Abu Hanifa said, “Before we discuss this question, tell me what you think about a boat in the Euphrates, which goes to shore, loads itself with food and other things, then returns, anchors and unloads all by itself, without anyone sailing or controlling it?” They said, “This is impossible.” Abu Hanifa said, “If it is impossible with a boat, then how is it possible for the world, in all its vastness, to move by itself?”
Source: Sharḥ al-‘Aqīdah al-Ṭaḥāwīyah 1/35
عن ابن أبي العز الحنفي وَيُحْكَى عَنْ أَبِي حَنِيفَةَ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ أَنَّ قَوْمًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكَلَامِ أَرَادُوا الْبَحْثَ مَعَهُ فِي تَقْرِيرِ تَوْحِيدِ الرُّبُوبِيَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ أَخْبِرُونِي قَبْلَ أَنْ نَتَكَلَّمَ فِي هَذِهِ الْمَسْأَلَةِ عَنْ سَفِينَةٍ فِي دِجْلَةَ تَذْهَبُ فَتَمْتَلِئُ مِنَ الطَّعَامِ وَالْمَتَاعِ وَغَيْرِهِ بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَعُودُ بِنَفْسِهَا فَتُرْسِي بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَتَفَرَّغُ وَتَرْجِعُ كُلُّ ذَلِكَ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يُدَبِّرَهَا أَحَدٌ فَقَالُوا هَذَا مُحَالٌ لَا يُمْكِنُ أَبَدًا فَقَالَ لَهُمْ إِذَا كَانَ هَذَا مُحَالًا فِي سَفِينَةٍ فَكَيْفَ فِي هَذَا الْعَالَمِ كُلِّهِ عُلْوِهِ وَسُفْلِهِ
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excellently put!
That was the longest circular argument I herd in a long time, too bad he never demonstrated his premise to be true.
Nice try trying to sound smart. You clearly don’t know what a circular argument is
A circular argument would be saying “my religion is true because my religion says so”
His argument wasn’t circled in the least it’s called the teleological argument and has existed for thousands of ears and has never ever been criticized by any serious logician’s as circular!
@@ob1kendobe you are right he has never shown God to be real therefore his argument isn't grounded in reality. Its the same as arguing that the tooth fairy likes molars better than incisors. It doesn't matter because there isn't any evidence for ither Allah or the tooth fairy. If you start with a premise that 'God says' then you are saying he exists. Learn how to identify premise, then try again.
@@corypalmer5538 again you keep trying to sound smart
His premise is simple
Design is logical proof for a designer
Movement is logical proof for a mover
Your belief that design and movement can come to existence from nothing or due to long periods of time is insanity
Your belief , yes you actually have a believe system, is the real fairy tale
@@ob1kendobe you need to show a designer of the universe if your going to claim one(still havent seen evidence for your god). Science makes no such declarations you are claiming. The truth about the origin of the universe is unknown and to claim otherwise is ignorance and arrogance. Your claim of a mover is lacking a mover (GOD). Again you are making a claim without producing any evidence to your first premise(designer and mover). Where is the mystery man? As for long periods of time... well this is the only evidence the universe has provided leading us to the conclusion that Time and evolution is most likely answer. God is too much of a coward to defend himself instead of letting you come up with weak arguments that a child could easily defeat. Your so full of yourself that you couldn't even tell me how you eliminated all the other possibilities for a universe to come about. Maybe try a better argument.
@@ob1kendobe fr
Ma Sha Allah the editing is on point
I am a Christian but, it's similar.
I love this.
Us k to dhajjiya udgaye bhai, you are awesome, Allah bless you more stronger faith and aafiya for both of the worlds.
this argument has been used 1400 years ago by Imam Abu hanifa may allah bless him
he also smashed an athiest like this guy with such magnificent example
god bless you bro.
Praise and Glory unto The Most Merciful One, ever.
Such a beautiful explanation mashallah
Beautiful explanation jazak Allahu khayran brother zeeshan makings big steps in the dawah scene masha Allah tabarak Allah
The story of the great imam Abu Hanifa ra. I like it 💯
I love the way you’re explaining. Masha Allah on point!Barakallahufeek!
Absolute world class explanation🔥
Loved the illustrations lol. Great job by brother Z
What an intro 🤩🤩🤩🤩
Cheers
Fantastic video and superb editing.
Masha-Allah Br Zeshan, That’s how it’s done!! 💙🕋💙
Atheism does not require one to think that something came from nothing.
Smashed it. Marco is listening very decently here. May Allah swt guide him to Islam and others ameen.
Ameen
Nice one brother👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 that’s Abu Hanifa’s story with an atheist!!
science can't explain everything
"therefore, god"🤦♂️🤦♂️
Science is based on theories, when science said the sun was stationary, Quran said it had its orbit 1400 years ago, Quran said the earth was round, Quran said moon has borrowed light, etc. Quran even explains embryo, which is impossible for even a humans to explain without having modern technologies,
“Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would have certainly found in it many inconsistencies.”
An-Nisa', Ayah 82
Science is based on theories, when science said the sun was stationary, Quran said it had its orbit 1400 years ago, Quran said the earth was round, Quran said moon has borrowed light, etc. Quran even explains embryo, which is impossible for even a humans to explain without having modern technologies,
“Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would have certainly found in it many inconsistencies.”
An-Nisa', Ayah 82
@@mohammedsalman292 bs🤣quran states man came from a blood clot
@@mohammedsalman292 where did God come from? Who created God? Because if you claim he just exsists by himself without being created that's the most illogical answer ever. Because everything has to have a beginning in order to exsist
@@mohammedsalman292 quran claims that you should dip a fly(creatures that usually feast on food waste and feces) in your drink if it falls because one of it's wings contains a disease and other a cure to the disease(al bukhari 3320)
JazakAllahu khairan
Are you kidding me? This was a gish gallop of bad analogies.
The car is a manufactured object, of course it’s ridiculous to expect it to put itself together.
The kid with the cookie story includes the evidence to expose the kid’s lie.
If you stop bombarding your interlocutor with bad arguments, maybe you could learn why your ideas are so faulty.
Where the universe came from and how has nothing to do with not believing in a god.
Man, you squeezed so many bad ideas into such a short video, I’m actually impressed.
Well isn't it obvious what the point of all his arguments is? It's just if you don't do anything to a specific thing, then nothing will happen to that thing which if you put that in a bigger picture, it includes the Universe which is hard to believe that it just popped from existence. Think about it. If it was a "natural phenomenon" then what was the first occurrence of the so called big bang. Your 2nd to last statement is the most ignorant of all. If you believe in a god then you believe he created everything. Which includes the Universe which cannot just pop out of existence. We know the Universe started from a big bang, so how did the big bang occur?
How beautiful the explanation. Masha Allah so inoffensive the way you spoke there almost endearing. May Allah guide us all
Lovely!! He really nailed the point there for those who reflect.
wdym? it makes no sense you belive God just popped out of nowhere? 🤡🤡
@@indophobichunter8108 what are you reading? Who said that? The very definition of God is the one who is uncreated. No beginning, middle or end. He didn't pop out of no where. He always was.
@@kennedyngenzi6578 that makes no sense whatsoever beliving something exsists just like that without ever being created makes no sense whatsoever and not only that it's the most illogical claim ever
@@kennedyngenzi6578 how can something exsist without being created? And now don't say universe came from nothing because it didn't u need to learn the basics of physics and other science to understand the beginning of universe also matter can be created from energy meanwhile matter cannot start existing on its own
@@indophobichunter8108 Listen, we're either saying the same thing. But miscommunication is confusing everything. Or you don't understand the basic of physics or other sciences.
There are three possibilities for the creation of the universe.
1) The universe created itself. Not possible since nothing cannot make something.
2) The Universe was created by the big bang which was the result of a single point expanding. But even before the single point collapsed on itself forming the big bang, it must have been something else. So if that singular point was the creation of something else and that was the creation of something else. Then you have an infinite regress. Not plausible as well.
3) The universe was created by something which was also created. Again infinite regress.
4) The universe was created by something uncreated. I.e God.
You can't even comprehending what is out there in the universe yet you're ruling out God. When all of creation points to signs of an intelligent creator. Don't be a clown man.
ما شاء الله تبارك الله
Well said brother 👏 👍 👌
you dont have to dismantle something that was never organized to begin with
Hats off to the Editor
Damn the background noise 😂
The debate is good but brother Zeeshan your editing level is on another level mA
Man's using science and logic to the absolute max
@Raabraka65 any way atheism is irrational
Watchmaker analogy again 🥱🥱🥱
May Allah reward the good 🤲
Great edit and great video , kudos ✅
MashaALLAH Young Imam Abu Hanifa, Nice way to use argument in our time. Awesome Video great graphics, Best way to explain it makes people think , Br. zeeshan May ALLAH swt give you long long healthy life make you strong. increase you more and more in knowledge and wisdom and accept your beautiful work of dawah for the service of ISLAM and Muslims Ameen Ameen Ameen
💯 for the animation. Made the video watchable.
Assalamualikum brother Zehsan loved your arguments & Answers & also Loved the edit very much😊
Walaikum assalam. thanks brother apppreciate it :)
Ibn Abi al-‘Izz reported: It is said that *Abu Hanifa,* may Allah have mercy on him, was approached by some philosphers who intended to discuss with him the oneness of Allah’s Lordship. Abu Hanifa said, “Before we discuss this question, tell me what you think about a boat in the Euphrates, which goes to shore, loads itself with food and other things, then returns, anchors and unloads all by itself, without anyone sailing or controlling it?” They said, “This is impossible.” Abu Hanifa said, “If it is impossible with a boat, then how is it possible for the world, in all its vastness, to move by itself?”
Source: Sharḥ al-‘Aqīdah al-Ṭaḥāwīyah 1/35
عن ابن أبي العز الحنفي وَيُحْكَى عَنْ أَبِي حَنِيفَةَ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ أَنَّ قَوْمًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكَلَامِ أَرَادُوا الْبَحْثَ مَعَهُ فِي تَقْرِيرِ تَوْحِيدِ الرُّبُوبِيَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ أَخْبِرُونِي قَبْلَ أَنْ نَتَكَلَّمَ فِي هَذِهِ الْمَسْأَلَةِ عَنْ سَفِينَةٍ فِي دِجْلَةَ تَذْهَبُ فَتَمْتَلِئُ مِنَ الطَّعَامِ وَالْمَتَاعِ وَغَيْرِهِ بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَعُودُ بِنَفْسِهَا فَتُرْسِي بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَتَفَرَّغُ وَتَرْجِعُ كُلُّ ذَلِكَ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يُدَبِّرَهَا أَحَدٌ فَقَالُوا هَذَا مُحَالٌ لَا يُمْكِنُ أَبَدًا فَقَالَ لَهُمْ إِذَا كَانَ هَذَا مُحَالًا فِي سَفِينَةٍ فَكَيْفَ فِي هَذَا الْعَالَمِ كُلِّهِ عُلْوِهِ وَسُفْلِهِ
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Who's the video editor ...Great work 😇
I like how brother Zeeshan always gives the most simplest explanation in the most best manners Ma Sha Allah! I wish the full video was uploaded where we could here the athiest's questions as well.
Nice editing. Loved it
The famous debate strategy of Imam Abu Hanifah never fails
Eloquently done 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Out of all religions, the Muslim faith I respect the most although I’m lost on the idea that just because something is, that means it must must’ve been made. Which given the examples seems to be the premise of the explanation. May be wrong though and definitely not an atheist yet I am agnostic
Thank you for respecting islam. I also respect you for coming here just for learning someone else view on some certain thing. Any kind of knowledge out there is worth it to learn. I hope you can keep on study any kind of theology, ideology, understanding or opinion out there be it from islam or not. Human have a average lifespan of around 60-80 years. Nothing to lose for just spending a little bit of time learning something. I hope one day you can even spend much more of your time learn about islam. May Allah give you guidance.
@@harizu_5182 Your response is touching sir, so thank you for taking the time to write it. Quite honestly I guess I’m more inclined to learn a science or a skillset over spending time spiritually to research any form of religion. That being said I’m told you don’t find allah/god (I’m British btw) you discover him.
Peace be upon you brother
@@cynicallyhonest98 well then this explanation does make sense, you can't make anything out of nothing, there is some source of energy and someone is doing work, as we speak. All systems in the universe follow certain laws, and the millionth of a second during the expansion of the universe if any form of changes to our fundamental constants were made from what they are now, the universe wouldn't be as we know it today. Alhamdulillah, don't you think if there's laws there's a law maker for this universe. And also that such things are mentioned in the Qur'an. If you think all religious books were only good for mediaeval era then look again, I would suggest reading the Qur'an or atleast looking at the observed and temporal miracles in it. You won't be disappointed, science has always been a tool for checking which model of religion is the right one, infact that's one of the reason why science flourished in Muslim countries earlier.
First i would like say thank you for respecting Islam.
I'm gonna attempt to try to answer your question. You difficult with "something is, that means it must be made" it is not just something but something that is intelligently designed, something that is so complex and genius which makes you think someone (intelligent designer) must be behind this.
Ibn Abi al-‘Izz reported: It is said that *Abu Hanifa,* may Allah have mercy on him, was approached by some philosphers who intended to discuss with him the oneness of Allah’s Lordship. Abu Hanifa said, “Before we discuss this question, tell me what you think about a boat in the Euphrates, which goes to shore, loads itself with food and other things, then returns, anchors and unloads all by itself, without anyone sailing or controlling it?” They said, “This is impossible.” Abu Hanifa said, “If it is impossible with a boat, then how is it possible for the world, in all its vastness, to move by itself?”
Source: Sharḥ al-‘Aqīdah al-Ṭaḥāwīyah 1/35
عن ابن أبي العز الحنفي وَيُحْكَى عَنْ أَبِي حَنِيفَةَ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ أَنَّ قَوْمًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكَلَامِ أَرَادُوا الْبَحْثَ مَعَهُ فِي تَقْرِيرِ تَوْحِيدِ الرُّبُوبِيَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُمْ أَخْبِرُونِي قَبْلَ أَنْ نَتَكَلَّمَ فِي هَذِهِ الْمَسْأَلَةِ عَنْ سَفِينَةٍ فِي دِجْلَةَ تَذْهَبُ فَتَمْتَلِئُ مِنَ الطَّعَامِ وَالْمَتَاعِ وَغَيْرِهِ بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَعُودُ بِنَفْسِهَا فَتُرْسِي بِنَفْسِهَا وَتَتَفَرَّغُ وَتَرْجِعُ كُلُّ ذَلِكَ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يُدَبِّرَهَا أَحَدٌ فَقَالُوا هَذَا مُحَالٌ لَا يُمْكِنُ أَبَدًا فَقَالَ لَهُمْ إِذَا كَانَ هَذَا مُحَالًا فِي سَفِينَةٍ فَكَيْفَ فِي هَذَا الْعَالَمِ كُلِّهِ عُلْوِهِ وَسُفْلِهِ
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جزاک الله خيرا ❤️☝️❤️
Literally no one says something came from nothing
This guy steadily creates his own fallacy then debunks it.
So what did creation come from.
@@iconic-z5906 saying creation implies it was created.
@@randallfe are you not a creation yourself?
@@iconic-z5906 again literally no one says that
Beautifully explained
Atheist-slayer.
NICE ONE I can't believe Imam abu hanifa's example is still being used . well done bruv
Allahummah Bariq my brother ❤️
This one was by far the greatest argument I've ever heard against Athiesm.
This argument is imam Abu hanifas argument he used against some atheist he was debating رحمة الله عليه
The design argument, this has been debunked many times 🤦🏾♂️, he should atleast try something better.
If its debunked, then y dont u debunk it?
Subhan'Allah, speechless.
So what is he trying to suggest? God just popped out of no where and did all the magic? So did God come out of something or nothing?
That's a flawed question learn some basic philosophy/logic
@@ggghgf885 U mean religion does not have all the answers?
@@Seeker-ec1dd actually they belive God is uncreated. which makes no sense whatsoever🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@indophobichunter8108 you don't make sense
@@ggghgf885 sure sar yesterday God popped out of my a**and now he created the sun🤦♂️
When we make inferences to the best possibility in our daily lives, we do not invoke supernatural causes. Ever.
When talking about the beginning/creation of the universe, the beginning of the physical law of the universe, the beginning of 'nature' itself, what other explanation can you give but to go beyond nature to 'supernatural causes'?
@@shahinshah1907 So you want to do the argument from personal incredulity: your idea is true or likely true unless I can provide an alternative. Nice.
Additionally, we don't know that the laws of the universe or nature had a beginning. All that we know had a beginning is entropic time. Also, he appealed to things we infer for our daily lives. When we look for causes in our daily lives, we appeal to natural causes, not supernatural ones.
@@lhvinny You failed to understand what I said. The universe is subject to natural laws but God, the Creator, by His very nature, is not bound by time and space and natural laws.
Talking of a low entropy universe, the Nobel Laureate mathematician Sir Roger Penrose calculated that the probability of that happening at the beginning randomly, by chance, is 10 to the power of 10 ×123. So, the odds of that not occurring randomly but from design, intelligence and an omnipotent Creator speaks for itself.
@@shahinshah1907 Random chance or God did it is a false dichotomy. I have no use for your logical fallacies. You only attached this to the word "entropy," even though the idea of a random chance universe was not brought up by me or anyone other than you. It is almost as if you are desperately clinging to words seen without understanding them.
Omnipotence is not defended by the Penrose calculation. Even at more favorable, it would only mean that the creator of the universe would have to be powerful enough to create this particular universe, not any powers beyond or in addition to that. Also, intelligence is not defended by the Penrose calculation either. This is why apologetics fail: you are desperately trying to shoe-horn attributes into arguments that are not justified.
At no point did I put limits on what God could or could not do, so I have no idea why you are bringing that up. It is almost as if you are following a script instead of actually reading what was said.
The natural laws are descriptions of what the universe does, not prescriptions. Likewise, I have no evidence indicating that what laws gods are or are not subject to. All I have are assertions made by people like you with exactly zero evidence to back up that assertion.
Show me where you or anyone else subjected God to tests to see if the natural laws apply to it or not. I bet you can't.
@@lhvinny LOL. Keep wallowing in your smug, self-created, and deluded 'reality'.
Best explanation that I ever heard
Masha Allah !!!
The video is really satisfying 👍🏻.
Ma sha Allah perfect explanation rest is up to the person to accept the truth or live in denial.
Truly one of my favorite du'aat in Speakers Corner. Zeeshan and Muhammad Ali are tops in my book. Alhmdlllh.
Cars are man made. However there are lots of beautiful things in nature that grow by themselves. No intelligent creator needed for lightning, sand dunes, snow flocks, supernova clouds, stars and ... the universe itself. There isn't a shred of evidence that an intelligent being is required.
You're applying the well knowns (and describer) watchmakers fallacy here.
Atheism is irrational. Until atheist can create life from non living matter, atheism is just another belief.
Consciousness, golden ratio all r evidences
You don't see bananas and apples grow on the same trees. You don't see water coming out from the volcanoes. Everything is working as a flawless system. A car needs a design by an intelligent creator, but way more complex things don't need an intelligent creator. Nice!
@@ameen7538 Evidence for god? Sorry, but no.
@@badshahSelamet "You don't see bananas and apples grow on the same trees."
Ever heard about DNA? There is a reason we do not give birth to cats and dogs.
" Everything is working as a flawless system."
Thats an argument of incredulity.
"A car needs a design by an intelligent creator, but way more complex things don't need an intelligent creator. Nice!"
There is no evidence whatsoever that anything in nature needs a designer. Given enough time and enough chemical reactions it will evolve into more complex structures. There is sufficient scientific evidence to support that claim and there is no evidence to the contrary
Great vid, Jazakallah khair. I would suggest that you change your phrasing in the titles a little since it comes off as clickbaity and belittling of the other side even though he seemed pretty respectful to you. Also it's not fitting of a conversation about Allah swt and Islam. Take care brother and may Allah aid you in the dawah.
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U always have the best explanations