What was a every day way to drive heavy vehicles has vertually gone and the driving standards with it, I ran AECs and Gardner powered ERFs with David Brown gearboxes, I wouldn't employ drivers without these skills as it proved they had no idea of what was going on with the drive line, any driver who had only driven Scanias and Volvo's didn't get a job as they lacked the professional skills needed, it wasn't unusual for a Gardner powered vehicle to do a million and a half miles without the heads and sumps coming off and since I started using a Morris 75/80 semi synthetic oil for the axle and gearbox they to were trouble free, compared to the recomended EP90 oil it seemed like water and I took some convincing to try it but have never looked back, thank you so much for showing this video, it proves there are still some proper drivers out there.
Many of today's bus drivers can't even manage a 'point and squirt' automatic smoothly - let alone a slow revving Gardner, with crash box and no power assistance.
hi great driving,, i love the old crash gearboxes, sorts the men out from the boys. i worked for AEC ltd in the 70s and the lorries were non syncromesh. good luck with this bus
I had no idea that this batch of Loline 1s had David Brown gearboxes. Were they by any chance originally fitted with Dennis's own strange reverse-via-first box? The two surviving Aldershot & District Loline 1s have one of each: both Dennis-built, one of which is as described above and one of more conventional design. Both have five speeds.
Beautifully crisp, clean-sounding engine and transmission. No clutch-judder on pulling away. People like to say that the Loline is " just a Lodekka built under licence" but these earlier Lolines in particular have a very distinct feel. Good video!
I passed my test in 552 OHU 1990. Double declutch was easty enoughh. In together , together 1, 2 3. The best advice I was given was to drive with my ears. I didn't understand that but once you got the hang of lietening o the pitch of the engine and gearbox it was simple. I did most of my test without the clutch and my examiner fondly vcalled me a cocky bastard Haha.
I remember the 1st time travelling on a Southern Vectis Bristol circa 1960 and was amazed to watch the driver changing gear living as I was at the time in SW London where all diesel buses had preselector gear changers. My 1st experience of actually driving an HGV with crash gearbox was in 1969 when driving for Boots the Chemists in a Seden, great fun and much more satisfying than the Commers with synchromesh boxes. I later owned a Commer TS3 with 5 speed crash box, a wonderful truck to drive except for the lack of engine braking due to the 2 stroke supercharged engine having rather less compression than when built!
In the olden days it was said you could roll a cigarette between changes. Now days for a bus driver on a driving test to demonstrate proper gearbox control means pressing the right button!
There's nothing wrong with button changes, but to be fair it looks like it took a bit of skill to drive these things. I passed my bus test in 2002 in a Leyland Tiger with First Glasgow, as well as Volvo Ailsa, Volvo B10M, Volvo D10M etc. I loved the simplicity of gear changing and starting the engine up with the touch of a button, and it doesn't make you any less of a good driver.
@@markcaldwell2831 Hm, not sure about that. To have a professional driver have no idea about gearboxes, how they work and what they do is like comparing a lathe operator and someone who presses GO on a CAD cutting. Even if you ignore handling a constant mesh and go straight to synchromesh they ability to understand gear ratios on the open road is a great benefit. Pushing a button might be great driving a No 5 to the shopping centre but descending a steep incline in adverse weather takes a whole new skill set.
Many, many years ago when I lived in Guildford (A&D territory) I was a passenger on a bus turning into Woodbridge Road from the old A3. On the corner was the A&D bus garage, and on a bus stop across the road was one of their double deckers stopped. The driver was waving the gear stick out of his cab window which had broken off. In A&D territory there were, in my time, Yellow Bus Service, (swallowed by A&D), Green Line, London Transport and another private operator that serviced villages towards Abinger Hammer. There were two bus stations, Onslow Road and it was connected by footbridge to the other one over the river, the name of which escapes me.
I used to travel on one of these Lolines when I was a child,we had a very low bridge near Patricroft railway station which required one of these buses to go to Gardner engines where a lot of people worked.
Old Middlesbrough Corporation Transport and noticed it was the "M" Bus. All Boro buses used letters. My locals were N and the Circular routeY & Z. Stockton Corporation also used numbers so the Joint bus between M'bro and Stockton was the 0 or O Bus. When the Council Buses merged United (National) had to add an extra number so they went to 3 numbers. The local United 63 became 263. The new Bus Company had to mix Green (Stockton) with Blue (Boro) and so we had the first Turquoise Buses, as TMT.
My 1947 VW has a crash box. Normal changing up a gear, double-de-clutch changing down. That with cable operated brakes and semaphore turn signals. Proper driving, not like today's buzz boxes which are so easy drive. Easy see to why drivers loved the Routemasters, power assisted steering and semi-automatic gear change. I've driven RTs, very heavy steering of couse, but pre-select gear change.
Wow, blast from the past. I always wondered why buses would pull out and take an age to change gear. The sounds, the vibration, the smell - being a passenger was an event. I eventually got to drive buses using the semi-manual buses, much easier and much smoother. Then we had some newer automatics and I was for ever apologises to the passengers as the gear change was out of my control and passengers were thrown all over the place - much like today. Don't blame the drivers, blame the crap auto gear-changes. BTW, the 'new' bus was a Lynx. Great power and much quicker - but the passengers tumbled around like a pea in a drum. I began knocking it out of gear and cruising up to the stop.
Absolutely wonderful , the reassuring beat of the engine AEC ? Gardner ? and I cant help but think of the Bond movie "Live and let die" with the bus chase and the sound of the engine .
The art is to move the stick into neutral and wait for the engine revs to die before putting it into the next gear , the modest driver said it was luck, not at all just a feel for the machine, now that is driving and he's a driver which not so long ago was a standard skill on heavy vehicles, today's drivers are an embarrassment to our profession.
If the engine revs are right the gears will just fall into mesh without any resistance with less force needed than a synchromesh gearbox, the driver demonstrated well, going down the box a rev in neutral to match the road speed of the next gear is needed which again is knowing your vehicle and taking a pride in being a skillfull professional driver.
@@paulwilson3083 You say today's drivers are an embarrassment to the profession? As a bus driver who is on his 17th year, one thing I know for a fact is that there is actually still competent and decent bus drivers in the industry. I'm not sticking up for them all as I also know there is bus drivers out there who are all boots and no brains, but to generalise today's drivers as substandard is unfair?
@@johnhall4917 Hello John, on reflection my wording wasn’t appropriate to what I was trying to say, I owned buses and lorries with a similar drive lines to the bus on the video, I carried on running them until I retired, I’ve had many drivers join me who hadn’t a clue how to get these vehicles along but after being shown and have an understanding of how the drive line works they turned out to be high class exceptional drivers, unfortunately the vehicles available today with there semi or auto boxes and high revving engines have lowered drivers standards which of course modern drivers haven’t the choice anymore, when Volvo and scania lorries came into this country in the late sixties early seventies you could literally see heavy vehicles skills falling as me and many other hauliers commentated at the time, I’m sorry about the essay John but I hope it helps to explain my earlier remarks.
It looks more like a Bristol than a Dennis, maybe some arrangement. Gearbox is constant mesh, not crash. Some drivers made them crash but not this man, he has a ear and timing for engine revs, would have liked to hear him changing down. 6LW 112 BHP at 1700rpm 340 lbs ft torque at 1000/ 1100rpm. British industry and unions slow to move with the times and died away.
@@MrHarleyoldfart any non syncromesh gearbox could be crash changed or clean changed depending on the skill of the driver. Crash is a slang name for such as a constant mesh box that could be crashed when making a bad change. The modern automatic box's are constant mesh electric computer changed along with clutch control putting it in simple terms. Constant mesh box is the lightest, easily changed box depending on driver skill.
@@billalbion So, there is no difference between a 'crash box' and a constant mesh box as it's the same thing, they're just called crash boxes 'cos lots of drivers can't deal with them and 'crash' the gears.
In a constant mesh gearbox, the gears are in mesh permanently and you select them by locking them to the gearbox shaft via driving dogs. A crash box could be a constant mesh or a sliding gear type. Just no assistance to synchronise the gear speeds
When really familiar with a crash gear box vehicle, i.e. Speed and sound of engine revs., the need to use the clutch each gear change is not necessary just for moving off.
This one in particular has some longstanding issues, and with a now completely unique and unobtainable gearbox - it is best driven in this manner in order to protect the fragile Transmission.
I wasn't impressed when he crossed hands to turn the corner. The large steering wheel is to give leverage as there was no power steering so you should really use the push/pull method to get the most leverage. Also if he had hit something with a wheel the steering wheel may have been wrenched out of his hands. No problem with the gearchanging though. You never really thought about it at the time as "they were all like that" lol It did give some satisfaction to get all the gears in without crunching or missing. Not a bus driver but started out on trucks. My first one was an ERF 150 with gardner engine. It had 16 speeds and pulling 32 tons you needed and used every one. No flicking up and down a couple of gears like today as that 150 was the HP so not very powerful. You had a high/low gearbox and a 2 speed axle to play with. No sports type quick changes you paused to double declutch in neutral as you went through the gears.
If you want to change down all the gears just to come to a stop it’s just pointless, if the road had have been clear just a blip on the throttle while still moving in neutral and select the required gear without fuss, easy, you soon learn how to make life easier when driving them.
@@paulcharlwood440 Hello Paul, I quite agree, the way he drove was an every day thing on heavy vehicles, you drove them to save yourself as much work as possible as I mentioned in my earlier comment about tapping it out of gear rather than going right down the box just to come to a stand, the standard of driving dropped dramatically when the synchromesh boxes started to appear, personally I found crash boxes easier as there were no resistance of synchro cones to push through .
@@paulwilson3083 Yes, thats right., I knock my old truck out of cog, and drop it back again when the coast is clear. AEC box, linked to a 7.7. I only commented as It doesn't matter what you put online, there is always a "Dung Hill Rooster" crowing about some minor point. Shame I cant watch Mr Hawkins dive.
@@paulcharlwood440 Hello again Paul, your like me, I’ve done countless miles in silent overdrive it used to give the ears a rest too, my first lorry was an AEC with the later 505 their gearboxes were similar to the David Brown as in they went into gear with no resistance, it gave you more pride in your driving to making a change without catching the gears, harder but happier days, all the best Paul.
Crumbs MOGODON MOTORING OR WHAT!!! Dennis could never make a decent rorty motor. Same engine Gardner 6LW in a Bristol KSW with five speed Bristol Box oh Wow, makes the 6LW sit up and beg,.Dreary Dennis sounds like an ERF LV just too quiet,my old Hoover washing machine is far noisier during the spin cycle.
Dennis didn't really make this, it's a gardner powered Bristol Lodekka make under licence to get past government restrictions placed on Bristol. It even has ECW bodywork with a different radiator.
I know ,in the late 1950,s Dennis acquired a licence to manufacture the Bristol LD FS ,and later FLF in order to bypass restrictions imposed by the British Transport Commission on Bristol chassis for sale to BET operators. Dennis supplied the gearboxes and front axles, engines sourced from AEC Gardner and Leyland, early chassis came in kit form from Bristols Chatsworth Road Factory until Dennis bought the tooling to manufacture the parts at their Guildford Factory. Compared to a pure Bristol LD with a sweet sounding AVW and musical gearbox, I stand by what it say the Loline is a sleeping pill on wheels. @@Grid56
What a real bus sounds like. Fine bit of driving, well timed gear changes.
Why do all these old buses sound so great. Love those engines added with the look and style they're unbeatable.
What was a every day way to drive heavy vehicles has vertually gone and the driving standards with it, I ran AECs and Gardner powered ERFs with David Brown gearboxes, I wouldn't employ drivers without these skills as it proved they had no idea of what was going on with the drive line, any driver who had only driven Scanias and Volvo's didn't get a job as they lacked the professional skills needed, it wasn't unusual for a Gardner powered vehicle to do a million and a half miles without the heads and sumps coming off and since I started using a Morris 75/80 semi synthetic oil for the axle and gearbox they to were trouble free, compared to the recomended EP90 oil it seemed like water and I took some convincing to try it but have never looked back, thank you so much for showing this video, it proves there are still some proper drivers out there.
Many of today's bus drivers can't even manage a 'point and squirt' automatic smoothly - let alone a slow revving Gardner, with crash box and no power assistance.
@@robertp.wainman4094 Unfortunately your comments are so true Robert, it’s a pitiful state we’re in now with drivers,
No power steering,manual non Synchromesh gearbox, double clutching required, now that's true driving skills.
And a strong left leg !
Well, a lot of us started out driving like that. Double clutching no Power steering
@@rexross7086 . Yep . I did .
Looking back now, how the hell did we drive that for hours on end.
Superb changes, a master at work. Many happy miles on the road to you.
really good driver. well done
hi great driving,, i love the old crash gearboxes, sorts the men out from the boys. i worked for AEC ltd in the 70s and the lorries were non syncromesh. good luck with this bus
Now that’s a diesel worth listening to.
Gardner I guess?
Pleasure to watch this lovely bus being driven....spot on with is gear changing 👍
I noticed he is double clutching which is required for non Synchromesh gearbox 👍
I had no idea that this batch of Loline 1s had David Brown gearboxes. Were they by any chance originally fitted with Dennis's own strange reverse-via-first box? The two surviving Aldershot & District Loline 1s have one of each: both Dennis-built, one of which is as described above and one of more conventional design. Both have five speeds.
Beautifully crisp, clean-sounding engine and transmission. No clutch-judder on pulling away. People like to say that the Loline is " just a Lodekka built under licence" but these earlier Lolines in particular have a very distinct feel. Good video!
Brilliant Video, Great to watch the manual gears and non power steering, and the lovely Gardener diesel!!!! 😃👍
I passed my test in 552 OHU 1990. Double declutch was easty enoughh. In together , together 1, 2 3. The best advice I was given was to drive with my ears. I didn't understand that but once you got the hang of lietening o the pitch of the engine and gearbox it was simple. I did most of my test without the clutch and my examiner fondly vcalled me a cocky bastard Haha.
What a difference in the competent skill of the driver here - compared to the Arriva one I experienced today.
Nice confident drive and excellent gearchanges. I got my PSV in a FLF Lodekka.
I had a go in a good friend of mines Bristol bus in Hereford. I only managed 2 changes without grinding. Your a real good driver.👍
I remember the 1st time travelling on a Southern Vectis Bristol circa 1960 and was amazed to watch the driver changing gear living as I was at the time in SW London where all diesel buses had preselector gear changers.
My 1st experience of actually driving an HGV with crash gearbox was in 1969 when driving for Boots the Chemists in a Seden, great fun and much more satisfying than the Commers with synchromesh boxes. I later owned a Commer TS3 with 5 speed crash box, a wonderful truck to drive except for the lack of engine braking due to the 2 stroke supercharged engine having rather less compression than when built!
In the olden days it was said you could roll a cigarette between changes.
Now days for a bus driver on a driving test to demonstrate proper gearbox control means pressing the right button!
There's nothing wrong with button changes, but to be fair it looks like it took a bit of skill to drive these things. I passed my bus test in 2002 in a Leyland Tiger with First Glasgow, as well as Volvo Ailsa, Volvo B10M, Volvo D10M etc. I loved the simplicity of gear changing and starting the engine up with the touch of a button, and it doesn't make you any less of a good driver.
@@markcaldwell2831
Hm, not sure about that. To have a professional driver have no idea about gearboxes, how they work and what they do is like comparing a lathe operator and someone who presses GO on a CAD cutting.
Even if you ignore handling a constant mesh and go straight to synchromesh they ability to understand gear ratios on the open road is a great benefit. Pushing a button might be great driving a No 5 to the shopping centre but descending a steep incline in adverse weather takes a whole new skill set.
Many, many years ago when I lived in Guildford (A&D territory) I was a passenger on a bus turning into Woodbridge Road from the old A3. On the corner was the A&D bus garage, and on a bus stop across the road was one of their double deckers stopped. The driver was waving the gear stick out of his cab window which had broken off.
In A&D territory there were, in my time, Yellow Bus Service, (swallowed by A&D), Green Line, London Transport and another private operator that serviced villages towards Abinger Hammer.
There were two bus stations, Onslow Road and it was connected by footbridge to the other one over the river, the name of which escapes me.
This is just a delight to the eyes and the ears. Pure music!!
I used to travel on one of these Lolines when I was a child,we had a very low bridge near Patricroft railway station which required one of these buses to go to Gardner engines where a lot of people worked.
Old Middlesbrough Corporation Transport and noticed it was the "M" Bus. All Boro buses used letters. My locals were N and the Circular routeY & Z. Stockton Corporation also used numbers so the Joint bus between M'bro and Stockton was the 0 or O Bus. When the Council Buses merged United (National) had to add an extra number so they went to 3 numbers. The local United 63 became 263. The new Bus Company had to mix Green (Stockton) with Blue (Boro) and so we had the first Turquoise Buses, as TMT.
That looks like hard work. Proper driving!
Well driven!
My 1947 VW has a crash box. Normal changing up a gear, double-de-clutch changing down. That with cable operated brakes and semaphore turn signals. Proper driving, not like today's buzz boxes which are so easy drive. Easy see to why drivers loved the Routemasters, power assisted steering and semi-automatic gear change. I've driven RTs, very heavy steering of couse, but pre-select gear change.
Wow, blast from the past. I always wondered why buses would pull out and take an age to change gear. The sounds, the vibration, the smell - being a passenger was an event. I eventually got to drive buses using the semi-manual buses, much easier and much smoother. Then we had some newer automatics and I was for ever apologises to the passengers as the gear change was out of my control and passengers were thrown all over the place - much like today.
Don't blame the drivers, blame the crap auto gear-changes. BTW, the 'new' bus was a Lynx. Great power and much quicker - but the passengers tumbled around like a pea in a drum. I began knocking it out of gear and cruising up to the stop.
Love the double clutching ❤. When vehicles had characteristics
2:03 that was something ❤ Impressive
Great gear-changing. When one gets to a right turn junction, it’s always advisable to put a bit of lock on first beforehand. As at 2.00
I remember the the Crosville low lines. The country bus for those low bridges.
Brilliant take's me back to my early days driving them i think the engine was a lot louder then.
Nice to hear, I enjoyed this clip
used to pat myself on the back, when I was driving midland red D7 , without using the clutch. listen to the music.
we never see a down change. Successful crash downchanging shows REAL driving skill
Absolutely wonderful , the reassuring beat of the engine AEC ? Gardner ? and I cant help but think of the Bond movie "Live and let die" with the bus chase and the sound of the engine .
A time to remember with a four speed box and a scotchmans fifth (any old truck driver will know what I mean )
Aberdeen Overdrive 🤣🤣🤣
Fantastic driving skills
Ye gods!. That looks like hard work.
This must be the only Loline with Cave-Brown-Cave heating; more commonly seen on Bristols.
Brilliant.
Beautiful
Lovely!!!!!!
You certainly didn't fall asleep while driving with the engine roar. 😂😂
Finally, a vehicle that takes longer to change gears than my Smart Car!
Never saw him change down. Especially going up a steep hill?
A real bus only for real experienced drivers not for wimps
Well driven with a Crash Gearbox bus What is the secret to driving one of these as I would love to be able to drive a Crash Gearbox bus.
Luck and practice!
The art is to move the stick into neutral and wait for the engine revs to die before putting it into the next gear , the modest driver said it was luck, not at all just a feel for the machine, now that is driving and he's a driver which not so long ago was a standard skill on heavy vehicles, today's drivers are an embarrassment to our profession.
If the engine revs are right the gears will just fall into mesh without any resistance with less force needed than a synchromesh gearbox, the driver demonstrated well, going down the box a rev in neutral to match the road speed of the next gear is needed which again is knowing your vehicle and taking a pride in being a skillfull professional driver.
@@paulwilson3083 You say today's drivers are an embarrassment to the profession?
As a bus driver who is on his 17th year, one thing I know for a fact is that there is actually still competent and decent bus drivers in the industry. I'm not sticking up for them all as I also know there is bus drivers out there who are all boots and no brains, but to generalise today's drivers as substandard is unfair?
@@johnhall4917 Hello John, on reflection my wording wasn’t appropriate to what I was trying to say, I owned buses and lorries with a similar drive lines to the bus on the video, I carried on running them until I retired, I’ve had many drivers join me who hadn’t a clue how to get these vehicles along but after being shown and have an understanding of how the drive line works they turned out to be high class exceptional drivers, unfortunately the vehicles available today with there semi or auto boxes and high revving engines have lowered drivers standards which of course modern drivers haven’t the choice anymore, when Volvo and scania lorries came into this country in the late sixties early seventies you could literally see heavy vehicles skills falling as me and many other hauliers commentated at the time, I’m sorry about the essay John but I hope it helps to explain my earlier remarks.
Cool. Now, lets see you hand-crank that vehicle....
Where can I get this on CD-ROM it’s top class
I’ll get some more footage over this summer and upload it 👍🏼
Is it a crash box? or a constant mesh gearbox?
In my area this unit there on transport museum ...
No regeneration unit for my area ?
The engine die down times between changes were something else..
Bugger that .. double de-clutching on every gear and whether changing up or down! Hard work!
Did it done it got the t shut.....easy when you know how
It looks more like a Bristol than a Dennis, maybe some arrangement. Gearbox is constant mesh, not crash. Some drivers made them crash but not this man, he has a ear and timing for engine revs, would have liked to hear him changing down. 6LW 112 BHP at 1700rpm 340 lbs ft torque at 1000/ 1100rpm. British industry and unions slow to move with the times and died away.
The Dennis Loline was a Lodekka built under License.
@billabion Could you explain the difference between constant mesh and crash gearbox?
@@MrHarleyoldfart any non syncromesh gearbox could be crash changed or clean changed depending on the skill of the driver. Crash is a slang name for such as a constant mesh box that could be crashed when making a bad change. The modern automatic box's are constant mesh electric computer changed along with clutch control putting it in simple terms. Constant mesh box is the lightest, easily changed box depending on driver skill.
@@billalbion So, there is no difference between a 'crash box' and a constant mesh box as it's the same thing, they're just called crash boxes 'cos lots of drivers can't deal with them and 'crash' the gears.
In a constant mesh gearbox, the gears are in mesh permanently and you select them by locking them to the gearbox shaft via driving dogs. A crash box could be a constant mesh or a sliding gear type. Just no assistance to synchronise the gear speeds
When really familiar with a crash gear box vehicle, i.e. Speed and sound of engine revs., the need to use the clutch each gear change is not necessary just for moving off.
This one in particular has some longstanding issues, and with a now completely unique and unobtainable gearbox - it is best driven in this manner in order to protect the fragile Transmission.
Have u got any videos of arriva ikarus 4074-4079
Unfortunately Not
@@jatkin3110 damn my favourite buses
passed my pcv test on an old Bristol LH with cash gear box .you know about at the end of the day. your left leg was killing you.
Middlesbrough Corporation used the alphabet for service numbers
faultless gears, wonder if I could still do it, !!!!
I wasn't impressed when he crossed hands to turn the corner.
The large steering wheel is to give leverage as there was no power steering so you should really use the push/pull method to get the most leverage.
Also if he had hit something with a wheel the steering wheel may have been wrenched out of his hands.
No problem with the gearchanging though. You never really thought about it at the time as "they were all like that" lol It did give some satisfaction to get all the gears in without crunching or missing.
Not a bus driver but started out on trucks. My first one was an ERF 150 with gardner engine.
It had 16 speeds and pulling 32 tons you needed and used every one. No flicking up and down a couple of gears like today as that 150 was the HP so not very powerful.
You had a high/low gearbox and a 2 speed axle to play with.
No sports type quick changes you paused to double declutch in neutral as you went through the gears.
Almost sounds like an old detroit
I like this buses very much..... Men thing bus.... Not easy to drive by ladies.... Definitely male
Crash box, pre select steering.
You could use a drill to steer.
Never changed down did he
No, He didn't need to.
Deci, nici dacă m-ar plătii "în valută", Nu aș conduce, așa ceva... 😮😊😅
A 5th gear needed
Has he got a bad nose
Definitely, pretty bad nose.
great video but yer lad needs to get his nose fixed
sloooooow reving..
Coasting up to junction out of gear fail test on that.
If you want to change down all the gears just to come to a stop it’s just pointless, if the road had have been clear just a blip on the throttle while still moving in neutral and select the required gear without fuss, easy, you soon learn how to make life easier when driving them.
@@paulwilson3083 He wasn't on his test. Do you drive every day like your're on your test? Super driving, well done and thanks for sharing it.
@@paulcharlwood440 Hello Paul, I quite agree, the way he drove was an every day thing on heavy vehicles, you drove them to save yourself as much work as possible as I mentioned in my earlier comment about tapping it out of gear rather than going right down the box just to come to a stand, the standard of driving dropped dramatically when the synchromesh boxes started to appear, personally I found crash boxes easier as there were no resistance of synchro cones to push through .
@@paulwilson3083 Yes, thats right., I knock my old truck out of cog, and drop it back again when the coast is clear. AEC box, linked to a 7.7. I only commented as It doesn't matter what you put online, there is always a "Dung Hill Rooster" crowing about some minor point. Shame I cant watch Mr Hawkins dive.
@@paulcharlwood440 Hello again Paul, your like me, I’ve done countless miles in silent overdrive it used to give the ears a rest too, my first lorry was an AEC with the later 505 their gearboxes were similar to the David Brown as in they went into gear with no resistance, it gave you more pride in your driving to making a change without catching the gears, harder but happier days, all the best Paul.
Crumbs MOGODON MOTORING OR WHAT!!! Dennis could never make a decent rorty motor. Same engine Gardner 6LW in a Bristol KSW with five speed Bristol Box oh Wow, makes the 6LW sit up and beg,.Dreary Dennis sounds like an ERF LV just too quiet,my old Hoover washing machine is far noisier during the spin cycle.
Dennis didn't really make this, it's a gardner powered Bristol Lodekka make under licence to get past government restrictions placed on Bristol. It even has ECW bodywork with a different radiator.
I know ,in the late 1950,s Dennis acquired a licence to manufacture the Bristol LD FS ,and later FLF in order to bypass restrictions imposed by the British Transport Commission on Bristol chassis for sale to BET operators. Dennis supplied the gearboxes and front axles, engines sourced from AEC Gardner and Leyland, early chassis came in kit form from Bristols Chatsworth Road Factory until Dennis bought the tooling to manufacture the parts at their Guildford Factory. Compared to a pure Bristol LD with a sweet sounding AVW and musical gearbox, I stand by what it say the Loline is a sleeping pill on wheels. @@Grid56