The way I see it, a nosegrind is a nose manual where the front truck is grinding. A crook is a combination of a nosegrind and noseslide, much like a Smith grind is a combination of a 5-0 and lipslide
Regardless if it's "officially" right or wrong, personally for me an overcrook will always be an overcrook whether it's frontside or not. My logic being, we'd never call a salad grind or a Suski a 5-0, would we?
Counterpoint: Suskis only count backside and salads only count frontside. Following that logic overcrooks should only be backside cuz it’s also a “backwards facing” grind. I don’t think it really matters and people will still say fs salad and bs suski and bs overcrook just to make sure you know it was the cooler looking and “more legit” version
@@possiblythatguy2304in my opinion, fs Suskis exist even less than fs nosegrinds. Much like nosegrinds, not only is it way easier to do a fs 5-0 crooked like that, but the trick is named after a real person who never did them frontside. If someone says fs overcrook, I'm not gonna correct them. But fs Suski is just stupid.
I agree. I do this trick on flat bars. When I nose grind there is zero pinch, it is more like a nose manual where I grind. Front side over krooks absolutely agree. I think the opening clip was an over krook too man
backside crooked grind (heelside lock) frontside crooked grind (toeside lock) backside overcrook (toeside lock) frontside overcrook (heelside lock) its weird to me that people would claim it doesn't exist. it seems like it follows all the same rules that categorize other tricks. if its a little sideways and you had to get your back foot over the obstacle, call it an overcrook. if its pointing straight, call it a nosegrind, i say.
Everyone I've ever skated with considered it a trick. It's simply giving a name to a grind with a specific board/truck position on the rail. Just the same as every other grind. People be weird nowadays. 😂
One thing I never hear brought up in this argument is that nosegrinds were invented before crooked grinds. And since the easier way to do fs nosegrinds on a round rail is to do them with your truck hanging over, people most likely did fs nosegrinds like this before crooked grinds were invented. So at the time, those would have just been called nosegrinds, since that's all that existed.
That's the thing. Commenters get very irate and adamant, but and then later in the comment admit they've never done one. If you go to do a long nose nosegrind on a round flatbar you are not going into it with a conscious decision of whether you're doing a straight nose grind vs going a bit crooked once you are in it. Holding onto a long, truly straight nosegrind on a flat bar is crazy hard. Down a short handrail, you can get away with dead straight. Down a long one they are always a bit crooked though.
fs overcrooked needs to be taken seriously so the REAL fs nosegrind on rails becomes legit. Garret giner did fs nosegrind and fs overcrooked on flatbar, it's real
On a sloping bar thats long - a hand rail, straight on classic nose grind just doesn’t happen.. maybe on specific square or short rails it may be possible but generally ledges hubba and even flat bars it’s way more possible
It's an overkrook dude. The whole front nose grind is an old squabble from vert skaters bc front nosegrinds on vert are almost always crooked. The same with calling a cab a full cab. It's all old vert jargon they invented as they were inventing tricks. All those dudes went on to be legends so what they said was law. 35 years later people still don't stinkbug and people still call them frontside nosegrinds.
Everyone misses what you said, even yourself. everyone today claims fs nose grinds are suppose to be straight but we need to go back, NONE OF THE EARLY FS NOSE GRINDS WERE STRAIGHT!! GO LOOK THEY ARE ALL CROOKED. It’s literally what aloud them to pop back into the pool guys, they did it on purpose and they called it a nose grind. I also agree overcrook is the ideal name but we need to think logically, how is a trick invented and named in the 1980s going to have the “ crook “ term when the crook term wasn’t invented until the 90s? They would have needed a Time Machine.
I think the difference comes down entirely to intention. If you are intending to do a nosegrind and it drifts out, that's a nosegrind. If you are specifically trying to do a crooked grind then it's an overcrook - even if it looks exactly the same as that previous nosegrind.
This is really good point, cuz drifting into heelsode lock is for sure diff then heelside pinch although can be deceiving so gotta look for rotation over the bar and immediately pinching the lock. Great video man as always u kill it💪👏👏
Yes, it's harder to do a nosegrind. That's the point. Locking it in at an angle isn't a nosegrind. A nosegrind is a harder trick. It also bugs me when I see people say they did a bluntslide on a rail. If your wheels aren't sliding, it's not a bluntslide.
They might not name them out loud, but they still know what they are going to do before they do it. So they are naming them in their head, even if it's only through the process of visualising the trick.
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Trick naming prioritises more popular and common tricks and make names shorter. If every single Pro tweaks a bit the FS Nosegrind on a round rail, this became the default Nosegrind, same as a straight Nosegrind on a ledge. Whoever wants to call it FS Overcrook played too much THPS.
@@TheDylonCarter I partially agree, THPS was a good school for most people, including myself. But to translate it to the real world doesn't always work. In THPS a Bigspin is a Pop shove-it + 180, and you can do Frontside Indys 💀
@@TheDylonCarter Plus, THPS helped some real skaters to name tricks, but at the same time it became 100% the source of truth for those who don't skate, if you think about it 😅
Then you HAVE TO argue that crooked grinds just don't exist at all. They're all just tweaked Nosegrinds. You just decided that there is an arbitrary line without any reasoning.
@@juli7xxxxx I just said naming prioritises popular tricks, and now you say that one of the most popular tricks ever doesn't exist, the Crook hahah. I didn't draw any line buddy, I'm just explaining how Pros, tutorials and big media like Thrasher names tricks, apparently different from keyboard warriors hehe 😅
Imo I would call those over crooks on round rails cuz square rails you can absolutely do a nose grind. Colt Cannon did one that was fully balanced on a handrail.
the moment i realized fakie backside and nollie frontside are the same thing and the only difference is an arbitrary separation of stance is the last time i tried to gatekeep any skateboarding nomenclature, cause we are all idiots about this stuff. if one person is drawing with their dominant right hand, and another person replicates their drawing with their respective dominant left hand, we don't call one a 'upside down' drawing. in skateboarding, if it feels good and matches the intention you had in your head when you film it, thats it, no one can say shit. thats my ted talk eat grass nerds
Nollie and fakie are not related tho. Fakie is just rolling backwards and doing the exact same body rotation as regular. Like a half cab and back 180 are the same just rolling in diff directions. Nollie is exactly the same as regular except for when it comes to tricks like treflip, hardflip etc bc it’s just easier. But a nollie front 180 is the same as a regular front 180 just popped off the nose, same rotation.
ive never heard of someone trying to do a frontside overcrook on purpose on a rail. they are just doing a nose grind. a backside overvcrook on the other hand .... someone should just ask elijah what trick he was doing
I have on flatbars. Feels and looks like a different trick. Nosegrind feels like I’m in nose manny and overcrook feels like I did a lipslide then held a crook
The overcrook is almost only on ledge's imo since one can still straight on nosegrind … but on sloping handrails you cannot lock so you must angle to lock unless you Ollie over or something .. 8/10 the fs overcrook is a nose grind and as said the trick was created and named in the 80s and it’s called nosegrind. We should stay true to history. I don’t care about tony hawk pro skater names
Funny enough, my 5 year old and I watched this trick on the kinked rail and he instantly said nosegrind and I retorted with "it's a frontside overcrook" 😂😂
This is a great explanation of why the folksonomy of tricks is ambiguous. I think there's a distinction between the two tricks but it has more to do with intent and fine details like when the truck is pinched and for how long, and I'm not really going to downgrade, like, a crook on a ledge that sticks and gets momentarily un-pinched as a "nose grind" when it's clear the skater was trying to do a crook and functionally kept the board in the crook position the whole time. Similarly, I wouldn't call something a crook if the skater wasn't intending to do a crook, lands mostly straight and then his back foot drifts crook because of the pinch. Tricks done by humans in physical reality are not video games, and such details should probably really only count in like, Olympic scoring, lol.
Good talk. What about the nose blunt or front blunt on a rail thats more of a pop over noseslide or pop over back tail. Also, is it a blunt if you dont pop back over to the side you came from? We could go on for hours about this.
IMO there absolutely is such a thing as FS overcrooks. The Elijah clip is so obviously crooked. If you took a snapshot half way through the grind and asked someone that never saw it what it was I bet most would say it's a crooked grind. The only reason there's no FS overcrooks is because skateboarding is petty and has a bunch of unwritten stupid "rules" mostly so "real" skaters (the ones in the right clique) can feel superior. Think of it this way, if bs overcrooks are an actual trick, then fs overcrooks have to be an actual trick. It just makes sense.
Tricks are named by the first skaters to do them. In the early 80s what you just described is how they PURPOSEFULLY did what they named fs nose grinds because angling it aloud them to pop back into the pool. LOOK IT UP GUYS, ALL EARLY FS NOSEGRINDS ARE LIKE THIS. Also I agree overcrook is the perfect name but there is one problem, they invented this harder version in the early 80s a decade before the crook would be invented so they would have literally needed a Time Machine to name this an overcrook.
I think someone needs to have an ender on a big ass rail. Do a very straight, obvious nose grind. Then, come back and do an overcrook on the same big ass rail.
That was 100% overcook. As soon as he contacted his truck he swung it over into the overcook. I used to do them bs that same way on ledge, pop almost to nose grind and immediately twist it into over crook. Nose grind goes straight and people do them on rail also, that was a over crook without question. People who say you can't overcook a rail like that are actually just people who don't know how to do a nose grind but can pinch the overcrook. Nose grind is far harder on a longer rail than an overcrook because it's much less stable
One of the gatekeepers of skateboarding told me that a FS suski wasn’t a thing. If a bs suski is a thing, why not FS? I get that it’s named after the person that popularized it. But naming things only on one side and not the other is so arbitrary.
Fs Overcrooks definitely exist. Why does every other grind trick have a frontside and a backside version? They are different tricks, done different ways and one is harder than the other.
Suski grinds only have a backside version, and salad grinds only have a frontside version. Also, Bennet grinds and Barley grinds are just frontside and backside versions of the same trick. So no, not every other grind has a frontside and backside version.
@@oldgregg86. well, sorry to break it to you but they are in fact, just 5-0s. Fs 5-0s have a tendency to rotate frontside, especially when you're doing them on a tall hubba. And when you're ollieing into it, if you don't ollie far enough towards the ledge, you can compensate by pushing your back leg forward to catch it, and do it crooked accidentally very easily. BS 5-0s also have a tendency to rotate a little bit. Plus, both those tricks don't look cool enough for anyone to want to do intentionally. Maybe if some pro started doing them it'd be named after them, but until that catches on they're just 5-0s.
I’m surprised you fell for the arguing physics trap in this argument. You know tricks are simply named by the creators. Everything else is irrelevant to the conversation.
I'm sorry but if the nose of ur board is touching ur not doing a proper nosegrind either way, theres a reason we all learn crooks before balanced nosegrinds. If ur in the exact stance and lock of a backside crook but popped from otherside its a Fronside overcrook(OVER but same lock) I'm honestly lost at how this is even a conversation. So is a front feeble just a back smith, Is a salad the same as a 5.0. 😅😂
By all logic, a lipslide on a rail is not even a lipslide because it's not a ramp or ledge, there is no "lip". It's an over-boardslide. Elijah is clearly riding FRONTSIDE to the rail, ollieing OVER the top into a CROOK. If his board was perfectly parallel with the rail that would be a nosegrind. I've only seen 2-3 people straight nosegrind down a round rail in that last 30 years, one of them being Tyrone Olson. Anyways this is some nerd shit, go out and skateboard.
If fs overcrooks don't exist because people are drawing arbitrary lines, that means there are only 3 grinds. 50-50, Nosegrind and 5-0. Everything else is just a tweaked variation of those 3 because now I drew some arbitrary lines.
If fs Overcrooks aren't real then no crooked or overcrooks exists at all. They're all just tweaked Nosegrinds. If pinch and lock don't matter on fs overcrooks they don't matter at all.
I feel like it also depends on the person doing the trick. If they were actively going for a FS overcrook then I would agree if they locked it in crooked
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The way I see it, a nosegrind is a nose manual where the front truck is grinding. A crook is a combination of a nosegrind and noseslide, much like a Smith grind is a combination of a 5-0 and lipslide
Regardless if it's "officially" right or wrong, personally for me an overcrook will always be an overcrook whether it's frontside or not. My logic being, we'd never call a salad grind or a Suski a 5-0, would we?
Counterpoint: Suskis only count backside and salads only count frontside. Following that logic overcrooks should only be backside cuz it’s also a “backwards facing” grind.
I don’t think it really matters and people will still say fs salad and bs suski and bs overcrook just to make sure you know it was the cooler looking and “more legit” version
@@possiblythatguy2304in my opinion, fs Suskis exist even less than fs nosegrinds. Much like nosegrinds, not only is it way easier to do a fs 5-0 crooked like that, but the trick is named after a real person who never did them frontside.
If someone says fs overcrook, I'm not gonna correct them. But fs Suski is just stupid.
Actually, a lot of people would say that a suski is only backside, and that a front suski is just a tweaked 5-0. It’s a similar argument.
I agree. I do this trick on flat bars. When I nose grind there is zero pinch, it is more like a nose manual where I grind. Front side over krooks absolutely agree. I think the opening clip was an over krook too man
backside crooked grind (heelside lock)
frontside crooked grind (toeside lock)
backside overcrook (toeside lock)
frontside overcrook (heelside lock)
its weird to me that people would claim it doesn't exist. it seems like it follows all the same rules that categorize other tricks. if its a little sideways and you had to get your back foot over the obstacle, call it an overcrook. if its pointing straight, call it a nosegrind, i say.
Everyone I've ever skated with considered it a trick. It's simply giving a name to a grind with a specific board/truck position on the rail. Just the same as every other grind. People be weird nowadays. 😂
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One thing I never hear brought up in this argument is that nosegrinds were invented before crooked grinds. And since the easier way to do fs nosegrinds on a round rail is to do them with your truck hanging over, people most likely did fs nosegrinds like this before crooked grinds were invented. So at the time, those would have just been called nosegrinds, since that's all that existed.
Anyone who skates for real knows there's no fs overcrook on rails
That's the thing. Commenters get very irate and adamant, but and then later in the comment admit they've never done one. If you go to do a long nose nosegrind on a round flatbar you are not going into it with a conscious decision of whether you're doing a straight nose grind vs going a bit crooked once you are in it. Holding onto a long, truly straight nosegrind on a flat bar is crazy hard. Down a short handrail, you can get away with dead straight. Down a long one they are always a bit crooked though.
Almost everything you see in pro videos nowadays are fs overcrooks. Fs nosegrind is just too hard for them to do on a rail.
It's purely about ego. They'd have to admit they can't FS nose grind. The argument is literally nose grinds are hard so people cheat.
fs overcrooked needs to be taken seriously so the REAL fs nosegrind on rails becomes legit. Garret giner did fs nosegrind and fs overcrooked on flatbar, it's real
On a sloping bar thats long - a hand rail, straight on classic nose grind just doesn’t happen.. maybe on specific square or short rails it may be possible but generally ledges hubba and even flat bars it’s way more possible
@user-vc6 who knows... If it's that hard, in the comming years, people might start to do those for mad respect and it might become trendy
lol you watch garret ginner. clown
It's an overkrook dude. The whole front nose grind is an old squabble from vert skaters bc front nosegrinds on vert are almost always crooked. The same with calling a cab a full cab. It's all old vert jargon they invented as they were inventing tricks. All those dudes went on to be legends so what they said was law. 35 years later people still don't stinkbug and people still call them frontside nosegrinds.
Until you see straight nosegrinds on rails, it's traditionally a nosegrind. Dumb argument.
Everyone misses what you said, even yourself.
everyone today claims fs nose grinds are suppose to be straight but we need to go back, NONE OF THE EARLY FS NOSE GRINDS WERE STRAIGHT!! GO LOOK THEY ARE ALL CROOKED.
It’s literally what aloud them to pop back into the pool guys, they did it on purpose and they called it a nose grind.
I also agree overcrook is the ideal name but we need to think logically, how is a trick invented and named in the 1980s going to have the “ crook “ term when the crook term wasn’t invented until the 90s? They would have needed a Time Machine.
I think the difference comes down entirely to intention. If you are intending to do a nosegrind and it drifts out, that's a nosegrind. If you are specifically trying to do a crooked grind then it's an overcrook - even if it looks exactly the same as that previous nosegrind.
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This is really good point, cuz drifting into heelsode lock is for sure diff then heelside pinch although can be deceiving so gotta look for rotation over the bar and immediately pinching the lock. Great video man as always u kill it💪👏👏
Yes, it's harder to do a nosegrind. That's the point. Locking it in at an angle isn't a nosegrind. A nosegrind is a harder trick. It also bugs me when I see people say they did a bluntslide on a rail. If your wheels aren't sliding, it's not a bluntslide.
Agreed. Blunts need to be well.. blunt. If your board isn't pointing up at all, it's a fancy tailslide.
A lot of people I know who are good at skateboarding don't even name the tricks they land.
They might not name them out loud, but they still know what they are going to do before they do it. So they are naming them in their head, even if it's only through the process of visualising the trick.
Naw ppl know what trick they're doing 😂
I'm still trying to understand where you get the courage to jump on a hand rail at full speed.
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I think thats a very good analysis and i completely agree.
its all semantics, the angles are different. colt cannon does straight nosegrinds on rails
"Wheel locking" has never been a requirement.
need a trick history recurring series from you homie
Trick naming prioritises more popular and common tricks and make names shorter. If every single Pro tweaks a bit the FS Nosegrind on a round rail, this became the default Nosegrind, same as a straight Nosegrind on a ledge. Whoever wants to call it FS Overcrook played too much THPS.
Considering thps taught a whole generation tricks. Maybe they were right..
@@TheDylonCarter I partially agree, THPS was a good school for most people, including myself. But to translate it to the real world doesn't always work. In THPS a Bigspin is a Pop shove-it + 180, and you can do Frontside Indys 💀
@@TheDylonCarter Plus, THPS helped some real skaters to name tricks, but at the same time it became 100% the source of truth for those who don't skate, if you think about it 😅
Then you HAVE TO argue that crooked grinds just don't exist at all. They're all just tweaked Nosegrinds. You just decided that there is an arbitrary line without any reasoning.
@@juli7xxxxx I just said naming prioritises popular tricks, and now you say that one of the most popular tricks ever doesn't exist, the Crook hahah. I didn't draw any line buddy, I'm just explaining how Pros, tutorials and big media like Thrasher names tricks, apparently different from keyboard warriors hehe 😅
I still call them pointer grinds
haha I actually like the sound of over-pointer xD
Sounds like skate boardering should adopt the term near side and far side . Aggressive inline uses these terms.
Imo I would call those over crooks on round rails cuz square rails you can absolutely do a nose grind. Colt Cannon did one that was fully balanced on a handrail.
the moment i realized fakie backside and nollie frontside are the same thing and the only difference is an arbitrary separation of stance is the last time i tried to gatekeep any skateboarding nomenclature, cause we are all idiots about this stuff. if one person is drawing with their dominant right hand, and another person replicates their drawing with their respective dominant left hand, we don't call one a 'upside down' drawing. in skateboarding, if it feels good and matches the intention you had in your head when you film it, thats it, no one can say shit.
thats my ted talk eat grass nerds
FAKIE IS SWITCH NOLLIE!!!
@@mtgguiltfeeder4111I can support that
Nollie and fakie are not related tho. Fakie is just rolling backwards and doing the exact same body rotation as regular. Like a half cab and back 180 are the same just rolling in diff directions. Nollie is exactly the same as regular except for when it comes to tricks like treflip, hardflip etc bc it’s just easier. But a nollie front 180 is the same as a regular front 180 just popped off the nose, same rotation.
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Great analysis
This was a great discussion about this
I had to click the video and chime in because the thumbnail is a backside overcrook and I just wanted to make sure yall aren't drunk. lol
ive never heard of someone trying to do a frontside overcrook on purpose on a rail. they are just doing a nose grind. a backside overvcrook on the other hand .... someone should just ask elijah what trick he was doing
I have on flatbars. Feels and looks like a different trick. Nosegrind feels like I’m in nose manny and overcrook feels like I did a lipslide then held a crook
The overcrook is almost only on ledge's imo since one can still straight on nosegrind … but on sloping handrails you cannot lock so you must angle to lock unless you Ollie over or something .. 8/10 the fs overcrook is a nose grind and as said the trick was created and named in the 80s and it’s called nosegrind. We should stay true to history. I don’t care about tony hawk pro skater names
toe lock nose grind looks sick tho
So in short, a real FS Overcrook needs to look like a FS Noseblunt Slide, but the front truck is still grinding, not sliding.
Funny enough, my 5 year old and I watched this trick on the kinked rail and he instantly said nosegrind and I retorted with "it's a frontside overcrook" 😂😂
This is a great explanation of why the folksonomy of tricks is ambiguous. I think there's a distinction between the two tricks but it has more to do with intent and fine details like when the truck is pinched and for how long, and I'm not really going to downgrade, like, a crook on a ledge that sticks and gets momentarily un-pinched as a "nose grind" when it's clear the skater was trying to do a crook and functionally kept the board in the crook position the whole time. Similarly, I wouldn't call something a crook if the skater wasn't intending to do a crook, lands mostly straight and then his back foot drifts crook because of the pinch. Tricks done by humans in physical reality are not video games, and such details should probably really only count in like, Olympic scoring, lol.
Good talk. What about the nose blunt or front blunt on a rail thats more of a pop over noseslide or pop over back tail. Also, is it a blunt if you dont pop back over to the side you came from? We could go on for hours about this.
IMO there absolutely is such a thing as FS overcrooks. The Elijah clip is so obviously crooked. If you took a snapshot half way through the grind and asked someone that never saw it what it was I bet most would say it's a crooked grind. The only reason there's no FS overcrooks is because skateboarding is petty and has a bunch of unwritten stupid "rules" mostly so "real" skaters (the ones in the right clique) can feel superior. Think of it this way, if bs overcrooks are an actual trick, then fs overcrooks have to be an actual trick. It just makes sense.
Tricks are named by the first skaters to do them. In the early 80s what you just described is how they PURPOSEFULLY did what they named fs nose grinds because angling it aloud them to pop back into the pool.
LOOK IT UP GUYS, ALL EARLY FS NOSEGRINDS ARE LIKE THIS.
Also I agree overcrook is the perfect name but there is one problem, they invented this harder version in the early 80s a decade before the crook would be invented so they would have literally needed a Time Machine to name this an overcrook.
No. There are plenty of one directional tricks. Suski grind is not a salad right ? A bennet is not a barley right. 🧐
I think someone needs to have an ender on a big ass rail. Do a very straight, obvious nose grind. Then, come back and do an overcrook on the same big ass rail.
Call that a nose salad grind on a ledge ha
That was 100% overcook. As soon as he contacted his truck he swung it over into the overcook. I used to do them bs that same way on ledge, pop almost to nose grind and immediately twist it into over crook. Nose grind goes straight and people do them on rail also, that was a over crook without question. People who say you can't overcook a rail like that are actually just people who don't know how to do a nose grind but can pinch the overcrook. Nose grind is far harder on a longer rail than an overcrook because it's much less stable
One of the gatekeepers of skateboarding told me that a FS suski wasn’t a thing. If a bs suski is a thing, why not FS? I get that it’s named after the person that popularized it. But naming things only on one side and not the other is so arbitrary.
Try and do a front or back nose grind straight on a round rail…. And that’s why 🙃
Great video and explains it well
Really enjoyable video as always 👌
Ppl could say krooked nose grind
the elephant in the room: why do they still call it the other way for backside?
Fs Overcrooks definitely exist.
Why does every other grind trick have a frontside and a backside version?
They are different tricks, done different ways and one is harder than the other.
Suski grinds only have a backside version, and salad grinds only have a frontside version. Also, Bennet grinds and Barley grinds are just frontside and backside versions of the same trick.
So no, not every other grind has a frontside and backside version.
@JustinBA007 so what would you call a fs suski or bs salad then? Because they aren't 5-0s if they aren't parallel.
@@oldgregg86. well, sorry to break it to you but they are in fact, just 5-0s. Fs 5-0s have a tendency to rotate frontside, especially when you're doing them on a tall hubba. And when you're ollieing into it, if you don't ollie far enough towards the ledge, you can compensate by pushing your back leg forward to catch it, and do it crooked accidentally very easily. BS 5-0s also have a tendency to rotate a little bit.
Plus, both those tricks don't look cool enough for anyone to want to do intentionally. Maybe if some pro started doing them it'd be named after them, but until that catches on they're just 5-0s.
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They have always existed to me
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Yeah but then wouldn't a front noseblunt be a frontside over noseslide?
The double sided ledge ones make sense though, I agree with calling them ollie over to krook
Skateboarding has become over-crook
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We gotta get more questions from you like before. And oh what do you think about the skate 4 coming out
They do
An overcrook is a nosegrind on a rail.
Why don’t frontside nose grinds exist?
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If you think overcrooks exist then you probably don’t do front nosegrinds….. a perfectly straight front nosegrind is basically impossible
First one to explain it well dang i get it now
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You can’t overcrook a ledge, and you can’t nose grind a rail. It’s not rocket science
I'm a square rail and I disagree.
They do exist only an idiot will say they dont
I’m surprised you fell for the arguing physics trap in this argument. You know tricks are simply named by the creators.
Everything else is irrelevant to the conversation.
So tired of seeing this debate…. In tony hawk pro skater theres fs nosegrind and fs overcrook. Debate settled because tony hawk said so🤘🏽
jus sk8. STOP!
Because overcrook
I'm sorry but if the nose of ur board is touching ur not doing a proper nosegrind either way, theres a reason we all learn crooks before balanced nosegrinds. If ur in the exact stance and lock of a backside crook but popped from otherside its a Fronside overcrook(OVER but same lock) I'm honestly lost at how this is even a conversation. So is a front feeble just a back smith, Is a salad the same as a 5.0. 😅😂
Find me a Thrasher or Transworld that ever had a caption of a guy doing a backside overkrook.
By all logic, a lipslide on a rail is not even a lipslide because it's not a ramp or ledge, there is no "lip". It's an over-boardslide. Elijah is clearly riding FRONTSIDE to the rail, ollieing OVER the top into a CROOK. If his board was perfectly parallel with the rail that would be a nosegrind. I've only seen 2-3 people straight nosegrind down a round rail in that last 30 years, one of them being Tyrone Olson. Anyways this is some nerd shit, go out and skateboard.
Now try naming a cab back lip on a rail versus nollie one. Things get bizzare if you want to get pedantic.
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In reality it’s a lipcrook lol
If fs overcrooks don't exist because people are drawing arbitrary lines, that means there are only 3 grinds. 50-50, Nosegrind and 5-0. Everything else is just a tweaked variation of those 3 because now I drew some arbitrary lines.
Maybe because it would be impossible?
did you even watch the video?
DUDE. If you play the clip in reverse he is doing a switch suski grind up the handrail, so OBVIOUSLY..... j/k front overcrooks aren't real 😂
If fs Overcrooks aren't real then no crooked or overcrooks exists at all. They're all just tweaked Nosegrinds. If pinch and lock don't matter on fs overcrooks they don't matter at all.
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I feel like it also depends on the person doing the trick. If they were actively going for a FS overcrook then I would agree if they locked it in crooked