I think the difference comes down entirely to intention. If you are intending to do a nosegrind and it drifts out, that's a nosegrind. If you are specifically trying to do a crooked grind then it's an overcrook - even if it looks exactly the same as that previous nosegrind.
They might not name them out loud, but they still know what they are going to do before they do it. So they are naming them in their head, even if it's only through the process of visualising the trick.
I agree. I do this trick on flat bars. When I nose grind there is zero pinch, it is more like a nose manual where I grind. Front side over krooks absolutely agree. I think the opening clip was an over krook too man
Yes, it's harder to do a nosegrind. That's the point. Locking it in at an angle isn't a nosegrind. A nosegrind is a harder trick. It also bugs me when I see people say they did a bluntslide on a rail. If your wheels aren't sliding, it's not a bluntslide.
IMO there absolutely is such a thing as FS overcrooks. The Elijah clip is so obviously crooked. If you took a snapshot half way through the grind and asked someone that never saw it what it was I bet most would say it's a crooked grind. The only reason there's no FS overcrooks is because skateboarding is petty and has a bunch of unwritten stupid "rules" mostly so "real" skaters (the ones in the right clique) can feel superior. Think of it this way, if bs overcrooks are an actual trick, then fs overcrooks have to be an actual trick. It just makes sense.
Regardless if it's "officially" right or wrong, personally for me an overcrook will always be an overcrook whether it's frontside or not. My logic being, we'd never call a salad grind or a Suski a 5-0, would we?
Counterpoint: Suskis only count backside and salads only count frontside. Following that logic overcrooks should only be backside cuz it’s also a “backwards facing” grind. I don’t think it really matters and people will still say fs salad and bs suski and bs overcrook just to make sure you know it was the cooler looking and “more legit” version
It's an overkrook dude. The whole front nose grind is an old squabble from vert skaters bc front nosegrinds on vert are almost always crooked. The same with calling a cab a full cab. It's all old vert jargon they invented as they were inventing tricks. All those dudes went on to be legends so what they said was law. 35 years later people still don't stinkbug and people still call them frontside nosegrinds.
This is a great explanation of why the folksonomy of tricks is ambiguous. I think there's a distinction between the two tricks but it has more to do with intent and fine details like when the truck is pinched and for how long, and I'm not really going to downgrade, like, a crook on a ledge that sticks and gets momentarily un-pinched as a "nose grind" when it's clear the skater was trying to do a crook and functionally kept the board in the crook position the whole time. Similarly, I wouldn't call something a crook if the skater wasn't intending to do a crook, lands mostly straight and then his back foot drifts crook because of the pinch. Tricks done by humans in physical reality are not video games, and such details should probably really only count in like, Olympic scoring, lol.
the moment i realized fakie backside and nollie frontside are the same thing and the only difference is an arbitrary separation of stance is the last time i tried to gatekeep any skateboarding nomenclature, cause we are all idiots about this stuff. if one person is drawing with their dominant right hand, and another person replicates their drawing with their respective dominant left hand, we don't call one a 'upside down' drawing. in skateboarding, if it feels good and matches the intention you had in your head when you film it, thats it, no one can say shit. thats my ted talk eat grass nerds
Trick naming prioritises more popular and common tricks and make names shorter. If every single Pro tweaks a bit the FS Nosegrind on a round rail, this became the default Nosegrind, same as a straight Nosegrind on a ledge. Whoever wants to call it FS Overcrook played too much THPS.
@@TheDylonCarter I partially agree, THPS was a good school for most people, including myself. But to translate it to the real world doesn't always work. In THPS a Bigspin is a Pop shove-it + 180, and you can do Frontside Indys 💀
@@TheDylonCarter Plus, THPS helped some real skaters to name tricks, but at the same time it became 100% the source of truth for those who don't skate, if you think about it 😅
Funny enough, my 5 year old and I watched this trick on the kinked rail and he instantly said nosegrind and I retorted with "it's a frontside overcrook" 😂😂
ive never heard of someone trying to do a frontside overcrook on purpose on a rail. they are just doing a nose grind. a backside overvcrook on the other hand .... someone should just ask elijah what trick he was doing
I have on flatbars. Feels and looks like a different trick. Nosegrind feels like I’m in nose manny and overcrook feels like I did a lipslide then held a crook
Fs Overcrooks definitely exist. Why does every other grind trick have a frontside and a backside version? They are different tricks, done different ways and one is harder than the other.
You the man, been watching for years, cheers dude.
I think the difference comes down entirely to intention. If you are intending to do a nosegrind and it drifts out, that's a nosegrind. If you are specifically trying to do a crooked grind then it's an overcrook - even if it looks exactly the same as that previous nosegrind.
A lot of people I know who are good at skateboarding don't even name the tricks they land.
They might not name them out loud, but they still know what they are going to do before they do it. So they are naming them in their head, even if it's only through the process of visualising the trick.
I agree. I do this trick on flat bars. When I nose grind there is zero pinch, it is more like a nose manual where I grind. Front side over krooks absolutely agree. I think the opening clip was an over krook too man
love videos like this
Yes, it's harder to do a nosegrind. That's the point. Locking it in at an angle isn't a nosegrind. A nosegrind is a harder trick. It also bugs me when I see people say they did a bluntslide on a rail. If your wheels aren't sliding, it's not a bluntslide.
Agreed. Blunts need to be well.. blunt. If your board isn't pointing up at all, it's a fancy tailslide.
IMO there absolutely is such a thing as FS overcrooks. The Elijah clip is so obviously crooked. If you took a snapshot half way through the grind and asked someone that never saw it what it was I bet most would say it's a crooked grind. The only reason there's no FS overcrooks is because skateboarding is petty and has a bunch of unwritten stupid "rules" mostly so "real" skaters (the ones in the right clique) can feel superior. Think of it this way, if bs overcrooks are an actual trick, then fs overcrooks have to be an actual trick. It just makes sense.
I think thats a very good analysis and i completely agree.
Regardless if it's "officially" right or wrong, personally for me an overcrook will always be an overcrook whether it's frontside or not. My logic being, we'd never call a salad grind or a Suski a 5-0, would we?
Counterpoint: Suskis only count backside and salads only count frontside. Following that logic overcrooks should only be backside cuz it’s also a “backwards facing” grind.
I don’t think it really matters and people will still say fs salad and bs suski and bs overcrook just to make sure you know it was the cooler looking and “more legit” version
It's an overkrook dude. The whole front nose grind is an old squabble from vert skaters bc front nosegrinds on vert are almost always crooked. The same with calling a cab a full cab. It's all old vert jargon they invented as they were inventing tricks. All those dudes went on to be legends so what they said was law. 35 years later people still don't stinkbug and people still call them frontside nosegrinds.
Until you see straight nosegrinds on rails, it's traditionally a nosegrind. Dumb argument.
Ty
Great analysis
This is a great explanation of why the folksonomy of tricks is ambiguous. I think there's a distinction between the two tricks but it has more to do with intent and fine details like when the truck is pinched and for how long, and I'm not really going to downgrade, like, a crook on a ledge that sticks and gets momentarily un-pinched as a "nose grind" when it's clear the skater was trying to do a crook and functionally kept the board in the crook position the whole time. Similarly, I wouldn't call something a crook if the skater wasn't intending to do a crook, lands mostly straight and then his back foot drifts crook because of the pinch. Tricks done by humans in physical reality are not video games, and such details should probably really only count in like, Olympic scoring, lol.
So in short, a real FS Overcrook needs to look like a FS Noseblunt Slide, but the front truck is still grinding, not sliding.
the moment i realized fakie backside and nollie frontside are the same thing and the only difference is an arbitrary separation of stance is the last time i tried to gatekeep any skateboarding nomenclature, cause we are all idiots about this stuff. if one person is drawing with their dominant right hand, and another person replicates their drawing with their respective dominant left hand, we don't call one a 'upside down' drawing. in skateboarding, if it feels good and matches the intention you had in your head when you film it, thats it, no one can say shit.
thats my ted talk eat grass nerds
Trick naming prioritises more popular and common tricks and make names shorter. If every single Pro tweaks a bit the FS Nosegrind on a round rail, this became the default Nosegrind, same as a straight Nosegrind on a ledge. Whoever wants to call it FS Overcrook played too much THPS.
Considering thps taught a whole generation tricks. Maybe they were right..
@@TheDylonCarter I partially agree, THPS was a good school for most people, including myself. But to translate it to the real world doesn't always work. In THPS a Bigspin is a Pop shove-it + 180, and you can do Frontside Indys 💀
@@TheDylonCarter Plus, THPS helped some real skaters to name tricks, but at the same time it became 100% the source of truth for those who don't skate, if you think about it 😅
I still call them pointer grinds
Great video and explains it well
Happy holidays to you and your family rad rat!!
I'm still trying to understand where you get the courage to jump on a hand rail at full speed.
Really enjoyable video as always 👌
An overcrook is a nosegrind on a rail.
Funny enough, my 5 year old and I watched this trick on the kinked rail and he instantly said nosegrind and I retorted with "it's a frontside overcrook" 😂😂
In reality it’s a lipcrook lol
ive never heard of someone trying to do a frontside overcrook on purpose on a rail. they are just doing a nose grind. a backside overvcrook on the other hand .... someone should just ask elijah what trick he was doing
I have on flatbars. Feels and looks like a different trick. Nosegrind feels like I’m in nose manny and overcrook feels like I did a lipslide then held a crook
Elijah Berle for soty
First one to explain it well dang i get it now
DUDE. If you play the clip in reverse he is doing a switch suski grind up the handrail, so OBVIOUSLY..... j/k front overcrooks aren't real 😂
You can’t overcrook a ledge, and you can’t nose grind a rail. It’s not rocket science
I'm a square rail and I disagree.
Because overcrook
Maybe because it would be impossible?
did you even watch the video?
Fs Overcrooks definitely exist.
Why does every other grind trick have a frontside and a backside version?
They are different tricks, done different ways and one is harder than the other.