Why Don't Frontside Overcrooks Exist?

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  • @karlm127
    @karlm127 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    You the man, been watching for years, cheers dude.

  • @seanylewl
    @seanylewl 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think the difference comes down entirely to intention. If you are intending to do a nosegrind and it drifts out, that's a nosegrind. If you are specifically trying to do a crooked grind then it's an overcrook - even if it looks exactly the same as that previous nosegrind.

  • @h8_mE
    @h8_mE 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

    A lot of people I know who are good at skateboarding don't even name the tricks they land.

    • @seanylewl
      @seanylewl 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      They might not name them out loud, but they still know what they are going to do before they do it. So they are naming them in their head, even if it's only through the process of visualising the trick.

  • @CommonSense970
    @CommonSense970 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I agree. I do this trick on flat bars. When I nose grind there is zero pinch, it is more like a nose manual where I grind. Front side over krooks absolutely agree. I think the opening clip was an over krook too man

  • @non_brewed_condiment
    @non_brewed_condiment 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    love videos like this

  • @joshwilliams7692
    @joshwilliams7692 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

    Yes, it's harder to do a nosegrind. That's the point. Locking it in at an angle isn't a nosegrind. A nosegrind is a harder trick. It also bugs me when I see people say they did a bluntslide on a rail. If your wheels aren't sliding, it's not a bluntslide.

    • @TheDylonCarter
      @TheDylonCarter 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Agreed. Blunts need to be well.. blunt. If your board isn't pointing up at all, it's a fancy tailslide.

  • @joshuaciccoricco2947
    @joshuaciccoricco2947 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    IMO there absolutely is such a thing as FS overcrooks. The Elijah clip is so obviously crooked. If you took a snapshot half way through the grind and asked someone that never saw it what it was I bet most would say it's a crooked grind. The only reason there's no FS overcrooks is because skateboarding is petty and has a bunch of unwritten stupid "rules" mostly so "real" skaters (the ones in the right clique) can feel superior. Think of it this way, if bs overcrooks are an actual trick, then fs overcrooks have to be an actual trick. It just makes sense.

  • @florianschafer9995
    @florianschafer9995 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think thats a very good analysis and i completely agree.

  • @flyingferron
    @flyingferron 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    Regardless if it's "officially" right or wrong, personally for me an overcrook will always be an overcrook whether it's frontside or not. My logic being, we'd never call a salad grind or a Suski a 5-0, would we?

    • @possiblythatguy2304
      @possiblythatguy2304 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Counterpoint: Suskis only count backside and salads only count frontside. Following that logic overcrooks should only be backside cuz it’s also a “backwards facing” grind.
      I don’t think it really matters and people will still say fs salad and bs suski and bs overcrook just to make sure you know it was the cooler looking and “more legit” version

  • @TheDylonCarter
    @TheDylonCarter 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    It's an overkrook dude. The whole front nose grind is an old squabble from vert skaters bc front nosegrinds on vert are almost always crooked. The same with calling a cab a full cab. It's all old vert jargon they invented as they were inventing tricks. All those dudes went on to be legends so what they said was law. 35 years later people still don't stinkbug and people still call them frontside nosegrinds.

    • @williamgass9242
      @williamgass9242 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Until you see straight nosegrinds on rails, it's traditionally a nosegrind. Dumb argument.

  • @thekinghasbeenslain
    @thekinghasbeenslain 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Ty

  • @ryanrowe1975
    @ryanrowe1975 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Great analysis

  • @TehAwesomer
    @TehAwesomer 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    This is a great explanation of why the folksonomy of tricks is ambiguous. I think there's a distinction between the two tricks but it has more to do with intent and fine details like when the truck is pinched and for how long, and I'm not really going to downgrade, like, a crook on a ledge that sticks and gets momentarily un-pinched as a "nose grind" when it's clear the skater was trying to do a crook and functionally kept the board in the crook position the whole time. Similarly, I wouldn't call something a crook if the skater wasn't intending to do a crook, lands mostly straight and then his back foot drifts crook because of the pinch. Tricks done by humans in physical reality are not video games, and such details should probably really only count in like, Olympic scoring, lol.

  • @_mazarico_
    @_mazarico_ 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    So in short, a real FS Overcrook needs to look like a FS Noseblunt Slide, but the front truck is still grinding, not sliding.

  • @offtheline-x8w
    @offtheline-x8w 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    the moment i realized fakie backside and nollie frontside are the same thing and the only difference is an arbitrary separation of stance is the last time i tried to gatekeep any skateboarding nomenclature, cause we are all idiots about this stuff. if one person is drawing with their dominant right hand, and another person replicates their drawing with their respective dominant left hand, we don't call one a 'upside down' drawing. in skateboarding, if it feels good and matches the intention you had in your head when you film it, thats it, no one can say shit.
    thats my ted talk eat grass nerds

  • @igomk
    @igomk 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    Trick naming prioritises more popular and common tricks and make names shorter. If every single Pro tweaks a bit the FS Nosegrind on a round rail, this became the default Nosegrind, same as a straight Nosegrind on a ledge. Whoever wants to call it FS Overcrook played too much THPS.

    • @TheDylonCarter
      @TheDylonCarter 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Considering thps taught a whole generation tricks. Maybe they were right..

    • @igomk
      @igomk 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@TheDylonCarter I partially agree, THPS was a good school for most people, including myself. But to translate it to the real world doesn't always work. In THPS a Bigspin is a Pop shove-it + 180, and you can do Frontside Indys 💀

    • @igomk
      @igomk 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@TheDylonCarter Plus, THPS helped some real skaters to name tricks, but at the same time it became 100% the source of truth for those who don't skate, if you think about it 😅

  • @STdoubleDs
    @STdoubleDs 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I still call them pointer grinds

  • @_jase
    @_jase 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Great video and explains it well

  • @birdinonehand
    @birdinonehand 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Happy holidays to you and your family rad rat!!

  • @BaldingSasquatch
    @BaldingSasquatch 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I'm still trying to understand where you get the courage to jump on a hand rail at full speed.

  • @iamnotanumber100
    @iamnotanumber100 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Really enjoyable video as always 👌

  • @williamgass9242
    @williamgass9242 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    An overcrook is a nosegrind on a rail.

  • @mattodude237
    @mattodude237 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Funny enough, my 5 year old and I watched this trick on the kinked rail and he instantly said nosegrind and I retorted with "it's a frontside overcrook" 😂😂

  • @dolphinitely_bro3944
    @dolphinitely_bro3944 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    In reality it’s a lipcrook lol

  • @clyde19788
    @clyde19788 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    ive never heard of someone trying to do a frontside overcrook on purpose on a rail. they are just doing a nose grind. a backside overvcrook on the other hand .... someone should just ask elijah what trick he was doing

    • @jebb360
      @jebb360 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I have on flatbars. Feels and looks like a different trick. Nosegrind feels like I’m in nose manny and overcrook feels like I did a lipslide then held a crook

  • @Jblizzybaby
    @Jblizzybaby 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Elijah Berle for soty

  • @Waggles72
    @Waggles72 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    First one to explain it well dang i get it now

  • @Mike-zd9vk
    @Mike-zd9vk 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    DUDE. If you play the clip in reverse he is doing a switch suski grind up the handrail, so OBVIOUSLY..... j/k front overcrooks aren't real 😂

  • @BIMONLAKI
    @BIMONLAKI 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    You can’t overcrook a ledge, and you can’t nose grind a rail. It’s not rocket science

    • @johndenton4008
      @johndenton4008 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I'm a square rail and I disagree.

  • @dolphinitely_bro3944
    @dolphinitely_bro3944 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Because overcrook

  • @larrymantic2635
    @larrymantic2635 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Maybe because it would be impossible?

    • @austinjim9082
      @austinjim9082 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      did you even watch the video?

  • @oldgregg86.
    @oldgregg86. 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Fs Overcrooks definitely exist.
    Why does every other grind trick have a frontside and a backside version?
    They are different tricks, done different ways and one is harder than the other.